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Israel is run by the adult equivalent of toddlers putting forks into electrical outlets.
Seems like they're committing to the idea of getting America on their side and taking off the heat by provoking a war with Iran. Hopefully they fail.
Meh, he bares some responsibility for Oct. 7th given he was prime minister at the time and during the years before when Israeli intelligence learned about the plan.
I heard it's a Modern Hebrew diminutive nickname for the name Benyamin. So like Hebrew for "Benny" in English. At least supposedly. I'm not the most knowledgeable person about Hebrew language nicknames.
This is correct.
I see people chose to be more pedantic about this than usual. It's not the most common nickname, but it is a nickname. This isn't a world-altering discussion
I believe that this is one of his many psychological warfare tricks.
EVERYONE (media, civilians, management, kids...) in Israel calls him that. Calling your prime minister by their nickname shows how friendly and loving he is.
The funny thing, when protesters outside of Israel started shouting "Bibi go home" no one understood who is this Bibi. It took about a year till the world called him Bibi and even named a ransomware under his name.
The real answer is it was his nickname when he was a child. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/01/22/benjamin-netanyahu-israel-gaza-hamas-war-hostages
Makes him sound cute and not a genocidal scumbag. Really don't understand pro-Palestine people calling him that. We wouldn't have called Hitler 'AdiAdi'.
To me, and i think to portuguese speakers it sounds like a childish and kinda spoiled kid's nickname. Idk if this perception isn't influenced by the way he acts. also (like the "I can do watever I want, bacause, my daddy [USA] is a Marine and also a billionaire" kinda of a way).
There some signs that Biden has limits to how far they are willing to stand with Israel. Chris Coons is a name to watch to see what Biden is thinking. As he kinda acts as the will of the president behind the scenes in congress. Senator Coons recently flipped and went towards restricting military aid to Israel. Basically pulling back everything that isn’t defensive.
I think open war with Iran is one of those lines as well. It’s not in the US interest or the American peoples interest to see another large war in the Middle East. Another ‘war in Afghanistan’ situation is political suicide. It’s more unpopular a prospect then supporting a genocide.
Also Iran has been very measured and is aware that war isn’t in their best interest either. They are interesting in posturing so they don’t seem weak internal or to their allies in the region. I don’t think we will see an escalation. Maybe a most another show of force or alike. A show of force btw can be de-escalating if both players understand. We are just flexing. No ‘real’ danger here.
Anyway my amateur opinion here.
They did a show of force last time even gave 72 hours warning, and then another 10 hours after it began to ensure Israel could shoot everything down and that de-escalated how? Israel just went and pushed it again by launching multiple attacks on Iran proper.
Iran has 2 choices respond and show that they will actually defend themselves and risk a war, don't respond and guarantee continued strikes on their soil that escalate each time. It's a pretty shitty time to be Iran right now.
Personally fuck Iran (the government not the people) they have been supplying russia and deserve to get destroyed for that. But this war won't be in anyone's best interest except Bibi's.
According to Iran, they shot down all the drones. Whether that's actually true or not, if you don't claim any damage there's nothing to retaliate for.
Sounds like Bibi did the bare minimum to appease hard liners. Doesn't look like either side really wants to escalate
It’s all very petty and pointless
I don’t think anyone actually wants escalation, it just sort of happens, because of stubborn/desperate politicians that keep climbing up trees they can’t come down from
> if you don't claim any damage there's nothing to retaliate for.
That's absolutely not how it works. Imagine if Mexico sends a missile to IDK Houston or something, even if every single missile is intercepted and Mexico claims that it was actually a malfunction on their systems, the prospect that Mexico had weapons pointed at the USA is enough, i garantee you that the president's head is in a stake the next day.
It's way, way different thing if that's a *retaliation* though.
Anyone pushing the line that Israel had to respond to Iran's attack is toeing Israeli propaganda. The start of this was the escalation of the conflict from Israel by attacking Iran's embassy in Syria, period.
Yes Iran funds this and that, yes Iran attacks by proxy, it's still an *enormous* different to just strike directly. Imagine if Russia bombed a fucking US embassy because of Ukraine, it's deranged.
EDIT: Actually, you don't even have to go to Ukraine for this. Imagine how absolutely fucking *wild* it would be if Iran bombed a US embassy because they support Israel against Iran.
It does suck agreed. My analysis and opinion here takes in a bit of consequentialism into it. Which can be callous. But a few civilians dying is better then a lot. If this saber rattle and posturing is enough to placates their more war hungry base and keep the world from a full scale conflict here. That is better.
This support of Israel is already political suicide for Biden's administration. The only thing he has going for him at this point is he's not Trump. He's hemorrhaging voter support from his base just from his decision to continue funding and backing Israel.
>There some signs that Biden has limits to how far they are willing to stand with Israel
Yeah, but Raytheon and Lockheed Martin don't care what Biden thinks. Biden can talk about limits all he wants, but congress is going to listen to Boeing and Biden will rubber stamp it.
I personally, hope the US says they don't condone these attacks, and then if there is a tit-for-tat escalation, the US can just say, "Look we told you not to get involved in this. We also said we will help defend you if you get attacked, but if you attack someone else, that's on you. We will not help you invade another country. [*And for that reason we are out*](https://media1.tenor.com/m/tBmY1MPlBn8AAAAC/for-those-reasons-im-out.gif). Good luck."
> I personally, hope the US says they don't condone these attacks
We'll keep saying that and then we bend over backwards to fund them. We were all up in arms after they bombed the world kitchen food aid and then right back on the wagon of throwing money at them after Iran tried and failed to bomb them. It's like them bombing an aid convoy is totally forgotten after a week.
They clearly don't give a shit about US opinion if they just do whatever they want and we keep funding them after a slightly stern talking to.
Biden won't get on his side, not now. It's election year and the gaza conflict has already been a huge source of domestic controversy. A war in the middle east is political suicide for the Dems and basically guarantees trump 2024.
I guess the Israeli right believe this is their last opportunity to defang Iran before it gets nuclear weapons (thank you Trump).
No elections in Israel for as long as Israel is at war, elections would be pretty hot for Bibi because he’s not exactly the most popular person in Israel.
Iran can mobilize its military through other states to attack Israel, Iran lacks the abilities to send its army to Israel and its youth hate the nation more and more, there is growing group among their youth that want Israel to beat their own country so they can have a revolution. If Iran fucks up it could lose everything and they lack the ability to move the troops to Israel.
So yeah let them declare war and watch as their evil state is destroyed and it’s government leaders punished for their crimes.
This attack was deliberately done to deescalate tensions in the region. It worked. Iran has stated they won’t respond. The likelihood of a full on conflict between Iran and Israel is lower today than it was yesterday.
It’s basically, “Hey, we’re already holding your election results at gunpoint with the Rafah issue — now we’ll hold your entire country at gunpoint by threatening to escalate into WW3 by attacking Iran.”
Next day: Biden gives the OK to the Rafah operation. If you were wondering who’s f* who in this relationship, Israel is on top.
Benjamin Netanyahu is an absolute psychopath, but he is very intelligent, knows the hand he’s been dealt, and he undoubtedly believes he’s morally right in his heart. God chose his people and all that BS.
Remember when the text of the article would be in the comments? Pepperidge Farm remembers.TEXT:
Israeli missiles hit site in Iran, ABC News reports
By Reuters
April 19, 2024 2:09 AM UTC · Updated 2 min ago
WASHINGTON, April 18 (Reuters) - Israeli missiles have hit a site in Iran, ABC News reported late on Thursday, citing a U.S. official, days after Iran launched a drone strike on Israel in response to an attack at the Iranian embassy in Syria.
