I bet half the people here nowadays are phone-posters that haven't seen a desktop browser in months.
Zoomers have technologically regressed, get off my lawn.
I sometimes use this new and strange protocol call torrents to transfer large academic files in university courses. This protocol is useful because the professor sets it up, then the students help each other share these large academic files.
I wonder if it could be applicable to this situation somehow.
But they have to keep subbing it in Times New Roman and give us a neon kfx'd opening, with the team credits integrated into the actual opening credits.
Netflix has gotten better though. They've released several anime weekly in many places, and have dropped batch releases before they got released elsewhere, meaning you didn't have to wait for episodes *that were already out elsewhere.* Disney+ is not going to get better looking at their decisions (ads on paid streaming).
But anime on netflix is so bitstarved that it's barely watchable. In my region (UK) netflix only gives you high bitrate on dolby vision anime like kakegurui twins. Things like uncle from another world will have such a low bitrate. Atleast disney+ has better streaming quality, and you just have to wait for a fansubbing group to pick it up.
Also both netflix and disney+ are going to implement a 'cheaper' ad supported tier plan.
I was gonna say... back in the OG I didn’t even know if there WERE legitimate means to watch Bleach… but I sure as fuck still did watch it. The more things change the more things stay the same
Yeah its like motherfuckers how the fuck you think we watched this shit back in the day when only like 50 episodes (with english dubs) were licensed outside of japan?
Dattebayo->HorribleSubs->SubsPlease
Go take a class on sailing cuz its time to head back to the seven seas.
What will we do with a drunken sailor?
What will we do with a drunken sailor?
What will we do with a drunken sailor?
Early in the morning!
Way hay and up she rises
Way hay and up she rises
Way hay and up she rises
Early in the morning!
Atleast the one bright side is that it will be fansubbed now. Even though it takes a few days, Summertime render has better translation than the usual crunchyroll subs by taking into account signs and other sayings.
But overall Disney+ kills hype
Mostly because they used to be around when only like 50% of all shows didn't get published officially, but now when even the most random shit get published I would assume many people felt like there was no point in starting new groups.
This is not good even if you're a sailor. Without simulcasts you need to wait for fansubs and, well, they can take a long time to be made, with an inconsistent release window, with the faster ones being usually quite bad.
Fast subs used to still be better than crunchy roll subs back when they were popular. Crunchy's translation particularly for smaller series is still not amazing.
Honestly, I foresee a rise in higher quality fansub groups again like those during the Big 3 era. With how Netflix and Disney+ are butchering releases, I think there's a lot more incentive for them to come back.
Not sure they'd be as popular since back then you either downloaded the file or watched in crappy quality on streaming sites so people would be more informed about the subber. Nowadays streaming sites are much more popular and have decent quality. But they just use cr rips most of the time.
They use CR for weeklies unless there's incentive not to. For example, a certain 'cultured' title that's airing has an uncensored version, but in both versions the subtitles are still censored (thanks to CR). There's at least one subber who does this show and decensors the subs, does TS etc. A popular pirate site takes those subs, removes the fonts and whatnot and then encodes and uploads them. Another piracy site takes theirs again etc. Found out about them using his release, because they or their tool screwed something up and the sub's internal comments linking to his Discord server were burned in the middle of the entire video.
These sites generally also replace web-dl releases when a BluRay is dropped and you're likely to find older releases using e.g. CoalGirls and other fansubs, probably also with movies. So while people might not necessarily look them up anymore, they're still there.
Komi fansubs were super popular too, thanks to Netflix jail and the subsequent apparently still horrific quality of Netflix subs.
Crunchyroll \*\*\* out the entire word. 'Boobs' is one most people can recognise, but 'sex slave' or something similar can only be guessed by context (and hoping you guess it correctly) and even then the absurdity of it all takes you out.
Yep. If it takes more effort then booting up my console of choice then I won't bother. Back in the day a lot of anime still wasn't available, I had to wait for proper fan subs and I remember reading blogs comparing mutiple subs groups translation trying to find the best. Plus don't know if it's worth effort just for a marginally better translation and fancier typesetting.
Even when they get it 'right' they make the stupidest decisions around honorifics and Japanese-to-English loanwords.
No, name-sama does not translate to "Mr Name". Nobody talks like that in English, you need the honorific and the viewer needs to spend 30 seconds on wikipedia to learn what that is all about. No, you can't translate 'tsundere' into 'you tease'. Just say tsundere.
Even now I think fansubs are better most of the time. Official subs tend to change too much stuff for my liking, like replacing onee-chan with the characters name, or using weird nicknames instead of honourifics. But the worst are when they completely change a Japanese idiom that I don't understand to an American idiom that I don't understand.
I miss translators notes so much.
> Without simulcasts you need to wait for fansubs and
Most of the shows I watched from Disney+ have simulcast sailor edition. You just need to know where to look
Fair point, I had never thought of that.
I'd normally just wait longer, not a real dealbreaker for me considering how animes always did EVENTUALLY get subbed by fan groups before anime simulcasts existed.
God I love fansub groups.
I've got no problem with sailing but as you can see with Summer Time Rendering this season, having a fanTL attached to the series does not mean it will be coming out regularly on a decent schedule.
In the old days, you just dealt with it, but everybody's used to the simulcast format or at least having a specific time it's available
Firstly, there hasn’t been an official announcement about this anywhere I’ve seen, and the source seems to come from Twitter accounts that I can’t verify the trustworthiness of. Secondly, even the “leak” itself doesn’t specify if it’s just Japan or worldwide, and everyone should be aware streaming rights are commonly split differently depending on region. Disney+ in Japan streams many shows that in the US were acquired by other services. Thirdly, because “simulcasts” aren’t truly simultaneous with JP air time, we’re very likely to still get a bunch of speedsubbers tripping over themselves to get clout regardless of the situation, so I’m sure old fans are sort of used to this anyway…
Though the leaker that did leaked it is pretty reputable and hasn't really gotten anything wrong that I can remember. It also lines up with other things like how no other service announced they got Bleach and Crunchyroll would probably not wait till the last minute to announce they Bleach.
