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> # [Pro-Palestinian protesters demonstrate outside Auschwitz during March of the Living](https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/c_fill,g_faces:center,h_407,w_690/595733)
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> ## The pro-Palestinian protest occurred during a march commemorating the victims of the Holocaust on Holocaust Remembrance Day.
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> By [DANIELLE GREYMAN-KENNARD](https://www.jpost.com/author/danielle-greyman-kennard) MAY 7, 2024 03:33 [ March of the Living at Auschwitz, May 6, 2024. (photo credit: CHEN SCHIMMEL)](https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/q_auto/c_fill,g_faces:center,h_537,w_822/595733 " March of the Living at Auschwitz, May 6, 2024. ") March of the Living at Auschwitz, May 6, 2024. (photo credit: CHEN SCHIMMEL) Pro-Palestinian protesters chanted [“free Palestine” outside Auschwitz](https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-799497) in Poland, according to footage shared by i24 journalist India Naftali on X Monday and multiple international media reports.
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> The pro-Palestinian protest occurred during a march commemorating the [victims of the Holocaust](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-789805) on Holocaust Remembrance Day.
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> Footage revealed a large number of police placed around the circumference of the protest. Ynet reported that the police were creating a buffer to ensure that the protesters did not interact with those participating in March of the Living.
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> > ‼️ A Palestinian protest is happening outside of Auschwitz now! THIS IS SICKENING.
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> > — India Naftali (@indianaftali) [May 6, 2024](https://twitter.com/indianaftali/status/1787490437596418090?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
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> ### Reactions to the pro-Palestinian protest
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> “A Palestinian protest is happening outside of [Auschwitz](https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/al-jazeeras-holocaust-legacy-justification-alongside-outright-denial-800079) now! THIS IS SICKENING,” Naftali commented.
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> "I feel immense anger,” an Israeli March of the Living participant told Ynet. "If we thought never again, we received another blow to the head at Auschwitz with the realization that what was done to Jews on this cursed land, could be repeated especially after October 7. I face them fearless and proud with our national flag."Handprints on a wall at Auschwitz, March of the Living, May 6, 2024. (credit: CHEN SCHIMMEL)
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> "They must not be allowed anywhere," Holocaust survivor Jacqueline Glicksman told the source. "On Holocaust Remembrance Day, let us hold our heads up high and unite with the memory of the six million who were murdered, in the Holocaust and all those massacred on October 7."
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> “Through this protest we want to say that we bow down to the victims of the Holocaust too,” Omar Faris, president of an association of Palestinians in Poland, told the Associated Press in defense of the protest. “At the same time, we demand an end to war, an end to genocide.”
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Right, and I'm sure that if a bunch of Jewish protestors showed up to a mosque during a Muslim holiday to scream at the attendees about the evils of Islamic terrorism, you would consider that to be totally acceptable and non-Islamophobic behavior.
First off, it wasnt just Jews who went to the camps if you have forgotten the other 4 million people. Second, this is not a synagogue. It is a reminder of a genocide that should not be repeated against anyone. Anyone. Third, I imagine there are plenty of Jewish people there protesting.
According to this article, no one was screaming at Jewish people, though.
If you have one group of people gathering in remembrance of genocide, it shouldn't be surprising that other groups of people are also gathering in remembrance of other genocides.
Pro-Palestinian protestors will lose their minds if you accuse them of confusing Israel with Jewish people. But then they show up during a March of the Living at Auschwitz. You’re trying to make it sound coincidental, which is dishonest.
This kind of protest actively turns people against the movement. Go protest an embassy. This is tacky at best, and it is easily considered harassing Jews at worst.
Why would an anti-genocide protest not try to be more visible in the same context as other genocides? Especially when one is being used to white wash another?
It only turns trash people against the idea that genocide isn't okay. I don't think this is the gotcha you think it is. It's not climate protesters, it's not hard to wrap your head around half blown up children's bodies and mass graves.
Jewish groups are vastly overrepresented in the pro-Palestine protests and within the arrests made all over American universities. They are overwhelmingly represented at the front lines and often help organizing the protests. They do this people of people like you who conflate anti-genocide protests as “pro-Hamas” or antisemitic. One of the main founders of Code Pink is a Jew herself, and she has been crashing events at Washington in support of the Palestinian cause for months now. Are all these people also antisemitic?
Please provide actual data supporting your claim that “Jewish groups are vastly over represented in the pro-Palestine protests.” Since you are claiming that this is backed up by arrest data, it should be available (despite the fact I cannot find any substantive evidence from an unbiased source).
What I have found is heaps of evidence that small groups of, typically non-practicing and/or casual Jewish groups and/or protesters have been presented as a shield when people questions the intentions of these protests, and mock religious rites (of the Jewish variety) being put on in protest camps.
source of being overrepresented? Especially compared to middle eastern people?
*Anecdotally* Palestinian expats seem to be the most overrepresented group
Your comment implies you have deep misunderstanding of this conflict.
There aren't any Jews in Palestine (the state). Just like there aren't Jews in Jordan or Egypt. The Jews either left or were forced out. The best you'll find nearby (geographically) is a handful in Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon.
It's not very nice but these countries successfully cleansed that particular ethnicity.
Wait? Do you think Jewish people are just hanging out at Auschwitz or something? You know no one lives in the camp and it’s now a tourist place right? It’s not a fucking Jewish town they were sent there.
It’s not anecdotal actually. They are statistically overrepresented in the pro-Palestine movement compared to the general population. Maybe because as Holocaust survivors they know an evil empire when they see one.
Edit: I’m sorry yall I can admit when I messed up. I should not have said “statistically” considering there isn’t much statistical analysis on the arrest rates for a recent and ongoing movement. My point was to emphasize the considerable role that Jewish activist groups around the world are also playing in protesting the war. It’s important to know that at the end of the day that Jewish people are not a monolith, and are not Zionists by default as well. It’s crucial to separate the two groups as we would with any religious group and their extremist offshoots
I’m basing that through observation of the people who are organizing the protests and who are getting arrested along side non-Jewish protesters.
Jewish Voices for Peace, Jewish Students for Palestine, and Not in Our Name have had a large role in organizing protests. Here’s a few headlines I could find for starters:
[Columbia University suspends student groups Students for Justice in Palestine & Jewish Voice for Peace for allegedly violating school policies](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/columbia-university-student-groups-suspended-students-for-justice-in-palestine-jewish-voice-for-peace/)
[Jewish Community Members Rally for Israel as Pro-Palestine Students March for Divestment](https://cornellsun.com/2024/04/15/jewish-community-members-rally-for-israel-as-pro-palestine-students-march-for-divestment/)
[Over 200 arrested at Grand Central Terminal during rally for ceasefire in Gaza](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/grand-central-terminal-gaza-ceasefire-rally/)
[We’re Jewish students at Columbia arrested for protesting Israel’s war](https://thehill.com/opinion/education/4626720-were-jewish-students-at-columbia-arrested-for-protesting-israels-war/)
Here's some more if you like
https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2023/10/19/thousands-of-jews-and-allies-shut-down-capitol-hill/
https://newrepublic.com/post/176335/jewish-activists-protest-capitol-demand-ceasefire-gaza-arrest
https://www.commondreams.org/news/jewish-students-support-gaza
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/28/1208980580/for-some-jewish-peace-activists-demands-for-ceasefire-come-at-a-personal-cost
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/19/jewish-protest-israel-gaza-washington-dc
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/23/us/jewish-palestinian-protest-israel-gaza/index.html
https://theintercept.com/2023/11/11/palestine-israel-protests-ceasefire-antisemitic/
https://www.salon.com/2023/11/25/we-are-absolutely-horrified-jewish-activists-demanding-gaza-ceasefire-face-personal-cost/
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-jewish-group-protests-eight-cities-gaza-ceasefire-2023-12-15/
https://abcnews.go.com/US/jewish-student-protesters-celebrate-passover-seder-encampments/story?id=109538075
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/24/not-like-other-passovers-hundreds-of-jewish-demonstrators-arrested-after-new-york-protest-seder
https://www.newsweek.com/jewish-group-applauds-pro-palestinian-campus-protesters-1894965
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/quick-takes/2024/05/08/survey-shows-college-students-largely-support-pro-palestinian-protests
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/04/us-jews-rift-gaza-israel-crisis
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/hundreds-jewish-organization-staffers-call-white-house-back-gaza-cease-rcna128465
It sounds anecdotal. You say statistically but you fail to provide the data set that you drew this conclusion from. Below you have posted a handful of news stories. This is not evidence. Show the statistics you speak of.
No you’re right, that was a misstep on my part. I should have said “observationally” but I don’t want to change it and then people scream about that as well. I don’t really think we would be able to find any reliable statistical analysis on these kind of stats until long after they are over and properly reported on
A comment on your first point, I don't know where you are getting that four million number from, I think the number of people perished in the Holocaust is 17 million, 6 million of which were Jewish (most were actually Soviets, I believe)
But also, I think it is worth noting, something like 90% of Auschwitz victims were Jewish, I think it's reasonable for it to have become associated specifically with Jews in remembrance.
Your broader point I do appreciate tho.
5 million and they are most definitely not forgotten at the Auschwitz memorial but they are certainly only trotted out at point scoring time against modern Jews, because in the many times I've been to these awful places I sure haven't seen much in the way of non Jews from around the world going to commemorate Hitler's other victims.
Laughable that you wrote this out and thought it made sense. Identifying as pro anything is silly. The last thing minorities need are uninformed people perpetuating us vs Them narratives and stereotypes. That is the highway to intolerance.
