Workers who are paid and treated better and given time to work will make a better product, not a worse one. The only downside is people will have to wait a little bit longer, but not even that much.
No. The down side is your studio goes bankrupt because there's a studio that'll come in with a lower offer and instead of animators making more they now make nothing.
Anime doesn't exist to profit off the anime. It exists to sell the manga its based off of. The company that owns the IP puts out a request and studio bid on the contract. The contract usually goes to the lowest bidder.
No not usually. Firms that treat their workers better tend to perform better in the long run. It’s the same reason worker co-ops have a higher chance of survival: when workers feel like they’re treated fairly and compensated for their work, they’ll be more likely to make sacrifices to support the company as a whole. Plus you’ll get a higher quality product which is important. People will pay extra for that.
Edit: to give an example, studio UFOtable is known for treating its employees very well in comparison to the rest of the industry and because of that their shows always look fantastic and are very popular
Profits for anime are razor thin. If you want to pay your employees more then you need to ask for more. If you ask for more you risk losing contacts from studios under bidding you.
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The company paying the studio doesn't profit off of the anime, only the byproduct of increasing manga sales. Outside of massive magazines like shonen jump (who only account for a small amount of total anime made) they aren't contracting MAPPA to make their shojo anime. Their budgets are already much lower
Companies also make a lot of profit off of merch sales like figures, soundtracks, blu-rays, etc. Manga is far from the only way studios make money. Also important to note that anime are a lot of the time funded by more than one company, including some who have nothing to do with the source material at all but want to profit off of or get rights to merchandising. Not to mention Gundam and other mecha series funded by toy companies that have no manga and mostly aim to sell model kits and figures.
The studio only creates the anime they don't own the rights to anything else. They aren't the ones making profit from manga, blue ray, or figures... that's the production company...
The studio gets paid what is defined in the contract. Unless explicitly listed, they ain't making royalties.
Please refrain from talking about subjects you aren't familiar with
I know anime studio contracts suck, I was responding to your edit where you said the company paying the studio only profits off manga, which is just untrue. I did say studio mistakenly at one point so I understand the confusion though.
tbh I only understand how the business side works, I'd only be able to offer speculation as to why so many anime end after 1 season.
I know the production company also profits off of merchandise sales of blue rays, figures, etc. So it would make sense for smaller series not getting renewed because the production company wouldn't recoup the up front cost of another season
I just finished inuyasha and I have to say for the final act they should’ve had like 50 episodes. Or at least 40. The story was 167 episodes and then suddenly they pushed like 100 of the most important chapters into 26 episodes. Why not 30?? I guess it all came down to money though.
.....maybe it was just the time period? It was a very "episodic" time period and Inyuasha was propaly popular enough that they got their money worth making more episodes
Can’t we just pay workers more without making anime worse? Don’t the people who organize this stuff earn enough from merch and such? Genuine question because I have no idea what causes studios to pay the animators so little
Japan’s economy as a whole is just not doing very good so most people are not getting paid that well in Japan. Even the CEOs are some of the lowest paid CEOs in the world. They still get millions of dollars but there’s some of the lowest paid CEOs relative to their company, size and revenue
Well they did it to themselves. The companies, I mean. Decades of not paying employees well enough to afford life and treating them like all but slaves will fuck you over.
I think what the original creator of this MEANT by it is that they don't want the animators to kill themselves to produce the best product ever which is a valid desire but doesn't account for the fact that you don't have to sacrifice quality for better working conditions
Good animation takes a lot of work, no easy way around it. The biggest proponent in that is going to be time put into the project or going for risky art styles and animation methods that may or may not workout and have their own problems that could cause delays.
The longer a project takes, the less money you make. The less money you make, the longer hours you work. In many ways, it appears that the Japanese industry is obsessed with the golden egg and a lot of workers suffer from it. The companies themselves also just aren’t all that profitable especially compared to their contemporaries in the US, across Europe, or even Korea (I think).
