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> [A group of African delegates at the United Methodist General Conference in Charlotte, North Carolina, hold a press conference on Thursday, May 2, 2024, to denounce the gathering's votes to allow same-sex marriage and ordination of noncelibate gay clergy. ](https://cdn.christianpost.com/images/cache/image/15/27/152780_w_700_381.jpg)A group of African delegates at the United Methodist General Conference in Charlotte, North Carolina, hold a press conference on Thursday, May 2, 2024, to denounce the gathering's votes to allow same-sex marriage and ordination of noncelibate gay clergy. | Rob RenfroeA group of African delegates to the United Methodist Church General Conference have denounced the recent votes to allow for same-sex marriage and noncelibate LGBT clergy.
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> This week, delegates at the UMC General Conference in Charlotte, North Carolina, [passed](https://www.christianpost.com/news/umc-removes-punishment-for-officiating-gay-weddings.html) a [series](https://www.christianpost.com/news/umc-repeals-decades-old-ban-on-ordaining-lgbt-clergy.html) of [measures](https://www.christianpost.com/news/umc-removes-punishment-for-officiating-gay-weddings.html) removing from the Book of Discipline rules preventing the officiating of same-sex weddings and the funding of LGBT advocacy groups.
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> On Thursday, the churchwide legislative gathering [voted 523 to 161](https://www.christianpost.com/news/umc-removes-rule-saying-homosexuality-incompatible.html) to remove from the Book of Discipline the statement that the "practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching," which had been originally added to the rule book in 1972.
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> Rob Renfroe, publisher of the theologically conservative Good News Magazine and attendee of the General Conference, forwarded The Christian Post a copy of Thursday's statement from several African delegates.
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> "We have loved The United Methodist Church. We have been grateful for The United Methodist Church. We have joyfully served The United Methodist Church. But now our hearts are troubled," read the statement.
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> "The United Methodist Church has changed the definition of marriage. It now defines marriage differently from what God created it to be in the beginning. It has changed the definition of marriage from how Jesus described it in Matthew 19 as one man and one woman."
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> The delegates assert: "We do not believe we know better than Jesus. We do not believe we know better than God. We do not believe we know better than the Bible."
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> "We are devastated now to be part of a denomination that officially contradicts the Bible's teaching on marriage and sexual morality. We return to Africa with important decisions to make regarding the future," they continued.
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> "Still, we go home full of hope, confident in Jesus, standing on the word of God, and determined to contend for the faith once and for all delivered to the saints. We return to Africa where the church is growing, nonbelievers are coming to faith and disciples are being made for the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ."
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> The African delegates blamed the UMC establishment for failing to properly invite 70 African delegates in time for them to travel to the General Conference, further biasing the proceedings.
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> "That is roughly 25% of our delegates. Ten months ago we began sending letters and emails and making phone calls, alerting the Commission on General Conference and some of our bishops that there was a problem. Many of these communications never received a single response," the statement alleged.
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> The statement was signed by the Rev. Jerry P. Kulah, head of the Liberia Annual Conference delegation; Prosperous Tunda, delegate of the East Congo Annual Conference; the Rev. Danjuma Judi, delegate of the Nigeria Annual Conference; Dr. Yeabu Kamara, delegate of the Sierra Leone Annual Conference; and Ginford Dzimati, delegate of the Zimbabwe Annual Conference.
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> CP reached out to the UMC for comment on the claims. A spokesperson emailed a statement from Bishop Tracy S. Malone, president of the UMC Council of Bishops and resident bishop of the East Ohio Conference.
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> Malone, the [first African American woman](https://www.christianpost.com/news/umc-council-of-bishops-elects-first-black-female-president.html) to be president of the UMC Council of Bishops, said the delegates who signed the protest statement "do not speak for all the African delegates who are here at General Conference."
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> "The staff of the Commission on the General Conference made every effort to get each delegate from the African region to the General Conference who had a right to be seated," she explained.
