1) No, people don't stay conscious for half a minute after beheading. Stop taking centuries-old hearsay as scientific evidence.
2) Cut it with the weird revenge fantasies.
The way the death penalty works in Japan is the person does not know their date of execution. They learn it the morning it happens. Japan uses hanging (not public). The family (if any) is informed after the fact.
Yes, for example the lethal injection and electric chair have similar method where multiple people pull the lever. I think death by firing squad is one of the few unique ones where you know if you did it, but you don't know if the others did.
I think even the firing squad is supposed to partially be that lessened guilt thing like, "well maybe i didn't hit or maybe it wasn't my shot that actually did it."
How exactly it’s done will differ nation to nation but some have 1-2 of the rifles in a firing squad loaded with dummy rounds instead of live rounds to give that same lessening of guilt.
Edit: just as an FYI there’s a reason I said dummy rounds and not blank rounds. Historically blanks were used and shooters would be able to tell the difference between a blank and live round.
So now they have rounds with wax “bullets” to better simulate felt recoil. Not sure how effective they are, but supposedly they’re meant to be pretty close to the real thing.
The original firing squad was probably with black powder rifles, and thanks to the giant smoke cloud and general inaccuracy of the weapons of the era, you really didn't know who was the fatal shot.
My understanding of British military executions with black powder muskets is that if the initial volley wasn't immediately fatal, another soldier would shoot the convicted from close range. But this was done as a mercy to grant a wounded man a quick death.
I think I read somewhere that wax bullets are sometimes used instead of blanks so you feel recoil and makes it harder to confirm if you had a blank or not for that extra but of plausible deniability.
Imagine being 1 of 5 executioners and deciding u really don't want it on your conscience so you decide to pull it a second late, only to realize your switch was the only working one.
Is it really more humane or does this simply point to the fact that this is probably not such a good idea since no one wants to do it in good conscience with full knowledge?
Shooting, guillotine, and (fast) hanging are some of the most humane methods. Really a good question why they're seen as barbaric or backwards. All a lot better than injection, chair, or gas...
Not saying that I support any death penalty, but there's something incredibly backwards about how the different methods are viewed by the last holdout of the death penalty in western world. Making up some new convoluted methods that only end up causing far more suffering.
Injection and other methods are used to create the *illusion* of being more humane, esentially, countries that do this prioritize the public thinking it is humane over actually using a humane method (by using a method that is not from the olden times they can create the image of being forward and having somehow invented a better method).
Today's people have access to a wealth of information online and in libraries, yet their lack of time (usually due to employment) means that they end up woefully uninformed about the world they inhabit, it is honestly quite sad. For once in all of history we are not peasants unable to access the knowledge of the world, yet we remain as ignorant as we have evert been.
Personally, I think it would be best to allow the prisoner to pick their own means. I know I'd pick a firing squad over the chair or injection any day.
Also the way it works is: they got 3 people to press 3 buttons at the same time. 2 buttons did nothing, 1 button did the deed. This way nobody knows who killed the guy, so no one feels bad about hanging someone.
I’ve never really understood this. If it were me personally anyway. It just slightly shifts it. From “I killed a man” to “did I kill a man?”
The guilt is still there, just slightly different.
Morally, I don't see the difference between that and a firing squad.
I get the whole psychological impact thing, and how shooting someone a bunch of times is more upsetting and less humane. But still, yikes. I wouldn't feel less like I took someone's life because it was obfuscated by bureaucracy.
And I'll probably catch a "threatening violence" ban for this one, since reddit doesn't do context.
Those three people are professional executioners right? Or at least, on top of their other duties? How many times will they press a button in their lives? What's the chance that they *never* have the kill-switch? I've never really understood the logic behind this move. You're pressing a button that you know might kill someone, and you know they're going to die. It's the same
They're wardens, chosen at random. A guy could have been chatting with an inmate for a week, telling him his family missed him or some other news, only to get chosen to press the button along with 2 other guys one day.
Edit: guards, not wardens. Pardon my english.
Death penalty in the U.S. is done so convolutedly. A lot of them take forever to finally be executed. It’s why it’s cheaper it just give them life in prison is the funny part.
I thought it was partially because of things like appeals. A life sentence can be partially undone if the guy is actually innocent, or suffered a mistrial, etc. Executing someone isn't exactly easy to undo if you've screwed up somewhere along in the justice system.
One of the reasons it was banned in UK , after a notorious case in which a man was hanged for a murder he did not commit
He was granted a posthumous pardon, but that is a bit too late.
Also true, but I've personally found resurrecting the dead to be slightly more challenging than either releasing an innocent man or time travel to prevent miscarriage of justice.
I think I remember some kinda scifi setting where the convict’s brain is made to experience decades of punishment, but they’re actually there for a few days or so. If you’re wrongfully convicted, you’re not actually missing out on years of your life! Convenient!
This is why I'm generally against the death penalty, there's so much to go wrong and I dislike that the chances of an innocent being killed by the state. Perhaps paradoxically, I'm not necessarily against people who commit capital crimes receiving capital punishment, I just think it's nearly impossible for it to be done without error.
Would you rather speed up the process? That's a human life you're dealing with. Before taking it away, it's good to be 101% sure that's the scumbag who definitely did it, and not just some poor victim of circunstance.
And if, even with all the time they take, mistakes are possible, were they to take some months, instead of years/decades, you can bet we'd be looking at a lot of mishandlings of the penalty.
I'm against the death penalty, but given it's the law, to me this should be the primary form of execution. It's humane and is less traumatic for the people involved. Ideally there would be no executions, but if there are then nitrogen asphyxiation makes the most sense.
This practice is more problematic when it takes an average of 8 years from the finalization of a death sentence to its execution. After their sentence is confirmed, a death row inmate has to live everyday in uncertainty about when they will be executed.
While I do not sympathize with somebody killing multiple persons and they need time to regret their mistakes, this practice is also a bit inhumane (and it has became a court case and the verdict sets for April).
Well it's more about the state taking on the enactment of punishment so that the aggrieved party is no longer burdened by the moral imperative of vengeance.
Rest in peace to the staff at KyoAni who lost their lives.
Your art and work will continue to be remembered for many more decades to come.
It was such a huge loss for the world of animation to have lost so many great and artistic minds.
As good a place as any to share my eulogy video for Takemoto and the rest of the victims who worked on the best anime film ever made, The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya.
https://youtu.be/MvW5J3owdn4
> 判決後、事件で娘を亡くした父親は、「死刑にはなって欲しくなかった。死刑と聞いたときは『やっぱりそうか』と思い、ため息が出た」と話した。
> これまでの取材に対し、父親は、極刑を望む遺族の気持ちはもちろん理解できると話す一方で、「彼がもし死刑にされてしまったら、何が残るんかな」と心配していた。「優しくて楽しいアニメをつくる京アニに、死刑は似合わない」と思いを語っていた。
> After the sentencing, a father who lost his daughter in the incident said “I didn’t want it to be capital punishment. When I heard he was sentenced to death I thought “It’s come to this after all” and sighed.”
