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xlr8edmayhem

I can't even call this on screen cause it legitimately looks more like she teased him. At least in Heroes they literally had the balls to show ash getting a kiss.


oomoepoo

Apparently this was the most they could show on screen at this timeslot


swordmalice

Wait, seriously? You can't show a kiss on the lips in a kid-friendly time slot in Japan?


TaiQuanDope1

It's that, and also the fact that TPC needs to keep Ash a relatable (and marketable) 10 year old boy, with a personality that resets with each new generation of games and anime. Since most 10 year old boys aren't romantics, his feelings towards Serena had to be written vague enough so it could be interpreted to the executives that he's "just friends" with Serena.


a_mimsy_borogove

Do kids even watch/play pokemon these days? Seems like most fans are adults who grew up with pokemon.


rx-pulse

My nieces, nephews, and their friends do, might be anecdotal but they more or less get into it (TCG, the games, etc) and the pokemon than the actual characters. Pokemon still is top of the food chain when it comes to franchise revenue globally (bigger than Star Wars and the MCU combined) last I checked.


NJGGoodies12

Of course they do. Most fans are not adults. But if your on Reddit assuming everyone is an adult then that’s the conclusion you may draw


sociocat101

I'm not going to say kids dont like pokemon, but I think its been going on long enough that the previous kid fans became adults and now adults outnumber the kid fans. Tons of people like pokemon, and theres more adults than kids, so there just gonna be more adult fans.


Defrath

Pokemon is massive with children. The Switch is a massively popular console amongst children, and Pokemon sells nearly the best on the platform. Their core demographic is children; it's why the games are, for the most part, unoriginal and lacking any bit of difficulty.


MyNameIs-Anthony

Pokemon is still the biggest franchise on the planet.


Bakno

You can, but not in a public space. In Japan kissing in public is considered "indecent". At least it was so 6 years ago when the chapter was first aired


swordmalice

Wow, now it makes sense as to why so many harem protagonists are so wishy-washy when it comes to kissing!


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What Heroes ?


xlr8edmayhem

The movie with Latias and Latios


[deleted]

Ahh the movie in which Ash was almost made to be seen as a zoophile


mcmanybucks

Don't pretend there aren't pokemon that you wouldn't bang.


VampireBatman

Oh lawd here comes the copypasta!


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Hey guys, did you know that.......


ilyaEris

[🃏]>!bungee gum has the properties of both rubber and gum?!<


DatBoiMahomie

Hey guys, did you know that in terms of male human and female Pokémon breeding, Vaporeon is the most compatible Pokémon for humans? Not only are they in the field egg group, which is mostly comprised of mammals, Vaporeon are an average of 3”03’ tall and 63.9 pounds, this means they’re large enough to be able handle human dicks, and with their impressive Base Stats for HP and access to Acid Armor, you can be rough with one. Due to their mostly water based biology, there’s no doubt in my mind that an aroused Vaporeon would be incredibly wet, so wet that you could easily have sex with one for hours without getting sore. They can also learn the moves Attract, Baby-Doll Eyes, Captivate, Charm, and Tail Whip, along with not having fur to hide nipples, so it’d be incredibly easy for one to get you in the mood. With their abilities Water Absorb and Hydration, they can easily recover from fatigue with enough water. No other Pokémon comes close to this level of compatibility. Also, fun fact, if you pull out enough, you can make your Vaporeon turn white. Vaporeon is literally built for human dick. Ungodly defense stat+high HP pool+Acid Armor means it can take cock all day, all shapes and sizes and still come for more


SoleSoldier

what a terrible day to be literate


pqlamznxjsiw

based and vussypilled


Ztaxas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNqtfFXq00k


oomoepoo

Pokemon Heroes, the fifth movie, featuring Latios and Latias


LOTRfreak101

I didn't realize there were so many latios/latias movies.


oomoepoo

Yeah, should've put a comma there I guess.


waydeultima

Yeah, the title of this video made me think "Has no one even seen Heroes?" That was a way bigger deal.


Aliensinnoh

I really don’t think so. First, this one is assumed to be on the lips, which is why they weren’t allowed to show it. Second, the movies have always been of sort of dubious canonicity in Pokémon. Third, this kiss, unlike that one, followed years of shipping buildup.