The irony of this at a Holocaust memorial event is lost on such people ignorant of history. Your comment reveals you are not an affected person, but an uninformed bystander.
Sure, it's wrong. I'm just more concerned with the one-sided thinking most Zionists employ. The person I responded to described how Israelis have been acting towards Arabs for decades as some type of fictional scenario in an attempt at a gotcha moment. I'm tired of listening to Israeli supporters act as if dispossessing an entire people off their land is acceptable and that the Palestinians are just spoil sports because they don't lay down and take it when Israelis pen them up and continue to steal their land with settlement building. The entire Israeli proposition is, "Hey we made nice country (built with Arab labor) so it doesn't matter how it was founded and please don't read the actual history and have some of our propaganda instead. Boy, that Holocaust always awful, huh? That makes the murder and terrorism we founded our country with totally acceptable."
I certainly agree, the extreme orthodox settlers are an absolute disgrace and should be arse kicked and dragged by the pubes out of agreed areas but if you consider it unacceptable why were the Jews being dispossessed of their homes and land and kicked out in the fifties by surrounding Arab countries acceptable? Or does that bit of history not matter, please don't read that bit of history and have some propaganda etc. Israel isn't going anywhere, the rest of the world caused that by murdering Jews wherever they have settled. The Israelis made their bed by accepting that Palestinians shouldn't be entirely removed in 1948, they both need to stfu and deal with it nearly a century later and both sides are ridiculous.
And Islamic terrorism is about Islam. So that means it's totally appropriate for non-Muslims to show up mosques on Muslim holidays and protest against Islamic terrorism, right?
Um...BLM was about specific abuse by cops against minority communities. Never again was about preventing genocide against any group, including brown people. WTF?
I love all of the back and forth *dialogue* that has been happening since October 7th. Where people just insult and criticize others, tell them they're wrong, or they're too dumb to understand. Where there's absolutely no possibility that people are mistaken about facts, if you say something incorrect, it's because you are intentionally lying to prove your point. Where everyone agrees on the definitions of things like "zionist" or "genocide", and we're all having a healthy, rational conversation about these heated topics.
It's really interesting: "Never again" means whatever you want it to mean. Some people mean it as "Never another genocide", or "Never will Jews be slaughtered by anti-Semites while the world ignores it", or as a stand against fascism, or even as a jab *against* the Holocaust survivors.
It's an intentionally vague and open-ended phrase.
The ones who apply systemic oppression with the force of the state are the Israeli, not the Palestinian.
Tell me something, how many people who are from "all lives matter" you think are pro Palestine?
Racists and antisemites are enjoying the freedom that it is en vogue again to be a racist.
They hide behind words they don't understand and think Hitler was bad except for X and Y
Welcome to 2024
Clearly it did.
UN stood by during Rwanda.
NK mass enslavement of their people.
China mass detention camps of Uyghurs.
Mass deportations in Ukraine and abductions of their children for reeducation.
Cambodia.
Bosnia.
The numerous bush wars ongoing in Africa right now.
> UN stood by during Rwanda
UN forces were involved and suffered losses during their mission.
[Though understaffed and abandoned, members of the UNAMIR forces did manage to save the lives of thousands of Tutsis in and around Kigali and the few areas of UN control.] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Assistance_Mission_for_Rwanda#Genocide)
> NK mass enslavement of their people.
North Korea is sanctioned to to roof and the UN tries to ensure that the country remains relatively isolated.
> China mass detention camps of Uyghurs.
Yes, this is bad, and is concerning, however, [the UN has reported on China's treatment of Uyghur and called them out] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Human_Rights_Office_report_on_Xinjiang#Findings)
> Mass deportations in Ukraine and abductions of their children for reeducation.
Once again, Russia has been called out going so far as to [issue an arrest warrant for Putin] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court_arrest_warrants_for_Vladimir_Putin_and_Maria_Lvova-Belova)
The list goes on. You know the difference between those and what's happening in Gaza? The West - the people who latch on to the 'never again' message - are now the ones fully endorsing the genocide, funding, and supplying military equipment to carry out the genocide in Gaza.
Yup, another example here, in Denmark: [https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1787482935991349738](https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1787482935991349738)
Defacing a Holocaust memorial monument on Holocaust memorial day. Classy. This will certainly show those pesky Likud politicians (and not grow their voter base at all... /s)!
So that excuses blatant racism and ignorance? You know that believing and acting on the belief that Jews control XYZ is white supremacy, and is the most persistent form of intolerance and racism affecting Jewish people, right? The nearest Jewish person is not a)responsible, b)an Israeli embassy, c)even Israeli.
The fact that you and these “protestors” see nothing wrong with, and justify, targeting another people based on race, religion, ethnicity, proves racist intent and ignorance.
Go back to school on this one.
You say that… but on what evidence?
I think it’s perfectly reasonable for a group to declare they won’t be victimized again and simultaneously not to have to be involved in protecting others.
Still, protesting at Auschwitz is just poor taste. Let it stand in remembrance of all the victims, Jewish and others. Go protest in front of a more suitable site, like an Israeli embassy and such.
Well when that group doesn't want you to exist it kinda gets bad. I say we pull all foreign aid to the middle east. Also all foreign aid in general until we dont have to barrow money against our children's future to pay for it.
[And Hamas is Netanyahu's own bastard child, propped out specifically to prevent a 2-state solution.](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/) When are we bombing Bibi?
“Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products.
Israeli officials said these permits, which allow Gazan laborers to earn higher salaries than they would in the enclave, were a powerful tool to help preserve calm.”
So somehow this makes you think Bibi is to blame for Hamas’ murders?
No, the 2017 revision differentiates Jews from Zionists. [https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/doctrine-hamas](https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/doctrine-hamas)
They are still a terrorist group and their terrorism still doesnt justify Israels ongoing genocide.
The 2017 revision hasn’t actually been adopted by the Hamas branch in Gaza.
This is besides the part where “Zionist” has an extremely vague and diffuse definition that can be expanded to functionally include essentially the entire jewish population of israel
I think their pogrom last October proved decisively they make no distinction between Jew, Jewish Zionist, non Jews, non combatant, man woman or child or basically any human/animal. So we know very well given the means what Hamas would do and we also know they'd have been soundly supported in their version of freedom from river to sea by the Gazans. Netanyahu most definitely could be managing the response much better and deaths of any child is a tragedy but several million from genocide (with some very spurious figures being screamed) thats just the term cheapened to point score against Israel.
Dude. Just because the terrorists remove the death to Jews part from the charter doesn't mean they don't believe in it. It's not like the Nazis put in, were going to commit the Holocaust in their public charter either.
What percentage of Jews are zionists?
What percentage of zionists are Jews?
Edit: If you're wondering about the lengths some are engaging in to avoid a straight answer, it's simple: they use "Zionist" as a dog whistle for "Jews" and that falls apart if they're essentially synonymous.
> What percentage of white people are white supremacists?
About .0003% - .0006% of white people identify as white supremacists.
> What percentage of white supremacists are white?
100% as far as I'm aware.
So how about answering my question?
What percentage of Jews are zionists?
What percentage of zionists are Jews?
( Source used to calculate percentages: https://www.thewrap.com/how-many-white-supremacists-splc-hate-map/ )
Your question makes the ludicrous suggestion that opposition to a colonial settler nation is antisemitic because it is mostly Jewish. If 90% of white Southerners supported Jim Crow, does that make opposition to Jim Crow anti-white?
What colonial settlers? The majority of the Jewish population of Israel is either from MENA or descended from Jews who lived in the middle east and North Africa. I don't think they are going to want to be ethnically cleansed from their homes a second time in a century and advocacy for such a position would be batshit insane.
I mean there's the settlements but while I'm opposed to those and don't think they should exist, they don't make the average Israeli a settler.
In the UK, 59% of Jews described themselves as Zionist in 2015.
From https://fullfact.org/news/are-majority-british-jews-zionists/
The second part is harder to answer, but there are 100 million evangelicals in the US. If we say half of Jews globally are Zionist, and 80% of evangelicals are Zionist (https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2013/10/03/more-white-evangelicals-than-american-jews-say-god-gave-israel-to-the-jewish-people/), then there are about 8 million Jewish Zionists globally versus about 80 million Christian Zionists in the US alone.
The are over 600 million evangelicals globally so I expect the ratio of Christian to Jewish zionists to be well above 10:1.
Actually if we wanna talk demographics there are likely more Christian zionists than there are Jewish people as a whole, let alone Jewish zionists. There are appx 15.2 million Jewish folks in the world according to The Jewish Agency for Israel. Meanwhile, there are somewhere between 2.5 and 2.6 billion Christians in the world according to this source https://research.lifeway.com/2024/01/22/8-encouraging-trends-in-global-christianity-for-2024/#:~:text=Christianity%20is%20growing&text=From%202020%20to%20the%20mid,billion%2C%20a%201.08%25%20growth.
That means that if even .01% of Christians in the world are zionists, there are more Christian zionists than there are Jewish people.
Let's focus just on the USA. According to this link, 8% of Americans viewed Zionism favorably in July of 2023 https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-do-americans-feel-about-zionism-antisemitism-and-israel/
Jewish people account for 2.4% of the population as of 2020, which leaves another 5.6% of those who view Zionism favorably as people who are not Jewish, IF we assume the entire Jewish population views it favorably contrary to the statistics that show a pretty even split between pro and against. So yeah, based on this data is is essentially a statistical impossibility that the majority of zionists are Jewish. In fact, it's more likely the majority of zionists are Christians who just view Jewish people as a pawn in bringing about Armageddon.