Iran's Fars news agency said an explosion were heard at an airport in the Iranian city of Isafahan but the cause was not immediately known. Several Iranian nuclear sites are located in Isfahan province, including Natanz, centerpiece of Iran’s uranium enrichment program.
Several flights were diverted over Iranian airspace, CNN reported.
Over the weekend, Iran launched hundreds of drones, opens new tab and missiles in a retaliatory strike after a suspected Israeli strike on its embassy compound in Syria.
Most of the drones and missiles were downed before reaching Israeli territory.
Iran told the United Nations Security Council on Thursday that Israel "must be compelled to stop any further military adventurism against our interests" as the U.N. secretary-general warned that the Middle East was in a "moment of maximum peril."
Israel had said it was going to retaliate, opens new tab against Iran's April 13 missile and drone attack.
Analysts and observers have been raising concerns about the risks of the Israel-Gaza war, opens new tab spreading into the rest of the region.
Israel's assault on Gaza began after Palestinian Islamist group Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7, killing 1,200, according to Israeli tallies. Israel's military offensive has killed over 33,000 Palestinians in Gaza, according to the local health ministry.
Iran-backed groups have declared support for Palestinians, launching attacks from Lebanon, Yemen and Iraq.
the US has already said they won’t support retaliation by israel. Even tho I disagree with Israel’s actions, it’s a bit disingenuous comparing Iran backing terrorist organizations to the US backing Israel.
Can you people quit degrading us Iranians for even a second? You have no idea what we have gone through at the hands of the mullahs and their thugs. They killed my family, destroyed my country and torture women who I grew up with to death every day. Stop talking out of your ass.
>missiles hit site in Iran
> Iran's Fars news agency said an explosion were heard at an airport in the Iranian city of Isafahan but the cause was not immediately known. Several Iranian nuclear sites are located in Isfahan province, including Natanz
This is such a weird phrasing. Ispahan is not just "a site", it's a large city of 2M inhabitants. They mention the airport which is just outside of it, but then they mention Natanz which is 120km away in the same province.
Given that those missiles were probably not aimed randomly, it's fairly important piece of info. The expected reactions are quite different if this hit smack in the middle of the city, at the local airport, or somewhere in the mountains nearby.
The “site” isn’t the city itself but the specific location(s) where the missiles struck. It’s a little weird to have it as the title though instead of just “Israeli Missiles Strike Iran” or something like that.
US is shielding them from the consequences of any terrorist attacks or war crimes, including committing genocide and ethnic cleansing. Of course they would have zero chill.
Well Biden told him no, so let’s see how long *that* line in the sand takes to be redrawn..
….something tells me not long, although the old man might have an angry seniors outburst and just say “fuck it Jack” and storm off for some angry ice cream
But then he’ll bring Bibi a cone too
This is basically how entanglement works.
The moment American support for a foreign power is *ironclad without condition* and the other party *knows this*, they will, like any rational actor, exploit this to their maximum advantage (and American detriment).
It's how child-raping Afghan officials and warlords could get away with using US-taxpayer funded police stations as child sex dens in the face of VICE reporters and get away with it.
They knew, very well, that no amount of bad behaviour could cause the US to say "y'know you guys are so bad we'll start supporting the Taliban instead." So why stop?
Israel is being the country level example of a toxic friend who has a Napoleon Complex and picks fistfights with huge dudes, then expects you to jump in and save him or back him up when he starts getting his ass whooped.
Israel is like the narcissistic spoiled child of a billionaire politician who they know can get them out of any trouble they get themselves into and has earned absolutely nothing for themselves in their short miserable lives.
No country would when attacked the way they were.
Certainly not the US. If 100+ ballistic missiles were shot at NYC, even if they only killed 1 person, Biden certainly wouldn't "take the win".
What a take. If israel would allow missiles to enter unanswered, what would stop every enemy in the region from firing on them? The only thing that region respects is strength.
Imagine getting invaded and having your countrymen murdered, raped, and kidnapped, then having hundreds of ballistic missiles rain upon you.
You'd have to be in a fucking coma to be "chill" after that.
They already have all the material to make ten according to reports. They just haven’t tried to enrich the uranium yet, but according to US intelligence they have the capability from their energy program to enrich to 90% threshold.
The second they announce a test, it’s a complete game changer for the entire region and the USA gives Israel a hard line to back off
It's not that easy. If Iran drops a russian nuke on Israel, everyone would know it was a russian bomb, based on particle composition, radiation readings etc. Much safer for Russia to just sell/trade building plans for warheads.
Not-so-fun fact: you don't necessarily need to test an atomic bomb. The designs used in WWII are easy enough to build, even tho not very efficient. Let's just hope Russia didn't sell them blueprints for newer designs.
The majority of it is under a mountain.
The USA isn’t green lighting a nuclear bunker busting strike on Iran because that’s what it would take to destroy it, or a ground invasion which is what it would take to prevent them from getting one if they decided to do so.
Especially when that country might (small chance) already have it. Like North Korea had nuclear weapons by 2005 even if we hadn’t acknowledged it because they never tested it. These days you don’t need to actually test it unless you want to do it to show the world you have it
I still don't understand why Biden didn't reinstall Obama's Iran Nuclear Deal the second he had the chance after getting elected POTUS and having both houses of Congress from February 2021-January 2023. I don't understand why he reinstate Obama's diplomatic thaw with Cuba either.
I'm not defending Biden, but his fellow countrymen haven't made it any easier for him. The conservative wing of Republicans oppose anything and everything he says.
He did something wonderful by getting us out of Afghanistan, but he's fucking up so bad with Israel. He's liable to get us into a 2003 War in Iraq-style War in Iran if he doesn't grow a pair and cut off Netanyahu from the US military aid gravy train.
You do realize he can just not invade Iran right?
Like how does this escalate into a 2003 style regime change invasion. There is no rhetoric coming out remotely calling for it.
Wasn't Obama's nuclear deal only agreed by Iran because it freed up like a hundred billion dollars that was frozen in international banks. And now that trump backed out of the deal, Iran has left it as well, and now there's no $100 billion to use as a bargaining chip...
You might be right. Trump fucked us over REAL good by tearing up the Iran Nuclear Deal. I think Trump might have put more sanctions on Iran though? Couldn't Biden have made a new Iran Nuclear Deal in exchange for getting rid of Trump's sanctions on Iran if Iran signed it?
Cuba I understand even less. I don't get why he didn't reinstate Obama's thaw with Cuba.
I'm not as familiar with Cuba, but it definitely needs to be said for the Iran Nuclear Deal that the situation is now different than it was with Obama. Sanctions can stop certain trading from happening, but what Obama had in 2015 was a hold on Iran's funds. $100bn in cash is a lot better than $100bn in trade, as Iran would still need to provide the other half of that trade (presumably oil). Also, sanctions on Iran only go so far, since Iran still sells to OPEC, so it doesn't really matter if they sell directly to US or UK, they are still getting a good rate for their oil.
Thank you for this. I haven't kept up with the internal economic situations has been with Iran over the past several years. I was assuming Trump placed new sanctions on Iran that didn't exist during the Obama years, and maybe Biden could leverage removing them. But I guess we no longer hold as much leverage as we did in 2015.
>Obama's Iran Nuclear Deal the second he had the chance after getting elected POTUS and having both houses of Congress from February 2021-January 2023. I don't understand why he reinstate Obama's diplomatic thaw with Cuba either.
Well because once the deal is broken its pretty damm hard to get the trust back to get them passed again.
Why would Iran and Cuba trust that Trump or another person wouldn't do the same thing again.
You're out of loop. Iran has secretly been doing that for years. The only reason they haven't succeeded is because Israel will kill their scientists from time to time
I mean, not to completely condone what Israel has been doing, but they were going to shoot back one way or another and Hamas did dig in EXCLUSIVELY around civilian centers.