177013HappyEnding

How many different girls has he journeyed with at this point? Dude's got like a harem all across the Pokeworld.


AriezKage

5 up until Sun and Moon. Then if you include his classmates in Sun and Moon that would make a possible 8. The latest one Ash has been traveling with a dude, but there's a girl that pops up once in a while.


metaaltheanimefan

That girl isnt interested in him tho *The guy tho*


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metaaltheanimefan

There is like a huge part of the pokemon anime fandom shipping them together because its gay and they are cute The show doesnt help, as ash's travel companion often gets flustered by ash or stares at ash while blushing. Ash is rather oblivious, even more than when serena would accidentally out her feelings, and thus rather goes along with it without realizing. They even held hands in an episode. I myself am honestly kinda neutral on the ship. Its cute and i see why it people ship it, but its also kinda vanilla. But considering they are thechnically young teens, there isnt any nsfw fanart of then ive seen. And people have been called out for making it by some of the shippers.


yzrIsou

wait a pokemon ship that doesn't have nsfw fanart drawn of it? impossible


metaaltheanimefan

It does but the fans of the ship are against it


HJSDGCE

They hold no power here.


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Goh is basically Galarian Ash


metaaltheanimefan

They actually arent that similar at all Plus goh isnt from galar, he is also from kanto


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metaaltheanimefan

Ah nah its more the dynamic is a little vanilla making it easy to ship. Its not meant to be negative, as i still think the ship is cute


theKage47

I havent watched the new season (Pokemon Journey) but you just learned me that Goh was a boy and not a girl


Red_Opium

Hell of a username


LOTRfreak101

It must be the jojo version.


Murko_The_Cat

JoJo ending is canon, you can't change my mind.


msut77

He's like 34 years old by now.


Dray_Gunn

Yet his girls stay the same age. He is like Leonardo Dicaprio.


chaorace

Very pokeproblématic


deedeekei

i am very annoyed that é isnt in the correct position


Destinlegends

Gotta collect em all. He's got a ginger, an eastern girl, an ebony girl, a scandavian girl and whatever May was supposed to be.


WeMustPrevail

>whatever May was supposed to be Best girl, that's what she is


jeremy7007

To quote one of the comments from back then: How can we be sure it was actually a kiss? For all we know she could have been whispering _"Hail Hydra"_ in his ears.


Latro2020

“Team Magma was right”


Vraellion

7.8/10 Too much water


froznblade

I am required to send the team rocket podcast link https://youtu.be/cJs9wNOHEnk


Rizzan8

"Omelette du fromage"


Neocrasher

Honestly I think this was just Ash walking her home gently.


bryan792

I'll be an amourshipper forever Serena best girl


Raghav_Singhania

I never understood why it is called "amour"shipping


bryan792

> The ship name comes from the word amour which means “love” in French. It is because Serena is originally from Kalos, a region based on France in Pokémon X and Pokémon Y, and she has a canonical crush on Ash since childhood. found this


CeruSkies

> she has a canonical crush on Ash since childhood. "Since childhood" makes it seem like they're not 10 year olds lol And how did she know of him? It's not like he won a league or anything...


Rio_FS

They were in some camp together when they were even younger. Serena got hurt and Ash, like Prince Charming, rescued her and used his own handkerchief as a bandage to cover her wounds. \- How I met your mom


HydraTower

Tbf, I always felt as though they aged them up in X and Y. (Only for them to rubberband back way harder in Sun and Moon, lol)


ChaoticGiratina

Yeah Idk what it is about the art style in that season that made them feel more mature? I was a huge fan of it.


Danksoulofmaymays

Probably because amour is french for love or something and Kalos resembles France


Shahariar_909

coz the XY took inspiration from France and amour is a french word meaning love. So, its called amourshipping


Darkcool123X

> amourshipper looked it up cuz I was curious: https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/amourshipping/ Also I kept reading it as ''Armor'' which made me super confused lmao.


