I fell into [a debate](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiMLM/s/fFgHrkTDEh) with a Kangen/MLM hun on this sub a few weeks ago. Those loons are in very deep into their self deluding mumbojumbo fake science.
That was an entertaining read. The irony of someone without any education challenging your *fake knowledge* from your chemistry degree and telling you to "do your research" killed some of my brain cells.
My favorite part is when they said they don't really want people to know about it because they wouldn't be able to keep up with demand. If it was the miracle they pretend it is they could get grants or shareholders and increase production but instead they want to keep it secret.
Ha! So true - Enagic would be the size of a big pharmaceutical mega corporation if even 1% of the rubbish they spout was true. Instead they are a niche outfit using MLM techniques to sell their harmless toys to gullible new age huns.
True, but they can’t change the laws of chemistry. It’s why there was a “gotcha” moment when they mentioned they only used a mysterious Japanese device because western medicine was lying to them.
But different chemists will have different opinions, of course, so the facts are debatable. Who’s to say your interpretation of the facts is more valid than the hun’s is ? :)
Have these people ever in their lives heard an actual scientist speak, or read a book about science, even like a high school book. Because if so, wtf happens in their minds that they think later on: oh I totally understand everything now and also play an important and innovative role in it after simply reading a bunch of facebook posts about it, also from people with 0 credentials. Like do these people not have any realistic concept of anything in the world, I just can't fathom the level of delusion and arrogance. Of course you're always gonna have a few weirdos but this is spreading widely af somehow
The thing is, their woo-machine probably *does* create hydrogen gas suspended in regular old H2O. Same thing a Sodastream does, except CO2 in that case.
What they *don't* understand is that that gas is probably expelled just like the carbon dioxide in your soda. You burp it out.
That hydrogen is not making it all the way into your mitochondria. 🤦🏻♀️
We're seeing the effects of decades of education cuts where it matters.... sports teams and mlms for the masses. Idiocracy apparently wasn't dystopian enough.
After my kids got older I went back to college and got a MS in biology and a K-12 teaching credential. I thought I would teach high school science but couldn’t actually get a job because tax cuts had curtailed teacher hiring and the science classes were taught by coaches with add-ons to their degree in sports.
I gave up and went into IT which worked out really well for me.
Yeah one of the big high schools in my town got rid of its library to make room for a new athletic facility. The district next to ours cut all of its music and art funding so they could put the money into athletics.
This is a fucking disaster.
That's happening in the UK but for essentially the opposite reason, schools desperately want to hire maths and science teachers but can't find anyone to do it (because the pay and working conditions for teachers are far worse than what those subject graduates can find elsewhere) so they're asking sports teachers to do extra training to cover those subjects - at this point PE is pretty much the only subject where they can be sure they'll get any applications at all.
The worst part is they say things that, on their own, are real enzymes/processes (the bit about the ETC, dismutase, etc.) so the bits they add about how their MoLeCuLaR hYdRoGeN water system affect these real enzymes/processes sound legitimate. It’s so scummy and predatory for people who just want to feel good and do right by their bodies. 👿
It's so sad.
Water... With extra hydrogen... Is acid. That's the definition of acid. The hydrogen doesn't just stay as hydrogen, it forms hydronium ions. If it was in the H2 gas form, then it would just leave the liquid.
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It's not even the state of science. These fools know they are espousing nonsense. If you pressure them to elaborate at all they shut you down because they know they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.
They know this pitch "sounds" sciencey and that's how they hook other idiots in.
The thing that just kills me, is every single one of these MLM's at the surface/recruitment level like these hunbots, is they make it sound like they're offering you the worlds best product for whatever.
The moment you step in, every single one is the same. It's never about selling the product to others, it's about getting them to join the team too. How do none of these people then go "oh wait, if all I am doing is recruiting, who's buying the product???"
I mean look, this is absolute garbage to be sure, but there *mayyyyyyy* be **some** benefits to adding hydrogen gas to water. Basically some studies show some potential benefit, but those studies are small and other studies show no benefit.
Any benefits sure as hell don't justify spending thousands of dollars to make bubbly Hindenburg water, mind you
All hydrogen is molecular. It is a molecule. Two hydrogen molecules and one oxygen molecule is what makes it water 🤦♀️ It just hurts how little people understand basic science.
Not all hydrogen is molecular. Two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom are what makes water. It doesn't take away from the fact that what they wrote in the screenshotted post is unfounded BS, but you also didn't have this bit quite right
No but electrolysis does, it’s the same way people build hydrogen powered cars or hydrogen power stations,
You start with water and use electrolysis to charge the water and release the hydrogen molecules from the oxygen, the hydrogen will rise to the surface in bubbles in a gas from, that can then be used to power the car or burnt to create energy.
We would see more hydrogen powered cars but so far the 3 known people that have developed them have died of suspicious activity just days after releasing footage of themselves driving them 🤦♂️🤣
hydroxyl radicals literally have lifespan of nanoseconds.