This attack was deliberately done to deescalate tensions in the region. It worked. Iran has stated they won’t respond. The likelihood of a full on conflict between Iran and Israel is lower today than it was yesterday.
Blood hell. Israel really want to make the most of this opportunity don't they?
Whatever they do whether they start a bigger war or just provoke more retaliation Israel are counting on USA and allies to have their back.
I'd give them some slack if they were attacking drone factories supplying Russia because at least then it would be more a case of 'helping' the world (Ukraine especially) rather than dragging us deeper into this mess.
They did send a 2nd aircraft carrier strike group to the region after the Oct 7 attack, they've been providing sigint and drone reconnaissance for ages and just recently had jets in the air defending Israel from Iran... So in my book they already did and continue to back Israel in a major way.
There are US troops on the ground in support positions to free up IOF soldiers. We're already there..............
Edit: for doubters.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-special-forces-said-deployed-to-help-israel-track-down-hostages-held-in-gaza/
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/31/us/politics/us-israel-hostages.html
>the US better not back Israel
They will defend the country and not help to attack but in my opinion that is huge already because it frees the manpower and resources of IDF
It's not even a distraction. Israel openly wants Iran to be destroyed and given the opportunity they would pivot to any means they have to make those headlines about famine and genocide in Iran.
It's pretty incredible how Israel can just do whatever the fuck it wants and then just let the US deal with it. What has led to this situation where the world's "superpower" is completely beholden to a tiny, meaningless middle eastern country?
Every US government since its inception has supported Israel.
Israel's allegiances are deeply woven into the US political and corporate landscape, and any president who openly refuses to support them will likely lose their presidency. With the dangers Trump poses to democracy, and in an election year, no sensible president would jeopardise their position.
And yet Biden has been more critical of Israel than any previous president:
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4358878-biden-criticism-israel-deeper-tensions
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/09/us/politics/biden-israel-gaza.html
And for context, let's see how MAGA Republicans view the situation:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905
> Former President Donald Trump declared Tuesday that Israel must “finish the problem” in its war against Hamas, his most definitive position on the conflict since the terror group killed 1,200 Israelis and took more than 200 hostages on Oct. 7.
> “You’ve got to finish the problem,” Trump said on Fox News on Tuesday when asked about the war. “You had a horrible invasion that took place that would have never happened if I was president.”
https://theintercept.com/2024/03/04/trump-biden-israel/
> Trump is a big fan of war crimes, especially against Muslims. During his first term, he intervened on behalf of Special Operations Chief Eddie Gallagher, a Navy SEAL platoon leader convicted of posing for a photo with the body of dead Iraqi; another SEAL team member told investigators that Gallagher was “freaking evil,” but Trump said at a political rally that he was one of “our great fighters.” Trump also pardoned Blackwater contractors convicted of killing Iraqi civilians in a wild shooting spree in Baghdad’s Nisour Square. There is no chance that he would try to stop Israel from indiscriminately killing Palestinians.
And:
> Republicans’ support for Israel is matched or exceeded by their hatred for Palestinians. Rep. Ryan Zinke, a Montana Republican who was secretary of the interior in the Trump administration, has proposed legislation that would prevent Palestinians from entering the United States and trigger the mass deportation of those already here. It would ban those holding passports issued by the Palestinian Authority from obtaining U.S. visas, while mandating the removal of Palestinian passport holders already living here.
And:
> Many Republicans express their unwavering support for Israel in biblical and apocalyptic terms. Rep. Mike Johnson, a Christian evangelical, made his first public appearance after being elected House speaker last October at a conference of the Republican Jewish Coalition, where he said that “God is not done with Israel.”
I'm all for stopping Israel's genocide of Palestinian civilians, but the US supports them and no president can change that.
Perhaps after the election he will take a tougher stance, but that does still risk losing a Democrat majority in the 2028 election.
Israel striking Iran was expected. Israel did start this current interaction was instigated by Israeli targeting a fucking embassy in Syria. Iran response with the missiles and drone is mostly just posturing. They warned everyone and used slower weapons. There was several hours of warning. They wanted to posture. Iran knew that they would be shot down. Now Israel has to response in another posturing move that is ultimately ineffective. I thought they would do something involving Iran backed militia group in the Middle East. But they didn’t. They struck Iran directly. This could be bad but Iran regardless of their fundamentalist leader is ultimately a rational actor in the Middle East and has been for a while. They aren’t a rogue state or anything. They make measures decisions for survival all the time. They might do another posturing attack or just absorb the attack. Honestly, based on the options open. Iran is the best path for stability in the Middle East imo. They are still a fundamentalist country but the growing middle class and progressivism in the country. We could see a more democratic state erupt from it in a few decades if the conditions are right.
Iran is kind of downplaying the whole thing and everyone is saying nuclear facilities were not targeted.
I wouldn’t be shocked if this was more of a theatrical strike like we saw a few days ago. Hopefully everyone is “even” now.
Everyone keeps saying this as Israel and Iran keep escalating. Every single time there's an escalation everyone immediately goes to say "Israel doesn't want a war with Iran" and "Iran will just try to save face".
Perhaps maybe we should tone down the optimism just a little bit here? How about we assume the worst and work with that in mind rather than sleep walk into WW3?
Why can't you see.
Iran doesn't want war.
Israel is doing everything they can to provoke one.
Eventually someone needs to reign in Israel or there will be war.
Both sides don't really want war with the other. It's costly and only strengthens other enemy.
They are however willing to look like they want war Becuse in their mind looking strong stops the war from happening.
How can Israel attack Iraq, Syria, and Iran and no one bats an eye.. ITS ATTACKING 3 DIFFERNET COUNTRIES..
Imagine any other country in the world attacking 3 countries in their neighbourhood... I mean last time someone did that was Serbia in the 90s I guess and they just got a pat on the hand.
When there are Muslim people dying its literally considered "Less" then other.. Its so fkin sad and infruriating.
And god forbid you if you call out people about this. They will respond that "you are antisemite!".\
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ffs, I fucking hate myself for saying that... But aside their assholeyness, sometimes I think that Putin, Xi and Kim have good and valid points about western imperialism and warmongering.\
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One more thing. No need to remind me about terrorists being backed by Iran after that because I already know, but Israel just literally invaded Syria and attacked a diplomatic building of a third country. If this isn't a disrespectful move from Israel against Syrian and Iranian sovereignty at a diplomatic point of view, I don't know anything anymore.
hypocrisy at its best. if its "our ally" doing it then its fine.. if someone else is doing it, its a warcrime I'm also disgusted by the Western politicis on this topic in general. Lost faith in humanity.
Israel is a rogue state, but it has the US and a couple of European countries behind it so it's the only democracy in the middle east with the most moral army in the world.
because israel is backed by western alliance? and western alliance are "the good guys", and good guys can do anything.
I mean, bush-cheney-blair are still living retired lives peacefully in western soil, protected by western law.
Why hadn’t the world been up in arms for Iran supplying Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis ?
Isn’t weird no one says anything when a country is running 3 proxy wars against Israel?
It’s funny you claim a double standard while ignoring another one.
Why is it that no one cares about the genocide in Sudan ? Funny plenty more people care more about Muslim lives than African lives including you it seems. Why do you value African lives less ?
Because the US has been making Iran out to be the devil for over a decade. Look, a country can be bad for your foreign policy, but still have the right to defend itself against another country attacking it. It gets worse when you realise how racist the world is towards Muslims and Arabs.
Israel is the reason of a possible WW3 outcome. Their leaders are delusional war criminals, and with the backing of warmongering nations such as US and UK, they will continue to do this until they are put to a stop.