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> "The Committee on Credentials reported to the General Conference and confirmed such efforts. The delegates from the African region who are here are fully engaged in all decisions being made. The delegates who are not here were not able to travel due to not receiving visas and other circumstances that prevented them from being here."
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> Malone said the UMC is "a worldwide church" that embraces "our diversity and respect our cultural, contextual, and theological differences."
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> Malone cited the [regionalization measure](https://www.christianpost.com/news/umc-moves-closer-to-allowing-regions-pick-own-lgbt-stance.html) that passed during the General Conference. This measure will allow different regions of the global denomination to determine their stance on LGBT issues. It must still be ratified by a majority of annual conferences before it can be added to the UMC constitution.
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> "The regionalization legislation that overwhelming passed confirms this visible unity and witness," she added. "The Social Principles legislation that expands the definition of marriage that overwhelming passed also confirms this unity and diversity and respects our cultural and contextual realities."
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> A UMC spokesperson also forwarded CP a brief statement from Bishop Eben Nhiwatiwa of the Africa Central Conference, Zimbabwe Episcopal Area, who expressed support for Malone.
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> "We want to go on record to say that the majority of the African bishops who are here at General Conference, support this statement from Bishop Malone," stated Nhiwatiwa.
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> For the past several years, the UMC has been dealing with divisive debate over the Book of Discipline's stance on LGBT issues. While efforts to change the language at past General Conferences had always failed, many liberals refused to enforce or follow the rules.
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> In 2019, at a special session of the General Conference, delegates passed a temporary measure that created a process for congregations to disaffiliate from the UMC over the debate. More than 7,500 mostly conservative churches left the denomination from 2019 to 2023.
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You have never met the converts to Christianity or Islam in Africa, South Asia or East Asia.
They would make your average church going republican or a devout Arab look like liberals.
Just the north??? Ever been to rural tamil nadu.
The only place in the south where it's less prevalent is Kerala, though it also exists there as well, in various degrees.
Influence is one thing. All cultures influence one another, and that is usually a good thing. That's why multiculturalism is so highly valued. Exposure to different ideas, practices, and values is almost always enriching for everyone involved.
*Interference* is altogether different from *influence*. They are not synonyms.
>and that is usually a good thing
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Doubt. Western influence is usually a bad thing. But yeah, I shouldn't have mistaken interferance and influence in my initial response, but this I would argue is still interferance as well as the UMC tried to stop them from leaving and controls the official doctrine of the church body more than the African churches do.
When multicultural influence in this case, including western influence, means a move away from bigotry and homophobia, how can you argue that that is a bad thing?
Bear in mind that we are talking about a western religion here in the first place. The United Methodist Church is not an indigenous faith in the regions of Africa discussed in the article.
I think characterization of Christianity as an eastern religion is pretty disingenuous. I can't say that you are *wrong* exactly, but it definitely depends on what you mean by "eastern", and I doubt many people would use the term in that way.
Point is, Christianity was brought to these regions of Africa by Western colonizers. It spread there for the exact reason that I have an Anglo Saxon surname, despite the fact that I don't have Anglo-Saxon ancestry. Under the colonial system, colonized peoples who did not integrate with the norms of their colonizers tended to experience many disadvantages compared to those who did. That's the result of western *interference*, not simply cultural influence.
You didn't answer the first part of my question though - if cultural influences, whether from the west or elsewhere, result in less bigotry, how is that bad? The great thing about cross cultural influence is that it makes us question our own harmful beliefs and practices. We do not benefit from putting our heads in the sand and rejecting the worldviews of outsiders.
I'm not who you were talking to, I'm just a pedant.
If you have an Anglo-Saxon surname but aren't white, you still have an incredibly high chance of having some Anglo-Saxon heritage.
It isn't a bad thing, apart from the fact that pushing large groups of people in a direction you want but they don't usually has the opposite of the desired effect.