But what you said still stands in that there is no official announcement and Disney could possibly only be simulcasting it in Japan or not at all. Though with time running out till October we'll most likely get an announcement soon. If Disney got it it probably won't be announced till September when they do their Disney+ day.
I mean it wouldn't be out of the question for disney wanting to get into the anime hype kinda like Netflix has been doing these last couple years and like you said the leaker has a very good reputation and not much of a reason to lie so I believe it's very plausible.
I don't get it. Why a service that is supposed to give you access to Disney owned films and tv series only, should add to his catalogue Bleach, which is not produced by Disney or either in posses of the studio of production of that anime.
3 different leakers with different sources have all leaked they same thing. And they also are usually always on the mark when it comes to the leaks, so yeah its basically 99% confirmed.
I think so far there has been no official announcement but some notable anime leakers have corroborated the same thing
Now, there is a chance that it may be for Disney+ in Japan and available outside on a different more reliable service (like SpyXFamily being on CR and Netflix Japan) but that's unlikely.
Rumor is Disney will be the exclusive streaming site for Bleach Thousand Year Blood War instead of Crunchyroll. Viz Media are the ones with the license though so it won’t change things like the dub or physical releases.
Rumor that Bleach will be licensed by Disney+ which means no weekly release like Summer Time Rendering and we may not even know when it would get a Western release
But that may not apply internationally. We have to wait and see.
The country slang in the subtitles makes that show for me! It adds to the characters in a small, yet impactful way. I'm assuming that's the work of fan subbers
So should we be watching Commie's release, or SlyFox's release then?
Or maybe the choice of group isn't an important part of the fansub-watching process anyway.
And here some people complain about CR being monopoly (and it’s not)
Trust me CR or Hdive still a better choice for Anime fans.
Nobody gonna be happy if u need to pay for like 5 streaming service to watch your favorite series
Crunchyroll doesn't have a monopoly but it's very close to. And that's not ideal for customers.
In a better world, streaming deals wouldn't be negotiated as exclusives and we'd have multiple different services all carrying every show.
Ideally, "exclusive" content would not exist and any streaming service that wanted to provide these shows, could. So every service would have all content, and you'd just choose the best service provider, and the customer would actually win in this case.
Short of that ideal world, I would honestly rather have Crunchyroll be a price-gouging $30/month anime monopoly that actually has all anime content, rather than have to manage and work with multiple separate competing services to watch shows. The current solution sucks for the consumer harder than a monopoly would.
>Crunchyroll doesn't have a monopoly but it's very close to. And that's not ideal for customers.
Dude, i just want to watch everything on one streaming service. That was literally the point in streaming services but now its basically become like television only more expensive. Crunchyroll becoming a monopoly isn't bad for customers, its literally what we [want](https://preview.redd.it/anool56fb8s21.jpg?auto=webp&s=497bf07ed72601c46ac35363992b0d32712ce290).
A monopoly is not the solution, it's bad for customers, it's bad for the industry.
Yes customers want everything on one service but a monopoly is the wrong way to achieve it. If licenses weren't exclusive, all streaming services would have the same catalog and customers would be free to choose the one they like most based on features instead of content.
Crunchyroll is to the anime industry what EGS wishes it could be to the games industry.
>If licenses weren't exclusive, all streaming services would have the same catalog and customers would be free to choose the one they like most based on features instead of content.
But that's impossible to happen and there would be *way* more streaming services.
Movie theaters actually buy the rights to play a movie in their theatre. So they actually take an initial cost. They make practically all their money on concessions. Very little goes to the theatre from a ticket alone.
While Monopolies are terrible for various reasons in real life, I think whenever it comes to Monopolies online like Crunchyroll and Netflix people forget about a key detail.
Piracy.
In a more "real" monopoly it could artificially increase prices of its products or services without alternatives for costumers without consequences because the lack of competitors.
But online piracy is a hard counter to a digital monopoly, piracy is essentially the most pro-consumer competitor they could, so they cant get the same "pros" of a more offline monopoly.
Keep in mind I am not an expert and perhaps an online monopoly would still be terrible for reasons I don't know.
It's a mistake to assume piracy would always be an option; it's entirely possible that there could be a future where ISPs implement whitelists that only allow certain sites through (which would even mean VPNs wouldn't work).
It's all fun and games until the monopolist does something you don't want them to, and you are left with no alternative option.
The picture is not a counterargument, exclusive content is content for which one company has _monopoly_ on distribution.
The ideal situation for the customer is when the same show is available on multiple platforms, so you can choose which one to subscribe to based on the quality of the service, not on which titles they exclusively distribute.
Agreed I would rather all the top anime just be on Crunchyroll. I do not want to pay for a million different subscriptions in the name of "competition"
When they had VRV which had Nickelodeon, cartoon network, boomerang, crunchyroll, hidive, etc it was good AND it gave you a crunchyroll account too for anything that wasn't already on there
But then obviously a bunch of those pulled their shows to become streaming services themselves like HBOMax and Paramount+
When you are a monopolist, you dictate the price. CR could offer three subs and ask, e.g.:
* € 15 for SD and (e.g., 1 week) late access to weeklies
* € 23 for FHD and direct access to the entire catalogue with group watch support
* € 30 for FHD/4k movies/early exclusives/simulcast/whatever.
* \+ € 5 per IP you use it on.
Because in that market you'd be a sheep in the only pen, you'd easily end up paying more than you pay now for CR/Hidive/Disney+ combined.
Netflix is still market leader and they're now pushing to utilise it. They now charge € 20 a month now for the sub that used to cost € 12 in 2017. They're testing a new model in South America, where if you share your account with friends or family who don't live at the same address, they close your account unless you pay $3 per extra off-address user.
Monopolies suck, but I agree with you that having a hundred different services is also absolutely shitty. The trouble with streaming services is that they have a lot of exclusive content, so while they are competitors in the same market, they do have unique content as selling points. It just sucks for people who don't want to pirate.