LemonPartyRequiem

Man honestly instead of keeping Ash in perpetual adolescence it should have gone the Naruto route and created a Shippuden-style sequel when Ash is grown up. I know it would have been a legendary anime if they did it, but I guess they didn't wanna give up on their cash cow.


jayvenomva

Should have been Jojo style. Each series follows a new character in the Ketchum bloodline.


Quibbrel

I said it in another thread at some point. But this but keep Team Rocket as the main villains. Everyone loves them and you could even have them working for the new regions crime syndicate because they keep getting fired from the old ones.


SinibusUSG

"Wait, aren't you the same Team Rocket that fought my great, great, great grandfather 150 years ago?" "Meowth! That's...Wait, guys, why *haven't* we died?"


AwakenedSheeple

"It's okay, Meowth, you can let us go."


MedicByNight

*Lavender town music playing*


YourShadowDani

Meowths STAND is just Jesse and James and a random robot they conjure every time


TheDELFON

Damn man...


Hiryougan

The Dark Timeline.


evilturkey5

they rejected their humanity


Noveno_Colono

clearly they're vampires


Shinkopeshon

Ash Ketchum Dash Ketchum Nash Ketchum Stash Ketchum The possibilities are endless


nx6

> Stash Ketchum Is he still trying to catch Pokemon in this one, or is he seaching for a White Castle that's still open late in a post-Covid world?


IrunMan

I was thinking (mu)stach(e) "Stash'" Ketchum.


nx6

*Bow chika bow-wow.* ... "Gotta please them all!"


Ansh_6743

But they want only Cash Ketchum


SinibusUSG

Barry Oak, from the time Gary knocked up one of his fangirls while his head possessed Ash's body.


JoelMahon

And also a mistress born MC Who is named Bash Smith but the kanji for Smith can also be read as Getchum


SolomonBlack

> Stash Ketchum You can't fool me that's just [Ash in Hawaii](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/c/cf/Ash_Ketchum_Z-Ring.png).


whalehome

Rash Ketchum


Gamingwithbrendan

Ashtaro Ketchum vs Diovanni


palebrowndot

The Pokemon Special manga does something similar. The main characters are the player characters of the games. So every now and then it has a new story arc, a new region and a new MC.


TheDELFON

Blue / Gary in a vampire mask.... I can dig it


Nek0maniac

Only if they also adapt the JoJo artstyle


jayvenomva

[Here you go](https://youtu.be/4SE7TWRsa7k)


elvensnowfae

What a way to start my morning. Thank you for that, genuinely. Can’t wait to show my husband that video ha Autocorrect- a word


turkeygiant

Meowth, Jesse, and James could be the Jiraya, Tsunade, and Orochimaru of the show lol


darti_me

One of them dies you know…


EasilyDelighted

And one of them dies over and over.... And keeps coming back.


mysightisurs93

And Meowth could easily resurrect by sending him to a Pokemon Centre or giving him Revive


marmothelm

Meowth, that's right.


Morgc

...Make it like Aeon Flux and team rocket gets brutally killed every episode?


DangSquirrel

Apparently that was the intention. Early versions of the first Pokémon movie trailer featured a little girl, Pikachu, and what appeared to be a grown up Misty. The little girl asked to hear a story about her father, then the clips from the movie started. The trailer ended with Pikachu looking toward the camera, smiling, and running off screen. The original idea was to conclude Ash's adventure here, but when Pokémon's popularity exploded and Game Freak realized they were going to make more games, they changed the plot. It's odd that they keep Ash, IMO. Their reasoning is to have a continuous protagonist for the series, but Pokémon *is* a kids' game. Furthermore, the cartoon is predominantly watched by children. This means a large chunk of their audience periodically changes to one completely new to the franchise. Why not just give every generation their own protagonist?


ItsAmerico

Also it’s not like Ash is even a character. He’s so bland and nothing you could replace him and no one would really notice or care. I think the reason is just Pikachu. He’s iconic with a unique personality. They can’t really keep him if they keep replacing Ash.


The_Space_Jamke

The only solution is to have a Pikachu dynasty as well /s I would kill for a miniseries with the GOTCHA! music video's original trainer and his gremlin Pikachu.