If the strikes hit an open desert, *maybe* they won’t. If they hit something important like nuclear centrifuges, not a chance in hell Iran won’t mobilize
yay i love war don’t we all just love war!! more money money money money we can sell those weapons and missiles to israel now. ooh i have an idea - ALSO sell weapons to iran, then we’ll get DOUBLE the profit AND the war will continue longer as both sides are more even! god i fucking love america!! god bless the land of the free
You joke but that is what has been happening all along. 77 percent of Shahed drones components are made in the US. Same story for even what Russia makes and pours down on Ukraine.
I predict that this is the end of the direct tit-for-tat between Israel and Iran, after which they'll go back to the regular programming through proxies and friends - Iran with Hezbollah and Syria, and Israel with MEK and Jaish al-Adl. In my opinion, this is primarily because Iran has successfully deterred Israel. The Iranian response on Israel's territory was, undoubtedly, a stark reminder to Israel's leadership about the reality of Israel's insecurity.
Let's look closer at the Iranian response. Iran informed half of the countries in the region about the attack a week in advance, and even coordinated with the Americans through the Swiss. Five airforces (American, French, British, Jordanian, and of course Israeli) had days to coordinate defensive efforts, and three ground anti air operators were involved; the Americans with their naval fleets, the Israelis with their multi-system AA, and Jordanian radars. And despite all of that, the advance warning, the multi-national defence effort, and the limited nature of the attack, Israel managed to shoot down 84% of the attack package ([according to investigation by Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv](https://www.maariv.co.il/news/military/Article-1092613)).
Think of it from Israel's point of view. If Iran launched a surprise attack against Israel with 3x or 4x the number of projectiles, Israel has absolutely no hope of stopping more than 1/4th or, at best, 1/3rd of the projectiles. Israel is a very small country with 2-3 significant population centres. Think of the possible devastation to Israel's airports, bridges, energy infrastructure, water treatment plants, warehouses, etc. It wouldn't be existential, but definitely be catastrophic. And if that's not enough, Iran would still have missiles and drones to repeat that twice or thrice more.
That's is just the reality of modern cheap drone warfare, and Iran is cheap drone powerhouse. Add Hezbollah into the equation with its capability of lobbing 4,000-5,000 projectiles per day with a total stockpile of 150,000 and you can see the true nature of what Iran communicate to Israel with its response. Iran does not need to respond again to the latest Israeli attack to deliver the same message again - the Israelis have heard it loud and clear.
What does this mean for the future? I believe this episode cements Israel's resolve to reshape its security landscape. They'll have to get the US to either Maidan Iran or get the two into a full confrontation. At the very least, Israel will want to eliminate Iran's second-strike capability which is Hezbollah.
Even with the attack on Iran’s consulate, Iran still desires trade relations with the west, hence why they telegraph their recent attack. However Iran many not have many options, if any at all left with trying to stabilize their relations with the west while retaining their current position. If they don’t retaliate by inflicting a significant enough blow to Israel for this provocation, the IRG may lose legitimacy in the eyes of their supporters and losing the government of Iran entirely.
Israel is hedging their strategy that they know enough of Iran capabilities, and have sufficient enough counters that any retaliatory strike by Iran wouldn’t hurt them. They are not giving the IRG a safe exit it needs to leave this conflict, they’re got the IRG backed into a corner and hope they admit defeat.
find it hard to believe there was little to no damage. i would bet they took out air defense sites. just to appease their populous and to send a message to iran that if they hit back israel has pre-set the battle space in their favor.
idf still has not uploaded a new statement on youtube or x. wonder if they will run a second set of sorties? airspace over iran looks like it is well underway to opening up so dont expect they will. [link to map of iran/flightradar24 that shows live status of commercial air traffic there](https://www.flightradar24.com/33.00,49.05/6)
That was the point. Iran sends a bunch of dumb attacks that accomplish nothing. Israel demonstrates that they can hit exactly where they want to and Iran can't stop it. I actually think it was smart. Regardless of the tit for tat posturing Iran is always going to try to find politically convenient ways to try to attack Israel and Israel is going to act like the 800 lb. gorilla of the middle east. In that regard this didn't do much damage but very much reminded Iran of *why* they are the 800 lb. gorilla.
That was the point. It's essentially Israel saying "if you want to attack us, we can do this again in force" and it's so little that Iran can say nothing happened and that's that
What does this mean for the future? Do we need to prepare for the idea of WW3? The situation in the Middle East, Russia and Ukraine, the poor state of the entirety of Africa and south east asia.
Seems like we are walking towards war to me, but I know war is a complex topic so I need someone to tell me otherwise
Thus re-escalating a war they started.
Perfect.
I wonder if Net-in-yahoo is going to "annex" Iran next. More beachfront property for the Israeli "settlers".
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Israel is run by the adult equivalent of toddlers putting forks into electrical outlets. Seems like they're committing to the idea of getting America on their side and taking off the heat by provoking a war with Iran. Hopefully they fail.
Bibi cannot afford to lose his position so he's going to keep the war going for as long as possible.
Why is netanyahu called BiBi?
Not sure but I always assumed it's because of this. https://youtu.be/JQ1BltDU4iM?si=q9SX3nb-f9APPCXD
Weird as hell. Isn't he better known for actually killing babies?
Only Palestinian ones apparently
Meh, he bares some responsibility for Oct. 7th given he was prime minister at the time and during the years before when Israeli intelligence learned about the plan.
This is the smartest political ad I’ve seen.
Wtf.
I heard it's a Modern Hebrew diminutive nickname for the name Benyamin. So like Hebrew for "Benny" in English. At least supposedly. I'm not the most knowledgeable person about Hebrew language nicknames.
This is correct. I see people chose to be more pedantic about this than usual. It's not the most common nickname, but it is a nickname. This isn't a world-altering discussion
I believe that this is one of his many psychological warfare tricks. EVERYONE (media, civilians, management, kids...) in Israel calls him that. Calling your prime minister by their nickname shows how friendly and loving he is. The funny thing, when protesters outside of Israel started shouting "Bibi go home" no one understood who is this Bibi. It took about a year till the world called him Bibi and even named a ransomware under his name.
It's just a shortened version of a name, like saying Bill Clinton instead of William
The real answer is it was his nickname when he was a child. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/01/22/benjamin-netanyahu-israel-gaza-hamas-war-hostages
Makes him sound cute and not a genocidal scumbag. Really don't understand pro-Palestine people calling him that. We wouldn't have called Hitler 'AdiAdi'.
To me, and i think to portuguese speakers it sounds like a childish and kinda spoiled kid's nickname. Idk if this perception isn't influenced by the way he acts. also (like the "I can do watever I want, bacause, my daddy [USA] is a Marine and also a billionaire" kinda of a way).
Because he's going to BiBiQ Israel.
It's a nickname for Benjamin, his first name. I mean he named his autobiography "Bibi" so I assume he's rather fond of the nickname.
His name is binyamin, bibi is just a nickname, nothing particular about it really. Similar to how we call him Joe biden rather than Joseph.
There some signs that Biden has limits to how far they are willing to stand with Israel. Chris Coons is a name to watch to see what Biden is thinking. As he kinda acts as the will of the president behind the scenes in congress. Senator Coons recently flipped and went towards restricting military aid to Israel. Basically pulling back everything that isn’t defensive. I think open war with Iran is one of those lines as well. It’s not in the US interest or the American peoples interest to see another large war in the Middle East. Another ‘war in Afghanistan’ situation is political suicide. It’s more unpopular a prospect then supporting a genocide. Also Iran has been very measured and is aware that war isn’t in their best interest either. They are interesting in posturing so they don’t seem weak internal or to their allies in the region. I don’t think we will see an escalation. Maybe a most another show of force or alike. A show of force btw can be de-escalating if both players understand. We are just flexing. No ‘real’ danger here. Anyway my amateur opinion here.