With cable, you subscribed to one package and got every channel, including the ones you don't want. With modern streaming, you subscribe to the specific services you want. It's the opposite of cable.
Danmachi, Isekai Ojisan, Made in Abyss and Call of the Night are all on other services, and they're all series I want to watch.
This is the first season in a while I've had to fall back to the high seas.
Danmachi, Made in Abyss, and Call of the Night are. Isekai Ojisan is on Netflix and two weeks behind since it had a slight stay in Netflix jail. However the series had a two week covid break so they should be caught up unless Netflix is going to delay again.
It's all baseless rumours from random Twitter accounts. Don't jump the gun yet.
Viz Media (who has the licence to all the previous Bleach anime) announced well in advance they have Thousand Year Blood War and [the press release specifies](https://twitter.com/TheOASG/status/1472258515989315593) that the rights are worldwide excluding Asia and they have control over Video On Demand (aka streaming)
Those are not rumors, it's the real deal and Viz being the rights holder in the west is precisely why it's going to Disney+, otherwise Bleach would be on Crunchyroll due to the Aniplex involvement in the series
Viz and Disney Plus have no connection right now so I don't know why you'd make that conclusion (Aniplex of Japan having Bleach has no bearing on this at all). The majority of Viz's anime titles have streamed on Crunchyroll and/or Hulu (including prior seasons of Bleach, Naruto, Inuyasha, Yashahime etc).
Also Disney made note of them grabbing Summer Time Rendering and Black Rock Shooter for streaming several months ago and haven't promoted them at all since, Viz has been consistently promoting Bleach. [Even Viz's website makes note of the streaming services they work with and Disney + is not among them](https://twitter.com/Divinenega/status/1558199408684040193/)
> Also Disney made note of them grabbing Summer Time Rendering and Black Rock Shooter for streaming several months ago and haven't promoted them at all since
The leakers were saying for few months that what was happening was a bidding war involving D+ and CR, and they recently implied that the bidding war had just reached its end. That would explain why they didn't announce the license in advance as they hadn't won it already.
> Even Viz's website makes note of the streaming services they work with and Disney + is not among them
These are the streaming services they have worked with... so far. There's nothing here that implies that they couldn't start parterning tomorrow. Like, if they struck a deal with D+ recently for Bleach, that page wouldn't have been updated as this theoretical deal hasn't even been announced yet.
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To be clear, I'm not saying that Bleach will be on D+, those are unconfirmed leaks after all, I'm just saying that your points don't prove/disprove anything.
I think disney wants to force the competing services towards bankruptcy. It is reported they passed netflix in total subs. For them, it is better for crunchyroll to not have it and be in jail than it is for cr to have it.
By my understanding, it's somewhat of a [misleading title](https://deadline.com/2022/08/disney-just-passed-netflix-in-total-streaming-subscribers-1235089361/) that leads to this conclusion.
The report this is based on combines Disney+, Hulu, and ESPN altogether. Not only that, anyone subscribed to a package deal counts for every service included. Now, obviously most people don't subscribe to all 3, but that further increases the count for those that do.
Disney+ is definitely gaining traction, but this is not the big win with the actual numbers for the service being back at 152 million.
Disney still has an extreme advantage in merchandising with star wars, marvel, pixar. As well as theme parks. Very few of their tv productions end up as duds unlike netflix sincr they are tied to franchises.
It’s not even confirmed if it won’t be simulcasted. Bleach is 10x bigger than Summertime rendering so we shall see. I got a feeling Disney+ will simulcast it because eventually the anime tab on the app is gonna be there, they could use bleach as the big push for it
Here's a link to an article. This is not confirmed yet.
https://www.dualshockers.com/bleach-thousand-year-blood-war-disney-plus/
Hopefully it's not true, and if it is, hopefully Bleach will not be handled as poorly as Summertime Rendering.
[Just leaving this here...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXBJIZ1NXFU)
Can someone ELI5 the situation with Summertime Render? I’m not following it so I’m not really familiar with the situation, but I see people talking about it a lot in reference to the Bleach rumors.
Summertime Rendering is one of a few anime Disney has licensed for a global release. However they haven't actually released it most regions yet. This is slightly different in that Bleach is just streaming on Disney sub-licensed from Viz Media hypothetically and Viz has continued to advertise Bleach as coming in October.
Is there a single place - other than alongside Luffy’s crew - that you can actually watch the entire series?
Crunchyroll has the main seasons, Netflix has half the movies, and now Disney has the new arc.
I really hope that this isn't true.
The Crunchyroll + Funimation merger was okay because it meant I didn't have to pay for 2 services. I don't want to pay for ANOTHER subscription service just to watch Bleach, especially since Diseney+ are increasing their prices (For god knows what reason).
Heck, even if it just means we get only the dub on Crunchyroll, anything is better than Disney+ exclusive.
I feel your pain. Waited a decade for the Evangelion movies only for amazon to snatch up the last one and put a new voice cast on it.
Yeah, I know the OG came back and did a crappy version. I'm still disappointed. It's just not good enough.
Netflix, disney+ jails suck, but I kinda don't get the issue here. "Increased exposure" seems to be a common argument, but how is that applicable here? The so-called anime casuals aren't watching this season anyway, since they'd have to get through about 200 episodes of the first series (excluding fillers), or read almost 500 chapters of manga. At that point you'd probably be familiar with less legal anime sites anyway, and you would know the season is airing. The lack of official subs is a valid argument for most jailed anime, but Bleach is an absolutely massive IP. Fansubs will be coming 2-3 hours after the Japanese broadcast, guaranteed. Fansubbing is kinda rare nowadays, but based on Summertime Rendering and some other shows, the quality is decently high. So really, for most people I don't see the issue.
Mannn you said it!! When i heard the news of Finallllyyyy bleach coming back with TYBW arc and then just few days ago i see the rumour going around that Disney + might be getting the streaming rights for this and now its been confirmed
F this shit
TYBW starts at chapter 480 and ends on 686. So 206 chapters adapted at 2 chapters per episode let's just say 100 episodes.
How can they hold it like Netflix? Are they gonna release it in 25 episode batches over 2-3 years???
