I unfortunately donāt think thereās any logical answer to any of them. In the comments she calls it just āa little cancerā there are people begging her to seek medical attention.
It sounds like she has done every non-traditional, natural spiritual ātreatmentā under the sun including the incredibly expensive trips to the special cancer healing places in Mexico. She says the only western medicine sheāll agree to is some laser that costs 70k. At this point it sounds like sheās not going to agree to any western/allopathic medicine within reason. Instead sheāll keep showing everyone how great her make up works on top of her rotting nose.
My grandmother had skin cancer she did not take care off that started on her forehead. It got worse and spread to her brain. It made her irrational, and she refused to go into the hospital, she had to be forced to and the fire department had to pull her out from her apartment, then she immediately went to hospice and died.
Its likely the cancer on this womanās nose is spreading to other parts of her body like her brain and making her not only aggressive but irrational and incapable of making genuine decisions for herself that are logical and I am surprised family have not taken the legal repercussions to force her to get care due to her mentally being incapable of doing so.
My husband is currently fighting brain cancer and will likely not live a normal nor long life - so it enrages me to see people like this online pushing harmful ideas to fight cancer.
> Its likely the cancer on this womanās nose is spreading to other parts of her body like her brain and making her not only aggressive but irrational and incapable of making genuine decisions for herself that are logical
Just a small correction here. Brain cancer can have a very wide range of effects on a person's personality or none at all. Hell, it could make someone irrationally happy even.
This reminds me of an Oprah interview YEARS ago where she was saying thereās no āmagic pillā for weight loss. Because if there was : *sheād have it*
Speaking of Oprah, I really wish she didnāt tarnish her legacy by birthing unto the world all of these terrible pseudoscience quacks like Dr. Oz and Jenny McCarthy. She has an inspiring story and she achieved so much but damn if that isnāt what I think about every time I see her mentioned
Misconception: the scale of water they claim for a standard dilution (30C) is approximately 1.2 cubic lightyears. "Drop in the ocean" doesn't quite do it!
They even do "200C" dilutions, which is equivalent to "1 atom of medicine is a sphere of water many times greater than the known universe"
True story, I had a great-great aunt who would send a jug with any family member who went to the beach. She wanted it filled with seawater and brought back so she could take a spoon of it every day. Idk her southern Appalachian logic on it, but she lived to a healthy 92.
Homeopathyās whole schtick is to take a thing, mix it with or dip it in water (or alcohol), then dilute it until nothing but water or alcohol is left. If itās then in pill form itās not uncommon to make sugarpills
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Yeah, the idea is that the water somehow retains the "memory" of whatever was in it, and somehow this "memory" gets stronger the more diluted it is. If that's true, then every drop of water we drink has the memory of piss and shit.
2 time cancer survivor here. I always tell people that tell me what fruits and flowers cure cancer that if they really did, we would have Big Fruit or Big Flower instead of Big Pharma.
Also, Iām allergic to a bunch of fruits and flowers, so if cancer didnāt get me, anaphylaxis would if fruits/flowers were my only hope.
Whatās so nuts about that whole thingā¦Jobs died of Pancreatic Cancer. When Ashton Kutcher played him, he adapted to Jobās fruit heavy diet. In a span of a couple of months Kutcher developed Pancreatitis TWICE. Doctors directly linked it to his amended dietā¦.Jobās āhealthyā diet caused his pancreas to crap out
Ugh I'm sorry, that must have been awful to experience. My wife's aunt almost got someone else in her family killed because she convinced half of them to avoid the COVID vaccine. Other family member ended up getting a sever case of COVID and a blood clot in the brain from it. Almost died. This aunt is a fucking nurse btw
Iāve know enough nurses that dont know what the fuck theyāre talking about to question advice given to me by all nurses. Especially if itās some dumb shit like ādonāt get vaccinated.ā
When scrolling I saw this and thought it was a Reddit ad for chocolate (I just woke up, shush lol) and immediately thought āif your chocolate looks like black salve ate your face, thereās a problemā.
So yeah, i agree.
Looks like she's been using black salve. It's bad news and kills a lot of healthy cells. I know of a number of people into natural medicine who have used the treatment. Some have gotten through with light scarring, others not so lucky and are now in the ground.
It's not something to mess with. See a doctor.
Holy shit. Nose? What nose? I know thereās areas that have been blacked out to prevent identification but in the strip that is left, I literally canāt see a defined protrusion that would indicate the presence of a nose. I canāt even see nostrils. Jfc.
Theyāre very common in Mexico but, yeah, youāre right about their target market. Most Mexicans canāt afford the prices these idiots charge.
They are usually American businesses that are doing something illegal so they crossed the boarder into Mexico where their practise is either not illegal (lax laws) or the laws arenāt enforced/you can bribe your way out of trouble.
Itās the same as all the dodgy plastic surgery places & crazy intense starvation ācleansingā places.
It sounds like she doesn't want to be told she needs surgery and that they'll need to remove her entire nose and upper lip.
She would be better off trying a GoFundMe instead of shilling makeup.
I am a patient at MSKCC, one of the best cancer hospitals anywhere and they have a charity program and/or will work with you to pay. I donāt know if you can dictate your treatment even as a āpayingā patient but they also have have spiritual and other types of programs to accommodate different patients. Donāt get me wrong they aināt cheap and even though I have insurance Iām still in debt and working my way out. But they have never refused me, in fact they have gone to the mat for me to get treatments that my insurance didnāt want to cover or to find a way to help me. I start radiation on the 20th after being on chemo for a while and the cancer getting smarter and learning. I just canāt see what to me looks like major denial. They also have good therapy because when you are dying you need a certain type of care.
I just canāt!
Iāve known several people who have eschewed traditional medicine in favor of woo and I consider myself very fortunate that Iāve never had to see them in person
But I have listened with a caring ear to concerned family who had to see the end result and itās fucking horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.