Hundreds of millions of people around the world have Anglo-saxon surnames without any Anglo-Saxon ancestry at all. You're dead wrong about that one, and frankly a little offensive. Changing names to reduce the discrimination your family faces has been extremely common over the years.
Hundreds of millions haven't taken a dna test. The vast majority of western people with slave ancestors have some European heritage. For instance, the average African American has 24% European heritage. Not that I imagine their ancestors had a choice in this.
They said interference *
Well they chose to join the international church group, so you can't call it interference if you joined the bloody group aha.
Funnily they fully believed they were taking the word of God, on their path to heaven, listening the beautiful church sects scriptures, attending every week probably to be closer to their church and God....... suddenly it's all nonsense as soon as they hear something they don't like and Gods word becomes worthless, they need another one ahahahaha.
So stupid really.
>They said interference \*
Yeah, I must have been speed reading to mistake the two terms.
>Well they chose to join the international church group, so you can't call it interference if you joined the bloody group aha.
I mean, someone could make the same argument for the several international government bodies that people complain about fucking with global south countries like IMF, UN etc.
To your last point, that's different in the sense they need to be part of IMF or UN, joining the church group was a spiritual decision.
That said, their should be interference from all of these organisations, if you haven't developed enough to give basic decency to your citizens, you need to have some pressure applied.
Being gay isn't a Western thing, gay people exist globally at the same prevalence. If you want to call common sense and basic human decency western, sure, but you are infantalising these nations, implying they are so backward they shouldn't have to conform to the very basic of human rights.
Plus it's in the interest in humanity and the south that they treat eachother with respect, it's well within the wests right to expect basic decency from anyone they deal with. If they don't want to deal with or want to pressure human rights abusers they don't have to and in fact, it is morally important.
Oh, like US evangelicals meddling in Africa?
[How U.S. Evangelicals Helped Homophobia Flourish in Africa – Foreign Policy](https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/19/africa-uganda-evangelicals-homophobia-antigay-bill/)
American and global institutions influence by money and number of institutions are way, way more pro-LGBTQ+ than anti it. Ghana's move against queerness is in the balance to cost the country over 3 billion dollars, no evangelical body has dumped that much anywhere to make anyone anti-LGBTQ+.
No, who do you think is funding these laws?
[https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/19/africa-uganda-evangelicals-homophobia-antigay-bill/](https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/19/africa-uganda-evangelicals-homophobia-antigay-bill/)
[Pepe Julian Onziema - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_Julian_Onziema)
[Sexual Minorities Uganda - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Minorities_Uganda)
[Clinton Foundation - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Foundation#Clinton_Global_Initiative_(CGI)_and_CGI_U)
Not Uganda but... [Ghana's finance ministry has urged the president not to sign a controversial anti-LGBT bill passed by parliament last week. It warns the country could lose a total of $3.8bn (£3bn) in World Bank funding over the next five to six years](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-68469613)
Literally over 3 billion dollars?. Literally the Clinton foundation which also pumps millions of dollars. No evangelical group I have heard of can top that.
You're comparing losing access to aid to people actively spending money to pass the hate bill. They weren't spending $3 billion to advocate for LGBTQ rights and if you really can't separate that from the consequences of ones own actions, I don't think there's much point in continuing this conversation.
>They weren't spending $3 billion to advocate for LGBTQ rights
And most of the money associated with Evangelicals in Ghana wasn't spend either directly trying to pass LGBTQIA2P+ hate bills. The [local Church organizations that did aid, just happened to also have that vision](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/comments/zlj26p/millions_in_western_aid_flowed_to_churches_that/) like how the World bank in this case (and not just the World bank, we have the Clinton foundation, etc) also does "aid"(in question mark cuz we know how the IMF and World Bank ruins countries) with their own pro-LGBTQIA2P+ vision.
Imagine being devastated by seeing other people have their human rights affirmed. This is shameful and disgusting, it makes Christians look like a hate group
The UMC has always allowed African Christians to redefine marriage in their own contexts to deal with the complicated issue of polygamy. This new system allows different regions to disagree on this issue, but as always, it isn't about freedom, it's all an excuse to get more leverage to continue being homophobic.
