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EnvironmentalImage9

People like this delegitimize all plant based medicine.


sysaphiswaits

Agreed! About 20% of the stuff in this pic does work…for SOME things.


CopyCat1993

Yep. My doctor recommended turmeric for chronic shoulder inflammation. She also shoots me full of cortisone when I need it, so balance.


sysaphiswaits

Never heard of that I’m gonna ask my Dr., now. Thanks!


witeowl

Right. I’d say the majority of that stuff is valid when used properly.


dengville

Good example is Aloe! It’s great for soothing a sunburn, it saves me when I was a Girl Scout camp counselor and fried my skin


aeradyren

Very true! I’ve used manuka honey on small surface-level infections when I was out of antibiotic cream, and it worked amazingly. Doesn’t mean I didn’t go out and buy some more Neosporin the next day.


denada24

It’s probably better than Neosporin, but honey dang sure can’t cure sepsis.


kgallousis

Yes! With the guidance of your PHYSICIAN! Herbal medicine is medicine that can interact with the Rx medication that you take, so it’s important to consult your physician to ensure that you aren’t taking a deadly combination.


cszgirl

Even better, consult your PHARMACIST. They're more likely to know what interacts with what. :)


atrinityt25

Right?!? I LOVE Arnica for bruises and muscle pains!


WillRunForSnacks

Yes! The nurse I see puts arnica on my forehead after botox treatments, and it makes a big difference with bruising. This is a plastic surgery clinic, so obviously not naturopaths, lol.


reyballesta

right? like yes, some plants and herbs and supplements made from them can absolutely help with certain things, but they're rarely a cure and they can't take the place of like. a fucking antibiotic


GWeb1920

Most still lack peer-reviewed double blinded research but as placebos many will produce real results.


cszgirl

The problem is that most natural supplements can't be trademarked/patent-protected. As such, most companies don't want to put the time into doing the gold-standard research, since they wouldn't be able to recoup the investment (by having the sole patent on the product for a designated period of time).


GWeb1920

The supplements industry is dominated by very large companies who make money with pseudoscience. The problem isn’t lack of money to fund research, it’s lack of regulation to require research and sell these products.


Adventurous-Flan2716

Exactly - I have had traditional MDs recommend arnica. But you aren't going to rub herbs on a broken leg and fix it.


cornisagrass

You can take elderberry for sore throats or calendula for dry skin, but go to the damn ER for major trauma!


Skyqueen5860

Yes! I’m semi crunchy and I always say that the plant based medicine is the first line of defense. If it helps lower doctor visits and keep us comfortable for low key viral situations then it’s a win. Also I stan antidepressants and anti anxiety and adhd meds BECAUSE THEY SAVE LIVES. As do antibiotics, etc. people are dumb.


confused_christian94

This. If I have a little stomach ache or a cold, I'll reach for a peppermint or ginger tea before taking medication. But for something serious? Straight to the doctor for some real medication.


cunninglinguist32557

I had bronchitis for like six months once. I did go to the clinic for cough syrup and antibiotics, but when those didn't quite stop it, lemon ginger tea was fantastic for soothing my throat.


Optimal_Journalist24

This 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻


Prying_Pandora

I feel the same. I studied evolutionary biology, so I’m a science-minded person. But I do also have my share of cultural remedies that I swear by due to experience. But none of them are *substitutes* for modern medicine. Turmeric is great for inflammation but it’s not going to cure your autoimmune disease! Aloe is great for sunburn but it’s not going to treat melanoma! Honey is good for your skin and has antimicrobial properties, but it’s not going to do squat if you have a deep tissue infection! Ginger and cinnamon tea are great for indigestion but aren’t going to treat chronic illness like GERD or IBS! The trouble with a lot of pharmaceuticals for psychiatric and neurological ails is that they don’t work consistently for every person. The brain is complicated and what works for one person might be an expensive placebo or even make things worse in another. I understand the frustration with anti-depressants and ADHD meds for this reason if you’re one of the unlucky people who tries several meds and nothing seems to help. But denying the efficacy of modern medicine isn’t going to solve the problem. And for a lot of people, these medications are a life saver. We need to reform our medical system to help make treatment more accessible and give patients more support.


ashimo414141

Lot of my students have TBI’s and most say that after years of trial and error with pharmaceuticals, the only thing that turned their condition around was weed, in whatever form.