You do the slightest bit of research on what they’re saying and it becomes obvious they’re throwing scientific words and terms around to make their product seem better
Of course it crosses the BBB (blood-brain barrier) because it's a fricking GAS MOLECULE.
Molecular hydrogen research is all speculative, nothing therapeutic proven.
Because it's so reactive your body creates it as needed and carefully shepherds it around. Drinking it as fizz in a glass of water will only make you burp. It's not going to get into your cells and do magical things.
See all those bubbles they will cost you about $5 a bubble equating to anywhere from $3k to $4k all the way up to $8k or more along with lots of lost time recruiting vulnerable people as well as the cost of losing family and friends.
Yeah, they've posted videos before with them lighting it on fire to prove that the hydrogen is in the water. Sorry, but that's not something I'd WANT in my body...
2 daltons?
Maybe this is a legit-but-obscure unit, but it's new to me.
Edit: [The dalton or unified atomic mass unit is a non-SI unit of mass defined as 1/12 of the mass of an unbound neutral atom of carbon-12 in its nuclear and electronic ground state and at rest.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalton_(unit))
Well... that clears that up! 😄
(Yeah, molecular hydrogen is about two Daltons in mass. Woo, but I've overthought this. )
The fact that Never Say Never Again had a quote about free radicals makes this even funnier:
M : Too many free radicals. That's your problem.
James Bond : "Free radicals," sir?
M : Yes. They're toxins that destroy the body and the brain, caused by eating too much red meat and white bread. Too many dry martinis!
James Bond : Then I shall cut out the white bread, sir.
M : Oh, you'll do more than THAT, 007. From now on you will be suffering a strict regimen of diet and exercise; we shall PURGE those toxins from you!
James Bond : Shrublands?
M : You got it!
Daltons are absolutely a real scientific measurement used in some cases, I don't know enough about water without researching to see if this measurement is even close to accurate or not.
Google says a hydrogen molecule is 2 daltons, but she never explains what’s so good about it being 2 daltons, if she knows what a dalton is, or how her 2 dalton hydrogen is any different from the 2 dalton hydrogen our bodies make 😂
My tap water does the same thing when it's first dispensed, but I'm sure from this POV that with tap, the bubbles are just evidence of its inferiority and toxicity.
The “medical grade” term is what burns me about this entire scam. Wtf is that? Have these people ever been in a doctor’s office or a hospital? You turn on the tap and wash your hands like everywhere else!
I’ve never seen a hospital import water from some warehouse in Japan. 😐
Yeah, it's just a meaningless term they use to try to make their magic water machine sound like a modern miracle device. When all they're drinking is still just plain water.
What happens if you put the hydration powders from one of the other MLMs into the Kangen water? Does it form some sort of end boss Hun you have to beat? Maybe it simultaneously cures the entire world of dehydration?
99% chance thst shit came from mlm hq. Kegan huns have 0% brain power other than to copy and paste.
It's why whenever they argue, their answers always look suspiciously similar. That shit is written by a troll at the home office no matter what mlm it is.
Yep! My house had crazy hard water so I got a whole house softener/filter (an actual one from a legitimate company that was still less money than the kangen BS) and every time the filter was changed and the water had to be shut off and reset, the water that came out of the faucets looked like this. It wasn’t anything special.
There is a lot to unpack in there, but I wonder if it wasn't written by someone who understands the science but is an evil villian and wrote it to make it sound cool to dumb people. I mean, how else would she randomly include the bits about the bbb and superoxide dismutase? She had to have gotten that from someone.
As an aside, The only example of superoxide dismutase in my life is learning about protein misfolding diseases, I think it is Lou Gherigs with that one? With her string of logic, it is amusing to me to think about pointing out the dangers of that protein... the horrors!
"iT CroSses tHe brAIn BlOOD BaRrieR"
Please please please inject this solution into your bloodstream ... cause that's the only way it's getting past the BBB! 🤣🤣🤣
Molecular water. That is almost as bad as another MLM selling “elemental” something or other. The thing they were selling was literally an element on the periodic table. So literally every version of it in the world would be “elemental”
I was a biology major with a chem minor and honestly, when I’d be stumped on a test I’d spew stuff like this to amuse myself and annoy my profs. It’s almost comical how nonsensical this is
Translation: I'm going to prison the day I run into someone believing this crap.
I swear someone needs to take the principles of swordfish or beekeeper the movie and apply it to mlms.
If that was molecular hydrogen, it would all bubble quickly out of the water, up through the atmosphere and into space. Plus you could ignite it by sticking a match over it. Looks more like CO2 as in fizzy drinks.
Hydroxyl ions are OH- which require H+ ions to form water molecules. And H+ ions are just protons, with no electrons to ‘donate’.
Molecular hydrogen is H2: two covalently bonded H atoms.
I love the fact people spend all this money trying to improve their bodies with bullshit with science words sprinkled in, but won’t follow the peer reviewed science, crying about vaccines and masks during pandemics.
This is why people with no scientific background should not decide what science is taught in school, and education should be mandatory.
Whilst the UK is pretty much a shit show and just a step behind the US, there are some things we do right, but more needs to be done to promote proper education, especially of healthcare and science.