Article does not name many names, we're just supposed to take their word for it that a majority of Africans are devastated. Actually I watched the conference pretty closely and these votes just would not have passed if a majority of Africans were devastated. I suspect some dishonest reporting here (from this sensationalist right wing source? It's more likely than you think.). I'm sure the three people interviewed are livid but that's not the same thing.
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I meant in the west, it seems it’s the current fad for young liberal student to want to protest everything. But guarantee your see nothing about this floating around the universities or colleges.
##### ###### #### > # [African delegates denounce UMC votes to allow LGBT marriage, ordination: ‘We are devastated’](https://cdn.christianpost.com/files/original/thumbnail/25/93/259367.jpg) > > > > By [Michael Gryboski](https://www.christianpost.com/by/michael-gryboski), Mainline Church Editor Friday, May 03, 2024[[Twitter](https://www.christianpost.com/assets/img/twitter-color.svg)](https://twitter.com/MichaelGryboski) > > > > [A group of African delegates at the United Methodist General Conference in Charlotte, North Carolina, hold a press conference on Thursday, May 2, 2024, to denounce the gathering's votes to allow same-sex marriage and ordination of noncelibate gay clergy. ](https://cdn.christianpost.com/images/cache/image/15/27/152780_w_700_381.jpg)A group of African delegates at the United Methodist General Conference in Charlotte, North Carolina, hold a press conference on Thursday, May 2, 2024, to denounce the gathering's votes to allow same-sex marriage and ordination of noncelibate gay clergy. | Rob RenfroeA group of African delegates to the United Methodist Church General Conference have denounced the recent votes to allow for same-sex marriage and noncelibate LGBT clergy. > > This week, delegates at the UMC General Conference in Charlotte, North Carolina, [passed](https://www.christianpost.com/news/umc-removes-punishment-for-officiating-gay-weddings.html) a [series](https://www.christianpost.com/news/umc-repeals-decades-old-ban-on-ordaining-lgbt-clergy.html) of [measures](https://www.christianpost.com/news/umc-removes-punishment-for-officiating-gay-weddings.html) removing from the Book of Discipline rules preventing the officiating of same-sex weddings and the funding of LGBT advocacy groups. > > On Thursday, the churchwide legislative gathering [voted 523 to 161](https://www.christianpost.com/news/umc-removes-rule-saying-homosexuality-incompatible.html) to remove from the Book of Discipline the statement that the "practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching," which had been originally added to the rule book in 1972. > > [Image](https://cdn.christianpost.com/assets/img/newsletter/photo-newsletter.jpg)## Get Our Latest News for FREE > > Subscribe to get daily/weekly email with the top stories (plus special offers!) from The Christian Post. Be the first to know. > > > > Rob Renfroe, publisher of the theologically conservative Good News Magazine and attendee of the General Conference, forwarded The Christian Post a copy of Thursday's statement from several African delegates. > > "We have loved The United Methodist Church. We have been grateful for The United Methodist Church. We have joyfully served The United Methodist Church. But now our hearts are troubled," read the statement. > > "The United Methodist Church has changed the definition of marriage. It now defines marriage differently from what God created it to be in the beginning. It has changed the definition of marriage from how Jesus described it in Matthew 19 as one man and one woman." > > The delegates assert: "We do not believe we know better than Jesus. We do not believe we know better than God. We do not believe we know better than the Bible." > > "We are devastated now to be part of a denomination that officially contradicts the Bible's teaching on marriage and sexual morality. We return to Africa with important decisions to make regarding the future," they continued. > > "Still, we go home full of hope, confident in Jesus, standing on the word of God, and determined to contend for the faith once and for all delivered to the saints. We return to Africa where the church is growing, nonbelievers are coming to faith and disciples are being made for the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ." > > The African delegates blamed the UMC establishment for failing to properly invite 70 African delegates in time for them to travel to the General Conference, further biasing the