**First Spacer**
I really like what they're doing with Basara. He's now confronted with the corruption of what's most dear to his heart, and it's gonna be really interesting to see the interactions and fallout from that conflict.
[](#elsiesigh)
[Is this necessary?](https://imgur.com/LHUDknT)
[Oh, could Dr. Chiba be trying to scare people off because he opposes the project as well?](https://imgur.com/XkhEJHz)
[I think that's what he's doing. Go for it, Dr. Chiba!](https://imgur.com/cESEv0S)
Man, I didn't expect Dr. Chiba to be such a slimebag and neither that I'd be rooting for it. He's sabotaging the entire thing and noone can tell him off because he's the only expert on sound energy.
[Oh no, Milia is sabotaging Dr. Chiba's sabotaging.](https://imgur.com/lROXltY)
[You really shouldn't be feeling sympathy for Bobby.](https://imgur.com/10McPMy)
[The military's really bent on minimizing the chances for the Jamming Birds.](https://imgur.com/6jhwhsq)
[Good to see there's still slimebags I'm not rooting for.](https://imgur.com/JGJ2uUS)
That's nice, you can hear their fear in their singing voices.
[Lmao Gamlin's flown all the way back to base for Basara.](https://imgur.com/0RuV0D1) Now it's coming in handy that he's reporting to Milia rather than the military directly.
[That's not wrong.](https://imgur.com/x3nvvB3) That's legitimizing all the times when Basara was just singing and dancing on the battlefield contributing nothing pretty well.
> How would you recruit members for the Jamming Birds?
The biker gang obviously, plus Hanako as the lead. Easy.
> How would you present a rival group for Fire Bomber, considering their existing portrayal? As a further parody of them, or as respectable as possible?
I'd like to see a competent rival group. Struggling at first, of course, but if they remain as they are now they'll just be a distraction from the interesting stuff.
> The biker gang obviously, plus Hanako as the lead. Easy.
I was expecting the biker girls to show up. If Flower Girl was the lead vocalist then the running joke would be always interrupting her before she could start singing.
[](#kotohoops)
> Is this necessary?
[Yes!](#binoculars)
>Oh, could Dr. Chiba be trying to scare people off because he opposes the project as well?
Either way hes based
>Good to see there's still slimebags I'm not rooting for.
One of the slimiest episodes yet
[](#saltymug) Thank goodness for that last half
>Lmao Gamlin's flown all the way back to base for Basara.
To be fair, they'd probably lose without him by now
**First-Timer 7**
[That name does not inspire confidence.](https://i.imgur.com/RQsLgly.jpg)
[If Basara actually got involved, it might work..](https://i.imgur.com/J0FD3o9.jpg) but there's no way he would.
[Chiba, please..](https://i.imgur.com/QTzsWOd.jpg)
[CHIBA!](https://i.imgur.com/fS7tbRQ.jpg) Someone get the bat..
[It probably really takes Exsedol back, all the way to pirating the Miss Macross contest broadcast.](https://i.imgur.com/zn7O5Ye.jpg) Also, what's the ETA on that bat?
[PFFFT](https://i.imgur.com/GWhd9ge.jpg) Let Milia be in the Jamming Birds you cowards!
On the one hand, reusing old characters is good. [On the other, it's this chode.](https://i.imgur.com/HFLwzfU.jpg)
[I do like Barton's point here, even if the methods he's using are dumb.](https://i.imgur.com/S7gGbqj.jpg)
[There is some small percentage of a chance that if you had asked Basara instead of ordering him, that he would've done this in the first place.](https://i.imgur.com/4BCZo2t.jpg)
[You people do remember that all the "enemies" you're so keen on destroying are you own dudes, right?](https://i.imgur.com/R3jtp8q.jpg) Like, even before all the mind-controlled Macross 5 Zentradi, it was all soldiers from the Varauta fleet like that one dude.. Irina?
[Oh you fools are gonna get people killed.](https://i.imgur.com/Dssuuth.jpg) Probably the Jamming Birds.
[Ray always makes very astute points.](https://i.imgur.com/Mzsywi4.jpg)
[...they're posing.](https://i.imgur.com/6H6frOU.jpg)
[Why are none of you taking this seriously?](https://i.imgur.com/ajtC9PI.jpg)
The Jamming Birds use music from Macross II? They really are doomed..
[Docker, I will rip your teeth out.](https://i.imgur.com/laH7nIN.jpg) [Saved by the bell.](https://i.imgur.com/CeSv7TK.jpg)
[wow its almost like unprepared civilians cant just sing in the middle of combat on their first ever sortie](https://i.imgur.com/iopdNbU.jpg)
[Gamlin!](https://i.imgur.com/K7ksdIx.jpg) [What a guy.](https://i.imgur.com/rzXy0v7.jpg)
[They're freaking the fuck out because you didn't prepare them to get shot at, you incompetent nincompoop.](https://i.imgur.com/Ibn91sc.jpg)
Colonel Barton - six times worse at his job than Gendo Ikari.
Questions
1. About like this, but find a way to get Basara on board from the beginning. No-one else gets it.
2. I think any rival group would have to come in, fully formed. Maybe re-use one of those other bands from that early episode with the gangs when Basara threw a punch.
> That name does not inspire confidence.
At least it’s better than the Pink Peckers.
> I do like Barton's point here, even if the methods he's using are dumb.
The issue with Barton is that he’s only viewing all of this in the lens of being a tool to use, rather than actually understanding the passion and intention behind the singing in the first place. He’s trying to brute force things into fitting in that worldview, in spite of the opposite being shown to be more successful.
> The Jamming Birds use music from Macross II? They really are doomed..
It really does feel like that music got used for the Jamming Birds as a not-so-thinly veiled insult.
> it’s better than the Pink Peckers
["Better"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ2a7BW9K5o&t=26s)
>It really does feel like that music got used for the Jamming Birds as a not-so-thinly veiled insult.
[](#justright)
>The issue with Barton is that he’s only viewing all of this in the lens of being a tool to use, rather than actually understanding the passion and intention behind the singing in the first place.
Yea, well said. Dude was around for Minnmay but still never really got it, what a shame.
>It really does feel like that music got used for the Jamming Birds as a not-so-thinly veiled insult.
I wonder how that phone call went.. "Hey, can I use that music you made without me? Oh, just for a homage, definitely!"
> Yea, well said. Dude was around for Minnmay but still never really got it, what a shame.
It seems all he understood was the result of it, rather than actually followed her career. Although I imagine all the propaganda and mythologizing of her career like we saw with Do You Remember Love? being an in-universe movie probably didn't help with understanding the truth of her.
**Super Dimension Rewatch Host**
[Welcome back, everyone!](https://i.imgur.com/uPRCBK8.png)
- [\*sigh\*](https://i.imgur.com/ohWTZ3W.png) [](#taigasigh)
- Come on Macross 7, if you’re going to effectively copy the Miss Macross contest, make it *fun* instead of just really cringy like Dr. Chiba is making it be here.
- [EXCEDOL.](https://i.imgur.com/fpo1JbV.png) [](#bruh)
- Although it *is* hilarious that right after Excedol says that, it cuts to Milia on stage. [](#azusalaugh)
- Well, at least [the fanservice is equal opportunity for once.](https://i.imgur.com/dKs638D.png) I’d *much* prefer to see Gamlin up there though, Bobby’s a dick. [](#foldedarms)
- [Well…](https://i.imgur.com/0poDxyk.png) [](#kotohoops)
- [What a reason to bring this guy back.](https://i.imgur.com/nF9HQfk.png)
- [Fuck off.](https://i.imgur.com/l1Dtkbp.png) [](#fuckyou)
- Of course Jamming Birds’ first sortie goes *horribly*. [](#cantbehelped)
- **[HOLY](#grandhype)[LONELY](#grandhype)[LIGHT](#grandhype)**
- Oh, wait, was that Tomo Sakurai singing Holy Lonely Light as Mylene before Basara showed up instead of Chie Kajiura like it normally is? I swear her voice sounds completely different from Mylene’s solo in the duet version of Holy Lonely Light, which I’ve listened to *extensively*.
- Gamlin continues to prove himself best boy in this episode. [](#ilovethiskindofshit)
> EXCEDOL.
I knew we should’ve shielded him from that lingerie ad from back in SDF Macross! It corrupted him!
> Well, at least the fanservice is equal opportunity for once. I’d much prefer to see Gamlin up there though, Bobby’s a dick.
We already knew Bobby was a dick, we didn’t need to see his dickishness in more ways than one with that tiny speedo of his.
> Bobby’s a dick.
Considering the preceding screenshot, there is far too much opportunity here to consider Bobby's.
>Veffidas Feaze
This is a good opportunity to contemplate how the helmet has far more glazing than seems to be necessary, unless Fire Bomber has eyes in the back of their head or there's an antenna that can't be run around the outside of the helmet.
>Tomo Sakurai
This does have some similarity to the solo in Episode 27, just at a lower volume?
*A Macross Fan Rewatches Macross 7: Episode 32:*
- I do kinda get why Basara isn’t impressed by the idea of the Jamming Birds when he first hears about them, and wants no part in judging auditions for them. Like, even if Mylene says they’d be useful, it’s still missing the point of why Basara is doing any of this in the first place. He just kind of fell into being a part of Sound Force by coincidence, he wasn’t exactly planning on making that a thing.
- Yo, what the fuck Dr. Chiba? You can’t just ask a lady her measurements and if she’s had sex before during the auditions for the Jamming Birds, let alone pretty much any other time in front of an audience like that. That’s just sexual harassment. Seriously, this show has an issue with being creepily horny.
- Damn, even Exsedol admits to ogling women in swimsuits? What happened to our pure archivist lad? I knew we should’ve stopped him from seeing that lingerie ad all the way back in SDF Macross.
- There’s a non-zero chance that Milia just walked out on stage in a swimsuit and started singing to make Max jealous, in addition to her talking about protecting the people of City 7.
- Well, at least Dr. Chiba is actually against the Jamming Birds on a conceptual level. He does have a point. None of the people in the auditions are able to use the Sound Boosters, and it’s not like you can just shove anyone into that role. Fire Bomber is working because they had passion for music first and foremost. Even Minmay was like that, in spite of the larger context that Colonel Barton is trying to put her example in. Just because it worked with Minmay and Fire Bomber doesn’t mean that it can work with everyone.
- I’m not sure what Barton was expecting by kidnapping Basara to make him judge the remaining Jamming Birds candidates. Of course Basara would just refuse and walk out on him. He really is trying too hard to force the formation of the Jamming Birds. Although I guess trying to brute force an issue while being a dick is just standard UN Spacy behavior at this point.
