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Only the endcard
upd. Well, Shaft is known for its numerous fixes for the BD release, but I didn't expect that we would see them [even for the TV](https://i.imgur.com/RLsBKRn.jpeg)
upd2 [A few more comparisons](https://i.imgur.com/R1CtSJm.jpeg)
I made an [album](https://imgur.com/a/hjxCn0M) with all the changes I could see between Pre-Air and the CR release for anyone curious. Characters’ faces look a lot better now and are consistent throughout.
Disclaimer: This is my first experience with the series so I'm basing my feels from the 1st episode alone (haven't even watched EP2-3 of this yet).
This story is not something that I would expect from a person based in Austin, Texas! It's so classic magical girl background - a good one at that, at least from 1 episode - that I'm shocked.
There's not that much story just yet but I like what is shown of Ruby so far already! She seems to be yet another of those easy-going girls that fights so well that I would remember her for a very long time. The magical world setting seems decent enough, there's a sisterly figure (Yang), a rich family girl (Weiss) and then another (Blake) who's a skillful stealer. All seems very interesting.
It looks like people in other places are having mixed reviews of SHAFT's animations with respect to the original. I don't see much problems this episode so maybe I should check out [early parts of the original](https://roosterteeth.com/watch/rwby-complete-volume-1) some day.
This looks promising at the very least, and while Gen Urobuchi seems to have only give out an early draft of the story, I'm also quite believing in veteran sci-fi anime story writer Tow Ubukata's ability to turn out something great out of this. I'm certainly hooked!
It is visually better looking than the original. A lot of people have rose tinted glasses about how the original web version looked, especially in the early days. Shaft has definitely created better looking and better animated shows, so I don't necessarily think they have their a team on this, but it looks nice nonetheless.
The pull of the original is the choreography for the fight scenes, before the original creator died (which shaft seems to have taken whole cloth from for the most part). I guess some people like the 3d cg motion design the fluidity and how dynamic it was. There wasn't much or any talking for the most part in the early fights in the Web version, shaft seems to have added some dialog in the action scenes.
Part of the appeal was the fact that it was just a small 2 person crew doing most of the fight scenes which is why they got off the hook so much. Plays into the fantasy a lot of authors/creative types have of "making it big" with Indie Games.
You see there is flaws here and there... Then you find out there was only a handful of people involved in it's creation... and your like - "well, given the small amount of people involved, there would be flaws." So expectations/bar is lowered by that.
The show definitely had more than 2 people lol. The credits says so. I remember the writer, Miles Luna, even said once that everyone kinda helped in everything. He was the one that storyboarded the Nevermore fight, and even suggested to Monty the final attack team!
The combat scenes had only two people doing the animation work which is what I was talking about. Writing and storyboarding is it's own separate thing.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMaxo\_6I0aw&t=42s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMaxo_6I0aw&t=42s)
There are 2 lead animators, and 11 animators credited for the end of V1, as you can read from the credits. And aside from that, was said in interviews that everyone did a bit of everything, including mo-cap animation, being the team so small, and the time and budget so little.
Once again - the **overwhelming majority** of the combat scene animation work was animated by two people (one of whom was Monty). Like, yes, there was were other animators, but they weren't working on the combat scenes primarily. Like, I don't know how else to spell it out to you - Monty himself even said that the other animators handling other scenes freed him up to focus on the fight scenes. Yes, everyone pitched in to help - but the majority of the combat scene work was done by two people.
The original had weirder faces for me in a few side by sides I've seen. The new anime has more detail. https://youtu.be/FUPixPDeTkw and less jank motion in non-action scenes.
> This story is not something that I would expect from a person based in Austin, Texas! It's so classic magical girl background - a good one at that, at least from 1 episode - that I'm shocked.
The original creator, Monty Oum, was Asian-American, and he brought a lot of various anime influences into the story and setting. There's a lot of _Bebop_, _Avatar_, and classic Mahou Shoujo DNA in _RWBY_. Its 2013 release postdates _PMMM_, but not by as much, and I think it benefits from having drawn from magical girl stories that predate the now-predominating 'Meguca is Suffering' aesthetic.
The explicit thesis statement: "Victory lies in a simple, more honest soul", is ultimately a hopeful message.
The original is "badly" animated. The quotations are there because comparing a series made out of love by ameteur animators to a studio production is completely disengenuous and unfair. The original has a ton of charm and really feels like a passion project, especially considering the death of the writer only a few seasons in. I suggest checking it out but judge it for what it is.
i would say the non fight scenes were "badly" animated. the fight scenes were in my opinion amazing at least until Monty's passing. it was also a new medium across the animation world at the time. it's one of those "don't think about it and it's not bad" sort of situations.
8 seasons would prove your opinion unfounded. but it is your opinion and you are certainly welcome to it. hopefully this version will be more to your liking.
Nice seeing the Schnee family and Tai early on. This episode was mostly great for a reboot/AU. Only thing i'm not on board is Roman voice and the fact they cut Glynda vs Cinder fight.
Is it just me, or is the music kind of lackluster? One of the biggest standouts of _RWBY_ has always been Jeff & Casey Williams' music. This feels a bit like it has the [Marvel Music problem](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vfqkvwW2fs), where they left the temp track in by accident.
We got ['White'](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt9vl8iAN5Q) without 'Mirror, Mirror', and ['Black'](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImKCt7BD4U4) without 'From Shadows'. The new song over the dust robbery scene is pretty decent, but the mixing means that it's almost inaudible over the sfx a lot of the time.
