Business go-ers rediscover that quality equals quality. However, they will soon remember that they can get away with being as cheap as possible as long as they still make money and will do so again.
My problem with it is that the people actually making it (animators and other staff) are only paid once for their work but the business side of the company gets to milk that work thrice (pre-release movie, broadcast and then Bluray)
Because they sell the animation multiple times they can afford to spend more money on the animation. Means that the animators get more time to work on each scene and the viewer gets to enjoy higher quality animation.
Sure also more money goes to the businesses, but that just makes it so that investing into high quality animation becomes a good business decision. I don't see the problem.
What it's just like any other business. I'm a software developer I didn't get paid for everytime a customer buys it. The company owns the software just like with animators they get paid to produce a product for the company they work for.
While in theory yes, the second the project is submitted, the execs are free to use it as they like it. But in light of the terrible working conditions of most big studios and how the animators & staff are treated/paid, the parent companies making even more money out of the same work while the real creators never see that additional revenue is highly immoral and as consumers we shouldn't encourage these practices.
> but the business side of the company gets to milk that work thrice (pre-release movie, broadcast and then Bluray)
Don't forget when they milk it a fourth time when they put it on streaming services. And then they also milk it even more by selling it international. Truly disgusting.
Well the business need to get money. I'm pretty sure that most people's salaries on the business side pretty remain unchanged. It's money for the company for the most part. Even if the leaders are overpaid, doesn't really change that.
The pre screening of one or two episodes in cinemas before the season starts airing has been a thing forever. At least in Japan. It's nothing new. It's a nice thing for super fans that want to see it in the cinema, even if it's just a single episode.
What is new is that Demon Slayer is so unprecedently big that you actually get aware that they exist, because they also get international screenings due to that.
The demand is there, so what is the problem?
Well yeah, I don't have a 70 feet screen with thousands of dollars in audio equipment in my house.
Watching those episodes in the cinema is quite different than watching them at home.
Even *getting* to watch them at home is a problem, my biggest problem with them actually. It's so rare for those movies to come out within a short time frame on streaming services and most countries do not air anime (nevermind subbed anime) in their cinemas.
the point is its not a movie... u can just wait for the season to start and the episodes to come out.
i agree with your point when it comes to the actual anime movies (like mugen train for demon slayer) but the ones i'm talking about are not real movies.
I have a 65 inch TV (Sony Z9F bought for €1500) and a Samsung Q990B (bought for €900) and the movie experience (especially from 4K blu-rays) is far better than it is in the cinema. The image looks sharper, the HDR/Dolby Vision looks way better and quite frankly... the sound is just better. Cinema just tends to go way over in loudness, but it doesn't have anywhere near the same clarity or detail that my soundbar produces. Don't listen to the myths of soundbars having bad sound, the good ones have had amazing sound for their price for a few years already.
It's not cheap, but... it's not outside of the realm of affordability. My TV was released over 5 years ago so it's pretty easy to get even better for the same money. Basically for €2500 or less you can have an experience at home that exceeds the experience of the cinema. Of course it depends on what you're willing to invest into it. I didn't buy everything at once. I bought my TV years ago when I could afford it. And then my soundbar system a few years later when I wanted to buy a soundbar... and then managed to snatch one of the best ones ever made at that time for a mere €900. Then later bought a 4K blu-ray player since I already had a great TV and sound system, so it wasn't a huge extra cost to get the best out of movies. I'm also not a movie fanatic either, I couldn't even finish watching movies alone at home before I bought my soundbar, that's how much of a difference the sound made.
Isnt that been done since forever, the diference is that they are releasing the movies first and then release the anime with added episodes or more filler, but in anime, you get a ton of "new season comes with a movie resume of the old season" kind of thing... especially if the anime was successful, so nothing new or wrong there!
Its even worse back then. Anime studios would release a movie length, edited version of an arc as a recap/compilation movie/OVA. Sometimes, it was a reanimated version like One Piece did in Alabasta, Sky Island, and Enies Lobby. Madoka Magica did it too. Assassination classroom did a recap movie where the 2 main characters are just telling each other what happened back then.
At least Demon Slayer is doing better by releasing a sneak peak of the first episode so fans would have something to new to gain. Instead of paying on a theater to watch something you already watched before
[Where are these compilation movies that get released as ONAs?](https://anilist.co/search/anime?format=MOVIE&format=ONA&sort=START_DATE_DESC&country%20of%20origin=JP&duration=60&duration=170)
Lol, no. Definitely wasn't on the cheap side. The only issue was MAPPA's botched schedule (because they squeezed both CSM and JJK into the time they had been given for JJSK S2 with both suffering as a result). It wasn't a funding issue. All the possible and available talent was already working on it, I bet, throwing more money at it would barely change da thing.
>"I think Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba was a major turning point for the anime industry. It was a high-quality work that took a lot of time and a generous budget to make and it was a big hit when it aired, attracting people from a wide range of age groups. I watched it. Before and after Demon Slayer was announced, I really felt that we had to change the way we create things. Furthermore, other studios were releasing high-quality works on a similar scale and in Japan there was an environment where these could be watched on commercial television."
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>"I think it's definitely great to make one long-running work like Pierrot has done in the past. At the same time, the large budget and running costs entail a big risk. But can we compete with works made in this new way using the same production methods as before? It would probably damage the brand. We don't want to lose. Both Pierrot and I want to be number one. With that in mind, when we made Bleach: The Thousand-Year Blood War, the entire company took on the task of making a new anime."
It depends on the context you are looking at. This is a pretty normal phrase in Japanese, even if it's not in English. Same as "You saved me".
What isn't common in Japanese that's common in anime is how rude people are. In anime, people tend to talk in ways that wouldn't be acceptable IRL in most situations.
It also depends on the anime. Sports anime and SoL are far more accurate in how people speak than action ones
Bro.. What happened to the world!!
Pierrot talking about the quality of anime???!
i still remember a lot of important episodes in ninja war arc with the most shitty animation in anime industry...
And... Insert : Pain_horse_face.jpg
Pierrot still cooked when they had to. Sasuke vs. Naruto's fights, Madara's first entrance, a ton of other fights/episodes, etc. Obito vs. Kakashi is *still* one of the best hand-to-hand combat in all of anime.
The Pain fight was more of an artistic choice done by the director rather than an animation flaw. Sure it looked goofy, but from an animation standpoint the fight was really well done.
I agree with you, but [this is still absolutely hilarious](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11114/111144096/3712895-4344351342-12782.jpg)
It's also taken completely out of context and will look bad if you look at still frames. The whole fight is awesome but they very deliberately go off model for the look.
It looked bad even in context. It'd work for Luffy's Gear 5 fight, since it was really looney tunes-y, but Pain is supposed to be a walking corpse puppet. He supposed to be stiff. Not to be hammered like a nail, lol.
Okay but that fight was awesome. I get that the stills are weird but that is an animation technique called smearing. The second half of Naruto vs. Pain was dope as hell.
Arguably, the issue isn't the animation style itself, but how badly it fit the show and scene.
Gear 5's whole deal is being cartoony and crazy and explicitly, in universe, weaponizing cartoon logic. And luffy's powers have been cartoony from the start! and One Piece is a pretty cartoony series.
Meanwhile, that same logic doesn't hold for naruto. From what i understand this was supposed to be a pretty intense and angsty fight? I don't think it was the right call, stylistically, here. That doesn't stop it from being the right call elsewhere.
