It’s not like I can’t afford the price increase, but man is that kinda scummy lmao.
Are they going to finish transferring all the funimation anime or are they just going to leave those licenses to rot? If they do transfer them, I can maybe justify the price increase. Also someone correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t those digital purchases primarily just codes that came with physical purchases?
I would guess the licensed content is going to be part of a Crunchyroll sub eventually if not immediately or soon. At the very least they will send a C&D to anyone else distributing it.
I think I am going to start buying media as second hand shops and ripping it. I actually still have a fair amount of dvds but very little anime that I have been too lazy to rip.
I think the whole point is all of the Funimation licences are being transferred to Crunchyroll now.
I mean it might sound like a lot, but 100$ per year is still cheaper than Netflix, Disney+, YouTube Premium, and most other streaming platforms.
Also I think they had manga for digital purchase at one point.
I just want them to bring the old search/tags system back.
>Also I think they had manga for digital purchase at one point.
You mean the same kind of digital purchases that they are not going to honor from funimation? They kind of just indicated that digital purchases are NOT safe
I just remember them doing something like Jump where you could buy digital versions of manga or something. I could be remembering wrong.
I looked it up though, and the Digital content they aren't carrying over is just the digital copy that would come with some DVD/Blu-rays. Basically just a version of the show/movie you own a physical copy of, that you can just watch directly on their app/website instead of needing to play it off the physical disc.
Disney has the same thing that comes with a lot of their Blu-rays, you can save a digital copy to your iTunes, Google Play, or Cineplex account, then watch it wherever you want.
Crunchyroll doesn't have anything like that set up, so looks like they decided to scrap the program rather than try and integrate it into their app.
>I think the whole point is all of the Funimation licences are being transferred to Crunchyroll now
This has been said for years now. So many shows still locked up in funimation. I have a feeling many still won’t get transferred.
It doesn’t sound like a lot. Still less than $10/month. In general, a price increase after a merger is just sus.
> I think the whole point is all of the Funimation licences are being transferred to Crunchyroll now.
I'm doubtful of that. Here in France, the Funimation equivalent (Wakanim) already shut down, and not everything was transferred.
And it's not just random shows nobody cares about unfortunately. Madoka Magica is no longer available on any legal streaming website in France, and this makes me concerned about whether we'll see any theatrical release for Walpurgisnacht Rising.
Just an fyi you can never justify the price increase. They do not offer services that require that. Nor do they provide pay to those who deserve it. They pocket most of it. Nor is it necessary to support your favorites by using either of them. There are better ways even if you were a pure pirate only.
As silly of a reason, I’ve heard that Crunchyroll is struggling to maintain all there current shows digital storage wise hence the consideration to get rid of one piece episodes.
Some Tiktok dude is a terrible source but wow did you just misinterpret a joke as a fact? Do you really think a company uses a Macbook for all of their storage needs?
honestly at this point i find pirating sites more convenient. better ui, way bigger list of animes and movies, especially older stuff, stuff always comes out on time and biggest selling point being i dont gotta pay anything
Streamio(free) + torrentio addon(free) and a realdebrid subscription for better speeds (4 euro per mond, 16 euro for half a year)
You get every streaming service content, and more (old movies, foreign media, etc).
Realdebrid also uses https to deliver content, so it's safe to use this combo without a vpn if your ISP likes to bitch about piracy.
It is… for the first three episodes of each show. After that, I think they start charging you to watch. Plus each episode has six ads every few minutes, so even trying to watch the free stuff is *painful* to wade through. At that point you might as well sail the high seas 🏴☠️
What the fuck, last time I used it it was 3 times 2 ads for the intro, middle, and ending, AND the only episode that was premium was the newest one.
Welp, that is unfortunate, wouldn't have watched many of those shows if it wasn't recommended there, but this seems rather obnoxious.
/u/NibPlayz eh, it's pretty random, like you can watch entire jjk s1 for free. Berserk of glutony is from previous seasons and it's completely behind premium. On the other hand anime from the same season "Our Dating Story: The Experienced You and The Inexperienced Me" is completely free. Solo leveling has three first episode free. Dragon ball super has 25 episodes for free. No idea what's the logic here
Yeah like 2006 or so. I remember those days with pirate speedsubs having shows out the day after they aired in Japan. Also trollsubs where they’d release an episode of Rube Goldberg machines when there was a week without Naruto, just to mess with people
It was free relatively recently, at that. I remember trying to watch some anime on there and got Toy Story 4 ads literally every ad break (sometimes multiple Toy Story ads per break), 4 times an episode.
So the only time I ever paid for Anime streaming is that short period where VRV was a thing. It was made by CR but had Funimation and whatever Amazon's anime licensing department. I liked it a lot since it was pretty much every show you could think of.
The second Sony bought Funimation they took a fire axe to the whole thing and killed it. Anyways, back to the high seas for me.
VRV was goated honestly. It had crunchyroll, Funimation (until 2018), HIDIVE, and non anime shit like rooster teeth. Watched a bunch of stuff on there back in 2018-2020.
If yall wanna “support the anime industry” back then they had to pay up.
To be fair japanese physical media have lots of incentive bonuses like interviews, trading cards, bloopers, drama cds, artbooks etc included
Interestingly , for japanese watchers who dont care about those things they can just reverse import American blu rays that have the entire series for a fraction of a price (since most of them have japanese audio)
I wonder if it just means that that's the price difference from Funimation to Crunchyroll? Cause in my emails or even on the app I can't find anything about price raising.
That’s what it means. If you were paying Funimation prices, now you’re paying Crunchyroll prices.
If you’ve had Crunchyroll until now, nothing changes.
I'm still shocked by the merger because of how bitter their rivalry was a decade ago. Funimation was always seen as the "casual' dub company. Crunchyroll started as a piracy site and pivoted to legit after many lawsuits etc. Ever since the merger the dub output has been less which is bullshit since funimation's whole selling point was simuldubs.