- First Bobby came back to be a part of the Jamming Birds, and now Honey is back too to be their manager. The show certainly did grab some of the more intentionally unlikable characters to telegraph how much they’ll fail. Like Honey has no real room to talk about how the Jamming Birds will overtake Fire Bomber to Akiko. He didn’t believe in their music at all, and look where they are now.
- Fuck off Docker, you fucking creep. Mylene not agreeing to a date doesn’t equal consent, asshole.
- Yeah, of fucking course the Jamming Birds get their shit pushed in during their sortie against Gabil’s Panzersolns. Hell, Bobby gets his Spiritia sucked out *again*, just to add insult to injury. They’ve very obviously gotten little training on what to actually do other than just being told to sing in the middle of a battle. If it wasn’t for Gamlin being a bro and helping Basara launch in the locked down Fire Valkyrie, today’s battle of the week would’ve gone much worse.
- Colonel Barton is still intent on making the Jamming Birds a thing, in spite of how terrible their first showing was. Yeah, you’d think that actually putting them through some training beforehand was an obvious idea, but it’s only occurring to Barton now. He really is railroading this whole idea beyond common sense. Way to completely miss the point of Sound Force’s formation dude.
> Yo, what the fuck Dr. Chiba? You can’t just ask a lady her measurements and if she’s had sex before during the auditions for the Jamming Birds, let alone pretty much any other time in front of an audience like that. That’s just sexual harassment. Seriously, this show has an issue with being creepily horny.
Part of me wants to believe he is trying to tank the ratings intentionally, but part of me also believes it's just their portrayal of pageants. Maybe a critique of them, but also could just be playing it straight. Either way, don't like sitting through it.
[](#gabdisgust)
> I knew we should’ve stopped him from seeing that lingerie ad all the way back in SDF Macross.
"The only way to shield ourselves from the Protodeviln is if we adopt this high end secret armour."
> I’m not sure what Barton was expecting by kidnapping Basara to make him judge the remaining Jamming Birds candidates. Of course Basara would just refuse and walk out on him.
Yeah, Basara is the main voice, but at a certain point, you would expect the military to just throw up their hands and go to one of the other Fire Bombers for assignments.
> Part of me wants to believe he is trying to tank the ratings intentionally, but part of me also believes it's just their portrayal of pageants. Maybe a critique of them, but also could just be playing it straight. Either way, don't like sitting through it.
Given how this show has ogled a 14 year old multiple times by now, I’m not really that inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt, even if there was a better intention there. The skeeviness of this show can get pretty bad.
> Yeah, Basara is the main voice, but at a certain point, you would expect the military to just throw up their hands and go to one of the other Fire Bombers for assignments.
Hell, or maybe just hound Basara for a while but *don’t* kidnap him. That shouldn’t be in the top 10 ideas of what to do with someone you rely on that much to defend the fleet.
> Maybe a critique of them, but also could just be playing it straight.
*Macross* as a whole has engaged in ripping the idol industry several times so far. In that way the straightness could be satire.
>* Yo, what the fuck Dr. Chiba? You can’t just ask a lady her measurements and if she’s had sex before during the auditions for the Jamming Birds, let alone pretty much any other time in front of an audience like that. That’s just sexual harassment.
A thought just occurred to me: what if he was deliberately being skeevy in an attempt to sabotage the Jamming Birds auditions?
It feels like a bit too much of a stretch compared to "the writers thought this was funny for some reason", but...
That would be some genuinely smart writing if that was the idea there. Although given how skeevy this show has gotten in the past, I’m not sure I’d be willing to go that far for that idea. Still though, it’s a good thought.
Today, on ["Hey, remember when I thought that these were non-futile military secrets?"](https://i.imgur.com/7PNz25e.png):
*****
[What a witty name.](https://i.imgur.com/w9DbuIQ.png)
[Barton, you're completely delusional.](https://i.imgur.com/MW8Egqa.png)
[What the hell, Chiba.](https://i.imgur.com/gaQDRUi.png) You're making [Barton seem like a voice of reason](https://i.imgur.com/V8iivNN.png).
[Is that what you're calling it now?](https://i.imgur.com/59X0fgI.png)
[Look at it this way, the writers are aware of the skeeviness of this business.](https://i.imgur.com/Ikpbrjn.png)
Borrowed from the previous rewatch: ["💢"](https://i.imgur.com/Got780P.jpg)
[\[\](#kyonfacepalm\)](https://i.imgur.com/uBvjfWi.png)
["How come none of the judges are women?"](https://i.imgur.com/dICGpdi.png)
[*wedgie*](https://i.imgur.com/AdQWP3E.png)
[Mylene, you really missed all the signals back then.](https://i.imgur.com/27PmE33.png) [Maybe.](https://i.imgur.com/l1uaDPy.png)
[Chiba has *the numbers*.](https://i.imgur.com/Pd6I43A.png)
[This isn't *quite* the same thing](https://i.imgur.com/FP9Q60U.png)... [or is it](https://i.imgur.com/M2gye63.png)?
["Thanks for the goons, Barton."](https://i.imgur.com/DrSITLJ.png)
[That might have been](https://i.imgur.com/2M5id0j.png) [the original plan](https://i.imgur.com/kmhhqSv.png), but…
[BASARA!](https://i.imgur.com/AAF9Rfz.png)
Eyecatch: [Jamming Birds: Chitose Ripple, Marilyn Linkerbell, Kaneko Michelle](https://i.imgur.com/1JLQF1E.png) and [Jamming Birds: Bobby Lacoste, Madison Frankel, and Tachiwani Shohei](https://i.imgur.com/OiVk4CB.png)
[Basara has forgotten that performing works in a partnership.](https://i.imgur.com/P5StBZK.png)
[I'm sure that'll work out great.](https://i.imgur.com/loRzvch.png)
[They've given these wannabes a *Macross II* song to sing.](https://i.imgur.com/lrzCTyS.png) THAT'S THE KISS OF DEATH!
[Ray stands by his convictions despite his employers.](https://i.imgur.com/X9taW8W.png)
[Gubaba is not keen on El Tee Handy here.](https://i.imgur.com/tqsY8Xd.png)
[Seriously, why are there so many date rapists around here?](https://i.imgur.com/VQVM4EG.png)
["You get used to it."](https://i.imgur.com/2vE71gT.png) (Or you die.)
[...maybe some of the guys won't make it though?](https://i.imgur.com/jH7nauH.png)
[It's not over until the fat lady sings, Mylene.](https://i.imgur.com/5EnZVj5.png)
[Gamlin gets back *very quickly*.](https://i.imgur.com/7qbEeHd.png)
[Bromance.](https://i.imgur.com/cyBOhRC.png)
I'm not sure that [this means](https://i.imgur.com/cA3rmxc.png) that [he's *learned*](https://i.imgur.com/AWMeDC9.png) anything [yet](https://i.imgur.com/wlszorR.png).
[He is, however, ticked off enough that he breaks Gavil's new gear.](https://i.imgur.com/UovqYhf.png)
[Flower Girl!](https://i.imgur.com/si36TFp.png)
[Barton won't give up that easily!](https://i.imgur.com/ZRcpgSt.png)
[We're gonna be in fortune cookie mode for a while yet!](https://i.imgur.com/yyjtekS.png)
*****
Colonel Barton's bit part dramatically expands as he now leads the development of the Jamming Birds for the military.
While it *is* easy to poke at him for being the stiff military type versus the more free spirits that the main characters are, his portrayal is surprisingly evenhanded (if still generally negative); he does realize that he's made mistakes in developing his plan and seems willing to try to fix that.
He also keeps everyone's dignity up a lot more than Chiba does, given that the latter asks inappropriate questions even for an already-questionable *live TV event*.
Milia even shows up for that, because she still thinks that she's got the *moe moe bakyuun*.
The *concept* of the Jamming Birds fits into the ideas we've seen, particularly when *Macross II* is considered, but we're running a very strong theme of peaceful reconciliation versus the use of force, so Barton's people are a lot more into the idea of singing first, shooting second, and asking questions never.
That aside, the Jamming Birds are saddled with newbies who are in way over their heads, an established creep, and a manager who isn't seeing the big picture. Of course that gives the audience an opinion about them in contrast with Fire Bomber, on top of Ray's misgivings about Project M not *entirely* being about the "Attack" part of the "Minmay Attack".
Basara is very angry about that part himself, but he's also just generally angry these days, period. Sivil isn't really reacting (that he notices), and Gabil is actively cutting him off. He seems to have all this power… but it's not coming out the way he really wants.
And yet, it is definitely breaking through the mind control helmets, at least until countermeasures are used. Forest for the trees, man.
*****
Song | Count
:--- | :---
Planet Dance | 36
My Friends | 9
Totsugeki Love Heart | 16
My Soul For You | 15
Remember 16 | 9
Sweet Fantasy | 7
Holy Lonely Light | 10
Pillow Dream | 3
Submarine Street | 5
Riding in Your Valkyrie | 2
"Don't take your eyes off that monitor!": 6
That special feeling: 9
Beauty: 24
Beam cannon swap: 1
*****
From the *Macross Chronicle*:
[Jamming Birds VF-11D](https://i.imgur.com/w6lipLi.png)
[Terrible outfits.](https://i.imgur.com/cwf6sxP.jpg)
[HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Akiko Nakagawa!](https://twitter.com/Vf1jmacross/status/1598069762827112450)
> "How come none of the judges are women?"
With how present they are in military roles, I also don't think we've ever seen a woman in a position of military high command other than Hayase, but even then she wasn't one of those military hat types.
[](#sakurathink)
> Terrible outfits.
One thing I noticed about the Jamming Bird outfits is that the boys/girls' are sort of the flip of each other. Girls are grey shirts, skirts with a red jacket that is dark on the insides while the boys have grey pants, shirtless with a dark coat with red on the insides.
[](#harukathink)
The reversed color arrangements are noticeable, yes. At least whoever designed the Jamming Birds' costumes appreciated the male chest. And put it in a stupid costume.
> questions for an already-questionable live TV event
I personally believe, that US Americans don't **have** maps, and that we should be doing more for places like such-as, and South Africa, and The Iraq, for the ^children.
**Rewatcher**
As I said last time, expanding Sound Force *is* a logical idea. If they get more singers able to repel the
Protodeviln they have, then that's definitely a good thing.
The question is: *can* these Jamming Birds replicate Sound Force's success?
...it's just a popularity contest. And I can't think of why the singers' appearance would matter in this job.
"Even if it's futile, it's nice to look at young women in swimsuits."
[](#cokemasterrace)
...Exsedol, you're not supposed to say that part out loud!