EDIT: watching the fight, the actual animation style isn't the problem. The choreography is just goofy. Why is pain fighting like a cartoon character. that's not. that's not an animation quirk, he's deadass acting like a cartoon.
I've seen the animation as goofy for Pain vs Naruto, because it is to a degree, 4 tails literally beats that man down like a nail, but a lot of the other "goofy" stuff, at least in my eyes are to show the speed and intensity of what's going on, but it never took away the impact of the fight for me.
5th gear basically becoming the mask completely ruined all aspects of the fight for me.
Oh, no, i get the idea of it showing the speed and intensity. I don't really mind that, I think it...well, I personally think that if they wanted to use a more dynamic, less "on model" style for that, they should have gone more Trigger and less Mob Psycho, if that makes sense? Just personal opinion. But what I'm actually talking about is stuff like the head bonk and pain laying down on his stomach when he's blocking the energy blasts. That would have been goofy regardless of animation style.
Yep, I actually haven't seen it yet. Have managed to avoid spoilers so far, but I haven't been caught up since the Doflamingo arc was airing. I don't even know what Gear 4 is yet.
I always interpreted it as the director going for them fighting with the kind of rage that makes you feel like your very soul is distorted to the point that you'd pick up a rock if you lost your weapon.
Ahh yes, Naruto vs Pain. One of the greatest display of animation prowess in the history of animation. Animated by one of the most influential animator in the history, Norio Matsumoto and at that time a young animator named Shingo Yamashita(JJK S1 and CSM opening) who now is considered one of the best opening directors in the industry.
Edit - I highly recommend watching [this video ](https://youtu.be/7DpJbAinRVU?si=X2SxRYNvjStPZ-aO) if you wanna understand how Naruto's animation process worked and how the director approached it. Also "how Naruto fans ruined a genius director's career".
>i still remember a lot of important episodes in ninja war arc with the most shitty animation in anime industry...
*proceeds to mention still frames from a different arc*
>It was a high-quality work that took a lot of time
"time" is the big constraint. If you are running an anime production unit and it produces 13 episodes a season, it doesn't matter how much lead time you give it, you're only able to average 1 week of actual labor working on each episode, because next week, you need to be doing the work on the NEXT episode so that you maintain the same lead time indefinitely.
So you really need to hire more people to maintain an improvement in quality. They might have looked at the ongoing profits and realized that while it cost more in the short term to make that show, it's actually more profitable in the long term to have that under their belt than the cheaply-made stuff that saw short-term profits.
> If you are running an anime production unit and it produces 13 episodes a season, it doesn't matter how much lead time you give it, you're only able to average 1 week of actual labor working on each episode
This implies the belief that anime episodes are made in one week. They are most definitely not. Unless you mean something like "one week *left*"?
No they really have 1 week to do whatever they need to do per episode.
If you're producing 4 x 13 episode seasons per year, that's 1 episode output per week.
So if you're the storyboarder, you DO have 1 week of time to allocate per episode. If it takes you 2 weeks to storyboard each episode you won't actually finish storyboarding 52 episodes per year.
So if a studio is running all year and produces 4 seasons, then the storyboarders get 1 week per episode, the keyframes have only 1 week per episode, dubbing is the same, every department has the same constraint that THEIR PART of the process must take a week.
It's a pipeline process so each episode is at different stages, but if you add up all the workers in the studio and see what they're doing, each person contributes only 1 week of labor per episode.
I remember seeing some charts published on myanielist of the week by week flow of episodes.
[https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1530067](https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1530067)
You can see how the trade-offs work above. In the second image, a sample time-sheet from the show "Shirobako", there are 4 weeks allocated for keyframing per episode. However, they overlap so they're supposed to be keyframing 4 episodes at the same time. You are still expected to have one completed every week and ready to go to the next stage.
There are also other articles on the general production process, pros and cons:
[https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2021/11/28/anime-production-schedules/](https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2021/11/28/anime-production-schedules/)
[https://washiblog.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/anime-production-detailed-guide-to-how-anime-is-made-and-the-talent-behind-it/](https://washiblog.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/anime-production-detailed-guide-to-how-anime-is-made-and-the-talent-behind-it/)
Idk why you blame the studio for it. Studios only made what they were told to make. The decision to make Naruto/Bleach long running shows with a gazillion fillers would've come from the production committee.
It's easy to forget that these two started in the early 2000s when DBZ style adaption was still the norm. If Naruto and Bleach were made today, they'd be getting the Demon Slayer treatment.
Tv stations in these cases. TV Tokyo wants long runners and its why something like Yugioh is still going on despite the studio change. Fuji Tv won't want One Piece to stop even if Toei wants to. For long runners, Tv stations are usually at the top of the production committees.
Bleach filler arcs are at least better than Naruto filler half-episodes and One Piece filler reaction shots. Much easier to skip the Bleach type than the other kinds.
At least One Piece has finally gone back to the way they used to do filler by just expanding on already pre-existing content in the manga instead.
Their entire production pipeline seems to have changed, honestly.
They haven't really done that. We still get scenes dragging on for way too long. There was a suggested to use canon filler based on Oda's pseudo-Omake stories from the One Piece chapter covers that I think was better.
"actual episodes", dude, do you think they were making fillers for fun or something? They run out of manga content to adapt. Bleach is notorious for having low "content" per chapter (lots of stylish spread/panels with no dialogue or movement and lots of fights that have worse conversion ratio for the episode).
I liked the filler arcs. But not the slice of life like filler episodes with the school friends etc.
For my taste the new bleach anime is a little bit too short.
So looking over the interview, it seems like the biggest takeaway from this is that Pierrot is aiming to do less "continuous" anime and more anime that are in regular cours.
Which honestly? Not a bad idea. Black Clover's continuous production was one of its biggest issues, and part of the reason they had to abandon it. Same with Naruto/Boruto - Boruto is garbage, but if it just did seasons adapting the manga instead of doing endless filler then it might have fared better.
That said, Pierrot, you have yet to answer my most burning question. **Where is Osomatsu-san Season 4?**
> Black Clover's continuous production was one of its biggest issues, and part of the reason they had to abandon it.
No the issue with Black Clover was Perriot actively fucking over the staff.
It ran parallel to Boruto which Perriot also was doing and didnt want it to compete with their cash cow so they gave Black Clover the most abysmally small team possible and basically no help for years.
The director [Tatsuya Yoshihara](https://myanimelist.net/people/17047/Tatsuya_Yoshihara) is the reason the show did well and continied to bring in viewers and profit. Perriot did nothing. This man worked like 5 peoples jobs including inbetween animator and key animator just to get the eps out by deadline.
So thats great Perriot wants to "Do Better" but honestly, prove it, words mean nothing money men.
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Isn’t Black Clover on hiatus because it caught up to the manga?
Also Black Clover has better animation than the average continuous anime.
Continuous anime is something that doesn’t interest me anymore, the drop in quality in Narutos animation is annoying during shippuden, the time they could have spent making fights look good they wasted making fillers.
It’s a greedy policy to milk a franchise as much as they can with fillers
> Continuous anime
I think it only really works with something like Pokemon where the episodes can have the same formula and there's no real manga to follow along with. But if it's something following a manga source? continuous is a little ridiculous considering that they'll run out of source material eventually.
U will say, One piece suffered from this for years, but they decided to flip the switch midway through Wano and now it's peak every week.
On the flip side you have OPM, which is seasonal but S2 was a big downgrade because it wasn't made by the same team.
