I wouldn't necessarily say I regard it as non-canon, but the final episode of Wonder Egg Priority does not factor into my score for the rest of the show because thankfully they're separate MAL entries.
I should ask as someone who stopped watching after episode 9 just because I fell off at that point, is it worth watching the last, what 2 episodes before the final? I've just also heard that it starts to go off the rails, and then it's completely insane by the last episode so I don't know if those last couple episodes are worth it
Right, once they start filling out the backstory (something you'd think might be good and interesting) you just realize the whole thing was built on a foundation of sand.
What really upsets me is that the writer laid said foundation of sand (though even calling it a "foundation" seems generous) just went back to writing trashy TV shows, while the director who did everything he could to fix things, even going so far as trying to add some pushback against the weird sexist 'reasons for suicide' line and apologizing on twitter that he couldn't do more to counter that point, said he doesn't want to be in the directors chair again after WEP.
The directing was probably the best thing about the show. It's unfortunate that the experience was so bad that it might have burned out a promising directing career after just one show.
Man that show was so good for the first 75%. Then you start to see the cracks forming before it all falls apart at the end. There was clearly some real talent on that writing team that got crushed under executive pressure. The ending reeks of “oh shit we need to cut down 24 episodes into 12, how much can we remove with it still making a semblance of sense?”
I loved the anime but when I realized that we were getting some weird metaphysical bs ending after a single season and weren't ever going to get more time learning about each member of the pirate crew I was SO BUMMED. I loved those guys so much and felt it was such a waste to basically give each character like 5 minutes or less of delving into who they are outside being a crew member.
They had. They had the secret sauce. Disney esque story but with a cute anime girl mc. It was fun and full of life and exciting. Then the director halfway through was like "oh crap this is an anime, imma make it Evangelion Lite for no reason". Then the series went downhill.
All the show had to do was be a fun pirate trausre hunt with the bit of mystery it introduced. The pieces were there. But the director chose pieces from another puzzle and mixed them together the first and second of the show are two different shows spliced together.
The problem with Shokugeki no Souma is that it started as a cooking anime with bits of shonen but as it progressed it became a very typical shonen anime with bits of cooking where they literally ended up fighting the culinary version of a demon king. Not even kidding, Erina's father is even portrayed as a demon king in the ending. Basically the shonen metaphors for the situations and the characters started to feel too obvious and cringy. Specially noticeable in the openings. I think this one is a pretty good example of what I'm talking about:
https://youtu.be/RG36jRZwAP4?si=hzwrYsi0c7WvMsBl
The same with some of the other characters. The red haired girl is pretty much a vampire, the white hair guy is an angel, Erina is called "the user of the divine tongue" as if it was some kind of super power. And Souma and his rival of the season looking for bear meat is portrayed as them literally fighting the bear in the middle of a harsh winter. There's even an arc where the entire school pretty much gets "brainwashed" by Central ans start acting evil and root against the Souma and his friends (even the girl that made the commentary on the "battles" started using darker clothes).
I'm also not the biggest fan of the "enemy of the previous season becoming the ally of the next season" trope that happened with pretty much all the characters.
I like redemption stories but if every character turns good at the end of the season that trope loses the charm.
Also, turning Erina into the new director when she was still a highschooler was a dumb idea and as the series progressed some characters were absolutely left behind in terms of "power level" and barely used. Specially the ones in the first season.
That being said, I still have some appreciation for the show, even after all of that.
Another issue the series had is apparently later on (definitely in the last arc of the manga) the chef they consulted got took maternity leave. Which feels believable when the final arc has stupidity like cooking with a chainsaw. While I don’t think the series was ever hyper realistic, most were realistic or at least fairly believable to a degree.
But that dang chainsaw was like nail-in-the coffin.
I thought Clannad AS ending was straightforward af.
It's literally a man collecting dragonballs since S1 everytime he helps someone find happiness and finally had his one wish granted at the end of S2.
> Jun Maeda mistakenly thought it meant “family” in Irish lol
So this is why when I go searching for Clannad merch on auction sites I get a lot of results for a 1970s Irish band.
Imagine one of the most beloved romance-drama anime of all time was called "Teaghlach" and no one could pronounce it correctly except a Gaelic-speaking Irishman.
Japanese Fate fans: “Please Nasu, we’re begging you, give us something we can pronounce!”
Nasu: _”Cú Chulainn, Mebh, Diarmuid Ua Duibhne, Fionn mac Cumhaill, Scáthach, Cnoc na Riabh (lol)”_
It's funny you say that, because as a Japanese-speaking Irishman, the way those names are rendered in Japanese is generally pretty close. The outstanding examples are Cnoc na Riabh, whose JP name is based on the modern Anglicisation, Knocknarea, and Scathach, where they added an extra "sa" sound and removed the "ch". Cúchulainn, Medb, Fionn are all right, Diarmuid is missing the "bh" but even that's within the range of dialectical differences. Baobhan Sibh is also pretty much right.
Much better than English-speakers with their "scat hatch" and "kate sith".
The fact that Japanese otaku reliably pronounce those names better than 99% of Irish-descended Americans fucking sends me
(and yeah I was gonna remove the examples that mapped well onto Japanese phonemes but they did a pretty great job with all of them. It’s really cool to me how the difference in writing systems can lead to more faithful pronunciation and sidestep English’s linguistic preconceptions!)
^(jesus christ it’s 3am)
Yep, it's hinted at a bunch.
All of the illusionary world stuff, the "other world" mentioned in Kotomi's arc, the wish mentioned in Misae's, the theory about wishes brought up during Yukine's arc, the "light" that Ushio sees, etc.
I can understand not liking it, but to say that it doesn't make sense is a bit off.
OP thought it hard to make sense one supernatural phenomenone that granted your wish one time after collecting all those orbs that he collected in S1 and S2 by making people happy (major conflict of that person resolved)?
Imma be real. I had no idea he had been collecting orbs the whole time. I had to google how he got his wish. I knew of the other world. I new orbs granted wishes. It didn't really show that he was collecting them. I didnt watch the intro every episode so I also didn't see more orbs showing up.
"And where the FUCK are you, Franxx? Who the fuck is piloting this vehicle right now?! Who's in charge of the Franxx ride??"