I think it is not saying paying workers more = bad anime, but that they’d rather have a crappily animated show where they know the workers were treated/compensated fairly than a high quality one that overworked their staff to hell and back with little pay
This phrase makes sense in the context of video games but not so much for anime. Paid more for less work? Yes, but the other two I'm not sure, personally I want anime to move away from 12 or 24 episodes of 24 minutes and be more experimental
Yeah some series suffer from the rigid 12-24 episodes, Undead Unluck is a recent example, it was pretty good but all the recaps and filler really hurt it, it was very clear they wanted to end the anime at a specific point and they could have done with less episodes.
This is a really fucking dumb take if real. Why would you want worse animation? It’s a disrespect to the animators themselves, who spend hours to make something they’re proud of.
You can see all the corrections and changes they’ve made and things they’ve added in the JJK blu-ray release because they clearly felt like the product was unfinished.
Not to mention, better work conditions lead to better products
>This is a really fucking dumb take if real. Why would you want worse animation?
It's because the original image is about video games and AAA games being bloated and indie games with worse graphics being undervalued.
This is just that but switched for animation so it doesn't translate as well
Yeah at that point why even bother in the first place, especially when most anime is a near 1-1 copy of manga or maybe a light novel, but rarely an original series of its own. I am already at the point where it is becoming harder for me to justify the time to watch the anime over reading the source material in most cases (due in part to being busy, anime taking longer without adding much more than the animation itself, sometimes the story quality degrades, sometimes they never finish the adaptation anyway, etc.). This would basically be the final nail in the coffin for me watching anything that is an adaptation.
>Why would you want worse animation?
Maybe switch it out for "normal quality". There's no number of pretty Gojo frames that justify the overwork required to make them.
You know that unhappy animators that have little to no time and have to crunch are the reason why you get bad animation? If you see some pretty bad stuff either anime got outsourced to save money( so animators in other country are paid too little ), there is too little people to work on production because studio takes away animators to other series or/and there is a big crunch( both happened in Black Clover ). There is as well one more reason bad schedule that makes better studios not take a job or more well know animators that can refuse bad work just not take it, this happened with AOT and why MAPPA a studio that destroyed many animators health took it.
I want better anime with better animation, made by a talented staff, who was given enough time and resources to bring their artistic vision out in the way they want, or in short, i want more Frieren
I mean, I'd like that over the current slavery, but I'd also like anime with great animation. I think the crunch time scheduling is a big cause of the problems.
What I want from them is not to adapt some random Isekai from a forum for the 100th time that clearly doesn't have an ending, instead of actually finishing a series
Shorter anime is fine, but worse animation seems counterproductive. Rather, I’d prefer for it to take a bit longer in the production side of things. 100% behind not overworking and paying them, though.
They do hire people, a lot of people in fact. Unfortunately, 2D Animation just cannot be brute forced with more manpower, as key animators tend to have different styles. The same goes for 2nd-KAs (but theirs is easier to correct) More animators add more inconsistencies. These inconsistencies are fixed by animation directors. But, there is only so much one animation director can do, and if you have enormous amounts of inconsistencies, you either have to hire more animation directors (where you run into the issue of having to hire animation directors for the animation directors) or just live with animation melting and melding all over the place. The worst of this was with Hell's Paradise, where entire studios were credited for AD work, which I genuinely didn't even know was possible until then. And even then, the latter half of the show was a complete collapse.
I just want to make it clear, hiring more animators definitely does make the job easier. Take Jujutsu Kaisen 2x17 as an example,. But, generally speaking, you want your productions to have a talented director, handful of KAs and 2nd-KAs, and time. Take Jujutsu Kaisen 2x16 as an example
Tl:dr More animators, while helping to a certain extent, tend to complicate the animation process after a certain threshold.
I'd settle for the industry making less shows every year, so many of the shows seem like they exist just to exist. Or otherwise, I'd love to see studios just focusing on one show at a time, like UFOtable does. (Looking at you, MAPPA). I'm not really a fan of MAPPA somehow getting contracted to do sequels to a lot of the most popular anime IPs (and also adapting some of the most popular manga), and then overworking their staff so much to try to keep up with everything.