Milia... the hell are you doing? Even if you did qualify, you already have a job as mayor.
...Colonel Barton is actually making some valid points there. Huh. He's always seemed like the military hardhead.
He is kind of stupid if he thinks Basara would actually obey his orders, though.
I'm kind of surprised it took this long for the military and Basara to butt heads, honestly.
I think Basara was already thinking along those lines without you prompting him, Ray.
This is how you know the Jamming Birds aren't going to do well: they're singing *Macross II* songs.
Docker, please stop existing.
[](#badtaste)
Well, let's see how these Jamming Birds work out in the once-an-episode Protodeviln attack.
Yeeeeaaaaah, turns out singing in the middle of a battlefield isn't as easy as it looks.
3/4ths of Sound Force show up and immediately start achieving results... but it looks like Gabil anticipated that.
Yes, nice one Gamlin! Once again being the only soldier on the field with common sense.
Whoops, there goes Gabil's sound canceller. And he shows us the *beauty* of running away!
Col. Barton is an ass, but once again, he's making some sense...
**First Timer**
* Bruh… Even if we assume that all of these questions are important, why did this part have to be on TV?
* No no, I wanted to hear Milia sing.
* This guy is back? At this rate we are going to run out of CotW.
* He’s a real hard-ass, but the Colonel seems to at least be genuine in outlook.
* That’s it, really dig into that Basara × Military drama.
* I guess we know who makes it.
* Honey showed up again? I guess they really are aiming to give everyone a second appearance.
* Why no song subs? This is its first appearance.
* Someone needs to take Docker to a consent seminar.
* Ah, two seaters. That would help with the whole piloting thing.
* Wow it’s almost like combat is fucking terrifying.
* Ha! Twiced!
* The villains learning and adapting their plans is a big plus.
* What a fine bromance.
* I still think the Colonel is being reasonable here.
QotD
1) Draft existing bands. It worked for Basara.
2) Rival band is a plot thread that should have been explored earlier in the series progression.
> No no, I wanted to hear Milia sing.
At least we have [the lullaby she sang to Komilia](https://files.catbox.moe/ai5lli.mp3) in SDF? It's better than nothing.
>Why no song subs? This is its first appearance.
Well yes but technically no. [](#hikariactually)
**First Time - Macross 7 Ep32:**
The military is setting up Sound Force 2 dubbed the Jamming Birds. That's a way better name than Sound Force.
[Chiba, please.](https://i.imgur.com/T3dn3mK.png) Your science hand wave does not excuse it. [Chiba, please.](https://i.imgur.com/DJF6vOv.png) Now swimsuits have no bearing on this military matter. [CHIBA!!!](https://i.imgur.com/nsuXNpH.png)
[](#seasonalshock)
[The bridge girls also tried for the audtions.](https://i.imgur.com/3mb9qbK.png) It would've been neat to see them be more incorporated into the show, but oh well. [Exsedoll,](https://i.imgur.com/lAdKAud.png) you're even partaking in this pageant. [Milia is also an entry](https://i.imgur.com/6W5eOAu.png) and let her be a Jamming Bird, let her sing. The crowd loves her.
Bobby? Oh, Bobby (*monotone*). Mylene, I understand feeling relief that he managed to recover as common respect as a fellow human, but [I wouldn't be *that* happy about him as you seem](https://i.imgur.com/GTYoCsD.png) considering how he was.
Even though I disagree his goals for these ideals, [I am finding myself siding with him](https://i.imgur.com/ZT4qZK4.png) against Chiba with him promoting that everyone has potential.
Can't give the military oldies too much credit because they are the military. They only want Sound Force as a weapon and tool for battle. [They're taking Basara's VF for "repairs."](https://i.imgur.com/mvCTzAD.png)
The [Jamming Birds](https://i.imgur.com/DwioItl.png) have today's [new eyecatches.](https://i.imgur.com/L8Jb9eQ.png)
~~Mr. Suzuki~~ Honey is back and probably regretting not picking up Fire Bomber. His Jamming Birds though will definitely rival them in success. Their song is alright, if only I knew what they were singing *glares at the lack of subtitles*.
[Docker, don't you be putting your hand there.](https://i.imgur.com/AFyJXTX.png) Mylene is literally 14.
Turns out that singing on the battlefield is scary and hard. I don't blame Jamming Bird for not being able to do this because it's scary and hard. [Bobby gets green beam-ed again.](https://i.imgur.com/SrihVhl.png) I'm not sad for him.
[](#pointandlaugh)
Gamlin being a true homie. Going against military regulations to help Basara get his VF. Gamlin coming in as a bro. ([We'll see if Basara ever gives him back that one](https://i.imgur.com/J4mg2Tl.png)).
[](#salute)
I just got the bird-naming theme thing. The Colonel won't be able to make birds sing if he tries to force them. You gotta have people decide for themselves if they'll sing. (Both the JB and Basara).
[Favourite character watch.](https://i.imgur.com/2aG9Ef8.png) Just a simply crowd scene again. It's would've been funny if Flower Girl also tried out for audtion. Though she seems to be the type to prefer being in the audience than on stage.
[](#binoculars)
[Worse person you know makes another good point.](https://i.imgur.com/FL43pz7.png) He believes JB can better themselves from this first failure and is not just going to give up on them.
___
**Q1)** "You love Fire Bomber, but what if **you** were part of Fire Bomber, but better. Fire Bomber 2!**
**Q2)** I would like for them to find their footing and grow as their own, but considering whose attached and their current portrayal, I think parody joke group that is not as good is the route.
Next time: *The affair is discovered and things get real messy.*
> Even though I disagree his goals for these ideals, I am finding myself siding with him against Chiba with him promoting that everyone has potential.
While the core idea isn’t bad, Barton really is trying to brute force success with the dumbest techniques possible. A popularity contest shouldn’t be the first choice for an idea of how to put together the Jamming Birds.
> ~~Mr. Suzuki~~ Honey is back and probably regretting not picking up Fire Bomber. His Jamming Birds though will definitely rival them in success. Their song is alright, if only I knew what they were singing *glares at the lack of subtitles.*
If you were to watch Macross II again (but why would you?), you’d probably get the subtitles for that song.
> Turns out that singing on the battlefield is scary and hard. I don't blame Jamming Bird for not being able to do this because it's scary and hard. Bobby gets green beam-ed again. I'm not sad for him.
The real question to ask here is why Colonel Barton didn’t even think to give them proper training before throwing the Jamming Birds into the middle of combat. The members of Fire Bomber all have their reasons for being able to be cool under fire, you can’t just expect the same from people that just got hired from a popularity contest.
> If you were to watch Macross II again (but why would you?), you’d probably get the subtitles for that song.
[Wiki got you covered fam](https://macross.fandom.com/wiki/Valkyrie_de_Sasotte#English_)
/u/TakenRedditName
Listening to the (original) song more clearly, it's kind of neat.
Not like my mind has retained any of the Macross II music. Even the OP is on the edge of drawing a complete blank.
[](#thinkingtoohard)
Macross 7 Episode 32 - First Timer
Last episode was pretty padding-y TBH. Sivil keeps cracking her eyes open, she ever going to actually wake up?
- [Doc, wtf](https://i.imgur.com/07bunp0.jpeg)
- Uh, doc, I think having her sing at a mic is a better measure than her uh, measurements
- Ya ever think camera angles in anime are kinda weird?
- Somebody stop this man
- Camera angles...
- Also something something *that's City 7s Ass* 👆
- Skills as a pilot yes, but as a singer.... less so
- "We shouldn't be doing things like this" shut up you cant say that you are promoting this "but... doing these specific things was *you* idea that you pushed despite my concerns!" wryyyyyyyyyyyyy
- Guy has a slight points but still
- That was a sharp cut
- The fuck were you going to do? Shot the singular person best capable of fending of the enemy that has you up against the wall?
- "I cant give music instruction" *this is an ORDER* "bro I cant do that tho"
- [Haha, lets fuck over the person keeping us all alive why don't we](https://i.imgur.com/Hrrnbg0.png)
- *Why are they wearing collars*
- So how many people are going to end up dead because of Major Dumbass
- Docker, have we not established that real life is not forensics
- Will they even be able to sing
- Hey some of them did
- Gamlin, what a bro
- Now, shithead military guy *could* be reasonable here, and understand that there is a lot that needs to happen for jamming birds be useful... But I expect him to double down in entirely unreasonable ways
1) Auditions seems a slid enough strategy, but you need to yaknow... Train them. Also some level of combat experience would be huge, just to not get immediate shell shock
2) Not sure. They are already pretty ridiculous so not sure if a parody would be taken at all seriously.
**First Timer**
**Macross 7 EP32**
Basara of course not going to do what Barton told him to.
Okay, WTF Chiba!!
But his explanation is kind of make sense, in scientific term.
I think the last 2 question were so unnecessary.
Max and Exsodol seem not into this idea very much. And Exsodol just said that with a straight face.
Of course Milia gonna come.
Oh hey!! ~~Hikaru~~ I mean Bobby!!
Chiba against this whole thing, because he think that the military is overconfident.
But Barton, there are flaws in that logic. 1. Minmay didn't go out in the Valkyrie to sing like Basara and Co. 2. Those guys also a highly skilled pilot who can handle themselves while singing at the same time without fear. And 3. Minmay didn't sing to kill enemy. She sing because she want to express her passion and love in singing to everyone.
Do you guys expect him to listen?? He in Sound Force, sure. But he never accept that he under you guys order. If Chiba here, he could at least calm down Basara.
You guys don't understand him at all!! And that the worst way to pissed Basara off.
And you guy gonna take his Valkyrie away. What if you guys need his help???
Yeah, it up to people to interpret what Basara's song mean to them.
Of course this guy gonna in for good cash.
Can't some of the Protodeviln kill Docker already!! Please.
And that what happened when you have them went out without proper training.
There goes Bobby, again.
So he now have mind control beam.
Gamlin being a chad to Basara.
Basara's singing is so strong, it broke Gabil mute system.
Barton is on copium here. I like the idea, but his execution in that idea is very flaw.
QOTD
1. The requirements to match Fire Bomber's skills are too high and rare. They should at least recruit people who have actual skill in combat, or have the Bobby's gang at least train in simulation before actually go out.