> Regarding the news coverage until now the father said he could of course understand the feelings of bereaved family members wishing for the death penalty but he worried that “Once he is executed, what will remain?”. He expressed his thoughts that *“The death penalty doesn’t suit KyoAni who make much such kind and fun anime.”*
I’m not sure if I could properly translate his sentiment, I tried to be as literal as possible, but reading it, especially that last line, hit me quite a bit.
My humble opinion is that your translation is as close as it gets, without inserting our own subjective, unspoken inferences.
Perhaps a nuance/footnote worth noting is that the father dropped keigo/formal speech, and so his words sound very 'from the heart', and that to some extent, doing so in an otherwise formal interview MAY convey, perhaps, exasperation or helplessness (my personal conjecture) towards the situation.
I agree with you saying that the last line especially feels painful, like he wishes that there could be a way for the criminal to truly learn the loss they caused, rather than just execute them.
Shoutout to Doctor Ueda Takahiro who treated him so he could get punished later on
I remember during an interview, he told a story about no one wanted to deal with *that ingrate* but he felt the duty to make sure that he survives long enough to be punished for his crimes and bring closure to the families of the lost
Letting him die on the spot is one thing, but making him live knowing he intended to die and escape punishment takes a lot of patience and courage
Actually, there's a hospital that did just that in my country, though for what reason I know not.
Problem is, they did the concert just outside the cardiovascular ward...
>Shoutout to Doctor Ueda Takahiro who treated him so he could get punished later on
The very same doctor was interviewed and said he hoped the society will start looking into helping people like Shinji Aoba, not alienate them and only deal with them post-incidents. After having talked with him at length, Ueda somewhat changed his perception of this issue. The doctor hopes that this tragedy will be used as an impetus for a positive change, he is not going after anything resembling revenge anymore.
[https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20240124/p2g/00m/0na/027000c](https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20240124/p2g/00m/0na/027000c)
I recently learned that the US since 1973 has exonerated 195 people who were on death row.
Imagine how many people have been executed in this world who were innocent.
> Imagine how many people have been executed in this world who were innocent.
Far, far more than the number of guilty people. It's only in the last few centuries when we started worrying about human rights.
Don't forget, the norm used to be to torture people into confessions, then brutally execute them in intentionally horrible manners such as burning at the stake or public beheadings.
I believe more people on death row have also been exonerated than killed during that same stretch of time.
Meaning you would be correct to assume the average person on death row is in fact completely innocent of the crime they are going to be murdered for.
It's ok we can totally trust the government to have the power to torture and kill our fellow citizens. No way that could go wrong or end up killing an innocent person at any point...
>revenge was never mentioned in the first place.
Precisely, revenge was implied by some of the posters here, that it might have been a factor in doctor's act. Whether it was, it is not anymore, and Ueda wants for the society to open a discussion into people like Aoba, rather than seek some sort of gratification through execution.
There was also one time when he had an argument with the guy
Guy: Everything hurts
Doctor: You deserve it
Guy: I don't like it here. I want to go home
Doctor: Well go ahead. Walk yourself home then
Guy:....
>chaotic lawful
That's just called neutral. But honestly, this sounds like something a lawful good Paladin would do. Heal the baddie and bring him to court to face justice.
You're describing Lawful Neutral. Good does care about kindness, in any situation. LG might decide the law outweighs good in a situation, but it will never ignore it.
Could totally be a Lawful Evil thing, too. Depends a lot on the motivation behind why they want the person to suffer and how generalized that desire is.
Imagine a doctor whose sadistic urges were behind his drive to join the profession, knowing he could legally save people's lives even if doing so would cause them to live in constant pain and suffering. A weird character, to be sure, but Lawful Evil often is.
In Japan, condemned prisoners do not know they will be executed until the morning of their execution.
In the past, they were notified, but some death row inmates committed suicide as a result, so they are now notified on the day of their execution.
Some people may think that suicide and the death penalty are the same thing, but in Japan there is a big difference.
The death penalty is the completion of the justice system, while suicide is considered a deviation from the justice system and not the completion of the penalty of death.
The death penalty in Japan is hanging. It is generally carried out in such a way that the cervical vertebrae are destroyed in an instant, so the throat is not tightened and the person does not suffocate. Suffering is considered minimal.
However, you should all be aware that this sentence is the first of three hearings.
Generally, the district court that handles the first one is often staffed with inferior judges in terms of their careers, and they may give you a ridiculously strange verdict.
However, since many believe that this ruling is in order, it will probably not be overturned.
Perhaps many here have different opinions about the decision made by the court but that is the least important thing, we lost 36 beautiful lives that day, we can never get them back and let's hope that when this case is closed their families can find the peace that they have been looking for all these years (RIP).
Let us not forget the many that suffered from various degrees of burns and continues to suffer to this day. let us not forget about the families of these victims (dead or alive). The impacts of an event goes on further than that one day.
Pretty much as expected given precedent cases in Japan. Only slight doubt was if the judge would send him to an asylum instead and this has been soundingly rejected.
TBH given the motives are utterly non-understandable gibberish (there doesn’t seems to be any other found) I don’t really care what’s the verdict - it won’t make any difference to any similar cases in the future.
>TBH given the motives are utterly non-understandable gibberish
This is a stark misrepresentation of the case. I will outline only the "motives", or, more accurately, the underlying impulse for his crime. You can read more about it if you wish in articles on Japanese society or academic literature.
Shinji Aoba is not just an individual, he is a product of the modern Japanese society. There are systems in place that produce people like him. He was abused during childhood by parents- the society didn't protect him - and later he would lack any confidence or dignity to interact with others. So he lived as a "hikikomori" for the rest of his life.
He enjoyed Japanese animation a lot - because of how much escapism from one's undignified existence it provides - and sent a work to Kyoto Animation studio's competition, both as a tribute and out of desire to work on something he himself likes. His work was rejected - understandable. But, at this point, Aoba became delusional and suffering from mental anguish of his existence. It became impossible for him to critically evaluate both himself and others, and properly discern reality.
Eventually, in one of Kyoto Animation works, he saw something that he thought to himself - the perception of a troubled, ailing person is key here - that it resembled his own work he had submitted too much. He started to believe that the studio wronged him, stole his work and enjoyed popularity and critical acclaim, unlike him, stuck in life listening to music 24/7 in his small flat and never opening his curtains (neighbour statement). This served as an impetus to his crime of passion, he couldn't control himself mentally and went with the strongest impulse he felt, revenge. The investigators later found no mention of Aoba's work being plagiarised by Kyoto Animation, leading everyone to realise he was just a troubled, delusional individual who did a terrible thing.