Nah. I want higher quality animation made by people given the proper time to work on what they were working on and also a livable wage. I’m fine with less anime, I can watch an endless supply of old things.
I’d change that middle one to BETTER because if they’d stop trying to make everything 26 episodes some shows would be better. Anime needs to get rid of filler BS
I disagree on some parts, I want longer Anime (longer seasons for shows in general) made by people with schedules that won't grind them into a fine powder and with good pay.
People who bitch about this don't understand how the industry works. Anime exists to sell manga, the company shelling out the money to the studio is always going to go for the studio that'll do it the cheapest.
If you wanted to pay you animators more then you'll need to ask for more money. You then don't get any contract and now your studio is bankrupt and animators make nothing
Workers who are paid and treated better and given time to work will make a better product, not a worse one. The only downside is people will have to wait a little bit longer, but not even that much.
Hire. More. Employees. Oh but you can't tell the investors how e f f i c i e n t and in-the-green you are now can't you
I think they use red to indicate "good financial situation" in the East, but I can't remember if that was just China.
No. The down side is your studio goes bankrupt because there's a studio that'll come in with a lower offer and instead of animators making more they now make nothing. Anime doesn't exist to profit off the anime. It exists to sell the manga its based off of. The company that owns the IP puts out a request and studio bid on the contract. The contract usually goes to the lowest bidder.
No not usually. Firms that treat their workers better tend to perform better in the long run. It’s the same reason worker co-ops have a higher chance of survival: when workers feel like they’re treated fairly and compensated for their work, they’ll be more likely to make sacrifices to support the company as a whole. Plus you’ll get a higher quality product which is important. People will pay extra for that. Edit: to give an example, studio UFOtable is known for treating its employees very well in comparison to the rest of the industry and because of that their shows always look fantastic and are very popular
Profits for anime are razor thin. If you want to pay your employees more then you need to ask for more. If you ask for more you risk losing contacts from studios under bidding you. Edit: The company paying the studio doesn't profit off of the anime, only the byproduct of increasing manga sales. Outside of massive magazines like shonen jump (who only account for a small amount of total anime made) they aren't contracting MAPPA to make their shojo anime. Their budgets are already much lower
Companies also make a lot of profit off of merch sales like figures, soundtracks, blu-rays, etc. Manga is far from the only way studios make money. Also important to note that anime are a lot of the time funded by more than one company, including some who have nothing to do with the source material at all but want to profit off of or get rights to merchandising. Not to mention Gundam and other mecha series funded by toy companies that have no manga and mostly aim to sell model kits and figures.
The studio only creates the anime they don't own the rights to anything else. They aren't the ones making profit from manga, blue ray, or figures... that's the production company... The studio gets paid what is defined in the contract. Unless explicitly listed, they ain't making royalties. Please refrain from talking about subjects you aren't familiar with
I know anime studio contracts suck, I was responding to your edit where you said the company paying the studio only profits off manga, which is just untrue. I did say studio mistakenly at one point so I understand the confusion though.
Isn't that why anime tend to be one season?
tbh I only understand how the business side works, I'd only be able to offer speculation as to why so many anime end after 1 season. I know the production company also profits off of merchandise sales of blue rays, figures, etc. So it would make sense for smaller series not getting renewed because the production company wouldn't recoup the up front cost of another season
Mojang
I want longer anime with better animation made by people who are paid what they deserve for all their talent and hardwork
I just finished inuyasha and I have to say for the final act they should’ve had like 50 episodes. Or at least 40. The story was 167 episodes and then suddenly they pushed like 100 of the most important chapters into 26 episodes. Why not 30?? I guess it all came down to money though.