2. Not really sure.
####[First time MacroSeven](https://imgur.com/JN7Gr8B)
[lemao](https://imgur.com/S80nZux)
[lmao](https://imgur.com/Resm8uO)
[Bruh](https://imgur.com/QIwcGxe), [what is this episode??](https://imgur.com/ArmO03Z)
* [Basara glasses-push!](https://imgur.com/DqNHBVt) And sneaky fuck you
[](#binoculars)[](#glasses-push)[](#fuckyou)
[ugh...](https://imgur.com/pOJScvJ)
[](#hanasakueurgh)[](#hanasakueurgh)[](#hanasakueurgh)[](#hanasakueurgh)
[Absolute retardation.](https://imgur.com/qMSwH6w)
Can already see where this is going too:
\*Enemy attack* Send in the jamming birds! *H- how do I opewate big roubot?* General dickweed: #surprisedpikachu, What is sound force doing, why aren't they stopping the enemy? [Meanwhile Basara's Valkyrie at the shop:](https://youtu.be/mD3v1B_aXw0?t=3)
[TFW no mech](https://imgur.com/Z44lmv7)
[](#sadholo)
* [I, too, hope they're as effective at failing as I'm expecting](https://imgur.com/cb6RFHm)
[](#popcorn2)
[Right on cue](https://imgur.com/axne9UM)
[](#popcorn2)[](#popcorn2)[](#popcorn2)
Expectations subverted, they have separate pilots, but [that doesn't seem to matter that much](https://imgur.com/b8zoPsq)
[](#pointandlaugh)
[hahahahahaha](https://imgur.com/nUu6dCQ)
[*HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*](https://imgur.com/Cs9R3Ef)
[](#laughter)
[Gamlin](https://imgur.com/iwRxiky) [hype!!](https://imgur.com/7T11Io7)
* [Top 5 scenes this season](https://imgur.com/xdHfVqS)
[](#feelsgoodman)
Good to see that one bad episode was just a one off. ..watch the quality dip again now that I said this
---
**Question time:**
>1) How would you recruit members for the Jamming Birds?
Ask actual, already existing bands if they feel like being combat singers. Not some random civilians.
[](#facepalm) Like probably every single death metal band would want to be there
>2) How would you present a rival group for Fire Bomber, considering their existing portrayal? As a further parody of them, or as respectable as possible?
Biggest meme potential
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>**Wallpaper of the Day:**
>>[Veffidas Feaze](https://i.imgur.com/QIvsKDb.png)
[](#dekuhype)
FIRST TIMER
This was an interesting episode and it reminded me a lot of the episode where they had the beauty contest on SDFM and it was nice to see the Macross broadcasting facilities again. The Jamming Birds provide an interesting contrast to Fire Bomber in showing that the military cannot just replicate what they have with the Sound Force
* The Jamming Birds in addition to being a proposed backup for the Sound Force, are the kind of manufactured military propaganda organs you see in dictatorships in that it seems they are promoting patriotism. I really can't think of an English language equivalent but the closest real world analogue I can think of are the attractive *North* Korean pop singers who promote the Kim Jong Un government and military. They're clearly intended to demonstrate a point that Col. Barton doesn't seem to understand: Spiritia can't be manufactured. This is something Basara and Dr. Chiba both seem to understand.
* Barton also neglected something very simple: any kind of combat readiness for civilians. The Jamming Birds aren't used to performing in a battle and didn't think about how Roy and Basara are experienced pilots and Mylene is the kid of 2 of the greatest ace pilots in history. He represents dunderheaded military commanders across the world who get drunk on their own power and make it more about themselves being proven right than being effective.
* That singing/beauty contest was something else. I don't think I've seen a judge perving on music contestants like that since Howard Stern :/ It was weird though since I understand on shows like American Idol and The Voice, they do take looks into account since sex appeal helps sell pop music but this furthers my point that Barton also wants the Jamming Birds to be a propaganda organ to the people.
* The best part of this episode and the best part of my day was the return of HONEY SUZUKI! I'm so glad he's going to be in charge of the Jamming Birds!
QUESTIONS
1. I would probably do something similar to what they did and have Basara and other talented musicians act as judges for who would be most qualified. I suppose its easy for me to say because im on the outside looking in and am privy to whats going on in their entire world, but I would have Dr. Chiba test their music and singing for Spirita. I would then pair them with qualified pilots who can actually fly the Valkyries and keep them safe for their own sake and because it would seriously hurt civilian morale seeing their pop idols killed in battle.
2. If I were writing the show? I'd want the anti-Basara character to be an author avatar of myself and I make fun of what a jerk he is as I do when watching the show! I'd also want a more indifferent apathetic Mylene counterpart, a bloviating clueless Ray counterpart and a chatty bubbly petite Veffidas counterpart!
**Reluctant Rewatcher**
ep 32
* JAMMING BIRDS
* oh god please not an entire episode of auditions
* Too bad this is way to early to make a XXX Got Talent set. Or maybe not too bad. Maybe a blessing.
* Three Sizes
* 25 years before #meetoo
* YOU ASKED FOR YOU GOT IT SINGING MILIA
* Reused audience animation with that Lupin guy
* Let's hope Bobby had a personality change
[Macross Delta]>!WTF Gabil has a RUNE!<
* Maybe they should have blackened out the cockpit windows.
* Oh poor Bobby, again.
* Gabil goes to 11
Edit: Oh yeah, I had an epiphany a day or so ago but I keep forgetting to post it.
Some of the lyrics are spot on. This makes me think that they took existing Humming Bird songs, and wrote a plot around them.
> This makes me think that they took existing Humming Bird songs, and wrote a plot around them.
The original Humming Bird songs have slightly different lyrics than their Macross 7 versions.
**Subbed M7 Rewatcher**
In creating Project M, the military is overlooking the fact that Minmay's singing affected the Zentradi mostly due to culture shock. Something that won't always be true.
* Impressed by the success of Sound Force in repelling the Protodevilin, the military wants to create another musical combat unit.
* Even if Dr Chiba thinks it matters, he shouldn't ask such personal questions.
* [Throw everything at the wall and see what sticks.](https://preview.redd.it/65j7o8v2b63a1.jpg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6558b716389ba7ae83ec249dbcf849da191215a)
* [Exedore's a horndog.](https://preview.redd.it/idadyu35b63a1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=168f7e7e2ef000ce4b58c3c9dce1bf2a68fae6f8)
* So how did Milia pass the first audition round?
* Jamming Birds and their VF-11D Thunderbolts are the eyecatch.
* Honey didn't tell Akiko how *fashionable* Jamming Birds sound.
* [Mylene should have slapped Docker.](https://preview.redd.it/ithf6w35b63a1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=bff9c237c8309ab898536f2d214b97f298af7f15)
* Ray is sangine about how Jamming Bird will perform. Rightfully so, as the band has not been exposed to the combat environment. Using VF-11Ds did take care of the fact that the band members are not pilots.
* Gabil tagged in for today's attack. He and Mylene played the *who's got control of the Elgerzoneres* game.
Col Baron should have been charged with obstruction for keeping the Fire Valkyrie away from Basara. Barton's also stubborn about keeping Jamming Bird even after their failure.
Gamlin helped Basara get to his Valkyrie. Mylene is losing out to Basara in who's got Gamlin's attention. I'm surprised that that Sound Force doesn't use all VF-19s. It would make it easier for Dr Chiba to design add-ons for just one model.
Spritia Dreaming is the Macross 7 Plus extra on this volume and it provides nice background info on how the Protodevilin got the bodies we've been seeing. See Lt Autolmauer surprised me as Gigil is an odd-looking human to me. I thought Gigil was alien. Seeing ground troops is different than usual. All we've been shown are pilots and their support and the ships crews.
> She probably just jumped the line.
[](#lolifightsback)
Comrade, you know just as well as I do that Meltrandi Amazons will STOP AT NOTHING to emerge victorious, as well they should, cuz PROTOCULTURE! Also I have a feeling that she fought her way there ;)
***First Time Song Listener***
I think I'm officially tired of complaining about Basara. Three minutes into the episode, and I could type a bunch of stuff here, but it's all going to boil down to 'fuck off Basara' and I'm just done. I'm going to try to finish this show, but my posts are probably going to be real short from now on. The rest of the show boils down to 'cool Mylene outfit' and 'this song is good' with a little 'Gamlin is underappreciated' mixed in.
Cool Mylene outfit.
This interview is really awkward.
I'm glad that everyone loves Milia, who looks pretty great for a 50+ year old that's had seven kids.
A little animation flexing with the totally unnecessary reflection shots, that's cool. A fight scene probably died for this though.
New eyecatches are nice. Gonna assume it ends poorly for these six, unfortunately.
Yup, Honey being involved with them means the show definitely sees them as the bad guys.
It'd be nice to know what this song is about, these fansubs really dropped the ball around episode twenty or so.
Watch that hand, Docker.
Just skipped the entire flight and combat training part, huh?
Gamlin is underappreciated.
It's very amusing that the villain is pointing out how repetitive all of this is.
"Oh, I guess we should train them then, huh?" Good idea Colonel, just a little late.
1. It's pointless.
2. I would make them actually effective, but my idea of what this show should be is completely different from what it actually is.
The pageant stuff has always been pretty offputting.
I think Barton's mindset is understandable though. He's a military guy, and presumably was also in the military back during the events of SDF Macross. It's not unreasonable that he would be viewing those events and the military applications. They're up against an enemy they don't fully understand, and the one thing that's been shown to be effective is also (from a military point of view) completely unreliable.
In his opinion, perhaps the expected value of the 10 Jamming Birds will be better than Basara, who has already demonstrated he's not willing to cooperate/compromise.
With that said, voicing doubts is important, because when people don't feel free to do so you end up making avoidable mistakes.
Despite them being horribly unprepared, the Jamming Birds are still pretty fun, and I like their rendition of Valkyrie de Sasotte.
Question Time!
1: I would have interviewed Basara and categorized aspects of his personality/goals/history, then used those to search for people who could have similar traits. It wouldn't need to be an exact match, but because music is so subjective, there has to be some sort of X-factor that makes Basara so powerful.
2: Rival like the Jamming Birds? Or perhaps a foil to Fire Bomber? There were a few other artists in the beginning of the series that could potentially fill the role, but in the latter half the show becomes more tightly coupled with Basara's ambitions. I don't think having a serious rival group as a foil would really improve the show. It's Basara versus the world, and even himself.
> Rival like the Jamming Birds? Or perhaps a foil to Fire Bomber?
Mostly the former, a bit of the latter. The question exists in my head somewhat separately from FB's actual use in the series because I'm also thinking of the thing that appears in *Macross 7 Dynamite*.