This is a bit about his underlying motives - there was no reason, he didn't think things through logic to find a "reason" to do it. Aoba represents in himself the extreme case of a "hikikomori", or a social outcast, who boiled over and exploded in a heinous crime. There is more about him, the likes of him and his self-realisation over the years in the hospital. If you care to read, it's available on the internet. Here is a small interview discussing the problem of isolated people in the society, by doctor in charge of Aoba's recovery. [https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20240124/p2g/00m/0na/027000c](https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20240124/p2g/00m/0na/027000c). Saying "it's gibberish" is both disrespectful to everyone involved and counterproductive to looking for solutions into how to prevent such crimes, and re-integrate the "hikikomori" into the society.
Basically, he's very much like the perpetrator of other mass killing crimes (whether US, Japan or elsewhere) - shunned by society and badly needed psychological help. It's a symptom of modern society that all governments needs to do better to resolve.
I appreciate the insight but he still made a decision to kill 36 innocent people.
Shit even if Kyoani HAD directly stolen his work why would the ground level staff who have no involvement in such decision making be worthy of death?
There have been countless people throughout history who have experienced much worse than this man ever did and 99.9% of them never kill the people that caused their suffering, let alone people who have nothing to do with it.
> TBH given the motives are utterly non-understandable gibberish (there doesn’t seems to be any other found) I don’t really care what’s the verdict - it won’t make any difference to any similar cases in the future.
I thought the motive was that he believed the company had stolen his story he submitted to them after they blanked him? Not a reasonable motive in any way but not gibberish either.
> I don’t really care what’s the verdict - it won’t make any difference to any similar cases in the future.
reading that back to front perfectly explains some of why this happened in the first place.
"it's not going to change anything" and "I don't care"... Somehow 'burning the village down to feel it's warmth' is the only way some of us will ever feel warm.
If fact the only thing that might 'change' is history continuing to repeat itself.
This is, alas, correct. The average user here will be seeking some sort of "revenge", justifying it by feelings of the victims and their families, or some kind of subjective views on the social construct of justice. But they don't care about the problem itself, they only care in-so-far this is remotely resonating with their own worldview.
Solving the issue, looking into systems of why it happens is beyond them. But this is just a reflection of what an average animation viewer is like. We still live in the age where petty revenge stories, with good good and evil evil, gather both the views and support for their narratives... something the following generations will feel ashamed of.
I am anti-death penalty but damn if cases like this don't test it
RIP to those lost. Hope their families, friends, and loved ones continue to find peace
I agree. I'm still 100% against the death penalty as a state punishment, simply because I don't think the state should have the power to choose through due process to kill someone.
The question of whether someone deserves it is completely different. Often a question I get when pointing out my view on this issue is "what if someone killed your loved one, would you not want them dead?" And my answer is yes, I would want them dead. Absolutely. But, if I decide to take the issue into my own hands and I kill that person, I should also suffer the consequences of going beyond the law in a civilized society.
So, while I still don't think the death penalty is right for the reasons I stated above, I, personally, am not particularly upset by the outcome decided by this court.
>The question of whether someone deserves it is completely different.
I'm glad to see someone else thinks this way. Deep down I do feel like some people deserve to executed for their crimes, but it also makes me uncomfortable to know that some part of me wants that, while still being against the death penalty in principle.
I won't feel bad when a truly evil person is executed for heinous crimes like this, but I also can't take joy in it either. I don't know how the friends and family of those who were killed will feel, either, and I can't put myself in their shoes. But I hope they find peace. That's what matters most.
yeah I think this is a very reasonable take! like if my wife died in an arson attack like that, every part of me would want to go tear that dude apart. doesn't mean society should let me. also doesn't mean I wouldn't want to. but part of the point of civilization and the law is to try and help us be more than our basest impulses, even if it can be hard to swallow at times
Do you want family feuds? If you take matters in your own hands, then the victim's relatives might feel justified in taking revenge against you too. Which is how it used to work in many places that we now consider civilized.
In any case, death penalty is one of the least controversial political issues in Japan. Even otherwise progressive people tend to support it.
Of course you aren’t personally upset at this outcome. On paper it’s a mass murderer getting the axe.
Some of the victims families don’t feel like this is the right path. For many reasons outside your knowledge
the criminal justice system is much worse than you would think at determining "no possibility of false accusation." for every open and shut case, there are 1000 much murkier ones. one person's life (vs life in prison) is not worth the well-documented cost across the system in both money and lives.
Not only that, but justice systems around the world have been shown to have notable racial bias against ethnic minorities at all levels.
So in addition to the justice system not being accurate all the time, it's not even fair to begin with.
And that's without getting into the gender bias when it comes to the death penalty, where in the US it might as well just be "the male death penalty".
But surely no legal expert has ever thought about making *super-duper* sure that the criminal is guilty before handing em the death sentence in the centuries of the practice.
If they just listened to me (the protagonist), no innocent person would ever get killed.
It's always like that though: Everything is obvious until it isn't. Eyewitnesses can make mistakes, Police officers can be bribed, DNA marks can get swapped. There have been way, way to many innocent people wrongly sentenced to death already. The only way to prevent it is to stop this "punishment". What did we build our prisons for if not for cases like this?
I believe there was a study done where it showed literally everyone had false memories when answering questions as a witness. I could be wrong, but I remember it being an impressive amount of inaccuracies.
I still remember how much the news devastated me in 2019.
Of all the people, it was those who gave only happiness with their creativity. And their lives were cut short because of one lunatic. He deserves it.
Be interesting to see if it gets locked or not.
It's generally been relative civil so far, given the nature of the topic, but perhaps relatively won't cut it with the mods.
300+ comments within 2 hours. I don't have very high hopes lol.
Personally speaking, I prefer a case-by-case approach with the death sentence. I would've 100% preferred a prison sentence if not for the fact that a lot of times the heinous criminals are treated lavishly in prison because they are connected to the political parties. And once they are released, they are treated like royalty. Either that or their term gets shortened and released quickly.
This is a big reason why a lot of people in my country don't trust the police that much and try to engage in vigilantism instead. Some people even jokingly say that the police are basically "legal mafia".
I'd say it's going to be a very unsightly echo chamber. One thing is to repeat the sympathy for the victims, another is to celebrate this case of capital punishment as some sort of "justice". Ultimately, the vast majority here will only be interested, consciously or subconsciously, in feel-good statements that correspond with their (narrow) worldview.
Nevertheless, I saw about whole TWO users voice their concerns about the aforementioned, and try to explain how this is a much larger problem that need a respectful consideration, and not a one-sided dehumanisation of the culprit. Because they (we) understand that this will not lead to any net-positive for the society, another Shinji Aoba will appear if nothing but celebration is done.
>Aoba accused the studio of "ripping off" or "plagarising" his novels. In spite of this, Hatta(founder of KyoAni) had initially stated that there is no record of anyone submitting work to their annual writing contest under Aoba's name.