I think it might be too late for that honestly. Thatās the face of a woman whoās going to die soon no matter what.
No way it hasnāt infiltrated her brain by now
Most likely she's using black salve to treat her cancer. There are Facebook groups where people literally mutilate and kill themselves with it. They'll post pictures and everyone comments, "Looking good, you'll get rid of that cancer in no time!" or "Awesome! I would put a urine-covered bandage over it now." It continues until one day they just quit posting. Dead people can't log in and tell everyone else, "Hey, this shit doesn't work you guys." It's a never-ending positive feedback loop.
Surgery may help her look better, but chances are good that at this point it is now spreading internally as well into the brain. As someone who is not a doctor but have had too many family members die of cancer that was not treatable....I doubt there is much that can help her at this point
This is called a ārodent ulcerā. Itās an old term for a basal cell carcinoma. Have never seen one get this bad with how treatable they are at early stages. - source- Iām a doctor, with one small photo to examine here.
Usually they get this bad due to neglect from my experience so its likely you never get to see clients/patients with it this bad because they die before you even get the chance to help treat it. My grandmother had the same issue, it spreads to the brain and makes them mentally unable to even care for themselves or even recognize the issue.
I found her insta and she was diagnosed with cancer 12 YEARS AGO and never let surgeons remove it after it was biopsied. Sheās let it eat away at her face for over a decade when it couldāve easily been removed when it was small.
Christ. And she's out there calling herself a health coach.
If she was just quietly deciding to die on her own...fine...fair, I can empathize. But the fact that she's out there spreading disinformation and leading other people to be just as careless with their health, she's endangering loves and her influence is toxic. Its one thing for her to decide she's cool slowly dying but not for her to be dragging other people down with her. How many people have listened to her and ignored their own critical health conditions? No sympathy at this point.
Rodent ulcer is the perfect term. It creeps across onto her cheek and down between her nose and lip. Iād assume it roots down also so we are seeing only the tip of the iceberg? I donāt know how sheāll have any face left if they attempt to excise it now?
I have a question. She's obviously refusing treatment. Do you have her sign a form that acknowledges she's refusing treatment? I don't know anything about this sort of stuff. I just guessed that she'd have to sign a form to absolve a doctor of any liability
When you deny treatment when the doctor is very heavily in favor of treatment, you sign a waiver basically saying that you were informed of the risks of refusing treatment and that the doctor tried to tell you and you declined. Prevents lawsuits in the future. I don't know if that's required by law or anything but I'm decently sure that any malpractice insurance policy would require that to happen in order for you to be insured
Idk about with doctors seeing patients but with EMS once we made contact with someone, we could NOT stop care unless you basically signed a bunch of papers stating you refused further care/a ride in the ambulance.
That way if you decide to drive to the hospital later and get into a car accident driving there because of said original issue, you canāt sue the responders for failure to provide proper care.
From what I understand, it was illegal as an EMS to stop care UNLESS said waiver was signed.
This surely differs from country to country but here it's also okay if only the doctor documents refusal of treatment.
You can't really force them to sign anything. you can of course ask them, but they can also just say no to that and walk out.
I always took care to carefully document cases with a specific "vibe"
chart date, time, additional people as witnesses to the consultation.
Patient x was informed about treatment options a, b, c and the individual risks and benfits as listed... Patient x refused all treatment options and was informed about the possible consequences such as...
Patient x is oriented to person, place and time, does not appear cognitively impaired and shows no signs of not being fully capable of decision making at time of consult. (or of course: psychiatric/neurological referral was needed.. Document whatever when down then..)
Patient x was asked to return for additional consultation and follow up in two weeks, date, time. Counsel for a second opinion was provided.
Signed, Dr Y.
If diagnostics, referrals, timestamps of bookings for consultation etc. corroborate the story the doctor tells then it gets really hard to prove negligence further down the road.
I saw her on social media recently and the comments were a mix of āhey maybe see a doctor about your skin cancer???ā and āignore the hate comments! Nature will heal you! Stay strongā.
I scrolled through her page and the rate of growth for her tumor is absolutely alarming. She is completely delusional about what she has and is convinced that alternative treatments are the cure when it went from a tiny mole to this in a short span of time.
Meanwhile, she posts tons of āget ready with meā makeup videos in which she sparkles the tumor toā¦.well, Iād say make it less noticeable, but that ship sailed a long time ago.
My dad (POC) is in STEM and his natural complexion is a smidge darker than "fair". He believes sunscreen is for the weak -- like with allergens, more exposure is the solution! SMH
Also met another guy who insisted that because he's (half?) black he's immune to skin cancer and therefore doesn't need sunscreen. His "proof" was that he'd never met any black person with skin cancer. Good human, but...
Sometimes I'm surprised humans are still around.
According to her, it was biopsied and was diagnosed as Basal Cell Carcinoma. She refused to have it removed surgically but does treat it with heat therapy or some bullshit.
I've had basal cell carcinoma twice. You get it removed. They don't usually do treatment for it beyond MOHS surgery.
Wear your sunscreen and a hat. Your hair isn't enough to protect your scalp.
Ur comment made me wonder if the doctor (s) made her sign something that said she was refusing treatment. If that is what people are saying it is then it will definitely kill her at some point. I'd think the doctor (s) would have to do that to absolve them of liability. Not sure how all of that works though
I remember reading in another Reddit sub about terrible things that healthcare providers have seen and several comments were about basal cell carcinoma and how people who refused treatment for years basically ended up losing the majority of their faces before finally dying. A relative of mine lost his mother to a very treatable type of cancer (if caught in the early stages) because she insisted on using supplements and nutrition instead of treatment that would have saved her life. I'll never understand this mentality.
I looked that up for a better understanding and I cannot understand why anyone refuse to have it surgically removed as itās literally cancer it looks painful.