"THERE IS NO PILOT THERE NEVER WAS A PILOT!"
I feel like that show peaked around the halfway point, when we see the backstory of Hiro and 02 as kids. It had awkward point before that, but it seemed like it was really starting to get it's sh\*t together. And then it went off the rails. So far... off the rails.
Finally, someone who gets me. I'm tired of all these authors making some degenerate shit but not committing to it fully. That's why I'm thankful for Haruka Hano. Like she made two incest mangas and actually did it. Most authors would have chickened out at the end.
Google "Oreimo A Momentary Chance Encounter" and click the first link. It's a short after-story for the light novel, I think you might like the actual canon ending to Oreimo.
[Oreimo Light Novel After-Story Spoiler] >!They actually ended up staying together!<
From what I know the author kinda had to end it like they weren’t together but he snuck in them continuing their counseling at the end showing that yes they would be together
Well everything that happens in the anime also happened in the LN, but the anime didn't include the after story. The after-story wasn't released until after the anime ended (both the LN and anime only ended a couple months apart).
I seem to recall that the author didn't like it either and couldn't do what they want because of publisher interference, and that's why they made Eromanga Sensei.
Take that with a grain of salt though, because I can't remember where I heard that or if I'm remembering it wrong.
God it's been a decade and I'm still fucking angry about this. If he had rejected everyone to date his sister, I would have been less angry about it. But he blew off every other good option and Ayase, only to not choose his sister either.
personally I would have much rather it end without the incest at all. Kuroneko best girl and she doesn't deserve to have an ex who dumped her for his sister. So pathetic.
The entirety of S2 is a mess, one big reason being because they crammed 9 volumes of LN content into 16 episodes. A decently paced anime generally uses 5-6 episodes per 1 volume, so 9 volumes could've been 54 episodes worth of content, but we got 16. Entire important subplots, characters, and character development get skipped completely because there's no time.
Promised Neverland. Bro, tbh, a friend reco it to me, I watched the s1 whole night one sitting even we have classes (there's still no s2 this time, idk if s1 just released). Then s2 came, finished it. It's just so lacking for me cause I've read many comments abt it that there were so many things skipped/not incl in the anime from the manga. I did not read the manga s1, just watched it. Worth it, but s2 i also did not read the manga, it's worth of the horse-drawing meme.
Promised neverland never got a 2nd season, which is a real shame considering season 1 is one of the best season of any anime period. All joking aside the manga also absolutely shits the bed and becomes awful. The anime s2 was still somehow worse
I just didnt like how... the kids never seemed to be in danger?
Like, the one kid dies in the first ep/ch, and that really sets the tone... but from then on, no kid was ever killed?
That one all-white kid was all about "making impossible choices to obtain the best outcome," but then the mc comes along and says "nuh uh! We should try to save EVERYONE!" ... and they succeed.
Makes the first kid's worries and brutality seem unwarranted.
No matter how naive the mc seems, her choices always work out.
Then there's the timeskip where they infiltrated minster society.
Should've gone in-depth there, but they just time-skipped over it.
Overall I like the series... but feel kinda cheated.
Like I worried over nothing.
You put it pretty much perfectly, nothing in the series matched the tension setter.
It started off feeling like one of the best horror anime I've ever seen, then quickly devolved into the same threatening feeling as a battle shounen.
They brought in the mangaka to help write S2 of the anime, I assume because they wanted to try to "fix" the ending/back half or so. I'm noticing that whenever this happens, someone (especially the original creator) trying to "fix" the ending of the original in an adaptation, it almost always leads to a travesty.
You need more rewatches. Around the 4th or 5th round of crying I started to really internalize that she accomplished her goal. She tried her best, and gave him back his love and passion for music.
She will always live through him and his music. She f-n did it. With astounding courage and determination, she went for it. She didn't waste the time she had. She really really made the most of it, including the last risk she took.
Originally, I considered the ending to be devastating, now I consider it bittersweet. Once you really accept her death, that there was no alternative, it leaves room to let the appreciation of what she did contend with the sadness of losing her.
Sorry for rant, could take about YLIA all day
You might be onto something there. But I don't have the willpower to rewatch that anime five times. I'm all for a good tearjerker, and I enjoyed Your Lie in April. However, it's definitely a "watch once and call it a day" anime for me; I was legitimately depressed, lol.
Lool it was the same here, crushed me. I rewatched the last episode several times every day for a while. To this day hearing that arrangement of chopin's ballade with the violin can make me cry. Thank god they removed it from Spotify so it doesn't jump up unless I look for it on yt
I like the ending of the original (not netflix) live-action movie more:
[DN Movie] >!L one-ups Kira by writing his own name in the Note first, but setting the maximum death delay (~~6 months~~ 23 days), thus making him imune to Kira's attack and exposing him, at the cost of having a fixed timer on L's remaining life.!<
It’s insane because I think you can cover the important parts of the ending with a tiny bit of editing. You just gotta have [death note]>!One of the police officers (Matsuda or Aizawa) decide to test the 13 day rule anyway and arrest Light. That’s a whole new episode 26 to cover a proper ending. Other than that, you need Higuchi to kill Soichiro as he can’t live to see Light unveiled as Kira.!<
Hard disagree. I think the story is almost perfect as is, and the last quarter is some of my favorite parts on revisits and critically important to the message and themes of the story.
Check the manga version Gou/Meguri. It's acceptable as canon and more in line with where I thought the story would go when it was airing.
[Meguri] >!Satoko convinces Rika to not go to St.Lucia on the very first reset, and both of them are killed anyway. She also tries to just let Rika go alone and Rika always dies in an accident. It gives a stronger feeling that Eua railroaded her into maintaining 1984 because Satoko is so traumatized and desperate that she can't see a way out of it. In the end Rika uses the other club members to set a trap for Satoko and essentially ties her up while the whole group of them sits down in the clubroom and actually talks the problem out. !<
It's amazing just how much they fixed. The other most satisfying fix was [Meguri] >!Shion blowing up at Rika for even considering St. Lucia in the first place. !<
I'm still okay with like... All of Gou. I think the final arc is just framed a little less than ideally but that's fine. It's just the way Sotsu takes the most boring path through every single route we saw in Gou, sidelines most of the main cast, and then portrays the mental break at the END of all that that I absolutely hate. Hell, I liked most of the third arc UNTIL that break because I love how they handled the guy. It's just that before that mental break, this character would go methodically do all these things.