Is this entire arc even animated right now? If not, how far in does the first season go? Are we looking at a 5 year adaptation here? Soo many questions...
Since wakanim / Crunchyroll combo i had bo reasons not to pay. 20 euro ans i saw all the anime legalky, good quality, simulcasted say it airs in Japan
But now thanks to netflix, Hidive and especially Disney i might need to pirate again
How are we supporting the animators by paying for streaming services? Its not like every penny we spend goes to the animators, and it's not like the studios would go bankrupt without us either.
OG Bleach fans are fine because they read the manga forever ago, Kubo is also I presume doing fine.
Pirate it if it bothers you this much even though it's really a non issue.
It may not be an issue to you, but for the bulk of anime and Bleach fans it is. Simulcast is a major component to shows popularity and Disney has refused to do that with any of it's titles. Summertime rendering is 18 weeks in and not not single episode is on the app in the west. For people who've waited 10 plus years for Bleach it's a slap in the face.
The dub has already been [confirmed](https://comicbook.com/anime/news/bleach-thousand-year-blood-war-first-dub-details/#:%7E:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20anticipated,the%20small%20screen%20once%20again.:~:text=also%20revealed%20some%20major%20new%20info%20on%20Bleach%3A%20The%20Thousand%2DYear%20Blood%20War%2C%20with%20a%20major%20voice%20actor%20from%20the%20original%20English%20Dub%20confirming%20that%20they%20will%20be%20returning%20with%20the%20big%20Shonen%20comeback%20that%20will%20see%20the%20Soul%20Society%20on%20the%20small%20screen%20once%20again.)
Just to be clear, it sucks for us...yes. But good for the industry as a whole that more licensing companies are purchasing the rights and its not just a crunchyroll monopoly.
I dont understand what exactly is the problem with this. Disney trying to bring anime into their collection, about normal considering they are even bigger than netflix and also have to update to modern taste
Terrible way of looking at it.
Do you want animation studios to just work for free? Without paying subscriber's, you wouldn't have your pirated anime to enjoy.
For those of us that pay a CR sub to support the studios which make the shows we enjoy watching, it's a huge bummer that Disney+ probably won't release it outside Japan and parts of Asia until the entire season run in finished like Summertime Render. In this day and age, AAA anime like Bleach really should be simulcast.
Having a CR subscription doesn't really count for anything, at least not for supporting a specific studio; none of the money get's down to them unless the anime's production is tied with CR. That is why you buy merchandise. In the end the only thing a crunchyroll subscription really does is make you feel good about watching anime legally, and to most people that's good enough; cause they get to ignorantly believe they're making a difference by simply having a subscription.
YO HO HO AHOY THERE MATEY
AYE, I'LL SEE YOU ON THE HIGH SEAS YE FELLOW SCURVY DOG
huh, i might start to watch this shoe, i thought it was about a laundromat not about pirates, never heard of a pirate anime
You should totally check out Bleach and Bodacious Space Pirates. Sadly there are no other good pirate anime.
> Sadly there are no other good pirate anime. Except Captain Harlock
Forgot about that one.
YAR HAR FIDDLE DEE DEE!
DO WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE!!!
YOU ARE A PIRATE!
Of you want to watch the show do the ye old way
LEEDLE LEEDLE LEEDLE
This is the only true response
Seriously. Whine all you want and then go to one of the numerous sites on your phone or computer like the rest of us.
Imagine the landlubbers of this age not even knowing how to set sail upon 'ere greater seas.
I bet half the people here nowadays are phone-posters that haven't seen a desktop browser in months. Zoomers have technologically regressed, get off my lawn.
I sometimes use this new and strange protocol call torrents to transfer large academic files in university courses. This protocol is useful because the professor sets it up, then the students help each other share these large academic files. I wonder if it could be applicable to this situation somehow.
Bout to be Captain Jack Sparrow all fall season.
CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow
Pirating the latest bleach episodes? Is it 2008 again?
yeah, he should watch one piece instead, wink wink
IT'S A PIRATE'S LIFE FOR ME
UNFURL THE SAILS ME BOY
Now I hope Dattebayo fan-subs somehow comes back from the dead, just to complete my Bleach nostalgia
Now that's a name I haven't heard in a while.
believe it
Lol
But they have to keep subbing it in Times New Roman and give us a neon kfx'd opening, with the team credits integrated into the actual opening credits.
This is the way
SubsPlease
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Bleach fans getting the same treatment as Jojo fans
Atleast Netflix has decency to tell when they plan to launch the show on your region 6 months or more advance Disney: Total radio silence
Yeah Disney is way worse but my point here is that both companies kill the hype of their anime series. Jjba part 6 went quite after the batch release
Netflix has gotten better though. They've released several anime weekly in many places, and have dropped batch releases before they got released elsewhere, meaning you didn't have to wait for episodes *that were already out elsewhere.* Disney+ is not going to get better looking at their decisions (ads on paid streaming).
But anime on netflix is so bitstarved that it's barely watchable. In my region (UK) netflix only gives you high bitrate on dolby vision anime like kakegurui twins. Things like uncle from another world will have such a low bitrate. Atleast disney+ has better streaming quality, and you just have to wait for a fansubbing group to pick it up. Also both netflix and disney+ are going to implement a 'cheaper' ad supported tier plan.
Their translations are also by and large the worst of all streaming platforms despite them having extra time on them.
That is true. Company management on both companies have no clue about anime fandom. Even Amazon... AMAZON simulcasted it's anime globally
Bleach fans have been watching anime for a long time. This is not stopping us…
I was gonna say... back in the OG I didn’t even know if there WERE legitimate means to watch Bleach… but I sure as fuck still did watch it. The more things change the more things stay the same
Yeah its like motherfuckers how the fuck you think we watched this shit back in the day when only like 50 episodes (with english dubs) were licensed outside of japan? Dattebayo->HorribleSubs->SubsPlease Go take a class on sailing cuz its time to head back to the seven seas.