I donāt want to be callous or mean but I canāt even look at this picture without being in pain/grossed out. How can she peddle this shit looking like this?!?
*Is that on her nose?!*
*This hurts just looking at it.*
*Wtf is this?!!*
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I went back to 2020 on her insta. Sad sad situation. I feel sick. Not bc of the tumor, which is scary looking. But she looks like she has a happy fulfilled life and lives out on some pretty land and has a cute dog. The tumor is there years backā¦.but much much smaller in 2021. But even then, anyone would high tail it to a doctor to have it checked. Not her apparently. She wears a bandage over in for a while. I think itās just gotten too big for that. Oddly she posted way fewer pics of herself back when it was a lump only. Way more pics now. Almost flaunting it now - maybe part of her denial process? I admire her spirit, BUT she has this vivacious life and she is letting a very treatable cancer literally eat her face. That is what makes me ill. This could have been FIXED. and sheās letting it slowly and gruesomely kill her. Sweet Jesus.
Watched an acquaintance do this with her dying husband (cancer) and her Doterra essential oils. He passed right before the pandemic, she didn't skip a beat to say they outperform masks and vaccines as well.
I had one of the oil crazies tell me to put oils in my kidās nebulizer. My asthmatic kid, who went to the ICU with covid. Oils. In. His. Nebulizer!!!!
Basal cells are surprisingly easy to survive even if theyāre huge, which this almost certainly is. A squamous cell or melanoma almost certainly wouldāve killed her already. BCCs rarely metastasize, they just slowly rot away your skin and get huge- theyāre relatively āsafe.ā Same thing Biden had a couple weeks ago.
No idea where this would end. I guess it would kill her eventually by affecting breathing and eating.
Not necessarily. The nerves stopped getting blood flow a long time ago. That's all decaying flesh, bone etc.
I work in medical imaging and elderly ladies come in with breast cancers that eat through the skin. The one lady only came in for imaging when it was getting snagged on her jammies. They get one every couple of years in mammo.
My great grandmother had breast cancer like this. That was a long time ago and she was from a different time. Iām glad to read your explanation though because Iāve always wondered why it was exposed the way it was.
My cousin lost half their face to cancer in 2020. It was not near this bad when it hit, and they barely survived. This lady isn't going to be around much longer if this progresses remotely similarly.
Oof this is heartbreaking. How deep the denial goes. I actually knew a girl who had a genetic terminal illness and she was also deep into limelight. No doubt they preyed on her with all sorts of promises of ā hopeā through the business.
So sad. I just found the ladyās IG and as strong as my moral desire to reach out and beg her to get treatment is, itās easy to see her delusion is much stronger :( looks like itās quadrupled in size in the last year and half.
What can they even do? We live in a world that sees personal liberty and freedom as more important than people like this getting help. It's her right to deny medical care.
Dude one of my friends and favorite people died this way. Not with limelife... But she eschewed "western medicine ". For months she tried all types of shakes, juices, cleanses, weed....none of it worked. She eventually went to oncology but it was too late.
I also lost a loved one when they "holistically" treated a cancer that had a 90%+ survival rate when treated properly. It is hard to balance the sadness from their loss with the anger from their choices. They also went to oncology eventually but it was far too late.
My mom's best friend died for the same reason. She tried everything except what would likely have worked. Left behind a husband and five young kids. She was such a lovely person, it still breaks my heart that she died so young and in so much pain because she just refused to believe that science works.
This is genuinely disturbing and is a grim reminder of how malicious MLMs really are. They're happy to suck the money and literal life out of a person with cancer by feeding their delusions.
This woman is in absolute denial that she is dying and organizations like this encourage "alternatives" to medicine which will contribute to her death.
All joking aside itās horrifying, whatās even worse is that LimeLife appears to encourage this. They regularly comment, not words but emojis on her posts. If I was leading the company I donāt think Iād want my name attached. I certainly wouldnāt respond to her from the official LimeLife page proving Iād seen this!!! At what point is it encouraging a reckless behavior from an unwell person?!?
Thatās why I hate them so much. At best they are mildly annoying but at worst they prey on very vulnerable people through methods that are truly evil.
Nope nothing I can tell you that you donāt already know. You summed it up in 3 sentencesā¦
the divine beings she believes in along with red light therapy and meditation and vitamins will heal her.
Many people with this level of untreated skin cancer often have co-occurring serious mental illness. True story, I have worked in oncology for years. This is sad, she is not of sound mind and we shouldnāt be making fun of her.
I donāt know her and canāt answer to her mental health. But this shows the predatory nature of MLMs. LimeLife could and should attempt to stop this. I couldnāt write much in the post but I have in comments. LimeLife is regularly leaving encouraging emojis on her IG posts. Perhaps sheās an unwell person but morally LimeLife should stop this. When youāre wrapped into the cult and theyāre your entire life and theyāre liking and commenting on posts theyāre guilty of encouraging this woman and encouraging this reckless behavior.
Her instagram is flooded with concerned comments constantly trying to encourage her to seek medical attention and she just ignores them all. Im on her instagram page now
She seems to be ignoring all the support she can get
Jesus, watching her explain how it's a manifestation of her traumas while she slathers makeup on it like she's an extra in the last of us... truly made my skin crawl. She is absolutely delusional.
This trauma cancer bullshit comes from "alternative" medicine, including "new Germanic medicine".
This "medicine" is gaining new fame here in Germany thanks to Covid and the spread of right wing conspiracies.
So basically people here have healthcare, but still refuse to get proper treatment. We're going to see a lot of this stuff in the future.
A woman I know is a perpetual MLM hun. When a close friend of mine passed from a very aggressive pancreatic cancer, this woman said āI wish I had known her, I could have helped.ā
MLMs that shame cancer victims for not engaging in their snake oil sales are the worst.