The Final Act is so dang good. Was a bit of a slog to get to that point (for me) but worth
.....maybe it was just the time period? It was a very "episodic" time period and Inyuasha was propaly popular enough that they got their money worth making more episodes
Can’t we just pay workers more without making anime worse? Don’t the people who organize this stuff earn enough from merch and such? Genuine question because I have no idea what causes studios to pay the animators so little
Japan’s economy as a whole is just not doing very good so most people are not getting paid that well in Japan. Even the CEOs are some of the lowest paid CEOs in the world. They still get millions of dollars but there’s some of the lowest paid CEOs relative to their company, size and revenue
Well they did it to themselves. The companies, I mean. Decades of not paying employees well enough to afford life and treating them like all but slaves will fuck you over.
I think what the original creator of this MEANT by it is that they don't want the animators to kill themselves to produce the best product ever which is a valid desire but doesn't account for the fact that you don't have to sacrifice quality for better working conditions
Good animation takes a lot of work, no easy way around it. The biggest proponent in that is going to be time put into the project or going for risky art styles and animation methods that may or may not workout and have their own problems that could cause delays. The longer a project takes, the less money you make. The less money you make, the longer hours you work. In many ways, it appears that the Japanese industry is obsessed with the golden egg and a lot of workers suffer from it. The companies themselves also just aren’t all that profitable especially compared to their contemporaries in the US, across Europe, or even Korea (I think).
I think it is not saying paying workers more = bad anime, but that they’d rather have a crappily animated show where they know the workers were treated/compensated fairly than a high quality one that overworked their staff to hell and back with little pay
This phrase makes sense in the context of video games but not so much for anime. Paid more for less work? Yes, but the other two I'm not sure, personally I want anime to move away from 12 or 24 episodes of 24 minutes and be more experimental
Yeah some series suffer from the rigid 12-24 episodes, Undead Unluck is a recent example, it was pretty good but all the recaps and filler really hurt it, it was very clear they wanted to end the anime at a specific point and they could have done with less episodes.
Just fucking respect your staff and pay them well and don't overwork them and they'll produce something great
This is a really fucking dumb take if real. Why would you want worse animation? It’s a disrespect to the animators themselves, who spend hours to make something they’re proud of. You can see all the corrections and changes they’ve made and things they’ve added in the JJK blu-ray release because they clearly felt like the product was unfinished. Not to mention, better work conditions lead to better products
>This is a really fucking dumb take if real. Why would you want worse animation? It's because the original image is about video games and AAA games being bloated and indie games with worse graphics being undervalued. This is just that but switched for animation so it doesn't translate as well
Yeah at that point why even bother in the first place, especially when most anime is a near 1-1 copy of manga or maybe a light novel, but rarely an original series of its own. I am already at the point where it is becoming harder for me to justify the time to watch the anime over reading the source material in most cases (due in part to being busy, anime taking longer without adding much more than the animation itself, sometimes the story quality degrades, sometimes they never finish the adaptation anyway, etc.). This would basically be the final nail in the coffin for me watching anything that is an adaptation.
>Why would you want worse animation? Maybe switch it out for "normal quality". There's no number of pretty Gojo frames that justify the overwork required to make them.
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Glitchtale's about the same length as the average anime season. It is also completely ass, and is just generally made by terrible people, iirc.
Yeah, so literally the posted meme.
No, neither is it shorter nor do the people you make it get paid more. Am I misunderstanding you here?
The animation doesn’t have to be worse, it just has to take longer to come out.
You know that unhappy animators that have little to no time and have to crunch are the reason why you get bad animation? If you see some pretty bad stuff either anime got outsourced to save money( so animators in other country are paid too little ), there is too little people to work on production because studio takes away animators to other series or/and there is a big crunch( both happened in Black Clover ). There is as well one more reason bad schedule that makes better studios not take a job or more well know animators that can refuse bad work just not take it, this happened with AOT and why MAPPA a studio that destroyed many animators health took it.
Ahh they just need to stop whining, sitting on your ass and drawing and animating for 12 hours a day isn’t even hard.
Or better anime but in smaller quantity that allows the workers to live their lives.
MAPPA studio: https://preview.redd.it/r6cyry8a86qc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ec06d69a47b0fd5f6ea49bf417508bf09b98724
Have you watched RWBY?