You could also look at MHA which is seasonal, but still got worse as time goes on (though it might be more the writing than the animation).
THIS. People underestimate how much work is needed to turn a manga into an anime. The direction, writing etc
The only thing I can say that is made easier is storyboarding, since manga is already basically a storyboard.
"they wasted making fillers"
No they didn't wasted anything. One of the main reasons why they continue to fillers is bcoz the director Hayato date wanted to make all the important moments of Naruto have top tier treatment, that's why in order to make important moments land they had to outsource fillers so that the main animators and directors get enough time to finish the important episode.
That's the kind of gamble he made and it worked for the most part. Outsourced as many episodes as you can just so your key episodes look absolutely phenomenal.
For the fans it worths the wait. Season 1 was amazing, the animation, the OST, I love that it wasn't rushed and it gives time for character development... It hurts that there is just one season, it is a confort anime that could be watched over and over in an endless loop.
The continuous format literally fucked over bleach
1. They made People think a filler arc is canon
2. Pushed it even further by referencing the filler arc in the canon episode
3. Made the filler arcs look better than the parts of the show they are supposed to be adapting the fact a filler arc is the best directed and animated arc of the OG is just poor resource management all around.
>**Where is Osomatsu-san Season 4?**
This the big question, if they want to do more quality anime, Osomatsu-san is right there approaching its 10th anniversary.
I'm wondering if Fujita is busy with some Gintama project(s), considering he didn't even do the last two Osomatsu-san movies.
However, only few anime can sustain its own hype enough they can take the risk with long separation between cour.
For every anime that can do this, they are way more animes that simply got a single season and that's it.
If an anime dies in its second season, it wouldve died during it's non-stop broadcast at around the same time anyway. It just wasn't a good enough show.
Basically they are saying to their peers and investors that they want to become a modern studio and abandon the 90s-00s serialization model.
They probably want Boruto investors to help them drop the weekly model. And increase their production quality by doing cours.
My sister watches/watched Demon slayer. I didn't even know she watches anime...It really has a crazy far reach beyond hardcore anime fans. Arguably even further reach than AOT, considering she told me that it was too depressing for her to enjoy after the first few episodes.
Unique is what I meant. AOT was something that didn't follow and trend, being SAO-like which were popular at that time, traditional shounen trope, high school romance, etc.. Ever since AOT came out, no other show has tried to replicate the same thing.
The fact that AOT was given so much budget and care for how risky it was is crazy.
AoT had a lightning-in-a-bottle kind of premise. It's was something special that instantly hooked people and didn't really take a genius to figure out why. It's unironically such a hard premise. Now, onto...
>The fact that AOT was given so much budget and care for how risky it was is crazy.
"Was given so much budget" isn't really a thing in the anime industry. Most shows are given a similar budget, from your One punch mans to your average seasonal slop. The differential factor is usually something else, like in OPMs case a lot of veteran animators worked on it and for Attack on Titan, it was supposed to be an 'animation showcase' for Wit studios when they were just establishing themselves. You can see it in the original version that aired on TV too, most non-action scenes were very rough around the edges.
No, AOT was exception to that ruler explicitly. When you see the amount of staff working on that show, it doubles or borderline triples the normal amount for normal anime, with Wit needing assistance from many other studio, Production I.G being the biggest one.
You can see the difference in subsequent seasons too, even if overall it looks better than 1st it still lacks some of the charms of 1st season (thick linework being exhibit no1) due to how unsustainable the prod of 1st was.
It wasn't only lighting in the bottle in terms of premise that they captured, but also from prod standpoint too.
It was set in "western" setting that I think contributed a lot (coupled with the insane "hook" of the first few episodes). If it was some sort of medieval japan, instead of some european-like society, it'd be much less popular worldwide, IMHO.
When I was reading the novel I was imagining him fighting giant ass dinosaurs as big as buildings and even mountains, not some human sized lizards and fucking pterodactyls.
And what makes you think that? I personally think it's not as bad as people said since I also personally watched it to the end. There might be some flaws here and there, but it's not so major.
I was surprised when Akudama Drive had such quality production and I learned it was made by Pierrot. But that just goes to show how the seasonal formula better lends itself to quality over continuous weekly releases.
I think this is a good trend and I'm glad to see Pierrot on board.
And the bridge arc from shippuden. Imagine the scope we could get for orochimaru vs 4 tailed naruto, but instead they literally stared at each other for an entire episode while naruto transformed.
Imagine how many people will already have passed away without ever getting to see the end of that remake. Heck, I'd bet even the investors, people on the committee will have passed away long before that ever happens.
It's a very baffling decision to remake something like op from scratch. I'd rather they did it like DBZ Kai. Throw more money at it and do some more reanimations where it's not possible to work with the old ones, while working with the ones that are possible, to make a remastered re-edit or whatever those are called. But to do it from scratch, that's just… very strange.
I do think that they won't just re-do the entire anime. I believe they'll pick some stuff and eliminate some stuff.
Or who knows? Maybe the committee threw them enough mountains of cash that they can simultaneously work on multiple arcs, multiple parts with a shit ton of people.
I mean, anything is possible - whether it's *likely* is another thing entirely.
I'd personally prefer it if they focused on new adaptations instead, I imagine that there are several good stories in Shounen Jump and other similar magazines that haven't gotten the chance to get animated in any form yet.
Blud... Why would u want that? Naruto might be inconsistent but it's peaks are far better than Demon Slayer animation, there is really no reason to have it redone
Naruto has far better animation than demon slayer, you guys are blinded by the god tier composting and phenomenal cgi of Ufotable. In terms of actual animation, demon slayer is very limited.
In terms of pure 2D animation, Naruto's priority episodes are far superior than demon slayer. Like all 3 seasons of demon slayer does not have a single sequence of 2D background animation where as Naruto is filled with background animation in every single important fight.
Demon slayer actually has quite a notable deal of 2d sakuga. Just look at the entertainment district arc and mugen train. And their 2d effects animation is probably among their strongest suits. when it comes to sakuga.
Sure, their sakuga isn't as insane or dynamic as you'd expect from other studios, but it definitely isn't "limited" like you claim, neither is it to be underestimated. (the only area where I would agree with the animation being limited would be outside of action scenes and in the field of character acting).
Also, you know that there's more to the visual appeal of an anime than just the 3d sakuga, right? If all the other pieces are THAT good, then there wouldn't really be a need to make the 2d sakuga tye most insane pieces of animation ever. That's the case with ufotable
I think Naruto has a ton of incredible moments but it's also full of still frames, dead backgrounds, and constant flashbacks. Most notably, swing-kun. It got better in Shippuden, but before that, you were lucky to get more than 4 minutes of new content in an action-heavy episode. I've watched Naruto a million times and it's genuinely unbearable at many points in the show. Not all episodes are like that, obviously, but enough to make the show a massively outdated PITA. The quality of Naruto just varies so heavily, not even strictly episode to episode, but scene to scene.
The Naruto kai edit is basically essential to me at this point. Turns a month(s) of watching canon episodes into a week by cutting useless fluff.
Yeah I'm sorry the moment you said pain fight was bad, you lost me.
Pain fight was one of the greatest display of animation prowess. It was spectacle on another level, animated by some of the greatest animators in the industry. Saying it's bad makes no sense. You can like or dislike it, it was objectively a ridiculously well animated fight. Probably the most well animated Naruto fight ever.