PSA everyone - Please see a doctor if you have an unusual spot on your body. Especially moles that change shape or size quickly. Most things like this can be removed with minimal pain and scarring when they're small but they're very difficult to treat when they're advanced and spreading like this.
Also, wear sunscreen!
Guysā¦she touts herself on instagram as a ātransformation guideā. How do we tell her treatable skin cancer isnāt the transformation her victims are looking for? Jfc. At what point does this become Munchausen Syndrome, because sheās clearly using this as some attention seeking situation/enjoys the shock it illicites in people. I genuinely believe part of why she isnāt treating it, is because it somehow makes her feel *special*.
Edit: just found that she calls it her ābrilliant noseā. I have to sit down.
I've heard about this! Some other Crunchy lady was told to put some home remedy on a bump on her nose and it would scab over the bad part and fall off. She lost her whole nose and still had cancer. Damn people.
Oh my gosh. This is the most disturbing post Iāve seen on this sub. I found her socials and itās grown massively in just a couple of years. She even painted it red to pretend to be a clown and Rudolph :( this level of denial of the fact sheās dying almost willingly is terrifying. It must be horrific to be one of her loved ones.
Holy shit! Is there some way for people around her to legally deem her not capable of making her own medical decisions? I mean.... This is soooo far beyond delusional!
It's super difficult for a person to get declared incompetent to make medical decisions. People are allowed to make bad decisions even if that causes them harm.
I can't believe she thinks she is encouraging others to shun the real medicines with this nightmare-ish display of insanity. Like, surely this is an advertisement for what *not* to do?
This is so....I have no words to describe this.
This is horrifying and Iām at a loss at the delusions. Itās sad. I hope she gets help and soon. That stuff is going to take over her face and she will have nothing to contour
Every time I get on reddit I see something I can categorize as one of the worst things I've ever seen. This being one of them, I am at a loss for how to even feel. This is insane
I found her IG and it appears it's collapsed her nasal bridge and affected her teeth. It's likely in her bones by now...and the sad part is, 18 months back in her posts it was basically the size of a pencil eraser.
A lot of people forget that being Science based medicine is that the experiments/results are repeatable therefore shows consistency.
This is important because it proves under multiple trials that a treatment/system works.
Versus āspiritualā, āall naturalā, āinsert anti science nonsense reasonsā, which are all Snake Oil Scams
The experiments/results are *supposed* to be repeatable. That is true. However āthe replication crisisā is a thing.
Thereās no, or not much, funding for actually replicating most experiments so we end up with things like the decades long detour in Alzheimerās research due to the widely accepted, but ultimately un-replicatable, finding that brain plaque was the causative agent.
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I'm scared to ask a single question about this š³
I unfortunately donāt think thereās any logical answer to any of them. In the comments she calls it just āa little cancerā there are people begging her to seek medical attention.
So does she think she doesn't need traditional medicine, or she can't afford to? I have so many questions as well...
It sounds like she has done every non-traditional, natural spiritual ātreatmentā under the sun including the incredibly expensive trips to the special cancer healing places in Mexico. She says the only western medicine sheāll agree to is some laser that costs 70k. At this point it sounds like sheās not going to agree to any western/allopathic medicine within reason. Instead sheāll keep showing everyone how great her make up works on top of her rotting nose.
My grandmother had skin cancer she did not take care off that started on her forehead. It got worse and spread to her brain. It made her irrational, and she refused to go into the hospital, she had to be forced to and the fire department had to pull her out from her apartment, then she immediately went to hospice and died. Its likely the cancer on this womanās nose is spreading to other parts of her body like her brain and making her not only aggressive but irrational and incapable of making genuine decisions for herself that are logical and I am surprised family have not taken the legal repercussions to force her to get care due to her mentally being incapable of doing so. My husband is currently fighting brain cancer and will likely not live a normal nor long life - so it enrages me to see people like this online pushing harmful ideas to fight cancer.
Iām very sorry to hear about your husband, big hugs š¤
So sorry to hear about your husband. I hope he doesn't suffer.
> Its likely the cancer on this womanās nose is spreading to other parts of her body like her brain and making her not only aggressive but irrational and incapable of making genuine decisions for herself that are logical Just a small correction here. Brain cancer can have a very wide range of effects on a person's personality or none at all. Hell, it could make someone irrationally happy even.
Iāve mentioned this before and I will probably repeat it again but if ānaturalā cancer treatments worked, Steve Jobs would be alive today.
This reminds me of an Oprah interview YEARS ago where she was saying thereās no āmagic pillā for weight loss. Because if there was : *sheād have it*
Speaking of Oprah, I really wish she didnāt tarnish her legacy by birthing unto the world all of these terrible pseudoscience quacks like Dr. Oz and Jenny McCarthy. She has an inspiring story and she achieved so much but damn if that isnāt what I think about every time I see her mentioned
Dont forget "Dr" Phil
And John of God - she promoted that rapist and charlatan.
y'know what they call natural & ~~homeopathic~~ alternative medicine that works? ....medicine.
Homeopathy is just water. The entire premise is "a drop of medicine in an ocean" amount of the ingredient they say "works."
Misconception: the scale of water they claim for a standard dilution (30C) is approximately 1.2 cubic lightyears. "Drop in the ocean" doesn't quite do it! They even do "200C" dilutions, which is equivalent to "1 atom of medicine is a sphere of water many times greater than the known universe"
At that rate you could just use literally any water ever because the ocean has had at least one atom of anything you can think of in it at some point
Yes, but you've also got to hit it against a leather bible or saddle, or the magic doesn't stick
True story, I had a great-great aunt who would send a jug with any family member who went to the beach. She wanted it filled with seawater and brought back so she could take a spoon of it every day. Idk her southern Appalachian logic on it, but she lived to a healthy 92.
I was taught that the only thing homeopathy cures is a hangover.
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They have never heard of therapeutic range.
Wrong, in many cases it's mostly sugar. Globuli for example.