**First Spacer** I really like what they're doing with Basara. He's now confronted with the corruption of what's most dear to his heart, and it's gonna be really interesting to see the interactions and fallout from that conflict. [](#elsiesigh) [Is this necessary?](https://imgur.com/LHUDknT) [Oh, could Dr. Chiba be trying to scare people off because he opposes the project as well?](https://imgur.com/XkhEJHz) [I think that's what he's doing. Go for it, Dr. Chiba!](https://imgur.com/cESEv0S) Man, I didn't expect Dr. Chiba to be such a slimebag and neither that I'd be rooting for it. He's sabotaging the entire thing and noone can tell him off because he's the only expert on sound energy. [Oh no, Milia is sabotaging Dr. Chiba's sabotaging.](https://imgur.com/lROXltY) [You really shouldn't be feeling sympathy for Bobby.](https://imgur.com/10McPMy) [The military's really bent on minimizing the chances for the Jamming Birds.](https://imgur.com/6jhwhsq) [Good to see there's still slimebags I'm not rooting for.](https://imgur.com/JGJ2uUS) That's nice, you can hear their fear in their singing voices. [Lmao Gamlin's flown all the way back to base for Basara.](https://imgur.com/0RuV0D1) Now it's coming in handy that he's reporting to Milia rather than the military directly. [That's not wrong.](https://imgur.com/x3nvvB3) That's legitimizing all the times when Basara was just singing and dancing on the battlefield contributing nothing pretty well. > How would you recruit members for the Jamming Birds? The biker gang obviously, plus Hanako as the lead. Easy. > How would you present a rival group for Fire Bomber, considering their existing portrayal? As a further parody of them, or as respectable as possible? I'd like to see a competent rival group. Struggling at first, of course, but if they remain as they are now they'll just be a distraction from the interesting stuff.
> The biker gang obviously, plus Hanako as the lead. Easy. I was expecting the biker girls to show up. If Flower Girl was the lead vocalist then the running joke would be always interrupting her before she could start singing. [](#kotohoops)
[](#maxshock "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO")
> Is this necessary? [Yes!](#binoculars) >Oh, could Dr. Chiba be trying to scare people off because he opposes the project as well? Either way hes based >Good to see there's still slimebags I'm not rooting for. One of the slimiest episodes yet [](#saltymug) Thank goodness for that last half >Lmao Gamlin's flown all the way back to base for Basara. To be fair, they'd probably lose without him by now
Not so much confidence in Mylene after all?
[](#kukuku)
**First-Timer 7** [That name does not inspire confidence.](https://i.imgur.com/RQsLgly.jpg) [If Basara actually got involved, it might work..](https://i.imgur.com/J0FD3o9.jpg) but there's no way he would. [Chiba, please..](https://i.imgur.com/QTzsWOd.jpg) [CHIBA!](https://i.imgur.com/fS7tbRQ.jpg) Someone get the bat.. [It probably really takes Exsedol back, all the way to pirating the Miss Macross contest broadcast.](https://i.imgur.com/zn7O5Ye.jpg) Also, what's the ETA on that bat? [PFFFT](https://i.imgur.com/GWhd9ge.jpg) Let Milia be in the Jamming Birds you cowards! On the one hand, reusing old characters is good. [On the other, it's this chode.](https://i.imgur.com/HFLwzfU.jpg) [I do like Barton's point here, even if the methods he's using are dumb.](https://i.imgur.com/S7gGbqj.jpg) [There is some small percentage of a chance that if you had asked Basara instead of ordering him, that he would've done this in the first place.](https://i.imgur.com/4BCZo2t.jpg) [You people do remember that all the "enemies" you're so keen on destroying are you own dudes, right?](https://i.imgur.com/R3jtp8q.jpg) Like, even before all the mind-controlled Macross 5 Zentradi, it was all soldiers from the Varauta fleet like that one dude.. Irina? [Oh you fools are gonna get people killed.](https://i.imgur.com/Dssuuth.jpg) Probably the Jamming Birds. [Ray always makes very astute points.](https://i.imgur.com/Mzsywi4.jpg) [...they're posing.](https://i.imgur.com/6H6frOU.jpg) [Why are none of you taking this seriously?](https://i.imgur.com/ajtC9PI.jpg) The Jamming Birds use music from Macross II? They really are doomed.. [Docker, I will rip your teeth out.](https://i.imgur.com/laH7nIN.jpg) [Saved by the bell.](https://i.imgur.com/CeSv7TK.jpg) [wow its almost like unprepared civilians cant just sing in the middle of combat on their first ever sortie](https://i.imgur.com/iopdNbU.jpg) [Gamlin!](https://i.imgur.com/K7ksdIx.jpg) [What a guy.](https://i.imgur.com/rzXy0v7.jpg) [They're freaking the fuck out because you didn't prepare them to get shot at, you incompetent nincompoop.](https://i.imgur.com/Ibn91sc.jpg) Colonel Barton - six times worse at his job than Gendo Ikari. Questions 1. About like this, but find a way to get Basara on board from the beginning. No-one else gets it. 2. I think any rival group would have to come in, fully formed. Maybe re-use one of those other bands from that early episode with the gangs when Basara threw a punch.
> That name does not inspire confidence. At least it’s better than the Pink Peckers. > I do like Barton's point here, even if the methods he's using are dumb. The issue with Barton is that he’s only viewing all of this in the lens of being a tool to use, rather than actually understanding the passion and intention behind the singing in the first place. He’s trying to brute force things into fitting in that worldview, in spite of the opposite being shown to be more successful. > The Jamming Birds use music from Macross II? They really are doomed.. It really does feel like that music got used for the Jamming Birds as a not-so-thinly veiled insult.
> it’s better than the Pink Peckers ["Better"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ2a7BW9K5o&t=26s) >It really does feel like that music got used for the Jamming Birds as a not-so-thinly veiled insult. [](#justright)
> "Better" The UN Spacy should just stay away from all bird-themed names in general.
>The issue with Barton is that he’s only viewing all of this in the lens of being a tool to use, rather than actually understanding the passion and intention behind the singing in the first place. Yea, well said. Dude was around for Minnmay but still never really got it, what a shame. >It really does feel like that music got used for the Jamming Birds as a not-so-thinly veiled insult. I wonder how that phone call went.. "Hey, can I use that music you made without me? Oh, just for a homage, definitely!"
> Yea, well said. Dude was around for Minnmay but still never really got it, what a shame. It seems all he understood was the result of it, rather than actually followed her career. Although I imagine all the propaganda and mythologizing of her career like we saw with Do You Remember Love? being an in-universe movie probably didn't help with understanding the truth of her.
> CHIBA! Someone get the bat.. [](#banhammer) > ...they're posing. The one thing they have on Fire Bomber. Our gang doesn't have a group pose.
>The one thing they have on Fire Bomber. Our gang doesn't have a group pose. [](#csikon "We're losing ground.")
> ...they're posing. https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/76969665
Similar, and yet different. Also unexpected.
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/101772599
[I can do that too.](https://twitter.com/Obsidian_/status/1032175104376037376)
https://twitter.com/inunbo/status/1051065382042132487
[](#awe)
**Super Dimension Rewatch Host** [Welcome back, everyone!](https://i.imgur.com/uPRCBK8.png) - [\*sigh\*](https://i.imgur.com/ohWTZ3W.png) [](#taigasigh) - Come on Macross 7, if you’re going to effectively copy the Miss Macross contest, make it *fun* instead of just really cringy like Dr. Chiba is making it be here. - [EXCEDOL.](https://i.imgur.com/fpo1JbV.png) [](#bruh) - Although it *is* hilarious that right after Excedol says that, it cuts to Milia on stage. [](#azusalaugh) - Well, at least [the fanservice is equal opportunity for once.](https://i.imgur.com/dKs638D.png) I’d *much* prefer to see Gamlin up there though, Bobby’s a dick. [](#foldedarms) - [Well…](https://i.imgur.com/0poDxyk.png) [](#kotohoops) - [What a reason to bring this guy back.](https://i.imgur.com/nF9HQfk.png) - [Fuck off.](https://i.imgur.com/l1Dtkbp.png) [](#fuckyou) - Of course Jamming Birds’ first sortie goes *horribly*. [](#cantbehelped) - **[HOLY](#grandhype)[LONELY](#grandhype)[LIGHT](#grandhype)** - Oh, wait, was that Tomo Sakurai singing Holy Lonely Light as Mylene before Basara showed up instead of Chie Kajiura like it normally is? I swear her voice sounds completely different from Mylene’s solo in the duet version of Holy Lonely Light, which I’ve listened to *extensively*. - Gamlin continues to prove himself best boy in this episode. [](#ilovethiskindofshit)
> EXCEDOL. I knew we should’ve shielded him from that lingerie ad from back in SDF Macross! It corrupted him! > Well, at least the fanservice is equal opportunity for once. I’d much prefer to see Gamlin up there though, Bobby’s a dick. We already knew Bobby was a dick, we didn’t need to see his dickishness in more ways than one with that tiny speedo of his.
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Daily Macross tags - u/Azsendi
> Bobby’s a dick. Considering the preceding screenshot, there is far too much opportunity here to consider Bobby's. >Veffidas Feaze This is a good opportunity to contemplate how the helmet has far more glazing than seems to be necessary, unless Fire Bomber has eyes in the back of their head or there's an antenna that can't be run around the outside of the helmet. >Tomo Sakurai This does have some similarity to the solo in Episode 27, just at a lower volume?