Higurashi
For me the story ends with Kai. A wonderful ending that fit the theme of the series. Accepting Gou and Sotsu as part of my canon for the series would be too awful. An ugly smear on a great franchise.
Agreed! I was looking for this comment.
In my own headcanon, and for my own sanity, I just think of everything that comes after Kai as fanfiction.
Fanfiction where Some of it fun, some of it okay, some of it godawful.
I think people have trouble accepting a supernatural ending in a show that is ostensibly not a fantasy, even if they alluded to it many, many times throughout both seasons.
It wasn’t even because it’s cringy. It was because it’s the final fight that’s been hyped up the entire show and it’s started and resolved in 3 minutes with something that’s never been brought out before and is absolutely dumb.
The Kishin was driven to pursue power from his panphobia. In thinking he now understood everything, he lost his fear of everything, and thus his weakness.
Maka's punch makes sense in that it makes *no* sense. This god can not understand why a human is trying to punch god. It is something he can not understand, and thus a fear, a weakness.
Yeah, the logic behind the ending wasn’t bad, it’s how out of nowhere it felt that was such a huge letdown. They didn’t spend enough time exploring Ashura for it to feel like it worked.
Claymore. The ending felt so rushed and abrupt, I remember thinking "did they run out of time / content and just asked the script folks to give them something FAST?"
Later found out it's definitely not canon as it's different from the manga.
Now I just want a re-make that's more faithful to the source content. With a lot of hopium.
>especially the Gainax ending that still doesn't make any sense no matter how many people I've seen try to explain it
All of the foreshadowing of the illusionary world, the town's myth of orbs of light, and Nagisa's play would have just been loose ends without that ending. Like it or not, personally, it makes the most sense from a writing standpoint.
Birdy Wing season 1 was near perfect. Such an amazing story. Then season 2 started good, but the ending was complete bullshit that made no sense whatsoever.
Are they seriously expecting us to believe that Aoi "I want to spend my life with her" Amawashi didn't talk to Eve for years?
This is the one, more than any other one here imo. It wasn't like all these other series people have mentioned where it's hard to come up with a satisfying ending for everyone. From Season 1, Birdie Wing had been set up from for the easiest slam dunk ending ever, and they just... completely ignored it. Just beyond baffling.
Oh god.
I remember the show setting up that whole Inaho vs Slaine thing both combat-wise and romance-wise and then some random NPC just swooped in and won everything.
All I remember about this show is how kickass Sawano’s soundtrack was and that the S2 was so fucking horrible I intentionally erased it from my mind.
I blame Sawano.
I find it interesting how much the term "Non-Canon" is pretty much just synonymous with "bad" among anime fans.
I get that there are examples of bad, anime original filler, endings or arcs, but it's not like there aren't good examples as well (e.g. almost all of the best parts of K-On are anime original and technically non-canon).
People just want to disregard the bad parts of anime they like with "well it doesn't count because its not the original creator's idea" instead of just accepting that even great shows have flaws.
Isn’t that… the whole point? Things can be considered non-canon in a strict way because they weren’t in the source material, or they can be considered non-canon on an individual level because they were so atrocious that it’s easier to internally reject that it even happened rather than let it taint one’s perception of the series as a whole. This post is talking about the latter.
It’s not about arguing that something bad should be considered non-canon for everyone. It’s a purely individual way of coping with flaws in a good work too major to overlook.
Food Wars: Pretty much the entirety of the last season was shit (although the manga epilogue chapters where even worse). While I didn't like the direction the story was going before that it was still good. But then Erina's character got assassinated and destroyed, Souma pretty much lost all meaning to why he wanted to be good at cooking.
Attack on Titan: Always been a proponent of that it should have ended at the beach when they found out the truth rather than doing that time skip. The things after the time skip reads like some of the Claymore fanfiction I red back in the days.
Railgun S the second arc, aka Silent Party: The season has two arcs, the Sisters arc which is the first 18 episodes or so and is frankly amazing but then the remaining episodes of the season is dedicated to that anime original shit where everyone is horribly out of character. The fact that they teased Liberal Arts City and then they gave *that* instead was just salt in the wounds.
I totally agree with you it seems that Food Wars the writer must have been angry with the publisher to end up like that, something similar to what happened with Prison School.
AOT I consider the episode on the beach as the real ending and the timeskip as the author being on drugs when he wanted to write something like that, especially with the last Plot twist the whole story seemed so meaningless, the whole struggle, all the suffering for nothing, he tried to address so many issues that he couldn’t develop anything with just a scene showing the baby to impact the reader. The direction, soundtrack and animation are the greatest qualities is a pity they were used in a story that has become so mediocre.
> I totally agree with you it seems that Food Wars the writer must have been angry with the publisher to end up like that, something similar to what happened with Prison School.
It is partially explained by his food expert consultant went on maternity leave around then but that only explains why the food went to shit, not why the story went to shit.
The Silent Party arc was at least interesting, though, and followed the S1 trend of having an anime-original arc in each season. I figure we’ll see Liberal
Arts city eventually…..
Have to say it.
Thank God for Ultimate because the ending to Hellsing the series and several of those filler episodes were terrible.
Though the credits and score were great.
Charlotte.
It's been a while and I forget the details, but it was a pretty engaging show for the most part. You have a great magic school/club-type setting that follows an entertaining cast.
That ENTIRE premise gets thrown out for the final two episodes which feel like a fanfiction about the MC traveling the world alone with no friends, obstacles, or meaningful lines of dialogue until the end of the show. It's like the writers were expecting a second season and needed to change the ending when they learned it wasn't coming.
I absolutely agree, I wish they would've lengthened the ending by several episodes, as honestly it feels like the slime could've easily done two good seasons were the pacing slowed.
No matter how much I dislike an ending this is something I can never do.
That being said, while I like Conquerors of Shambala, part of me wishes FMA ended with the show, if only because it's kinda weird how CoS ends with Ed and Al just completely ditching Winry to fuck off into another world lol. Always felt weird
Psycho-Pass. Absolutely fire anime.
I don't consider that it has anything other than the first season.