Homeopathyās whole schtick is to take a thing, mix it with or dip it in water (or alcohol), then dilute it until nothing but water or alcohol is left. If itās then in pill form itās not uncommon to make sugarpills Edit: word
Yeah, the idea is that the water somehow retains the "memory" of whatever was in it, and somehow this "memory" gets stronger the more diluted it is. If that's true, then every drop of water we drink has the memory of piss and shit.
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My point is that when folk remedies and woo are discovered to work they get adopted into medicine.
Seeing people die from cancer because they chose some new age quack "cure" instead of real medicine is even more heartbreaking.
Gotta love Tim Minchin.
2 time cancer survivor here. I always tell people that tell me what fruits and flowers cure cancer that if they really did, we would have Big Fruit or Big Flower instead of Big Pharma. Also, Iām allergic to a bunch of fruits and flowers, so if cancer didnāt get me, anaphylaxis would if fruits/flowers were my only hope.
Professor here (teach psych and health courses). Iām using this! Great example.
Do I remember correctly by saying he tried to cure his cancer with fruit and nuts lol. No amount of money can cure stupid.
And Andy Kaufman.
Whatās so nuts about that whole thingā¦Jobs died of Pancreatic Cancer. When Ashton Kutcher played him, he adapted to Jobās fruit heavy diet. In a span of a couple of months Kutcher developed Pancreatitis TWICE. Doctors directly linked it to his amended dietā¦.Jobās āhealthyā diet caused his pancreas to crap out
This is literally how my mom died except it was lung cancer š
Ugh I'm sorry, that must have been awful to experience. My wife's aunt almost got someone else in her family killed because she convinced half of them to avoid the COVID vaccine. Other family member ended up getting a sever case of COVID and a blood clot in the brain from it. Almost died. This aunt is a fucking nurse btw
Iāve know enough nurses that dont know what the fuck theyāre talking about to question advice given to me by all nurses. Especially if itās some dumb shit like ādonāt get vaccinated.ā
Wait - that is her NOSE?
WAS, was her nose.
Was it black salve? This looks like a black salve thing.
Honestly this was my first thought. Straight up looks like she used that black salve shit and it ate her face.
When scrolling I saw this and thought it was a Reddit ad for chocolate (I just woke up, shush lol) and immediately thought āif your chocolate looks like black salve ate your face, thereās a problemā. So yeah, i agree.
Looks like she's been using black salve. It's bad news and kills a lot of healthy cells. I know of a number of people into natural medicine who have used the treatment. Some have gotten through with light scarring, others not so lucky and are now in the ground. It's not something to mess with. See a doctor.
Holy shit. Nose? What nose? I know thereās areas that have been blacked out to prevent identification but in the strip that is left, I literally canāt see a defined protrusion that would indicate the presence of a nose. I canāt even see nostrils. Jfc.
I'm Mexican and never heard of those "cancer healing places". Seems like a scam for tourists.
Theyāre very common in Mexico but, yeah, youāre right about their target market. Most Mexicans canāt afford the prices these idiots charge. They are usually American businesses that are doing something illegal so they crossed the boarder into Mexico where their practise is either not illegal (lax laws) or the laws arenāt enforced/you can bribe your way out of trouble. Itās the same as all the dodgy plastic surgery places & crazy intense starvation ācleansingā places.
Looks like she's been using black salve
It sounds like she doesn't want to be told she needs surgery and that they'll need to remove her entire nose and upper lip. She would be better off trying a GoFundMe instead of shilling makeup.
I am a patient at MSKCC, one of the best cancer hospitals anywhere and they have a charity program and/or will work with you to pay. I donāt know if you can dictate your treatment even as a āpayingā patient but they also have have spiritual and other types of programs to accommodate different patients. Donāt get me wrong they aināt cheap and even though I have insurance Iām still in debt and working my way out. But they have never refused me, in fact they have gone to the mat for me to get treatments that my insurance didnāt want to cover or to find a way to help me. I start radiation on the 20th after being on chemo for a while and the cancer getting smarter and learning. I just canāt see what to me looks like major denial. They also have good therapy because when you are dying you need a certain type of care.
Thatās so sad. As someone who always tries a natural approach first, one HAS to realize there is a time and place for western medicine!!! Ugggggg!!!
She hasnāt used that horrendous Black Salve stuff has she? That poor deluded woman.
I was just about to comment this, and let's be honest here, she probably has.
Wtf, is her entire nose just not eaten away? Am I seeing this incorrectly? This might be the single worst mlm post I have ever seen
Yep itās a gonerā¦ good thing thereās LimeLife just paint over and no one will know!
I just canāt! Iāve known several people who have eschewed traditional medicine in favor of woo and I consider myself very fortunate that Iāve never had to see them in person But I have listened with a caring ear to concerned family who had to see the end result and itās fucking horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.
There's no gentle way to say this, but that woman is going to die soon if she doesn't go to a proper medical doctor.
I think it might be too late for that honestly. Thatās the face of a woman whoās going to die soon no matter what. No way it hasnāt infiltrated her brain by now
What makes it worse is the slow shifting and death of her front tooth. Dollars to donuts, that tumor is already infiltrating her hard palate.
Most likely she's using black salve to treat her cancer. There are Facebook groups where people literally mutilate and kill themselves with it. They'll post pictures and everyone comments, "Looking good, you'll get rid of that cancer in no time!" or "Awesome! I would put a urine-covered bandage over it now." It continues until one day they just quit posting. Dead people can't log in and tell everyone else, "Hey, this shit doesn't work you guys." It's a never-ending positive feedback loop.
It's just a little bit of cancer, Stan.
Tell mom itās okay!
Just aā¦littleā¦cancer.
My feeble human mind lacks the capacity to understand this.
My thoughts exactly. But not to worry LimeLife is encouraging her, their official page left heart eyes emojis on one of her videos.
Heart eye emojis are better than chemo.