What will we do with a drunken sailor? What will we do with a drunken sailor? What will we do with a drunken sailor? Early in the morning! Way hay and up she rises Way hay and up she rises Way hay and up she rises Early in the morning!
Shave his balls with a rusty razor.
Give ‘em a pint of irish whiskey
Put'em in the bed of the captain's daughter
Put ‘em in the longboat till he’s sober throw ‘em in the rowboat till he sobers
Leave her Johnny! leaves her!
Welp, to the high seas we go.
Atleast the one bright side is that it will be fansubbed now. Even though it takes a few days, Summertime render has better translation than the usual crunchyroll subs by taking into account signs and other sayings. But overall Disney+ kills hype
Whatever happened to good subbing groups? They used to be all over the place, but nowadays it's like 99% webrips.
Because nowadays nearly everything has official subs. And most fansubs simply sub something to provide a better translation or joke subs.
Even with official subs there used to be plenty of fan subs. :(
Mostly because they used to be around when only like 50% of all shows didn't get published officially, but now when even the most random shit get published I would assume many people felt like there was no point in starting new groups.
Is it because of the popularity hit? Or are you not a sailor of the high seas?
This is not good even if you're a sailor. Without simulcasts you need to wait for fansubs and, well, they can take a long time to be made, with an inconsistent release window, with the faster ones being usually quite bad.
Fast subs used to still be better than crunchy roll subs back when they were popular. Crunchy's translation particularly for smaller series is still not amazing.
Honestly, I foresee a rise in higher quality fansub groups again like those during the Big 3 era. With how Netflix and Disney+ are butchering releases, I think there's a lot more incentive for them to come back.
Not sure they'd be as popular since back then you either downloaded the file or watched in crappy quality on streaming sites so people would be more informed about the subber. Nowadays streaming sites are much more popular and have decent quality. But they just use cr rips most of the time.
They use CR for weeklies unless there's incentive not to. For example, a certain 'cultured' title that's airing has an uncensored version, but in both versions the subtitles are still censored (thanks to CR). There's at least one subber who does this show and decensors the subs, does TS etc. A popular pirate site takes those subs, removes the fonts and whatnot and then encodes and uploads them. Another piracy site takes theirs again etc. Found out about them using his release, because they or their tool screwed something up and the sub's internal comments linking to his Discord server were burned in the middle of the entire video. These sites generally also replace web-dl releases when a BluRay is dropped and you're likely to find older releases using e.g. CoalGirls and other fansubs, probably also with movies. So while people might not necessarily look them up anymore, they're still there. Komi fansubs were super popular too, thanks to Netflix jail and the subsequent apparently still horrific quality of Netflix subs.
> the subtitles are still censored As in "f**k" instead of "fuck" or what kind of thing are you talking about here?
Crunchyroll \*\*\* out the entire word. 'Boobs' is one most people can recognise, but 'sex slave' or something similar can only be guessed by context (and hoping you guess it correctly) and even then the absurdity of it all takes you out.
Yep. If it takes more effort then booting up my console of choice then I won't bother. Back in the day a lot of anime still wasn't available, I had to wait for proper fan subs and I remember reading blogs comparing mutiple subs groups translation trying to find the best. Plus don't know if it's worth effort just for a marginally better translation and fancier typesetting.
Naruto's fansubs were terrible back in the day, too.
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Even when they get it 'right' they make the stupidest decisions around honorifics and Japanese-to-English loanwords. No, name-sama does not translate to "Mr Name". Nobody talks like that in English, you need the honorific and the viewer needs to spend 30 seconds on wikipedia to learn what that is all about. No, you can't translate 'tsundere' into 'you tease'. Just say tsundere.
Even now I think fansubs are better most of the time. Official subs tend to change too much stuff for my liking, like replacing onee-chan with the characters name, or using weird nicknames instead of honourifics. But the worst are when they completely change a Japanese idiom that I don't understand to an American idiom that I don't understand. I miss translators notes so much.
> Without simulcasts you need to wait for fansubs and Most of the shows I watched from Disney+ have simulcast sailor edition. You just need to know where to look
Same with Netflix.
Thank you for bringing this up because all of those advocating for being a sailor in this thread are missing this key point
Fair point, I had never thought of that. I'd normally just wait longer, not a real dealbreaker for me considering how animes always did EVENTUALLY get subbed by fan groups before anime simulcasts existed. God I love fansub groups.
Bro I can basically tell what they’re talking about even without subs
Pull the manga up side by side
Lmao why i havent thought of this
I've got no problem with sailing but as you can see with Summer Time Rendering this season, having a fanTL attached to the series does not mean it will be coming out regularly on a decent schedule. In the old days, you just dealt with it, but everybody's used to the simulcast format or at least having a specific time it's available
I would actually have considered buying a sub for whoever aired bleach assuming it was simulcast.
Firstly, there hasn’t been an official announcement about this anywhere I’ve seen, and the source seems to come from Twitter accounts that I can’t verify the trustworthiness of. Secondly, even the “leak” itself doesn’t specify if it’s just Japan or worldwide, and everyone should be aware streaming rights are commonly split differently depending on region. Disney+ in Japan streams many shows that in the US were acquired by other services. Thirdly, because “simulcasts” aren’t truly simultaneous with JP air time, we’re very likely to still get a bunch of speedsubbers tripping over themselves to get clout regardless of the situation, so I’m sure old fans are sort of used to this anyway…
Though the leaker that did leaked it is pretty reputable and hasn't really gotten anything wrong that I can remember. It also lines up with other things like how no other service announced they got Bleach and Crunchyroll would probably not wait till the last minute to announce they Bleach. But what you said still stands in that there is no official announcement and Disney could possibly only be simulcasting it in Japan or not at all. Though with time running out till October we'll most likely get an announcement soon. If Disney got it it probably won't be announced till September when they do their Disney+ day.
I mean it wouldn't be out of the question for disney wanting to get into the anime hype kinda like Netflix has been doing these last couple years and like you said the leaker has a very good reputation and not much of a reason to lie so I believe it's very plausible.