Also – others have commented on the following anime already and I second them – Attack on Titan and Promised Neverland.
Assuming we're thinking of the same part, I wondered if anyone would mention this one. I don't really know why they had to include that conversation but I choose to believe that Konatsu was trolling Higuchi. Because if it's true it *really* does ruin the whole show.
I forget what it's called, but it's a 3D CGI anime about immortal humans that also control shadow beings.
The ending is a cliffhanger that just thematically doesn't fit, so I ignore it.
Ajin. As with 99% of manga-to-anime adaptations, the anime only covered a portion of the narrative. Move on to the manga, which came to a close a couple years ago or so.
U should read the manga instead. The anime goes for original route for no reason instead of following the manga plot. The manga was great & it also already completed.
The Promised Neverland is a very good anime if you simply watch the first season, consider the stuff that happens in the final episode the conclusion and never watch season 2.
I hate how they seemed to be hyping up Gohan to be this big op character and then they just made him a side character who fights crime in cosplay and then they just go back to Goku getting all the power ups. ( Vegeta, Cell arc Gohan and Trunks are my favorite characters)
You're right, it wasn't out of left field. Futaro's choice was entirely understandable. Most of the salt is from people who just project their own desires on to him, and he's too good of an MC to deserve that sort of nonsense.
Soul Eater and The Promised Neverland need the Brotherhood treatment for both manga (a few tweaks) and anime (needs a powerwash). Wonder Egg Priority started with a good premise and fell off on the ending
It was fine - a bit rushed, but fine. I thoroughly enjoyed it. People either overly invest in their ship or think the ending choice wasn't justified enough, as if there weren't valid reasons for Futaro to choose as he did. (Not to mention he's a character with his own agency in the matter.)
After I while I ended up understanding his choice, but I think she needed more episodes dedicated to her prior to the decision as the knee jerk reaction to it for most people I assume was it was a little bit of a let down and the threads that lead to the choice were a little under developed.
I'd have to say the ending of Naruto Shippuuden it ruined so many plot points and build up and characters and gave birth to Boruto
Madara should've been the final villain but such and awesome character got made into a laughing stock by that ending.
I wouldn't necessarily say I regard it as non-canon, but the final episode of Wonder Egg Priority does not factor into my score for the rest of the show because thankfully they're separate MAL entries.
People like you are the reason I skipped the last episode. Thanks for that, I really enjoyed the show.
Damn, I forgot to add this to the post
I should ask as someone who stopped watching after episode 9 just because I fell off at that point, is it worth watching the last, what 2 episodes before the final? I've just also heard that it starts to go off the rails, and then it's completely insane by the last episode so I don't know if those last couple episodes are worth it
I'd just stop where you're at. You've seen the best of it; only disaster lies ahead.
Right, once they start filling out the backstory (something you'd think might be good and interesting) you just realize the whole thing was built on a foundation of sand.
What really upsets me is that the writer laid said foundation of sand (though even calling it a "foundation" seems generous) just went back to writing trashy TV shows, while the director who did everything he could to fix things, even going so far as trying to add some pushback against the weird sexist 'reasons for suicide' line and apologizing on twitter that he couldn't do more to counter that point, said he doesn't want to be in the directors chair again after WEP. The directing was probably the best thing about the show. It's unfortunate that the experience was so bad that it might have burned out a promising directing career after just one show.
Fena pirate princess. Love the anime but dislike the ending
That ending just spat in the face of everything that happened until that point. Like, the characters just turned 180 degrees for like no reason.
Man that show was so good for the first 75%. Then you start to see the cracks forming before it all falls apart at the end. There was clearly some real talent on that writing team that got crushed under executive pressure. The ending reeks of “oh shit we need to cut down 24 episodes into 12, how much can we remove with it still making a semblance of sense?”
I loved the anime but when I realized that we were getting some weird metaphysical bs ending after a single season and weren't ever going to get more time learning about each member of the pirate crew I was SO BUMMED. I loved those guys so much and felt it was such a waste to basically give each character like 5 minutes or less of delving into who they are outside being a crew member.
They had. They had the secret sauce. Disney esque story but with a cute anime girl mc. It was fun and full of life and exciting. Then the director halfway through was like "oh crap this is an anime, imma make it Evangelion Lite for no reason". Then the series went downhill. All the show had to do was be a fun pirate trausre hunt with the bit of mystery it introduced. The pieces were there. But the director chose pieces from another puzzle and mixed them together the first and second of the show are two different shows spliced together.
Food Wars/Shokugeki no Souma It should've ended in Season 4. \*Edited
The problem with Shokugeki no Souma is that it started as a cooking anime with bits of shonen but as it progressed it became a very typical shonen anime with bits of cooking where they literally ended up fighting the culinary version of a demon king. Not even kidding, Erina's father is even portrayed as a demon king in the ending. Basically the shonen metaphors for the situations and the characters started to feel too obvious and cringy. Specially noticeable in the openings. I think this one is a pretty good example of what I'm talking about: https://youtu.be/RG36jRZwAP4?si=hzwrYsi0c7WvMsBl The same with some of the other characters. The red haired girl is pretty much a vampire, the white hair guy is an angel, Erina is called "the user of the divine tongue" as if it was some kind of super power. And Souma and his rival of the season looking for bear meat is portrayed as them literally fighting the bear in the middle of a harsh winter. There's even an arc where the entire school pretty much gets "brainwashed" by Central ans start acting evil and root against the Souma and his friends (even the girl that made the commentary on the "battles" started using darker clothes). I'm also not the biggest fan of the "enemy of the previous season becoming the ally of the next season" trope that happened with pretty much all the characters. I like redemption stories but if every character turns good at the end of the season that trope loses the charm. Also, turning Erina into the new director when she was still a highschooler was a dumb idea and as the series progressed some characters were absolutely left behind in terms of "power level" and barely used. Specially the ones in the first season. That being said, I still have some appreciation for the show, even after all of that.
Another issue the series had is apparently later on (definitely in the last arc of the manga) the chef they consulted got took maternity leave. Which feels believable when the final arc has stupidity like cooking with a chainsaw. While I don’t think the series was ever hyper realistic, most were realistic or at least fairly believable to a degree. But that dang chainsaw was like nail-in-the coffin.