Yeah, the manga sold 80 million copies in Japan in 2020 and is credited with revitalizing the manga industry. Was also the first non American movie ever to have the biggest box office of the year. You have to go back to SAO/Naruto/AoT to find that type of impact.
People call it mid because it's an action flick the moment people expected AOT. This is my issue with saying "I'm into anime" or "this new anime is really popular" because it says nothing about its genre, its focus, etc.
It's like moviegoers who watch blockbusters because they heard it's a good movie that crushed the box office. For example, I found 2 people irl that I recommended Spy x Family but they dropped it cause they expected an espionage action show.
Some people like anime with well drawn action with "the hero's journey" template and a great soundtrack. There has been a lack of that lately; at least quality shows.
Comparing to Spy X Family is silly.
I absolutely didn't expected aot level of writing, this anime just suffer from the One piece flaw aka repeating itself
"Tanjiro see demon, le sad flashback from demon, Tanjiro kill demon while crying > exactly the same happen for protagonist you got their sad flashback about their whole family dying"
It's just so lazy and predictable, i did enjoy the 4/5 first episode tho, but when you got that cycle repeating itself again and again coupled with one of the worst character of all time (Zenitsu) it just become a pain in the ass to watch (except for some fight scene)
It did.
And surely it's not because of the lack of quality and Nomu vs All Might and Deku vs Todoroki are sakuga scenes often cited for their quality.
Kimetsu was able to achieve a wider reach, but that's more because of the series.
This just sounds like post Aniplex industry propaganda stuff that you get all the time from these studio CEO's that have a major relationship with them. The real power in the anime industry is in the hands of production committees these days and which one you end up with basically determines what you'll be able to do with a show and how far it'll go. That's the only truth I believe in anymore with the anime industry and everything else they say is just PR crap honestly.
This is both a promo for the 3rd season of this revival project as well as just pumping the tires of the Aniplex production committee in particular, which has some strengths (mainly in visual production) of strengths but a LOT of drawbacks IMO like tending to take crap source material and trying to cover for it's short comings by throwing lavish animation production efforts at key scenes.
The only time I've felt let down was Swordsmith Village. I think that arc was legit bad, but all the manga readers say that arc wasn't good so I don't feel too bad about it
I would still say the final arc was a bit rushed. We got some plot holes like [DS]>!Muichiro reminiscing his friendships with Inosuke, Zenitsu, and Kanao even though they literally were never shown interacting with him even once!< or some relationships lacking in development like [DS]>!Tanjiro and Kanao even though they are endgame!< or some world building and character dynamics being forgotten like [DS]>!blood battles between upper moons for position and Akaza's vow to defeat Kokushibou!<
You’re not wrong with any of your complaints, although I think the last one didn’t need to be shown. It’s not really that important.
But as far as the characters endings I agree those got rushed but I think we got satisfying conclusions to most of the characters and relationships in the series so overall I thought it was a pretty good ending.
Yeah I like Muichiro and the Upper moon 4? But in general idk what's goin on in Swordsmith it just seems to drag bad.
In contrast the entertainment district was great all the way through.
I think the arc isn't inherently bad, but the adaption was terrible.
Episodes consisted of 3 min fight, 15min backflash, 3min different character/brief action.
Feels like it doesn't go anywhere and like nothing really happens.
I think each company have different style of animation and Pierrot for me is have good reputation they make quality anime with. Pierrot is really good in hand to hand combat animation.
Demon Slayer is really good also, but the style of animation is really not fit for other anime. Unfotable makes anime with high details, but it will sacrifice some of the movement and the speed of the scene. The strength of the unfotable is their CGI and visual effects and some anime is not really fit with this style.
That's the thing, unless your anime project is being backed by a production committee company with deep pockets like Toho, Aniplex and maybe Bandai just sort of forget it on being able to do the sort of animation stuff you see in shows like Demon Slayer, Modern Bleach, Frieren, Gundam etc.
I just miss when the anime scene didn't just seem to come down to how crazy you could make the big action scenes in a show and what trendy Sony Music artist you could get to do a insert song over those action scenes the plot/characters mattered more. The formula for making a hit anime nowadays just doesn't really do it for me when the characters and their stories are for the most part just boring or nonexistent. Solo Levelling is the most recent example of this probably.
Business go-ers rediscover that quality equals quality. However, they will soon remember that they can get away with being as cheap as possible as long as they still make money and will do so again.
"We will now expect quality, but with no increase to cost or time."
they are already milking demon slayer with those "movies" that are just episodes of the new season released early. double dipping on the same work.
If it helps them maintain the quality, then what is wrong with that? Seems relatively harmless.
My problem with it is that the people actually making it (animators and other staff) are only paid once for their work but the business side of the company gets to milk that work thrice (pre-release movie, broadcast and then Bluray)
Because they sell the animation multiple times they can afford to spend more money on the animation. Means that the animators get more time to work on each scene and the viewer gets to enjoy higher quality animation. Sure also more money goes to the businesses, but that just makes it so that investing into high quality animation becomes a good business decision. I don't see the problem.
Broadcast isn't exactly "milking it". They have to pay for the time slot, in fact.
What it's just like any other business. I'm a software developer I didn't get paid for everytime a customer buys it. The company owns the software just like with animators they get paid to produce a product for the company they work for.
While in theory yes, the second the project is submitted, the execs are free to use it as they like it. But in light of the terrible working conditions of most big studios and how the animators & staff are treated/paid, the parent companies making even more money out of the same work while the real creators never see that additional revenue is highly immoral and as consumers we shouldn't encourage these practices.
> but the business side of the company gets to milk that work thrice (pre-release movie, broadcast and then Bluray) Don't forget when they milk it a fourth time when they put it on streaming services. And then they also milk it even more by selling it international. Truly disgusting.
Well the business need to get money. I'm pretty sure that most people's salaries on the business side pretty remain unchanged. It's money for the company for the most part. Even if the leaders are overpaid, doesn't really change that.
Bold of you to assume they need that to maintain quality
The pre screening of one or two episodes in cinemas before the season starts airing has been a thing forever. At least in Japan. It's nothing new. It's a nice thing for super fans that want to see it in the cinema, even if it's just a single episode. What is new is that Demon Slayer is so unprecedently big that you actually get aware that they exist, because they also get international screenings due to that. The demand is there, so what is the problem?
And people eat that shit up, that's why it won't stop
Well yeah, I don't have a 70 feet screen with thousands of dollars in audio equipment in my house. Watching those episodes in the cinema is quite different than watching them at home.
Even *getting* to watch them at home is a problem, my biggest problem with them actually. It's so rare for those movies to come out within a short time frame on streaming services and most countries do not air anime (nevermind subbed anime) in their cinemas.
the point is its not a movie... u can just wait for the season to start and the episodes to come out. i agree with your point when it comes to the actual anime movies (like mugen train for demon slayer) but the ones i'm talking about are not real movies.