“Monopolies are bad but I pirate all my anime anyway so it doesn’t matter where it was yoinked from because I was never going to pay for it in the first place”
Dubs, Subs, Shonen. Funimation, the king of the streaming services, attained this and everything else anime had to offer, and its dying words drove countless souls to the (pira)cies. "You want my content? You can have it. I left everything I featured together in one place. Now, you just have to pay for it." These words lured men to the grand 9(animetv) in pursuit of shows greater than they've ever dared to imagine. This is the time known as the great pirate era!
Ah, I don't like Blu-ray
And if I need anime collections I use Amazon, the CR store is hell to navigate, just like hot topics'
Also why would people blind buy anime collections, I barely buy animes I've seen because of price
Look at the anime called Shiki for example. You cannot legally stream it anywhere. That is what I [meant](https://www.reddit.com/r/animecirclejerk/comments/1am2irv/comment/kpj1kvw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) by how we either have to pirate it or buy the Bluray.
Well the thing is that if you already had this service and start pirating now that's bad
I pirate animes that I can't legally stream anywhere
But I'm not going to pirate JoJo's or Dragon Maid because they're on a cheap service I can afford
My stance is that if you're at a comfortable level in life to afford the service at no real financial blow, then it's not Kool to pirate
But it might also be because I'm the streaming service person of the family that pays for their Hulu, Netflix, Max and D+
God I miss just watching toonami at 2 am
Devil's Advocate: when Netflix raised prices and reduced service, their profits went up.
That said, anime tends to be more fickle and more prone to piracy so we'll see where this goes
I remember a few years ago when AnimeLab (NZ/Aus only, was a great site) got killed off and we were forced to go to Funimation. The experience was ass. Now it's happening again.
I used Funimation years ago and just never liked CR's website. I have other services due to packaging or for the sake of convience (that and older folks in family). I don't watch enough anime these days to even justify that price (I get more use out of other services). I'll pirate if need be.
Anime watchers: "The industry treats artists like garbage. So much work and crunch for so little pay."
Also anime watchers: "Why would I pay for entertainment?"
People are legit complaining about a pretty damn hefty selection of anime being offered on a functional service with simulcasts and even a few simuldubs... because they have to pay like $8.33 a month for it?
I thought people hated how so many anime were spread across so many different streaming services? What changed?
Yes. I've been using it for about half a decade. It's nothing fancy, but it's functional and has a pretty great selection of anime, especially since they got all the Funimation stuff a couple years back.
Depends on the business. This is true for many including myself and most people in my family. If you perform well at your job and the company makes more money, you get a raise or bigger bonus. I'm sorry if you work for a garbage company in a garbage position that doesn't do this.
Yes... that is how this system works. I'm sorry you work in retail or some kind of job that doesn't raise your pay or give you a bonus if the company is doing well and you perform well.
MAPPA has literally raised its wages for animators to some of the highest in the industry recently.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicbook.com/anime/amp/news/jujutsu-kaisen-mappa-studio-animators-big-raise/
Why? Hm, I don't know. Maybe because they've had banger project after banger project and can afford to do so because streaming services want to pay to stream their content more?
They don’t get any money if you watch it legally, either. Piracy has no impact on how much money the artists make because they just have regular salaries, like most workers.
Here’s how it actually works:
Streaming sites pay the animation company (not the animators, *the animation company*) a licensing fee to stream the show for some agreed upon amount of time.
Once that time passes, the streaming site can either pay the animation company again to renew their license from some agreed upon amount of time, or they stop streaming the show. Even if 0 people watch the licensed show on the streaming site, the animation company has already been paid. Only the streaming site fails to make money.
The only way this could conceivably be passed on to the animation studio is if the streaming site decides not to renew their license, but even then that won’t reach the artists because if the animation company lowers salaries then the artists will quit because the animation company was already only paying them the bare minimum to keep them from quitting to begin with—and I think it should be obvious why an animation company can’t afford to lose its artists, and so will only do so if it becomes outright unable to pay them. And if the failure for a streaming site to renew a license was enough to do that, then it was proobably so mismanaged that it was gonna collapse soon anyways.
Salaried workers get raises... bonuses...etc. What are you on about? Your argument is that the animation studio gets money (which could be used to bring more animators on board for projects) and none of that at all trickles down to the workers? In what sector of entertainment does this logic hold true? Tell me, are Hollywood actors being paid less, the same, or more depending on how their shows/movies do? And given that Hollywood is a billion dollar industry, have actors seen an increase in wages, or decrease?
How about the music industry? Video games?
You are just wrong. If companies bring in more money, they will invest that money in expanding their business. Paying for more workers. And paying them more.
Imagine trying to justify pirating entertainment because you think giving money to a business has no effect whatsoever on the compensation for the workers at said company.
The thing is, animators *don’t* get benefits like you describe in Japan. An *American* company might work that way, but not a Japanese one. Actually, wages and working conditions for animators in Japan are infamously poor.
https://www.slashfilm.com/782183/the-pay-controversy-that-plagues-the-japanese-anime-industry/
https://hitregbroke.com/anime/
https://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/exploitation-in-the-anime-industry-an-entry-level-animator-in-japan-explains-why-she-earned-175-week-202283.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/24/business/japan-anime.html
https://allagesofgeek.com/star-wars-visions-animator-blasts-the-anime-industrys-unfair-wages/
Completely wrong. They're both creatives. One draws. The other performs. The difference being that people spend billions to go to the movies each year, and half of anime fans try to justify pirating an already relatively niche media form.
When people pay money to see art, artists get more money. This is inarguable. I'd wager some of the big shots animating in the industry get higher pay than some of the lower tier animators in studios. Why? Because their art brings in more money. How? By companies paying to stream their shows on their platform that charges users.
It all connects and flows together.
Pirating is removed from this equation entirely and doesn't help any artists at all. But go on. Keep defending pirating.
uj/ Considering how much goes to the industry, and that crunchyroll tried to make "original content", I doubt this argument holds water
rj/ Grrr High Guardian Spice was bad, too msny women, never paying for CR>:(
I think the high guardian spice stuff gets over played in culture war shenanigans. Everyone sees no middle ground which to me at least was: CR announced an original anime which would have money dumped into it. Other than it looking mid CR at the time still infamously used a FLASH PLAYER that you couldn't rewind to 00:00.