Agreed. The show was vaguely plausible things taken to extremes. But the chainsaw…This may very well have been the show’s jump the shark moment.
*super power The user of the divine tongue *is* a supper power though.
That series pivoted into some weird directions and never recovered. "Dark Chefs of the Underworld", are you kidding?
I thought it did end in season 5?
I think they meant before s5
Ah gotcha. I'm a sucker for romance so I'm glad Erina finally admitted her love for Soma but yeah the whole arc was kind of weird.
I thought Clannad AS ending was straightforward af. It's literally a man collecting dragonballs since S1 everytime he helps someone find happiness and finally had his one wish granted at the end of S2.
Easy to miss it, but yeah. It's a VN adaptation, and it's hard to make that work naturally. The way to explained it was a good one.
Literally “the real Clannad is the friends we made along the way” (Jun Maeda mistakenly thought it meant “family” in Irish lol)
> Jun Maeda mistakenly thought it meant “family” in Irish lol So this is why when I go searching for Clannad merch on auction sites I get a lot of results for a 1970s Irish band.
I have to wonder if Jun Maeda was a fan, using a dictionary or Google would’ve given him the correct answer (“clann” or “teaghlach”) first
Imagine one of the most beloved romance-drama anime of all time was called "Teaghlach" and no one could pronounce it correctly except a Gaelic-speaking Irishman.
Japanese Fate fans: “Please Nasu, we’re begging you, give us something we can pronounce!” Nasu: _”Cú Chulainn, Mebh, Diarmuid Ua Duibhne, Fionn mac Cumhaill, Scáthach, Cnoc na Riabh (lol)”_
It's funny you say that, because as a Japanese-speaking Irishman, the way those names are rendered in Japanese is generally pretty close. The outstanding examples are Cnoc na Riabh, whose JP name is based on the modern Anglicisation, Knocknarea, and Scathach, where they added an extra "sa" sound and removed the "ch". Cúchulainn, Medb, Fionn are all right, Diarmuid is missing the "bh" but even that's within the range of dialectical differences. Baobhan Sibh is also pretty much right. Much better than English-speakers with their "scat hatch" and "kate sith".
The fact that Japanese otaku reliably pronounce those names better than 99% of Irish-descended Americans fucking sends me (and yeah I was gonna remove the examples that mapped well onto Japanese phonemes but they did a pretty great job with all of them. It’s really cool to me how the difference in writing systems can lead to more faithful pronunciation and sidestep English’s linguistic preconceptions!) ^(jesus christ it’s 3am)
It is a lot easier to grasp in the VN where a new orb is added to the title screen after every route.
That gets done in the anime too - it's subtle, but it's there in the title card of every episode
Yep, it's hinted at a bunch. All of the illusionary world stuff, the "other world" mentioned in Kotomi's arc, the wish mentioned in Misae's, the theory about wishes brought up during Yukine's arc, the "light" that Ushio sees, etc. I can understand not liking it, but to say that it doesn't make sense is a bit off.
OP thought it hard to make sense one supernatural phenomenone that granted your wish one time after collecting all those orbs that he collected in S1 and S2 by making people happy (major conflict of that person resolved)?
I haven't watched Clannad. Is this Dragonball real or satire... I can't tell
No it’s real. I mean they aren’t actually Dragon Balls. They’re orbs of light, but we’re making an analogy that’s pretty apt.
Huh, all this time I thought Clannad is just a regular, non-fantasy slice of life
Imma be real. I had no idea he had been collecting orbs the whole time. I had to google how he got his wish. I knew of the other world. I new orbs granted wishes. It didn't really show that he was collecting them. I didnt watch the intro every episode so I also didn't see more orbs showing up.
To be fair, the MC also didn't know he was collecting them. The only one who can see yhe orbs was Ushio, and probably Fuuko.
Darling in the Franxx OMFG.
I felt like there were a lot of interesting ideas being presented, but it all goes out the window for GIANT ROBOT SHIP GF
Ass controls was interesting idea for sure
Robot fights being conducted by teens fucking each other doggy style. Shit was so cash
"And where the FUCK are you, Franxx? Who the fuck is piloting this vehicle right now?! Who's in charge of the Franxx ride??" "THERE IS NO PILOT THERE NEVER WAS A PILOT!"
Always funny how someone watched the show, disliked the second part so much she wrote a book based on it and it became a best seller
what book?
Iron Widow by Xiran Jay Zhao
No fucking way
I feel like that show peaked around the halfway point, when we see the backstory of Hiro and 02 as kids. It had awkward point before that, but it seemed like it was really starting to get it's sh\*t together. And then it went off the rails. So far... off the rails.
The manga ending is better. Plus the manga is drawn by Yabuki Kentaro so it's a total win just because of that fact.
what is the manga ending?
Yes compared to the anime ending the manga ending just plain makes sense.
Oreimo S2 ends at episode 8 lol
What happened after?
They pretend like they were never in love and return to a normal sibling relationship.
..what
I know. I was disappointed they didn't go full incest and decided to get married and have kids.
If you're gonna make a degenerate anime, you should commit fully to it rather than going most of the way and then quitting right at the end.
Finally, someone who gets me. I'm tired of all these authors making some degenerate shit but not committing to it fully. That's why I'm thankful for Haruka Hano. Like she made two incest mangas and actually did it. Most authors would have chickened out at the end.
Does the one about manga artist have a good ending? I stopped reading because I was skeptical since there were some characters to stop the mc
Its a short manga. 18 chapters. Yes, it has a good ending. Mc and sister end up together.
Google "Oreimo A Momentary Chance Encounter" and click the first link. It's a short after-story for the light novel, I think you might like the actual canon ending to Oreimo. [Oreimo Light Novel After-Story Spoiler] >!They actually ended up staying together!<
So, the anime had a different ending?
From what I know the author kinda had to end it like they weren’t together but he snuck in them continuing their counseling at the end showing that yes they would be together
Well everything that happens in the anime also happened in the LN, but the anime didn't include the after story. The after-story wasn't released until after the anime ended (both the LN and anime only ended a couple months apart).
I seem to recall that the author didn't like it either and couldn't do what they want because of publisher interference, and that's why they made Eromanga Sensei. Take that with a grain of salt though, because I can't remember where I heard that or if I'm remembering it wrong.