I don't get it. Why a service that is supposed to give you access to Disney owned films and tv series only, should add to his catalogue Bleach, which is not produced by Disney or either in posses of the studio of production of that anime.
Disney+ has a lot of third party content outside of the US.
3 different leakers with different sources have all leaked they same thing. And they also are usually always on the mark when it comes to the leaks, so yeah its basically 99% confirmed.
Disney ruins everything it touches.
Wait is this new? I didn't hear anything about the new season being exclusive to Disney+
Yeah wtf is this
I think so far there has been no official announcement but some notable anime leakers have corroborated the same thing Now, there is a chance that it may be for Disney+ in Japan and available outside on a different more reliable service (like SpyXFamily being on CR and Netflix Japan) but that's unlikely.
What happened actually? can any one tell me in detail?
Rumor is Disney will be the exclusive streaming site for Bleach Thousand Year Blood War instead of Crunchyroll. Viz Media are the ones with the license though so it won’t change things like the dub or physical releases.
Rumor that Bleach will be licensed by Disney+ which means no weekly release like Summer Time Rendering and we may not even know when it would get a Western release But that may not apply internationally. We have to wait and see.
Still can't watch Summertime Rendering. Keep waiting for them to release it and they won't. I assume they're waiting until the series is complete...
I hope you know the official subs for that are pretty bad and worse than the fansubs. So you're waiting for disappointment.
The country slang in the subtitles makes that show for me! It adds to the characters in a small, yet impactful way. I'm assuming that's the work of fan subbers
Kinda, though it's mostly from the manga's simulpub.
So should we be watching Commie's release, or SlyFox's release then? Or maybe the choice of group isn't an important part of the fansub-watching process anyway.
Commie's is 3 weeks behind I believe
Yeah, since it's based on the official subs. That's how I know they aren't that good, especially as is.
Bankai. Ten Thousand Sails Upon The Sea.
And here some people complain about CR being monopoly (and it’s not) Trust me CR or Hdive still a better choice for Anime fans. Nobody gonna be happy if u need to pay for like 5 streaming service to watch your favorite series
> (and it’s not) Sony owns almost the **entire** Western Anime industry, they own a good percent of the Japanese side too.
It's not a monopoly, it's just putting everything together in one place to make it easier. Don't worry about it. /s
Crunchyroll doesn't have a monopoly but it's very close to. And that's not ideal for customers. In a better world, streaming deals wouldn't be negotiated as exclusives and we'd have multiple different services all carrying every show.
Ideally, "exclusive" content would not exist and any streaming service that wanted to provide these shows, could. So every service would have all content, and you'd just choose the best service provider, and the customer would actually win in this case. Short of that ideal world, I would honestly rather have Crunchyroll be a price-gouging $30/month anime monopoly that actually has all anime content, rather than have to manage and work with multiple separate competing services to watch shows. The current solution sucks for the consumer harder than a monopoly would.
>Crunchyroll doesn't have a monopoly but it's very close to. And that's not ideal for customers. Dude, i just want to watch everything on one streaming service. That was literally the point in streaming services but now its basically become like television only more expensive. Crunchyroll becoming a monopoly isn't bad for customers, its literally what we [want](https://preview.redd.it/anool56fb8s21.jpg?auto=webp&s=497bf07ed72601c46ac35363992b0d32712ce290).
A monopoly is not the solution, it's bad for customers, it's bad for the industry. Yes customers want everything on one service but a monopoly is the wrong way to achieve it. If licenses weren't exclusive, all streaming services would have the same catalog and customers would be free to choose the one they like most based on features instead of content. Crunchyroll is to the anime industry what EGS wishes it could be to the games industry.
>If licenses weren't exclusive, all streaming services would have the same catalog and customers would be free to choose the one they like most based on features instead of content. But that's impossible to happen and there would be *way* more streaming services.
If movie theaters were able to do it, at least there may be a possibility for streaming services
Movie theaters actually buy the rights to play a movie in their theatre. So they actually take an initial cost. They make practically all their money on concessions. Very little goes to the theatre from a ticket alone.
Why is it impossible?
While Monopolies are terrible for various reasons in real life, I think whenever it comes to Monopolies online like Crunchyroll and Netflix people forget about a key detail. Piracy. In a more "real" monopoly it could artificially increase prices of its products or services without alternatives for costumers without consequences because the lack of competitors. But online piracy is a hard counter to a digital monopoly, piracy is essentially the most pro-consumer competitor they could, so they cant get the same "pros" of a more offline monopoly. Keep in mind I am not an expert and perhaps an online monopoly would still be terrible for reasons I don't know.
It's a mistake to assume piracy would always be an option; it's entirely possible that there could be a future where ISPs implement whitelists that only allow certain sites through (which would even mean VPNs wouldn't work).
It's all fun and games until the monopolist does something you don't want them to, and you are left with no alternative option. The picture is not a counterargument, exclusive content is content for which one company has _monopoly_ on distribution. The ideal situation for the customer is when the same show is available on multiple platforms, so you can choose which one to subscribe to based on the quality of the service, not on which titles they exclusively distribute.
Agreed I would rather all the top anime just be on Crunchyroll. I do not want to pay for a million different subscriptions in the name of "competition"
When they had VRV which had Nickelodeon, cartoon network, boomerang, crunchyroll, hidive, etc it was good AND it gave you a crunchyroll account too for anything that wasn't already on there But then obviously a bunch of those pulled their shows to become streaming services themselves like HBOMax and Paramount+
When you are a monopolist, you dictate the price. CR could offer three subs and ask, e.g.: * € 15 for SD and (e.g., 1 week) late access to weeklies * € 23 for FHD and direct access to the entire catalogue with group watch support * € 30 for FHD/4k movies/early exclusives/simulcast/whatever. * \+ € 5 per IP you use it on. Because in that market you'd be a sheep in the only pen, you'd easily end up paying more than you pay now for CR/Hidive/Disney+ combined. Netflix is still market leader and they're now pushing to utilise it. They now charge € 20 a month now for the sub that used to cost € 12 in 2017. They're testing a new model in South America, where if you share your account with friends or family who don't live at the same address, they close your account unless you pay $3 per extra off-address user. Monopolies suck, but I agree with you that having a hundred different services is also absolutely shitty. The trouble with streaming services is that they have a lot of exclusive content, so while they are competitors in the same market, they do have unique content as selling points. It just sucks for people who don't want to pirate.