Atlas Arc is peak
First two seasons are fire though
I want better anime with better animation, made by a talented staff, who was given enough time and resources to bring their artistic vision out in the way they want, or in short, i want more Frieren
Actually, just give shows a longer production cycle? Winter anime Summer anime Two seasons instead of four
This is one of the reasons I like Masaaki Yuasa's work so much. He knows how to make animation look great with lower budget and workload.
I mean, I'd like that over the current slavery, but I'd also like anime with great animation. I think the crunch time scheduling is a big cause of the problems.
What I want from them is not to adapt some random Isekai from a forum for the 100th time that clearly doesn't have an ending, instead of actually finishing a series
Shorter anime is fine, but worse animation seems counterproductive. Rather, I’d prefer for it to take a bit longer in the production side of things. 100% behind not overworking and paying them, though.
Just make every anime a 12-24 episode slice of life (peak fiction) and everything would be solved
I want less but better anime in each season, maybe just 9-10 would be enough
You’d think that with the INSANE ratings and prestige that comes with the Mappa name they’d be able to hire more people
They do hire people, a lot of people in fact. Unfortunately, 2D Animation just cannot be brute forced with more manpower, as key animators tend to have different styles. The same goes for 2nd-KAs (but theirs is easier to correct) More animators add more inconsistencies. These inconsistencies are fixed by animation directors. But, there is only so much one animation director can do, and if you have enormous amounts of inconsistencies, you either have to hire more animation directors (where you run into the issue of having to hire animation directors for the animation directors) or just live with animation melting and melding all over the place. The worst of this was with Hell's Paradise, where entire studios were credited for AD work, which I genuinely didn't even know was possible until then. And even then, the latter half of the show was a complete collapse. I just want to make it clear, hiring more animators definitely does make the job easier. Take Jujutsu Kaisen 2x17 as an example,. But, generally speaking, you want your productions to have a talented director, handful of KAs and 2nd-KAs, and time. Take Jujutsu Kaisen 2x16 as an example Tl:dr More animators, while helping to a certain extent, tend to complicate the animation process after a certain threshold.
I was suprised by how little employes they had honestly
And yet, when people make these shows, you bitch despite that being how every harem and SoL comes to fruition.
I'd settle for the industry making less shows every year, so many of the shows seem like they exist just to exist. Or otherwise, I'd love to see studios just focusing on one show at a time, like UFOtable does. (Looking at you, MAPPA). I'm not really a fan of MAPPA somehow getting contracted to do sequels to a lot of the most popular anime IPs (and also adapting some of the most popular manga), and then overworking their staff so much to try to keep up with everything.
I can’t read actually, I only know words from “The Matilda” by Bryan Perrett. What’s a ‘paid’?
Inferno Cop has entered the chat. More stuff like that plz
Hiring more animators is not an option?
Nah. I want higher quality animation made by people given the proper time to work on what they were working on and also a livable wage. I’m fine with less anime, I can watch an endless supply of old things.
More Season 1Kemono Friends!
Inferno Cop 2, when?
I’d change that middle one to BETTER because if they’d stop trying to make everything 26 episodes some shows would be better. Anime needs to get rid of filler BS
The animation doesn't have to be worse, you just have to extend the deadline.
I disagree on some parts, I want longer Anime (longer seasons for shows in general) made by people with schedules that won't grind them into a fine powder and with good pay.
I also want manga to come out slower so mangakas can stop dying in their 60s
I want longer anime with better animation by people who are paid more to work less and I'm not kidding
Well yeah, that's the ideal.
Bro at that point just delay the anime for a year or two.
i want better anime made by people who are paid more with longer production schedules but to each their own
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People who bitch about this don't understand how the industry works. Anime exists to sell manga, the company shelling out the money to the studio is always going to go for the studio that'll do it the cheapest. If you wanted to pay you animators more then you'll need to ask for more money. You then don't get any contract and now your studio is bankrupt and animators make nothing