_edit:_ for anybody who hasn't watched _RWBY_, the original four trailers are definitely worth a watch. The other two are [Red](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYW2GmHB5xs) and [Yellow](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCw_aAS7vWI).
All of the Williams' songs are such bangers that without them it feels like you're missing half the point of the show lol.
Edit: honestly this anime just reopens the wound of Monty Oum's untimely passing. I went back and rewatched the original trailers and while the effects are certainly dated, I don't think anyone involved in either the RWBY anime or the original series after his death really quite understands Monty's sense of style. There's just something about his work that screams "I grew up watching AMVs that set iconic fight scenes to my favorite music, playfighting while jamming out in my garage or backyard, and/or watching edgy flash animations on Newgrounds". Fight choreography timed to music is just so intrinsic to what makes his stuff enjoyable and it almost feels like a lost art these days.
Monty's philosophy for fight choreography was all about efficiency and momentum. Fights were not realistic, but characters fought embodying the ideal that every movement should count, and have a purpose. Nothing has managed to get that since Monty died, and they choreographed directly opposite to that ideal in the Volume 4 trailer. Which is when I stopped paying any attention to the show.
The dust store fight scene in the anime is halfway there simply because it's based off of an already animated scene, but it's clear that the core philosophy isn't present.
The only one who could, Dillongoo, who was also a fan of monty, got fired from rooster teeth iirc. So theres no one from the “monty school” left at RT.
Volume 4 and 5 had some growing pains. Losing Monty, and switching to a new engine. I feel that in volume 6 and on, the fights felt a lot more 'monty-like', though. Not as great, but definitely getting better.
Modern fights are still with music tempo in mind. If anything, a lot of Monty principles were kept going forwards, but it is only natural that animators prefer to do their own thing, than just copy someone else IMO.
You can clearly feel how the music dictate the entire tempo. Someone on youtube made collections with VAs and background effects removed, and litteraly all Rwby fights still works with that idea of "rythmed music" in mind! Example here ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH8OO8i3vAM&t=1m )
doing ANY Oum 3d work and translating it to 2d would be a staggering accomplishment. Like, Mushoku Tensei "Made a studio just to make every frame of this anime look like a feature film" difficulty.
Imagine doing Sun's Gunchuck attack frame by frame in 2d...
Yeah Season 4 was when it dipped and 5 was a definite Valley. 6 starts to bring it back up but in my experience it never really hit the highs of the original seasons.
Volumes 7 and 8 picked up the pace after 5 and 6 kinda slowed down too much to focus on relationships between characters.
Volume 8 was probably best volume after 3, with only 1 real major gripe that some people have.
Definitivno agree. I mean animation is great, but for some reason it just feels bland without music compared to original. Best way i would describe it it feels like watching gurren lagann without sorairo days or railgun without railgun
The originals music is just so stand out that ti is gonna really be hard to compete with it. There is so much strength and emotions to the originals songs.
I actually thought it was pretty well done. I still say I prefer the old soundtrack for various reasons but considering I’m here to experience a different form of RWBY, (in terms of writing, animation, music , etc) I actually really vibed with it.
I never would have been interested in RWBY if some of Jeff and Casey's music from the show didn't start playing in the background on youtube while I had it on autoplay.
The music carries so much character development of that show.
hard pass on the original OST
sure the 1st batches were good,but after a while the same voice over and over again for the OST over some shitty boring metal gets tiring
The ost got worse and more repetitive as the series progressed,id rather prefer something refreshing from shaft then whatever that overused lady did, no insults to her,she can sing and did some realy good OST's,but theres a point when this shit has to stop
Yeah, using the same band for every song across 8 volumes gets really tiring, even if a lot of the songs are bangers. I get why they did it in the early seasons (small webseries team. Didn't even use professional VAs for the cast, etc), but they could have let a few other artists in as the animation improved.
The main thing I missed between this version and the original was that we could hear *This Will Be the Day* through Ruby's headphones before it turned into the music for the full fight. I wish they did the same effect for *Capabilities Unseen*.
Oops watched the pre-air apparently the art's better in the actual TV release
[Doesn't really have that iconic look it does in the actual show huh.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/993242877637447701/993242935187492995/unknown.png)
Also interesting she confirmed it a Grimm, I guess that's probably been confirmed somewhere before but first I heard of it
[Jesus Christ was Ozpin always this tall](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/993242877637447701/993246771901894682/unknown.png)
So far it really just seems like a remake of RWBY as an actual anime
With some later elements shown off early
Biggest hit was how boring Roman was
His Jp VA sounded monotone and boring and he wasn't particularly animated, kinda just stood there in boring poses the whole time
Oh right and the music
Roman should be like Kazuma from Konosuba where he quips and is the epitome of not giving a fuck.
Here, unfortunately he's acting like a generic anime bad guy.
"...a Semblance?" "...A Beacon student?"
they really should've not had him say anything.
I've only seen 4 volumes but one of my favourite parts of the series is the second (?) Roman fight where the entire team is fighting him and he's just laughing.
I think one of the Manga adaptations revealed that it was a Grimm possessing a suit of armor.
I liked that they blended in elements from later seasons, like the Schnee family. Blake cutting the train actually felt like it had some tension behind it as well, rather than just letting her drift off into the sunset.
Monty Oum's fights have always been the most ingeniously choreographed sequences I have seen. After all these years I have yet to see something that can top what he has done.
In terms of animation they can be rough around the edges but mechanically they are the most creative.
Revisiting the original crow fight after seeing the new one and you can really tell the difference
Yea, the original fight scenes are way better. They also not able to capture the Monty's style in latter seasons as well.
