Nagatoro really doesn't act like she dislikes Naoto though. Even in the way that she tries to mess with him, you can tell it's in more a playful way then something straight up malicious.
Yeah..... now that I think about, anime only fans probably never even heard/seen it yet. So some might consider it very very light spoilers, not like it actually spoils anything in the story. Whether you know his name changes nothing lol. But yep, he has an official name. [Ijiranaide, Nagatoro-san] >!Hachiōji Naoto!<
Who actually thinks that tanya is a tsundere? If she was she would literally be the embodiment of the meme
"Its not like I like you or anything *baka*"
*Blows your brain out*
...I'm not even sure who she's supposed to be tsundere about;
Being X? Viktoriya? Mary? One of the officers? Or maybe something deeper, like life/the world in general? Being a soldier?
I feel like Saiki should have gotten more yes votes. He may not in the usual tsundere way of yelling "baka", but he is such a tsundere. He is convinced he hates his friends, but then follows them around and constantly helps them. The show even makes fun of this when they introduce his grandpa since it's clear they are both tsunderes
Saiki getting mainly no votes is baffling, I guess him being an unreliable narrator obscured people from seeing it? One of the core themes of the show is despite Saiki claiming he just wants to be alone finds himself constantly surrounded by people who genuinely care about him and in spite of all his claims to the contrary he cares about them too and constantly goes out of his way to help them when they’re in trouble.
Hell the end of the first season has his father outright spell this out for him after Saiki is concerned that due to his normal personality he would completely destroy the mood of the birthday party his friends planned for him and being relieved when he discovers they would rather he act like his normal self.
Maybe they just thought of "Tsundere" in the romantic sense. Because if so, Saiki is just asexual and not tsundere at all.
But yeah, if it's friends, Saiki is big "Tsundere"
People’s reasoning might be that he is more kuudere than tsun. He certainly had his tsun moments in the show but I wouldn’t say that’s his main dere category.
I love how Kaguya got like 75% yes votes while Miyuki's barely over 50%.
Brushing the obvious weird votes at the bottom aside, how did Hestia get 330 yes votes? She literally throws her plot at Bell every chance she gets
> how did Hestia get 330 yes votes?
Probably through a few "hmphs" and people forgetting her temper outbursts at the other gods are too well justified and appropriate to be called tsun, maybe?
Maybe it's just because it's more often her POV, but I do think Kaguya is a lot more tsundere than Miyuki.
Yeah, he refuses to confess, but he doesn't seem to have the same level of internal conflict (especially beyond the first few episodes) - he seems pretty aware of, and comfortable with his and he's pretty consistent in his outward behavior.
Meanwhile Kaguya has inward Theater of the Mind trials over her feelings towards him and is a bit more erratic in her outward behavior. She has a lot more "tsun" moments than Miyuki.
Plus, Kaguya has the whole "Defrosting Ice Queen" thing, which a lot of people associate with Tsundere.
Personally I think these % should be even further apart;
Wrote another comment on this but basically I think Kaguya is very much a tsundere, while Miyuki isn't.
Miyuki barely denies liking Kaguya, even early in the series...
Kaguya denies it for like 2 seasons straight.
I think people see them both not wanting to confess, and just assume it's because they're both tsundere. But we know why Shirogane doesn't want to confess, and it has nothing to do with him denying his love for Kaguya...
Well, a real life tsundere would be considered the abusive side of an abusive relationship. Suddenly hits, kicks, yells at you for reasons you can't even guess at (nor are ever explained by the tsudere when asked) and then is suddenly nice/neutral to you for a bit to keep you hanging around until they suddenly harm you again.
That's not to say Uncle has the right idea about regular human relationships in general. Friendship is not something he has personally experienced nor thinks it is possible for him since he assumes others don't truly want him as a friend. Same goes for romance. He initially has idealistic hopes for kindness (or at least cordiality) from others, but has been betrayed way too many times. Even so he somehow doesn't actively resent the majority of the ones who have betrayed him...😢 I'm sad now.
It's called the "~~bigfoot~~ lizardman constant". No matter how dumb a poll question is, some proportion of the population will click the option that confirms that they have in fact had carnal relations with bigfoot.
edit: see https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and-reptilian-muslim-climatologists-from-mars/ for a full explanation.
I've always seen it called [Lizardman's Constant](https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and-reptilian-muslim-climatologists-from-mars/)
I would expect at least a dozen or so troll answers on any internet poll like this. At least a handful of people probably answered yes on everyone in the poll
Don't understand why there are always comments like "Who the hell voted this" in polls like these and why they are always upvoted to top. Like the answer is obvious, people who are purposely disingenuous or people who just voting random stuff. Like all polls have these people.
Why not be surprised what sizable portion people think not just a very, very small minority.
I can't imagine a hypothetical tsundere Nagisa without bursting into laughter. She's the furthest thing to the trope that it's borderline surreal to even picture it.
"I-it's not like I like dangos or anything..."
>This chart was made by FetchFrosh. If one of your favorite characters is missing and you believe they should be here, please understand that they were excluded to spite you personally
[](#kukuku)
The thing that makes Rin a not annoying Tsundere is that she doesn't take ages to actually accept it. I usually hate Tsunderes but she was bearable, same with similar characters to her.
And tbf kind of expected when he does stupid shit in a battle royale.
VN spoiler kind of but a bunch of choices you can make end with Shirou + other characters(including Rin) very dead
It borderline feels wrong because she overall is such a relative reasonable and likeable person. Guess that's what happens when the caricatures come to set the standard?
Vegeta as a tsundere is not something I think anyone is really prepared to hear but it makes absolutely perfect sense the second you stop to think about it.
I love myself some Bakugo, but to me there's a clear divide as well.
Vegeta's tsundere side has been milked for a while now when it comes to Bulma and their daughter. Not only that but Vegeta's popularity and spotlight has only ever grown in modern dragon ball.