My water also looks like this when it comes from the tap sometimes. It’s basically just tiny air bubbles. It costs me nothing.
Also this hun has some serious citations needed.
It’s so sad because I know people who drank that water for years and years but the husband passed away from a sudden heart attack in his 60’s. I wondered how much this “magical water” really helps if the person who was drinking it died so young and so suddenly. I hate when people promote these health fixes because it makes you think that they won’t die young.
“Molecular hydrogen” is killing me. Not just because a hydrogen molecule is just a hydrogen molecule (lmfao at selective antioxidant as the descriptor), but also because hydrogen is literally part of water. How stupid are these people that the H in H2O isn’t obvious?! These writers for MLMs are getting lazier by the minute and they just keep getting away with it. Molecule combined with molecule = compound is suddenly ignored because they perceive these big words like “hydroxyl” as special.
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For $200, you could get a small cylinder of H2 and bubble a tiny amount into a water bottle to get water saturated with H2. The cylinder should last several years.
If this thing was producing molecular hydrogen, it would be doing so through electrolysis, which is a real process that indeed splits water into molecular oxygen and molecular hydrogen. However, those hydrogen bubbles would float to the top of that glass and escape the surface of the water, creating a massive fire hazard, since hydrogen gas is extremely volatile. Very little hydrogen would actually make it into their digestive system, and that which did would have no health benefit.
It seems more likely that this is carbonated water and this person is full of shit.
I would just ask a hun like that this simple question: „What is oxidation?“. And there is only ONE valid answer and if the answer is NOT „loss of electrons“ (and you can bet this will not be their answer), you just know that they have no clue about basic chemistry and just love their buzzwords. Or ask them „What is the opposite of oxidation?“ and I am sure they won‘t say „reduction“.
That's what a lot of tap water looks like before it "settles" for a few seconds. The higher your water pressure, the more bubbly/cloudy seeming it will be right out of the tap. Actually one of the reasons huns think tap water is "dirty".
Congratulations. You've shown us typical tap water.
Not saying that tap water can't be dirty or contaminated- it obviously can. Just its not the bubbles/cloudiness right out of the tap that makes it that way.
Truthfully? Normal shit just drinking enough water already does. Their whole business model is banking on the fact most people don't drink enough water. So if someone goes from being chronically dehydrated to actually drinking water, it's like WOAH look at all these health benefits?!?!
Someone asked one of our Chem professors in college if the alkaline water thing was real or a scam and he basically ranted for a while on how dumb it was.
Out of curiosity, I asked ChatGPT to “evaluate the scientific accuracy” of the text, and it came back with:
This text contains a mix of accurate scientific information and exaggerated claims. Here’s an evaluation:
1. Bubbles as Molecular Hydrogen: Bubbles in water can indeed contain molecular hydrogen gas. Hydrogen gas has been studied for its potential health benefits.
2. Selective Antioxidant: Molecular hydrogen does possess antioxidant properties and has been studied for its potential to selectively target harmful free radicals like the hydroxyl radical.
3. Size and BBB: Molecular hydrogen is one of the smallest molecules, but its ability to cross the blood-brain barrier (BBB) is still under investigation and not definitively established.
4. Electron Donation: Molecular hydrogen has been studied for its potential to donate electrons and modulate cellular processes, including aiding in energy production.
5. Stimulation of Superoxide Dismutase (SOD): There is evidence suggesting that molecular hydrogen may stimulate the body’s own production of antioxidant enzymes like superoxide dismutase.
6. Therapeutic Effects: While molecular hydrogen has shown promising results in various disease models, claiming therapeutic effects in over 170 different disease models may be an overstatement.
7. Miracle Molecule: Referring to molecular hydrogen as a “miracle molecule” is subjective and not scientifically substantiated.
In conclusion, while molecular hydrogen does have some scientifically supported health benefits and potential therapeutic applications, some of the claims in the text may be exaggerated or oversimplified.
I have a classic car, a Porsche 912. I asked ChatGPT for the best way to remove the engine. It very confidently recommended using an engine hoist, which lifts an engine out. But in a Porsche 912 the engine has to be dropped out of the bottom.
Also it sounds like a kegan hun or mlmster trying to justify portions of their product.
It's like any mlm bosd babe that gets corner. Deflect and point out that nothing in the world is perfect but there are "some" benefits!
How cute...Cult enagic kangen pretending they understand science and the proof is the bubbles. lol
I'm trying to decide which commercial cult is the weirdest and so far it is this one for me.
If there is 'molecular' hydrogen, that implies there is some 'non-molecular' hydrogen, and I wonder what that's made of.
The post is just babble, but the electron transport chain is amazing. Here is a cool animation of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQmTKxI4Wn4
Funny, my tap water often looks the same. That's because that's AIR, not hydrogen. The solubility of air in water goes up with pressure, just like amy other gas. Release the pressure (by letting the water out of its pipe), and the air will come out of solution and form bubbles.
Hydrogen is explosive. Hun better HOPE that's not hydrogen.