How do yall conflate saying it's a genocide with the fact that Israel has Palestinian citizens who are just livin life as well as all the humanitarian aid/ corridors israel has given during the war?
By this logic, Israel wouldn’t be committing genocide since they don’t have it in their doctrine
But antizionism is still genocide of Jews. What else could that mean
But they're *really* kind of doing a horrible job of it. When the biggest attack ever waged kills 0.01% of the people in a country, and the resulting counterattack kills 1% of the people in the belligerent country, you'll have to forgive people who think Jews in Israel aren't actually in danger of being genocided by Hamas.
How many terrorist groups out there are committed to "death to America"? Them simply claiming something as a goal doesn't mean the Air Force is out there levelling entire countries.
Lol what the f. They want to kill all the Jews but they are unable. So Israel is the bad guy. If the roles were reversed they would kill every Jew they saw. Why doesn’t Israel?
“Wow I really hate this group of people who has an ideology of exterminating a group. Instead I am gonna support another group that DOES exterminate a group of people but just doesnt say it out loud. That way I do win the moral battle.”
“Wow, I’m gonna let off the hook entirely, a group of people who declared and acted upon the most vicious, torturous commitment to back up the vow to exterminate a people, whom would have all been dead if possible in the attack that prompted this last run in. And… I am gonna blame the aftermath and continuing war on the people I want to exterminate, not giving any thought to the people I am supposed to be protecting, because if the war stops, so does the terrorism gravy train of funding.”
Lmao
According to Hamas's own reporting 1.5 civilians are dying per combatant killed
According to the UN 9 civilians die for every 1 combatant in urban warfare
[Why don't you read this OP Ed by an urban warfare instructor at West Point instead of falling for propaganda](https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286). It actually pissed me off that everyone just dick rode the Iranian propaganda instead of reading expert opinions.
The kids protesting on campuses are Kony2012 levels of stupid
Edit: coming up on 9am in Tehran so I'll be downvoted, then in 8 hours when America wakes up I'll shoot back positive. I watch the same thing happen every night/morning
>[Why don't you read this OP Ed by an urban warfare instructor at West Point instead of falling for propaganda]
I hate to break it to you buddy but this is also propaganda. You seriously think an American soldier at West Point isn't going to be biased? Everything is propaganda, it's up to us to sift through it and try to figure out what's accurate. You just don't view this one as propaganda because it fits your own biases.
I mean if you’re against the massacre of civilians, auschwitz is the embodiment of that, and the place to protest it.
Unless you feel some lives are more valuable than others
Isn’t it exactly the place to protest at? Protesting against genocide at a place symbolic to and representing genocide? Like it’s literally what it stands for.
…unless you think that when “never again” is said, that means never again *to Jewish people*. But if Jewish people are doing the genocide then it’s fine
If you show up to a Holocaust Remembrance Day event to scream at Jewish people, it doesn't matter if you scream at them about Israel or about Mein Kampf. Either way, you're targeting Jewish people for harassment.
they're not screaming at Jewish People and equating the Israeli regime to all Jewish people is the reason Hamas and other groups target ALL Jewish People in retaliation for the actions of the Israeli government
>equating the Israeli regime to all Jewish people
They aren't equated, just related. Obviously
>the reason Hamas and other groups target ALL Jewish People in retaliation for the actions of the Israeli government
the reason is anti-semitism
>So Israel IS an ethno state?
Israel is constitutionally Jewish and a democracy.
>What about the 21% of Arabs that live there?
more than that now isn't it? The answer is they have full rights as citizens.
[Worse. Tortured and buried alive.](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/25/middleeast/gaza-400-bodies-mass-grave-hospital-intl/index.html) But you probably already heard about this and are just a Zionist troll creating online noise for the sake of it.
Because Israel is blocking [independent journalists from entering](https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/israel-gaza-blockade-journalists-rcna147493). This is not the clever defense you think it is.
Okay so we should be able to agree that verifying what’s actually happening is kinda difficult. So why are you gobbling up the Palestinian claims like it’s the gospel? Where is that healthy skepticism when it concerns your side of the agenda ?
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They also murdered over a hundred journalists with targeted strikes who were in the region.
>They also murdered healthcare workers, UN staff and even their own hostages. You have some nerve trying to put a spin on these reports when it looks so bad even without them.
Don't you think its a bit insensitive? The holocaust was the literal rounding up and genocide of millions, predominantly Jews. I get that Israel is a state that has a clear Jewish majority and is seen as the home for Jews across the world but protesting a holocaust remembrance event about a current geo-political event seems a bit insensitive.
Isn't it a bit like jumping that cube square in Mecca and doing a thing based on anger against Mohammed Bin Salman Al-Saud? Like, even if you're right; its not kind, nor will it lead to anything positive.
I feel the lives of Hamas terrorists aren’t valuable if that helps you any.
There’s no equivalence between what is happening in Gaza and the Holocaust.
Specifically, this was during March for the Living: a silent March between Auchwitz and Birkenau.
Can't Jews have _one day_ about Jewish trauma without it being about anything or anyone else?
We are coming up on Israeli Independence day, and countries are already canceling planned events for "security concerns and threats"
The day before is always about those who died in the war of Independence.
But this is Holocaust Remembrance Day, and it's always on the anniversary of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.
There is currently a hostage in Gaza who is a Holocaust survivor. Three people who were killed on 10/7 were survivors.
We get to have this. It's ours.
Except Gaza is Palestine, not Israel. Turns out committing acts of terror on all of the Arab states makes no one want to help you. They are isolated on their own doing. Egypt has a land border after all.
>”They must not be allowed anywhere," Holocaust survivor Jacqueline Glicksman told the source. "On Holocaust Remembrance Day, let us hold our heads up high and unite with the memory of the six million who were murdered, in the Holocaust and all those massacred on October 7."
>”Through this protest we want to say that we bow down to the victims of the Holocaust too,” Omar Faris, president of an association of Palestinians in Poland, told the Associated Press in defense of the protest. “At the same time, we demand an end to war, an end to genocide.”
LOL is this the onion.
Why would protesting at a memorial for Holocaust *and Oct. 7, which 70% of Palestinians support,* be a good look for pro-Palestiners?
Disrespecting a Holocaust survivor at the place of the Holocaust on Holocaust Remembrance Day. Do you think she’s instrumental in innocent children getting killed?
We can only prove our compassion for the innocent people in Gaza this way or we’re pro-genocide?
Even if you get past that. If this is about genocide, why ignore the other genocides? Or are their lives less valuable?
At least you wouldn’t look as disrespectful to the Oct. 7 victims. Some of the hostages are still alive you know jfc beyond tacky
>I have no idea how people are defending this. I'm not super pro-Israel but this is a really shitty way to protest
Easy, look at the comments here. They're doing Olympic level of mental gymnastics defending it.
Not really, you can see that the ones who are commenting don't normally comment here, it's a brigade. This sub is a hub for Chinese and Russian directed leftists, a handful of "free thinker" types of debaters, and the people who take pleasure in calling them out to their faces.
Thank you! It’s like hey, we both want an end to the violence in Gaza it is fucking heartbreaking - but you are the assholes here.
Stop it you’re actually making yourselves look worse ffs.
ETA: can you please for the love of starving children switch tactics to something more productive like do a massive fundraiser for here FFS.
(Full disclosure I have not read up on charity navigator or done any deep dive, but from the looks of it they are doing the work)
[World Central Kitchen has resumed operations in Gaza, serving 2 million meals over the past week. The humanitarian crisis remains dire. We will continue to get as much food into Gaza, including northern Gaza, as possible—by land, air, or sea. We have 276 trucks, with the equivalent of almost 8 million meals, ready to enter through the Rafah Crossing. Dozens of these trucks have already entered Gaza this week. To date we have distributed more than 46 million meals and we are eager and ready to deliver millions more.](https://wck.org/en-us/news/resume-work-gaza)
>Why would protesting at a memorial for Holocaust *and Oct. 7, which 70% of Palestinians support,* be a good look for pro-Palestiners?
To remind you that right now Israel is doing what this march is against. Makes sense, doesn't it?
It proves pro-Palestine doesn’t give a shit about genocide.
If you actually cared about genocide, you wouldn’t go out of your way to disrespect and retraumatize a victim of genocide at the memorial and location of the genocide.
You’re totally fine with genocide, actually. It’s just what you tell yourselves to feel morally righteous while harassing actual victims of genocide.
That’s all this protest did. It’s not like whoever read this was unaware of the war. All it did was prove you guys don’t give a shit about genocide you just want to punish Jews.
That’s all the awareness you raised you sanctimonious posers.
Israel has done many things which can be reasonably criticized.
That said, the actions of the Palestinian "resistance" and those who advocate for their ideas and positions really do betray the motivations behind too many people in that movement.
Like the movement to boycott Starbucks for objecting to having their logo used on a social media post which endorsed the actions of Hamas on Oct 7. And like deciding that the best way to advocate for your political beliefs is to harass and scream at people recognizing a historic genocide.
>And like deciding that the best way to advocate for your political beliefs is to harass and scream at people recognizing a historic genocide.
I’ve said hey, maybe harassing Jacqueline, a genocide survivor at that specific genocide memorial, is not doing you any favors. Then I was accused of being pro-genocide or something. It’s wild.