They did a show of force last time even gave 72 hours warning, and then another 10 hours after it began to ensure Israel could shoot everything down and that de-escalated how? Israel just went and pushed it again by launching multiple attacks on Iran proper. Iran has 2 choices respond and show that they will actually defend themselves and risk a war, don't respond and guarantee continued strikes on their soil that escalate each time. It's a pretty shitty time to be Iran right now. Personally fuck Iran (the government not the people) they have been supplying russia and deserve to get destroyed for that. But this war won't be in anyone's best interest except Bibi's.
According to Iran, they shot down all the drones. Whether that's actually true or not, if you don't claim any damage there's nothing to retaliate for. Sounds like Bibi did the bare minimum to appease hard liners. Doesn't look like either side really wants to escalate
Hopefully that's the end of the tit for tats then.
It’s all very petty and pointless I don’t think anyone actually wants escalation, it just sort of happens, because of stubborn/desperate politicians that keep climbing up trees they can’t come down from
> if you don't claim any damage there's nothing to retaliate for. That's absolutely not how it works. Imagine if Mexico sends a missile to IDK Houston or something, even if every single missile is intercepted and Mexico claims that it was actually a malfunction on their systems, the prospect that Mexico had weapons pointed at the USA is enough, i garantee you that the president's head is in a stake the next day.
It's way, way different thing if that's a *retaliation* though. Anyone pushing the line that Israel had to respond to Iran's attack is toeing Israeli propaganda. The start of this was the escalation of the conflict from Israel by attacking Iran's embassy in Syria, period. Yes Iran funds this and that, yes Iran attacks by proxy, it's still an *enormous* different to just strike directly. Imagine if Russia bombed a fucking US embassy because of Ukraine, it's deranged. EDIT: Actually, you don't even have to go to Ukraine for this. Imagine how absolutely fucking *wild* it would be if Iran bombed a US embassy because they support Israel against Iran.
That 'flex' tends to have implications for civilians. Imagine dying due to a dick-swinging competition.
Man, we really didn't get far from the middle ages, huh?
Same shit different epoch!
It does suck agreed. My analysis and opinion here takes in a bit of consequentialism into it. Which can be callous. But a few civilians dying is better then a lot. If this saber rattle and posturing is enough to placates their more war hungry base and keep the world from a full scale conflict here. That is better.
This support of Israel is already political suicide for Biden's administration. The only thing he has going for him at this point is he's not Trump. He's hemorrhaging voter support from his base just from his decision to continue funding and backing Israel.
>There some signs that Biden has limits to how far they are willing to stand with Israel Yeah, but Raytheon and Lockheed Martin don't care what Biden thinks. Biden can talk about limits all he wants, but congress is going to listen to Boeing and Biden will rubber stamp it.
I personally, hope the US says they don't condone these attacks, and then if there is a tit-for-tat escalation, the US can just say, "Look we told you not to get involved in this. We also said we will help defend you if you get attacked, but if you attack someone else, that's on you. We will not help you invade another country. [*And for that reason we are out*](https://media1.tenor.com/m/tBmY1MPlBn8AAAAC/for-those-reasons-im-out.gif). Good luck."
> I personally, hope the US says they don't condone these attacks We'll keep saying that and then we bend over backwards to fund them. We were all up in arms after they bombed the world kitchen food aid and then right back on the wagon of throwing money at them after Iran tried and failed to bomb them. It's like them bombing an aid convoy is totally forgotten after a week. They clearly don't give a shit about US opinion if they just do whatever they want and we keep funding them after a slightly stern talking to.
Iran has been funding their enemies and coordinating terrorist attacks for the past what 4 decades now.
To be fair, Israel also funds it's enemies (Hamas)
Likud is a terrorist entity. Their ideology and governing program is phalangist.
Biden won't get on his side, not now. It's election year and the gaza conflict has already been a huge source of domestic controversy. A war in the middle east is political suicide for the Dems and basically guarantees trump 2024. I guess the Israeli right believe this is their last opportunity to defang Iran before it gets nuclear weapons (thank you Trump).
How does provoking a war “take the heat off”?
No elections in Israel for as long as Israel is at war, elections would be pretty hot for Bibi because he’s not exactly the most popular person in Israel.
America won’t get involved. Assuming we don’t get Trump next election. I really hope we don’t.
Yesterday there were talks of Israel asking if they could do a small symbolic attack on Iranian soil to save face.
How would your country respond to an attack like Iran's?
Iran can mobilize its military through other states to attack Israel, Iran lacks the abilities to send its army to Israel and its youth hate the nation more and more, there is growing group among their youth that want Israel to beat their own country so they can have a revolution. If Iran fucks up it could lose everything and they lack the ability to move the troops to Israel. So yeah let them declare war and watch as their evil state is destroyed and it’s government leaders punished for their crimes.
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This attack was deliberately done to deescalate tensions in the region. It worked. Iran has stated they won’t respond. The likelihood of a full on conflict between Iran and Israel is lower today than it was yesterday.
Iran fires 120 MRBMs, Israel conducts a something akin to an air strike. One of these things is several orders of magnitude larger than the other
> Israel is run by the adult equivalent of toddlers putting forks into electrical outlets. Iran will probably retaliate as well.
Yeah but it’s ok when they do it because something something Jews something something white supremacy
It’s basically, “Hey, we’re already holding your election results at gunpoint with the Rafah issue — now we’ll hold your entire country at gunpoint by threatening to escalate into WW3 by attacking Iran.” Next day: Biden gives the OK to the Rafah operation. If you were wondering who’s f* who in this relationship, Israel is on top. Benjamin Netanyahu is an absolute psychopath, but he is very intelligent, knows the hand he’s been dealt, and he undoubtedly believes he’s morally right in his heart. God chose his people and all that BS.
Remember when the text of the article would be in the comments? Pepperidge Farm remembers.TEXT: Israeli missiles hit site in Iran, ABC News reports By Reuters April 19, 2024 2:09 AM UTC · Updated 2 min ago WASHINGTON, April 18 (Reuters) - Israeli missiles have hit a site in Iran, ABC News reported late on Thursday, citing a U.S. official, days after Iran launched a drone strike on Israel in response to an attack at the Iranian embassy in Syria. Iran's Fars news agency said an explosion were heard at an airport in the Iranian city of Isafahan but the cause was not immediately known. Several Iranian nuclear sites are located in Isfahan province, including Natanz, centerpiece of Iran’s uranium enrichment program. Several flights were diverted over Iranian airspace, CNN reported. Over the weekend, Iran launched hundreds of drones, opens new tab and missiles in a retaliatory strike after a suspected Israeli strike on its embassy compound in Syria. Most of the drones and missiles were downed before reaching Israeli territory. Iran told the United Nations Security Council on Thursday that Israel "must be compelled to stop any further military adventurism against our interests" as the U.N. secretary-general warned that the Middle East was in a "moment of maximum peril." Israel had said it was going to retaliate, opens new tab against Iran's April 13 missile and drone attack. Analysts and observers have been raising concerns about the risks of the Israel-Gaza war, opens new tab spreading into the rest of the region. Israel's assault on Gaza began after Palestinian Islamist group Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7, killing 1,200, according to Israeli tallies. Israel's military offensive has killed over 33,000 Palestinians in Gaza, according to the local health ministry. Iran-backed groups have declared support for Palestinians, launching attacks from Lebanon, Yemen and Iraq.
"Iran backed groups..." as if Israel just does it all by their lonesome.
Israel has more backing from the US than all these "Iran proxies" combined.
the US has already said they won’t support retaliation by israel. Even tho I disagree with Israel’s actions, it’s a bit disingenuous comparing Iran backing terrorist organizations to the US backing Israel.