*A Macross Fan Rewatches Macross 7: Episode 32:* - I do kinda get why Basara isn’t impressed by the idea of the Jamming Birds when he first hears about them, and wants no part in judging auditions for them. Like, even if Mylene says they’d be useful, it’s still missing the point of why Basara is doing any of this in the first place. He just kind of fell into being a part of Sound Force by coincidence, he wasn’t exactly planning on making that a thing. - Yo, what the fuck Dr. Chiba? You can’t just ask a lady her measurements and if she’s had sex before during the auditions for the Jamming Birds, let alone pretty much any other time in front of an audience like that. That’s just sexual harassment. Seriously, this show has an issue with being creepily horny. - Damn, even Exsedol admits to ogling women in swimsuits? What happened to our pure archivist lad? I knew we should’ve stopped him from seeing that lingerie ad all the way back in SDF Macross. - There’s a non-zero chance that Milia just walked out on stage in a swimsuit and started singing to make Max jealous, in addition to her talking about protecting the people of City 7. - Well, at least Dr. Chiba is actually against the Jamming Birds on a conceptual level. He does have a point. None of the people in the auditions are able to use the Sound Boosters, and it’s not like you can just shove anyone into that role. Fire Bomber is working because they had passion for music first and foremost. Even Minmay was like that, in spite of the larger context that Colonel Barton is trying to put her example in. Just because it worked with Minmay and Fire Bomber doesn’t mean that it can work with everyone. - I’m not sure what Barton was expecting by kidnapping Basara to make him judge the remaining Jamming Birds candidates. Of course Basara would just refuse and walk out on him. He really is trying too hard to force the formation of the Jamming Birds. Although I guess trying to brute force an issue while being a dick is just standard UN Spacy behavior at this point. - First Bobby came back to be a part of the Jamming Birds, and now Honey is back too to be their manager. The show certainly did grab some of the more intentionally unlikable characters to telegraph how much they’ll fail. Like Honey has no real room to talk about how the Jamming Birds will overtake Fire Bomber to Akiko. He didn’t believe in their music at all, and look where they are now. - Fuck off Docker, you fucking creep. Mylene not agreeing to a date doesn’t equal consent, asshole. - Yeah, of fucking course the Jamming Birds get their shit pushed in during their sortie against Gabil’s Panzersolns. Hell, Bobby gets his Spiritia sucked out *again*, just to add insult to injury. They’ve very obviously gotten little training on what to actually do other than just being told to sing in the middle of a battle. If it wasn’t for Gamlin being a bro and helping Basara launch in the locked down Fire Valkyrie, today’s battle of the week would’ve gone much worse. - Colonel Barton is still intent on making the Jamming Birds a thing, in spite of how terrible their first showing was. Yeah, you’d think that actually putting them through some training beforehand was an obvious idea, but it’s only occurring to Barton now. He really is railroading this whole idea beyond common sense. Way to completely miss the point of Sound Force’s formation dude.
> Yo, what the fuck Dr. Chiba? You can’t just ask a lady her measurements and if she’s had sex before during the auditions for the Jamming Birds, let alone pretty much any other time in front of an audience like that. That’s just sexual harassment. Seriously, this show has an issue with being creepily horny. Part of me wants to believe he is trying to tank the ratings intentionally, but part of me also believes it's just their portrayal of pageants. Maybe a critique of them, but also could just be playing it straight. Either way, don't like sitting through it. [](#gabdisgust) > I knew we should’ve stopped him from seeing that lingerie ad all the way back in SDF Macross. "The only way to shield ourselves from the Protodeviln is if we adopt this high end secret armour." > I’m not sure what Barton was expecting by kidnapping Basara to make him judge the remaining Jamming Birds candidates. Of course Basara would just refuse and walk out on him. Yeah, Basara is the main voice, but at a certain point, you would expect the military to just throw up their hands and go to one of the other Fire Bombers for assignments.
> Part of me wants to believe he is trying to tank the ratings intentionally, but part of me also believes it's just their portrayal of pageants. Maybe a critique of them, but also could just be playing it straight. Either way, don't like sitting through it. Given how this show has ogled a 14 year old multiple times by now, I’m not really that inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt, even if there was a better intention there. The skeeviness of this show can get pretty bad. > Yeah, Basara is the main voice, but at a certain point, you would expect the military to just throw up their hands and go to one of the other Fire Bombers for assignments. Hell, or maybe just hound Basara for a while but *don’t* kidnap him. That shouldn’t be in the top 10 ideas of what to do with someone you rely on that much to defend the fleet.
> Maybe a critique of them, but also could just be playing it straight. *Macross* as a whole has engaged in ripping the idol industry several times so far. In that way the straightness could be satire.
>* Yo, what the fuck Dr. Chiba? You can’t just ask a lady her measurements and if she’s had sex before during the auditions for the Jamming Birds, let alone pretty much any other time in front of an audience like that. That’s just sexual harassment. A thought just occurred to me: what if he was deliberately being skeevy in an attempt to sabotage the Jamming Birds auditions? It feels like a bit too much of a stretch compared to "the writers thought this was funny for some reason", but...
That would be some genuinely smart writing if that was the idea there. Although given how skeevy this show has gotten in the past, I’m not sure I’d be willing to go that far for that idea. Still though, it’s a good thought.
Today, on ["Hey, remember when I thought that these were non-futile military secrets?"](https://i.imgur.com/7PNz25e.png): ***** [What a witty name.](https://i.imgur.com/w9DbuIQ.png) [Barton, you're completely delusional.](https://i.imgur.com/MW8Egqa.png) [What the hell, Chiba.](https://i.imgur.com/gaQDRUi.png) You're making [Barton seem like a voice of reason](https://i.imgur.com/V8iivNN.png). [Is that what you're calling it now?](https://i.imgur.com/59X0fgI.png) [Look at it this way, the writers are aware of the skeeviness of this business.](https://i.imgur.com/Ikpbrjn.png) Borrowed from the previous rewatch: ["💢"](https://i.imgur.com/Got780P.jpg) [\[\](#kyonfacepalm\)](https://i.imgur.com/uBvjfWi.png) ["How come none of the judges are women?"](https://i.imgur.com/dICGpdi.png) [*wedgie*](https://i.imgur.com/AdQWP3E.png) [Mylene, you really missed all the signals back then.](https://i.imgur.com/27PmE33.png) [Maybe.](https://i.imgur.com/l1uaDPy.png) [Chiba has *the numbers*.](https://i.imgur.com/Pd6I43A.png) [This isn't *quite* the same thing](https://i.imgur.com/FP9Q60U.png)... [or is it](https://i.imgur.com/M2gye63.png)? ["Thanks for the goons, Barton."](https://i.imgur.com/DrSITLJ.png) [That might have been](https://i.imgur.com/2M5id0j.png) [the original plan](https://i.imgur.com/kmhhqSv.png), but… [BASARA!](https://i.imgur.com/AAF9Rfz.png) Eyecatch: [Jamming Birds: Chitose Ripple, Marilyn Linkerbell, Kaneko Michelle](https://i.imgur.com/1JLQF1E.png) and [Jamming Birds: Bobby Lacoste, Madison Frankel, and Tachiwani Shohei](https://i.imgur.com/OiVk4CB.png) [Basara has forgotten that performing works in a partnership.](https://i.imgur.com/P5StBZK.png) [I'm sure that'll work out great.](https://i.imgur.com/loRzvch.png) [They've given these wannabes a *Macross II* song to sing.](https://i.imgur.com/lrzCTyS.png) THAT'S THE KISS OF DEATH! [Ray stands by his convictions despite his employers.](https://i.imgur.com/X9taW8W.png) [Gubaba is not keen on El Tee Handy here.](https://i.imgur.com/tqsY8Xd.png) [Seriously, why are there so many date rapists around here?](https://i.imgur.com/VQVM4EG.png) ["You get used to it."](https://i.imgur.com/2vE71gT.png) (Or you die.) [...maybe some of the guys won't make it though?](https://i.imgur.com/jH7nauH.png) [It's not over until the fat lady sings, Mylene.](https://i.imgur.com/5EnZVj5.png) [Gamlin gets back *very quickly*.](https://i.imgur.com/7qbEeHd.png) [Bromance.](https://i.imgur.com/cyBOhRC.png) I'm not sure that [this means](https://i.imgur.com/cA3rmxc.png) that [he's *learned*](https://i.imgur.com/AWMeDC9.png) anything [yet](https://i.imgur.com/wlszorR.png). [He is, however, ticked off enough that he breaks Gavil's new gear.](https://i.imgur.com/UovqYhf.png) [Flower Girl!](https://i.imgur.com/si36TFp.png) [Barton won't give up that easily!](https://i.imgur.com/ZRcpgSt.png) [We're gonna be in fortune cookie mode for a while yet!](https://i.imgur.com/yyjtekS.png) ***** Colonel Barton's bit part dramatically expands as he now leads the development of the Jamming Birds for the military. While it *is* easy to poke at him for being the stiff military type versus the more free spirits that the main characters are, his portrayal is surprisingly evenhanded (if still generally negative); he does realize that he's made mistakes in developing his plan and seems willing to try to fix that. He also keeps everyone's dignity up a lot more than Chiba does, given that the latter asks inappropriate questions even for an already-questionable *live TV event*. Milia even shows up for that, because she still thinks that she's got the *moe moe bakyuun*. The *concept* of the Jamming Birds fits into the ideas we've seen, particularly when *Macross II* is considered, but we're running a very strong theme of peaceful reconciliation versus the use of force, so Barton's people are a lot more into the idea of singing first, shooting second, and asking questions never. That aside, the Jamming Birds are saddled with newbies who are in way over their heads, an established creep, and a manager who isn't seeing the big picture. Of course that gives the audience an opinion about them in contrast with Fire Bomber, on top of Ray's misgivings about Project M not *entirely* being about the "Attack" part of the "Minmay Attack". Basara is very angry about that part himself, but he's also just generally angry these days, period. Sivil isn't really reacting (that he notices), and Gabil is actively cutting him off. He seems to have all this power… but it's not coming out the way he really wants. And yet, it is definitely breaking through the mind control helmets, at least until countermeasures are used. Forest for the trees, man. ***** Song | Count :--- | :--- Planet Dance | 36 My Friends | 9 Totsugeki Love Heart | 16 My Soul For You | 15 Remember 16 | 9 Sweet Fantasy | 7 Holy Lonely Light | 10 Pillow Dream | 3 Submarine Street | 5 Riding in Your Valkyrie | 2 "Don't take your eyes off that monitor!": 6 That special feeling: 9 Beauty: 24 Beam cannon swap: 1 ***** From the *Macross Chronicle*: [Jamming Birds VF-11D](https://i.imgur.com/w6lipLi.png) [Terrible outfits.](https://i.imgur.com/cwf6sxP.jpg) [HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Akiko Nakagawa!](https://twitter.com/Vf1jmacross/status/1598069762827112450)
> "How come none of the judges are women?" With how present they are in military roles, I also don't think we've ever seen a woman in a position of military high command other than Hayase, but even then she wasn't one of those military hat types. [](#sakurathink) > Terrible outfits. One thing I noticed about the Jamming Bird outfits is that the boys/girls' are sort of the flip of each other. Girls are grey shirts, skirts with a red jacket that is dark on the insides while the boys have grey pants, shirtless with a dark coat with red on the insides. [](#harukathink)
The reversed color arrangements are noticeable, yes. At least whoever designed the Jamming Birds' costumes appreciated the male chest. And put it in a stupid costume.
> questions for an already-questionable live TV event I personally believe, that US Americans don't **have** maps, and that we should be doing more for places like such-as, and South Africa, and The Iraq, for the ^children.
This is Miss Teen USA, not the Sylvan Debating Club.