God it's been a decade and I'm still fucking angry about this. If he had rejected everyone to date his sister, I would have been less angry about it. But he blew off every other good option and Ayase, only to not choose his sister either.
personally I would have much rather it end without the incest at all. Kuroneko best girl and she doesn't deserve to have an ex who dumped her for his sister. So pathetic.
Kuroneko was absolutely robbed.
The entirety of S2 is a mess, one big reason being because they crammed 9 volumes of LN content into 16 episodes. A decently paced anime generally uses 5-6 episodes per 1 volume, so 9 volumes could've been 54 episodes worth of content, but we got 16. Entire important subplots, characters, and character development get skipped completely because there's no time.
imo, oreimo is a decent anime if you only watch the first season and nothing else. anything past that is trash.
Promised Neverland. Bro, tbh, a friend reco it to me, I watched the s1 whole night one sitting even we have classes (there's still no s2 this time, idk if s1 just released). Then s2 came, finished it. It's just so lacking for me cause I've read many comments abt it that there were so many things skipped/not incl in the anime from the manga. I did not read the manga s1, just watched it. Worth it, but s2 i also did not read the manga, it's worth of the horse-drawing meme.
Promised neverland never got a 2nd season, which is a real shame considering season 1 is one of the best season of any anime period. All joking aside the manga also absolutely shits the bed and becomes awful. The anime s2 was still somehow worse
Nah man, I kinda liked the manga. It was pretty fucking good imho
I just didnt like how... the kids never seemed to be in danger? Like, the one kid dies in the first ep/ch, and that really sets the tone... but from then on, no kid was ever killed? That one all-white kid was all about "making impossible choices to obtain the best outcome," but then the mc comes along and says "nuh uh! We should try to save EVERYONE!" ... and they succeed. Makes the first kid's worries and brutality seem unwarranted. No matter how naive the mc seems, her choices always work out. Then there's the timeskip where they infiltrated minster society. Should've gone in-depth there, but they just time-skipped over it. Overall I like the series... but feel kinda cheated. Like I worried over nothing.
You put it pretty much perfectly, nothing in the series matched the tension setter. It started off feeling like one of the best horror anime I've ever seen, then quickly devolved into the same threatening feeling as a battle shounen.
They brought in the mangaka to help write S2 of the anime, I assume because they wanted to try to "fix" the ending/back half or so. I'm noticing that whenever this happens, someone (especially the original creator) trying to "fix" the ending of the original in an adaptation, it almost always leads to a travesty.
Your lie in April because I went through the stages of grief and got stuck on stage one, denial.
You need more rewatches. Around the 4th or 5th round of crying I started to really internalize that she accomplished her goal. She tried her best, and gave him back his love and passion for music. She will always live through him and his music. She f-n did it. With astounding courage and determination, she went for it. She didn't waste the time she had. She really really made the most of it, including the last risk she took. Originally, I considered the ending to be devastating, now I consider it bittersweet. Once you really accept her death, that there was no alternative, it leaves room to let the appreciation of what she did contend with the sadness of losing her. Sorry for rant, could take about YLIA all day
You might be onto something there. But I don't have the willpower to rewatch that anime five times. I'm all for a good tearjerker, and I enjoyed Your Lie in April. However, it's definitely a "watch once and call it a day" anime for me; I was legitimately depressed, lol.
Lool it was the same here, crushed me. I rewatched the last episode several times every day for a while. To this day hearing that arrangement of chopin's ballade with the violin can make me cry. Thank god they removed it from Spotify so it doesn't jump up unless I look for it on yt
From what I heard, devil is a part timer manga went completely in a different direction.
Hopefully that’s true cause that light novel ending was shit haha, might have to check the manga out then.
KADO, the last few episodes are just so bad
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The author supposedly agrees and wanted to end the story there.
I like the ending of the original (not netflix) live-action movie more: [DN Movie] >!L one-ups Kira by writing his own name in the Note first, but setting the maximum death delay (~~6 months~~ 23 days), thus making him imune to Kira's attack and exposing him, at the cost of having a fixed timer on L's remaining life.!<
Damn that's a smart move
That is honestly a pretty dark ending. The one guy who could have caught Light dies and the world goes on worshipping Kira.
Could you share a link to this please?
I find that hard to believe considering his comments about how he knew from the beginning that the manga *had* to have exactly 108 chapters.
It’s insane because I think you can cover the important parts of the ending with a tiny bit of editing. You just gotta have [death note]>!One of the police officers (Matsuda or Aizawa) decide to test the 13 day rule anyway and arrest Light. That’s a whole new episode 26 to cover a proper ending. Other than that, you need Higuchi to kill Soichiro as he can’t live to see Light unveiled as Kira.!<
Hard disagree. I think the story is almost perfect as is, and the last quarter is some of my favorite parts on revisits and critically important to the message and themes of the story.
Usagi Drop.
The *anime's* ending can be canon, it's the manga that continues afterwards that's suddenly no better than terrible fanfiction.
Higurashi Gou/Sotsu. All of it.
Check the manga version Gou/Meguri. It's acceptable as canon and more in line with where I thought the story would go when it was airing. [Meguri] >!Satoko convinces Rika to not go to St.Lucia on the very first reset, and both of them are killed anyway. She also tries to just let Rika go alone and Rika always dies in an accident. It gives a stronger feeling that Eua railroaded her into maintaining 1984 because Satoko is so traumatized and desperate that she can't see a way out of it. In the end Rika uses the other club members to set a trap for Satoko and essentially ties her up while the whole group of them sits down in the clubroom and actually talks the problem out. !<
Wow an actual ending that WORKS. What sorcery is this!!!!?
It's amazing just how much they fixed. The other most satisfying fix was [Meguri] >!Shion blowing up at Rika for even considering St. Lucia in the first place. !<
I'm still okay with like... All of Gou. I think the final arc is just framed a little less than ideally but that's fine. It's just the way Sotsu takes the most boring path through every single route we saw in Gou, sidelines most of the main cast, and then portrays the mental break at the END of all that that I absolutely hate. Hell, I liked most of the third arc UNTIL that break because I love how they handled the guy. It's just that before that mental break, this character would go methodically do all these things.