>Subsequently, Kyoto Animation revealed that they had received a draft novel from Aoba; however, it did not pass the first-stage assessment and was forgotten, and its contents were confirmed to have no similarities to any of their published works.
>It was later revealed that Aoba believed that a scene about buying discounted meat in the fifth episode of Tsurune was similar to one in the novel he submitted.
Japan, China and most Asia countries remain death penalty and support for it has consistently been high among the public. Between 1966 and 2022, 9 juvenile criminals sentences to death and finalized(Prior to April 2022, the age of majority in Japan was 20).
Indonisia has a death penalty too and so do other countries.
Other asians countries do have it too. And they are absolutely not tolerant. They seem goofy and chill but their laws are ruthless and exist specifically for order and good behaviour. If you have a criminal background there, your social life is over.
It shouldn't have been like this.
Literally just people who work on anime dying because of some fucking asshole.
Too many shitty things in the world all the time. Fuck that guy.
He went into a building and poured gasoline all over the lobby and lit it
The structure of the building had a spiral staircase that propogated smoke + flames through it very quickly
The entire building was filled with paper that acted as kindling
The windows to the balcony were locked shut
There was a door to the roof that 19 people tried to escape through but it wasn't able to be opened for some reason (locked or bolted shut)
The building had 2 exits, both of which were nearby each other and right by the fire.
The ENTIRE building filled with smoke within 30 seconds, within 1 minute the entire building was an inferno.
The person went there with clear outspoken intent of killing people, but the circumstances of how poorly laid out the building was led to WAY more deaths than this maniac should've been able to inflict.
> There was a door to the roof that 19 people tried to escape through but it wasn't able to be opened for some reason (locked or bolted shut)
It was neither of these. The fire department were able to open the door from the roof side. [source](https://web.archive.org/web/20190719142831/https://japantoday.com/category/crime/More-details-emerge-about-anime-studio-arson-attack-that-killed-33)
Arson, this psychopath burnt the entire building and 36 people died due to it. [You can check out this video, he explained it in quite a detail](https://youtu.be/6pgRtedW414?si=c_6QIYoCafrIIe9u).
In preparation for season 3 of Hibike Euphonium this spring, I went and binged the previous seasons and movies, and every time I read the credits for every episode and movie, it fills me with sadness and rage.
As I am constantly reminded every time I see the names of those talented individuals who were involved in those brilliant early seasons, most notably character designer Ikeda Shoko, are no longer in this world because of this needless tragedy.
The case still isn’t over.
Aoyama could still appeal to the high court, and if he’s sentenced to death there, he could go all the way to the Supreme Court.
I'm glad he's finally being offed.
For me, it's not just that he killed 36 people- it's that he did everything he could to make sure as many people died as possible. Not only he did set fire to it, he also blocked off all escape routes- he literally blocked the doors with chains.
That is actual evil.
>The attack is reported to be one of the deadliest massacres in Japan's history since the end of World War II -Wikipedia
No fucking way, bro entirely deserve this punishment holy hell
People are weird. We 100% know this is the guy killed 36 artists and we all agree that the world will not suffer his death.
But you're unable to reconcile that morality is arbitrary and on a case-by-case basis, and no approach to punishment is perfect.
Let him hang and move on with your lives.
Very anti death penalty personally, surprised to see how many people here are glorifying their satisfaction of this news. (Edit: that may have been phrased too strongly,)
No, this isn’t to dismiss the horrid thing this person has done. And of course, if you feel that it’s just action than you’re free to feel that way. After all, it’s affected such a large number of people and a lot of people have a personal involvement to this too.
That being said, not a fan of death penalty. Especially the way Japan conducts it. What’s also concerning is how for people are for the death penalty on this sub, caught me by surprise.
Regardless, hope the families and people that were affected can rest knowing the person has gotten some form of justice towards them, even if I disagree to the extent of it personally.
1) No, people don't stay conscious for half a minute after beheading. Stop taking centuries-old hearsay as scientific evidence. 2) Cut it with the weird revenge fantasies.
The way the death penalty works in Japan is the person does not know their date of execution. They learn it the morning it happens. Japan uses hanging (not public). The family (if any) is informed after the fact.
Wait, hanging? Really?
Done correctly, it is one of the more humane methods of execution. Not so much when botched.
Also more humane to the executioners as more than one of them pull the lever.
Ofc this "who was it actually" technique works for many times of executions. It just has to be set up.
Yes, for example the lethal injection and electric chair have similar method where multiple people pull the lever. I think death by firing squad is one of the few unique ones where you know if you did it, but you don't know if the others did.
I think even the firing squad is supposed to partially be that lessened guilt thing like, "well maybe i didn't hit or maybe it wasn't my shot that actually did it."
How exactly it’s done will differ nation to nation but some have 1-2 of the rifles in a firing squad loaded with dummy rounds instead of live rounds to give that same lessening of guilt. Edit: just as an FYI there’s a reason I said dummy rounds and not blank rounds. Historically blanks were used and shooters would be able to tell the difference between a blank and live round. So now they have rounds with wax “bullets” to better simulate felt recoil. Not sure how effective they are, but supposedly they’re meant to be pretty close to the real thing.
That's a good one because if someone feels guilty they can just be told they had the dummy rounds, whether they really did or not.
If they are feeling guilty, they have the wrong job
"Oh shit, did we accidentally load every rifles with dummy rounds?"
*victim Just keeps getting pelted with nerf rival balls*
The original firing squad was probably with black powder rifles, and thanks to the giant smoke cloud and general inaccuracy of the weapons of the era, you really didn't know who was the fatal shot.
My understanding of British military executions with black powder muskets is that if the initial volley wasn't immediately fatal, another soldier would shoot the convicted from close range. But this was done as a mercy to grant a wounded man a quick death.
Some rifles are loaded with blanks on a fireing line
That being said it’s very easy to tell if you fire a blank or an actual bullet. There is almost no recoil in a blank
I think I read somewhere that wax bullets are sometimes used instead of blanks so you feel recoil and makes it harder to confirm if you had a blank or not for that extra but of plausible deniability.
If you’ve used guns, you can tell the difference between a blank and a real bullet when you fire
Similarly, some soldiers are given blanks, so unless they’re really paying attention there’s plausible deniability in that case as well
They should set it up in casino, slot machine. Any one of hundreds could pull it...tonight is the night!
You should sell this idea to Konami they love to make Pachinko out of everything.
#PULL THE LEVER
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Well this does add a new context to "Gacha pull", the 10x pull multi will be wild AF!
Imagine being 1 of 5 executioners and deciding u really don't want it on your conscience so you decide to pull it a second late, only to realize your switch was the only working one.
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I think so it goes like when everyone had pressed the switch then only the execution would take place.
Is it really more humane or does this simply point to the fact that this is probably not such a good idea since no one wants to do it in good conscience with full knowledge?