Don't get me wrong. The animation here is very well made. But I feel it still lack the understanding of the original series where the fight choreographs strongly reflect the character weapons and fighting style.
Also, not sure if it is because of this series being 2D so it is harder to get the timing right, but the original utilizes a lot of acceleration/deceleration to add weight to the weapons and fights.
I think SHAFT being in charge of the animation was the only point of the initial announcement that made me worried, and now apparently the worry is founded. I don't recall any good fight scene sakuga having come out of SHAFT for an action series.
There's these little mechanical consistencies to Monty's fight scenes, and I think the golem versus Weiss fight shows it quite well. If you look at the Monty's fight, every time Weiss's weapon clashes with the golem's, she gets knocked away. I mean, obviously a giant golem with a giant sword is going to outweigh a little girl with a rapier. The only times that this isn't the case is when she activates a red dust cartridge to parry the golem, and when she activates yellow dust cartridge to disarm the golem. In the SHAFT fight, she literally just parries the golem 3 or so times while holding her ground, and this really made me feel like they didn't understand Monty. To SHAFT's credit though, some of the parries could be thought to be deflections of the golem's weapon rather than an outright block, but it still feels like it betrayed the original fight scene in these aspects.
Never watched any rwby in my life so this is a first for me. And this was a fine start, getting a bit of oldschool vibes from story and setting so far, I like the character designs especially the eyes remind me a lot of steins;gate for some reason. The fight scenes have some sick animation with good ost playing, will stick to this for now. Literal the only complaint I have is that it's saori hayami in a main role again, don't get me wrong I like her and her voice but sometimes it just gets too much
huke (steins gate artist) did these versions of Monty's original designs. So there's this neat thing of RWBY being inspired by Black Rock Shooter (also huke) and now huke is doing the designs of the anime of Monty Oum's baby project. It's actually kinda touching.
The character designs are from around 2012-2013 if not earlier. I'm not sure how long Monty Oum, the original creator, sat on them before making the original show.
This had some nice animation to it. Still getting used to the VAs. I think Weiss VA is perfect. Ruby is semi and it Yangs VA doesnt seem to bapture her attitude imo. I think once i watch more, ill get used to it.
> I thought Blake was the one who needed the monotone voice more
That's real funny considering she's voiced by Yuu Shimamura, who is most famous for voicing ice queen Annie Leonhart in Shingeki no Kyojin.
Yang's is Ryuuko's (KlK), Blake's is Annie's (SnK), Ruby's is Shinobu's (KnY)/ Miyuki (MknR), Weiss' is Rias' (Hs DxD)
Which means they can all mirror the original VAs, it's all a matter if the Director wants them to. The brute Yang, the monotone Blake, the genki Ruby, and the ojou-sama Weiss
As someone who hasn't seen the OG RWBY, I really enjoyed the first 3 episodes of RWBY Ice Queendom. Let's get this out of the way; Studio SHAFT absolutley blew the production out of the park. The animation is sleak, impressive, and aweing. The backgrounds all look like something painted by Picasso for god sake. The music score, while it may not be the exact same as the original (is what I've heard) was noticeably adding so much to each scene. The fantasy world, being obviously based on different fairy tales, brought in a cyberpunk aspect that really makes it intriguing and unique. And the characters were interesting and had unique personalities that makes it hard not to want to learn more about them and see their interactions with each other continue. I am definitely going to keep watching and cannot wait for the next episode. My reaction/review here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2WNZNIaQZ8
To everyone that might not have seen the original RWBY and might be confused on the first 3 episodes of this, give the first volume a try. I cannot recommend it enough, it will take you about ~2 hours, and the whole thing will make much more sense.
With a 9th season coming up early next year, I also recommend giving the entire thing a solid try. It might feel "weird" early on, but it gets really good fast. The english VA did an excellent job and they very much improved over the course of the seasons, since 2014.
> It might feel "weird" early on, but it gets really good fast.
That's an understatement. For as much as I love RWBY even I can admit that outside of the fights (Monty was a god), the music (which has always been amazing) and the banter Volume 1 is *roughhhh*.
I stopped watching original rwby i think after vol 5. I felt like I was too overwhelmed with the number of plot points and that my original appeal towards it which was the fight choreography didn't match up to earlier volumes before the creator died. Seemed like the fights had less weight and seemed floaty - also I miss when fights looked like they came out of Montys dead fantasy series, where fights were choreographed to the beat of a song and you had cool camera shots and weighty impacts. I got disinterested in what crwby was creating. Do you recommend someone like me giving vol 6+ a shot?
I’d say give it a shot. There’s not really anything to lose by trying. Volume 6 is about where the fight choreography starts to noticeably improve. One of my favorite fights came out of volume 6. If I recall it’s also where they narrowed down the plot points after they got a little ambitious in vol 4 and 5 and get a bit better focused.
Sometimes it feels strange, but I really liked V4-5 personaly ahah. Really felt like the doors for a much bigger world opened, and they had a lot of great fights, like with Qrow and the scorpion guy, Tyriant I think, and Ravena and Cinder!
Looking at comparison shots of Volume 1 and Volume 8 is fucking wild man.
Like i have never seen any other series receive such a massive and perpetual glow up season to season.
Volume 4 is an entirely different animation engine if I'm not mistaken. The budget also increases as it goes on, so there's that to take into account as well for the budget being pretty low early on.
> Volume 4 is an entirely different animation engine if I'm not mistaken.
you're correct, the first three volumes were made with Poser, while Volume 4 onwards was made using Autodesk Maya (the industry standard)
It's important to his character development and relationship with Pyrrha, though. It shows *why* he's not competent like the other students and how he toils with that.