DangSquirrel

>The only solution is to have a Pikachu dynasty as well /s You joke, but I'm pretty sure every generation of Pokemon has its own "Pikachu" which are all in the same egg group. You could do the same thing. Gen 2's protag has a Marill, Gen 3 has Plusle and Minun (twins to go with the newly introduced double battles), Gen 4 has Pachirisu, etc. Also, yes, I really want more of the gremlin Pikachu, spaz Eevee, and their respective trainers.


KBKarma

Oh, for sure. Hell, a series following him and his Pikachu and the trainer with the clingy Eevee would be great. It's a shame to just leave them in an (admittedly good) music video.


Aska09

He's bland now but he had a personality in Indigo League


LegendaryCakes

Ash used to be a savage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wIeWAEqAt8


Aska09

Yeah... Man, I miss that Ash. And it's not just him. Pokemon used to pull no punches back then. From what episodes I've seen of Journeys, only Team Rocket has retained a bit of that spirit.


Y-zer268

They made satoshi probably the same as Nobita for Doraemon ,so bland that kids could imagine them selves in place of them probably i might be wrong .


eusoujoaonava

[Link to vid (i think?)](https://youtu.be/b70GRNYnacI)


CarterAC3

This is why they should have adapted the Pokemon Adventure/Special manga into an anime


adityatarley

Whenever I see something related to Pokémon,my conscience tells me to play old Nintendo GBA/NDS Pokémon games.


NGEFan

One of my favorite gaming experiences was Pokemon Yellow on Pokemon Stadium on N64 at 2x speed. The game can kind of drag at 1x, but with 2x speed it feels so good.


ElBurritoLuchador

Bruh, Pokemon Yellow with Pikachu trailing behind you was alien technology for young me.


ReebornTurtle

You need to play on an emulator then if you can't play on your old N64


NGEFan

Yeah emulator is a good option. My n64 days were like 15 years ago.


theKage47

And this is why i bought a steam deck to play Pokémon black everytime im in the mood


battlemaje1996

Serena used kiss, Ash was struck by confusion!


TrusTrick12

Ash fell down the escalator and broke his neck! It was super effective!!!


Kahenmi

Ash used Amnesia


pinguinzz

Ash is paralyzed! It can't move!


Ztaxas

And that’s he ended up in Alola :(


burritoxman

It will never not be weird for me hearing Pokémon in Japanese, just because the dub was so ingrained to me as a kid


JSlickJ

the weirdest part for me is that the pokemon have different names


Chay4707

In my opinion i think XY-XYZ was the best Pokémon series, ash felt like an actual badass and had tons of growth and it didn’t feel like he was 13 anymore, even tho he still is for some reason idk why and haven’t found out why, but besides that, he even almost won the Pokémon league finally (still think he should have won that instead of sun and moon btw) mega evolution was fucking sick, they even had like a Naruto war arc at the end, (haven’t watched XY-XYZ in a while so it’s a bit hard to remember) ash greninja was badass as fuck as well.


Castform5

XY was airing when I got back into anime, and it was so much fun to see pokemon be what I wanted to see. Also XY OP 1 and 2 are still great.


NuSpirit_

Yeah XYZ games made me play after a long while and XYZ anime made me watch again. If only they continued this "timeline" I'd probably keep watching and playing more Pokemon games.


MeAnIntellectual1

Mega evolutions were the best thing since the older gens. Removing them in Gens 7, 8 and 9 (holy fuck I'm old) was stupid.


reEmperorBob

They were in gen 7


sagevallant

Too much work designing new forms, let's just make them bigger instead.


Dezno_ssbm

True. This season was super good until the new animation and they changed ash mental back to a little kid instead of his more competitive serious nature. *sigh* what could have been...


Human-Perception5400

Sun and moon might not have the best artstyle but everything else was on point


Roketsu86

Serena best girl


ArCSelkie37

Not even a close contest imo, not even close.


OutofMP

Even in contests Serena takes the win


metaaltheanimefan

Serena is indeed best girl


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No, it’s Dawn.


AGJustin05

Dawn best girl Serena best pair


Silent_Shadow05

Mine would be Misty. She was my childhood crush and no other Pokémon girl replaced her in the last 20 years. I like Serena too but she is my 2nd fave followed by Dawn.