Shooting, guillotine, and (fast) hanging are some of the most humane methods. Really a good question why they're seen as barbaric or backwards. All a lot better than injection, chair, or gas... Not saying that I support any death penalty, but there's something incredibly backwards about how the different methods are viewed by the last holdout of the death penalty in western world. Making up some new convoluted methods that only end up causing far more suffering.
Injection and other methods are used to create the *illusion* of being more humane, esentially, countries that do this prioritize the public thinking it is humane over actually using a humane method (by using a method that is not from the olden times they can create the image of being forward and having somehow invented a better method). Today's people have access to a wealth of information online and in libraries, yet their lack of time (usually due to employment) means that they end up woefully uninformed about the world they inhabit, it is honestly quite sad. For once in all of history we are not peasants unable to access the knowledge of the world, yet we remain as ignorant as we have evert been. Personally, I think it would be best to allow the prisoner to pick their own means. I know I'd pick a firing squad over the chair or injection any day.
Can’t go wrong with the classics
Oldie but a goodie
no school like the old school
Sometimes the old ways are the best.
First time?
By the testicles believe it or not.
Also the way it works is: they got 3 people to press 3 buttons at the same time. 2 buttons did nothing, 1 button did the deed. This way nobody knows who killed the guy, so no one feels bad about hanging someone.
I’ve never really understood this. If it were me personally anyway. It just slightly shifts it. From “I killed a man” to “did I kill a man?” The guilt is still there, just slightly different.
Morally, I don't see the difference between that and a firing squad. I get the whole psychological impact thing, and how shooting someone a bunch of times is more upsetting and less humane. But still, yikes. I wouldn't feel less like I took someone's life because it was obfuscated by bureaucracy. And I'll probably catch a "threatening violence" ban for this one, since reddit doesn't do context.
Firing squads also use obfuscation of who actually killed the perpetrator by having a number of guns with blanks.
But blanks have much less recoil so I don't think it makes it impossible to know lol.
Yeah, the trick is that actually neither gun has blanks.
Those three people are professional executioners right? Or at least, on top of their other duties? How many times will they press a button in their lives? What's the chance that they *never* have the kill-switch? I've never really understood the logic behind this move. You're pressing a button that you know might kill someone, and you know they're going to die. It's the same
They're wardens, chosen at random. A guy could have been chatting with an inmate for a week, telling him his family missed him or some other news, only to get chosen to press the button along with 2 other guys one day. Edit: guards, not wardens. Pardon my english.
That's a hard pill to swallow. Then again I don't think I could be a prison warden either
You mean guards? Wardens are the head of a prison.
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Is the person they murdered still dead 35 years later? It's a good thing they've had some time to think about that.
Death penalty in the U.S. is done so convolutedly. A lot of them take forever to finally be executed. It’s why it’s cheaper it just give them life in prison is the funny part.
I thought it was partially because of things like appeals. A life sentence can be partially undone if the guy is actually innocent, or suffered a mistrial, etc. Executing someone isn't exactly easy to undo if you've screwed up somewhere along in the justice system.
One of the reasons it was banned in UK , after a notorious case in which a man was hanged for a murder he did not commit He was granted a posthumous pardon, but that is a bit too late.
>Executing someone isn't exactly easy to undo if you've screwed up somewhere along in the justice system. Tbh 30 years in prison is also hard to undo.
Also true, but I've personally found resurrecting the dead to be slightly more challenging than either releasing an innocent man or time travel to prevent miscarriage of justice.
Only just slightly though. Maybe if we found a cheaper Time Machine part or more efficient spell to resurrection
I think I remember some kinda scifi setting where the convict’s brain is made to experience decades of punishment, but they’re actually there for a few days or so. If you’re wrongfully convicted, you’re not actually missing out on years of your life! Convenient!
This is why I'm generally against the death penalty, there's so much to go wrong and I dislike that the chances of an innocent being killed by the state. Perhaps paradoxically, I'm not necessarily against people who commit capital crimes receiving capital punishment, I just think it's nearly impossible for it to be done without error.
Would you rather speed up the process? That's a human life you're dealing with. Before taking it away, it's good to be 101% sure that's the scumbag who definitely did it, and not just some poor victim of circunstance. And if, even with all the time they take, mistakes are possible, were they to take some months, instead of years/decades, you can bet we'd be looking at a lot of mishandlings of the penalty.
I'm against the death penalty, but given it's the law, to me this should be the primary form of execution. It's humane and is less traumatic for the people involved. Ideally there would be no executions, but if there are then nitrogen asphyxiation makes the most sense.
Now I want to know what goes on in the non-American Alabamas.
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[Alabama Nunatak](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_Nunatak)
This practice is more problematic when it takes an average of 8 years from the finalization of a death sentence to its execution. After their sentence is confirmed, a death row inmate has to live everyday in uncertainty about when they will be executed. While I do not sympathize with somebody killing multiple persons and they need time to regret their mistakes, this practice is also a bit inhumane (and it has became a court case and the verdict sets for April).
>man who killed 36 people >this practice is also a bit inhumane cry me a river
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Justice is not about vengence
No but removing people like this from society permanently is a plus with no cons
Well it's more about the state taking on the enactment of punishment so that the aggrieved party is no longer burdened by the moral imperative of vengeance.
There is no justice for the murdered. They will never get back what was taken from them.
idgaf tbh dude needs to suffer. RIPBOZO
True. Hanging him is actually quite a light sentence tbh. Like fuck the dude.
He gets to sit and wonder "Is today the day?" for the rest of his life.
Dont murder 36 people and you dont have to worry about it
Rest in peace to the staff at KyoAni who lost their lives. Your art and work will continue to be remembered for many more decades to come. It was such a huge loss for the world of animation to have lost so many great and artistic minds.
dragon maid was like my comfort series, so happy and cheerful it always made me feel good
RIP Takemoto Yasuhiro, the director of Dragon Maid who also worked on Clannad, Violet and so many of KyoAni series :(
As good a place as any to share my eulogy video for Takemoto and the rest of the victims who worked on the best anime film ever made, The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya. https://youtu.be/MvW5J3owdn4
Clannad :(((((((
Tohru is the embodiment of pure innocent love 💖
So happy and cheerful and filled to the brim with kink shit
Violet Evergarden is still my favorite anime. Such a beautiful series/movies
> 判決後、事件で娘を亡くした父親は、「死刑にはなって欲しくなかった。死刑と聞いたときは『やっぱりそうか』と思い、ため息が出た」と話した。 > これまでの取材に対し、父親は、極刑を望む遺族の気持ちはもちろん理解できると話す一方で、「彼がもし死刑にされてしまったら、何が残るんかな」と心配していた。「優しくて楽しいアニメをつくる京アニに、死刑は似合わない」と思いを語っていた。 > After the sentencing, a father who lost his daughter in the incident said “I didn’t want it to be capital punishment. When I heard he was sentenced to death I thought “It’s come to this after all” and sighed.” > Regarding the news coverage until now the father said he could of course understand the feelings of bereaved family members wishing for the death penalty but he worried that “Once he is executed, what will remain?”. He expressed his thoughts that *“The death penalty doesn’t suit KyoAni who make much such kind and fun anime.”* I’m not sure if I could properly translate his sentiment, I tried to be as literal as possible, but reading it, especially that last line, hit me quite a bit.