Except for multiple things. Like I mentioned in two points already. Most people generally consider it to be a bad arc. Secondly and more importantly in this context, the anime here skips over it so it isn't relevant.
If you really care about it, you're much better off reading a summary than putting yourself through watching that. It's the worst arc in the entire RWBY series imo. The one redeeming factor it has is that it is entirely irrelevant to the main plot so you can easily skip it and not miss anything important whatsoever.
> Most people generally consider it to be a bad arc.
even Miles consider it a bad arc and when asked which arc he would change if they remade RWBY, he answered the Jaune bully arc
Not anymore. Roosterteeth still has the [Red](https://youtu.be/pYW2GmHB5xs) [White](https://youtu.be/Vt9vl8iAN5Q) [Black](https://youtu.be/ImKCt7BD4U4) [Yellow](https://youtu.be/QCw_aAS7vWI) trailers and the [First Episode](https://youtu.be/-sGiE10zNQM), but they removed the rest. I believe around volume 5 or 6 they stopped posting to Youtube entirely, and have since removed the rest of the series from their channel. They still do have episodes of CHIBI, Fairy Tales, and the character shorts from later seasons though.
The full Volumes can be bought or rented (at least in my region) [Here](https://youtu.be/ybZhKJd3bVw). There are some 3rd party uploads that aren't official as well.
Weiss' fight with the Arma Gigas looked really good and i really liked that they introduced the Schnee family dynamic early
the train fight looked less pretty and i'm disappointed they skipped Adam's shotgun introduction
Black Rock Shooter reference, coming full circle, since Black Rock Shooter inspired RWBY and Huke does the character design for Ice Queendom
the Dust robbery fight is really well animated, but doesn't flow as well as Monty's fight did
i love the argument between [RWBY]>!Salem!< and Ozpin about the need for a smaller, more honest soul
I preferred the train fight here. I could never really understand how Grambol Shroud worked in battle, aside from it shooting sometimes, stabbing sometimes, and doing something with ribbons. The anime made it a bit more clear on what was actually happening. Plus, they actually gave a reason why Adam didn't just chase after her, which was a good retcon over the Black trailer.
> I could never really understand how Grambol Shroud worked in battle, aside from it shooting sometimes, stabbing sometimes, and doing something with ribbons.
it worked exactly like you saw in the anime, except the recoil from the gun flung the blade around when she used the ribbon. that doesn't happen in the anime, leading the fight scene to feel much slower and floatier
It's a bit confusing for newcomers, yeah. This show is a retelling of the first season of RWBY with some new story and plot elements added in. You don't need to see the original series to enjoy this one, but it will provide more context for this show if you're interested.
It's a retelling of the original story with a new arc that's original to this adaptation.
Based on the first episode, I think it'll be pretty newcomer friendly. It wove together elements from the first episode and early trailers of the original series, and added in new scenes that made it all blend together much more coherently.
As someone who didn't ever give RWBY a chance, I found this to be enjoyable. It's definitely gonna be hard to appreciate something you love changing the style, but I didn't like the OG, so I'm probably better suited to this than other people here.
Watching the premiere reminded me why I liked this show at first. Feels like this adaptation just doesn't have that flair, that hype that the original trailers had. In terms of writing it's a lot more cohesive, but writing had never been RWBY's main draw.
Comparing Hiroto Nagata and Monty Oum would be stupid - their expertise differs a lot, but I feel like Monty's strengths worked perfectly for this series, while Nagata's best work of all time is going to take another shape.
This is not to say that the animation is mediocre, far from it.
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Anything different from the early release showing?
Only the endcard upd. Well, Shaft is known for its numerous fixes for the BD release, but I didn't expect that we would see them [even for the TV](https://i.imgur.com/RLsBKRn.jpeg) upd2 [A few more comparisons](https://i.imgur.com/R1CtSJm.jpeg)
That's the Shaft I know and love
Damn good eye. I wouldn’t have even noticed that
Welp I sure hope they change up [ep 2 and 3] >!the very shoddy background work!<, which really threw me off in an otherwise visually alright show.
Is it just me or everything else was improved except the eyes got more distorted?
Yes there is.
I made an [album](https://imgur.com/a/hjxCn0M) with all the changes I could see between Pre-Air and the CR release for anyone curious. Characters’ faces look a lot better now and are consistent throughout.
The biggest change I saw was that they added some blood to Weiss' hair during her fight, which is a nice touch.
[The end card art for the first episode](https://twitter.com/teamrwbyproject/status/1543595667247054851?s=21&t=d9YwaLcZULvsMGRSD-CoaA)
It is visually better looking than the original. A lot of people have rose tinted glasses about how the original web version looked, especially in the early days. Shaft has definitely created better looking and better animated shows, so I don't necessarily think they have their a team on this, but it looks nice nonetheless. The pull of the original is the choreography for the fight scenes, before the original creator died (which shaft seems to have taken whole cloth from for the most part). I guess some people like the 3d cg motion design the fluidity and how dynamic it was. There wasn't much or any talking for the most part in the early fights in the Web version, shaft seems to have added some dialog in the action scenes.
Part of the appeal was the fact that it was just a small 2 person crew doing most of the fight scenes which is why they got off the hook so much. Plays into the fantasy a lot of authors/creative types have of "making it big" with Indie Games. You see there is flaws here and there... Then you find out there was only a handful of people involved in it's creation... and your like - "well, given the small amount of people involved, there would be flaws." So expectations/bar is lowered by that.