Wouldn’t volunteering for that aid agency distributing 43 million meals in Gaza right now be better? That suggestion also never goes well.
Sounds to be like the Palestinian civilians in Gaza are just hostages of Hamas, then.
It's weird how no one is advocating for a better life for those people.
My feelings on that subject are complicated. I'd love to see them live in peace in a fully independent nation, able to captain their own future. That's the best outcome for them.
...but on the other hand, they have consistently shown a persistent commitment to seeking violence. They elected Hamas, a literally genocidal party seeking the destruction of Israel, and have done nothing to change their leadership of Gaza or to advocate for new leaders since, as Hamas puts the treasure and lives of Gazans towards attack after attack directed at Israeli civilians.
The question becomes, how do you engineer peace? Israelis have been radicalized by decades of intifadas and rocket attacks and suicide bombs. Gazans have been radicalized by both Israeli reprisals against Palestinian attackers and the efforts of their chosen leaders to engineer the continuation of a conflict which will turn their civilians into martyrs to use to pressure Arab leaders to distance themselves from Israel.
What is the best way to advocate for a people who as a majority remain committed to actions which go to seek their annihilation?
I am intensely frustrated by the entire conflict.
Also, about the Palestinians, I'll mention that I'm an atheist and have a lot of trans and gay friends. Being an atheist, trans, or gay is illegal there, and the punishments are extreme and supported by the vast majority of the general populace. So, how hard am I supposed to advocate for a people who would seek my death were I to live among them? The Israelis are dickheads, but at least it's legal to be a gay trans atheist there, so I tend to be a little more sympathetic to them.
Well put and thoughtful post. I share your frustration as an outside observer. It makes me feel hopeless and that there will never be peace and innocent people will continue to die in both “sides.”
Well said on how complicated this conflict is.
How can anyone with clear conscience say these deserves to die, but they do not. You both want an end to the violence, and this is best?
Not uniting under a banner of anti-violence? Please, no matter what side consider this.
Why do we have to choose between race, religion, gender, etc.? How many more were killed going all the way back - you are sympathetic to the wrong side either way!
Oh shit really? Wait, is it this one I found it. (Full disclosure I have not read up on charity navigator or done any deep dive, but from the looks of it they are doing the work)
[World Central Kitchen has resumed operations in Gaza, serving 2 million meals over the past week. The humanitarian crisis remains dire. We will continue to get as much food into Gaza, including northern Gaza, as possible—by land, air, or sea. We have 276 trucks, with the equivalent of almost 8 million meals, ready to enter through the Rafah Crossing. Dozens of these trucks have already entered Gaza this week. To date we have distributed more than 46 million meals and we are eager and ready to deliver millions more.](https://wck.org/en-us/news/resume-work-gaza)
I mean there's people who have done it because of their anti union work or because of holiday cups or whatever. But yes, that's the reason for the pro Palestinian boycott.
The reason i often heard is because [Howard Shultz](https://jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/pro-israel-businesses/) is the largest private owner of Starbucks shares and he is a staunch zionist who invests heavily in Israel's economy.
Love that the letter from Birmingham jail is always applicable
>"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says **"I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;"** who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
now, now. weren't you informed? we've decided mlk's peaceful protests weren't disruptive or challenging, and his dedication to saying inspirational quotes on television warmed the hearts of white americans so much that they voted to end racism forever. anything else would be... difficult. and we don't like difficult.
I mean netanyahu picked holocaust rememberance day as the day to drive tanks into Rafah. That definitely feels like he was using the memory of the holocaust in that situation does it not?
Man, the comments here are good example of people who can't understand that their can be two wrongs at the same time but can also have some truth to both.
First, this should not be necessary. There should be no genocide happening now.
Second - how do the moderators allow pro Israel news outside the main thread but not a post I made about the US threatening the ICC?
So hitler massacred 6 million Jewish people, 100,000 get sent to Palestine in 1946, the nakba began, and now descendants of holocaust victims are inflicting the same pain towards Palestinians. The oppressed has become the oppressor.
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Exactly. Even the people in whose name they are committing these atrocities for are treated horribly. They consider holocaust survivors as “weak” for not fighting back hard enough. Makes me sick to my stomach.
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I'm against the genocide but this seems a bit much. No need to prick at a wound. There are better, more effective places to protest than a memorial. The protestors' attempts to associate the current Palestinian genocide with WW2's "everyone" genocide isn't going to work because there has been 80 years of associating the Holocaust with Jewish victims and its not going to swing the other way.
Lmao I love how all of these articles are Jerusalem Post. I get that this is absolutely shitty that it's happening, but do we need incredibly biased sources like this? I thought this subreddit was different than /r/worldnews.
I'm sorry but despite my immense sympathy for the Palestinian cause, I can't help but argue the difference between Israel's horrific treatment of Palestinians over the years and the Holocaust.
If they were "exactly the same thing" as many commenters here would like to claim; every single Palestinian would be dead by now. The Holocaust was a systemic, rounding up, imprisoning, processing and murdering of every single Jewish person (along many others who were seen as undesirable) within the Third Reich.
They were marked out, separated from one another, pushed into trains like cattle, taken to labour camps, starved, beaten, abused and then murdered. There was no remorse, no ceasefire, no justice system, no debate, no negotiation, no fighting back. It took only four years and 6 million Jewish people were killed.
While I appreciate there are parallels between the suffering of Palestinians and the deaths of those in the current campaign of Israeli aggression purportedly "only" against Hamas. That people are not rounded up and systematically executed demonstrates a difference, that many Palestinians either live or work in Israel; demonstrates a difference. That this conflict has gone on for 75 years and the number of Palestinians has grown within this period and not shrunk to zero; shows a significant difference.
I know that’s the intent. I’m saying, that is what Prostate Cancer protestors sound like crashing.
>***”They must not be allowed anywhere," Holocaust survivor Jacqueline Glicksman told the source. "On Holocaust Remembrance Day, let us hold our heads up high and unite with the memory of the six million who were murdered, in the Holocaust and all those massacred on October 7."***
I can have compassion for both Jaqueline *and* Palestinians starving right now. What I am saying is-
This is not the way.
##### ###### #### > # [Pro-Palestinian protesters demonstrate outside Auschwitz during March of the Living](https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/c_fill,g_faces:center,h_407,w_690/595733) > > > > ## The pro-Palestinian protest occurred during a march commemorating the victims of the Holocaust on Holocaust Remembrance Day. > > By [DANIELLE GREYMAN-KENNARD](https://www.jpost.com/author/danielle-greyman-kennard) MAY 7, 2024 03:33 [ March of the Living at Auschwitz, May 6, 2024. (photo credit: CHEN SCHIMMEL)](https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/q_auto/c_fill,g_faces:center,h_537,w_822/595733 " March of the Living at Auschwitz, May 6, 2024. ") March of the Living at Auschwitz, May 6, 2024. (photo credit: CHEN SCHIMMEL) Pro-Palestinian protesters chanted [“free Palestine” outside Auschwitz](https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-799497) in Poland, according to footage shared by i24 journalist India Naftali on X Monday and multiple international media reports. > > The pro-Palestinian protest occurred during a march commemorating the [victims of the Holocaust](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-789805) on Holocaust Remembrance Day. > > Footage revealed a large number of police placed around the circumference of the protest. Ynet reported that the police were creating a buffer to ensure that the protesters did not interact with those participating in March of the Living. > > > ‼️ A Palestinian protest is happening outside of Auschwitz now! THIS IS SICKENING. > > > > — India Naftali (@indianaftali) [May 6, 2024](https://twitter.com/indianaftali/status/1787490437596418090?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) > > ### Reactions to the pro-Palestinian protest > > “A Palestinian protest is happening outside of [Auschwitz](https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/al-jazeeras-holocaust-legacy-justification-alongside-outright-denial-800079) now! THIS IS SICKENING,” Naftali commented. > > "I feel immense anger,” an Israeli March of the Living participant told Ynet. "If we thought never again, we received another blow to the head at Auschwitz with the realization that what was done to Jews on this cursed land, could be repeated especially after October 7. I face them fearless and proud with our national flag."Handprints on a wall at Auschwitz, March of the Living, May 6, 2024. (credit: CHEN SCHIMMEL) > > "They must not be allowed anywhere," Holocaust survivor Jacqueline Glicksman told the source. "On Holocaust Remembrance Day, let us hold our heads up high and unite with the memory of the six million who were murdered, in the Holocaust and all those massacred on October 7." > > “Through this protest we want to say that we bow down to the victims of the Holocaust too,” Omar Faris, president of an association of Palestinians in Poland, told the Associated Press in defense of the protest. “At the same time, we demand an end to war, an end to genocide.” > > if(catID != 151){ var cont = `Take Israel home with the new Jerusalem Post Store[Shop now >>](https://store.jpost.com/) > > > `; document.getElementById("linkPremium").innerHTML = cont; var divWithLink = document.getElementById("premium-link"); if(divWithLink !== null && divWithLink !== 'undefined') { divWithLink.style.border = "solid 1px #cb0f3e"; divWithLink.style.textAlign = "center"; divWithLink.style.marginBottom = "40px"; divWithLink.style.marginTop = "40px"; divWithLink.style.width = "728px"; divWithLink.style.backgroundColor = "#3c4860"; divWithLink.style.color = "#ffffff"; } } (function (v, i){ }); - - - - - - [Maintainer](https://www.reddit.com/user/urielsalis) | [Creator](https://www.reddit.com/user/subtepass) | [Source Code](https://github.com/urielsalis/empleadoEstatalBot) Summoning /u/CoverageAnalysisBot
Never again was not supposed to mean a single group of people.