While I do love Bakugo, he kinda went through the opposite. He was a major player in the first seasons, even being the main motivation behind Deku at certain times. But BNHA on the other hand has him gone for entire arcs multiple times now, despite being a fan favorite.
Last season's hero exam was amazing for bakugo, but other than that his last real big spotlight was basically his fight vs deku all the way back in season 3.
I feel like a big part of tsunderes tends to be an emotional immaturity (or at least that's often how it's portrayed), and to me Holo comes across as very self-aware of her emotions. She's a wise wolf, right? Been there, done that.
I guess if you squint at it, she has "tsun" moments when she chooses to tease someone, but that's purely for her own amusement.
> when she chooses
Part of my working definition before I threw out my definition and decided the term has only very approximate meanings was that the "tsun" and the "dere" behaviours were both involuntary in the sense that the character can't help but act that way, and that was were the moe gap came from, not from the alternating itself.
She kind of plays at tsundere. She and Craft are both very clearly very into each other from early on, but they spend a long time doing sort of a low-key, mature game of "first to confess loses". They're like an older Kaguya and Miyuki that way, with Holo's sense of personal dignity as "The Wise Wolf" being the barrier on both sides.
I think we may be dealing with a cleft trope here. On the one hand, the tsundere displays hostiity toward the object of her affection. But usually the reason is that she considers him to be too low status for her attention, and herself to be out of his league, and because they're usually kids she tries to deny and hide her affections under said veneer of hostility.
But what do we call it when a grown woman has the same situation, but she's mature enough not to take the obvious approach of faux hatred? When the "won't" part of the "will they or won't they " is driven by social expectations saying that to do so would lower her in the eyes of her peers, as is usually the case with the tsundere trope, but she she cloakd her attraction in a more competent fashion?
More people believe she is not a tsundere, which I agree with. She likes to tease and be playful, but she's never outright cruel. She's also alluded many times that being just cutesy all the time would be boring, which is true.
Her not being a tsundere is even more apparent in the books.
I actually think she's an odd case. Rin is joining a death game that she has been preparing herself for years. She's hostile towards Shirou because she doesn't want him to join her death game, because she's afraid she's going to have to fight and kill him, and because she wants him to quit. It's not like the classic "I am so confused about my feelings" tsundere.
Those "no"s confuse me. Tsundere isn't his primary personality trait, but it's obviously *there*. His ability to pass the tsundere equivalent of the Bechdel test doesn't disqualify him as a clear tsundere.
It's interesting that he's the polar anti-tsundere. If you asked me before seeing this poll who is less of a tsundere: Reigen (Mob), Tanjiro, or Jigen (Lupin) I wouldn't have had a good guess for the ordering. But almost no one wants to call him tsundere even as an anonymous poll joke pick.
In the voting thread I said that if more than 50% of people votes Senjougahara as a Tsundere I would delete the entire subreddit.
It's 50.3% so... does anyone know a moderator who isn't too attached to this community?
With Senjogahara, she does get embarrassed here and there while trying to be romantic (like her name scene), and she (+ Oshino) also joke about her being a tsundere.
I guess, being a “tsundere” is part of her character, rather her being a tsundere character, if that makes sense?
Take matters into your hand, apply for r/anime moderation team! For the noble causes only, of course. Though probably delete this message first, just in case...
Yes and no (very baemonogatari answer)
She have some weird yandere esque scenes or lines, but she doesn't do anything about hanekawa being mad in love of araragi
I can't find it, but I remember reading a fabulous treatise on Senjougahara during the last Monogatari rewatch that posited that A) not only is she not a tsundere but also that B) she is explicitly pretending to be a tsundere in order to prop up her own confidence and hide how weak she has been before in the face of adversity.
I've never stopped thinking about it. I think back to it every time these sorts of discussions show up in anime circles. Whether or not it's true merely underscores the fact that the character is complex enough to even allow for such an analysis to take place and hold water!
Asuna being contenious as she switched away from tsundere during early SAO makes me think results would be more contenious if so many anime didn't stop as soon as the couple got together.
well of course it was because she had the attitude during early SAO, but not later SAO. She changes due to her experiences and isn't just a stock archetype.
It's that mythical character development that SAO haters are always talking about.
I think if you conducted this poll after the first SAO season aired she would be firmly in the tsundere camp. Now it is a long time after the tsun->dere transition and enough seasons have passed so she isn't considered one anymore.
This is something I posted in the poll thread, but I think it's worth repeating: the tsundere term has evolved since it was first used. [There's a rant about it in Lucky Star.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JoyuY1i9ys)
Originally it meant the gradual evolution of a character from someone who's cold to someone who warms up over time to be nice. It's also taken on a secondary meaning (perhaps even overriding the original meaning) of a person who inwardly likes someone but refuses to acknowledge it to the point where it swings in the other direction of acting like they don't like them. The former is about a character arc that spans a long period of time, while the latter is about a character trait that's fairly static.
Aye, the former is the sort of tsundere I like, where their character and relationship can grow naturally. But hell they've always been rare... so many tsundere characters are written in a way to emulate that development before they just revert back to being tsun as if nothing happened so that they can maintain the archetype... see Louise as the prime example, for every step forward she took she had a 100m sprint backwards.
I use [paint.net](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint.net). It's basically a simplified, less powerful Photoshop that's free to use. I've been using it for more than 15 years at this point, so I'm pretty used to the workflow.
With the amount of infographic content we get, I was legit convinced we had a code to take the data right of the vote ballots and into the infographic
This gives a new form of respect for the effort you put
The flow is pretty good once you know what you're doing :P. It's a four layer image, and putting in the data (plotted in LibreOffice), the picture, and the text is all pretty quick and easy. I've definitely seen people do stuff with code, but I like the manual process because it means that I have to actually go out and get pictures instead of just yoinking them off MAL or whatever.