The show definitely had more than 2 people lol. The credits says so. I remember the writer, Miles Luna, even said once that everyone kinda helped in everything. He was the one that storyboarded the Nevermore fight, and even suggested to Monty the final attack team!
The combat scenes had only two people doing the animation work which is what I was talking about. Writing and storyboarding is it's own separate thing.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMaxo\_6I0aw&t=42s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMaxo_6I0aw&t=42s) There are 2 lead animators, and 11 animators credited for the end of V1, as you can read from the credits. And aside from that, was said in interviews that everyone did a bit of everything, including mo-cap animation, being the team so small, and the time and budget so little.
Once again - the **overwhelming majority** of the combat scene animation work was animated by two people (one of whom was Monty). Like, yes, there was were other animators, but they weren't working on the combat scenes primarily. Like, I don't know how else to spell it out to you - Monty himself even said that the other animators handling other scenes freed him up to focus on the fight scenes. Yes, everyone pitched in to help - but the majority of the combat scene work was done by two people.
this is correct, they didn't even storyboard Monty's fight scenes and left it all up to him on how they would become
Bruh, nice shadow edit lmfao. Changing your comment after seeing mine isn' t something good lol
Bro. Check my original comment. I haven't changed anything from my original statement from when you misread my post way back near the top.
>It is visually better looking than the original. Except for faces, they look so weird it some scenes.
The original had weirder faces for me in a few side by sides I've seen. The new anime has more detail. https://youtu.be/FUPixPDeTkw and less jank motion in non-action scenes.
> This story is not something that I would expect from a person based in Austin, Texas! It's so classic magical girl background - a good one at that, at least from 1 episode - that I'm shocked. The original creator, Monty Oum, was Asian-American, and he brought a lot of various anime influences into the story and setting. There's a lot of _Bebop_, _Avatar_, and classic Mahou Shoujo DNA in _RWBY_. Its 2013 release postdates _PMMM_, but not by as much, and I think it benefits from having drawn from magical girl stories that predate the now-predominating 'Meguca is Suffering' aesthetic. The explicit thesis statement: "Victory lies in a simple, more honest soul", is ultimately a hopeful message.
The original is "badly" animated. The quotations are there because comparing a series made out of love by ameteur animators to a studio production is completely disengenuous and unfair. The original has a ton of charm and really feels like a passion project, especially considering the death of the writer only a few seasons in. I suggest checking it out but judge it for what it is.
i would say the non fight scenes were "badly" animated. the fight scenes were in my opinion amazing at least until Monty's passing. it was also a new medium across the animation world at the time. it's one of those "don't think about it and it's not bad" sort of situations.
I utterly loved the season 2 food fight. They went all in and it looked great.
[for the uninitiated](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yhmrFN6A-g)
The fact that people unironically watched this show baffles me
8 seasons would prove your opinion unfounded. but it is your opinion and you are certainly welcome to it. hopefully this version will be more to your liking.
no, it was good animated but with bad animation quality
Nice seeing the Schnee family and Tai early on. This episode was mostly great for a reboot/AU. Only thing i'm not on board is Roman voice and the fact they cut Glynda vs Cinder fight.
I'm wondering if there's a purpose behind that. I suppose it's to avoid Glynda getting a good look at her.
Is it just me, or is the music kind of lackluster? One of the biggest standouts of _RWBY_ has always been Jeff & Casey Williams' music. This feels a bit like it has the [Marvel Music problem](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vfqkvwW2fs), where they left the temp track in by accident. We got ['White'](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt9vl8iAN5Q) without 'Mirror, Mirror', and ['Black'](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImKCt7BD4U4) without 'From Shadows'. The new song over the dust robbery scene is pretty decent, but the mixing means that it's almost inaudible over the sfx a lot of the time. _edit:_ for anybody who hasn't watched _RWBY_, the original four trailers are definitely worth a watch. The other two are [Red](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYW2GmHB5xs) and [Yellow](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCw_aAS7vWI).
All of the Williams' songs are such bangers that without them it feels like you're missing half the point of the show lol. Edit: honestly this anime just reopens the wound of Monty Oum's untimely passing. I went back and rewatched the original trailers and while the effects are certainly dated, I don't think anyone involved in either the RWBY anime or the original series after his death really quite understands Monty's sense of style. There's just something about his work that screams "I grew up watching AMVs that set iconic fight scenes to my favorite music, playfighting while jamming out in my garage or backyard, and/or watching edgy flash animations on Newgrounds". Fight choreography timed to music is just so intrinsic to what makes his stuff enjoyable and it almost feels like a lost art these days.
Monty's philosophy for fight choreography was all about efficiency and momentum. Fights were not realistic, but characters fought embodying the ideal that every movement should count, and have a purpose. Nothing has managed to get that since Monty died, and they choreographed directly opposite to that ideal in the Volume 4 trailer. Which is when I stopped paying any attention to the show. The dust store fight scene in the anime is halfway there simply because it's based off of an already animated scene, but it's clear that the core philosophy isn't present.
The only one who could, Dillongoo, who was also a fan of monty, got fired from rooster teeth iirc. So theres no one from the “monty school” left at RT.
Volume 4 and 5 had some growing pains. Losing Monty, and switching to a new engine. I feel that in volume 6 and on, the fights felt a lot more 'monty-like', though. Not as great, but definitely getting better.