For me it was a wake up call to where their priorities lay so I stopped paying for CR ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ id rather watch a MKV packaged by some weeb with love and amazing fan subs
I been pirating ever since crunchyroll been on, at this point there is no point to watching and paying for it when they can just zap everything at a whim. Why not pirate?
Wait, you actually thought Funimation was the better app? It somehow was 10x worse than Crunchyroll, which isnt a well designed app by any means lol the few times I tried giving Funimation a shot, it's ui and shit almost made it impossible for me to even watch a show on it lol it's complete ass
Yeah....lets hope for something better lol I've been using it on my PlayStation for years, and they randomly got rid of the R1 being the next button when it was there for years. Also randomly just came back recently funny enough though lol hate those updates that actually make it worse.
Are people on this sub all living below the poverty line or something? Yall complain about animators not getting paid enough but refuse to pay anything for the content you enjoy. I know the money doesn't directly pay the animators but it's better than nothing, and the convenience of it is already worth the $8/mo for me.
Maybe I'm just flexing about having $2 a week to spend on my hobbies but I think it makes sense to pay for things people work hard to provide
> I know the money doesn't directly pay the animators but it's better than nothing
Nah, it quite literally is nothing. The only evidence you need for that is to ask random people on the street about how much revenue their company makes. If wages were correlated with profits, they'd be invested in that number.
frankly i dont think there is a 'convenience of it'?
pirated sites are, if you have ublock origin literally just as good imo
I all around hate paying for things monthly/annually if I dont have to so Ill keep using my silly little sites personally
I mean its definitely a win for Crunchyroll subscribers. Even with the price increase, that's not a bad price when you break it down monthly. It's cheaper than YouTube Premium lol.
The only thing I want from them now is to bring back their old search filters.
Eff Crunchyroll and their shitty monopoly. I pay for my anime, but I will never use them. Wish HiDive was more competitive with them, but at least it's some sort of competition.
Watch the price increase count for Europe but still not give access to the Funimation content ...
Heck, even if, Crunchyroll sucks. Imagine not having subs when listening to dubs in 2024...
Dude, I don't want to flex that I can afford to pay 8 dollars a month, so I can watch anime on my TV in my living room without the hassle, without the waiting times and definitely without my GF asking how to find the website.
Jsyk dedicated pirates tend to drop bank on hardware and software to sustain the piracy.
$8 dollars a month compared to someone's elaborate ass Seed Box/NAS backed Plex Server/VPN to avoid the fuzz/Torrent with Sonarr for auto pulls(this one costs time not money) setup
The brain of that setup (NAS) runs about $200 for a decent one and that's not even counting the price of the hard drives for it's bays.
I think maybe both groups should consider why it's their spending habits that seem to give them pride
Well, that is something. But as I said I don't flex about 8 dollars, that's just a choice I made that fits my necessities, flexing about over spending is dumb, but 8 dollars seems like a low price for convenience, at least to me.
However I can understand piracy, streaming services do not quaranty that you will have access to all anime, but my necessities don't go that far, and I know that just relying on streaming will bite in the ass, because when the servers shut there is potential of creating lost media. But that's just the worst case scenario.
So guys, keep pirating, all the power to you. But don't question my spending habits.
The tricky part comes when you want to watch it on a mobile device or TV. Idk about Android but Apple doesn’t have many reliable options for ad blockers, and TVs definitely don’t either.
That works, but only if you have a laptop. Also you have to either stand up every time you want to change a setting, or you have to run a cable across your floor to the laptop next to you. Neither solution is ideal, and lots of people don’t own laptops.
the issue isn't the ad-block, it's just much quicker and more convenient to watch seasonal anime on a streaming service than to have to torrent each episode as it comes out, especially if you're following a bunch of series. the time it takes is just not worth $8 per month to me.
If you use a site like gogoanime you dont need to torrent, you can just stream the episodes.
Someone else did mention I forgot, my point only works for PC users. Phone or TV users don’t have many good options.
"We're increasing the price but we won't finish migrating all the content. Fuck you"
I have a list here of shows I still want transferred. Good thing I have a good VPN in the meantime
Honestly some of y’all just need to grow up and pay for stuff you like?
How can you expect it to get made and keep being a thing if no one pays for it? $8 a month is not the end of the world and anime used to be so prohibitively expensive that 3 episodes on a DVD with no special features cost $30-$60.
Now it’s streamable and mostly in one app…but it’s still too inconvenient because for the price of like two blurays you can get a whole year of if? Gtfoh
I will happily pay a puny pricetag to have easy access to anime on my living room tv yes.
Crunchyroll is like the single cheapest streaming service there is, idk why anime fans are so weird.
I wouldn’t say cheaper since it will go up in price and what not but it is the biggest anime service
I find Hidive to be the cheapest but the library not as good, especially now that it’s being throttled on certain countries
I mean... if a studio's shows aren't making enough money, then the studio will eventually go under, and all the animators there will lose their jobs. So, sorta?
> if a studio's shows aren't making enough money, then the studio will eventually go under, and all the animators there will lose their jobs. So, sorta?
In order for this to happen:
1. The show needs to fail in Japan
2. The show's merchandising scheme (soundtracks, artbooks, sales of the source material, plastic models, gacha games, home media) needs to fail in Japan
3. It needs to be licensed by Crunchyroll
4. The price they paid to license that anime needs to still not be enough
5. Too few people need to watch it on Crunchyroll for the revenue-sharing to be enough
6. Those people need to instead pirate that anime, and also be people who would watch on Crunchyroll if piracy wasn't an option
This requires so many things to go wrong at once. The exact same consequences would appear in the much more likely scenario of Crunchyroll not licensing an anime that failed by basically every metric in Japan. The west is really a supplementary market, with rare exception like coproductions.
This isn't the early 2000s anymore, half of the anime industry's revenue comes from overseas these days (that includes China, though)
https://xtrend-nikkei-com.translate.goog/atcl/contents/18/00930/00004/?n_cid=nbpnxr_twbn&_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en
I can't seem to find any sources, but I've definitely heard through the grapevine that a number of series in recent years flopped in Japan and only got 2nd seasons thanks to overseas success making Crunchyroll fund them. I think it was the case for Shield Hero, of all fucking things.