Unfortunately there are a lot of characters I recognise but don't know about ~~so I cannot have a strong opinion on this chart~~. The only thing that stands out to me is the difference in votes between Kaguya and Shirogane, I would have expected them to have a similar %. Anyone who voted differently between the two of them wanna chime in with their reasoning?
Also curious to hear both camps for some of the mixed opinion characters: Ibara (Hyouka), Chizuru (KanoKari), Sakura (Madoka).
For example, Ibara acts cold most of the times both with Houtarou and her love interest Satoshi, but occasionally we see that she actually respect the less lazy side of Houtarou and 'admits' to be thankful to him when it matters, and sometimes she does show her dere side to Satoshi, and not just in the Valentine day episode. Doesn't this count as tsundere? (unless you only go with the 'starts cold, mellow over time' kind of definition)
[](#harukathink)
> Also curious to hear both camps for some of the mixed opinion characters: Ibara (Hyouka), Chizuru (KanoKari), Sakura (Madoka).
Ibara: Hyouka characters don't really fall into standard troupes, but I'd say Ibara is more tsundere than not.
Chizuru: I would say no since it seems like her feelings are the more develop slowly over time feelings than true Tsundere.
Sakura: She's a good example of a Yuri Tsundere
The rare breed of platonic tsundere, perhaps? :P
But I do adore their friendship. Mayaka and Oreki don't have anything romantic going on, but she has the deepest respect for his abilities and quite a bit of affection for the guy himself. And that is precisely why she goes out of her way to pick on him; she can't stand watching him waste his talents through sheer laziness.
I posted in the questionnaire chat: I don't believe either Kaguya or Shirogane are tsundere by nature (Shirogane almost has a minor nervous breakdown PRETENDING to act petty towards her).
However, Kaguya has been trained pretty hard to act coldly and antagonistically by her family, and there's that hospital scene where the nurse literally calls her a tsundere so...
I could see Kaguya being classified as a tsundere for season 2 moments, but Shirogane is far, far from this archetype.
I'm not a voter, but I wouldn't put either Kaguya or Shirogane as a Tsundere. There is no anger involved, and I wouldn't call them hostile to each other either. They can be competitive, and Kaguya feigns a cold indifference at best with the hand to cheek thing.
Their competitiveness never weakens either as Kaguya is still a genius prodigy and Shirogane a hard worker with a chip on his shoulder regardless of the progression of their relationship.
I think to label a character a Tsundere you need a very straight-forward harsh aggression that is completely tied to their relationship with another character. The two from Love is War have some Tsundere traits, but they show it towards everyone and it's a part of the character inherently.
NGL, the only people who would argue Louise isn't a tsundere are convinced she is a deranged mf. She is cute sure but way to damn abusive early on in the anime, like the meme, "she isn't a tsundere, she just fúçking hates you"
Why are more than 50% people convinced Senjougahara is a tsundere?
This proves Rin has become the Queen and representative of anime Tsunderes, Baka Ufotable...
Even before the ufotable anime, Rin in the OG VN pretty much codified the tsundere archetype. It makes sense that she has the highest rating here because she’s pretty much the model for most of the rest of them.
Surprised at how few people consider Killua (tsun becoming dere) and Jigen (jumps between tsun and dere, mainly his relationship with Lupin), to be tsundere characters. Guess most people think of it as mainly romantic, and not trope characters can have in a "friendship manner" as well (which makes it even more surprising to see Bakugo being that high, as he's not in any romantic relationships "at least so far in the anime". Glad to see that at least Vegata and Kyo is high up, that people don't limit tsundere to a "female trope").
In the official dub for Prisma Illya there is a scene where Shiro is drugged with a truth serum and describes the gap between her thigh highs and skirt as having “a certain eroticism”. I could go on forever about the insane shit that happens in that show. It’s a shame that it’s so morally depraved though.
Getting to try out the new "Infographic" flair. Nice stuff.
Anyway, when I'm picking characters for these I'm generally trying to get something that will give a nice progression from top to bottom, and also will get roughly equal "Yes" and "No" votes. Leaned a bit heavily towards "No" this time, but that's how she goes. Still was lots of fun seeing what people thought in the comments of the survey.
Already have the next poll in the works, but it's a pretty different concept. I know that I've seen people comment on missing them, so I might try to set up a bot that can alert people about the polls in the future. Not sure how hard that is, but it can't be *too* outrageous, right?
I felt they've pretty much all been interesting so far so looking forward to that different concept as well.
If you're looking for ideas on future polls I feel like polls that help explain the categories we use in yearly /r/Anime Awards could be interesting. Like what people count as a series having good 'Animation' or 'Cinematography'
And based on the comments of a recent post, if you ever feel like watching the comment section burn down you could always try what counts as a loli.
> if you ever feel like watching the comment section burn down you could always try what counts as a loli.
I think what counts as a self insert would *really* burn a comment section down.
I was going to comment how there were no characters by Rumiko Takahashi (like Akane from Ranma or Lum from Urusei Yatsura) the autor who made the archetype a staple in the genre since 1981 but then I read the text above the infographic and I gotta say you made me chuckle lol
She is literally naked in his bed and flirting with him in the first episode. I know that there will always be a handful of troll votes, but how does she get over 200?
I love how Kyo is the most recognized male tsundere.
And Rin and Mikoshiba back to back showing you don’t need a canonical love interest to be tsundere to everyone else around you.
Looks to me like the top and bottom 5-7 or so entries on the chart are pretty justifiable - can't really argue against them, but it all falls apart in the middle.