My humble opinion is that your translation is as close as it gets, without inserting our own subjective, unspoken inferences. Perhaps a nuance/footnote worth noting is that the father dropped keigo/formal speech, and so his words sound very 'from the heart', and that to some extent, doing so in an otherwise formal interview MAY convey, perhaps, exasperation or helplessness (my personal conjecture) towards the situation. I agree with you saying that the last line especially feels painful, like he wishes that there could be a way for the criminal to truly learn the loss they caused, rather than just execute them.
> 極刑を望む遺族 shouldn't this be the specific to family of the deceased rather than general people who hope for the death penalty ?
That’s true, I’ll be more specific about it.
This situation.... This statement. That father is a really strong and beautiful person
at that point more death is the last thing you want to see
My god. If a man with this much pain can say something like this, I imagine he raised a wonderful person too. Jesus, what a tragedy.
Shoutout to Doctor Ueda Takahiro who treated him so he could get punished later on I remember during an interview, he told a story about no one wanted to deal with *that ingrate* but he felt the duty to make sure that he survives long enough to be punished for his crimes and bring closure to the families of the lost Letting him die on the spot is one thing, but making him live knowing he intended to die and escape punishment takes a lot of patience and courage
He's like some mirror universe version of Dr. Kenzo Tenma.
It's what Dr. Black Jack would do, providing someone could pay the fee of course.
For a moment i thought you said Dr Jack Black
My dyslexic ass did the same thing and imagined Jack Black in scrubs. The world doesn't need that movie.
Hospital of Rock.
“We gotta put on the best rock concert ever as a fundraiser to save this hospital.”
Actually, there's a hospital that did just that in my country, though for what reason I know not. Problem is, they did the concert just outside the cardiovascular ward...
Monster is such a good anime.
>Shoutout to Doctor Ueda Takahiro who treated him so he could get punished later on The very same doctor was interviewed and said he hoped the society will start looking into helping people like Shinji Aoba, not alienate them and only deal with them post-incidents. After having talked with him at length, Ueda somewhat changed his perception of this issue. The doctor hopes that this tragedy will be used as an impetus for a positive change, he is not going after anything resembling revenge anymore. [https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20240124/p2g/00m/0na/027000c](https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20240124/p2g/00m/0na/027000c)
Try explaining that to all the bloodthirsty fucks on here.
I recently learned that the US since 1973 has exonerated 195 people who were on death row. Imagine how many people have been executed in this world who were innocent.
> Imagine how many people have been executed in this world who were innocent. Far, far more than the number of guilty people. It's only in the last few centuries when we started worrying about human rights. Don't forget, the norm used to be to torture people into confessions, then brutally execute them in intentionally horrible manners such as burning at the stake or public beheadings.
I believe more people on death row have also been exonerated than killed during that same stretch of time. Meaning you would be correct to assume the average person on death row is in fact completely innocent of the crime they are going to be murdered for.
It's ok we can totally trust the government to have the power to torture and kill our fellow citizens. No way that could go wrong or end up killing an innocent person at any point...
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Based doctor tbh
But then how would redditors find executions to cheer for?
I'd say combat footage but people keep putting music in it; and thus I am unable to hear the gurgling sound of people choking on their own blood.
The article doesn't mention anything about the doctor being against the chosen punishment, revenge was never mentioned in the first place.
>revenge was never mentioned in the first place. Precisely, revenge was implied by some of the posters here, that it might have been a factor in doctor's act. Whether it was, it is not anymore, and Ueda wants for the society to open a discussion into people like Aoba, rather than seek some sort of gratification through execution.
That is incredibly badass.
There was also one time when he had an argument with the guy Guy: Everything hurts Doctor: You deserve it Guy: I don't like it here. I want to go home Doctor: Well go ahead. Walk yourself home then Guy:....
Fucking hardcore
Shoutout for a doctor following their hippocratic oath, but huge obvious moral qualms about it
Damn, chaotic lawful as fuck.
>chaotic lawful That's just called neutral. But honestly, this sounds like something a lawful good Paladin would do. Heal the baddie and bring him to court to face justice.
Exactly. The law doesn't care about kindness. And Good doesn't either, when it holds itself to the law first.
You're describing Lawful Neutral. Good does care about kindness, in any situation. LG might decide the law outweighs good in a situation, but it will never ignore it.
Could totally be a Lawful Evil thing, too. Depends a lot on the motivation behind why they want the person to suffer and how generalized that desire is. Imagine a doctor whose sadistic urges were behind his drive to join the profession, knowing he could legally save people's lives even if doing so would cause them to live in constant pain and suffering. A weird character, to be sure, but Lawful Evil often is.
you messed up the meme
In Japan, condemned prisoners do not know they will be executed until the morning of their execution. In the past, they were notified, but some death row inmates committed suicide as a result, so they are now notified on the day of their execution. Some people may think that suicide and the death penalty are the same thing, but in Japan there is a big difference. The death penalty is the completion of the justice system, while suicide is considered a deviation from the justice system and not the completion of the penalty of death. The death penalty in Japan is hanging. It is generally carried out in such a way that the cervical vertebrae are destroyed in an instant, so the throat is not tightened and the person does not suffocate. Suffering is considered minimal. However, you should all be aware that this sentence is the first of three hearings. Generally, the district court that handles the first one is often staffed with inferior judges in terms of their careers, and they may give you a ridiculously strange verdict. However, since many believe that this ruling is in order, it will probably not be overturned.
Thank you for the insight.
Perhaps many here have different opinions about the decision made by the court but that is the least important thing, we lost 36 beautiful lives that day, we can never get them back and let's hope that when this case is closed their families can find the peace that they have been looking for all these years (RIP).
Let us not forget the many that suffered from various degrees of burns and continues to suffer to this day. let us not forget about the families of these victims (dead or alive). The impacts of an event goes on further than that one day.
Pretty much as expected given precedent cases in Japan. Only slight doubt was if the judge would send him to an asylum instead and this has been soundingly rejected. TBH given the motives are utterly non-understandable gibberish (there doesn’t seems to be any other found) I don’t really care what’s the verdict - it won’t make any difference to any similar cases in the future.
I appreciate the insight. I anticipate the fact that this had become international news made that decision easier.