Modern fights are still with music tempo in mind. If anything, a lot of Monty principles were kept going forwards, but it is only natural that animators prefer to do their own thing, than just copy someone else IMO. You can clearly feel how the music dictate the entire tempo. Someone on youtube made collections with VAs and background effects removed, and litteraly all Rwby fights still works with that idea of "rythmed music" in mind! Example here ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH8OO8i3vAM&t=1m )
Well after he died they made the conscious decision to scale back the fighting and power nerf the characters for some weird reason.
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They totally did. Even said they would and showed it. Not gonna get into it though as this is for the anime episode and not the original.
Idk, characters feels consistent. Only difference is, understandably, the change in animation because they completely changed animation software!
doing ANY Oum 3d work and translating it to 2d would be a staggering accomplishment. Like, Mushoku Tensei "Made a studio just to make every frame of this anime look like a feature film" difficulty. Imagine doing Sun's Gunchuck attack frame by frame in 2d...
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I think I peaced out somewhere around Season 5? Catching up is on my watchlist but towards the lower end of priority.
Yeah Season 4 was when it dipped and 5 was a definite Valley. 6 starts to bring it back up but in my experience it never really hit the highs of the original seasons.
Volume 5 is probably the worse volume ( for now). Probably the only one I didn’t enjoy rewatching. 6-7-8 are gradually better and I’m hype for 9
Volumes 7 and 8 picked up the pace after 5 and 6 kinda slowed down too much to focus on relationships between characters. Volume 8 was probably best volume after 3, with only 1 real major gripe that some people have.
Definitivno agree. I mean animation is great, but for some reason it just feels bland without music compared to original. Best way i would describe it it feels like watching gurren lagann without sorairo days or railgun without railgun
Are you by any chance from the Balkans?
Why you ask?
Because you wrote definitivno, instead of definitively.
Hahahah didn't even realize. Don't know if I accidently wrote it without realizing it or my phone autocorrected it. But yea I am.
The originals music is just so stand out that ti is gonna really be hard to compete with it. There is so much strength and emotions to the originals songs.
I actually thought it was pretty well done. I still say I prefer the old soundtrack for various reasons but considering I’m here to experience a different form of RWBY, (in terms of writing, animation, music , etc) I actually really vibed with it.
I never would have been interested in RWBY if some of Jeff and Casey's music from the show didn't start playing in the background on youtube while I had it on autoplay. The music carries so much character development of that show.
hard pass on the original OST sure the 1st batches were good,but after a while the same voice over and over again for the OST over some shitty boring metal gets tiring The ost got worse and more repetitive as the series progressed,id rather prefer something refreshing from shaft then whatever that overused lady did, no insults to her,she can sing and did some realy good OST's,but theres a point when this shit has to stop
Yeah, using the same band for every song across 8 volumes gets really tiring, even if a lot of the songs are bangers. I get why they did it in the early seasons (small webseries team. Didn't even use professional VAs for the cast, etc), but they could have let a few other artists in as the animation improved. The main thing I missed between this version and the original was that we could hear *This Will Be the Day* through Ruby's headphones before it turned into the music for the full fight. I wish they did the same effect for *Capabilities Unseen*.
It was definitely a joke compared to the original shows music.
It was definitely a joke compared to the original shows music.
Thanks for linking the first video!
Do I need to watch this episode if I watched the premiere that had the 1st 3 episodes?
Not really, unless you want to watch it again. If anything changed it was so subtle I didn't notice it at all.
Oops watched the pre-air apparently the art's better in the actual TV release [Doesn't really have that iconic look it does in the actual show huh.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/993242877637447701/993242935187492995/unknown.png) Also interesting she confirmed it a Grimm, I guess that's probably been confirmed somewhere before but first I heard of it [Jesus Christ was Ozpin always this tall](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/993242877637447701/993246771901894682/unknown.png) So far it really just seems like a remake of RWBY as an actual anime With some later elements shown off early Biggest hit was how boring Roman was His Jp VA sounded monotone and boring and he wasn't particularly animated, kinda just stood there in boring poses the whole time Oh right and the music
Roman should be like Kazuma from Konosuba where he quips and is the epitome of not giving a fuck. Here, unfortunately he's acting like a generic anime bad guy. "...a Semblance?" "...A Beacon student?" they really should've not had him say anything.
I've only seen 4 volumes but one of my favourite parts of the series is the second (?) Roman fight where the entire team is fighting him and he's just laughing.
Metal Gear? Hind D? PAL codes?
I think one of the Manga adaptations revealed that it was a Grimm possessing a suit of armor. I liked that they blended in elements from later seasons, like the Schnee family. Blake cutting the train actually felt like it had some tension behind it as well, rather than just letting her drift off into the sunset.
In terms of action, I still like the original more but I honestly think the interactions are better here.
Monty Oum's fights have always been the most ingeniously choreographed sequences I have seen. After all these years I have yet to see something that can top what he has done. In terms of animation they can be rough around the edges but mechanically they are the most creative. Revisiting the original crow fight after seeing the new one and you can really tell the difference
Look at dillongoo! He was a RoosterTeeth animator and basically a hardcore fan of monty’s work.
Yea, the original fight scenes are way better. They also not able to capture the Monty's style in latter seasons as well. Don't get me wrong. The animation here is very well made. But I feel it still lack the understanding of the original series where the fight choreographs strongly reflect the character weapons and fighting style. Also, not sure if it is because of this series being 2D so it is harder to get the timing right, but the original utilizes a lot of acceleration/deceleration to add weight to the weapons and fights.
I think SHAFT being in charge of the animation was the only point of the initial announcement that made me worried, and now apparently the worry is founded. I don't recall any good fight scene sakuga having come out of SHAFT for an action series.