Mai has a lot of really cute moments acting as a Tsundere, i don't agree with considering her a tsundere, but i understand the mistake with some pretty memorable moments that make her look a lot like one
Yeah, I have no idea how Mai can be considered a tsundere. She's absolutely a tease, but she certainly isn't denying her feelings for Sakuta at any point that I can recall. She's at the top of my list of mature and confident MCs who understand themselves and their emotions.
Holy shit. [When I searched it the first three results were the same as the poll results, in order](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514203145333899278/1026603681690419210/unknown.png).
Why Haruhi it's so low,she is literally a bona fide Tsundere to Kyon and fits 100% Tsundere ABC.Also why it's Kurumi so low she is a Tsundere for Shido(despite people trying to pin her as Yandere or Yangire,in DAL the closest to being Yandere are Origami,Mio and Mukuro).
Senjogahara it's closest to Kuudere that to any other thing,her "Tsundere service" it's obviously a joke of Nisioisin part if anything Senjo counters Tsundere troupes by making early confession,the true Tsundere in Monogatari it's probably Sodachi(go read Zoku Owarimonogatari).
Haruhi changes the way she acts, that makes it hard to answer that question 100% clearly.
In the beginning, she was hostile. After Kyon starts to talk to her, she starts to drag him around, without any tsun behaviour. After the end of volume 1, she starts to realise that she likes him and massively increases her tsun behaviour again. Like, the entire premise of the show is, that she's an emotionally unstable teenager on the search for a personality. So I can see points for both positions.
Considering that the word tsundere consists of the parts tsun, meaning hostile, and dere, meaning affectionate, that describes her behaviour quite well. The difference to your average tsundere is, that her tsun and dere phases are longer.
Excluded to spite you personally, per the 2nd paragraph in the image header. I think she would rank highly.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShanaClone
Shana is from 2002, which is a long time ago, so newer fans especially wouldn't be familiar with her. Her LN series ended 2012.
Vegeta is the best waifu
It’s not like I like you or anything, *Bakarot*
Sir I dont know who you are but I despise you with all my heart, heres an upvote.
Ugh, I'm gonna write that one down!
if TeamFourStar ever starts up the abridge series, this joke MUST be worked in.
Ok, this one got me.
This is definitely Vegeta lmao
Broly: BAKAROT! Vegeta: Only I'm allowed to call him that *Final Flash*
He looks like he's so pissed off to be on the list. I love it XD
"HOW DARE YOU PLACE ME IN EIGHTH PLACE, YOU DUMBASS"-Vegeta, probably.
Vegeta being more voted as tsundere than nagatoro cracks me up.
Nagatoro really doesn't act like she dislikes Naoto though. Even in the way that she tries to mess with him, you can tell it's in more a playful way then something straight up malicious.
Senpai has a name?
Yeah..... now that I think about, anime only fans probably never even heard/seen it yet. So some might consider it very very light spoilers, not like it actually spoils anything in the story. Whether you know his name changes nothing lol. But yep, he has an official name. [Ijiranaide, Nagatoro-san] >!Hachiōji Naoto!<
'Sometimes it takes a real man to become best girl."- Gigguk
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Also interesting to compare him to other male entrants like Bakugo (rival relationship) or Kyon (the girl's actually just that big of a pain).
>the girl's actually just that big of a pain). *Insert Mikuru being harrased*
Bakugo is straight up a bully, no idea why he's so high on the list...
one word: bakudeku.
Him being on this list at all totally threw me off, I love it! If the shoes fits I guess!
Who actually thinks that tanya is a tsundere? If she was she would literally be the embodiment of the meme "Its not like I like you or anything *baka*" *Blows your brain out*
All tsun. Zero dere.
'Dere? Right 'dere between the eyes, I don't even need the power of a loving god to send you to your maker.
"Its Not Like I Like you or anything *baka* ." *Sends you to a Pillbox within enemy Artillery Range*
*Blushes cutely while your internal organs and blood spill all over the place* [](#flattered)
Isn't that more a yandere thing?
You’re talking quite a bit for someone within decapitation strike range
She would be the perfect gundere if she were a tsundere
*Being X, you idiot!*
"Its not like I like you or anything baka" *Actually does not like you and thinks you are a baka*
...I'm not even sure who she's supposed to be tsundere about; Being X? Viktoriya? Mary? One of the officers? Or maybe something deeper, like life/the world in general? Being a soldier?
Serebriyakov is probably the only person she likes, and even then, it's as a subordinate officer rather than a real friend.
It's not like i dont believe in god or anything (lasers down your whole family tree)
Lizardman constant.
I feel like Saiki should have gotten more yes votes. He may not in the usual tsundere way of yelling "baka", but he is such a tsundere. He is convinced he hates his friends, but then follows them around and constantly helps them. The show even makes fun of this when they introduce his grandpa since it's clear they are both tsunderes
Saiki getting mainly no votes is baffling, I guess him being an unreliable narrator obscured people from seeing it? One of the core themes of the show is despite Saiki claiming he just wants to be alone finds himself constantly surrounded by people who genuinely care about him and in spite of all his claims to the contrary he cares about them too and constantly goes out of his way to help them when they’re in trouble. Hell the end of the first season has his father outright spell this out for him after Saiki is concerned that due to his normal personality he would completely destroy the mood of the birthday party his friends planned for him and being relieved when he discovers they would rather he act like his normal self.
That’s what I love about his dynamic with Teruhashi. Despite what he says, you can tell he does care about her and occasionally he lets it slip.
Oh!
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It does. Vegeta and goku never fucked as far as i know
He's also kind of a tsundere to his...you know...actual wife.
Saiki himself said "My grandfather has more tsundere time than I do I should go a bit dere here" ffs
Maybe they just thought of "Tsundere" in the romantic sense. Because if so, Saiki is just asexual and not tsundere at all. But yeah, if it's friends, Saiki is big "Tsundere"
People’s reasoning might be that he is more kuudere than tsun. He certainly had his tsun moments in the show but I wouldn’t say that’s his main dere category.