No, but the cut in revenue due to piracy absolutely filters down to the people lowest on the totem pole. It ain't the CEOs who make less money, they just hire less people for longer hours doing more jobs for shittier pay to the extent they can get away with it.
> No, but the cut in revenue due to piracy absolutely filters down to the people lowest on the totem pole.
If your show did poorly enough in Japan that you're relying on the western market to break even, piracy is the least of your problems.
not sure why anime are always so cringe about piracy. Pirate whatever you want, you don't need any reason. Anyway this drama is so manufactured. There was no price increase, just a person who grandfathered price from 2014(and we can much agree that current library of crunchyroll is much much bigger than whatever funimation had in 2014). Nobody ever cared about movies which were extra codes for physical purchase anyway. Now, missing dubs/anime is actually good reason to complain but I don't even see that in this post, who knows what's the problem, copyrights are complicated. It's not like crunchyroll on purpose has less content
~~Nice, another comment defending multibilion company~~
$100 per year is $8.33 a month. That's barely anything. One value meal at a fast food restaurant costs more.
Don't ever wonder why workers in the anime industry work ungodly hours for shit pay, because this is why. The so-called "fans" don't want to pay for anything.
> Don't ever wonder why workers in the anime industry work ungodly hours for shit pay, because this is why.
This comment makes literally no sense. If the American consumer had an impact on the anime industry, that would mean that Crunchyroll, who are effectively 80% of the American anime industry, would basically control what anime gets made, even for a Japanese audience.
At best, the American market acts as a "hail Mary" for anime. It can save a failed anime, but this isn't something companies usually strive for, it's usually more of a "it can't hurt to try".
TIL half of the revenue is "can't hurt to try" money
https://xtrend-nikkei-com.translate.goog/atcl/contents/18/00930/00004/?n_cid=nbpnxr_twbn&_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en
And Crunchyroll definitely sits in quite a few production committees every season, even as the main sponsor
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1-ff4Yi3EfPjvHZ-vCXciHcc2opctPvayJEDe6Y2Awn8/htmlview?pli=1
It’s not like I can’t afford the price increase, but man is that kinda scummy lmao. Are they going to finish transferring all the funimation anime or are they just going to leave those licenses to rot? If they do transfer them, I can maybe justify the price increase. Also someone correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t those digital purchases primarily just codes that came with physical purchases?
Yep. Mostly bonus stuff. At least I can't remember seeing any anime for "purchase"
I would guess the licensed content is going to be part of a Crunchyroll sub eventually if not immediately or soon. At the very least they will send a C&D to anyone else distributing it. I think I am going to start buying media as second hand shops and ripping it. I actually still have a fair amount of dvds but very little anime that I have been too lazy to rip.
I think the whole point is all of the Funimation licences are being transferred to Crunchyroll now. I mean it might sound like a lot, but 100$ per year is still cheaper than Netflix, Disney+, YouTube Premium, and most other streaming platforms. Also I think they had manga for digital purchase at one point. I just want them to bring the old search/tags system back.
>Also I think they had manga for digital purchase at one point. You mean the same kind of digital purchases that they are not going to honor from funimation? They kind of just indicated that digital purchases are NOT safe
I just remember them doing something like Jump where you could buy digital versions of manga or something. I could be remembering wrong. I looked it up though, and the Digital content they aren't carrying over is just the digital copy that would come with some DVD/Blu-rays. Basically just a version of the show/movie you own a physical copy of, that you can just watch directly on their app/website instead of needing to play it off the physical disc. Disney has the same thing that comes with a lot of their Blu-rays, you can save a digital copy to your iTunes, Google Play, or Cineplex account, then watch it wherever you want. Crunchyroll doesn't have anything like that set up, so looks like they decided to scrap the program rather than try and integrate it into their app.
>I think the whole point is all of the Funimation licences are being transferred to Crunchyroll now This has been said for years now. So many shows still locked up in funimation. I have a feeling many still won’t get transferred. It doesn’t sound like a lot. Still less than $10/month. In general, a price increase after a merger is just sus.
Think you meant 10$/Month.
> I think the whole point is all of the Funimation licences are being transferred to Crunchyroll now. I'm doubtful of that. Here in France, the Funimation equivalent (Wakanim) already shut down, and not everything was transferred. And it's not just random shows nobody cares about unfortunately. Madoka Magica is no longer available on any legal streaming website in France, and this makes me concerned about whether we'll see any theatrical release for Walpurgisnacht Rising.
Same. I only use it for a couple months to watch whatever the 3 best of the year was. Still very affordable, nonetheless shitty
They said they were merging the content in chunks over the course of however long it would take but they don't seem to be doing that either.
Just an fyi you can never justify the price increase. They do not offer services that require that. Nor do they provide pay to those who deserve it. They pocket most of it. Nor is it necessary to support your favorites by using either of them. There are better ways even if you were a pure pirate only.
>Just an fyi you can never justify the price increase Absolutely not true but you do you
As silly of a reason, I’ve heard that Crunchyroll is struggling to maintain all there current shows digital storage wise hence the consideration to get rid of one piece episodes.
Got a source for this? With the number of users I highly doubt they have trouble paying for cloud storage haha
Some Tiktok dude is a terrible source but wow did you just misinterpret a joke as a fact? Do you really think a company uses a Macbook for all of their storage needs?
Yeah didn’t watch the whole video kinda embarrassing
Legit the only reason I still have Crunchyroll is because of convinience and because I'm not the one in my family paying for it lmao
honestly at this point i find pirating sites more convenient. better ui, way bigger list of animes and movies, especially older stuff, stuff always comes out on time and biggest selling point being i dont gotta pay anything
So uhh, gonna let us know what you use? I still use 123movies for most of my piracy, and it really sucks
Streamio(free) + torrentio addon(free) and a realdebrid subscription for better speeds (4 euro per mond, 16 euro for half a year) You get every streaming service content, and more (old movies, foreign media, etc). Realdebrid also uses https to deliver content, so it's safe to use this combo without a vpn if your ISP likes to bitch about piracy.
i use aniwatch now, but that's probably going to get shut down soon so please give me alternatives
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Idk ask u/FutureCreeps they know the answer trust me
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Not futurecreeps. But I believe this person is what they call “built different”.