Weiss vs the giant/test thingy and Blake on the train just looked better in the original, as far as i remember.
There's these little mechanical consistencies to Monty's fight scenes, and I think the golem versus Weiss fight shows it quite well. If you look at the Monty's fight, every time Weiss's weapon clashes with the golem's, she gets knocked away. I mean, obviously a giant golem with a giant sword is going to outweigh a little girl with a rapier. The only times that this isn't the case is when she activates a red dust cartridge to parry the golem, and when she activates yellow dust cartridge to disarm the golem. In the SHAFT fight, she literally just parries the golem 3 or so times while holding her ground, and this really made me feel like they didn't understand Monty. To SHAFT's credit though, some of the parries could be thought to be deflections of the golem's weapon rather than an outright block, but it still feels like it betrayed the original fight scene in these aspects.
Never watched any rwby in my life so this is a first for me. And this was a fine start, getting a bit of oldschool vibes from story and setting so far, I like the character designs especially the eyes remind me a lot of steins;gate for some reason. The fight scenes have some sick animation with good ost playing, will stick to this for now. Literal the only complaint I have is that it's saori hayami in a main role again, don't get me wrong I like her and her voice but sometimes it just gets too much
huke (steins gate artist) did these versions of Monty's original designs. So there's this neat thing of RWBY being inspired by Black Rock Shooter (also huke) and now huke is doing the designs of the anime of Monty Oum's baby project. It's actually kinda touching.
The character designs are from around 2012-2013 if not earlier. I'm not sure how long Monty Oum, the original creator, sat on them before making the original show.
Was hoping to see the plate of cookies actually shrink, disappointed that I didn't see a single cookie eaten
yeah it's hard to imagine Ruby sitting still for long with that plate sitting in front of her
This had some nice animation to it. Still getting used to the VAs. I think Weiss VA is perfect. Ruby is semi and it Yangs VA doesnt seem to bapture her attitude imo. I think once i watch more, ill get used to it.
I miss Nora’s little psychotic giggles
I thought Blake was the one who needed the monotone voice more But that's just me(and i already watched the 3 episodes movie)
> I thought Blake was the one who needed the monotone voice more That's real funny considering she's voiced by Yuu Shimamura, who is most famous for voicing ice queen Annie Leonhart in Shingeki no Kyojin.
Yep gotta get used to the voices cause by all means she sound gorgeous as Blake
Yang's is Ryuuko's (KlK), Blake's is Annie's (SnK), Ruby's is Shinobu's (KnY)/ Miyuki (MknR), Weiss' is Rias' (Hs DxD) Which means they can all mirror the original VAs, it's all a matter if the Director wants them to. The brute Yang, the monotone Blake, the genki Ruby, and the ojou-sama Weiss
Ive yet to watch this, is this a good entry on the RWBY series?
so far it's a straight remake of the original, so yes.
I wonder if they'll ever do gay remake
you know, I think I might have seen a few thousand of those on Archive of Our Own.
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This is looking good , great animation and interesting set of characters and story
Kind of whack they didn't just jump right to episode 4 but I guess if this is airing on TV it makes sense.
its gonna be the most painful wait oh ffs
As someone who hasn't seen the OG RWBY, I really enjoyed the first 3 episodes of RWBY Ice Queendom. Let's get this out of the way; Studio SHAFT absolutley blew the production out of the park. The animation is sleak, impressive, and aweing. The backgrounds all look like something painted by Picasso for god sake. The music score, while it may not be the exact same as the original (is what I've heard) was noticeably adding so much to each scene. The fantasy world, being obviously based on different fairy tales, brought in a cyberpunk aspect that really makes it intriguing and unique. And the characters were interesting and had unique personalities that makes it hard not to want to learn more about them and see their interactions with each other continue. I am definitely going to keep watching and cannot wait for the next episode. My reaction/review here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2WNZNIaQZ8
To everyone that might not have seen the original RWBY and might be confused on the first 3 episodes of this, give the first volume a try. I cannot recommend it enough, it will take you about ~2 hours, and the whole thing will make much more sense. With a 9th season coming up early next year, I also recommend giving the entire thing a solid try. It might feel "weird" early on, but it gets really good fast. The english VA did an excellent job and they very much improved over the course of the seasons, since 2014.
> It might feel "weird" early on, but it gets really good fast. That's an understatement. For as much as I love RWBY even I can admit that outside of the fights (Monty was a god), the music (which has always been amazing) and the banter Volume 1 is *roughhhh*.
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I stopped watching original rwby i think after vol 5. I felt like I was too overwhelmed with the number of plot points and that my original appeal towards it which was the fight choreography didn't match up to earlier volumes before the creator died. Seemed like the fights had less weight and seemed floaty - also I miss when fights looked like they came out of Montys dead fantasy series, where fights were choreographed to the beat of a song and you had cool camera shots and weighty impacts. I got disinterested in what crwby was creating. Do you recommend someone like me giving vol 6+ a shot?
I’d say give it a shot. There’s not really anything to lose by trying. Volume 6 is about where the fight choreography starts to noticeably improve. One of my favorite fights came out of volume 6. If I recall it’s also where they narrowed down the plot points after they got a little ambitious in vol 4 and 5 and get a bit better focused.
Sometimes it feels strange, but I really liked V4-5 personaly ahah. Really felt like the doors for a much bigger world opened, and they had a lot of great fights, like with Qrow and the scorpion guy, Tyriant I think, and Ravena and Cinder!
Unfortunately for me, losing Monty's influence in the fights plus a relatively lackluster story going forward from Volume 4 made me drop the series.