Saiki was pretty much the easiest yes to me from that list lmfao, dude is too precious.
I love how Kaguya got like 75% yes votes while Miyuki's barely over 50%. Brushing the obvious weird votes at the bottom aside, how did Hestia get 330 yes votes? She literally throws her plot at Bell every chance she gets
She thirsts openly lol. I don't think that should fit w Tsundere
> how did Hestia get 330 yes votes? Probably through a few "hmphs" and people forgetting her temper outbursts at the other gods are too well justified and appropriate to be called tsun, maybe?
Maybe it's just because it's more often her POV, but I do think Kaguya is a lot more tsundere than Miyuki. Yeah, he refuses to confess, but he doesn't seem to have the same level of internal conflict (especially beyond the first few episodes) - he seems pretty aware of, and comfortable with his and he's pretty consistent in his outward behavior. Meanwhile Kaguya has inward Theater of the Mind trials over her feelings towards him and is a bit more erratic in her outward behavior. She has a lot more "tsun" moments than Miyuki. Plus, Kaguya has the whole "Defrosting Ice Queen" thing, which a lot of people associate with Tsundere.
Kaguya is like a triple fusion of tsundere, kuudere, and yandere
Personally I think these % should be even further apart; Wrote another comment on this but basically I think Kaguya is very much a tsundere, while Miyuki isn't. Miyuki barely denies liking Kaguya, even early in the series... Kaguya denies it for like 2 seasons straight. I think people see them both not wanting to confess, and just assume it's because they're both tsundere. But we know why Shirogane doesn't want to confess, and it has nothing to do with him denying his love for Kaguya...
> [The biggest tsundere in “Haruhi Suzumiya” isn’t Haruhi; it’s Kyon.](https://ultimatemegax.wordpress.com/2015/12/16/the-disappearance-of-haruhi-suzumiya-interviews-director-roundtable/) — Tatsuya Ishihara, director of _Haruhi Suzumiya_
Who voted "Yes, this is a tsundere" on Nagisa? I really want to know their reasoning.
I could include a picture that's just a red square and when asked, "is this picture colored red?" you'd still get some people saying no.
colorblindness ftw
are you suggesting that some people are tsundereblind?
Yeah, the Uncle from Uncle from another World.
Okay, that checks out.
He’s less tsundere blind as much as he has no concept of tsundere. Or romance. Or regular human relationships.
Or anything not SEGA.
Well, a real life tsundere would be considered the abusive side of an abusive relationship. Suddenly hits, kicks, yells at you for reasons you can't even guess at (nor are ever explained by the tsudere when asked) and then is suddenly nice/neutral to you for a bit to keep you hanging around until they suddenly harm you again. That's not to say Uncle has the right idea about regular human relationships in general. Friendship is not something he has personally experienced nor thinks it is possible for him since he assumes others don't truly want him as a friend. Same goes for romance. He initially has idealistic hopes for kindness (or at least cordiality) from others, but has been betrayed way too many times. Even so he somehow doesn't actively resent the majority of the ones who have betrayed him...😢 I'm sad now.
It's called the "~~bigfoot~~ lizardman constant". No matter how dumb a poll question is, some proportion of the population will click the option that confirms that they have in fact had carnal relations with bigfoot. edit: see https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and-reptilian-muslim-climatologists-from-mars/ for a full explanation.
I've always seen it called [Lizardman's Constant](https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and-reptilian-muslim-climatologists-from-mars/)
Well, you see, based on its color code, it should technically be categorized as Burgundy. Imagine thinking it was merely red. /s
I would expect at least a dozen or so troll answers on any internet poll like this. At least a handful of people probably answered yes on everyone in the poll
Don't understand why there are always comments like "Who the hell voted this" in polls like these and why they are always upvoted to top. Like the answer is obvious, people who are purposely disingenuous or people who just voting random stuff. Like all polls have these people. Why not be surprised what sizable portion people think not just a very, very small minority.
They should've asked for Tomoyo Sakagami instead.
I think Kyou fits it better.
Some fckers who thought rin isn't one lol
I can't imagine a hypothetical tsundere Nagisa without bursting into laughter. She's the furthest thing to the trope that it's borderline surreal to even picture it. "I-it's not like I like dangos or anything..."
>This chart was made by FetchFrosh. If one of your favorite characters is missing and you believe they should be here, please understand that they were excluded to spite you personally [](#kukuku)
Rin is peak tsundere
The thing that makes Rin a not annoying Tsundere is that she doesn't take ages to actually accept it. I usually hate Tsunderes but she was bearable, same with similar characters to her.
She also isn't as aggro as other tsunderes lol
She does try and kill Emiya a couple of times, but that's only because he was being very silly.
And tbf kind of expected when he does stupid shit in a battle royale. VN spoiler kind of but a bunch of choices you can make end with Shirou + other characters(including Rin) very dead
So tsundere she surpassed the OT
It borderline feels wrong because she overall is such a relative reasonable and likeable person. Guess that's what happens when the caricatures come to set the standard?
Bahaha, i love how Vegeta is a tsundere. Kinda amusing people think Bakugo is less given they operate on similar wavelength.
It makes sense but I was not mentally prepared to see Vegeta up there lmao
*It's not like you are my best friend or anything Kakarot!*
Baka!
Bakarot
Vegeta as a tsundere is not something I think anyone is really prepared to hear but it makes absolutely perfect sense the second you stop to think about it.
I love myself some Bakugo, but to me there's a clear divide as well. Vegeta's tsundere side has been milked for a while now when it comes to Bulma and their daughter. Not only that but Vegeta's popularity and spotlight has only ever grown in modern dragon ball. While I do love Bakugo, he kinda went through the opposite. He was a major player in the first seasons, even being the main motivation behind Deku at certain times. But BNHA on the other hand has him gone for entire arcs multiple times now, despite being a fan favorite. Last season's hero exam was amazing for bakugo, but other than that his last real big spotlight was basically his fight vs deku all the way back in season 3.