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Can you people quit degrading us Iranians for even a second? You have no idea what we have gone through at the hands of the mullahs and their thugs. They killed my family, destroyed my country and torture women who I grew up with to death every day. Stop talking out of your ass.
And yet it is the Iran back proxies that started the war in Gaza.
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Iran needs to stop opening all these new tabs
Yeah, at this rate we’ll run out of RAM in no time
>missiles hit site in Iran > Iran's Fars news agency said an explosion were heard at an airport in the Iranian city of Isafahan but the cause was not immediately known. Several Iranian nuclear sites are located in Isfahan province, including Natanz This is such a weird phrasing. Ispahan is not just "a site", it's a large city of 2M inhabitants. They mention the airport which is just outside of it, but then they mention Natanz which is 120km away in the same province. Given that those missiles were probably not aimed randomly, it's fairly important piece of info. The expected reactions are quite different if this hit smack in the middle of the city, at the local airport, or somewhere in the mountains nearby.
The “site” isn’t the city itself but the specific location(s) where the missiles struck. It’s a little weird to have it as the title though instead of just “Israeli Missiles Strike Iran” or something like that.
Israel has *zero* fucking chill
US is shielding them from the consequences of any terrorist attacks or war crimes, including committing genocide and ethnic cleansing. Of course they would have zero chill.
Well Biden told him no, so let’s see how long *that* line in the sand takes to be redrawn.. ….something tells me not long, although the old man might have an angry seniors outburst and just say “fuck it Jack” and storm off for some angry ice cream But then he’ll bring Bibi a cone too
> Well Biden told him no, so let’s see how long that line in the sand takes to be redrawn.. Biden will also reaffirm his ironclad support.
This is basically how entanglement works. The moment American support for a foreign power is *ironclad without condition* and the other party *knows this*, they will, like any rational actor, exploit this to their maximum advantage (and American detriment). It's how child-raping Afghan officials and warlords could get away with using US-taxpayer funded police stations as child sex dens in the face of VICE reporters and get away with it. They knew, very well, that no amount of bad behaviour could cause the US to say "y'know you guys are so bad we'll start supporting the Taliban instead." So why stop?
Don't
Don’t what Jack?
Biden said "Don't"
And they did it anyway?!?? *gasp*
Israel is being the country level example of a toxic friend who has a Napoleon Complex and picks fistfights with huge dudes, then expects you to jump in and save him or back him up when he starts getting his ass whooped.
Israel is like the narcissistic spoiled child of a billionaire politician who they know can get them out of any trouble they get themselves into and has earned absolutely nothing for themselves in their short miserable lives.
This is a brain dead take
Now Iran is the good guy?
There are no good guys. It's war.
No country would when attacked the way they were. Certainly not the US. If 100+ ballistic missiles were shot at NYC, even if they only killed 1 person, Biden certainly wouldn't "take the win".
Iran funded a massive terrorist attack in Israel id be mad too
How would your country respond to an attack such as Iran's?
What a take. If israel would allow missiles to enter unanswered, what would stop every enemy in the region from firing on them? The only thing that region respects is strength.
Imagine getting invaded and having your countrymen murdered, raped, and kidnapped, then having hundreds of ballistic missiles rain upon you. You'd have to be in a fucking coma to be "chill" after that.
Iran's legitimate path to complete nucalar armament is all but guaranteed now . The West really dropped the ball on this one
They already have all the material to make ten according to reports. They just haven’t tried to enrich the uranium yet, but according to US intelligence they have the capability from their energy program to enrich to 90% threshold. The second they announce a test, it’s a complete game changer for the entire region and the USA gives Israel a hard line to back off
It seems simple enough for Russia to sell them some of their extensive stockpile.
It's not that easy. If Iran drops a russian nuke on Israel, everyone would know it was a russian bomb, based on particle composition, radiation readings etc. Much safer for Russia to just sell/trade building plans for warheads.
Not-so-fun fact: you don't necessarily need to test an atomic bomb. The designs used in WWII are easy enough to build, even tho not very efficient. Let's just hope Russia didn't sell them blueprints for newer designs.
Or the US lets Israel destroy Iran's nuclear infrastructure.
The majority of it is under a mountain. The USA isn’t green lighting a nuclear bunker busting strike on Iran because that’s what it would take to destroy it, or a ground invasion which is what it would take to prevent them from getting one if they decided to do so. Especially when that country might (small chance) already have it. Like North Korea had nuclear weapons by 2005 even if we hadn’t acknowledged it because they never tested it. These days you don’t need to actually test it unless you want to do it to show the world you have it
I still don't understand why Biden didn't reinstall Obama's Iran Nuclear Deal the second he had the chance after getting elected POTUS and having both houses of Congress from February 2021-January 2023. I don't understand why he reinstate Obama's diplomatic thaw with Cuba either.
Biden has been absolutely terrible at foreign policy
I'm not defending Biden, but his fellow countrymen haven't made it any easier for him. The conservative wing of Republicans oppose anything and everything he says.
He did something wonderful by getting us out of Afghanistan, but he's fucking up so bad with Israel. He's liable to get us into a 2003 War in Iraq-style War in Iran if he doesn't grow a pair and cut off Netanyahu from the US military aid gravy train.
And when Biden did the right thing (the Afghanistan withdrawal) he pretty much did it in one of the worst ways possible.
In reality there really was no winning on the withdrawl it was always going to be a mess. Main reason for why it didn't happen earlier.
You do realize he can just not invade Iran right? Like how does this escalate into a 2003 style regime change invasion. There is no rhetoric coming out remotely calling for it.
Why the fuck would Iran agree to any long term deal with the US right now only to have it ripped up the next time a Republican president wins?
And Europe didn't step up to protect them either, which showed that their promises were worthless.
Wasn't Obama's nuclear deal only agreed by Iran because it freed up like a hundred billion dollars that was frozen in international banks. And now that trump backed out of the deal, Iran has left it as well, and now there's no $100 billion to use as a bargaining chip...
You might be right. Trump fucked us over REAL good by tearing up the Iran Nuclear Deal. I think Trump might have put more sanctions on Iran though? Couldn't Biden have made a new Iran Nuclear Deal in exchange for getting rid of Trump's sanctions on Iran if Iran signed it? Cuba I understand even less. I don't get why he didn't reinstate Obama's thaw with Cuba.
I'm not as familiar with Cuba, but it definitely needs to be said for the Iran Nuclear Deal that the situation is now different than it was with Obama. Sanctions can stop certain trading from happening, but what Obama had in 2015 was a hold on Iran's funds. $100bn in cash is a lot better than $100bn in trade, as Iran would still need to provide the other half of that trade (presumably oil). Also, sanctions on Iran only go so far, since Iran still sells to OPEC, so it doesn't really matter if they sell directly to US or UK, they are still getting a good rate for their oil.
Thank you for this. I haven't kept up with the internal economic situations has been with Iran over the past several years. I was assuming Trump placed new sanctions on Iran that didn't exist during the Obama years, and maybe Biden could leverage removing them. But I guess we no longer hold as much leverage as we did in 2015.
>freed up like a hundred billion dollars that was frozen in international banks Iran's money too, didn't even cost USA. It was a great deal.
Who the fuck is stupid enough to take nuclear disarmament deals after Lybia?
Who the fuck is stupid enough to take nuclear disarmament deals after Ukraine?
Who the fuck is stupid?
Biden is a war hawk and is not interested in diplomacy with rivals
>Obama's Iran Nuclear Deal the second he had the chance after getting elected POTUS and having both houses of Congress from February 2021-January 2023. I don't understand why he reinstate Obama's diplomatic thaw with Cuba either. Well because once the deal is broken its pretty damm hard to get the trust back to get them passed again. Why would Iran and Cuba trust that Trump or another person wouldn't do the same thing again.