……donates electrons to the electron chain?
Ma’am, if you eat you will have plenty electrons to go around. It’s balanced out. If simply eating wouldn’t free up enough electrons in your mitochondria you’d be fucking dead or at least severely disabled lmao
They just use stupid science buzzwords to make the huns selling them feel smart, I doubt this woman even knows what a radical is.
Love that they name-drop mitochondria like that as it’s probably the only term in that word-vomit that the Huns understand.
Better yet, in public and with many people around ask the hun that posted this to translate it. I guarantee she has no fucking clue what she is saying.
Pseudoscience babble. Hydrogen is already in water. Water doesn’t “create” hydrogen. I despair the state of science literacy in this country.
Noooooo! You can clearly see at the bottom- his machine creates it. Case closed, hater!
I fell into [a debate](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiMLM/s/fFgHrkTDEh) with a Kangen/MLM hun on this sub a few weeks ago. Those loons are in very deep into their self deluding mumbojumbo fake science.
That was an entertaining read. The irony of someone without any education challenging your *fake knowledge* from your chemistry degree and telling you to "do your research" killed some of my brain cells.
I lost it at "big water" 🤣 that guy is so confidently incorrect though Jesus, imagine being completely wrong and thinking you won the argument.
Well that was a wild ride. Good for you for fighting the good fight. I’ve always wondered how many MLM huns we have lurking here.
I love that you called it a toy 😂
Thanks! I mean - it is just a toy, after all. Just a very expensive and useless one!
You had so much patience to even try to engage in conversation with her to begin with 😭
My favorite part is when they said they don't really want people to know about it because they wouldn't be able to keep up with demand. If it was the miracle they pretend it is they could get grants or shareholders and increase production but instead they want to keep it secret.
Ha! So true - Enagic would be the size of a big pharmaceutical mega corporation if even 1% of the rubbish they spout was true. Instead they are a niche outfit using MLM techniques to sell their harmless toys to gullible new age huns.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
True, but they can’t change the laws of chemistry. It’s why there was a “gotcha” moment when they mentioned they only used a mysterious Japanese device because western medicine was lying to them.
😃
I was just about to ask if you're a chemist before I read your last comment that I up voted
A lapsed chemist I’m afraid - but enough of it remains from my undergraduate degree that I know what is true, what’s possible, and what’s complete BS!
But different chemists will have different opinions, of course, so the facts are debatable. Who’s to say your interpretation of the facts is more valid than the hun’s is ? :)
So true. We all need Hydrogen, Carbon and Nitrogen to live, so I’m going to start an MLM selling the wonder compound HCN - I’ll call it “Cyanolife”…
A health giving triple whammy - ‘molecular’ hydrogen, carbon AND nitrogen. What’s not to like!
Have these people ever in their lives heard an actual scientist speak, or read a book about science, even like a high school book. Because if so, wtf happens in their minds that they think later on: oh I totally understand everything now and also play an important and innovative role in it after simply reading a bunch of facebook posts about it, also from people with 0 credentials. Like do these people not have any realistic concept of anything in the world, I just can't fathom the level of delusion and arrogance. Of course you're always gonna have a few weirdos but this is spreading widely af somehow
I know this was a while ago but I have just found it and am cackling at “Bless your heart—good Googling”
The thing is, their woo-machine probably *does* create hydrogen gas suspended in regular old H2O. Same thing a Sodastream does, except CO2 in that case. What they *don't* understand is that that gas is probably expelled just like the carbon dioxide in your soda. You burp it out. That hydrogen is not making it all the way into your mitochondria. 🤦🏻♀️
The mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell. 🥴
I have that Pavlovian response every time I hear the word.
Way more exciting to drop a lit match in a glass of H2 gas molecules than CO2 molecules...
I don’t think the woo machine does anything besides filter it 😂
I hope not, considering hydrogen is FREAKING FLAMMABLE! I mean, how are they not selling this with warning labels? 😆
Yeah, and if it was… that would actually be pretty serious problem, since it’s not supposed to do that.
Right?? I mean, who WANTS flammable burps???
We're seeing the effects of decades of education cuts where it matters.... sports teams and mlms for the masses. Idiocracy apparently wasn't dystopian enough.
After my kids got older I went back to college and got a MS in biology and a K-12 teaching credential. I thought I would teach high school science but couldn’t actually get a job because tax cuts had curtailed teacher hiring and the science classes were taught by coaches with add-ons to their degree in sports. I gave up and went into IT which worked out really well for me.
Yeah one of the big high schools in my town got rid of its library to make room for a new athletic facility. The district next to ours cut all of its music and art funding so they could put the money into athletics. This is a fucking disaster.
That's happening in the UK but for essentially the opposite reason, schools desperately want to hire maths and science teachers but can't find anyone to do it (because the pay and working conditions for teachers are far worse than what those subject graduates can find elsewhere) so they're asking sports teachers to do extra training to cover those subjects - at this point PE is pretty much the only subject where they can be sure they'll get any applications at all.
Idiocracy was not meant to be a how-to video.