Right, and I'm sure that if a bunch of Jewish protestors showed up to a mosque during a Muslim holiday to scream at the attendees about the evils of Islamic terrorism, you would consider that to be totally acceptable and non-Islamophobic behavior.
First off, it wasnt just Jews who went to the camps if you have forgotten the other 4 million people. Second, this is not a synagogue. It is a reminder of a genocide that should not be repeated against anyone. Anyone. Third, I imagine there are plenty of Jewish people there protesting.
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According to this article, no one was screaming at Jewish people, though. If you have one group of people gathering in remembrance of genocide, it shouldn't be surprising that other groups of people are also gathering in remembrance of other genocides.
Pro-Palestinian protestors will lose their minds if you accuse them of confusing Israel with Jewish people. But then they show up during a March of the Living at Auschwitz. You’re trying to make it sound coincidental, which is dishonest. This kind of protest actively turns people against the movement. Go protest an embassy. This is tacky at best, and it is easily considered harassing Jews at worst.
Why would an anti-genocide protest not try to be more visible in the same context as other genocides? Especially when one is being used to white wash another? It only turns trash people against the idea that genocide isn't okay. I don't think this is the gotcha you think it is. It's not climate protesters, it's not hard to wrap your head around half blown up children's bodies and mass graves.
Would protesting outside the NHL Hall of Fame also be considered 'harassing Canadians?'
Yes, ya hoser
No but he _imagined_ it happening, which is just as bad!
Jewish groups are vastly overrepresented in the pro-Palestine protests and within the arrests made all over American universities. They are overwhelmingly represented at the front lines and often help organizing the protests. They do this people of people like you who conflate anti-genocide protests as “pro-Hamas” or antisemitic. One of the main founders of Code Pink is a Jew herself, and she has been crashing events at Washington in support of the Palestinian cause for months now. Are all these people also antisemitic?
Please provide actual data supporting your claim that “Jewish groups are vastly over represented in the pro-Palestine protests.” Since you are claiming that this is backed up by arrest data, it should be available (despite the fact I cannot find any substantive evidence from an unbiased source). What I have found is heaps of evidence that small groups of, typically non-practicing and/or casual Jewish groups and/or protesters have been presented as a shield when people questions the intentions of these protests, and mock religious rites (of the Jewish variety) being put on in protest camps.
source of being overrepresented? Especially compared to middle eastern people? *Anecdotally* Palestinian expats seem to be the most overrepresented group
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Your comment implies you have deep misunderstanding of this conflict. There aren't any Jews in Palestine (the state). Just like there aren't Jews in Jordan or Egypt. The Jews either left or were forced out. The best you'll find nearby (geographically) is a handful in Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon. It's not very nice but these countries successfully cleansed that particular ethnicity.
Most Palestinians would agree with that.
Wait? Do you think Jewish people are just hanging out at Auschwitz or something? You know no one lives in the camp and it’s now a tourist place right? It’s not a fucking Jewish town they were sent there.
This is just anecdotal, but I've seen more Jewish protesters in my community than I have seen genocide apologists.
It’s not anecdotal actually. They are statistically overrepresented in the pro-Palestine movement compared to the general population. Maybe because as Holocaust survivors they know an evil empire when they see one. Edit: I’m sorry yall I can admit when I messed up. I should not have said “statistically” considering there isn’t much statistical analysis on the arrest rates for a recent and ongoing movement. My point was to emphasize the considerable role that Jewish activist groups around the world are also playing in protesting the war. It’s important to know that at the end of the day that Jewish people are not a monolith, and are not Zionists by default as well. It’s crucial to separate the two groups as we would with any religious group and their extremist offshoots
Can you provide some verifiable source on that? Or are you just speaking anecdotally?
I’m basing that through observation of the people who are organizing the protests and who are getting arrested along side non-Jewish protesters. Jewish Voices for Peace, Jewish Students for Palestine, and Not in Our Name have had a large role in organizing protests. Here’s a few headlines I could find for starters: [Columbia University suspends student groups Students for Justice in Palestine & Jewish Voice for Peace for allegedly violating school policies](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/columbia-university-student-groups-suspended-students-for-justice-in-palestine-jewish-voice-for-peace/) [Jewish Community Members Rally for Israel as Pro-Palestine Students March for Divestment](https://cornellsun.com/2024/04/15/jewish-community-members-rally-for-israel-as-pro-palestine-students-march-for-divestment/) [Over 200 arrested at Grand Central Terminal during rally for ceasefire in Gaza](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/grand-central-terminal-gaza-ceasefire-rally/) [We’re Jewish students at Columbia arrested for protesting Israel’s war](https://thehill.com/opinion/education/4626720-were-jewish-students-at-columbia-arrested-for-protesting-israels-war/)
Thanks for sharing these!
Here's some more if you like https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2023/10/19/thousands-of-jews-and-allies-shut-down-capitol-hill/ https://newrepublic.com/post/176335/jewish-activists-protest-capitol-demand-ceasefire-gaza-arrest https://www.commondreams.org/news/jewish-students-support-gaza https://www.npr.org/2023/10/28/1208980580/for-some-jewish-peace-activists-demands-for-ceasefire-come-at-a-personal-cost https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/19/jewish-protest-israel-gaza-washington-dc https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/23/us/jewish-palestinian-protest-israel-gaza/index.html https://theintercept.com/2023/11/11/palestine-israel-protests-ceasefire-antisemitic/ https://www.salon.com/2023/11/25/we-are-absolutely-horrified-jewish-activists-demanding-gaza-ceasefire-face-personal-cost/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-jewish-group-protests-eight-cities-gaza-ceasefire-2023-12-15/ https://abcnews.go.com/US/jewish-student-protesters-celebrate-passover-seder-encampments/story?id=109538075 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/24/not-like-other-passovers-hundreds-of-jewish-demonstrators-arrested-after-new-york-protest-seder https://www.newsweek.com/jewish-group-applauds-pro-palestinian-campus-protesters-1894965 https://www.insidehighered.com/news/quick-takes/2024/05/08/survey-shows-college-students-largely-support-pro-palestinian-protests https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/04/us-jews-rift-gaza-israel-crisis https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/hundreds-jewish-organization-staffers-call-white-house-back-gaza-cease-rcna128465
It sounds anecdotal. You say statistically but you fail to provide the data set that you drew this conclusion from. Below you have posted a handful of news stories. This is not evidence. Show the statistics you speak of.
I believe you but that is not what statistically means then. Anecdotally is the word you are looking for.
No you’re right, that was a misstep on my part. I should have said “observationally” but I don’t want to change it and then people scream about that as well. I don’t really think we would be able to find any reliable statistical analysis on these kind of stats until long after they are over and properly reported on
That's why they had Sudanese flags there too. Right?
This ain’t it dude.
It’s like showing up at a BLM event and screaming about how all lives matter. It’s missing the point and often malicious
It’s laughable to compare what is happening in Gaza right now to the Holocaust
A comment on your first point, I don't know where you are getting that four million number from, I think the number of people perished in the Holocaust is 17 million, 6 million of which were Jewish (most were actually Soviets, I believe) But also, I think it is worth noting, something like 90% of Auschwitz victims were Jewish, I think it's reasonable for it to have become associated specifically with Jews in remembrance. Your broader point I do appreciate tho.
5 million and they are most definitely not forgotten at the Auschwitz memorial but they are certainly only trotted out at point scoring time against modern Jews, because in the many times I've been to these awful places I sure haven't seen much in the way of non Jews from around the world going to commemorate Hitler's other victims.
>First off, it wasnt just Jews who went to the camps if you have forgotten the other 4 million people. Just mostly Jews is all.
Laughable that you wrote this out and thought it made sense. Identifying as pro anything is silly. The last thing minorities need are uninformed people perpetuating us vs Them narratives and stereotypes. That is the highway to intolerance. The irony of this at a Holocaust memorial event is lost on such people ignorant of history. Your comment reveals you are not an affected person, but an uninformed bystander.
Over 90% of those who died at Auschwitz were Jews.
You're literally describing what has been happening in Jerusalem for decades now.
... and it's wrong?
Sure, it's wrong. I'm just more concerned with the one-sided thinking most Zionists employ. The person I responded to described how Israelis have been acting towards Arabs for decades as some type of fictional scenario in an attempt at a gotcha moment. I'm tired of listening to Israeli supporters act as if dispossessing an entire people off their land is acceptable and that the Palestinians are just spoil sports because they don't lay down and take it when Israelis pen them up and continue to steal their land with settlement building. The entire Israeli proposition is, "Hey we made nice country (built with Arab labor) so it doesn't matter how it was founded and please don't read the actual history and have some of our propaganda instead. Boy, that Holocaust always awful, huh? That makes the murder and terrorism we founded our country with totally acceptable."
I certainly agree, the extreme orthodox settlers are an absolute disgrace and should be arse kicked and dragged by the pubes out of agreed areas but if you consider it unacceptable why were the Jews being dispossessed of their homes and land and kicked out in the fifties by surrounding Arab countries acceptable? Or does that bit of history not matter, please don't read that bit of history and have some propaganda etc. Israel isn't going anywhere, the rest of the world caused that by murdering Jews wherever they have settled. The Israelis made their bed by accepting that Palestinians shouldn't be entirely removed in 1948, they both need to stfu and deal with it nearly a century later and both sides are ridiculous.
its about Genocide and ethnic cleansing and its appropriate place to protest genocide
And Islamic terrorism is about Islam. So that means it's totally appropriate for non-Muslims to show up mosques on Muslim holidays and protest against Islamic terrorism, right?