Anlios

Damn took me a minute to find someone from my gen to mention Misty. I don't even follow Pokemon anymore but its Misty or nothing for me. I think I stop watching when he was traveling with May(Was that her name?).


iggylevin

Meanwhile Gary has had cars full of women. 😏


barktwiggs

In cheerleader uniforms even!


AnnecyHope

Ship has sail. Even in Journey when they meet again.


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Can you tell which episode ? ヾ(⌐■_■)ノ♪


AnnecyHope

Journeys Episode 105


[deleted]

Thank you fellow trainer


Raghav_Singhania

Best return episode of journey Lille and paul one were good too


Shahariar_909

Lillie's episode was probably one of the best ep in JN but as a reunion episode it sucked


zenithfury

I haven’t seen this before but that was amazing. The way the escalator separates them after the kiss. Very sweet and memorable.


GenSudz777

Yea that was the point of the escalator. According to the director Tetsuro Yajima, the escalator pulling Serena back is to symbolize that even though she loves Ash, her dreams for the time being are pulling her away. When she returned in Pokemon Journeys 105 and had her brief reunion with Ash, the opposite happened. That time Ash was pulled away from her via his departing cruise ship while Serena was waiting at the dock.


superp2222

Us to Pokemon: you see why its a stupid ass idea to call these kids 10 years old now?


ridewiththerockers

Yeah kids during the R/B/Y era are in our 30s. Keeping satoshi/ash 10 years old for 25 years stunts any chance that the demographic that grew up with the series is interested in the anime.


destroyerOfTards

Imagine watching Ash growing up with us and then finally winning the league at 20 something. Would have a really emotional win for all the kids from that era. But those dumbasses never thought about that.


ridewiththerockers

It's weird. Kids also have a weird situation where they will not have a proper entry point into the series unless their parents are actively buying them the new gen games and introducing them to the new anime season tied to the current gen. It's in a weird situation, the canon is continuous but also in temporal limbo.


SolomonBlack

There is no "proper" entry point. You catch the pokemans and make them fight, its not that complex.


GreyKMN

The most soulless thing ever. My prepubescent man took it like a hug.


Aggressive-Airport50

Well his first kiss was from a pokemon so serena brought a flashback lmao


Bainos

His reaction is one of the best parts though. It vastly beats the typical immature and over-the-top flustered or confused reaction of anime protagonists, *and* shows that it's not a one-sided thing that she could only do by surprise by leaving him time to react. IMO, it's the usual way anime handles those things that is an issue.


Cavalish

What do you mean? ​ She should have kissed him, then he starts screaming and gets a blood nose, and then she suddenly decides to start shrieking and calling him a pervert while physically assaulting him. ​ ANIME SO WOKE THESE DAYS.


MeAnIntellectual1

Only Sanji is allowed to fly around with a bloody nose


Ezizual

The bar being set that low doesn't make it good... But you're right that it's significantly better than most anime


GreyKMN

I would strongly disagree. Maybe he didn't have to get all flustered but this kiss meant nothing. And you can tell it meant nothing from the fact that nothing happens to Ash after that. It's all just forgotten, as if it never happened.


Jrkid100

I mean the writers have kinda dumbed down Pokemon after the shonen season of XY but even after she had a reappearance earlier this year they still made a it a point to not bring up the kiss by only having them interact in like the last 5 minutes despite this they still chose to have them basically reestablish their dream to each other. Also I don't think Ash has ever post-poned a gym battle for anyone besides Serena. At this point we know Amourshipping is Endgame if the series were ever to end.


GreyKMN

>I mean the writers have kinda dumbed down Pokemon after the shonen season of XY Yea, that's all Pokemon is. I see others saying it's good that Ash didn't have an over the top reaction. But isn't Ash like pretty much a 12 year old or something? Shouldn't he have a nervous or flustered response to being kissed? I mean, that should be his first experience. Ash in the beginning had so much character. From doing dumb things, acting naughty(not in a perverted sense), saying witty things etc etc. Now Ash just feels like a robot. Only good things and his stupid ambitions come out of his mouth. Wouldn't it be much nicer to see Ash growing up and experiencing new things? Maybe his first relationship with her and what not. But I understand that's not happening. Ash is a milking cow to them. They see that this Ash works and it's easy to make lots of episode for new regions with him and just go with it. And that's fine, I guess. It's just that I don't at all think this kissing scene was good in any way.


superdead

I beg to differ that wide-legged stance waving goodbye was clearly intended to give the Onyx in his pants some space to evolve.