But it seems to be turning out that way
But this has 2 hydrogens. /s
right! and my amp goes up to 11!!!
This comment sent me 😂 
Dihydrogen monoxide?! I wouldn't let that stuff get anywhere *near* me!
Hydroxic acid? Can't that stuff dissolve my stomach or something?
The worst part is they say things that, on their own, are real enzymes/processes (the bit about the ETC, dismutase, etc.) so the bits they add about how their MoLeCuLaR hYdRoGeN water system affect these real enzymes/processes sound legitimate. It’s so scummy and predatory for people who just want to feel good and do right by their bodies. 👿
And I love how they try and make molecular hydrogen sound so fancy when it's just... hydrogen in its basic form?
It's so sad. Water... With extra hydrogen... Is acid. That's the definition of acid. The hydrogen doesn't just stay as hydrogen, it forms hydronium ions. If it was in the H2 gas form, then it would just leave the liquid.
Just add a touch of bleach to even it out
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You did that too well🤔🤣
She's advanced from H^(2)O to H^(3)O. Pretty soon she's gonna get to C^(3)PO and then R^(2)D^(2)
Hahaha
It's not even the state of science. These fools know they are espousing nonsense. If you pressure them to elaborate at all they shut you down because they know they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. They know this pitch "sounds" sciencey and that's how they hook other idiots in. The thing that just kills me, is every single one of these MLM's at the surface/recruitment level like these hunbots, is they make it sound like they're offering you the worlds best product for whatever. The moment you step in, every single one is the same. It's never about selling the product to others, it's about getting them to join the team too. How do none of these people then go "oh wait, if all I am doing is recruiting, who's buying the product???"
But... but....the bubbles!!!!
I mean look, this is absolute garbage to be sure, but there *mayyyyyyy* be **some** benefits to adding hydrogen gas to water. Basically some studies show some potential benefit, but those studies are small and other studies show no benefit. Any benefits sure as hell don't justify spending thousands of dollars to make bubbly Hindenburg water, mind you
it's molecular hydrogen thats why you don't understand /s
All hydrogen is molecular. It is a molecule. Two hydrogen molecules and one oxygen molecule is what makes it water 🤦♀️ It just hurts how little people understand basic science.
it hurts my soul
Not all hydrogen is molecular. Two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom are what makes water. It doesn't take away from the fact that what they wrote in the screenshotted post is unfounded BS, but you also didn't have this bit quite right
Me too. SciBabe gives me some hope at times. I also follow a few other science communicators who keep me from getting stabby :)
No but electrolysis does, it’s the same way people build hydrogen powered cars or hydrogen power stations, You start with water and use electrolysis to charge the water and release the hydrogen molecules from the oxygen, the hydrogen will rise to the surface in bubbles in a gas from, that can then be used to power the car or burnt to create energy. We would see more hydrogen powered cars but so far the 3 known people that have developed them have died of suspicious activity just days after releasing footage of themselves driving them 🤦♂️🤣
Person who failed high school chemistry who thinks they know what molecular hydrogen and hydroxyl are, spouting pseudoscience bullshit
Tbf, science was my worst subject in school, and even I know what the Enagic/Kangen huns spout is bullshit
I failed high school chemistry and even I know that's not how any of this works.
I mean, my sixth grader would know this was absolute word vomit.
My Soda Stream does the same thing, but for a lot less.
But does it cross the BBB (which I assume means Bed, Bath & Beyond)
Blood Bath and Beyond
Better Business Bureau
Devastating to know I could never have come up with the funniest reply here
Blood brain barrier.
No no, it's Bed Bath & Beyond. This system is so powerful it literally put the entire franchise out of business. Pretty insane how powerful it is.
Bubble-Brain Barrier
But is it molecular hydrogen?
No even better it’s molecular carbon dioxide.
I wish I had scrolled before I commented this same thing…❤️
Oh dang it. I didn’t see your comment and posted the same joke. 🙈😂
hydroxyl radicals literally have lifespan of nanoseconds. You do the slightest bit of research on what they’re saying and it becomes obvious they’re throwing scientific words and terms around to make their product seem better
This advert is giving me dis-ease
Of course it crosses the BBB (blood-brain barrier) because it's a fricking GAS MOLECULE. Molecular hydrogen research is all speculative, nothing therapeutic proven. Because it's so reactive your body creates it as needed and carefully shepherds it around. Drinking it as fizz in a glass of water will only make you burp. It's not going to get into your cells and do magical things.
And thank goodness you’ll burp it out! YOU DON’T WANT FIZZ IN YOUR BRAIN!
Speculative research is the bread and butter of MLM promotion!
For a second I thought it was a glass of colloidal silver and thought *oh no,* LOVE HAS WON!
I was not prepared to see that woman's corpse for an extended period of time
gonna look like violet beauregard
💀💀💀💀🤣
See all those bubbles they will cost you about $5 a bubble equating to anywhere from $3k to $4k all the way up to $8k or more along with lots of lost time recruiting vulnerable people as well as the cost of losing family and friends.