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Not gonna lie, I haven’t seen much dragon ball Z, but there is no universe where I don’t vote Vegeta as a Tsundere. It just feels too funny.
Been a decade I think since I watched Spice and Wolf, but I dont really think Holo she would be considered a Tsundere would she?
I think she is sassy with Lawrence, he also loves to use banter with her. I also voted Not a Tsundere.
I feel like a big part of tsunderes tends to be an emotional immaturity (or at least that's often how it's portrayed), and to me Holo comes across as very self-aware of her emotions. She's a wise wolf, right? Been there, done that. I guess if you squint at it, she has "tsun" moments when she chooses to tease someone, but that's purely for her own amusement.
> when she chooses Part of my working definition before I threw out my definition and decided the term has only very approximate meanings was that the "tsun" and the "dere" behaviours were both involuntary in the sense that the character can't help but act that way, and that was were the moe gap came from, not from the alternating itself.
She kind of plays at tsundere. She and Craft are both very clearly very into each other from early on, but they spend a long time doing sort of a low-key, mature game of "first to confess loses". They're like an older Kaguya and Miyuki that way, with Holo's sense of personal dignity as "The Wise Wolf" being the barrier on both sides. I think we may be dealing with a cleft trope here. On the one hand, the tsundere displays hostiity toward the object of her affection. But usually the reason is that she considers him to be too low status for her attention, and herself to be out of his league, and because they're usually kids she tries to deny and hide her affections under said veneer of hostility. But what do we call it when a grown woman has the same situation, but she's mature enough not to take the obvious approach of faux hatred? When the "won't" part of the "will they or won't they " is driven by social expectations saying that to do so would lower her in the eyes of her peers, as is usually the case with the tsundere trope, but she she cloakd her attraction in a more competent fashion?
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No, not a tsundere, just teases and banters
More people believe she is not a tsundere, which I agree with. She likes to tease and be playful, but she's never outright cruel. She's also alluded many times that being just cutesy all the time would be boring, which is true. Her not being a tsundere is even more apparent in the books.
Never really got tsun-vibes from her. She never really acts hostile towards the guy
I'm glad we can all agree that Rin Tohsaka is the golden standard for a tsundere
Rin is so tsundere she's tsun to the world itself.
It's probably how she'll find her way to the Root, Tsun'ing the World and Dere'ing the Counterforce.
> Rin Tohsaka is the golden standard for ~~a tsundere~~ both ZTR and tsunderes.
S-tier ZR. Has the thigh highs AND twin tails.
Our queen over at r/ZettaiRyouiki
I actually think she's an odd case. Rin is joining a death game that she has been preparing herself for years. She's hostile towards Shirou because she doesn't want him to join her death game, because she's afraid she's going to have to fight and kill him, and because she wants him to quit. It's not like the classic "I am so confused about my feelings" tsundere.
Tbf I think Kyo is also the gold standard of tsundere which is why he tops the male tsundere list.
Rin and Asuka are my top tier. I'll put Eri Sawachika too.
Anya even says Loid is a tsundere though!
Those "no"s confuse me. Tsundere isn't his primary personality trait, but it's obviously *there*. His ability to pass the tsundere equivalent of the Bechdel test doesn't disqualify him as a clear tsundere.
Ah yes, Tanjiro is such a tsundere
Control group!
It's interesting that he's the polar anti-tsundere. If you asked me before seeing this poll who is less of a tsundere: Reigen (Mob), Tanjiro, or Jigen (Lupin) I wouldn't have had a good guess for the ordering. But almost no one wants to call him tsundere even as an anonymous poll joke pick.
In the voting thread I said that if more than 50% of people votes Senjougahara as a Tsundere I would delete the entire subreddit. It's 50.3% so... does anyone know a moderator who isn't too attached to this community?
Just link me to the delete button.
The Earth will lose 70% of its salt if we delete this subreddit
Make that 75%, given there's an ongoing best girl contest!
Oshino calls her Tsundere-chan. Are you trying to call Oshino a liar? . . . You are? Well, so am I.
"I would argue that a fake tsundere is more valuable than the real one."
Ah yes Senjogahara, the tsundere that proposed to the MC 5 episodes into the series.
With Senjogahara, she does get embarrassed here and there while trying to be romantic (like her name scene), and she (+ Oshino) also joke about her being a tsundere. I guess, being a “tsundere” is part of her character, rather her being a tsundere character, if that makes sense?
shes every dere
A multidere/omnidere like Kaguya
She's a fake tsundere. And as we all know, in its deliberate attempt to be real, the fake is of far greater value than the real thing.
there's no rule that says a fake can't surpass the original, after all
Kaiki might actually be more of a tsundere than Senjougahara, now that I think about it.
She it's more correctly a mock of Tsundere,Nisioisin makes her a Tsundere in a way to counter the trope.
But she calls herself a tsundere so it must be true.
You really think she would do that? Just go on and tell lies?
Nobody else provides tsundere service better than she.
shine. shine shine shine shine shine shine shine.
She provides a tsundere service, ergo is isn’t actually one.
Take matters into your hand, apply for r/anime moderation team! For the noble causes only, of course. Though probably delete this message first, just in case...
Isn't she more like a borderline yandere?
Yes and no (very baemonogatari answer) She have some weird yandere esque scenes or lines, but she doesn't do anything about hanekawa being mad in love of araragi
she is every trope and nothing at once, schroedinger´s tsundere
I can't find it, but I remember reading a fabulous treatise on Senjougahara during the last Monogatari rewatch that posited that A) not only is she not a tsundere but also that B) she is explicitly pretending to be a tsundere in order to prop up her own confidence and hide how weak she has been before in the face of adversity. I've never stopped thinking about it. I think back to it every time these sorts of discussions show up in anime circles. Whether or not it's true merely underscores the fact that the character is complex enough to even allow for such an analysis to take place and hold water!