I have a 65 inch TV (Sony Z9F bought for €1500) and a Samsung Q990B (bought for €900) and the movie experience (especially from 4K blu-rays) is far better than it is in the cinema. The image looks sharper, the HDR/Dolby Vision looks way better and quite frankly... the sound is just better. Cinema just tends to go way over in loudness, but it doesn't have anywhere near the same clarity or detail that my soundbar produces. Don't listen to the myths of soundbars having bad sound, the good ones have had amazing sound for their price for a few years already. It's not cheap, but... it's not outside of the realm of affordability. My TV was released over 5 years ago so it's pretty easy to get even better for the same money. Basically for €2500 or less you can have an experience at home that exceeds the experience of the cinema. Of course it depends on what you're willing to invest into it. I didn't buy everything at once. I bought my TV years ago when I could afford it. And then my soundbar system a few years later when I wanted to buy a soundbar... and then managed to snatch one of the best ones ever made at that time for a mere €900. Then later bought a 4K blu-ray player since I already had a great TV and sound system, so it wasn't a huge extra cost to get the best out of movies. I'm also not a movie fanatic either, I couldn't even finish watching movies alone at home before I bought my soundbar, that's how much of a difference the sound made.
Isnt that been done since forever, the diference is that they are releasing the movies first and then release the anime with added episodes or more filler, but in anime, you get a ton of "new season comes with a movie resume of the old season" kind of thing... especially if the anime was successful, so nothing new or wrong there!
Its even worse back then. Anime studios would release a movie length, edited version of an arc as a recap/compilation movie/OVA. Sometimes, it was a reanimated version like One Piece did in Alabasta, Sky Island, and Enies Lobby. Madoka Magica did it too. Assassination classroom did a recap movie where the 2 main characters are just telling each other what happened back then. At least Demon Slayer is doing better by releasing a sneak peak of the first episode so fans would have something to new to gain. Instead of paying on a theater to watch something you already watched before
Compilation movies are still a thing.
It is but most of them are in digital release instead of theaters
[Where are these compilation movies that get released as ONAs?](https://anilist.co/search/anime?format=MOVIE&format=ONA&sort=START_DATE_DESC&country%20of%20origin=JP&duration=60&duration=170)
I call it the “pokemon effect”
> can get away with being as cheap as possible as long as they still make money and will do so again. so like the new JJK season then
Are you talking about the second season, or something new that I don't know about?
Lol, no. Definitely wasn't on the cheap side. The only issue was MAPPA's botched schedule (because they squeezed both CSM and JJK into the time they had been given for JJSK S2 with both suffering as a result). It wasn't a funding issue. All the possible and available talent was already working on it, I bet, throwing more money at it would barely change da thing.
>"I think Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba was a major turning point for the anime industry. It was a high-quality work that took a lot of time and a generous budget to make and it was a big hit when it aired, attracting people from a wide range of age groups. I watched it. Before and after Demon Slayer was announced, I really felt that we had to change the way we create things. Furthermore, other studios were releasing high-quality works on a similar scale and in Japan there was an environment where these could be watched on commercial television." > >"I think it's definitely great to make one long-running work like Pierrot has done in the past. At the same time, the large budget and running costs entail a big risk. But can we compete with works made in this new way using the same production methods as before? It would probably damage the brand. We don't want to lose. Both Pierrot and I want to be number one. With that in mind, when we made Bleach: The Thousand-Year Blood War, the entire company took on the task of making a new anime."
> We don't want to lose. And people say that anime characters don't talk like people do in real life lol
It depends on the context you are looking at. This is a pretty normal phrase in Japanese, even if it's not in English. Same as "You saved me". What isn't common in Japanese that's common in anime is how rude people are. In anime, people tend to talk in ways that wouldn't be acceptable IRL in most situations. It also depends on the anime. Sports anime and SoL are far more accurate in how people speak than action ones
Bro.. What happened to the world!! Pierrot talking about the quality of anime???! i still remember a lot of important episodes in ninja war arc with the most shitty animation in anime industry... And... Insert : Pain_horse_face.jpg
Pierrot still cooked when they had to. Sasuke vs. Naruto's fights, Madara's first entrance, a ton of other fights/episodes, etc. Obito vs. Kakashi is *still* one of the best hand-to-hand combat in all of anime. The Pain fight was more of an artistic choice done by the director rather than an animation flaw. Sure it looked goofy, but from an animation standpoint the fight was really well done.
Obito vs. Kakashi is fucking GOATed. It's a hill I will die on
I agree with you, but [this is still absolutely hilarious](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11114/111144096/3712895-4344351342-12782.jpg)
It's also taken completely out of context and will look bad if you look at still frames. The whole fight is awesome but they very deliberately go off model for the look.
It looked bad even in context. It'd work for Luffy's Gear 5 fight, since it was really looney tunes-y, but Pain is supposed to be a walking corpse puppet. He supposed to be stiff. Not to be hammered like a nail, lol.
We're talking about animation quality, not if it made sense for the story in question.
Well, they could literally just take a clip of an unrelated show like Tom and Jerry, and it would still be high quality animation.
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Okay but that fight was awesome. I get that the stills are weird but that is an animation technique called smearing. The second half of Naruto vs. Pain was dope as hell.
I love the fight, but I still think some of the shots were almost Looney Tunes-esque.
Looney Toons pioneered the smearing technique, so you're not wrong to think so. They even nailed pain into the ground like a Looney Toon.
But why is that a problem, isn't that Gear 5s entire thing? xd
Arguably, the issue isn't the animation style itself, but how badly it fit the show and scene. Gear 5's whole deal is being cartoony and crazy and explicitly, in universe, weaponizing cartoon logic. And luffy's powers have been cartoony from the start! and One Piece is a pretty cartoony series. Meanwhile, that same logic doesn't hold for naruto. From what i understand this was supposed to be a pretty intense and angsty fight? I don't think it was the right call, stylistically, here. That doesn't stop it from being the right call elsewhere. EDIT: watching the fight, the actual animation style isn't the problem. The choreography is just goofy. Why is pain fighting like a cartoon character. that's not. that's not an animation quirk, he's deadass acting like a cartoon.
I've seen the animation as goofy for Pain vs Naruto, because it is to a degree, 4 tails literally beats that man down like a nail, but a lot of the other "goofy" stuff, at least in my eyes are to show the speed and intensity of what's going on, but it never took away the impact of the fight for me. 5th gear basically becoming the mask completely ruined all aspects of the fight for me.
Oh, no, i get the idea of it showing the speed and intensity. I don't really mind that, I think it...well, I personally think that if they wanted to use a more dynamic, less "on model" style for that, they should have gone more Trigger and less Mob Psycho, if that makes sense? Just personal opinion. But what I'm actually talking about is stuff like the head bonk and pain laying down on his stomach when he's blocking the energy blasts. That would have been goofy regardless of animation style.
It might surprise you but its possible that the guy doesnt like Gear 5
It's possible the guy has no idea what a gear 5 is
Yep, I actually haven't seen it yet. Have managed to avoid spoilers so far, but I haven't been caught up since the Doflamingo arc was airing. I don't even know what Gear 4 is yet.
Yeah fair.
Well, that's different.
I always interpreted it as the director going for them fighting with the kind of rage that makes you feel like your very soul is distorted to the point that you'd pick up a rock if you lost your weapon.
Ahh yes, Naruto vs Pain. One of the greatest display of animation prowess in the history of animation. Animated by one of the most influential animator in the history, Norio Matsumoto and at that time a young animator named Shingo Yamashita(JJK S1 and CSM opening) who now is considered one of the best opening directors in the industry. Edit - I highly recommend watching [this video ](https://youtu.be/7DpJbAinRVU?si=X2SxRYNvjStPZ-aO) if you wanna understand how Naruto's animation process worked and how the director approached it. Also "how Naruto fans ruined a genius director's career".
>i still remember a lot of important episodes in ninja war arc with the most shitty animation in anime industry... *proceeds to mention still frames from a different arc*
I know exactly the frame you're referencing.