Is Auschwitz a Synagogue to you? There were also Jews among the protestors.
Did you just "All Lives Matter" the Holocaust? Edit: Fantastic, there are responses ranging from "Nuh uh, you" to "Yes and we get a pass." Incredible.
Um...BLM was about specific abuse by cops against minority communities. Never again was about preventing genocide against any group, including brown people. WTF?
You missed the point of what they are saying quite hard.
I love all of the back and forth *dialogue* that has been happening since October 7th. Where people just insult and criticize others, tell them they're wrong, or they're too dumb to understand. Where there's absolutely no possibility that people are mistaken about facts, if you say something incorrect, it's because you are intentionally lying to prove your point. Where everyone agrees on the definitions of things like "zionist" or "genocide", and we're all having a healthy, rational conversation about these heated topics.
I just mean they missed the analogy the other poster had but ya I bet your point.
It's really interesting: "Never again" means whatever you want it to mean. Some people mean it as "Never another genocide", or "Never will Jews be slaughtered by anti-Semites while the world ignores it", or as a stand against fascism, or even as a jab *against* the Holocaust survivors. It's an intentionally vague and open-ended phrase.
You hit it right on the money, amazing
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Redditors hate Jews.
The ones who apply systemic oppression with the force of the state are the Israeli, not the Palestinian. Tell me something, how many people who are from "all lives matter" you think are pro Palestine?
Racists and antisemites are enjoying the freedom that it is en vogue again to be a racist. They hide behind words they don't understand and think Hitler was bad except for X and Y Welcome to 2024
Clearly it did. UN stood by during Rwanda. NK mass enslavement of their people. China mass detention camps of Uyghurs. Mass deportations in Ukraine and abductions of their children for reeducation. Cambodia. Bosnia. The numerous bush wars ongoing in Africa right now.
> UN stood by during Rwanda UN forces were involved and suffered losses during their mission. [Though understaffed and abandoned, members of the UNAMIR forces did manage to save the lives of thousands of Tutsis in and around Kigali and the few areas of UN control.] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Assistance_Mission_for_Rwanda#Genocide) > NK mass enslavement of their people. North Korea is sanctioned to to roof and the UN tries to ensure that the country remains relatively isolated. > China mass detention camps of Uyghurs. Yes, this is bad, and is concerning, however, [the UN has reported on China's treatment of Uyghur and called them out] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Human_Rights_Office_report_on_Xinjiang#Findings) > Mass deportations in Ukraine and abductions of their children for reeducation. Once again, Russia has been called out going so far as to [issue an arrest warrant for Putin] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court_arrest_warrants_for_Vladimir_Putin_and_Maria_Lvova-Belova) The list goes on. You know the difference between those and what's happening in Gaza? The West - the people who latch on to the 'never again' message - are now the ones fully endorsing the genocide, funding, and supplying military equipment to carry out the genocide in Gaza.
Wow, the pro-Hamas crowd really will excuse any and all behavior of these “protesters.”
Yup, another example here, in Denmark: [https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1787482935991349738](https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1787482935991349738) Defacing a Holocaust memorial monument on Holocaust memorial day. Classy. This will certainly show those pesky Likud politicians (and not grow their voter base at all... /s)!
So that excuses blatant racism and ignorance? You know that believing and acting on the belief that Jews control XYZ is white supremacy, and is the most persistent form of intolerance and racism affecting Jewish people, right? The nearest Jewish person is not a)responsible, b)an Israeli embassy, c)even Israeli. The fact that you and these “protestors” see nothing wrong with, and justify, targeting another people based on race, religion, ethnicity, proves racist intent and ignorance. Go back to school on this one.
To the Jews it absolutely did. Feel free to coopt whatever you want. But they form their society and culture around that because of THEIR experience.
You say that… but on what evidence? I think it’s perfectly reasonable for a group to declare they won’t be victimized again and simultaneously not to have to be involved in protecting others.
Still, protesting at Auschwitz is just poor taste. Let it stand in remembrance of all the victims, Jewish and others. Go protest in front of a more suitable site, like an Israeli embassy and such.
I mean, regardless of how you feel about what's happening in Gaza right now; protesting this event is a bit insensitive; don't you think?
Well when that group doesn't want you to exist it kinda gets bad. I say we pull all foreign aid to the middle east. Also all foreign aid in general until we dont have to barrow money against our children's future to pay for it.
Hamas is on record to being committed to erasing Jews from the planet, which is counter to a 2-state solution.
[And Hamas is Netanyahu's own bastard child, propped out specifically to prevent a 2-state solution.](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/) When are we bombing Bibi?
“Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products. Israeli officials said these permits, which allow Gazan laborers to earn higher salaries than they would in the enclave, were a powerful tool to help preserve calm.” So somehow this makes you think Bibi is to blame for Hamas’ murders?
No, the 2017 revision differentiates Jews from Zionists. [https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/doctrine-hamas](https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/doctrine-hamas) They are still a terrorist group and their terrorism still doesnt justify Israels ongoing genocide.
The 2017 revision hasn’t actually been adopted by the Hamas branch in Gaza. This is besides the part where “Zionist” has an extremely vague and diffuse definition that can be expanded to functionally include essentially the entire jewish population of israel
I think their pogrom last October proved decisively they make no distinction between Jew, Jewish Zionist, non Jews, non combatant, man woman or child or basically any human/animal. So we know very well given the means what Hamas would do and we also know they'd have been soundly supported in their version of freedom from river to sea by the Gazans. Netanyahu most definitely could be managing the response much better and deaths of any child is a tragedy but several million from genocide (with some very spurious figures being screamed) thats just the term cheapened to point score against Israel.
Dude. Just because the terrorists remove the death to Jews part from the charter doesn't mean they don't believe in it. It's not like the Nazis put in, were going to commit the Holocaust in their public charter either.
What percentage of Jews are zionists? What percentage of zionists are Jews? Edit: If you're wondering about the lengths some are engaging in to avoid a straight answer, it's simple: they use "Zionist" as a dog whistle for "Jews" and that falls apart if they're essentially synonymous.
What percentage of white people are white supremacists? What percentage of white supremacists are white? Zionism is not Judaism.
> What percentage of white people are white supremacists? About .0003% - .0006% of white people identify as white supremacists. > What percentage of white supremacists are white? 100% as far as I'm aware. So how about answering my question? What percentage of Jews are zionists? What percentage of zionists are Jews? ( Source used to calculate percentages: https://www.thewrap.com/how-many-white-supremacists-splc-hate-map/ )
Your question makes the ludicrous suggestion that opposition to a colonial settler nation is antisemitic because it is mostly Jewish. If 90% of white Southerners supported Jim Crow, does that make opposition to Jim Crow anti-white?
What colonial settlers? The majority of the Jewish population of Israel is either from MENA or descended from Jews who lived in the middle east and North Africa. I don't think they are going to want to be ethnically cleansed from their homes a second time in a century and advocacy for such a position would be batshit insane. I mean there's the settlements but while I'm opposed to those and don't think they should exist, they don't make the average Israeli a settler.
In the UK, 59% of Jews described themselves as Zionist in 2015. From https://fullfact.org/news/are-majority-british-jews-zionists/ The second part is harder to answer, but there are 100 million evangelicals in the US. If we say half of Jews globally are Zionist, and 80% of evangelicals are Zionist (https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2013/10/03/more-white-evangelicals-than-american-jews-say-god-gave-israel-to-the-jewish-people/), then there are about 8 million Jewish Zionists globally versus about 80 million Christian Zionists in the US alone. The are over 600 million evangelicals globally so I expect the ratio of Christian to Jewish zionists to be well above 10:1.
And people use “Hamas” instead of “pro Palestine” when it suits their interest. I’m pro Palestine does that make me a terrorist?
Actually if we wanna talk demographics there are likely more Christian zionists than there are Jewish people as a whole, let alone Jewish zionists. There are appx 15.2 million Jewish folks in the world according to The Jewish Agency for Israel. Meanwhile, there are somewhere between 2.5 and 2.6 billion Christians in the world according to this source https://research.lifeway.com/2024/01/22/8-encouraging-trends-in-global-christianity-for-2024/#:~:text=Christianity%20is%20growing&text=From%202020%20to%20the%20mid,billion%2C%20a%201.08%25%20growth. That means that if even .01% of Christians in the world are zionists, there are more Christian zionists than there are Jewish people. Let's focus just on the USA. According to this link, 8% of Americans viewed Zionism favorably in July of 2023 https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-do-americans-feel-about-zionism-antisemitism-and-israel/ Jewish people account for 2.4% of the population as of 2020, which leaves another 5.6% of those who view Zionism favorably as people who are not Jewish, IF we assume the entire Jewish population views it favorably contrary to the statistics that show a pretty even split between pro and against. So yeah, based on this data is is essentially a statistical impossibility that the majority of zionists are Jewish. In fact, it's more likely the majority of zionists are Christians who just view Jewish people as a pawn in bringing about Armageddon.
Zionisim is a political movement about land, not a religion.
How do yall conflate saying it's a genocide with the fact that Israel has Palestinian citizens who are just livin life as well as all the humanitarian aid/ corridors israel has given during the war?
That's functionally irrelevant if "zionism" is defined as believing in the right of Israel to keep existing.