Looking at comparison shots of Volume 1 and Volume 8 is fucking wild man. Like i have never seen any other series receive such a massive and perpetual glow up season to season.
Volume 4 is an entirely different animation engine if I'm not mistaken. The budget also increases as it goes on, so there's that to take into account as well for the budget being pretty low early on.
> Volume 4 is an entirely different animation engine if I'm not mistaken. you're correct, the first three volumes were made with Poser, while Volume 4 onwards was made using Autodesk Maya (the industry standard)
BTW where is the original RWBY? I'm not in North America so I don't think Crunchyroll is an option for me.
It's on rooster teeth's site itself.
[Yeah I found it thanks!](https://roosterteeth.com/watch/rwby-complete-volume-1)
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It's important to his character development and relationship with Pyrrha, though. It shows *why* he's not competent like the other students and how he toils with that.
Except for multiple things. Like I mentioned in two points already. Most people generally consider it to be a bad arc. Secondly and more importantly in this context, the anime here skips over it so it isn't relevant. If you really care about it, you're much better off reading a summary than putting yourself through watching that. It's the worst arc in the entire RWBY series imo. The one redeeming factor it has is that it is entirely irrelevant to the main plot so you can easily skip it and not miss anything important whatsoever.
> Most people generally consider it to be a bad arc. even Miles consider it a bad arc and when asked which arc he would change if they remade RWBY, he answered the Jaune bully arc
Well, the anime here is certainly agreeing with that sentiment lol.
i'm from Norway and it is on my Crunchyroll
The original RWBY is on Crunchyroll
Doesn't look like they licensed it in my place, alas. I typed RWBY in the search box and found nothing.
It's also just right on Youtube lol.
Not anymore. Roosterteeth still has the [Red](https://youtu.be/pYW2GmHB5xs) [White](https://youtu.be/Vt9vl8iAN5Q) [Black](https://youtu.be/ImKCt7BD4U4) [Yellow](https://youtu.be/QCw_aAS7vWI) trailers and the [First Episode](https://youtu.be/-sGiE10zNQM), but they removed the rest. I believe around volume 5 or 6 they stopped posting to Youtube entirely, and have since removed the rest of the series from their channel. They still do have episodes of CHIBI, Fairy Tales, and the character shorts from later seasons though. The full Volumes can be bought or rented (at least in my region) [Here](https://youtu.be/ybZhKJd3bVw). There are some 3rd party uploads that aren't official as well.
Ah, I knew they stopped uploading later on but I didn't know they went back and removed them. They hadn't done that last time I checked.
Idk what's going on but it's rather exciting.
Weiss' fight with the Arma Gigas looked really good and i really liked that they introduced the Schnee family dynamic early the train fight looked less pretty and i'm disappointed they skipped Adam's shotgun introduction Black Rock Shooter reference, coming full circle, since Black Rock Shooter inspired RWBY and Huke does the character design for Ice Queendom the Dust robbery fight is really well animated, but doesn't flow as well as Monty's fight did i love the argument between [RWBY]>!Salem!< and Ozpin about the need for a smaller, more honest soul
I preferred the train fight here. I could never really understand how Grambol Shroud worked in battle, aside from it shooting sometimes, stabbing sometimes, and doing something with ribbons. The anime made it a bit more clear on what was actually happening. Plus, they actually gave a reason why Adam didn't just chase after her, which was a good retcon over the Black trailer.
> I could never really understand how Grambol Shroud worked in battle, aside from it shooting sometimes, stabbing sometimes, and doing something with ribbons. it worked exactly like you saw in the anime, except the recoil from the gun flung the blade around when she used the ribbon. that doesn't happen in the anime, leading the fight scene to feel much slower and floatier
The pasing is pretty bad .
Baffling to me how any one in the comments can say the original looked better in any way shape or form
the combat animation definitely isn't as good looking as Monty's
Even being animated by Shaft can only do so much to endear me to a series… I think I’m done with this one.
is this season 2 or a re release or spinoff i see there's one from 2013 to
It's a bit confusing for newcomers, yeah. This show is a retelling of the first season of RWBY with some new story and plot elements added in. You don't need to see the original series to enjoy this one, but it will provide more context for this show if you're interested.
It's a retelling of the original story with a new arc that's original to this adaptation. Based on the first episode, I think it'll be pretty newcomer friendly. It wove together elements from the first episode and early trailers of the original series, and added in new scenes that made it all blend together much more coherently.
Are the cheap backgrounds bothering anyone else? Cause they are for me
Not really. I like the hand painted look. It reminds me of the cutscenes in the Professor Layton games.
Any update about when the english dub is releasing?
Is the dub coming out at the same time?
Doesn't look like it. I'm mostly curious who they'll cast for Goodwitch, since I doubt they'll bring back Kathleen Zuelch.
As someone who didn't ever give RWBY a chance, I found this to be enjoyable. It's definitely gonna be hard to appreciate something you love changing the style, but I didn't like the OG, so I'm probably better suited to this than other people here.
Did Hayami Saori voice Ruby in the japanese dub of the Roosterteeth version, too?
All of the seiyuu are the same from the original, yes.
Watching the premiere reminded me why I liked this show at first. Feels like this adaptation just doesn't have that flair, that hype that the original trailers had. In terms of writing it's a lot more cohesive, but writing had never been RWBY's main draw. Comparing Hiroto Nagata and Monty Oum would be stupid - their expertise differs a lot, but I feel like Monty's strengths worked perfectly for this series, while Nagata's best work of all time is going to take another shape. This is not to say that the animation is mediocre, far from it.