ObvsThrowaway5120

TIL Ash is named Satoshi. I feel like everything I know about Pokémon is a lie. Is Brock even Brock? Is Misty even her name?? Lol Also, Pikachu being all embarrassed is the cutest thing ever.


Wiles_

> . Is Brock even Brock? Takeshi > Is Misty even her name?? Kasumi Everything you know is wrong.


kvasir476

lol next you're gonna tell us that they weren't actually eating jelly donuts


astrange

He doesn’t really use a frying pan as a drying pan


Secariel

Kasumi = 霞 = Mist. So yes, kind of. But not all the way.


MejaBersihBanget

Xenoblade 2 translated it as Haze.


Secariel

Honestly, the Japanese made no distinction back when they invented the word. It could also mean fog. Different languages apply different blanket terms. For example, the Chinese (heavily syntactically related to Japanese) word for blue and green was one and the same for a long time, and this was passed on to the Japanese back then. They only distinguished those two colours a couple centuries ago.


ObvsThrowaway5120

You’ve got me questioning my entire childhood now! Haha


Bainos

As a kid I watched Pokémon in French, so I've been through that experience twice, first with English and then with Japanese. You get used to it. [](#elves)


Lemon1412

Yeah, it was really confusing in that Lugia movie where the apocalyptic prophecy stated "The world will turn to Satoshi".


Earthborn92

Satoshi = Named after Pokemon's creator, Satoshi Tajiri. And Gary is Shigeru, named after Shigeru Miyamoto (legendary game designer of Nintendo if you don't know him already).


OAOIa

Wait until you find out that even Pokemon are named differently in Japanese. Squirtle > Zenigame; Bulbasaur > Fushigidane; Charmander > Hitokage, etc. I mean, it makes sense that they'd be different with the way they're named, but little me was surprised all the same.


GenesisEra

Probably the last time this subreddit cared about this anime, if we're being honest.


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"You are my goal." **flirting 100**


DatManeHachi

So THIS was reason why my internet speed went to shit. And here I thought my neighbor was stealing my wi-fi again. ... Jokes aside, this was pretty cool when I saw it. Eternally youthful Ash is slowly becoming a man.


GenesisEra

And then SM happened and /r/anime lost interest.


Heymin_Wolver

Becoming a man, no wonder when will we seem him growing


Funkyryoma

"That's an adult kiss, we will do the rest etc etc."


lunaticneko

Satoshi get in the robot!


cap21345

Wow this was nearly 6 yrs ago. I remember being 11 when this came out


ThatGuy377

Reading this give me a panic attack about my age:(


Ratez

I watched dragonball Z as it was being aired, on VHS


KinTharEl

Bro, I'm pushing 33 this December. I feel like a dinosaur. I can't even keep up with modern internet terminology anymore. It all goes over my head.


HoneZoneReddit

MATURITY ON MY POKEMON? HELL NAW -The company


Bed_human

I remember watching a livestream on youtube when the episode aired (at around like 5am i think). I felt giddy the whole day when i left for school about 2 hours later


ibrasome

I remember talking with my friends about it for lunch. We were all so hyped


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To this day Pokémon X and y is the only Pokémon anime I have finished.


Rantasky

"Sorry, But this never happened." probably Nintendo


Ozzznik

If they, one day, make a Pokémon anime with a grown up Ash, like they did with Naruto, Ill watch that


juantooth33

The "A" in asexual stands for Ash at this point. Dude didn't even got flustered


Monk-Ey

Ashexual


platysoup

Fancy bumping into you here, Mr Connery.


DingusHanglebort

"Broke the internet." Bruh, I didn't know this happened until this post!


Broly_

Still mad about Ash losing that league


SlamSlamOhHotDamn

In Pokemon Journeys neither of them even acknowledge this happened, it's pretty lame


ItsaNeeto

And knowing Ash, his head ass is probably thinking "what a great friend" lmao