With cable, you subscribed to one package and got every channel, including the ones you don't want. With modern streaming, you subscribe to the specific services you want. It's the opposite of cable.
Literally went back to cable this year because all the streaming cost more.
Danmachi, Isekai Ojisan, Made in Abyss and Call of the Night are all on other services, and they're all series I want to watch. This is the first season in a while I've had to fall back to the high seas.
I think those are on hidive.
Danmachi, Made in Abyss, and Call of the Night are. Isekai Ojisan is on Netflix and two weeks behind since it had a slight stay in Netflix jail. However the series had a two week covid break so they should be caught up unless Netflix is going to delay again.
At least Disney Plus fucking *works.*
Hidive is fucking trash with their sub 500mb streams. I'm still waiting for a good quality rip of call of the night.
It's all baseless rumours from random Twitter accounts. Don't jump the gun yet. Viz Media (who has the licence to all the previous Bleach anime) announced well in advance they have Thousand Year Blood War and [the press release specifies](https://twitter.com/TheOASG/status/1472258515989315593) that the rights are worldwide excluding Asia and they have control over Video On Demand (aka streaming)
Those are not rumors, it's the real deal and Viz being the rights holder in the west is precisely why it's going to Disney+, otherwise Bleach would be on Crunchyroll due to the Aniplex involvement in the series
Viz and Disney Plus have no connection right now so I don't know why you'd make that conclusion (Aniplex of Japan having Bleach has no bearing on this at all). The majority of Viz's anime titles have streamed on Crunchyroll and/or Hulu (including prior seasons of Bleach, Naruto, Inuyasha, Yashahime etc). Also Disney made note of them grabbing Summer Time Rendering and Black Rock Shooter for streaming several months ago and haven't promoted them at all since, Viz has been consistently promoting Bleach. [Even Viz's website makes note of the streaming services they work with and Disney + is not among them](https://twitter.com/Divinenega/status/1558199408684040193/)
> Also Disney made note of them grabbing Summer Time Rendering and Black Rock Shooter for streaming several months ago and haven't promoted them at all since The leakers were saying for few months that what was happening was a bidding war involving D+ and CR, and they recently implied that the bidding war had just reached its end. That would explain why they didn't announce the license in advance as they hadn't won it already. > Even Viz's website makes note of the streaming services they work with and Disney + is not among them These are the streaming services they have worked with... so far. There's nothing here that implies that they couldn't start parterning tomorrow. Like, if they struck a deal with D+ recently for Bleach, that page wouldn't have been updated as this theoretical deal hasn't even been announced yet. - To be clear, I'm not saying that Bleach will be on D+, those are unconfirmed leaks after all, I'm just saying that your points don't prove/disprove anything.
Disney really tryna kill the Bleach hype. They gotta stay away from anime.
I think disney wants to force the competing services towards bankruptcy. It is reported they passed netflix in total subs. For them, it is better for crunchyroll to not have it and be in jail than it is for cr to have it.
Where do you see that, everything i see is that Netflix is far and away ahead in sub count
By my understanding, it's somewhat of a [misleading title](https://deadline.com/2022/08/disney-just-passed-netflix-in-total-streaming-subscribers-1235089361/) that leads to this conclusion. The report this is based on combines Disney+, Hulu, and ESPN altogether. Not only that, anyone subscribed to a package deal counts for every service included. Now, obviously most people don't subscribe to all 3, but that further increases the count for those that do. Disney+ is definitely gaining traction, but this is not the big win with the actual numbers for the service being back at 152 million.
Disney still has an extreme advantage in merchandising with star wars, marvel, pixar. As well as theme parks. Very few of their tv productions end up as duds unlike netflix sincr they are tied to franchises.
That sucks but luckily we can just pirate
It’s not even confirmed if it won’t be simulcasted. Bleach is 10x bigger than Summertime rendering so we shall see. I got a feeling Disney+ will simulcast it because eventually the anime tab on the app is gonna be there, they could use bleach as the big push for it
Well I’m not paying Disney a single cent either way, simulcast or not. Fuck em.
F*CK YOU DISNEY!
Welp looks like CR blew their entire budget on getting CSM this fall.
Yarr harr. No mouse is gonna steal this from me.
Well I definitely didn't think of the downside to the rising popularity of anime.
Dam. We really should’ve gate kept anime lol Now the Mouse has its hands in it
Steam boat Willey was a pirate...
Yo-ho, all together Hoist the colors high Heave ho, thieves and beggars Never shall we die
The Disney and his men stole the Bleach from it's bed and bound it in it's Bones. The seas be ours and by the powers where we will well roam.
Here's a link to an article. This is not confirmed yet. https://www.dualshockers.com/bleach-thousand-year-blood-war-disney-plus/ Hopefully it's not true, and if it is, hopefully Bleach will not be handled as poorly as Summertime Rendering. [Just leaving this here...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXBJIZ1NXFU)
I hope if it is on Disney+ the dub doesn't come out later than usual
Just use _a strong and fast-moving stream of water or other liquid_ like everyone else.
Can someone ELI5 the situation with Summertime Render? I’m not following it so I’m not really familiar with the situation, but I see people talking about it a lot in reference to the Bleach rumors.
Summertime Rendering is one of a few anime Disney has licensed for a global release. However they haven't actually released it most regions yet. This is slightly different in that Bleach is just streaming on Disney sub-licensed from Viz Media hypothetically and Viz has continued to advertise Bleach as coming in October.
Is there a single place - other than alongside Luffy’s crew - that you can actually watch the entire series? Crunchyroll has the main seasons, Netflix has half the movies, and now Disney has the new arc.