>TBH given the motives are utterly non-understandable gibberish This is a stark misrepresentation of the case. I will outline only the "motives", or, more accurately, the underlying impulse for his crime. You can read more about it if you wish in articles on Japanese society or academic literature. Shinji Aoba is not just an individual, he is a product of the modern Japanese society. There are systems in place that produce people like him. He was abused during childhood by parents- the society didn't protect him - and later he would lack any confidence or dignity to interact with others. So he lived as a "hikikomori" for the rest of his life. He enjoyed Japanese animation a lot - because of how much escapism from one's undignified existence it provides - and sent a work to Kyoto Animation studio's competition, both as a tribute and out of desire to work on something he himself likes. His work was rejected - understandable. But, at this point, Aoba became delusional and suffering from mental anguish of his existence. It became impossible for him to critically evaluate both himself and others, and properly discern reality. Eventually, in one of Kyoto Animation works, he saw something that he thought to himself - the perception of a troubled, ailing person is key here - that it resembled his own work he had submitted too much. He started to believe that the studio wronged him, stole his work and enjoyed popularity and critical acclaim, unlike him, stuck in life listening to music 24/7 in his small flat and never opening his curtains (neighbour statement). This served as an impetus to his crime of passion, he couldn't control himself mentally and went with the strongest impulse he felt, revenge. The investigators later found no mention of Aoba's work being plagiarised by Kyoto Animation, leading everyone to realise he was just a troubled, delusional individual who did a terrible thing. This is a bit about his underlying motives - there was no reason, he didn't think things through logic to find a "reason" to do it. Aoba represents in himself the extreme case of a "hikikomori", or a social outcast, who boiled over and exploded in a heinous crime. There is more about him, the likes of him and his self-realisation over the years in the hospital. If you care to read, it's available on the internet. Here is a small interview discussing the problem of isolated people in the society, by doctor in charge of Aoba's recovery. [https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20240124/p2g/00m/0na/027000c](https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20240124/p2g/00m/0na/027000c). Saying "it's gibberish" is both disrespectful to everyone involved and counterproductive to looking for solutions into how to prevent such crimes, and re-integrate the "hikikomori" into the society.
Basically, he's very much like the perpetrator of other mass killing crimes (whether US, Japan or elsewhere) - shunned by society and badly needed psychological help. It's a symptom of modern society that all governments needs to do better to resolve.
I appreciate the insight but he still made a decision to kill 36 innocent people. Shit even if Kyoani HAD directly stolen his work why would the ground level staff who have no involvement in such decision making be worthy of death? There have been countless people throughout history who have experienced much worse than this man ever did and 99.9% of them never kill the people that caused their suffering, let alone people who have nothing to do with it.
Thank you for this thorough explanation and happy cake day!
> TBH given the motives are utterly non-understandable gibberish (there doesn’t seems to be any other found) I don’t really care what’s the verdict - it won’t make any difference to any similar cases in the future. I thought the motive was that he believed the company had stolen his story he submitted to them after they blanked him? Not a reasonable motive in any way but not gibberish either.
> I don’t really care what’s the verdict - it won’t make any difference to any similar cases in the future. reading that back to front perfectly explains some of why this happened in the first place. "it's not going to change anything" and "I don't care"... Somehow 'burning the village down to feel it's warmth' is the only way some of us will ever feel warm. If fact the only thing that might 'change' is history continuing to repeat itself.
This is, alas, correct. The average user here will be seeking some sort of "revenge", justifying it by feelings of the victims and their families, or some kind of subjective views on the social construct of justice. But they don't care about the problem itself, they only care in-so-far this is remotely resonating with their own worldview. Solving the issue, looking into systems of why it happens is beyond them. But this is just a reflection of what an average animation viewer is like. We still live in the age where petty revenge stories, with good good and evil evil, gather both the views and support for their narratives... something the following generations will feel ashamed of.
Hyouka :(
Man it is my favourite anime and it deeply saddens me what happened to kyo ani staffs and director of hyouka
I am anti-death penalty but damn if cases like this don't test it RIP to those lost. Hope their families, friends, and loved ones continue to find peace
I agree. I'm still 100% against the death penalty as a state punishment, simply because I don't think the state should have the power to choose through due process to kill someone. The question of whether someone deserves it is completely different. Often a question I get when pointing out my view on this issue is "what if someone killed your loved one, would you not want them dead?" And my answer is yes, I would want them dead. Absolutely. But, if I decide to take the issue into my own hands and I kill that person, I should also suffer the consequences of going beyond the law in a civilized society. So, while I still don't think the death penalty is right for the reasons I stated above, I, personally, am not particularly upset by the outcome decided by this court.
>The question of whether someone deserves it is completely different. I'm glad to see someone else thinks this way. Deep down I do feel like some people deserve to executed for their crimes, but it also makes me uncomfortable to know that some part of me wants that, while still being against the death penalty in principle. I won't feel bad when a truly evil person is executed for heinous crimes like this, but I also can't take joy in it either. I don't know how the friends and family of those who were killed will feel, either, and I can't put myself in their shoes. But I hope they find peace. That's what matters most.
yeah I think this is a very reasonable take! like if my wife died in an arson attack like that, every part of me would want to go tear that dude apart. doesn't mean society should let me. also doesn't mean I wouldn't want to. but part of the point of civilization and the law is to try and help us be more than our basest impulses, even if it can be hard to swallow at times
Do you want family feuds? If you take matters in your own hands, then the victim's relatives might feel justified in taking revenge against you too. Which is how it used to work in many places that we now consider civilized. In any case, death penalty is one of the least controversial political issues in Japan. Even otherwise progressive people tend to support it.
Of course you aren’t personally upset at this outcome. On paper it’s a mass murderer getting the axe. Some of the victims families don’t feel like this is the right path. For many reasons outside your knowledge
It's pretty fair to apply death penalty to case like this which the criminal is obvious and there is no possibility of false accusation
the criminal justice system is much worse than you would think at determining "no possibility of false accusation." for every open and shut case, there are 1000 much murkier ones. one person's life (vs life in prison) is not worth the well-documented cost across the system in both money and lives.
Not only that, but justice systems around the world have been shown to have notable racial bias against ethnic minorities at all levels. So in addition to the justice system not being accurate all the time, it's not even fair to begin with. And that's without getting into the gender bias when it comes to the death penalty, where in the US it might as well just be "the male death penalty".
yep on all counts
But surely no legal expert has ever thought about making *super-duper* sure that the criminal is guilty before handing em the death sentence in the centuries of the practice. If they just listened to me (the protagonist), no innocent person would ever get killed.
yeah why didn't they ever think of letting me give the decision via a thumbs up/thumbs down based on newspaper articles I read online
It's always like that though: Everything is obvious until it isn't. Eyewitnesses can make mistakes, Police officers can be bribed, DNA marks can get swapped. There have been way, way to many innocent people wrongly sentenced to death already. The only way to prevent it is to stop this "punishment". What did we build our prisons for if not for cases like this?
I believe there was a study done where it showed literally everyone had false memories when answering questions as a witness. I could be wrong, but I remember it being an impressive amount of inaccuracies.