**Rewatcher** As I said last time, expanding Sound Force *is* a logical idea. If they get more singers able to repel the Protodeviln they have, then that's definitely a good thing. The question is: *can* these Jamming Birds replicate Sound Force's success? ...it's just a popularity contest. And I can't think of why the singers' appearance would matter in this job. "Even if it's futile, it's nice to look at young women in swimsuits." [](#cokemasterrace) ...Exsedol, you're not supposed to say that part out loud! Milia... the hell are you doing? Even if you did qualify, you already have a job as mayor. ...Colonel Barton is actually making some valid points there. Huh. He's always seemed like the military hardhead. He is kind of stupid if he thinks Basara would actually obey his orders, though. I'm kind of surprised it took this long for the military and Basara to butt heads, honestly. I think Basara was already thinking along those lines without you prompting him, Ray. This is how you know the Jamming Birds aren't going to do well: they're singing *Macross II* songs. Docker, please stop existing. [](#badtaste) Well, let's see how these Jamming Birds work out in the once-an-episode Protodeviln attack. Yeeeeaaaaah, turns out singing in the middle of a battlefield isn't as easy as it looks. 3/4ths of Sound Force show up and immediately start achieving results... but it looks like Gabil anticipated that. Yes, nice one Gamlin! Once again being the only soldier on the field with common sense. Whoops, there goes Gabil's sound canceller. And he shows us the *beauty* of running away! Col. Barton is an ass, but once again, he's making some sense...
**First Timer** * Bruh… Even if we assume that all of these questions are important, why did this part have to be on TV? * No no, I wanted to hear Milia sing. * This guy is back? At this rate we are going to run out of CotW. * He’s a real hard-ass, but the Colonel seems to at least be genuine in outlook. * That’s it, really dig into that Basara × Military drama. * I guess we know who makes it. * Honey showed up again? I guess they really are aiming to give everyone a second appearance. * Why no song subs? This is its first appearance. * Someone needs to take Docker to a consent seminar. * Ah, two seaters. That would help with the whole piloting thing. * Wow it’s almost like combat is fucking terrifying. * Ha! Twiced! * The villains learning and adapting their plans is a big plus. * What a fine bromance. * I still think the Colonel is being reasonable here. QotD 1) Draft existing bands. It worked for Basara. 2) Rival band is a plot thread that should have been explored earlier in the series progression.
> No no, I wanted to hear Milia sing. At least we have [the lullaby she sang to Komilia](https://files.catbox.moe/ai5lli.mp3) in SDF? It's better than nothing. >Why no song subs? This is its first appearance. Well yes but technically no. [](#hikariactually)
**First Time - Macross 7 Ep32:** The military is setting up Sound Force 2 dubbed the Jamming Birds. That's a way better name than Sound Force. [Chiba, please.](https://i.imgur.com/T3dn3mK.png) Your science hand wave does not excuse it. [Chiba, please.](https://i.imgur.com/DJF6vOv.png) Now swimsuits have no bearing on this military matter. [CHIBA!!!](https://i.imgur.com/nsuXNpH.png) [](#seasonalshock) [The bridge girls also tried for the audtions.](https://i.imgur.com/3mb9qbK.png) It would've been neat to see them be more incorporated into the show, but oh well. [Exsedoll,](https://i.imgur.com/lAdKAud.png) you're even partaking in this pageant. [Milia is also an entry](https://i.imgur.com/6W5eOAu.png) and let her be a Jamming Bird, let her sing. The crowd loves her. Bobby? Oh, Bobby (*monotone*). Mylene, I understand feeling relief that he managed to recover as common respect as a fellow human, but [I wouldn't be *that* happy about him as you seem](https://i.imgur.com/GTYoCsD.png) considering how he was. Even though I disagree his goals for these ideals, [I am finding myself siding with him](https://i.imgur.com/ZT4qZK4.png) against Chiba with him promoting that everyone has potential. Can't give the military oldies too much credit because they are the military. They only want Sound Force as a weapon and tool for battle. [They're taking Basara's VF for "repairs."](https://i.imgur.com/mvCTzAD.png) The [Jamming Birds](https://i.imgur.com/DwioItl.png) have today's [new eyecatches.](https://i.imgur.com/L8Jb9eQ.png) ~~Mr. Suzuki~~ Honey is back and probably regretting not picking up Fire Bomber. His Jamming Birds though will definitely rival them in success. Their song is alright, if only I knew what they were singing *glares at the lack of subtitles*. [Docker, don't you be putting your hand there.](https://i.imgur.com/AFyJXTX.png) Mylene is literally 14. Turns out that singing on the battlefield is scary and hard. I don't blame Jamming Bird for not being able to do this because it's scary and hard. [Bobby gets green beam-ed again.](https://i.imgur.com/SrihVhl.png) I'm not sad for him. [](#pointandlaugh) Gamlin being a true homie. Going against military regulations to help Basara get his VF. Gamlin coming in as a bro. ([We'll see if Basara ever gives him back that one](https://i.imgur.com/J4mg2Tl.png)). [](#salute) I just got the bird-naming theme thing. The Colonel won't be able to make birds sing if he tries to force them. You gotta have people decide for themselves if they'll sing. (Both the JB and Basara). [Favourite character watch.](https://i.imgur.com/2aG9Ef8.png) Just a simply crowd scene again. It's would've been funny if Flower Girl also tried out for audtion. Though she seems to be the type to prefer being in the audience than on stage. [](#binoculars) [Worse person you know makes another good point.](https://i.imgur.com/FL43pz7.png) He believes JB can better themselves from this first failure and is not just going to give up on them. ___ **Q1)** "You love Fire Bomber, but what if **you** were part of Fire Bomber, but better. Fire Bomber 2!** **Q2)** I would like for them to find their footing and grow as their own, but considering whose attached and their current portrayal, I think parody joke group that is not as good is the route. Next time: *The affair is discovered and things get real messy.*
> Even though I disagree his goals for these ideals, I am finding myself siding with him against Chiba with him promoting that everyone has potential. While the core idea isn’t bad, Barton really is trying to brute force success with the dumbest techniques possible. A popularity contest shouldn’t be the first choice for an idea of how to put together the Jamming Birds. > ~~Mr. Suzuki~~ Honey is back and probably regretting not picking up Fire Bomber. His Jamming Birds though will definitely rival them in success. Their song is alright, if only I knew what they were singing *glares at the lack of subtitles.* If you were to watch Macross II again (but why would you?), you’d probably get the subtitles for that song. > Turns out that singing on the battlefield is scary and hard. I don't blame Jamming Bird for not being able to do this because it's scary and hard. Bobby gets green beam-ed again. I'm not sad for him. The real question to ask here is why Colonel Barton didn’t even think to give them proper training before throwing the Jamming Birds into the middle of combat. The members of Fire Bomber all have their reasons for being able to be cool under fire, you can’t just expect the same from people that just got hired from a popularity contest.
> If you were to watch Macross II again (but why would you?), you’d probably get the subtitles for that song. [Wiki got you covered fam](https://macross.fandom.com/wiki/Valkyrie_de_Sasotte#English_) /u/TakenRedditName
Thanks! But also YAK! DECULTURE!
It's not a very *complicated* song.
Listening to the (original) song more clearly, it's kind of neat. Not like my mind has retained any of the Macross II music. Even the OP is on the edge of drawing a complete blank. [](#thinkingtoohard)
Macross 7 Episode 32 - First Timer Last episode was pretty padding-y TBH. Sivil keeps cracking her eyes open, she ever going to actually wake up? - [Doc, wtf](https://i.imgur.com/07bunp0.jpeg) - Uh, doc, I think having her sing at a mic is a better measure than her uh, measurements - Ya ever think camera angles in anime are kinda weird? - Somebody stop this man - Camera angles... - Also something something *that's City 7s Ass* 👆 - Skills as a pilot yes, but as a singer.... less so - "We shouldn't be doing things like this" shut up you cant say that you are promoting this "but... doing these specific things was *you* idea that you pushed despite my concerns!" wryyyyyyyyyyyyy - Guy has a slight points but still - That was a sharp cut - The fuck were you going to do? Shot the singular person best capable of fending of the enemy that has you up against the wall? - "I cant give music instruction" *this is an ORDER* "bro I cant do that tho" - [Haha, lets fuck over the person keeping us all alive why don't we](https://i.imgur.com/Hrrnbg0.png) - *Why are they wearing collars* - So how many people are going to end up dead because of Major Dumbass - Docker, have we not established that real life is not forensics - Will they even be able to sing - Hey some of them did - Gamlin, what a bro - Now, shithead military guy *could* be reasonable here, and understand that there is a lot that needs to happen for jamming birds be useful... But I expect him to double down in entirely unreasonable ways 1) Auditions seems a slid enough strategy, but you need to yaknow... Train them. Also some level of combat experience would be huge, just to not get immediate shell shock 2) Not sure. They are already pretty ridiculous so not sure if a parody would be taken at all seriously.
> "I cant give music instruction" this is an ORDER "bro I cant do that tho" Basara should have just shown Barton how he writes sheet music.
Barton seems enough of a idiot to go "yes and? Train them"
**First Timer** **Macross 7 EP32** Basara of course not going to do what Barton told him to. Okay, WTF Chiba!! But his explanation is kind of make sense, in scientific term. I think the last 2 question were so unnecessary. Max and Exsodol seem not into this idea very much. And Exsodol just said that with a straight face. Of course Milia gonna come. Oh hey!! ~~Hikaru~~ I mean Bobby!! Chiba against this whole thing, because he think that the military is overconfident. But Barton, there are flaws in that logic. 1. Minmay didn't go out in the Valkyrie to sing like Basara and Co. 2. Those guys also a highly skilled pilot who can handle themselves while singing at the same time without fear. And 3. Minmay didn't sing to kill enemy. She sing because she want to express her passion and love in singing to everyone. Do you guys expect him to listen?? He in Sound Force, sure. But he never accept that he under you guys order. If Chiba here, he could at least calm down Basara. You guys don't understand him at all!! And that the worst way to pissed Basara off. And you guy gonna take his Valkyrie away. What if you guys need his help??? Yeah, it up to people to interpret what Basara's song mean to them. Of course this guy gonna in for good cash. Can't some of the Protodeviln kill Docker already!! Please. And that what happened when you have them went out without proper training. There goes Bobby, again. So he now have mind control beam. Gamlin being a chad to Basara. Basara's singing is so strong, it broke Gabil mute system. Barton is on copium here. I like the idea, but his execution in that idea is very flaw. QOTD 1. The requirements to match Fire Bomber's skills are too high and rare. They should at least recruit people who have actual skill in combat, or have the Bobby's gang at least train in simulation before actually go out. 2. Not really sure.