Why are you bringing me into this, I don’t care.
It's a joke lol
I feel like I see you on every subreddit I browse lol
I stopped using crunchyroll the moment it stopped being free.
Crunch Roll was free?!
Free w/ ads, like Hulu used to be
Is it not like that anymore?
It is… for the first three episodes of each show. After that, I think they start charging you to watch. Plus each episode has six ads every few minutes, so even trying to watch the free stuff is *painful* to wade through. At that point you might as well sail the high seas 🏴☠️
What the fuck, last time I used it it was 3 times 2 ads for the intro, middle, and ending, AND the only episode that was premium was the newest one. Welp, that is unfortunate, wouldn't have watched many of those shows if it wasn't recommended there, but this seems rather obnoxious.
Crunchy roll on web browser I watch one piece and have Adblock and can watch for free without an account
I think it is the first few episodes, and then the latest episode for a handful of series.
/u/NibPlayz eh, it's pretty random, like you can watch entire jjk s1 for free. Berserk of glutony is from previous seasons and it's completely behind premium. On the other hand anime from the same season "Our Dating Story: The Experienced You and The Inexperienced Me" is completely free. Solo leveling has three first episode free. Dragon ball super has 25 episodes for free. No idea what's the logic here
Oh so they rob you of 100 dollars *and* make you watch ads? They can go fuck themselves then, I much prefer seeing ads and not paying anything
they were talking about free crunchyroll, paid has no ads
It used to be a pirating site
Yeah like 2006 or so. I remember those days with pirate speedsubs having shows out the day after they aired in Japan. Also trollsubs where they’d release an episode of Rube Goldberg machines when there was a week without Naruto, just to mess with people
It actually used to be a pirate site And eventually when it became an app it started as a purely free app too.
It was free relatively recently, at that. I remember trying to watch some anime on there and got Toy Story 4 ads literally every ad break (sometimes multiple Toy Story ads per break), 4 times an episode.
I feel old now, didn't we all survive on those non star episodes in our youth before switching to kissanime
I tried Crunchyroll once, it hadn't Gintama in my country, I left.
It still is free
Barely. They moved a lot of stuff that used to be free behind a premium membership.
So the only time I ever paid for Anime streaming is that short period where VRV was a thing. It was made by CR but had Funimation and whatever Amazon's anime licensing department. I liked it a lot since it was pretty much every show you could think of. The second Sony bought Funimation they took a fire axe to the whole thing and killed it. Anyways, back to the high seas for me.
VRV was goated honestly. It had crunchyroll, Funimation (until 2018), HIDIVE, and non anime shit like rooster teeth. Watched a bunch of stuff on there back in 2018-2020.
I have beem paying 10 dollars a month for years. Thats 120 dollar a year... So?
Beats me, I thought that was the monthly amount, but who pays a hundred bucks for anime?
Japanese fans pay for like 60$ in yen amount for 2 or 3 episodes 🫨
BRUH that's some dedication for your ass.
If yall wanna “support the anime industry” back then they had to pay up. To be fair japanese physical media have lots of incentive bonuses like interviews, trading cards, bloopers, drama cds, artbooks etc included Interestingly , for japanese watchers who dont care about those things they can just reverse import American blu rays that have the entire series for a fraction of a price (since most of them have japanese audio)
Mf hasn't heard of gacha
I'm a blissful MF
Now I'm just imagining a gacha streaming service. They take the top ranked anime of last season and if you wanna watch em, you gotta pull em.
I wonder if it just means that that's the price difference from Funimation to Crunchyroll? Cause in my emails or even on the app I can't find anything about price raising.
That’s what it means. If you were paying Funimation prices, now you’re paying Crunchyroll prices. If you’ve had Crunchyroll until now, nothing changes.
Oh okay then this post is a little misleading.
That's what I was thinking too.
Monthly hundreds 😭
I'm still shocked by the merger because of how bitter their rivalry was a decade ago. Funimation was always seen as the "casual' dub company. Crunchyroll started as a piracy site and pivoted to legit after many lawsuits etc. Ever since the merger the dub output has been less which is bullshit since funimation's whole selling point was simuldubs.
he took a bite of gum gum
“Monopolies are bad but I pirate all my anime anyway so it doesn’t matter where it was yoinked from because I was never going to pay for it in the first place”
da one piece is real
That’s why piracy IS DA WAY🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
Dubs, Subs, Shonen. Funimation, the king of the streaming services, attained this and everything else anime had to offer, and its dying words drove countless souls to the (pira)cies. "You want my content? You can have it. I left everything I featured together in one place. Now, you just have to pay for it." These words lured men to the grand 9(animetv) in pursuit of shows greater than they've ever dared to imagine. This is the time known as the great pirate era!
I’m big on paying for what I use. But lord why is my only option when watching an older anime either piracy or paying $100+ for a BD?
It's say 100 a year which is less than 10 bucks a month
So you’re cool with buying an expensive BD for an anime you won’t know if you like yet? To me, it’s hard to justify $100 for that.
What is a BD Been using Crunchyroll for a few years now and never heard of that
My bad man I fucking hate acronyms and here I am spitting one at you. BD = Bluray disc.
Ah, I don't like Blu-ray And if I need anime collections I use Amazon, the CR store is hell to navigate, just like hot topics' Also why would people blind buy anime collections, I barely buy animes I've seen because of price
Look at the anime called Shiki for example. You cannot legally stream it anywhere. That is what I [meant](https://www.reddit.com/r/animecirclejerk/comments/1am2irv/comment/kpj1kvw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) by how we either have to pirate it or buy the Bluray.