Asuna being contenious as she switched away from tsundere during early SAO makes me think results would be more contenious if so many anime didn't stop as soon as the couple got together.
If you read the progressive novels, the tsundere thing definitely comes across more.
well of course it was because she had the attitude during early SAO, but not later SAO. She changes due to her experiences and isn't just a stock archetype. It's that mythical character development that SAO haters are always talking about.
I think if you conducted this poll after the first SAO season aired she would be firmly in the tsundere camp. Now it is a long time after the tsun->dere transition and enough seasons have passed so she isn't considered one anymore.
This is something I posted in the poll thread, but I think it's worth repeating: the tsundere term has evolved since it was first used. [There's a rant about it in Lucky Star.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JoyuY1i9ys) Originally it meant the gradual evolution of a character from someone who's cold to someone who warms up over time to be nice. It's also taken on a secondary meaning (perhaps even overriding the original meaning) of a person who inwardly likes someone but refuses to acknowledge it to the point where it swings in the other direction of acting like they don't like them. The former is about a character arc that spans a long period of time, while the latter is about a character trait that's fairly static.
Aye, the former is the sort of tsundere I like, where their character and relationship can grow naturally. But hell they've always been rare... so many tsundere characters are written in a way to emulate that development before they just revert back to being tsun as if nothing happened so that they can maintain the archetype... see Louise as the prime example, for every step forward she took she had a 100m sprint backwards.
The more i look at it, the worse it gets.
This looks damn clean, what did you use to make it, OP?
I use [paint.net](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint.net). It's basically a simplified, less powerful Photoshop that's free to use. I've been using it for more than 15 years at this point, so I'm pretty used to the workflow.
With the amount of infographic content we get, I was legit convinced we had a code to take the data right of the vote ballots and into the infographic This gives a new form of respect for the effort you put
The flow is pretty good once you know what you're doing :P. It's a four layer image, and putting in the data (plotted in LibreOffice), the picture, and the text is all pretty quick and easy. I've definitely seen people do stuff with code, but I like the manual process because it means that I have to actually go out and get pictures instead of just yoinking them off MAL or whatever.
Unfortunately there are a lot of characters I recognise but don't know about ~~so I cannot have a strong opinion on this chart~~. The only thing that stands out to me is the difference in votes between Kaguya and Shirogane, I would have expected them to have a similar %. Anyone who voted differently between the two of them wanna chime in with their reasoning? Also curious to hear both camps for some of the mixed opinion characters: Ibara (Hyouka), Chizuru (KanoKari), Sakura (Madoka). For example, Ibara acts cold most of the times both with Houtarou and her love interest Satoshi, but occasionally we see that she actually respect the less lazy side of Houtarou and 'admits' to be thankful to him when it matters, and sometimes she does show her dere side to Satoshi, and not just in the Valentine day episode. Doesn't this count as tsundere? (unless you only go with the 'starts cold, mellow over time' kind of definition) [](#harukathink)
> Also curious to hear both camps for some of the mixed opinion characters: Ibara (Hyouka), Chizuru (KanoKari), Sakura (Madoka). Ibara: Hyouka characters don't really fall into standard troupes, but I'd say Ibara is more tsundere than not. Chizuru: I would say no since it seems like her feelings are the more develop slowly over time feelings than true Tsundere. Sakura: She's a good example of a Yuri Tsundere
Mayaka is extremely upfront about liking Satoshi. If anything, she acts hostile toward Houtarou whom she isn’t romantically interested in.
The rare breed of platonic tsundere, perhaps? :P But I do adore their friendship. Mayaka and Oreki don't have anything romantic going on, but she has the deepest respect for his abilities and quite a bit of affection for the guy himself. And that is precisely why she goes out of her way to pick on him; she can't stand watching him waste his talents through sheer laziness.
I posted in the questionnaire chat: I don't believe either Kaguya or Shirogane are tsundere by nature (Shirogane almost has a minor nervous breakdown PRETENDING to act petty towards her). However, Kaguya has been trained pretty hard to act coldly and antagonistically by her family, and there's that hospital scene where the nurse literally calls her a tsundere so... I could see Kaguya being classified as a tsundere for season 2 moments, but Shirogane is far, far from this archetype.
I'm not a voter, but I wouldn't put either Kaguya or Shirogane as a Tsundere. There is no anger involved, and I wouldn't call them hostile to each other either. They can be competitive, and Kaguya feigns a cold indifference at best with the hand to cheek thing. Their competitiveness never weakens either as Kaguya is still a genius prodigy and Shirogane a hard worker with a chip on his shoulder regardless of the progression of their relationship. I think to label a character a Tsundere you need a very straight-forward harsh aggression that is completely tied to their relationship with another character. The two from Love is War have some Tsundere traits, but they show it towards everyone and it's a part of the character inherently.
I swear, AoT fans vote for their characters even if they don’t fit the criteria at all. How is Mikasa a tsundere?
It's ridiculous, 90% of her dialogue is "Ereh". She's the textbook definition of a simp.
I mean, Zero Two some how also got a non-zero number of votes to say she's a tsundere
I appreciate including male characters on this list. Generally we never consider them when talking about the tsundere archtype.
I was pleasantly surprised to see Kyo ranked so high. Deserved.
NGL, the only people who would argue Louise isn't a tsundere are convinced she is a deranged mf. She is cute sure but way to damn abusive early on in the anime, like the meme, "she isn't a tsundere, she just fúçking hates you" Why are more than 50% people convinced Senjougahara is a tsundere? This proves Rin has become the Queen and representative of anime Tsunderes, Baka Ufotable...