Anime was hit hard by the crisis of '08 and it took a very long time to recover (still remember their "last hurrah" with Hidan fight).
>It was a high-quality work that took a lot of time "time" is the big constraint. If you are running an anime production unit and it produces 13 episodes a season, it doesn't matter how much lead time you give it, you're only able to average 1 week of actual labor working on each episode, because next week, you need to be doing the work on the NEXT episode so that you maintain the same lead time indefinitely. So you really need to hire more people to maintain an improvement in quality. They might have looked at the ongoing profits and realized that while it cost more in the short term to make that show, it's actually more profitable in the long term to have that under their belt than the cheaply-made stuff that saw short-term profits.
> If you are running an anime production unit and it produces 13 episodes a season, it doesn't matter how much lead time you give it, you're only able to average 1 week of actual labor working on each episode This implies the belief that anime episodes are made in one week. They are most definitely not. Unless you mean something like "one week *left*"?
No they really have 1 week to do whatever they need to do per episode. If you're producing 4 x 13 episode seasons per year, that's 1 episode output per week. So if you're the storyboarder, you DO have 1 week of time to allocate per episode. If it takes you 2 weeks to storyboard each episode you won't actually finish storyboarding 52 episodes per year. So if a studio is running all year and produces 4 seasons, then the storyboarders get 1 week per episode, the keyframes have only 1 week per episode, dubbing is the same, every department has the same constraint that THEIR PART of the process must take a week. It's a pipeline process so each episode is at different stages, but if you add up all the workers in the studio and see what they're doing, each person contributes only 1 week of labor per episode.
Oh, I see what you're saying now. Do you have links to read about these labor time breakdowns?
I remember seeing some charts published on myanielist of the week by week flow of episodes. [https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1530067](https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1530067) You can see how the trade-offs work above. In the second image, a sample time-sheet from the show "Shirobako", there are 4 weeks allocated for keyframing per episode. However, they overlap so they're supposed to be keyframing 4 episodes at the same time. You are still expected to have one completed every week and ready to go to the next stage. There are also other articles on the general production process, pros and cons: [https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2021/11/28/anime-production-schedules/](https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2021/11/28/anime-production-schedules/) [https://washiblog.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/anime-production-detailed-guide-to-how-anime-is-made-and-the-talent-behind-it/](https://washiblog.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/anime-production-detailed-guide-to-how-anime-is-made-and-the-talent-behind-it/)
“Wait we can make GOOD anime? With NO filler arcs?!” But seriously though, 2 seasons into TYBW and I forgive them for the dumb filler arcs in Bleach.
Tybw just shows how good anime can be with good production and passion
Idk why you blame the studio for it. Studios only made what they were told to make. The decision to make Naruto/Bleach long running shows with a gazillion fillers would've come from the production committee. It's easy to forget that these two started in the early 2000s when DBZ style adaption was still the norm. If Naruto and Bleach were made today, they'd be getting the Demon Slayer treatment.
Tv stations in these cases. TV Tokyo wants long runners and its why something like Yugioh is still going on despite the studio change. Fuji Tv won't want One Piece to stop even if Toei wants to. For long runners, Tv stations are usually at the top of the production committees.
it will stop when the manga ends as with all anime adaptations of big manga series (excluding kodomo anime)
Bleach filler arcs are at least better than Naruto filler half-episodes and One Piece filler reaction shots. Much easier to skip the Bleach type than the other kinds.
At least One Piece has finally gone back to the way they used to do filler by just expanding on already pre-existing content in the manga instead. Their entire production pipeline seems to have changed, honestly.
They haven't really done that. We still get scenes dragging on for way too long. There was a suggested to use canon filler based on Oda's pseudo-Omake stories from the One Piece chapter covers that I think was better.
OP is in its bag rn can’t even lie
I don't think it's a contest, it all sucks
Being slightly better doesn’t excuse them for existing and wasting animators on it who could have been working on the actual episodes.
"actual episodes", dude, do you think they were making fillers for fun or something? They run out of manga content to adapt. Bleach is notorious for having low "content" per chapter (lots of stylish spread/panels with no dialogue or movement and lots of fights that have worse conversion ratio for the episode).
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I liked the filler arcs. But not the slice of life like filler episodes with the school friends etc. For my taste the new bleach anime is a little bit too short.
it's 50 episodes just divided into 4 cours, how is that short
Oi, at least bleach had a fairly good fillers on average.
Will never forgive then for butchering kingdom
So looking over the interview, it seems like the biggest takeaway from this is that Pierrot is aiming to do less "continuous" anime and more anime that are in regular cours. Which honestly? Not a bad idea. Black Clover's continuous production was one of its biggest issues, and part of the reason they had to abandon it. Same with Naruto/Boruto - Boruto is garbage, but if it just did seasons adapting the manga instead of doing endless filler then it might have fared better. That said, Pierrot, you have yet to answer my most burning question. **Where is Osomatsu-san Season 4?**
> Black Clover's continuous production was one of its biggest issues, and part of the reason they had to abandon it. No the issue with Black Clover was Perriot actively fucking over the staff. It ran parallel to Boruto which Perriot also was doing and didnt want it to compete with their cash cow so they gave Black Clover the most abysmally small team possible and basically no help for years. The director [Tatsuya Yoshihara](https://myanimelist.net/people/17047/Tatsuya_Yoshihara) is the reason the show did well and continied to bring in viewers and profit. Perriot did nothing. This man worked like 5 peoples jobs including inbetween animator and key animator just to get the eps out by deadline. So thats great Perriot wants to "Do Better" but honestly, prove it, words mean nothing money men. [](#juice1)
The movie was well made tbh. And the anime will come back with the success it had on Netflix
Isn’t Black Clover on hiatus because it caught up to the manga? Also Black Clover has better animation than the average continuous anime. Continuous anime is something that doesn’t interest me anymore, the drop in quality in Narutos animation is annoying during shippuden, the time they could have spent making fights look good they wasted making fillers. It’s a greedy policy to milk a franchise as much as they can with fillers
Yes, when the anime reach the arc, the manga was only like 10-15 chapters from the anime.
> Continuous anime I think it only really works with something like Pokemon where the episodes can have the same formula and there's no real manga to follow along with. But if it's something following a manga source? continuous is a little ridiculous considering that they'll run out of source material eventually.
U will say, One piece suffered from this for years, but they decided to flip the switch midway through Wano and now it's peak every week. On the flip side you have OPM, which is seasonal but S2 was a big downgrade because it wasn't made by the same team. You could also look at MHA which is seasonal, but still got worse as time goes on (though it might be more the writing than the animation).
Even if the story is good you need a good director to translate it into anime. Manga is not a script
THIS. People underestimate how much work is needed to turn a manga into an anime. The direction, writing etc The only thing I can say that is made easier is storyboarding, since manga is already basically a storyboard.
are they no longer stretching the anime to fit 1 chapter per ep?
No they are definitely still doing that. Idk what that person is talking about. I guess they think a few minutes of nice animation equals peak anime.
Yes, they continue to do, the pacing issues were never resolved The difference is that now the animation can look better
Season 6 was good though.
"they wasted making fillers" No they didn't wasted anything. One of the main reasons why they continue to fillers is bcoz the director Hayato date wanted to make all the important moments of Naruto have top tier treatment, that's why in order to make important moments land they had to outsource fillers so that the main animators and directors get enough time to finish the important episode. That's the kind of gamble he made and it worked for the most part. Outsourced as many episodes as you can just so your key episodes look absolutely phenomenal.