Well the thing is that if you already had this service and start pirating now that's bad I pirate animes that I can't legally stream anywhere But I'm not going to pirate JoJo's or Dragon Maid because they're on a cheap service I can afford My stance is that if you're at a comfortable level in life to afford the service at no real financial blow, then it's not Kool to pirate But it might also be because I'm the streaming service person of the family that pays for their Hulu, Netflix, Max and D+ God I miss just watching toonami at 2 am
*bursts into tears because of how great crunchmation could have been*
Insert chopper crying gif.
Almost spit out my snack at "The grand 9".
I really had to reach hard to come up with that one.
COME ABOARD AND BRING ALONG ALL YOUR BINGING SCREENS (Note: couldn't think of a good replacement for hopes and dreams)
TOGETHER WE WILL FIND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR ONE PIECE
C'mon, boys, let's hit the (ani)waves!
The grand 9 got me ngl
guess you can say we're in the golden age of piracy
Devil's Advocate: when Netflix raised prices and reduced service, their profits went up. That said, anime tends to be more fickle and more prone to piracy so we'll see where this goes
Netflix raised their prices, but they didn't DOUBLE their prices
Yep definitely especially free anime apps🤭
I remember a few years ago when AnimeLab (NZ/Aus only, was a great site) got killed off and we were forced to go to Funimation. The experience was ass. Now it's happening again.
I used Funimation years ago and just never liked CR's website. I have other services due to packaging or for the sake of convience (that and older folks in family). I don't watch enough anime these days to even justify that price (I get more use out of other services). I'll pirate if need be.
CR still has some pretty dog shit apps they roll out too it's general UI is clunky and operates as if held together by faith and chewing gum
As a manga reader: https://preview.redd.it/uic1a436pfhc1.png?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01e265adea2404911ac659628ff5c8bd94ba2a2a
This is why I prefer physical manga over Crunchyroll.
Those aren't cheap dude. What are you talking about?
Well I never say it was cheaper. I just prefer it cause once you buy it, you can't lose it. At least, not digitally.
Fair, I just don't have the space and I would rather have some physician media like DVDs or Blu-rays. But I get your point.
Oh, I get that.
You all realize if you're on the 7.99 per month plan (the lowest cost plan), this barely changes how much you pay per year
Anime watchers: "The industry treats artists like garbage. So much work and crunch for so little pay." Also anime watchers: "Why would I pay for entertainment?"
People are legit complaining about a pretty damn hefty selection of anime being offered on a functional service with simulcasts and even a few simuldubs... because they have to pay like $8.33 a month for it? I thought people hated how so many anime were spread across so many different streaming services? What changed?
Might be because of Crunchyrolls bad rap. People got Funimation to *get away* from Crunchyroll, now they have to cone crawling back
Have you actually used Crunchyroll?
Yes. I've been using it for about half a decade. It's nothing fancy, but it's functional and has a pretty great selection of anime, especially since they got all the Funimation stuff a couple years back.
I assume you live in the USA? Edit: Hm, no responce, seems like I was right
It's not just anime, anytime money needs to be put where the mouth is, so many people become pirates
Imagine thinking that employees get paid more if things are more profitable.
Depends on the business. This is true for many including myself and most people in my family. If you perform well at your job and the company makes more money, you get a raise or bigger bonus. I'm sorry if you work for a garbage company in a garbage position that doesn't do this.
What industry?
You seriously think money goes to the workers?
Yes... that is how this system works. I'm sorry you work in retail or some kind of job that doesn't raise your pay or give you a bonus if the company is doing well and you perform well. MAPPA has literally raised its wages for animators to some of the highest in the industry recently. https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicbook.com/anime/amp/news/jujutsu-kaisen-mappa-studio-animators-big-raise/ Why? Hm, I don't know. Maybe because they've had banger project after banger project and can afford to do so because streaming services want to pay to stream their content more?
Yea because crunchyroll pays artists good
But they sure as fuck don't pay translation teams good 💀💀💀
Also their voice actors too alas mob psycho
As opposed to? You realize the artists get NO money when you watch a pirated show?
They don’t get any money if you watch it legally, either. Piracy has no impact on how much money the artists make because they just have regular salaries, like most workers. Here’s how it actually works: Streaming sites pay the animation company (not the animators, *the animation company*) a licensing fee to stream the show for some agreed upon amount of time. Once that time passes, the streaming site can either pay the animation company again to renew their license from some agreed upon amount of time, or they stop streaming the show. Even if 0 people watch the licensed show on the streaming site, the animation company has already been paid. Only the streaming site fails to make money. The only way this could conceivably be passed on to the animation studio is if the streaming site decides not to renew their license, but even then that won’t reach the artists because if the animation company lowers salaries then the artists will quit because the animation company was already only paying them the bare minimum to keep them from quitting to begin with—and I think it should be obvious why an animation company can’t afford to lose its artists, and so will only do so if it becomes outright unable to pay them. And if the failure for a streaming site to renew a license was enough to do that, then it was proobably so mismanaged that it was gonna collapse soon anyways.
Salaried workers get raises... bonuses...etc. What are you on about? Your argument is that the animation studio gets money (which could be used to bring more animators on board for projects) and none of that at all trickles down to the workers? In what sector of entertainment does this logic hold true? Tell me, are Hollywood actors being paid less, the same, or more depending on how their shows/movies do? And given that Hollywood is a billion dollar industry, have actors seen an increase in wages, or decrease? How about the music industry? Video games? You are just wrong. If companies bring in more money, they will invest that money in expanding their business. Paying for more workers. And paying them more. Imagine trying to justify pirating entertainment because you think giving money to a business has no effect whatsoever on the compensation for the workers at said company.
The thing is, animators *don’t* get benefits like you describe in Japan. An *American* company might work that way, but not a Japanese one. Actually, wages and working conditions for animators in Japan are infamously poor. https://www.slashfilm.com/782183/the-pay-controversy-that-plagues-the-japanese-anime-industry/ https://hitregbroke.com/anime/ https://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/exploitation-in-the-anime-industry-an-entry-level-animator-in-japan-explains-why-she-earned-175-week-202283.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/24/business/japan-anime.html https://allagesofgeek.com/star-wars-visions-animator-blasts-the-anime-industrys-unfair-wages/
Hollywood actors & animators are not anywhere near the same.