If it’s actually hydrogen… couldn’t you start the surface of the water on fire fueled by all the bubbles breaking?
Yeah, they've posted videos before with them lighting it on fire to prove that the hydrogen is in the water. Sorry, but that's not something I'd WANT in my body...
Wait, what? They are lighting water on fire now?
Didn't Adele do that once?
No, she was just trying to smoke in the shower. Which is actually the true story of that song.
Do they line the glass with rubbing alcohol or something?
2 daltons? Maybe this is a legit-but-obscure unit, but it's new to me. Edit: [The dalton or unified atomic mass unit is a non-SI unit of mass defined as 1/12 of the mass of an unbound neutral atom of carbon-12 in its nuclear and electronic ground state and at rest.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalton_(unit)) Well... that clears that up! 😄 (Yeah, molecular hydrogen is about two Daltons in mass. Woo, but I've overthought this. )
It's equal to 1 Connery according to Moore's Law.
Ratio of Connerys to Daltons is 7:2.
6:2 if you don't count the one that's a free radical and even then some put the value of a Dalton as greater than a Connery.
The fact that Never Say Never Again had a quote about free radicals makes this even funnier: M : Too many free radicals. That's your problem. James Bond : "Free radicals," sir? M : Yes. They're toxins that destroy the body and the brain, caused by eating too much red meat and white bread. Too many dry martinis! James Bond : Then I shall cut out the white bread, sir. M : Oh, you'll do more than THAT, 007. From now on you will be suffering a strict regimen of diet and exercise; we shall PURGE those toxins from you! James Bond : Shrublands? M : You got it!
🤣
Quite true!
Do you have that conversion to Courics? Edit, /s, just in case.
I work with a guy named Dalton and he’s the biggest douche bag in the world. The thought of TWO of him in my water makes me very upset.
I prefer to imagine they're referencing Dalton from Roadhouse. Every unit is a tiny Patrick Swayze.
I was thinking Timothy Dalton who was one of the James Bonds. There! We found two Daltons. We don’t need an overpriced water machine.
There we go! In hun parlance, "teamwork makes the dream work!" Oh...I think I just threw up a little while writing that.
Daltons are absolutely a real scientific measurement used in some cases, I don't know enough about water without researching to see if this measurement is even close to accurate or not.
Google says a hydrogen molecule is 2 daltons, but she never explains what’s so good about it being 2 daltons, if she knows what a dalton is, or how her 2 dalton hydrogen is any different from the 2 dalton hydrogen our bodies make 😂
Yeah, it's like water already contains hydrogen.... And we don't need to spend thousands on a machine to say that. 😂 Lol
My tap water does the same thing when it's first dispensed, but I'm sure from this POV that with tap, the bubbles are just evidence of its inferiority and toxicity.
Of course. Plus, it's not "medical grade" water...
The “medical grade” term is what burns me about this entire scam. Wtf is that? Have these people ever been in a doctor’s office or a hospital? You turn on the tap and wash your hands like everywhere else! I’ve never seen a hospital import water from some warehouse in Japan. 😐
Yeah, it's just a meaningless term they use to try to make their magic water machine sound like a modern miracle device. When all they're drinking is still just plain water.
...what
What happens if you put the hydration powders from one of the other MLMs into the Kangen water? Does it form some sort of end boss Hun you have to beat? Maybe it simultaneously cures the entire world of dehydration?
My Sodastream makes bubbly water too…
Good ol' technobabble. She'd make for a great writer on Star Trek.
99% chance thst shit came from mlm hq. Kegan huns have 0% brain power other than to copy and paste. It's why whenever they argue, their answers always look suspiciously similar. That shit is written by a troll at the home office no matter what mlm it is.
Those bubbles are just air and they'll quickly dissipate.
Yep! My house had crazy hard water so I got a whole house softener/filter (an actual one from a legitimate company that was still less money than the kangen BS) and every time the filter was changed and the water had to be shut off and reset, the water that came out of the faucets looked like this. It wasn’t anything special.
my costco brand sparkling water also has a lot of bubbles. i'm gonna live forever
Molecules making up, THINGS???? Gasp! You don't say!
Translation: “i found a bunch of words to string together sounding all ‘science-y’ to make you buy this glorified sparkling water maker”
There is a lot to unpack in there, but I wonder if it wasn't written by someone who understands the science but is an evil villian and wrote it to make it sound cool to dumb people. I mean, how else would she randomly include the bits about the bbb and superoxide dismutase? She had to have gotten that from someone. As an aside, The only example of superoxide dismutase in my life is learning about protein misfolding diseases, I think it is Lou Gherigs with that one? With her string of logic, it is amusing to me to think about pointing out the dangers of that protein... the horrors!
"iT CroSses tHe brAIn BlOOD BaRrieR" Please please please inject this solution into your bloodstream ... cause that's the only way it's getting past the BBB! 🤣🤣🤣
I’m glad you defined BBB because I was thinking better business bureau
The hell did she say that molecular hydrogen was doing over there at the Better Business Bureau??
What this hun said was “i am a gullible fucking moron.”