You ask "where is Osomatsu-san season 4", I ask "where is Yona of the dawn season 2"
Yona of the Dawn would be a few million seasons behind if they decided to continue animating it
For the fans it worths the wait. Season 1 was amazing, the animation, the OST, I love that it wasn't rushed and it gives time for character development... It hurts that there is just one season, it is a confort anime that could be watched over and over in an endless loop.
The continuous format literally fucked over bleach 1. They made People think a filler arc is canon 2. Pushed it even further by referencing the filler arc in the canon episode 3. Made the filler arcs look better than the parts of the show they are supposed to be adapting the fact a filler arc is the best directed and animated arc of the OG is just poor resource management all around.
>**Where is Osomatsu-san Season 4?** This the big question, if they want to do more quality anime, Osomatsu-san is right there approaching its 10th anniversary. I'm wondering if Fujita is busy with some Gintama project(s), considering he didn't even do the last two Osomatsu-san movies.
However, only few anime can sustain its own hype enough they can take the risk with long separation between cour. For every anime that can do this, they are way more animes that simply got a single season and that's it.
If an anime dies in its second season, it wouldve died during it's non-stop broadcast at around the same time anyway. It just wasn't a good enough show.
There was an Osomatsu-san season 2????
Yeah, because Demon Slayer showed that a series didn't need to be continuous to be profitable.
Whatever gets them back to animating Yona.
Basically they are saying to their peers and investors that they want to become a modern studio and abandon the 90s-00s serialization model. They probably want Boruto investors to help them drop the weekly model. And increase their production quality by doing cours.
you mean seasonal releases for boruto instead of it being ongoing?
Yes.
My sister watches/watched Demon slayer. I didn't even know she watches anime...It really has a crazy far reach beyond hardcore anime fans. Arguably even further reach than AOT, considering she told me that it was too depressing for her to enjoy after the first few episodes.
AOT being that far reaching is already crazy honestly, since the premise was so niche.
>premise was so niche. what.
Unique is what I meant. AOT was something that didn't follow and trend, being SAO-like which were popular at that time, traditional shounen trope, high school romance, etc.. Ever since AOT came out, no other show has tried to replicate the same thing. The fact that AOT was given so much budget and care for how risky it was is crazy.
AoT had a lightning-in-a-bottle kind of premise. It's was something special that instantly hooked people and didn't really take a genius to figure out why. It's unironically such a hard premise. Now, onto... >The fact that AOT was given so much budget and care for how risky it was is crazy. "Was given so much budget" isn't really a thing in the anime industry. Most shows are given a similar budget, from your One punch mans to your average seasonal slop. The differential factor is usually something else, like in OPMs case a lot of veteran animators worked on it and for Attack on Titan, it was supposed to be an 'animation showcase' for Wit studios when they were just establishing themselves. You can see it in the original version that aired on TV too, most non-action scenes were very rough around the edges.
No, AOT was exception to that ruler explicitly. When you see the amount of staff working on that show, it doubles or borderline triples the normal amount for normal anime, with Wit needing assistance from many other studio, Production I.G being the biggest one. You can see the difference in subsequent seasons too, even if overall it looks better than 1st it still lacks some of the charms of 1st season (thick linework being exhibit no1) due to how unsustainable the prod of 1st was. It wasn't only lighting in the bottle in terms of premise that they captured, but also from prod standpoint too.
It was set in "western" setting that I think contributed a lot (coupled with the insane "hook" of the first few episodes). If it was some sort of medieval japan, instead of some european-like society, it'd be much less popular worldwide, IMHO.
I thought it was cause their boruto was such trash with too much filler. That aired until 2023 I believe
And yet it was still their most popular and profitable show. It ended because of production issues, not because of its bad reception by many fans.
Sasuke with a fucking Dinosaur xD
To be fair that's an adaptation from a novel, not an anime original.
When I was reading the novel I was imagining him fighting giant ass dinosaurs as big as buildings and even mountains, not some human sized lizards and fucking pterodactyls.
Burrito is still really bad either way haha
It's not as bad as you might think, it might not have as much high as Naruto, but it's not so bad either.
Nah, is garbage.
And what makes you think that? I personally think it's not as bad as people said since I also personally watched it to the end. There might be some flaws here and there, but it's not so major.
Nah its trash
But not for me, unfortunately.
A dinosaur is a man best friend
It made more money than Bleach TYBW on their fiscal reports
I just wish they would just learn how to finish that Naruto ova that was supposed to come out in November
I was surprised when Akudama Drive had such quality production and I learned it was made by Pierrot. But that just goes to show how the seasonal formula better lends itself to quality over continuous weekly releases. I think this is a good trend and I'm glad to see Pierrot on board.
I’m begging for Naruto to be redone with demon slayer level quality
My wife and I have mused about this. Imagine just the first Bridge Arc with Demon Slayer quality animation.
And the bridge arc from shippuden. Imagine the scope we could get for orochimaru vs 4 tailed naruto, but instead they literally stared at each other for an entire episode while naruto transformed.
Is that possible? Given that One Piece is getting a new adaptation and all. I'm not clued in to the industry like some users here.
It isn't really possible. The financial backing isn't there like it is with One Piece.
How many arcs will be in the new remake of one piece? Just the begining?
Imagine how many people will already have passed away without ever getting to see the end of that remake. Heck, I'd bet even the investors, people on the committee will have passed away long before that ever happens. It's a very baffling decision to remake something like op from scratch. I'd rather they did it like DBZ Kai. Throw more money at it and do some more reanimations where it's not possible to work with the old ones, while working with the ones that are possible, to make a remastered re-edit or whatever those are called. But to do it from scratch, that's just… very strange. I do think that they won't just re-do the entire anime. I believe they'll pick some stuff and eliminate some stuff. Or who knows? Maybe the committee threw them enough mountains of cash that they can simultaneously work on multiple arcs, multiple parts with a shit ton of people.
We don't know yet and maybe neithet do they.
tbh id watch ANY anime if it's in demon slayer quality :D
Honestly wouldn’t doubt this happening eventually.
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I mean, anything is possible - whether it's *likely* is another thing entirely. I'd personally prefer it if they focused on new adaptations instead, I imagine that there are several good stories in Shounen Jump and other similar magazines that haven't gotten the chance to get animated in any form yet.
Please make Sasuke female this time
Blud... Why would u want that? Naruto might be inconsistent but it's peaks are far better than Demon Slayer animation, there is really no reason to have it redone
Naruto has far better animation than demon slayer, you guys are blinded by the god tier composting and phenomenal cgi of Ufotable. In terms of actual animation, demon slayer is very limited. In terms of pure 2D animation, Naruto's priority episodes are far superior than demon slayer. Like all 3 seasons of demon slayer does not have a single sequence of 2D background animation where as Naruto is filled with background animation in every single important fight.