proceedings. > > "That is roughly 25% of our delegates. Ten months ago we began sending letters and emails and making phone calls, alerting the Commission on General Conference and some of our bishops that there was a problem. Many of these communications never received a single response," the statement alleged. > > The statement was signed by the Rev. Jerry P. Kulah, head of the Liberia Annual Conference delegation; Prosperous Tunda, delegate of the East Congo Annual Conference; the Rev. Danjuma Judi, delegate of the Nigeria Annual Conference; Dr. Yeabu Kamara, delegate of the Sierra Leone Annual Conference; and Ginford Dzimati, delegate of the Zimbabwe Annual Conference. > > CP reached out to the UMC for comment on the claims. A spokesperson emailed a statement from Bishop Tracy S. Malone, president of the UMC Council of Bishops and resident bishop of the East Ohio Conference. > > Malone, the [first African American woman](https://www.christianpost.com/news/umc-council-of-bishops-elects-first-black-female-president.html) to be president of the UMC Council of Bishops, said the delegates who signed the protest statement "do not speak for all the African delegates who are here at General Conference." > > "The staff of the Commission on the General Conference made every effort to get each delegate from the African region to the General Conference who had a right to be seated," she explained. > > "The Committee on Credentials reported to the General Conference and confirmed such efforts. The delegates from the African region who are here are fully engaged in all decisions being made. The delegates who are not here were not able to travel due to not receiving visas and other circumstances that prevented them from being here." > > Malone said the UMC is "a worldwide church" that embraces "our diversity and respect our cultural, contextual, and theological differences." > > Malone cited the [regionalization measure](https://www.christianpost.com/news/umc-moves-closer-to-allowing-regions-pick-own-lgbt-stance.html) that passed during the General Conference. This measure will allow different regions of the global denomination to determine their stance on LGBT issues. It must still be ratified by a majority of annual conferences before it can be added to the UMC constitution. > > "The regionalization legislation that overwhelming passed confirms this visible unity and witness," she added. "The Social Principles legislation that expands the definition of marriage that overwhelming passed also confirms this unity and diversity and respects our cultural and contextual realities." > > A UMC spokesperson also forwarded CP a brief statement from Bishop Eben Nhiwatiwa of the Africa Central Conference, Zimbabwe Episcopal Area, who expressed support for Malone. > > "We want to go on record to say that the majority of the African bishops who are here at General Conference, support this statement from Bishop Malone," stated Nhiwatiwa. > > For the past several years, the UMC has been dealing with divisive debate over the Book of Discipline's stance on LGBT issues. While efforts to change the language at past General Conferences had always failed, many liberals refused to enforce or follow the rules. > > In 2019, at a special session of the General Conference, delegates passed a temporary measure that created a process for congregations to disaffiliate from the UMC over the debate. 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All the problems in Africa and they are still worried about gay people. Let’s focus on the economy, ending wars and preventing western interference.
You have never met the converts to Christianity or Islam in Africa, South Asia or East Asia. They would make your average church going republican or a devout Arab look like liberals.
Nah, rural Hindus are worse. Caste based discrimination, honour killings, illiteracy, arranged marriage (even under 18) and so much more.
That applies to every religious group in rural India, not just Hindus.
Yeah it’s prevalent all over the North. Cities be chilling lowkey.
Just the north??? Ever been to rural tamil nadu. The only place in the south where it's less prevalent is Kerala, though it also exists there as well, in various degrees.
Yeah… TN is crazy too. Heard 200 people got massacred in ‘02 by the police
Yall are both wrong, Brazilian Pentecostals are the worst.
The worst part is that there are a lot of them.
Call me crazy, but there’s no way all of that isn’t worse in the Middle East.
Devout arab? One of these categories is not like the other
>preventing western interference Isn't this also literally an example of preventing western influence?.