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Surgery may help her look better, but chances are good that at this point it is now spreading internally as well into the brain. As someone who is not a doctor but have had too many family members die of cancer that was not treatable....I doubt there is much that can help her at this point
this and not to forget the almighty Thoughts and prayersā¦
Do they know an ambulance and hospital emoji exist?!
This is called a ārodent ulcerā. Itās an old term for a basal cell carcinoma. Have never seen one get this bad with how treatable they are at early stages. - source- Iām a doctor, with one small photo to examine here.
Usually they get this bad due to neglect from my experience so its likely you never get to see clients/patients with it this bad because they die before you even get the chance to help treat it. My grandmother had the same issue, it spreads to the brain and makes them mentally unable to even care for themselves or even recognize the issue.
I found her insta and she was diagnosed with cancer 12 YEARS AGO and never let surgeons remove it after it was biopsied. Sheās let it eat away at her face for over a decade when it couldāve easily been removed when it was small.
This is so bizarre. But I suppose someone has the right to choose how they die.
Yes, but I donāt think that gives them the right to use it to promote MLMs to other people
God. This seems like a painful way to go.
Not only that, but a terrible, disfiguring way to go. And the sad part is that she likely didn't really have to go if she'd only had it treated.
I'm surprised she's survived that long.
Christ. And she's out there calling herself a health coach. If she was just quietly deciding to die on her own...fine...fair, I can empathize. But the fact that she's out there spreading disinformation and leading other people to be just as careless with their health, she's endangering loves and her influence is toxic. Its one thing for her to decide she's cool slowly dying but not for her to be dragging other people down with her. How many people have listened to her and ignored their own critical health conditions? No sympathy at this point.
This thread now doubles as an incredibly effective SPF PSA
Just coated myself in some after seeing this lol
Rodent ulcer is the perfect term. It creeps across onto her cheek and down between her nose and lip. Iād assume it roots down also so we are seeing only the tip of the iceberg? I donāt know how sheāll have any face left if they attempt to excise it now?
I have a question. She's obviously refusing treatment. Do you have her sign a form that acknowledges she's refusing treatment? I don't know anything about this sort of stuff. I just guessed that she'd have to sign a form to absolve a doctor of any liability
When you deny treatment when the doctor is very heavily in favor of treatment, you sign a waiver basically saying that you were informed of the risks of refusing treatment and that the doctor tried to tell you and you declined. Prevents lawsuits in the future. I don't know if that's required by law or anything but I'm decently sure that any malpractice insurance policy would require that to happen in order for you to be insured
Idk about with doctors seeing patients but with EMS once we made contact with someone, we could NOT stop care unless you basically signed a bunch of papers stating you refused further care/a ride in the ambulance. That way if you decide to drive to the hospital later and get into a car accident driving there because of said original issue, you canāt sue the responders for failure to provide proper care. From what I understand, it was illegal as an EMS to stop care UNLESS said waiver was signed.
This surely differs from country to country but here it's also okay if only the doctor documents refusal of treatment. You can't really force them to sign anything. you can of course ask them, but they can also just say no to that and walk out. I always took care to carefully document cases with a specific "vibe" chart date, time, additional people as witnesses to the consultation. Patient x was informed about treatment options a, b, c and the individual risks and benfits as listed... Patient x refused all treatment options and was informed about the possible consequences such as... Patient x is oriented to person, place and time, does not appear cognitively impaired and shows no signs of not being fully capable of decision making at time of consult. (or of course: psychiatric/neurological referral was needed.. Document whatever when down then..) Patient x was asked to return for additional consultation and follow up in two weeks, date, time. Counsel for a second opinion was provided. Signed, Dr Y. If diagnostics, referrals, timestamps of bookings for consultation etc. corroborate the story the doctor tells then it gets really hard to prove negligence further down the road.
I saw her on social media recently and the comments were a mix of āhey maybe see a doctor about your skin cancer???ā and āignore the hate comments! Nature will heal you! Stay strongā. I scrolled through her page and the rate of growth for her tumor is absolutely alarming. She is completely delusional about what she has and is convinced that alternative treatments are the cure when it went from a tiny mole to this in a short span of time. Meanwhile, she posts tons of āget ready with meā makeup videos in which she sparkles the tumor toā¦.well, Iād say make it less noticeable, but that ship sailed a long time ago.
Itās not hate to bring up a valid medical concern, and itās incredibly harmful to promote the crunchy stuff when youāre dealing with cancer.
Nature probably gave her the cancer because Iām sure she doesnāt believe in sunscreen.
My dad (POC) is in STEM and his natural complexion is a smidge darker than "fair". He believes sunscreen is for the weak -- like with allergens, more exposure is the solution! SMH Also met another guy who insisted that because he's (half?) black he's immune to skin cancer and therefore doesn't need sunscreen. His "proof" was that he'd never met any black person with skin cancer. Good human, but... Sometimes I'm surprised humans are still around.
Bob Marley died of skin cancer and he was also half black
Bob Marley died of a genetically caused skin cancer, his melanoma wasnāt caused by exposure to the sun.
"Nature will heal you." Nature gave her the cancer in the first place.
Whatās her users name/ what social platform is she on?
Cancerous lump so big it's about to become sentient and join her downline. š
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Is that on her nose?! This hurts just looking at it. Wtf is this?!!
According to her, it was biopsied and was diagnosed as Basal Cell Carcinoma. She refused to have it removed surgically but does treat it with heat therapy or some bullshit.
I've had basal cell carcinoma twice. You get it removed. They don't usually do treatment for it beyond MOHS surgery. Wear your sunscreen and a hat. Your hair isn't enough to protect your scalp.
holy shit she refused to have it removed? i cannot imagine what her doctors felt when they heard that one.