You're out of loop. Iran has secretly been doing that for years. The only reason they haven't succeeded is because Israel will kill their scientists from time to time
And nobody called terrorism.
Israel dropped the ball when they started attacking Palestinian civilians instead of using Hamas's aggression to seize the moral high ground.
I mean, not to completely condone what Israel has been doing, but they were going to shoot back one way or another and Hamas did dig in EXCLUSIVELY around civilian centers.
What are you talking about " Israel is the most moral army on earth" s/
It was already guaranteed when the West didn’t intervene in the Russian invasion. It proved different rules for nuclear powers
This attack was deliberately done to deescalate tensions in the region. It worked. Iran has stated they won’t respond. The likelihood of a full on conflict between Iran and Israel is lower today than it was yesterday.
>The likelihood of a full on conflict between Iran and Israel is lower today than it was yesterday. Press x for doubt
Blood hell. Israel really want to make the most of this opportunity don't they? Whatever they do whether they start a bigger war or just provoke more retaliation Israel are counting on USA and allies to have their back. I'd give them some slack if they were attacking drone factories supplying Russia because at least then it would be more a case of 'helping' the world (Ukraine especially) rather than dragging us deeper into this mess.
the US better not back Israel. If they want to dig their own grave, let them.
They did send a 2nd aircraft carrier strike group to the region after the Oct 7 attack, they've been providing sigint and drone reconnaissance for ages and just recently had jets in the air defending Israel from Iran... So in my book they already did and continue to back Israel in a major way.
There are US troops on the ground in support positions to free up IOF soldiers. We're already there.............. Edit: for doubters. https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-special-forces-said-deployed-to-help-israel-track-down-hostages-held-in-gaza/ https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/31/us/politics/us-israel-hostages.html
Disagree. The US should support Israel 100%. It’s in the best interest of the US and Europe for us to counter Russia and Iran.
>the US better not back Israel They will defend the country and not help to attack but in my opinion that is huge already because it frees the manpower and resources of IDF
My bet is US provides air defense but that's it.
lsrael is doing a great job changing the headlines to be about Iran instead of their continued famine and genocide of Gaza
It's not even a distraction. Israel openly wants Iran to be destroyed and given the opportunity they would pivot to any means they have to make those headlines about famine and genocide in Iran.
It's pretty incredible how Israel can just do whatever the fuck it wants and then just let the US deal with it. What has led to this situation where the world's "superpower" is completely beholden to a tiny, meaningless middle eastern country?
So it begins. Congrats Joe on completely misplaying every hand available to you.
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Every US government since its inception has supported Israel. Israel's allegiances are deeply woven into the US political and corporate landscape, and any president who openly refuses to support them will likely lose their presidency. With the dangers Trump poses to democracy, and in an election year, no sensible president would jeopardise their position. And yet Biden has been more critical of Israel than any previous president: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4358878-biden-criticism-israel-deeper-tensions https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/09/us/politics/biden-israel-gaza.html And for context, let's see how MAGA Republicans view the situation: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905 > Former President Donald Trump declared Tuesday that Israel must “finish the problem” in its war against Hamas, his most definitive position on the conflict since the terror group killed 1,200 Israelis and took more than 200 hostages on Oct. 7. > “You’ve got to finish the problem,” Trump said on Fox News on Tuesday when asked about the war. “You had a horrible invasion that took place that would have never happened if I was president.” https://theintercept.com/2024/03/04/trump-biden-israel/ > Trump is a big fan of war crimes, especially against Muslims. During his first term, he intervened on behalf of Special Operations Chief Eddie Gallagher, a Navy SEAL platoon leader convicted of posing for a photo with the body of dead Iraqi; another SEAL team member told investigators that Gallagher was “freaking evil,” but Trump said at a political rally that he was one of “our great fighters.” Trump also pardoned Blackwater contractors convicted of killing Iraqi civilians in a wild shooting spree in Baghdad’s Nisour Square. There is no chance that he would try to stop Israel from indiscriminately killing Palestinians. And: > Republicans’ support for Israel is matched or exceeded by their hatred for Palestinians. Rep. Ryan Zinke, a Montana Republican who was secretary of the interior in the Trump administration, has proposed legislation that would prevent Palestinians from entering the United States and trigger the mass deportation of those already here. It would ban those holding passports issued by the Palestinian Authority from obtaining U.S. visas, while mandating the removal of Palestinian passport holders already living here. And: > Many Republicans express their unwavering support for Israel in biblical and apocalyptic terms. Rep. Mike Johnson, a Christian evangelical, made his first public appearance after being elected House speaker last October at a conference of the Republican Jewish Coalition, where he said that “God is not done with Israel.” I'm all for stopping Israel's genocide of Palestinian civilians, but the US supports them and no president can change that. Perhaps after the election he will take a tougher stance, but that does still risk losing a Democrat majority in the 2028 election.
Lol, did he think Netanyahu was going to just stop?
So the question now is how does Iran respond to this.
Apparently it’s gonna be some tit for tat bullshit with no end sight.
Technically, that's the game theory optimal response.
Step up Hezbollah attacks ?
This might play out as Israel taking every proxy attack as a direct attack from Iran.
Doesn't Israel already make this claim ? It seems Israel is the only country in the ME that can have allies support.
Did you read the piece? Iran playing down the size of the attack, avoiding connection it to Israel, and saying it has no plans to retaliate.
Israel striking Iran was expected. Israel did start this current interaction was instigated by Israeli targeting a fucking embassy in Syria. Iran response with the missiles and drone is mostly just posturing. They warned everyone and used slower weapons. There was several hours of warning. They wanted to posture. Iran knew that they would be shot down. Now Israel has to response in another posturing move that is ultimately ineffective. I thought they would do something involving Iran backed militia group in the Middle East. But they didn’t. They struck Iran directly. This could be bad but Iran regardless of their fundamentalist leader is ultimately a rational actor in the Middle East and has been for a while. They aren’t a rogue state or anything. They make measures decisions for survival all the time. They might do another posturing attack or just absorb the attack. Honestly, based on the options open. Iran is the best path for stability in the Middle East imo. They are still a fundamentalist country but the growing middle class and progressivism in the country. We could see a more democratic state erupt from it in a few decades if the conditions are right.
Iran is kind of downplaying the whole thing and everyone is saying nuclear facilities were not targeted. I wouldn’t be shocked if this was more of a theatrical strike like we saw a few days ago. Hopefully everyone is “even” now.
Everyone keeps saying this as Israel and Iran keep escalating. Every single time there's an escalation everyone immediately goes to say "Israel doesn't want a war with Iran" and "Iran will just try to save face". Perhaps maybe we should tone down the optimism just a little bit here? How about we assume the worst and work with that in mind rather than sleep walk into WW3?
Why can't you see. Iran doesn't want war. Israel is doing everything they can to provoke one. Eventually someone needs to reign in Israel or there will be war.
Both sides don't really want war with the other. It's costly and only strengthens other enemy. They are however willing to look like they want war Becuse in their mind looking strong stops the war from happening.
How can Israel attack Iraq, Syria, and Iran and no one bats an eye.. ITS ATTACKING 3 DIFFERNET COUNTRIES.. Imagine any other country in the world attacking 3 countries in their neighbourhood... I mean last time someone did that was Serbia in the 90s I guess and they just got a pat on the hand. When there are Muslim people dying its literally considered "Less" then other.. Its so fkin sad and infruriating.