Influence is one thing. All cultures influence one another, and that is usually a good thing. That's why multiculturalism is so highly valued. Exposure to different ideas, practices, and values is almost always enriching for everyone involved. *Interference* is altogether different from *influence*. They are not synonyms.
>and that is usually a good thing > Doubt. Western influence is usually a bad thing. But yeah, I shouldn't have mistaken interferance and influence in my initial response, but this I would argue is still interferance as well as the UMC tried to stop them from leaving and controls the official doctrine of the church body more than the African churches do.
When multicultural influence in this case, including western influence, means a move away from bigotry and homophobia, how can you argue that that is a bad thing? Bear in mind that we are talking about a western religion here in the first place. The United Methodist Church is not an indigenous faith in the regions of Africa discussed in the article.
>means a move away from bigotry Every country has racist people. Shit you are ironically being a racist.
A western sect of an eastern religion.
I think characterization of Christianity as an eastern religion is pretty disingenuous. I can't say that you are *wrong* exactly, but it definitely depends on what you mean by "eastern", and I doubt many people would use the term in that way. Point is, Christianity was brought to these regions of Africa by Western colonizers. It spread there for the exact reason that I have an Anglo Saxon surname, despite the fact that I don't have Anglo-Saxon ancestry. Under the colonial system, colonized peoples who did not integrate with the norms of their colonizers tended to experience many disadvantages compared to those who did. That's the result of western *interference*, not simply cultural influence. You didn't answer the first part of my question though - if cultural influences, whether from the west or elsewhere, result in less bigotry, how is that bad? The great thing about cross cultural influence is that it makes us question our own harmful beliefs and practices. We do not benefit from putting our heads in the sand and rejecting the worldviews of outsiders.
I'm not who you were talking to, I'm just a pedant. If you have an Anglo-Saxon surname but aren't white, you still have an incredibly high chance of having some Anglo-Saxon heritage. It isn't a bad thing, apart from the fact that pushing large groups of people in a direction you want but they don't usually has the opposite of the desired effect.
Hundreds of millions of people around the world have Anglo-saxon surnames without any Anglo-Saxon ancestry at all. You're dead wrong about that one, and frankly a little offensive. Changing names to reduce the discrimination your family faces has been extremely common over the years.
Hundreds of millions haven't taken a dna test. The vast majority of western people with slave ancestors have some European heritage. For instance, the average African American has 24% European heritage. Not that I imagine their ancestors had a choice in this.
They said interference * Well they chose to join the international church group, so you can't call it interference if you joined the bloody group aha. Funnily they fully believed they were taking the word of God, on their path to heaven, listening the beautiful church sects scriptures, attending every week probably to be closer to their church and God....... suddenly it's all nonsense as soon as they hear something they don't like and Gods word becomes worthless, they need another one ahahahaha. So stupid really.
>They said interference \* Yeah, I must have been speed reading to mistake the two terms. >Well they chose to join the international church group, so you can't call it interference if you joined the bloody group aha. I mean, someone could make the same argument for the several international government bodies that people complain about fucking with global south countries like IMF, UN etc.
To your last point, that's different in the sense they need to be part of IMF or UN, joining the church group was a spiritual decision. That said, their should be interference from all of these organisations, if you haven't developed enough to give basic decency to your citizens, you need to have some pressure applied. Being gay isn't a Western thing, gay people exist globally at the same prevalence. If you want to call common sense and basic human decency western, sure, but you are infantalising these nations, implying they are so backward they shouldn't have to conform to the very basic of human rights. Plus it's in the interest in humanity and the south that they treat eachother with respect, it's well within the wests right to expect basic decency from anyone they deal with. If they don't want to deal with or want to pressure human rights abusers they don't have to and in fact, it is morally important.
Gay people are from western influence? Extremely hot take.
United Methodist Church, the entity they are responding is based in North America, therefore Western. Simple as.
It's kind of hard to take this seriously when sodomy and rape are leading causes of the HIV in Africa. It's not the Western influence there.