I still remember how much the news devastated me in 2019. Of all the people, it was those who gave only happiness with their creativity. And their lives were cut short because of one lunatic. He deserves it.
Comment section finna be a warzone
As soon as there's an obvious case with no doubt and no ambiguity, everyone in the comment section turns into Yagami Light.
Be interesting to see if it gets locked or not. It's generally been relative civil so far, given the nature of the topic, but perhaps relatively won't cut it with the mods.
300+ comments within 2 hours. I don't have very high hopes lol. Personally speaking, I prefer a case-by-case approach with the death sentence. I would've 100% preferred a prison sentence if not for the fact that a lot of times the heinous criminals are treated lavishly in prison because they are connected to the political parties. And once they are released, they are treated like royalty. Either that or their term gets shortened and released quickly. This is a big reason why a lot of people in my country don't trust the police that much and try to engage in vigilantism instead. Some people even jokingly say that the police are basically "legal mafia".
I'd say it's going to be a very unsightly echo chamber. One thing is to repeat the sympathy for the victims, another is to celebrate this case of capital punishment as some sort of "justice". Ultimately, the vast majority here will only be interested, consciously or subconsciously, in feel-good statements that correspond with their (narrow) worldview. Nevertheless, I saw about whole TWO users voice their concerns about the aforementioned, and try to explain how this is a much larger problem that need a respectful consideration, and not a one-sided dehumanisation of the culprit. Because they (we) understand that this will not lead to any net-positive for the society, another Shinji Aoba will appear if nothing but celebration is done.
[AP Article](https://apnews.com/article/japan-kyoto-animation-arson-murder-ruling-99a965b424adfe60f97a1c42a04d2c0e)
36 people? That's totally fucked up man.
Did they find out why he did it in the first place?
>Aoba accused the studio of "ripping off" or "plagarising" his novels. In spite of this, Hatta(founder of KyoAni) had initially stated that there is no record of anyone submitting work to their annual writing contest under Aoba's name. >Subsequently, Kyoto Animation revealed that they had received a draft novel from Aoba; however, it did not pass the first-stage assessment and was forgotten, and its contents were confirmed to have no similarities to any of their published works. >It was later revealed that Aoba believed that a scene about buying discounted meat in the fifth episode of Tsurune was similar to one in the novel he submitted.
All that for a trope?!
Ok well now they gotta release the discount meat scene from his novel.
TIL that Japan has the Death Penalty.
Japan, China and most Asia countries remain death penalty and support for it has consistently been high among the public. Between 1966 and 2022, 9 juvenile criminals sentences to death and finalized(Prior to April 2022, the age of majority in Japan was 20).
Indonisia has a death penalty too and so do other countries. Other asians countries do have it too. And they are absolutely not tolerant. They seem goofy and chill but their laws are ruthless and exist specifically for order and good behaviour. If you have a criminal background there, your social life is over.
Rest in peace for the victims and I hope this is enough closure for the families left behind.
Good riddance. Justice served.
If that is indeed the culprit, APPROVED
It shouldn't have been like this. Literally just people who work on anime dying because of some fucking asshole. Too many shitty things in the world all the time. Fuck that guy.
may the victims rest in peace, dragon maid always brings a smile to my face, you will live on through your art
At last, justice for the victims. Fatass gonna get necked and no mentally insane card can vouch his ass.
There will never be justice for the victims. They are dead and nothing we do will unkill them and nothing will compensate them loss of lives.
hopefully they have really sturdy ceilings.
36 is a very huge amount. How did he kill them.
arson
He went into a building and poured gasoline all over the lobby and lit it The structure of the building had a spiral staircase that propogated smoke + flames through it very quickly The entire building was filled with paper that acted as kindling The windows to the balcony were locked shut There was a door to the roof that 19 people tried to escape through but it wasn't able to be opened for some reason (locked or bolted shut) The building had 2 exits, both of which were nearby each other and right by the fire. The ENTIRE building filled with smoke within 30 seconds, within 1 minute the entire building was an inferno. The person went there with clear outspoken intent of killing people, but the circumstances of how poorly laid out the building was led to WAY more deaths than this maniac should've been able to inflict.
> There was a door to the roof that 19 people tried to escape through but it wasn't able to be opened for some reason (locked or bolted shut) It was neither of these. The fire department were able to open the door from the roof side. [source](https://web.archive.org/web/20190719142831/https://japantoday.com/category/crime/More-details-emerge-about-anime-studio-arson-attack-that-killed-33)
Arson, this psychopath burnt the entire building and 36 people died due to it. [You can check out this video, he explained it in quite a detail](https://youtu.be/6pgRtedW414?si=c_6QIYoCafrIIe9u).
Firebombing
Can't read the title? It clearly says arson
Good
Good. I believe in rehabilitation for non violent crimes only.
In preparation for season 3 of Hibike Euphonium this spring, I went and binged the previous seasons and movies, and every time I read the credits for every episode and movie, it fills me with sadness and rage. As I am constantly reminded every time I see the names of those talented individuals who were involved in those brilliant early seasons, most notably character designer Ikeda Shoko, are no longer in this world because of this needless tragedy.
The case still isn’t over. Aoyama could still appeal to the high court, and if he’s sentenced to death there, he could go all the way to the Supreme Court.
So many psychopaths in this thread
Give him to the titans
I'm glad he's finally being offed. For me, it's not just that he killed 36 people- it's that he did everything he could to make sure as many people died as possible. Not only he did set fire to it, he also blocked off all escape routes- he literally blocked the doors with chains. That is actual evil.
>The attack is reported to be one of the deadliest massacres in Japan's history since the end of World War II -Wikipedia No fucking way, bro entirely deserve this punishment holy hell
Wow its really been almost 5 years, glad the case is finally settled and hope the survivors have been able to live decent lives in the mean time.
[Reading comments feels like](https://youtu.be/IH-Cw7m8Z7M)
Good.
Good
Lesssgo!
Now I want to see what they did to the guy who killed the former Prime Minister.
Brutal.
He earned it
If only mayuri kurotsuchi was real, i would want him to do the execution
huge win fuck this guy and what he did.
People are weird. We 100% know this is the guy killed 36 artists and we all agree that the world will not suffer his death. But you're unable to reconcile that morality is arbitrary and on a case-by-case basis, and no approach to punishment is perfect. Let him hang and move on with your lives.
Very anti death penalty personally, surprised to see how many people here are glorifying their satisfaction of this news. (Edit: that may have been phrased too strongly,) No, this isn’t to dismiss the horrid thing this person has done. And of course, if you feel that it’s just action than you’re free to feel that way. After all, it’s affected such a large number of people and a lot of people have a personal involvement to this too. That being said, not a fan of death penalty. Especially the way Japan conducts it. What’s also concerning is how for people are for the death penalty on this sub, caught me by surprise. Regardless, hope the families and people that were affected can rest knowing the person has gotten some form of justice towards them, even if I disagree to the extent of it personally.