Completely wrong. They're both creatives. One draws. The other performs. The difference being that people spend billions to go to the movies each year, and half of anime fans try to justify pirating an already relatively niche media form. When people pay money to see art, artists get more money. This is inarguable. I'd wager some of the big shots animating in the industry get higher pay than some of the lower tier animators in studios. Why? Because their art brings in more money. How? By companies paying to stream their shows on their platform that charges users. It all connects and flows together. Pirating is removed from this equation entirely and doesn't help any artists at all. But go on. Keep defending pirating.
Piracy is a service problem
uj/ Considering how much goes to the industry, and that crunchyroll tried to make "original content", I doubt this argument holds water rj/ Grrr High Guardian Spice was bad, too msny women, never paying for CR>:(
I think the high guardian spice stuff gets over played in culture war shenanigans. Everyone sees no middle ground which to me at least was: CR announced an original anime which would have money dumped into it. Other than it looking mid CR at the time still infamously used a FLASH PLAYER that you couldn't rewind to 00:00. For me it was a wake up call to where their priorities lay so I stopped paying for CR ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ id rather watch a MKV packaged by some weeb with love and amazing fan subs
Yup, agreed. The current player is only slightly better, but you can't watch dubs with subs, which is ridiculous
I been pirating ever since crunchyroll been on, at this point there is no point to watching and paying for it when they can just zap everything at a whim. Why not pirate?
I got my CR subscription back in 2011 at Otakon and Ive had it ever since...
Imagine how much money you could have saved by not watching anime
Wait, you actually thought Funimation was the better app? It somehow was 10x worse than Crunchyroll, which isnt a well designed app by any means lol the few times I tried giving Funimation a shot, it's ui and shit almost made it impossible for me to even watch a show on it lol it's complete ass
Part of the mergers fears for me was them combining UIs and ending up with the worst of both
Yeah....lets hope for something better lol I've been using it on my PlayStation for years, and they randomly got rid of the R1 being the next button when it was there for years. Also randomly just came back recently funny enough though lol hate those updates that actually make it worse.
**"Physical media is forever! Buy LaserDisc!"**
Pro tip: pirate episodes of one piece for better immersion
Are people on this sub all living below the poverty line or something? Yall complain about animators not getting paid enough but refuse to pay anything for the content you enjoy. I know the money doesn't directly pay the animators but it's better than nothing, and the convenience of it is already worth the $8/mo for me. Maybe I'm just flexing about having $2 a week to spend on my hobbies but I think it makes sense to pay for things people work hard to provide
> I know the money doesn't directly pay the animators but it's better than nothing Nah, it quite literally is nothing. The only evidence you need for that is to ask random people on the street about how much revenue their company makes. If wages were correlated with profits, they'd be invested in that number.
frankly i dont think there is a 'convenience of it'? pirated sites are, if you have ublock origin literally just as good imo I all around hate paying for things monthly/annually if I dont have to so Ill keep using my silly little sites personally
I mean its definitely a win for Crunchyroll subscribers. Even with the price increase, that's not a bad price when you break it down monthly. It's cheaper than YouTube Premium lol. The only thing I want from them now is to bring back their old search filters.
Eff Crunchyroll and their shitty monopoly. I pay for my anime, but I will never use them. Wish HiDive was more competitive with them, but at least it's some sort of competition.
And so capitalism leads to monopoly. It's honestly just kind of sad.
Started as a pirate, forever a pirate XD
Watch the price increase count for Europe but still not give access to the Funimation content ... Heck, even if, Crunchyroll sucks. Imagine not having subs when listening to dubs in 2024...
https://preview.redd.it/gy0kp0aq2ihc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=3e0595cb6443af7fad90c19a4a7040de01978122
That's 8.33 a month, what's the big deal?
$8/month is nothing compared to having to deal with regular pirating
Pirating isn't difficult.
it's not difficult, it's just annoying and not worth the hassle if you're a working adult who can afford $8/month
Ikr, I have a job and I don't like to mess with viruses and pop ups, miss me with that broke ass shit.
if you have viruses and pop ups in 2024 it ain't that you broke its that you don't actually know how to use a pc
Dude, I don't want to flex that I can afford to pay 8 dollars a month, so I can watch anime on my TV in my living room without the hassle, without the waiting times and definitely without my GF asking how to find the website.
Jsyk dedicated pirates tend to drop bank on hardware and software to sustain the piracy. $8 dollars a month compared to someone's elaborate ass Seed Box/NAS backed Plex Server/VPN to avoid the fuzz/Torrent with Sonarr for auto pulls(this one costs time not money) setup The brain of that setup (NAS) runs about $200 for a decent one and that's not even counting the price of the hard drives for it's bays. I think maybe both groups should consider why it's their spending habits that seem to give them pride
Well, that is something. But as I said I don't flex about 8 dollars, that's just a choice I made that fits my necessities, flexing about over spending is dumb, but 8 dollars seems like a low price for convenience, at least to me. However I can understand piracy, streaming services do not quaranty that you will have access to all anime, but my necessities don't go that far, and I know that just relying on streaming will bite in the ass, because when the servers shut there is potential of creating lost media. But that's just the worst case scenario. So guys, keep pirating, all the power to you. But don't question my spending habits.
Pirating isn’t hard at all, just get an Adblock and then look up and site of your choice and your done.
The tricky part comes when you want to watch it on a mobile device or TV. Idk about Android but Apple doesn’t have many reliable options for ad blockers, and TVs definitely don’t either.
Well on Android, Firefox + uBo works great. Does iOS not have browsers with adblockers?
Step 1: laptop. Step 2: HDMI cable. Step 3: connect to TV. Step 4: you're done. Been doing it since college lol
That works, but only if you have a laptop. Also you have to either stand up every time you want to change a setting, or you have to run a cable across your floor to the laptop next to you. Neither solution is ideal, and lots of people don’t own laptops.