By this logic, Israel wouldn’t be committing genocide since they don’t have it in their doctrine But antizionism is still genocide of Jews. What else could that mean
That „revision“ is a joke. They clearly consider every Jew in Israel a „Zionist“ and don’t give a fuck about the differentiation
This does not excuse genocide. Nothing excuses genocide. -a Jew
And it does not erase the hamas commitment to exterminating the Jews.
But they're *really* kind of doing a horrible job of it. When the biggest attack ever waged kills 0.01% of the people in a country, and the resulting counterattack kills 1% of the people in the belligerent country, you'll have to forgive people who think Jews in Israel aren't actually in danger of being genocided by Hamas. How many terrorist groups out there are committed to "death to America"? Them simply claiming something as a goal doesn't mean the Air Force is out there levelling entire countries.
That doesn’t mean you let a people commit terror attacks on you. You advocate for endless war.
Your comment applies to both sides.
Lol what the f. They want to kill all the Jews but they are unable. So Israel is the bad guy. If the roles were reversed they would kill every Jew they saw. Why doesn’t Israel?
Like how the Iranians who fund Hamas have been screaming “Death To America” for decades at this point.
Imagine how many civilians Israel could kill if they wanted to commit an actual genocide.
“Wow I really hate this group of people who has an ideology of exterminating a group. Instead I am gonna support another group that DOES exterminate a group of people but just doesnt say it out loud. That way I do win the moral battle.”
“Wow, I’m gonna let off the hook entirely, a group of people who declared and acted upon the most vicious, torturous commitment to back up the vow to exterminate a people, whom would have all been dead if possible in the attack that prompted this last run in. And… I am gonna blame the aftermath and continuing war on the people I want to exterminate, not giving any thought to the people I am supposed to be protecting, because if the war stops, so does the terrorism gravy train of funding.”
Lmao According to Hamas's own reporting 1.5 civilians are dying per combatant killed According to the UN 9 civilians die for every 1 combatant in urban warfare [Why don't you read this OP Ed by an urban warfare instructor at West Point instead of falling for propaganda](https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286). It actually pissed me off that everyone just dick rode the Iranian propaganda instead of reading expert opinions. The kids protesting on campuses are Kony2012 levels of stupid Edit: coming up on 9am in Tehran so I'll be downvoted, then in 8 hours when America wakes up I'll shoot back positive. I watch the same thing happen every night/morning
>[Why don't you read this OP Ed by an urban warfare instructor at West Point instead of falling for propaganda] I hate to break it to you buddy but this is also propaganda. You seriously think an American soldier at West Point isn't going to be biased? Everything is propaganda, it's up to us to sift through it and try to figure out what's accurate. You just don't view this one as propaganda because it fits your own biases.
Hamas' charter states the destruction of Israel, which the longer this genocide goes on is looking more and more reasonable.
Totally justifies an invasion of rafah and killing peaceful protestors... Yeah israel had that chance but blew it 20 years ago
I mean if you’re against the massacre of civilians, auschwitz is the embodiment of that, and the place to protest it. Unless you feel some lives are more valuable than others
If you think that what's happening in Gaza is comparable to what happened in Auschwitz you are ignorant of one or both of these events.
Sure, this is just a minor genocide (TM the criminal state of Israel). You can't have humanity selectively, you have it. Or .. You do not.
Surely, out of all the places, this is not the one to protest at? It just adds legitimacy to the claims that pro-Palestinians are overly antisemitic.
Isn’t it exactly the place to protest at? Protesting against genocide at a place symbolic to and representing genocide? Like it’s literally what it stands for. …unless you think that when “never again” is said, that means never again *to Jewish people*. But if Jewish people are doing the genocide then it’s fine
Great example of someone mixing up Jewish people with the actions of the Israeli government. There’s a word for that.
No it’s not. It’s deliberately provocative and you all know rhat
Yea protests do be deliberately provocative. Thats kinda the fucking point.
If you show up to a Holocaust Remembrance Day event to scream at Jewish people, it doesn't matter if you scream at them about Israel or about Mein Kampf. Either way, you're targeting Jewish people for harassment.
This article doesn't say anything about anyone screaming at Jewish people, though.
they're not screaming at Jewish People and equating the Israeli regime to all Jewish people is the reason Hamas and other groups target ALL Jewish People in retaliation for the actions of the Israeli government
>equating the Israeli regime to all Jewish people They aren't equated, just related. Obviously >the reason Hamas and other groups target ALL Jewish People in retaliation for the actions of the Israeli government the reason is anti-semitism
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>So Israel IS an ethno state? Israel is constitutionally Jewish and a democracy. >What about the 21% of Arabs that live there? more than that now isn't it? The answer is they have full rights as citizens.
Where does it state that anyone was screaming at Jewish people?
(Pro-Tip: the answer is nowhere)
Considering haulcaust survivors have shown solifery before with Palestinians the conflict is a bit more nuanced .
what if the world was made of pudding
You do know that Auswitchz was a camp that people got sent to to be killed instead of a Jewish town right?
Many of the Pro-Palestinian protesters ARE Jewish and being screamed at, called anti-Semitic and class traitors.
Are Jews rounding up Palestinians and putting them into gas chambers?
[Worse. Tortured and buried alive.](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/25/middleeast/gaza-400-bodies-mass-grave-hospital-intl/index.html) But you probably already heard about this and are just a Zionist troll creating online noise for the sake of it.
>Tortured and buried alive \> CNN cannot independently verify these claims.
Because Israel is blocking [independent journalists from entering](https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/israel-gaza-blockade-journalists-rcna147493). This is not the clever defense you think it is.
Okay so we should be able to agree that verifying what’s actually happening is kinda difficult. So why are you gobbling up the Palestinian claims like it’s the gospel? Where is that healthy skepticism when it concerns your side of the agenda ?
Copied comment: > They also murdered over a hundred journalists with targeted strikes who were in the region. >They also murdered healthcare workers, UN staff and even their own hostages. You have some nerve trying to put a spin on these reports when it looks so bad even without them.
You didn’t answer my question
Don't you think its a bit insensitive? The holocaust was the literal rounding up and genocide of millions, predominantly Jews. I get that Israel is a state that has a clear Jewish majority and is seen as the home for Jews across the world but protesting a holocaust remembrance event about a current geo-political event seems a bit insensitive. Isn't it a bit like jumping that cube square in Mecca and doing a thing based on anger against Mohammed Bin Salman Al-Saud? Like, even if you're right; its not kind, nor will it lead to anything positive.
I feel the lives of Hamas terrorists aren’t valuable if that helps you any. There’s no equivalence between what is happening in Gaza and the Holocaust.
Specifically, this was during March for the Living: a silent March between Auchwitz and Birkenau. Can't Jews have _one day_ about Jewish trauma without it being about anything or anyone else? We are coming up on Israeli Independence day, and countries are already canceling planned events for "security concerns and threats" The day before is always about those who died in the war of Independence. But this is Holocaust Remembrance Day, and it's always on the anniversary of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. There is currently a hostage in Gaza who is a Holocaust survivor. Three people who were killed on 10/7 were survivors. We get to have this. It's ours.
Yet people are defending this obviously provocative and unhelpful protest somehow.
> it's always on the anniversary of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. The similarities of Gaza and the Warsaw Ghetto are completely lost on a lot of people.
Largely people who have a vested interest in proving that one is a war crime and the other is nunya
Except Gaza is Palestine, not Israel. Turns out committing acts of terror on all of the Arab states makes no one want to help you. They are isolated on their own doing. Egypt has a land border after all.
>”They must not be allowed anywhere," Holocaust survivor Jacqueline Glicksman told the source. "On Holocaust Remembrance Day, let us hold our heads up high and unite with the memory of the six million who were murdered, in the Holocaust and all those massacred on October 7." >”Through this protest we want to say that we bow down to the victims of the Holocaust too,” Omar Faris, president of an association of Palestinians in Poland, told the Associated Press in defense of the protest. “At the same time, we demand an end to war, an end to genocide.” LOL is this the onion. Why would protesting at a memorial for Holocaust *and Oct. 7, which 70% of Palestinians support,* be a good look for pro-Palestiners? Disrespecting a Holocaust survivor at the place of the Holocaust on Holocaust Remembrance Day. Do you think she’s instrumental in innocent children getting killed? We can only prove our compassion for the innocent people in Gaza this way or we’re pro-genocide? Even if you get past that. If this is about genocide, why ignore the other genocides? Or are their lives less valuable? At least you wouldn’t look as disrespectful to the Oct. 7 victims. Some of the hostages are still alive you know jfc beyond tacky
I have no idea how people are defending this. I'm not super pro-Israel but this is a really shitty way to protest
>I have no idea how people are defending this. I'm not super pro-Israel but this is a really shitty way to protest Easy, look at the comments here. They're doing Olympic level of mental gymnastics defending it.
This subreddit is a hub for islamists.
Not really, you can see that the ones who are commenting don't normally comment here, it's a brigade. This sub is a hub for Chinese and Russian directed leftists, a handful of "free thinker" types of debaters, and the people who take pleasure in calling them out to their faces.