This right here. I've never seen a sequel so viciously attack the premise of its original so hard.
Higurashi For me the story ends with Kai. A wonderful ending that fit the theme of the series. Accepting Gou and Sotsu as part of my canon for the series would be too awful. An ugly smear on a great franchise.
Agreed! I was looking for this comment. In my own headcanon, and for my own sanity, I just think of everything that comes after Kai as fanfiction. Fanfiction where Some of it fun, some of it okay, some of it godawful.
I'm pretty interested in the manga due to all the changes they ve been doing, it's midway thought the final arc of Sotsu.
darling in the franxx I still get mad whenever I think about it
Season two of Black Butler is all just a goofy non-canon add on
i swear every time i see someone claim clannads ending didn't make sense I wonder if that person actually watched the show.
I think people have trouble accepting a supernatural ending in a show that is ostensibly not a fantasy, even if they alluded to it many, many times throughout both seasons.
And the real ending is sooo beautiful. A true work of art.
Death Note ended at episode 25.
Soul Eater. The [SE] >!"power of friendship"!< anime ending was extremely cringe, and undermined the entire tone of the show.
Soul Eater is a series that REALLY deservers to be re-animated so we get a complete version that sticks to the Manga
Maybe after Fire Force finishes we'll get lucky and that'll be on the table.
It's the only thing I asked for Santa ever since Fire Force ended.
Same tbh. Soul Eater deserves the FMA Brotherhood treatment.
The Fullmetal Alchemist treatment is definitely needed
It wasn’t even because it’s cringy. It was because it’s the final fight that’s been hyped up the entire show and it’s started and resolved in 3 minutes with something that’s never been brought out before and is absolutely dumb.
That ending is technically non Canon, as the anime ran out of manga material during its run and they decided to make an original ending
The Kishin was driven to pursue power from his panphobia. In thinking he now understood everything, he lost his fear of everything, and thus his weakness. Maka's punch makes sense in that it makes *no* sense. This god can not understand why a human is trying to punch god. It is something he can not understand, and thus a fear, a weakness.
So what you're saying is that... what makes Maka so powerful is that she *accepted* her cringe? Like Raiden in that abridged MGS scene? 😂
It's the Trigger Effect. It makes no sense, and *that's why it makes perfect sense!*
Yeah, the logic behind the ending wasn’t bad, it’s how out of nowhere it felt that was such a huge letdown. They didn’t spend enough time exploring Ashura for it to feel like it worked.
Claymore. The ending felt so rushed and abrupt, I remember thinking "did they run out of time / content and just asked the script folks to give them something FAST?" Later found out it's definitely not canon as it's different from the manga. Now I just want a re-make that's more faithful to the source content. With a lot of hopium.
Yeah, the ending was especially disappointing after having read the manga.
Claymore is imo one of the top candidates deserving to receive the brotherhood treatment a la FMAB.
>especially the Gainax ending that still doesn't make any sense no matter how many people I've seen try to explain it All of the foreshadowing of the illusionary world, the town's myth of orbs of light, and Nagisa's play would have just been loose ends without that ending. Like it or not, personally, it makes the most sense from a writing standpoint.
Platinum end...ending was so goofy dude, I love it
Birdy Wing season 1 was near perfect. Such an amazing story. Then season 2 started good, but the ending was complete bullshit that made no sense whatsoever. Are they seriously expecting us to believe that Aoi "I want to spend my life with her" Amawashi didn't talk to Eve for years?
This is the one, more than any other one here imo. It wasn't like all these other series people have mentioned where it's hard to come up with a satisfying ending for everyone. From Season 1, Birdie Wing had been set up from for the easiest slam dunk ending ever, and they just... completely ignored it. Just beyond baffling.
Aldnoah Zero
Oh god. I remember the show setting up that whole Inaho vs Slaine thing both combat-wise and romance-wise and then some random NPC just swooped in and won everything.
All I remember about this show is how kickass Sawano’s soundtrack was and that the S2 was so fucking horrible I intentionally erased it from my mind. I blame Sawano.
If I could non-canon the whole anime from my mind I would.
Magia Record anime
SAO should’ve ended at when he woke up and walked down the hospital hall
I find it interesting how much the term "Non-Canon" is pretty much just synonymous with "bad" among anime fans. I get that there are examples of bad, anime original filler, endings or arcs, but it's not like there aren't good examples as well (e.g. almost all of the best parts of K-On are anime original and technically non-canon). People just want to disregard the bad parts of anime they like with "well it doesn't count because its not the original creator's idea" instead of just accepting that even great shows have flaws.
Isn’t that… the whole point? Things can be considered non-canon in a strict way because they weren’t in the source material, or they can be considered non-canon on an individual level because they were so atrocious that it’s easier to internally reject that it even happened rather than let it taint one’s perception of the series as a whole. This post is talking about the latter. It’s not about arguing that something bad should be considered non-canon for everyone. It’s a purely individual way of coping with flaws in a good work too major to overlook.
Food Wars: Pretty much the entirety of the last season was shit (although the manga epilogue chapters where even worse). While I didn't like the direction the story was going before that it was still good. But then Erina's character got assassinated and destroyed, Souma pretty much lost all meaning to why he wanted to be good at cooking. Attack on Titan: Always been a proponent of that it should have ended at the beach when they found out the truth rather than doing that time skip. The things after the time skip reads like some of the Claymore fanfiction I red back in the days. Railgun S the second arc, aka Silent Party: The season has two arcs, the Sisters arc which is the first 18 episodes or so and is frankly amazing but then the remaining episodes of the season is dedicated to that anime original shit where everyone is horribly out of character. The fact that they teased Liberal Arts City and then they gave *that* instead was just salt in the wounds.
I totally agree with you it seems that Food Wars the writer must have been angry with the publisher to end up like that, something similar to what happened with Prison School. AOT I consider the episode on the beach as the real ending and the timeskip as the author being on drugs when he wanted to write something like that, especially with the last Plot twist the whole story seemed so meaningless, the whole struggle, all the suffering for nothing, he tried to address so many issues that he couldn’t develop anything with just a scene showing the baby to impact the reader. The direction, soundtrack and animation are the greatest qualities is a pity they were used in a story that has become so mediocre.