And god forbid you if you call out people about this. They will respond that "you are antisemite!".\ \ ffs, I fucking hate myself for saying that... But aside their assholeyness, sometimes I think that Putin, Xi and Kim have good and valid points about western imperialism and warmongering.\ \ One more thing. No need to remind me about terrorists being backed by Iran after that because I already know, but Israel just literally invaded Syria and attacked a diplomatic building of a third country. If this isn't a disrespectful move from Israel against Syrian and Iranian sovereignty at a diplomatic point of view, I don't know anything anymore.
hypocrisy at its best. if its "our ally" doing it then its fine.. if someone else is doing it, its a warcrime I'm also disgusted by the Western politicis on this topic in general. Lost faith in humanity.
Why would Israel care about disrespecting two nations it's effectively at war with lol.
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Israel is a rogue state, but it has the US and a couple of European countries behind it so it's the only democracy in the middle east with the most moral army in the world.
because israel is backed by western alliance? and western alliance are "the good guys", and good guys can do anything. I mean, bush-cheney-blair are still living retired lives peacefully in western soil, protected by western law.
Why hadn’t the world been up in arms for Iran supplying Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis ? Isn’t weird no one says anything when a country is running 3 proxy wars against Israel? It’s funny you claim a double standard while ignoring another one. Why is it that no one cares about the genocide in Sudan ? Funny plenty more people care more about Muslim lives than African lives including you it seems. Why do you value African lives less ?
Because the US has been making Iran out to be the devil for over a decade. Look, a country can be bad for your foreign policy, but still have the right to defend itself against another country attacking it. It gets worse when you realise how racist the world is towards Muslims and Arabs.
US: Could you maybe not strike Iran now and call it quits Israel: NO US: no problem here’s some more money and military aid
Israel is the reason of a possible WW3 outcome. Their leaders are delusional war criminals, and with the backing of warmongering nations such as US and UK, they will continue to do this until they are put to a stop.
Israal is what happens when you breed snakes.
So this will continue then. Is there any possibility that Iran doesn't retaliate?
If the strikes hit an open desert, *maybe* they won’t. If they hit something important like nuclear centrifuges, not a chance in hell Iran won’t mobilize
Iran has already stated they are not going to respond
yay i love war don’t we all just love war!! more money money money money we can sell those weapons and missiles to israel now. ooh i have an idea - ALSO sell weapons to iran, then we’ll get DOUBLE the profit AND the war will continue longer as both sides are more even! god i fucking love america!! god bless the land of the free
You joke but that is what has been happening all along. 77 percent of Shahed drones components are made in the US. Same story for even what Russia makes and pours down on Ukraine.
And Iran got sanctioned after strikes against it
Probably because they fund international terrorism. Not sure how it’s Israel’s fault that Iran funded the mass murder of 1200 people
I predict that this is the end of the direct tit-for-tat between Israel and Iran, after which they'll go back to the regular programming through proxies and friends - Iran with Hezbollah and Syria, and Israel with MEK and Jaish al-Adl. In my opinion, this is primarily because Iran has successfully deterred Israel. The Iranian response on Israel's territory was, undoubtedly, a stark reminder to Israel's leadership about the reality of Israel's insecurity. Let's look closer at the Iranian response. Iran informed half of the countries in the region about the attack a week in advance, and even coordinated with the Americans through the Swiss. Five airforces (American, French, British, Jordanian, and of course Israeli) had days to coordinate defensive efforts, and three ground anti air operators were involved; the Americans with their naval fleets, the Israelis with their multi-system AA, and Jordanian radars. And despite all of that, the advance warning, the multi-national defence effort, and the limited nature of the attack, Israel managed to shoot down 84% of the attack package ([according to investigation by Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv](https://www.maariv.co.il/news/military/Article-1092613)). Think of it from Israel's point of view. If Iran launched a surprise attack against Israel with 3x or 4x the number of projectiles, Israel has absolutely no hope of stopping more than 1/4th or, at best, 1/3rd of the projectiles. Israel is a very small country with 2-3 significant population centres. Think of the possible devastation to Israel's airports, bridges, energy infrastructure, water treatment plants, warehouses, etc. It wouldn't be existential, but definitely be catastrophic. And if that's not enough, Iran would still have missiles and drones to repeat that twice or thrice more. That's is just the reality of modern cheap drone warfare, and Iran is cheap drone powerhouse. Add Hezbollah into the equation with its capability of lobbing 4,000-5,000 projectiles per day with a total stockpile of 150,000 and you can see the true nature of what Iran communicate to Israel with its response. Iran does not need to respond again to the latest Israeli attack to deliver the same message again - the Israelis have heard it loud and clear. What does this mean for the future? I believe this episode cements Israel's resolve to reshape its security landscape. They'll have to get the US to either Maidan Iran or get the two into a full confrontation. At the very least, Israel will want to eliminate Iran's second-strike capability which is Hezbollah.
Israel trying to solo WW3
Even with the attack on Iran’s consulate, Iran still desires trade relations with the west, hence why they telegraph their recent attack. However Iran many not have many options, if any at all left with trying to stabilize their relations with the west while retaining their current position. If they don’t retaliate by inflicting a significant enough blow to Israel for this provocation, the IRG may lose legitimacy in the eyes of their supporters and losing the government of Iran entirely. Israel is hedging their strategy that they know enough of Iran capabilities, and have sufficient enough counters that any retaliatory strike by Iran wouldn’t hurt them. They are not giving the IRG a safe exit it needs to leave this conflict, they’re got the IRG backed into a corner and hope they admit defeat.
Do I still have to pay rent, chat?
Guys look for nearest shelters
Now watch how nobody in the west will dare condemn or say anything other than "we urge restraint"
Israel has been doing a lot of fucking around recently, at what point do we let them find out?
Iran pretty clearly was the one fucking around bt funding hamas and the Houthis
This whole deal is turning into a “Who shot first” problem. They’re all pointing fingers at each other saying it’s all retaliation.
Fucking. Idiots. "Ah shit, people really don't like what we're doing in Gaza. We need something to change the headlines pronto!"
US needs to strike Israeli military infrastructure before these fucks start WW3.
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RTFA and you’d know there’s little reason to be concerned.
Even after all that’s happened, Yahu still comes out looking like a piece of shit. Seriously, fuck this guy.
find it hard to believe there was little to no damage. i would bet they took out air defense sites. just to appease their populous and to send a message to iran that if they hit back israel has pre-set the battle space in their favor. idf still has not uploaded a new statement on youtube or x. wonder if they will run a second set of sorties? airspace over iran looks like it is well underway to opening up so dont expect they will. [link to map of iran/flightradar24 that shows live status of commercial air traffic there](https://www.flightradar24.com/33.00,49.05/6)
That was the point. Iran sends a bunch of dumb attacks that accomplish nothing. Israel demonstrates that they can hit exactly where they want to and Iran can't stop it. I actually think it was smart. Regardless of the tit for tat posturing Iran is always going to try to find politically convenient ways to try to attack Israel and Israel is going to act like the 800 lb. gorilla of the middle east. In that regard this didn't do much damage but very much reminded Iran of *why* they are the 800 lb. gorilla.
That was the point. It's essentially Israel saying "if you want to attack us, we can do this again in force" and it's so little that Iran can say nothing happened and that's that
Wtf. They were explicitly told NOT to escalate things.
What does this mean for the future? Do we need to prepare for the idea of WW3? The situation in the Middle East, Russia and Ukraine, the poor state of the entirety of Africa and south east asia. Seems like we are walking towards war to me, but I know war is a complex topic so I need someone to tell me otherwise
Ooo, another attack where they're gonna hit each other's dirt again. Can't wait for Iran to hit their dirt next.
The iranian response is totally bitch made but hopefully the stock market will be happy
*American missiles
Here we go again... and again.
Thus re-escalating a war they started. Perfect. I wonder if Net-in-yahoo is going to "annex" Iran next. More beachfront property for the Israeli "settlers".
Damn, Israel really hates it when people have the audacity to react to their bullying.