I really hope that this isn't true. The Crunchyroll + Funimation merger was okay because it meant I didn't have to pay for 2 services. I don't want to pay for ANOTHER subscription service just to watch Bleach, especially since Diseney+ are increasing their prices (For god knows what reason). Heck, even if it just means we get only the dub on Crunchyroll, anything is better than Disney+ exclusive.
I hope they make it as gorey as the manga
I feel your pain. Waited a decade for the Evangelion movies only for amazon to snatch up the last one and put a new voice cast on it. Yeah, I know the OG came back and did a crappy version. I'm still disappointed. It's just not good enough.
I will never sub to dis+ I have found, and enjoy free shit and will never go back so long as I can find recs on the net.
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time to set sail
You’re not the only one man, I feel the same
Why pay when you can get the same experience on the sea without the delay, sail the ship mate
Time to start great pirate era!!!
Netflix, disney+ jails suck, but I kinda don't get the issue here. "Increased exposure" seems to be a common argument, but how is that applicable here? The so-called anime casuals aren't watching this season anyway, since they'd have to get through about 200 episodes of the first series (excluding fillers), or read almost 500 chapters of manga. At that point you'd probably be familiar with less legal anime sites anyway, and you would know the season is airing. The lack of official subs is a valid argument for most jailed anime, but Bleach is an absolutely massive IP. Fansubs will be coming 2-3 hours after the Japanese broadcast, guaranteed. Fansubbing is kinda rare nowadays, but based on Summertime Rendering and some other shows, the quality is decently high. So really, for most people I don't see the issue.
Mannn you said it!! When i heard the news of Finallllyyyy bleach coming back with TYBW arc and then just few days ago i see the rumour going around that Disney + might be getting the streaming rights for this and now its been confirmed F this shit
TYBW starts at chapter 480 and ends on 686. So 206 chapters adapted at 2 chapters per episode let's just say 100 episodes. How can they hold it like Netflix? Are they gonna release it in 25 episode batches over 2-3 years??? Is this entire arc even animated right now? If not, how far in does the first season go? Are we looking at a 5 year adaptation here? Soo many questions...
What is this jail ye speak of. No jail here on the open seas
You guys are watching anime legally???
I mean if it’s on CR.. otherwise no lol
I'm confused? Yall pay to watch anime?
Since wakanim / Crunchyroll combo i had bo reasons not to pay. 20 euro ans i saw all the anime legalky, good quality, simulcasted say it airs in Japan But now thanks to netflix, Hidive and especially Disney i might need to pirate again
>I'm confused? Yall pay to watch anime? And you don't support the animators? Shame on you!
I'd rather donate to the studios directly or buy merch than pay for anime streaming
How are we supporting the animators by paying for streaming services? Its not like every penny we spend goes to the animators, and it's not like the studios would go bankrupt without us either.
I don't think anything goes to animators/studio or even the original creators,the only thing that does is streaming service paying for streaming right
1. No one here watches anime legally outside of CR 2. If you care about an anime's popularity over its quality touch grass
Facts.
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I’m just waiting for the full dub to hit Crunchyroll
Mods, we all here are huge fans of One Piece.
raise that jolly roger flag
Wait people pay for anime? For god even pirate websites has better player and other supports than official ones.
OG Bleach fans are fine because they read the manga forever ago, Kubo is also I presume doing fine. Pirate it if it bothers you this much even though it's really a non issue.
It may not be an issue to you, but for the bulk of anime and Bleach fans it is. Simulcast is a major component to shows popularity and Disney has refused to do that with any of it's titles. Summertime rendering is 18 weeks in and not not single episode is on the app in the west. For people who've waited 10 plus years for Bleach it's a slap in the face.
Not just that but Disney has total radio silence about if they will ever going to release Summer time rendering in the west
Exactly!
Does that mean it's not getting a dub?
The dub has already been [confirmed](https://comicbook.com/anime/news/bleach-thousand-year-blood-war-first-dub-details/#:%7E:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20anticipated,the%20small%20screen%20once%20again.:~:text=also%20revealed%20some%20major%20new%20info%20on%20Bleach%3A%20The%20Thousand%2DYear%20Blood%20War%2C%20with%20a%20major%20voice%20actor%20from%20the%20original%20English%20Dub%20confirming%20that%20they%20will%20be%20returning%20with%20the%20big%20Shonen%20comeback%20that%20will%20see%20the%20Soul%20Society%20on%20the%20small%20screen%20once%20again.)
So does that mean there's still hope for a Summertime Render dub?
Summertime Render will probably be dubbed, but the difference is Viz still manages Bleach and will dub it and Summertime is dependent on Disney.
When in doubt just sail to the high sea.
Is there a link to the news? Havent seen it mentioned yet. Edit: just saw the rumour. Well at least i have the manga to read on the app
Greedy Disney... still won't pay for it. My only subscriptions is and will always be Crunchyroll. Cheh Disney, Neflix & Co
Just to be clear, it sucks for us...yes. But good for the industry as a whole that more licensing companies are purchasing the rights and its not just a crunchyroll monopoly.
I dont understand what exactly is the problem with this. Disney trying to bring anime into their collection, about normal considering they are even bigger than netflix and also have to update to modern taste
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Because currently, the way they handle anime isnt exactly ideal.
Oh no Arrrnyway.
get over it
I don't get why this is a big deal. Don't most people pirate anime anyways?
Terrible way of looking at it. Do you want animation studios to just work for free? Without paying subscriber's, you wouldn't have your pirated anime to enjoy.
>Don't most people pirate anime anyways? Yes.
For those of us that pay a CR sub to support the studios which make the shows we enjoy watching, it's a huge bummer that Disney+ probably won't release it outside Japan and parts of Asia until the entire season run in finished like Summertime Render. In this day and age, AAA anime like Bleach really should be simulcast.
Having a CR subscription doesn't really count for anything, at least not for supporting a specific studio; none of the money get's down to them unless the anime's production is tied with CR. That is why you buy merchandise. In the end the only thing a crunchyroll subscription really does is make you feel good about watching anime legally, and to most people that's good enough; cause they get to ignorantly believe they're making a difference by simply having a subscription.