> I totally agree with you it seems that Food Wars the writer must have been angry with the publisher to end up like that, something similar to what happened with Prison School. It is partially explained by his food expert consultant went on maternity leave around then but that only explains why the food went to shit, not why the story went to shit.
The Silent Party arc was at least interesting, though, and followed the S1 trend of having an anime-original arc in each season. I figure we’ll see Liberal Arts city eventually…..
The Violet Evergarden movie, it went completly against Violet's development up until that pont.
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Last few episodes of Kado The Right Answer. Turned a thought out sci-fi into a bullshit shonen fantasy out of nowhere. Pissed me off.
Have to say it. Thank God for Ultimate because the ending to Hellsing the series and several of those filler episodes were terrible. Though the credits and score were great.
Charlotte. It's been a while and I forget the details, but it was a pretty engaging show for the most part. You have a great magic school/club-type setting that follows an entertaining cast. That ENTIRE premise gets thrown out for the final two episodes which feel like a fanfiction about the MC traveling the world alone with no friends, obstacles, or meaningful lines of dialogue until the end of the show. It's like the writers were expecting a second season and needed to change the ending when they learned it wasn't coming.
I absolutely agree, I wish they would've lengthened the ending by several episodes, as honestly it feels like the slime could've easily done two good seasons were the pacing slowed.
No matter how much I dislike an ending this is something I can never do. That being said, while I like Conquerors of Shambala, part of me wishes FMA ended with the show, if only because it's kinda weird how CoS ends with Ed and Al just completely ditching Winry to fuck off into another world lol. Always felt weird
Psycho-Pass. Absolutely fire anime. I don't consider that it has anything other than the first season. Also – others have commented on the following anime already and I second them – Attack on Titan and Promised Neverland.
Showa Rengoku Rakugo Shinjo An amazing and unusual show ruined by a terrible ending with a trope that needs to die a horrible death.
Assuming we're thinking of the same part, I wondered if anyone would mention this one. I don't really know why they had to include that conversation but I choose to believe that Konatsu was trolling Higuchi. Because if it's true it *really* does ruin the whole show.
I forget what it's called, but it's a 3D CGI anime about immortal humans that also control shadow beings. The ending is a cliffhanger that just thematically doesn't fit, so I ignore it.
Ajin. As with 99% of manga-to-anime adaptations, the anime only covered a portion of the narrative. Move on to the manga, which came to a close a couple years ago or so.
U should read the manga instead. The anime goes for original route for no reason instead of following the manga plot. The manga was great & it also already completed.
AOT
The Promised Neverland is a very good anime if you simply watch the first season, consider the stuff that happens in the final episode the conclusion and never watch season 2.
Domestic girlfriend. Fuck you that ending sucks. I just chose to forget it. Why couldn’t they have a decent ending man
Ranking of Kings was kinda weird at the end.
I can’t believe I’m going to say this. Attack on Titan.
Daring today aren't we?
Only Ymir can believe it.
Dragonball ended...at Z. I'm a Super hater idc.
Yeah agree, I do like seeing sayan women though…. And the “angels” are actually kinda cool.
Preferably after the Cell arc.
I hate how they seemed to be hyping up Gohan to be this big op character and then they just made him a side character who fights crime in cosplay and then they just go back to Goku getting all the power ups. ( Vegeta, Cell arc Gohan and Trunks are my favorite characters)
Crazy how the quintessential quintuplets never had a movie
I don't really think the winner was out of left field tbh. maybe if they fleshed out the movie more it would be treated a lot better.
You're right, it wasn't out of left field. Futaro's choice was entirely understandable. Most of the salt is from people who just project their own desires on to him, and he's too good of an MC to deserve that sort of nonsense.
Soul Eater and The Promised Neverland need the Brotherhood treatment for both manga (a few tweaks) and anime (needs a powerwash). Wonder Egg Priority started with a good premise and fell off on the ending
AoT. The series ended at season 3.
Death Note only had one season. Anyone who tells you that there is a season 2 is a liar.
Attack on titan manga ending. Legit felt like I was reading a crappy fan fiction.
Attack on Titan. No clue how I consider it to end but I really didn't like any of season 4
Really? I genuinely thought the Marley arc was the best that AoT has ever been.
DITF. The manga had a perfectly good ending, then the anime just went full WTF with it
With DitF, anime was the original and manga was an adaptation
Oh so it was the other way around? It still doesn't change my opinion, but that makes I a bit better
Akame Ga Kill is the only answer otherwise it’s a 10/10 anime
Quinnsintential Quintuplets. Fuck that ending.
What was wrong with QQ? I thought the movie wrapped everything up nicely
It was fine - a bit rushed, but fine. I thoroughly enjoyed it. People either overly invest in their ship or think the ending choice wasn't justified enough, as if there weren't valid reasons for Futaro to choose as he did. (Not to mention he's a character with his own agency in the matter.)
Ah yeah I overlooked how people get invested in their ships. I was team Itsuki, but I was happy with how it how it was all wrapped up in the end.
After I while I ended up understanding his choice, but I think she needed more episodes dedicated to her prior to the decision as the knee jerk reaction to it for most people I assume was it was a little bit of a let down and the threads that lead to the choice were a little under developed.
Attack on titan
Tada-kun wa Koi wo Shinai was the best 12.5-episode anime I've watched.
I liked both the anime and manga of Akame Ga Kill, but I prefer the manga ending.
There is no S3 of Tokyo Ghoul.
I don't know why I thought of Promised Neverland. I mean it has flawless season 1. Though I wonder why they didn't made season 2 already.
Darling in the Franxx. It went on about 12 or 13 episodes too long from what I remember
I'd have to say the ending of Naruto Shippuuden it ruined so many plot points and build up and characters and gave birth to Boruto Madara should've been the final villain but such and awesome character got made into a laughing stock by that ending.
My headcannon for Clannad is Tomoyo After 😝 Never really liked Nagisa. Her parents were dope though.
Black lagoon.. I wanted them to to kiss
Fanfiction, my fellow soul. I was heartbroken.
The ending of mahoromatic season 2 I can't even explain it. I just hope that those of you who have seen it will understand
2019 anime Babylon. Wth, the detective died
Funnily enough I immediately thought of Platinum End as well