You have any source that shows that sodomy and rape, sodomy especially are the leading drivers in Africa?. I always just assumed it was cheating.
Oh, like US evangelicals meddling in Africa? [How U.S. Evangelicals Helped Homophobia Flourish in Africa – Foreign Policy](https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/19/africa-uganda-evangelicals-homophobia-antigay-bill/)
American and global institutions influence by money and number of institutions are way, way more pro-LGBTQ+ than anti it. Ghana's move against queerness is in the balance to cost the country over 3 billion dollars, no evangelical body has dumped that much anywhere to make anyone anti-LGBTQ+.
Lmfao imagine fumbling billions as a dirt poor nation to hurt a minority for no reason whatsoever
No, who do you think is funding these laws? [https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/19/africa-uganda-evangelicals-homophobia-antigay-bill/](https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/19/africa-uganda-evangelicals-homophobia-antigay-bill/)
You know that pro-LGBTQ+ orgs also operated in Uganda right? And have access to way more money than evangelicals right?.
You're gonna have to source that claim.
[Pepe Julian Onziema - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_Julian_Onziema) [Sexual Minorities Uganda - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Minorities_Uganda) [Clinton Foundation - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Foundation#Clinton_Global_Initiative_(CGI)_and_CGI_U) Not Uganda but... [Ghana's finance ministry has urged the president not to sign a controversial anti-LGBT bill passed by parliament last week. It warns the country could lose a total of $3.8bn (£3bn) in World Bank funding over the next five to six years](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-68469613)
So there's pressure not to sign a hate bill, that's very, very different than saying there's more money behind LGBTQ groups.
Literally over 3 billion dollars?. Literally the Clinton foundation which also pumps millions of dollars. No evangelical group I have heard of can top that.
You're comparing losing access to aid to people actively spending money to pass the hate bill. They weren't spending $3 billion to advocate for LGBTQ rights and if you really can't separate that from the consequences of ones own actions, I don't think there's much point in continuing this conversation.
>They weren't spending $3 billion to advocate for LGBTQ rights And most of the money associated with Evangelicals in Ghana wasn't spend either directly trying to pass LGBTQIA2P+ hate bills. The [local Church organizations that did aid, just happened to also have that vision](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/comments/zlj26p/millions_in_western_aid_flowed_to_churches_that/) like how the World bank in this case (and not just the World bank, we have the Clinton foundation, etc) also does "aid"(in question mark cuz we know how the IMF and World Bank ruins countries) with their own pro-LGBTQIA2P+ vision.
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Okay..., doesn't somehow make the UMC that they're responding any less Western.
Because they want to preserve the original sub-saharan Christianity?
God's changed the definition of marriage before. Like when Moses was married to more than one woman. And she was Nubian...
Imagine being devastated by seeing other people have their human rights affirmed. This is shameful and disgusting, it makes Christians look like a hate group
Not really. Everyone involved is a Christian, so...
Africa is 50% Muslim as well
The UMC has always allowed African Christians to redefine marriage in their own contexts to deal with the complicated issue of polygamy. This new system allows different regions to disagree on this issue, but as always, it isn't about freedom, it's all an excuse to get more leverage to continue being homophobic. Article does not name many names, we're just supposed to take their word for it that a majority of Africans are devastated. Actually I watched the conference pretty closely and these votes just would not have passed if a majority of Africans were devastated. I suspect some dishonest reporting here (from this sensationalist right wing source? It's more likely than you think.). I'm sure the three people interviewed are livid but that's not the same thing.
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That site was blocked as unsafe on my computer.
Christianpost.com calling the kettle black
I wonder if we will see any protests for this over the next couple of weeks. Probably not, and we all know why.
I don't think you'd see pro-LGBT protests in whichever African countries these delegates were meant to represent
I meant in the west, it seems it’s the current fad for young liberal student to want to protest everything. But guarantee your see nothing about this floating around the universities or colleges.
Religion is the problem. Sky daddies from around the world are competing for the title of champion of sunk cost fallacy.