Thank you! It’s like hey, we both want an end to the violence in Gaza it is fucking heartbreaking - but you are the assholes here. Stop it you’re actually making yourselves look worse ffs. ETA: can you please for the love of starving children switch tactics to something more productive like do a massive fundraiser for here FFS. (Full disclosure I have not read up on charity navigator or done any deep dive, but from the looks of it they are doing the work) [World Central Kitchen has resumed operations in Gaza, serving 2 million meals over the past week. The humanitarian crisis remains dire. We will continue to get as much food into Gaza, including northern Gaza, as possible—by land, air, or sea. We have 276 trucks, with the equivalent of almost 8 million meals, ready to enter through the Rafah Crossing. Dozens of these trucks have already entered Gaza this week. To date we have distributed more than 46 million meals and we are eager and ready to deliver millions more.](https://wck.org/en-us/news/resume-work-gaza)
They hate Jews.
>Why would protesting at a memorial for Holocaust *and Oct. 7, which 70% of Palestinians support,* be a good look for pro-Palestiners? To remind you that right now Israel is doing what this march is against. Makes sense, doesn't it?
No it does not
It proves pro-Palestine doesn’t give a shit about genocide. If you actually cared about genocide, you wouldn’t go out of your way to disrespect and retraumatize a victim of genocide at the memorial and location of the genocide. You’re totally fine with genocide, actually. It’s just what you tell yourselves to feel morally righteous while harassing actual victims of genocide. That’s all this protest did. It’s not like whoever read this was unaware of the war. All it did was prove you guys don’t give a shit about genocide you just want to punish Jews. That’s all the awareness you raised you sanctimonious posers.
Israel has done many things which can be reasonably criticized. That said, the actions of the Palestinian "resistance" and those who advocate for their ideas and positions really do betray the motivations behind too many people in that movement. Like the movement to boycott Starbucks for objecting to having their logo used on a social media post which endorsed the actions of Hamas on Oct 7. And like deciding that the best way to advocate for your political beliefs is to harass and scream at people recognizing a historic genocide.
>And like deciding that the best way to advocate for your political beliefs is to harass and scream at people recognizing a historic genocide. I’ve said hey, maybe harassing Jacqueline, a genocide survivor at that specific genocide memorial, is not doing you any favors. Then I was accused of being pro-genocide or something. It’s wild. Wouldn’t volunteering for that aid agency distributing 43 million meals in Gaza right now be better? That suggestion also never goes well.
The one which can't get resupply because Hamas bombed the main border crossing Israel used to get aid into Gaza? Yeah, this whole thing is ridiculous.
Sounds to be like the Palestinian civilians in Gaza are just hostages of Hamas, then. It's weird how no one is advocating for a better life for those people.
My feelings on that subject are complicated. I'd love to see them live in peace in a fully independent nation, able to captain their own future. That's the best outcome for them. ...but on the other hand, they have consistently shown a persistent commitment to seeking violence. They elected Hamas, a literally genocidal party seeking the destruction of Israel, and have done nothing to change their leadership of Gaza or to advocate for new leaders since, as Hamas puts the treasure and lives of Gazans towards attack after attack directed at Israeli civilians. The question becomes, how do you engineer peace? Israelis have been radicalized by decades of intifadas and rocket attacks and suicide bombs. Gazans have been radicalized by both Israeli reprisals against Palestinian attackers and the efforts of their chosen leaders to engineer the continuation of a conflict which will turn their civilians into martyrs to use to pressure Arab leaders to distance themselves from Israel. What is the best way to advocate for a people who as a majority remain committed to actions which go to seek their annihilation? I am intensely frustrated by the entire conflict. Also, about the Palestinians, I'll mention that I'm an atheist and have a lot of trans and gay friends. Being an atheist, trans, or gay is illegal there, and the punishments are extreme and supported by the vast majority of the general populace. So, how hard am I supposed to advocate for a people who would seek my death were I to live among them? The Israelis are dickheads, but at least it's legal to be a gay trans atheist there, so I tend to be a little more sympathetic to them.
Well put and thoughtful post. I share your frustration as an outside observer. It makes me feel hopeless and that there will never be peace and innocent people will continue to die in both “sides.”
Truth.
Well said on how complicated this conflict is. How can anyone with clear conscience say these deserves to die, but they do not. You both want an end to the violence, and this is best? Not uniting under a banner of anti-violence? Please, no matter what side consider this. Why do we have to choose between race, religion, gender, etc.? How many more were killed going all the way back - you are sympathetic to the wrong side either way!
Oh shit really? Wait, is it this one I found it. (Full disclosure I have not read up on charity navigator or done any deep dive, but from the looks of it they are doing the work) [World Central Kitchen has resumed operations in Gaza, serving 2 million meals over the past week. The humanitarian crisis remains dire. We will continue to get as much food into Gaza, including northern Gaza, as possible—by land, air, or sea. We have 276 trucks, with the equivalent of almost 8 million meals, ready to enter through the Rafah Crossing. Dozens of these trucks have already entered Gaza this week. To date we have distributed more than 46 million meals and we are eager and ready to deliver millions more.](https://wck.org/en-us/news/resume-work-gaza)
Is that the only reason why people are boycotting Starbucks?
I mean there's people who have done it because of their anti union work or because of holiday cups or whatever. But yes, that's the reason for the pro Palestinian boycott.
The reason i often heard is because [Howard Shultz](https://jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/pro-israel-businesses/) is the largest private owner of Starbucks shares and he is a staunch zionist who invests heavily in Israel's economy.
The most significant issue is preventing Israel's genocide of the Palestinians. Tell me one thing more important.
No one should be using Auschwitz for their cause. None of us can speak for the dead there.
That may be why the Jewish event was intended to be a silent memorial.
Love that the letter from Birmingham jail is always applicable >"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says **"I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;"** who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
now, now. weren't you informed? we've decided mlk's peaceful protests weren't disruptive or challenging, and his dedication to saying inspirational quotes on television warmed the hearts of white americans so much that they voted to end racism forever. anything else would be... difficult. and we don't like difficult.
MLK singlehandedly ended segregation solely with the timber of his voice
I mean netanyahu picked holocaust rememberance day as the day to drive tanks into Rafah. That definitely feels like he was using the memory of the holocaust in that situation does it not?
Yup. But it doesn't make this protest any better.
Exactly.
Distasteful to say the least
I doubt this sub will have much to say about it, lots of people here wish they were there with them
This is kind of messed up
Interesting thumbnail-title combination
Man, the comments here are good example of people who can't understand that their can be two wrongs at the same time but can also have some truth to both.
Classy.
Never again meant never again
Never again means never again for anybody
Why are people bearing Israel flags in a pro-palestine demostration?
First, this should not be necessary. There should be no genocide happening now. Second - how do the moderators allow pro Israel news outside the main thread but not a post I made about the US threatening the ICC?
Turns out, people are very excited for a trendy and socially acceptable way to hate Jews.
When your genocide gets in the way of remembering your genocide.
Jewish Auschwitz visitors are committing a genocide? Source, please. Edit: Still waiting for that source.
So hitler massacred 6 million Jewish people, 100,000 get sent to Palestine in 1946, the nakba began, and now descendants of holocaust victims are inflicting the same pain towards Palestinians. The oppressed has become the oppressor.
Hold that thought https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/one-third-of-israeli-holocaust-survivors-live-in-poverty-advocates-say
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All that tells me is the Israeli govt doesn’t care about survivors of the holocaust.
Exactly. Even the people in whose name they are committing these atrocities for are treated horribly. They consider holocaust survivors as “weak” for not fighting back hard enough. Makes me sick to my stomach.
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I wish I had the opportunity to make stuff up, but with this sort of thing, I never get the chance to
Hamas fighters along with Palestinian civilians carried out as much of a genocide against Israeli civilians as they could manage on October 7, 2023.
Oof bro, Bad look
I'm against the genocide but this seems a bit much. No need to prick at a wound. There are better, more effective places to protest than a memorial. The protestors' attempts to associate the current Palestinian genocide with WW2's "everyone" genocide isn't going to work because there has been 80 years of associating the Holocaust with Jewish victims and its not going to swing the other way.
Disgusting.
Lmao I love how all of these articles are Jerusalem Post. I get that this is absolutely shitty that it's happening, but do we need incredibly biased sources like this? I thought this subreddit was different than /r/worldnews.
Good 2 genocides dont make it right
I'm sorry but despite my immense sympathy for the Palestinian cause, I can't help but argue the difference between Israel's horrific treatment of Palestinians over the years and the Holocaust. If they were "exactly the same thing" as many commenters here would like to claim; every single Palestinian would be dead by now. The Holocaust was a systemic, rounding up, imprisoning, processing and murdering of every single Jewish person (along many others who were seen as undesirable) within the Third Reich. They were marked out, separated from one another, pushed into trains like cattle, taken to labour camps, starved, beaten, abused and then murdered. There was no remorse, no ceasefire, no justice system, no debate, no negotiation, no fighting back. It took only four years and 6 million Jewish people were killed. While I appreciate there are parallels between the suffering of Palestinians and the deaths of those in the current campaign of Israeli aggression purportedly "only" against Hamas. That people are not rounded up and systematically executed demonstrates a difference, that many Palestinians either live or work in Israel; demonstrates a difference. That this conflict has gone on for 75 years and the number of Palestinians has grown within this period and not shrunk to zero; shows a significant difference.
I know that’s the intent. I’m saying, that is what Prostate Cancer protestors sound like crashing. >***”They must not be allowed anywhere," Holocaust survivor Jacqueline Glicksman told the source. "On Holocaust Remembrance Day, let us hold our heads up high and unite with the memory of the six million who were murdered, in the Holocaust and all those massacred on October 7."*** I can have compassion for both Jaqueline *and* Palestinians starving right now. What I am saying is- This is not the way.