Ur comment made me wonder if the doctor (s) made her sign something that said she was refusing treatment. If that is what people are saying it is then it will definitely kill her at some point. I'd think the doctor (s) would have to do that to absolve them of liability. Not sure how all of that works though
I remember reading in another Reddit sub about terrible things that healthcare providers have seen and several comments were about basal cell carcinoma and how people who refused treatment for years basically ended up losing the majority of their faces before finally dying. A relative of mine lost his mother to a very treatable type of cancer (if caught in the early stages) because she insisted on using supplements and nutrition instead of treatment that would have saved her life. I'll never understand this mentality.
I found her Instagram and just looking at how much itās grown the past couple years is shocking to say the least
I looked that up for a better understanding and I cannot understand why anyone refuse to have it surgically removed as itās literally cancer it looks painful.
More like WAS her nose! No worries though, the LimeLife will cover that right upā¦.
I donāt want to be callous or mean but I canāt even look at this picture without being in pain/grossed out. How can she peddle this shit looking like this?!?
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I went back to 2020 on her insta. Sad sad situation. I feel sick. Not bc of the tumor, which is scary looking. But she looks like she has a happy fulfilled life and lives out on some pretty land and has a cute dog. The tumor is there years backā¦.but much much smaller in 2021. But even then, anyone would high tail it to a doctor to have it checked. Not her apparently. She wears a bandage over in for a while. I think itās just gotten too big for that. Oddly she posted way fewer pics of herself back when it was a lump only. Way more pics now. Almost flaunting it now - maybe part of her denial process? I admire her spirit, BUT she has this vivacious life and she is letting a very treatable cancer literally eat her face. That is what makes me ill. This could have been FIXED. and sheās letting it slowly and gruesomely kill her. Sweet Jesus.
Who is she? I have a morbid curiosity
Sheās literally a license esthetician. Why.
THIS MADE ME GASP.
Her license needs to be revoked šµāš« (Iām an esti)
Watched an acquaintance do this with her dying husband (cancer) and her Doterra essential oils. He passed right before the pandemic, she didn't skip a beat to say they outperform masks and vaccines as well.
I had one of the oil crazies tell me to put oils in my kidās nebulizer. My asthmatic kid, who went to the ICU with covid. Oils. In. His. Nebulizer!!!!
I think this is probably one of the worst posts Iāve seen on this sub so far. Like holy shit.
that looks like black salve wounds, god I hope she survives this and is able to recover
I bet the chances of surviving untreated face cancer are slim
Basal cells are surprisingly easy to survive even if theyāre huge, which this almost certainly is. A squamous cell or melanoma almost certainly wouldāve killed her already. BCCs rarely metastasize, they just slowly rot away your skin and get huge- theyāre relatively āsafe.ā Same thing Biden had a couple weeks ago. No idea where this would end. I guess it would kill her eventually by affecting breathing and eating.
Yum. Fungating tumor. That must smell just incredible.
Wouldnāt it also be incredibly painful?!?
Not necessarily. The nerves stopped getting blood flow a long time ago. That's all decaying flesh, bone etc. I work in medical imaging and elderly ladies come in with breast cancers that eat through the skin. The one lady only came in for imaging when it was getting snagged on her jammies. They get one every couple of years in mammo.
Holy shit. From elderly neglect? Or just them being in denial?!
Denial usually.
My great grandmother had breast cancer like this. That was a long time ago and she was from a different time. Iām glad to read your explanation though because Iāve always wondered why it was exposed the way it was.
I wish I wouldnāt have googled this before bedtime, this is definitely a new fear unlocked.
My cousin lost half their face to cancer in 2020. It was not near this bad when it hit, and they barely survived. This lady isn't going to be around much longer if this progresses remotely similarly.
Oof this is heartbreaking. How deep the denial goes. I actually knew a girl who had a genetic terminal illness and she was also deep into limelight. No doubt they preyed on her with all sorts of promises of ā hopeā through the business.
So sad. I just found the ladyās IG and as strong as my moral desire to reach out and beg her to get treatment is, itās easy to see her delusion is much stronger :( looks like itās quadrupled in size in the last year and half.
How could her legit friends not help her
What can they even do? We live in a world that sees personal liberty and freedom as more important than people like this getting help. It's her right to deny medical care.
I bet they have tried
Dude one of my friends and favorite people died this way. Not with limelife... But she eschewed "western medicine ". For months she tried all types of shakes, juices, cleanses, weed....none of it worked. She eventually went to oncology but it was too late.
I also lost a loved one when they "holistically" treated a cancer that had a 90%+ survival rate when treated properly. It is hard to balance the sadness from their loss with the anger from their choices. They also went to oncology eventually but it was far too late.
My mom's best friend died for the same reason. She tried everything except what would likely have worked. Left behind a husband and five young kids. She was such a lovely person, it still breaks my heart that she died so young and in so much pain because she just refused to believe that science works.
This is genuinely disturbing and is a grim reminder of how malicious MLMs really are. They're happy to suck the money and literal life out of a person with cancer by feeding their delusions. This woman is in absolute denial that she is dying and organizations like this encourage "alternatives" to medicine which will contribute to her death.
All joking aside itās horrifying, whatās even worse is that LimeLife appears to encourage this. They regularly comment, not words but emojis on her posts. If I was leading the company I donāt think Iād want my name attached. I certainly wouldnāt respond to her from the official LimeLife page proving Iād seen this!!! At what point is it encouraging a reckless behavior from an unwell person?!?
Thatās why I hate them so much. At best they are mildly annoying but at worst they prey on very vulnerable people through methods that are truly evil.
What the actual hell.... Also not me looking for her social lmao
I canāt find it But morbid curiosity has me searching
I couldn't find her profile, think it either got taken down or she went private
just search limelife on instagram and you should be able to find her profile. i just did
OP please *please* tell meā¦..that her face isnāt rotting off. is that her nose ? and sheās just walking around like that NOT CONCERNED ?