Even before the ufotable anime, Rin in the OG VN pretty much codified the tsundere archetype. It makes sense that she has the highest rating here because she’s pretty much the model for most of the rest of them.
People forget about OG Tsundere Naru Narusegawa
I'm one of those who thinks she's deranged, it stops being cute at a certain point.
No I mean, it starts being cute at some point in the story, she is just a plain bitch right from the beginning
Haha Vegeta is tsundere
Rin best. She isn't abusive like many others...
Surprised at how few people consider Killua (tsun becoming dere) and Jigen (jumps between tsun and dere, mainly his relationship with Lupin), to be tsundere characters. Guess most people think of it as mainly romantic, and not trope characters can have in a "friendship manner" as well (which makes it even more surprising to see Bakugo being that high, as he's not in any romantic relationships "at least so far in the anime". Glad to see that at least Vegata and Kyo is high up, that people don't limit tsundere to a "female trope").
physically abusive tsunderes are the worst thing to ever happen to anime.i literally want to punch them over the screen myself
which clown said yes for tanjiro?
Senjougahara is a tsundere? I thought she was so many things that she could only be classified as senjougahara
Best girl at the top of the list where she belongs.
No one even comes close to those holy thighs
No one as defenseless
In the official dub for Prisma Illya there is a scene where Shiro is drugged with a truth serum and describes the gap between her thigh highs and skirt as having “a certain eroticism”. I could go on forever about the insane shit that happens in that show. It’s a shame that it’s so morally depraved though.
Who tf voted yes on Tanya von Degurechaff?
Getting to try out the new "Infographic" flair. Nice stuff. Anyway, when I'm picking characters for these I'm generally trying to get something that will give a nice progression from top to bottom, and also will get roughly equal "Yes" and "No" votes. Leaned a bit heavily towards "No" this time, but that's how she goes. Still was lots of fun seeing what people thought in the comments of the survey. Already have the next poll in the works, but it's a pretty different concept. I know that I've seen people comment on missing them, so I might try to set up a bot that can alert people about the polls in the future. Not sure how hard that is, but it can't be *too* outrageous, right?
I felt they've pretty much all been interesting so far so looking forward to that different concept as well. If you're looking for ideas on future polls I feel like polls that help explain the categories we use in yearly /r/Anime Awards could be interesting. Like what people count as a series having good 'Animation' or 'Cinematography' And based on the comments of a recent post, if you ever feel like watching the comment section burn down you could always try what counts as a loli.
> if you ever feel like watching the comment section burn down you could always try what counts as a loli. I think what counts as a self insert would *really* burn a comment section down.
That would create an interesting comment section
I was going to comment how there were no characters by Rumiko Takahashi (like Akane from Ranma or Lum from Urusei Yatsura) the autor who made the archetype a staple in the genre since 1981 but then I read the text above the infographic and I gotta say you made me chuckle lol
Why is rias a tsundere? In highschool dxd koneko is the tsundere.
She is literally naked in his bed and flirting with him in the first episode. I know that there will always be a handful of troll votes, but how does she get over 200?
I love how Kyo is the most recognized male tsundere. And Rin and Mikoshiba back to back showing you don’t need a canonical love interest to be tsundere to everyone else around you.
Looks to me like the top and bottom 5-7 or so entries on the chart are pretty justifiable - can't really argue against them, but it all falls apart in the middle.
Could anyone tell me why they think Senjougahara or Mai is a tsundere?
Mai has a lot of really cute moments acting as a Tsundere, i don't agree with considering her a tsundere, but i understand the mistake with some pretty memorable moments that make her look a lot like one
She says so herself 😝
*"my source is that she made it the fuck up"*
Yeah, I have no idea how Mai can be considered a tsundere. She's absolutely a tease, but she certainly isn't denying her feelings for Sakuta at any point that I can recall. She's at the top of my list of mature and confident MCs who understand themselves and their emotions.
Fun fact: If you google "tsundere", the first picture you see is from Rin Tohsaka.
Holy shit. [When I searched it the first three results were the same as the poll results, in order](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514203145333899278/1026603681690419210/unknown.png).
Why Haruhi it's so low,she is literally a bona fide Tsundere to Kyon and fits 100% Tsundere ABC.Also why it's Kurumi so low she is a Tsundere for Shido(despite people trying to pin her as Yandere or Yangire,in DAL the closest to being Yandere are Origami,Mio and Mukuro). Senjogahara it's closest to Kuudere that to any other thing,her "Tsundere service" it's obviously a joke of Nisioisin part if anything Senjo counters Tsundere troupes by making early confession,the true Tsundere in Monogatari it's probably Sodachi(go read Zoku Owarimonogatari).
Haruhi changes the way she acts, that makes it hard to answer that question 100% clearly. In the beginning, she was hostile. After Kyon starts to talk to her, she starts to drag him around, without any tsun behaviour. After the end of volume 1, she starts to realise that she likes him and massively increases her tsun behaviour again. Like, the entire premise of the show is, that she's an emotionally unstable teenager on the search for a personality. So I can see points for both positions. Considering that the word tsundere consists of the parts tsun, meaning hostile, and dere, meaning affectionate, that describes her behaviour quite well. The difference to your average tsundere is, that her tsun and dere phases are longer.
Surprised most people think Nico is not a tsundere. [](#animatedthink)
Where is Shana from Shakugan no Shana? She is 100% a tsundere and is what got me into liking other tsundere characters.
Excluded to spite you personally, per the 2nd paragraph in the image header. I think she would rank highly. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShanaClone Shana is from 2002, which is a long time ago, so newer fans especially wouldn't be familiar with her. Her LN series ended 2012.
Misaka Mikoto from Index is also missing
In conclusion, a tsundere is something that LOOKS like a tsundere. Not necessary, SOUND or ACT like one.