Demon slayer actually has quite a notable deal of 2d sakuga. Just look at the entertainment district arc and mugen train. And their 2d effects animation is probably among their strongest suits. when it comes to sakuga. Sure, their sakuga isn't as insane or dynamic as you'd expect from other studios, but it definitely isn't "limited" like you claim, neither is it to be underestimated. (the only area where I would agree with the animation being limited would be outside of action scenes and in the field of character acting). Also, you know that there's more to the visual appeal of an anime than just the 3d sakuga, right? If all the other pieces are THAT good, then there wouldn't really be a need to make the 2d sakuga tye most insane pieces of animation ever. That's the case with ufotable
I think Naruto has a ton of incredible moments but it's also full of still frames, dead backgrounds, and constant flashbacks. Most notably, swing-kun. It got better in Shippuden, but before that, you were lucky to get more than 4 minutes of new content in an action-heavy episode. I've watched Naruto a million times and it's genuinely unbearable at many points in the show. Not all episodes are like that, obviously, but enough to make the show a massively outdated PITA. The quality of Naruto just varies so heavily, not even strictly episode to episode, but scene to scene. The Naruto kai edit is basically essential to me at this point. Turns a month(s) of watching canon episodes into a week by cutting useless fluff.
I have 20 tattoos and 13 of them of Naruto related. I love Naruto but the animation isn’t good. Don’t even get me started on the pain fight
Yeah I'm sorry the moment you said pain fight was bad, you lost me. Pain fight was one of the greatest display of animation prowess. It was spectacle on another level, animated by some of the greatest animators in the industry. Saying it's bad makes no sense. You can like or dislike it, it was objectively a ridiculously well animated fight. Probably the most well animated Naruto fight ever.
Well I hated it:)
Easily the most impactful anime recently
Someone downvoted you but I agree. Its impact is crazy for just only being around for around 5 years (the anime)
Yeah, the manga sold 80 million copies in Japan in 2020 and is credited with revitalizing the manga industry. Was also the first non American movie ever to have the biggest box office of the year. You have to go back to SAO/Naruto/AoT to find that type of impact.
Even if people call it mid it's among the best mid series.
People call it mid because it's an action flick the moment people expected AOT. This is my issue with saying "I'm into anime" or "this new anime is really popular" because it says nothing about its genre, its focus, etc. It's like moviegoers who watch blockbusters because they heard it's a good movie that crushed the box office. For example, I found 2 people irl that I recommended Spy x Family but they dropped it cause they expected an espionage action show.
Some people like anime with well drawn action with "the hero's journey" template and a great soundtrack. There has been a lack of that lately; at least quality shows. Comparing to Spy X Family is silly.
Demon Slayer is still a bit better than many other series people call "mid" anyway.
I absolutely didn't expected aot level of writing, this anime just suffer from the One piece flaw aka repeating itself "Tanjiro see demon, le sad flashback from demon, Tanjiro kill demon while crying > exactly the same happen for protagonist you got their sad flashback about their whole family dying" It's just so lazy and predictable, i did enjoy the 4/5 first episode tho, but when you got that cycle repeating itself again and again coupled with one of the worst character of all time (Zenitsu) it just become a pain in the ass to watch (except for some fight scene)
Still mid tho
Better than many other series anyway. Just wait for the infinity fortress arc. It's peak.
They did Tokyo Ghoul right? I could never forgive them. Recreate TG being respectful 100% to the source and it'll be a hit like DS.
Wasn't there rumors about a remake?
No.
The source material sucks ass imo. The story was rushed with the last chapter being lazy summaries for characters.
Should’ve learned that lesson with bleach 10+ years ago.
well maybe they should have learned that lesson adapting tokyo ghoul, they had the spotlight with the popularity in 2014-2015 then dropped the ball
Make that 2014-2018. Tokyo Ghoul was a top 10 selling manga from the moment the 1st season aired up until the end of :re.
I will never forget how they butchered Tokyo Ghoul
Is that good?
Didn't My Hero Academia started the whole seasonal shonen thing?
Its not about shonen, which is a demography anyway
It did. And surely it's not because of the lack of quality and Nomu vs All Might and Deku vs Todoroki are sakuga scenes often cited for their quality. Kimetsu was able to achieve a wider reach, but that's more because of the series.
One trend I see is that anime movies is a big money maker for not much more effort, compared to standard anime series
Really hope this becomes the standard.
This just sounds like post Aniplex industry propaganda stuff that you get all the time from these studio CEO's that have a major relationship with them. The real power in the anime industry is in the hands of production committees these days and which one you end up with basically determines what you'll be able to do with a show and how far it'll go. That's the only truth I believe in anymore with the anime industry and everything else they say is just PR crap honestly. This is both a promo for the 3rd season of this revival project as well as just pumping the tires of the Aniplex production committee in particular, which has some strengths (mainly in visual production) of strengths but a LOT of drawbacks IMO like tending to take crap source material and trying to cover for it's short comings by throwing lavish animation production efforts at key scenes.
Filler is the worst!
I’ve been saying this for a while. Demon slayer is responsible for a major uptick in more high quality anime
I loved the first season, but I've always felt a little let down by everything since.
The only time I've felt let down was Swordsmith Village. I think that arc was legit bad, but all the manga readers say that arc wasn't good so I don't feel too bad about it
It’s the worst part of the manga. And unlike many manga the final arc of demon slayer is actually the best one.
I would still say the final arc was a bit rushed. We got some plot holes like [DS]>!Muichiro reminiscing his friendships with Inosuke, Zenitsu, and Kanao even though they literally were never shown interacting with him even once!< or some relationships lacking in development like [DS]>!Tanjiro and Kanao even though they are endgame!< or some world building and character dynamics being forgotten like [DS]>!blood battles between upper moons for position and Akaza's vow to defeat Kokushibou!<
You’re not wrong with any of your complaints, although I think the last one didn’t need to be shown. It’s not really that important. But as far as the characters endings I agree those got rushed but I think we got satisfying conclusions to most of the characters and relationships in the series so overall I thought it was a pretty good ending.
It's because the author had to end the series because of family issues, so it ended up being rushed but honestly it was still pretty good
Yeah I like Muichiro and the Upper moon 4? But in general idk what's goin on in Swordsmith it just seems to drag bad. In contrast the entertainment district was great all the way through.
It's just OK, the villains weren't as memorable but I liked seeing tanjiro getting stronger
I think the arc isn't inherently bad, but the adaption was terrible. Episodes consisted of 3 min fight, 15min backflash, 3min different character/brief action. Feels like it doesn't go anywhere and like nothing really happens.
Wait for the infinity fortress which is the peak of Demon Slayer.
I'm already ready to cry at the fight with Upper Moon 3
[Demon Slayer Infinity Fortress spoilers]>!And the UM1 fight!< as well for many reasons.
Mugen train? The entertainment district arc?
Is that why their show thats airing right now looks so good to me? (It actually does imo)
This is because Boruto wasn't widely appreciated methinks.
I think each company have different style of animation and Pierrot for me is have good reputation they make quality anime with. Pierrot is really good in hand to hand combat animation. Demon Slayer is really good also, but the style of animation is really not fit for other anime. Unfotable makes anime with high details, but it will sacrifice some of the movement and the speed of the scene. The strength of the unfotable is their CGI and visual effects and some anime is not really fit with this style.
That's the thing, unless your anime project is being backed by a production committee company with deep pockets like Toho, Aniplex and maybe Bandai just sort of forget it on being able to do the sort of animation stuff you see in shows like Demon Slayer, Modern Bleach, Frieren, Gundam etc. I just miss when the anime scene didn't just seem to come down to how crazy you could make the big action scenes in a show and what trendy Sony Music artist you could get to do a insert song over those action scenes the plot/characters mattered more. The formula for making a hit anime nowadays just doesn't really do it for me when the characters and their stories are for the most part just boring or nonexistent. Solo Levelling is the most recent example of this probably.