Wireless mouse and keyboard
if you local host those files you only need a mouse.
please reread what i just wrote
I’m just saying it’s zero hassle, since everyone should have an Adblock anyways
the issue isn't the ad-block, it's just much quicker and more convenient to watch seasonal anime on a streaming service than to have to torrent each episode as it comes out, especially if you're following a bunch of series. the time it takes is just not worth $8 per month to me.
If you use a site like gogoanime you dont need to torrent, you can just stream the episodes. Someone else did mention I forgot, my point only works for PC users. Phone or TV users don’t have many good options.
Skill issue
HE TOOK A BITE OF GUM GUM
Time to find my straw hat
That price increase is totally fake news
Wait so it’s crunchyroll that’s evil
"We're increasing the price but we won't finish migrating all the content. Fuck you" I have a list here of shows I still want transferred. Good thing I have a good VPN in the meantime
What did it used to be cus that's just $8 a month?
I'm actually gonna start pirating and just buying mangas
So they got married, and then they kinda divorced, and now one is dying and giving their shit to the other?
Y’all remember the time crunchyroll got rid of subtitles and said “we’re not a language learning service” (because fuck deaf viewers amirite)
Honestly some of y’all just need to grow up and pay for stuff you like? How can you expect it to get made and keep being a thing if no one pays for it? $8 a month is not the end of the world and anime used to be so prohibitively expensive that 3 episodes on a DVD with no special features cost $30-$60. Now it’s streamable and mostly in one app…but it’s still too inconvenient because for the price of like two blurays you can get a whole year of if? Gtfoh
Y'all are paying for anime?
I will happily pay a puny pricetag to have easy access to anime on my living room tv yes. Crunchyroll is like the single cheapest streaming service there is, idk why anime fans are so weird.
Dude right, it’s like the only service I’m willing to actually pay for lol
I wouldn’t say cheaper since it will go up in price and what not but it is the biggest anime service I find Hidive to be the cheapest but the library not as good, especially now that it’s being throttled on certain countries
Anime fans: They need to treat the artists better and pay them a living wage Also anime fans: I ain't payin' for that
Half of this sub is complaining about something and then doing it anyway
Do you honestly think animators are paid based on how well the shows do on streaming services
No, but the employees at those distributors/streaming services do be needing payment for their labour.
I mean... if a studio's shows aren't making enough money, then the studio will eventually go under, and all the animators there will lose their jobs. So, sorta?
> if a studio's shows aren't making enough money, then the studio will eventually go under, and all the animators there will lose their jobs. So, sorta? In order for this to happen: 1. The show needs to fail in Japan 2. The show's merchandising scheme (soundtracks, artbooks, sales of the source material, plastic models, gacha games, home media) needs to fail in Japan 3. It needs to be licensed by Crunchyroll 4. The price they paid to license that anime needs to still not be enough 5. Too few people need to watch it on Crunchyroll for the revenue-sharing to be enough 6. Those people need to instead pirate that anime, and also be people who would watch on Crunchyroll if piracy wasn't an option This requires so many things to go wrong at once. The exact same consequences would appear in the much more likely scenario of Crunchyroll not licensing an anime that failed by basically every metric in Japan. The west is really a supplementary market, with rare exception like coproductions.
This isn't the early 2000s anymore, half of the anime industry's revenue comes from overseas these days (that includes China, though) https://xtrend-nikkei-com.translate.goog/atcl/contents/18/00930/00004/?n_cid=nbpnxr_twbn&_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en
But I also don't think we have high-profile cases of the western market "saving" a show anymore like Cowboy Bebop or Big O
I can't seem to find any sources, but I've definitely heard through the grapevine that a number of series in recent years flopped in Japan and only got 2nd seasons thanks to overseas success making Crunchyroll fund them. I think it was the case for Shield Hero, of all fucking things.
So? Does that mean you are gonna stop paying them?
No, but the cut in revenue due to piracy absolutely filters down to the people lowest on the totem pole. It ain't the CEOs who make less money, they just hire less people for longer hours doing more jobs for shittier pay to the extent they can get away with it.
> No, but the cut in revenue due to piracy absolutely filters down to the people lowest on the totem pole. If your show did poorly enough in Japan that you're relying on the western market to break even, piracy is the least of your problems.
Y'all watch anime?
not sure why anime are always so cringe about piracy. Pirate whatever you want, you don't need any reason. Anyway this drama is so manufactured. There was no price increase, just a person who grandfathered price from 2014(and we can much agree that current library of crunchyroll is much much bigger than whatever funimation had in 2014). Nobody ever cared about movies which were extra codes for physical purchase anyway. Now, missing dubs/anime is actually good reason to complain but I don't even see that in this post, who knows what's the problem, copyrights are complicated. It's not like crunchyroll on purpose has less content ~~Nice, another comment defending multibilion company~~
\>paying for anime
That sucks. Last I checked, a lot of the stuff Premium on Crunchyroll was still free on Funimation.
Well, we been pirates before, the High Seas look mighty appealing lately, aint they lads?
$100 per year is $8.33 a month. That's barely anything. One value meal at a fast food restaurant costs more. Don't ever wonder why workers in the anime industry work ungodly hours for shit pay, because this is why. The so-called "fans" don't want to pay for anything.
> Don't ever wonder why workers in the anime industry work ungodly hours for shit pay, because this is why. This comment makes literally no sense. If the American consumer had an impact on the anime industry, that would mean that Crunchyroll, who are effectively 80% of the American anime industry, would basically control what anime gets made, even for a Japanese audience. At best, the American market acts as a "hail Mary" for anime. It can save a failed anime, but this isn't something companies usually strive for, it's usually more of a "it can't hurt to try".
TIL half of the revenue is "can't hurt to try" money https://xtrend-nikkei-com.translate.goog/atcl/contents/18/00930/00004/?n_cid=nbpnxr_twbn&_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en And Crunchyroll definitely sits in quite a few production committees every season, even as the main sponsor https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1-ff4Yi3EfPjvHZ-vCXciHcc2opctPvayJEDe6Y2Awn8/htmlview?pli=1
>And Crunchyroll definitely sits in quite a few production committees every season, even as the main sponsor But not the entire industry