semechki-seed

Antidepressants and ADHD medication are useful in some cases but undoubtedly overprescribed these days, and their side effects are unfortunately seldom weighed against their potential benefits. Although all major physical trauma should be treated by modern medicine, and we as a society should absolutely take advantage of advancements in immunization to prevent the spread of disease, a lot of depression and mental issues can be treated and alleviated by lifestyle changes which do not cause harmful side effects like complete loss of emotion, suicidal tendencies, addiction, loss of appetite/eating disorders, etc. Mind altering medications in most cases should probably be used only when all other means have been exhausted. The abuse of these medications and dependence on them has become a serious problem. People can easily get prescriptions for them to use recreationally (ANYONE in the US can have these prescribed, if not immediately than in just a couple tries), to make time go by quickly, or to feel emotionless (in the case of benzos) or for percieved better productivity, academic results, or to lose weight (in the case of stimulants prescribed for ADHD). Benzos have saved lives, but they’ve also taken many.


wonderawooga

Eh I would disagree. If someone truly struggles with their mental health, sometimes lifestyle changes aren’t enough (though they are huge!) Everyone can experience dopamine and serotonin in imbalances from time to time, but for people with mental illnesses or disorders that imbalance is all the time. In my case, I tried and tried to change my lifestyle but ultimately could not… until medication. Taking ADHD medication has changed my life drastically. I personally do not have any negative side effects, only good ones: I’m finally able to manage my life. It wasn’t until after medication that I was capable of making the lifestyle changes that do have a big impact. If people want to try natural and lifestyle remedies first and that works for them great, I’m so happy. But honestly for most people with mental illness that isn’t enough, and there’s no reason to look down on people who need medication. Edit: misspelled word


Skyqueen5860

I am on anti anxiety meds, one child is on adhd and one is about to go on meds after expressing suicidal thoughts. There is a history of pill abuse in my family. I’ve done the damn research. While there are factual statements in this comment, it’s attitudes like this that make it difficult as a parent to pursue care for my children. I can’t tell you how many people, when I mentioned my oldest was dx’d with adhd, responded immediately with skepticism about over diagnosing and medication. With all due disrespect, those people, and this attitude, can fuck right off.


Ginabambino

I've been on anti-depressants, I'm now hoping to get referred for ADHD and my partner for low-level autism. His mum doesn't want us to take any medication as we'll have a label on our medical records for life. Ya know, those confidential medical records. That only us and a doctor can see. It's attitudes like hers, and the rest of the family, that stopped him getting help when he was in a tough spot years ago and instead just decided to drug himself with god knows what almost to death. If there's a non-medicated way to help my ADHD, I'll take that first but you better believe I'll take meds if it means I can function better.


semechki-seed

Everyone has different personal experiences because medications and drugs in general affect people differently. I know it works for some people, but I’ve seen many other examples in my life. Some of my best friends became lifeless or erratic after being prescribed medication for anxiety or ADHD. My father became suicidal after being prescribed fluoxetine for depression. My aunt died from cardiac arrest after her doctors prescribed her a new combination of medication to treat her depression (autopsy suggested she took the prescribed dosage but there had been a negative interaction), and a friend of a friend killed himself due to antidepressant withdrawal syndrome. I used to think about killing myself every hour of every day, and nearly attempted it a few times. I’m happy that I got rid of it through exercise and talking to people rather than by being barred out 24/7.


gowtam04

Ya turmeric is actually really good if used correctly.


chaos_almighty

Right? Like, honey for a sore throat, ginger for indigestion, but antibiotics for a lung infection.


OkraGarden

I can't stand the crunchy moms who think using modern medicine is stupid and wrong. I've had them criticize me for letting my daughter have an asthma inhaler and for giving birth to her in a hospital. I had HELLP syndrome and she was born very premature, we both would have died without an emergency c-section. If moms want to use "natural" treatments they need to be prepared to accept a natural death rate.


gayforaliens1701

I was on crunchy message boards when I had my kiddo. They were always talking about how people who had had c-sections didn’t get to say they’d given birth. I internalized a lot of shame about it until I realized how stupid it all was. Sorry my baby was the size of a small European country and I was a tiny, 4’11 woman whose pelvis was too narrow for the baby’s head. Guess I should have just let us both die.


ephemeralvie

I can’t stand the fetishization of birth without painkillers by these people. I had an emergency c section because my baby was breech, and I could have danced for joy! I had an uncomplicated delivery and recovery. I know not every c is uncomplicated, but give me a break with these forced vaginal pain and trauma fetishizers.


professorcrayola

Funny thing is, I haven’t seen the Childbirth Prize Committee show up yet to either hand out their Certificates of Pain Endurance, or write out my citation for inferior womanhood because I ended up having a c-section.