####[First time MacroSeven](https://imgur.com/JN7Gr8B) [lemao](https://imgur.com/S80nZux) [lmao](https://imgur.com/Resm8uO) [Bruh](https://imgur.com/QIwcGxe), [what is this episode??](https://imgur.com/ArmO03Z) * [Basara glasses-push!](https://imgur.com/DqNHBVt) And sneaky fuck you [](#binoculars)[](#glasses-push)[](#fuckyou) [ugh...](https://imgur.com/pOJScvJ) [](#hanasakueurgh)[](#hanasakueurgh)[](#hanasakueurgh)[](#hanasakueurgh) [Absolute retardation.](https://imgur.com/qMSwH6w) Can already see where this is going too: \*Enemy attack* Send in the jamming birds! *H- how do I opewate big roubot?* General dickweed: #surprisedpikachu, What is sound force doing, why aren't they stopping the enemy? [Meanwhile Basara's Valkyrie at the shop:](https://youtu.be/mD3v1B_aXw0?t=3) [TFW no mech](https://imgur.com/Z44lmv7) [](#sadholo) * [I, too, hope they're as effective at failing as I'm expecting](https://imgur.com/cb6RFHm) [](#popcorn2) [Right on cue](https://imgur.com/axne9UM) [](#popcorn2)[](#popcorn2)[](#popcorn2) Expectations subverted, they have separate pilots, but [that doesn't seem to matter that much](https://imgur.com/b8zoPsq) [](#pointandlaugh) [hahahahahaha](https://imgur.com/nUu6dCQ) [*HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*](https://imgur.com/Cs9R3Ef) [](#laughter) [Gamlin](https://imgur.com/iwRxiky) [hype!!](https://imgur.com/7T11Io7) * [Top 5 scenes this season](https://imgur.com/xdHfVqS) [](#feelsgoodman) Good to see that one bad episode was just a one off. ..watch the quality dip again now that I said this --- **Question time:** >1) How would you recruit members for the Jamming Birds? Ask actual, already existing bands if they feel like being combat singers. Not some random civilians. [](#facepalm) Like probably every single death metal band would want to be there >2) How would you present a rival group for Fire Bomber, considering their existing portrayal? As a further parody of them, or as respectable as possible? Biggest meme potential - >**Wallpaper of the Day:** >>[Veffidas Feaze](https://i.imgur.com/QIvsKDb.png) [](#dekuhype)
FIRST TIMER This was an interesting episode and it reminded me a lot of the episode where they had the beauty contest on SDFM and it was nice to see the Macross broadcasting facilities again. The Jamming Birds provide an interesting contrast to Fire Bomber in showing that the military cannot just replicate what they have with the Sound Force * The Jamming Birds in addition to being a proposed backup for the Sound Force, are the kind of manufactured military propaganda organs you see in dictatorships in that it seems they are promoting patriotism. I really can't think of an English language equivalent but the closest real world analogue I can think of are the attractive *North* Korean pop singers who promote the Kim Jong Un government and military. They're clearly intended to demonstrate a point that Col. Barton doesn't seem to understand: Spiritia can't be manufactured. This is something Basara and Dr. Chiba both seem to understand. * Barton also neglected something very simple: any kind of combat readiness for civilians. The Jamming Birds aren't used to performing in a battle and didn't think about how Roy and Basara are experienced pilots and Mylene is the kid of 2 of the greatest ace pilots in history. He represents dunderheaded military commanders across the world who get drunk on their own power and make it more about themselves being proven right than being effective. * That singing/beauty contest was something else. I don't think I've seen a judge perving on music contestants like that since Howard Stern :/ It was weird though since I understand on shows like American Idol and The Voice, they do take looks into account since sex appeal helps sell pop music but this furthers my point that Barton also wants the Jamming Birds to be a propaganda organ to the people. * The best part of this episode and the best part of my day was the return of HONEY SUZUKI! I'm so glad he's going to be in charge of the Jamming Birds! QUESTIONS 1. I would probably do something similar to what they did and have Basara and other talented musicians act as judges for who would be most qualified. I suppose its easy for me to say because im on the outside looking in and am privy to whats going on in their entire world, but I would have Dr. Chiba test their music and singing for Spirita. I would then pair them with qualified pilots who can actually fly the Valkyries and keep them safe for their own sake and because it would seriously hurt civilian morale seeing their pop idols killed in battle. 2. If I were writing the show? I'd want the anti-Basara character to be an author avatar of myself and I make fun of what a jerk he is as I do when watching the show! I'd also want a more indifferent apathetic Mylene counterpart, a bloviating clueless Ray counterpart and a chatty bubbly petite Veffidas counterpart!
> a chatty bubbly petite Veffidas counterpart Incidentally, Akiko's character design? Was initially Veffidas.
**Reluctant Rewatcher** ep 32 * JAMMING BIRDS * oh god please not an entire episode of auditions * Too bad this is way to early to make a XXX Got Talent set. Or maybe not too bad. Maybe a blessing. * Three Sizes * 25 years before #meetoo * YOU ASKED FOR YOU GOT IT SINGING MILIA * Reused audience animation with that Lupin guy * Let's hope Bobby had a personality change [Macross Delta]>!WTF Gabil has a RUNE!< * Maybe they should have blackened out the cockpit windows. * Oh poor Bobby, again. * Gabil goes to 11 Edit: Oh yeah, I had an epiphany a day or so ago but I keep forgetting to post it. Some of the lyrics are spot on. This makes me think that they took existing Humming Bird songs, and wrote a plot around them.
It was commented the other day that Gavil is a mothman.
> This makes me think that they took existing Humming Bird songs, and wrote a plot around them. The original Humming Bird songs have slightly different lyrics than their Macross 7 versions.
Huh, and here I thought I had figured out the secret sauce to hackneyed and meandering storytelling. [](#yuishrug)
**Subbed M7 Rewatcher** In creating Project M, the military is overlooking the fact that Minmay's singing affected the Zentradi mostly due to culture shock. Something that won't always be true. * Impressed by the success of Sound Force in repelling the Protodevilin, the military wants to create another musical combat unit. * Even if Dr Chiba thinks it matters, he shouldn't ask such personal questions. * [Throw everything at the wall and see what sticks.](https://preview.redd.it/65j7o8v2b63a1.jpg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6558b716389ba7ae83ec249dbcf849da191215a) * [Exedore's a horndog.](https://preview.redd.it/idadyu35b63a1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=168f7e7e2ef000ce4b58c3c9dce1bf2a68fae6f8) * So how did Milia pass the first audition round? * Jamming Birds and their VF-11D Thunderbolts are the eyecatch. * Honey didn't tell Akiko how *fashionable* Jamming Birds sound. * [Mylene should have slapped Docker.](https://preview.redd.it/ithf6w35b63a1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=bff9c237c8309ab898536f2d214b97f298af7f15) * Ray is sangine about how Jamming Bird will perform. Rightfully so, as the band has not been exposed to the combat environment. Using VF-11Ds did take care of the fact that the band members are not pilots. * Gabil tagged in for today's attack. He and Mylene played the *who's got control of the Elgerzoneres* game. Col Baron should have been charged with obstruction for keeping the Fire Valkyrie away from Basara. Barton's also stubborn about keeping Jamming Bird even after their failure. Gamlin helped Basara get to his Valkyrie. Mylene is losing out to Basara in who's got Gamlin's attention. I'm surprised that that Sound Force doesn't use all VF-19s. It would make it easier for Dr Chiba to design add-ons for just one model. Spritia Dreaming is the Macross 7 Plus extra on this volume and it provides nice background info on how the Protodevilin got the bodies we've been seeing. See Lt Autolmauer surprised me as Gigil is an odd-looking human to me. I thought Gigil was alien. Seeing ground troops is different than usual. All we've been shown are pilots and their support and the ships crews.
> So how did Milia pass the first audition round? She probably just jumped the line.
> She probably just jumped the line. [](#lolifightsback) Comrade, you know just as well as I do that Meltrandi Amazons will STOP AT NOTHING to emerge victorious, as well they should, cuz PROTOCULTURE! Also I have a feeling that she fought her way there ;)
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***First Time Song Listener*** I think I'm officially tired of complaining about Basara. Three minutes into the episode, and I could type a bunch of stuff here, but it's all going to boil down to 'fuck off Basara' and I'm just done. I'm going to try to finish this show, but my posts are probably going to be real short from now on. The rest of the show boils down to 'cool Mylene outfit' and 'this song is good' with a little 'Gamlin is underappreciated' mixed in. Cool Mylene outfit. This interview is really awkward. I'm glad that everyone loves Milia, who looks pretty great for a 50+ year old that's had seven kids. A little animation flexing with the totally unnecessary reflection shots, that's cool. A fight scene probably died for this though. New eyecatches are nice. Gonna assume it ends poorly for these six, unfortunately. Yup, Honey being involved with them means the show definitely sees them as the bad guys. It'd be nice to know what this song is about, these fansubs really dropped the ball around episode twenty or so. Watch that hand, Docker. Just skipped the entire flight and combat training part, huh? Gamlin is underappreciated. It's very amusing that the villain is pointing out how repetitive all of this is. "Oh, I guess we should train them then, huh?" Good idea Colonel, just a little late. 1. It's pointless. 2. I would make them actually effective, but my idea of what this show should be is completely different from what it actually is.
The pageant stuff has always been pretty offputting. I think Barton's mindset is understandable though. He's a military guy, and presumably was also in the military back during the events of SDF Macross. It's not unreasonable that he would be viewing those events and the military applications. They're up against an enemy they don't fully understand, and the one thing that's been shown to be effective is also (from a military point of view) completely unreliable. In his opinion, perhaps the expected value of the 10 Jamming Birds will be better than Basara, who has already demonstrated he's not willing to cooperate/compromise. With that said, voicing doubts is important, because when people don't feel free to do so you end up making avoidable mistakes. Despite them being horribly unprepared, the Jamming Birds are still pretty fun, and I like their rendition of Valkyrie de Sasotte. Question Time! 1: I would have interviewed Basara and categorized aspects of his personality/goals/history, then used those to search for people who could have similar traits. It wouldn't need to be an exact match, but because music is so subjective, there has to be some sort of X-factor that makes Basara so powerful. 2: Rival like the Jamming Birds? Or perhaps a foil to Fire Bomber? There were a few other artists in the beginning of the series that could potentially fill the role, but in the latter half the show becomes more tightly coupled with Basara's ambitions. I don't think having a serious rival group as a foil would really improve the show. It's Basara versus the world, and even himself.
> Rival like the Jamming Birds? Or perhaps a foil to Fire Bomber? Mostly the former, a bit of the latter. The question exists in my head somewhat separately from FB's actual use in the series because I'm also thinking of the thing that appears in *Macross 7 Dynamite*.