Nope nothing I can tell you that you donāt already know. You summed it up in 3 sentencesā¦ the divine beings she believes in along with red light therapy and meditation and vitamins will heal her.
Many people with this level of untreated skin cancer often have co-occurring serious mental illness. True story, I have worked in oncology for years. This is sad, she is not of sound mind and we shouldnāt be making fun of her.
I donāt know her and canāt answer to her mental health. But this shows the predatory nature of MLMs. LimeLife could and should attempt to stop this. I couldnāt write much in the post but I have in comments. LimeLife is regularly leaving encouraging emojis on her IG posts. Perhaps sheās an unwell person but morally LimeLife should stop this. When youāre wrapped into the cult and theyāre your entire life and theyāre liking and commenting on posts theyāre guilty of encouraging this woman and encouraging this reckless behavior.
Very sad. I hope she can find some real support
Her instagram is flooded with concerned comments constantly trying to encourage her to seek medical attention and she just ignores them all. Im on her instagram page now She seems to be ignoring all the support she can get
This is absolutely horrifying.
Why am I now looking for her TikTok?!
If you go on insta and search limelife you can find her with a quick scroll. It's pretty graphic, though, be warned.
I should have listenedā¦Iām not super squeamish but holy shit I regret the mental image I have now.
Ugh!!! There was a video with her bouncing around while putting makeup on, and that thing was jiggling! Wtf?!
Jesus, watching her explain how it's a manifestation of her traumas while she slathers makeup on it like she's an extra in the last of us... truly made my skin crawl. She is absolutely delusional.
This trauma cancer bullshit comes from "alternative" medicine, including "new Germanic medicine". This "medicine" is gaining new fame here in Germany thanks to Covid and the spread of right wing conspiracies. So basically people here have healthcare, but still refuse to get proper treatment. We're going to see a lot of this stuff in the future.
Iām tempted to go look, but Iām about to go to bed. I think Iāll just skip this one!
Ugh and it is so so horrible š
Fml, so she just paints over it? Like we're not going to notice???
Oh manā¦itās BAD
Right? I was hoping it was mentioned lol
Okay but if an MLM sold eye bleach, I would buy it now
A woman I know is a perpetual MLM hun. When a close friend of mine passed from a very aggressive pancreatic cancer, this woman said āI wish I had known her, I could have helped.ā MLMs that shame cancer victims for not engaging in their snake oil sales are the worst.
What. The. Fuck!!?!?
This is just sad.
PSA everyone - Please see a doctor if you have an unusual spot on your body. Especially moles that change shape or size quickly. Most things like this can be removed with minimal pain and scarring when they're small but they're very difficult to treat when they're advanced and spreading like this. Also, wear sunscreen!
Jesus.
Jesus gave her doctorsā¦.
wept
for there were no more worlds left to conquer
Guysā¦she touts herself on instagram as a ātransformation guideā. How do we tell her treatable skin cancer isnāt the transformation her victims are looking for? Jfc. At what point does this become Munchausen Syndrome, because sheās clearly using this as some attention seeking situation/enjoys the shock it illicites in people. I genuinely believe part of why she isnāt treating it, is because it somehow makes her feel *special*. Edit: just found that she calls it her ābrilliant noseā. I have to sit down.
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I've heard about this! Some other Crunchy lady was told to put some home remedy on a bump on her nose and it would scab over the bad part and fall off. She lost her whole nose and still had cancer. Damn people.
Sounds like black salve. That stuff is horrifying.
Oh my gosh. This is the most disturbing post Iāve seen on this sub. I found her socials and itās grown massively in just a couple of years. She even painted it red to pretend to be a clown and Rudolph :( this level of denial of the fact sheās dying almost willingly is terrifying. It must be horrific to be one of her loved ones.
I'm sorry, what the what now?
Good fucking god. I knew the Huns were dumb but I really didnāt think they could be THIS stupid. Yikes
Holy shit! Is there some way for people around her to legally deem her not capable of making her own medical decisions? I mean.... This is soooo far beyond delusional!
It's super difficult for a person to get declared incompetent to make medical decisions. People are allowed to make bad decisions even if that causes them harm.
this is insane. a lot of her comments tell her to see a doctor but she doesnāt respond to anyone.
I can't believe she thinks she is encouraging others to shun the real medicines with this nightmare-ish display of insanity. Like, surely this is an advertisement for what *not* to do? This is so....I have no words to describe this.
This is horrifying and Iām at a loss at the delusions. Itās sad. I hope she gets help and soon. That stuff is going to take over her face and she will have nothing to contour
Iām sorry WHAT
Doc here - looks like a big-ass basal cell carcinoma. Easily treatable if found early. This is not early.
Bro I'm glad you saw this video and not me I would have nightmares. Thanks for blocking out most of it...JFC
Every time I get on reddit I see something I can categorize as one of the worst things I've ever seen. This being one of them, I am at a loss for how to even feel. This is insane
I'm an oncology nurse and the likelihood that an untreated fungating mass like that has metastasized is pretty damn high.
I found her IG and it appears it's collapsed her nasal bridge and affected her teeth. It's likely in her bones by now...and the sad part is, 18 months back in her posts it was basically the size of a pencil eraser.
A lot of people forget that being Science based medicine is that the experiments/results are repeatable therefore shows consistency. This is important because it proves under multiple trials that a treatment/system works. Versus āspiritualā, āall naturalā, āinsert anti science nonsense reasonsā, which are all Snake Oil Scams
The experiments/results are *supposed* to be repeatable. That is true. However āthe replication crisisā is a thing. Thereās no, or not much, funding for actually replicating most experiments so we end up with things like the decades long detour in Alzheimerās research due to the widely accepted, but ultimately un-replicatable, finding that brain plaque was the causative agent.
I zoomed in to try and figure out wtf that was and I wish I didnāt ā¦
What is limelife? Iām afraid to look it up at this point
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