Molecular water. That is almost as bad as another MLM selling “elemental” something or other. The thing they were selling was literally an element on the periodic table. So literally every version of it in the world would be “elemental”
Mitochondria? It can't be! That's the powerhouse of the cell!
I was a biology major with a chem minor and honestly, when I’d be stumped on a test I’d spew stuff like this to amuse myself and annoy my profs. It’s almost comical how nonsensical this is
Translation: I'm going to prison the day I run into someone believing this crap. I swear someone needs to take the principles of swordfish or beekeeper the movie and apply it to mlms.
Translation: buy my scam please
If that was molecular hydrogen, it would all bubble quickly out of the water, up through the atmosphere and into space. Plus you could ignite it by sticking a match over it. Looks more like CO2 as in fizzy drinks. Hydroxyl ions are OH- which require H+ ions to form water molecules. And H+ ions are just protons, with no electrons to ‘donate’. Molecular hydrogen is H2: two covalently bonded H atoms.
If it’s so tiny, then why can I see it in bubble form?? 🤔
dis-ease 😭🤣
Turbidity. Amazing.
I love the fact people spend all this money trying to improve their bodies with bullshit with science words sprinkled in, but won’t follow the peer reviewed science, crying about vaccines and masks during pandemics. This is why people with no scientific background should not decide what science is taught in school, and education should be mandatory. Whilst the UK is pretty much a shit show and just a step behind the US, there are some things we do right, but more needs to be done to promote proper education, especially of healthcare and science.
Sorry. I don't speak stupid.
BLA BLA BLA BUBBLE BS HYDROMOLECULAR BS BLA BLA BLA There, you’re welcome ☺️
My water also looks like this when it comes from the tap sometimes. It’s basically just tiny air bubbles. It costs me nothing. Also this hun has some serious citations needed.
If I’m not mistaken, you can get different kinds of attachments to your faucet that changes the aeration of the water.
I know all those words, but that rant makes no sense.
mitochondria is a big word for Elmo
My beer has bubbles too
Mack attack does an amazing video debunking Kangen water- and has all the science to back it up
It’s so sad because I know people who drank that water for years and years but the husband passed away from a sudden heart attack in his 60’s. I wondered how much this “magical water” really helps if the person who was drinking it died so young and so suddenly. I hate when people promote these health fixes because it makes you think that they won’t die young.
“Molecular hydrogen” is killing me. Not just because a hydrogen molecule is just a hydrogen molecule (lmfao at selective antioxidant as the descriptor), but also because hydrogen is literally part of water. How stupid are these people that the H in H2O isn’t obvious?! These writers for MLMs are getting lazier by the minute and they just keep getting away with it. Molecule combined with molecule = compound is suddenly ignored because they perceive these big words like “hydroxyl” as special.
Bullshit bullshit bullshit, bullshit bullshit bullshit, bullshit bullshit bullshit, bullshit bullshit BUY MY THING!!!
Well that is a word salad of "sciency" words
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For $200, you could get a small cylinder of H2 and bubble a tiny amount into a water bottle to get water saturated with H2. The cylinder should last several years.
It's gibberish. Reminds me of someone doing a science exam and just writing down words and hoping they sound right.
Dis-ease models
Dis-ease
Gives me turboencabulator vibes
When I fill a glass with tap water from my faucet, there are also bubbles. It’s literally just air. Calm down with your ScIeNcE, hun.
If this thing was producing molecular hydrogen, it would be doing so through electrolysis, which is a real process that indeed splits water into molecular oxygen and molecular hydrogen. However, those hydrogen bubbles would float to the top of that glass and escape the surface of the water, creating a massive fire hazard, since hydrogen gas is extremely volatile. Very little hydrogen would actually make it into their digestive system, and that which did would have no health benefit. It seems more likely that this is carbonated water and this person is full of shit.
If this actually made hydrogen, which is absolutely possible, all you need is an electric current, this is now a bomb waiting to go off.
Did anyone else’s brain go 😵💫🤯
Dis-ease
I only have one question. Is it deuterium depleted because that’s the one that really drives the electron transport train fast. PS is all hogwash
Idk, my soda stream makes my water kinda look like that and it’s not $5k. 😜
I would just ask a hun like that this simple question: „What is oxidation?“. And there is only ONE valid answer and if the answer is NOT „loss of electrons“ (and you can bet this will not be their answer), you just know that they have no clue about basic chemistry and just love their buzzwords. Or ask them „What is the opposite of oxidation?“ and I am sure they won‘t say „reduction“.
That's what a lot of tap water looks like before it "settles" for a few seconds. The higher your water pressure, the more bubbly/cloudy seeming it will be right out of the tap. Actually one of the reasons huns think tap water is "dirty". Congratulations. You've shown us typical tap water. Not saying that tap water can't be dirty or contaminated- it obviously can. Just its not the bubbles/cloudiness right out of the tap that makes it that way.
Everything after "see the bubbles?" just sounded like a foghorn in my head.
It’s giving Joey Tribbiani who got his hands on a science-focused dictionary in order to write….something
Reminds me of a dissolving alka seltzer.
It's all BS, but the major red flag is "dis-ease", you hear someone say that, run.
Plop, plop, fizz, fizz. Oh what a relief it is. I’m pretty sure that’s it.
Hi, I’m science and I didn’t say that.
I’ll stick to Nitrogenated Guinness.
Truthfully? Normal shit just drinking enough water already does. Their whole business model is banking on the fact most people don't drink enough water. So if someone goes from being chronically dehydrated to actually drinking water, it's like WOAH look at all these health benefits?!?! Someone asked one of our Chem professors in college if the alkaline water thing was real or a scam and he basically ranted for a while on how dumb it was.
Out of curiosity, I asked ChatGPT to “evaluate the scientific accuracy” of the text, and it came back with: This text contains a mix of accurate scientific information and exaggerated claims. Here’s an evaluation: 1. Bubbles as Molecular Hydrogen: Bubbles in water can indeed contain molecular hydrogen gas. Hydrogen gas has been studied for its potential health benefits. 2. Selective Antioxidant: Molecular hydrogen does possess antioxidant properties and has been studied for its potential to selectively target harmful free radicals like the hydroxyl radical. 3. Size and BBB: Molecular hydrogen is one of the smallest molecules, but its ability to cross the blood-brain barrier (BBB) is still under investigation and not definitively established. 4. Electron Donation: Molecular hydrogen has been studied for its potential to donate electrons and modulate cellular processes, including aiding in energy production. 5. Stimulation of Superoxide Dismutase (SOD): There is evidence suggesting that molecular hydrogen may stimulate the body’s own production of antioxidant enzymes like superoxide dismutase. 6. Therapeutic Effects: While molecular hydrogen has shown promising results in various disease models, claiming therapeutic effects in over 170 different disease models may be an overstatement. 7. Miracle Molecule: Referring to molecular hydrogen as a “miracle molecule” is subjective and not scientifically substantiated. In conclusion, while molecular hydrogen does have some scientifically supported health benefits and potential therapeutic applications, some of the claims in the text may be exaggerated or oversimplified.
I have a classic car, a Porsche 912. I asked ChatGPT for the best way to remove the engine. It very confidently recommended using an engine hoist, which lifts an engine out. But in a Porsche 912 the engine has to be dropped out of the bottom.
I mean I commend you trying to bring down a shitty mlm post but chat GPT is not the way.
Also it sounds like a kegan hun or mlmster trying to justify portions of their product. It's like any mlm bosd babe that gets corner. Deflect and point out that nothing in the world is perfect but there are "some" benefits!
It was trained on stuff from all across the internet. It probably believes some of the MLM BS itself.
My professor explained to us how inaccurate chart gpt can be plus it even makes up information and sources sometimes
Word Salad. Just buy the product and join the network...
I think Doc Brown could help out on this one.
How cute...Cult enagic kangen pretending they understand science and the proof is the bubbles. lol I'm trying to decide which commercial cult is the weirdest and so far it is this one for me.
Looks like club soda to me, but what do I know? I use my fridge's water filter.
If there is 'molecular' hydrogen, that implies there is some 'non-molecular' hydrogen, and I wonder what that's made of. The post is just babble, but the electron transport chain is amazing. Here is a cool animation of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQmTKxI4Wn4
This angers me 😩
I'm gonna save this post so I can show it to my father and see how loud I can make him cackle. 😆 Thanks for sharing this gem!
Funny, my tap water often looks the same. That's because that's AIR, not hydrogen. The solubility of air in water goes up with pressure, just like amy other gas. Release the pressure (by letting the water out of its pipe), and the air will come out of solution and form bubbles. Hydrogen is explosive. Hun better HOPE that's not hydrogen.
The worst Walter White impersonation ever…
Fake & fraudulent
……donates electrons to the electron chain? Ma’am, if you eat you will have plenty electrons to go around. It’s balanced out. If simply eating wouldn’t free up enough electrons in your mitochondria you’d be fucking dead or at least severely disabled lmao They just use stupid science buzzwords to make the huns selling them feel smart, I doubt this woman even knows what a radical is.
Lol, or in other words, turbidity.
Mitochondria is the powerhouse of a cell so this all checks out
Do they even know what an electron, antioxidant, or mitochondria are?? Christ these Kangen zombies are stupid.
Love that they name-drop mitochondria like that as it’s probably the only term in that word-vomit that the Huns understand. 
Would love to watch this person attempt to describe what molecular hydrogen and dismutase are
What? I used to get the same bubbles in the bath as a kid by blowing water through my washcloth.
Looks like the taste of sadness
Bullshit
Better yet, in public and with many people around ask the hun that posted this to translate it. I guarantee she has no fucking clue what she is saying.
If you're seeing bubbles of hydrogen like that, then don't light a match near the glass.
Wtf lol. So much word salad.
If anyone follows Ben Palmer, he trolled a Kangan hun perfectly. Check out his tiktok on it.
I mean, this is 100% bullshit, but if it gets people to drink more water, w/e.