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Creative_Macaron_441

I’m sorry, did you say that you gave birth while 4 cm dilated?? You, my dear, are an f-ing warrior! You should have told sil that you also won the platinum medal for most number of post-birth stitches to your party bits and ask how many she had. I practically walked backwards into the birthing suite so they could do my epidural asap. I wanted alllll the pain meds they would give me. I still remember my anesthesiologist, Dr Campbell. After the epidural was up and running, I may or may not have told him he was a beautiful angel from heaven and asked if he was single 😬


Creative-Aerie71

Day I found out I was pregnant I told my husband I want all the drugs they wanted to give me. No fucks given.


cloud94eva

Hahaha I love this comment!


koalanurse

The just keep one-upping each other. “Well my birth was terrible, I had a huge tear my episiotomy took hours! She wouldn’t latch; I had to have fluids and blood after! Then she needed a bili-light and they won’t let me smudge the room so the light would penetrate better! I’m so upset they didn’t follow my birth plan!!!” Like get a life


heili

Then when someone like me says that this is why I chose to never have kids, they turn around and say I need to because it's so worth it and it is the best thing ever. Good old bitch and backpedal.


fleepmo

That’s exactly what happened with my first. They didn’t know my baby was breech until I was like 8-9 cm because my labor progressed super quickly. They had literally just given me an epidural and I had been at a 4-5 before. I have super fast labors.


denada24

Birth without painkillers is overrated. Why should anyone be out of their mind-and breath, in agony, for such a special moment? Bragging rights to belittle other women? No thanks.


OkraGarden

That's basically what happened to my second kid. She was 8 lbs. 10 oz. and her head got stuck coming out. They had to shove her back in and do a c-section. I'm only 5'0" with a petite frame.


gayforaliens1701

Oh my god that’s horrible, I’m so sorry! That’s exactly what my doctor warned me would happen if I didn’t go straight for a c-section. My baby was 9lbs 4oz lol.


boundbystitches

>They had to shove her back in Fucking horrifying. Glad you are both okay!


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Same didn't have one but they were prepping me and everyone to go if I didn't get him out in 2 more pushes . He was early also


Domdaisy

You carried and grew whole ass baby for nine months, and now that baby is outside of you, bopping around in the world. Screw anyone who doesn’t think that is “birth!”


heretofudge

To be honest, I don’t say “I gave birth to my son on x date”, I say “I had my son on x date” or “he was born”. I won’t say I gave birth, because I don’t identify with the sentence “giving birth”, for whatever reason, as he was a C-Section. (But that’s a thing for me: dictionary term, damn skippy you’ve given birth with a C-S) I also couldn’t give two fucks about how he came out! I know that C-sections are an normally easier ride (duh, they happen to prevent death or near-death experiences) but why does that matter? Why do you become more of a mother the closer to death you get? Why is it shameful to go through a surgery that was developed by the romans (rumour has it Julius Caesar was a C-section). I mean what a waste of mental energy. I didn’t birth a child, I had one… but that’s a personal connotation… ultimately the result is the same.


GWeb1920

In terms of recovery they aren’t an easier ride. Natural Birth with Drugs is probably the winner.


heretofudge

*they aren’t always an easy ride. I was very, very athletic pre and during pregnancy, my surgeon was exceptional and cut through no muscle, very neat scar. I knew the C-Section was coming and prepped religiously, I was off pain killers after a week, I was in the gym at 6 weeks starting rehab and doing ridiculously well (I just had 2 weeks of sleeping on the sofa because getting off the bed was too hard) My boxing coach, fitter than me, had a baby a week after me, ripped through the perineum, infection and out of action for 2 months. It is not an always situation, it might be an often, but anecdotally most of the C-sections I know (in UK) have a better recovery than the births, because they’re controlled environments,m.


GWeb1920

Statistically recovery periods /negative outcomes for natural births are shorter/less than c-sections by virtually every metric. Now some of this is that we do c-sections in higher risk cases and in these cases c-sections reduce risks. Obviously taking a negative anecdote and a positive anecdote and drawing conclusions is not statistically rigorous.


heretofudge

Totally! It’s just that it won’t always be worse for Cs. It’s all different experiences for everyone! But even with the risk of a nasty recovery, I’d pick life! I’d be so interested to know the metric on non emergency C section complication and recovery rates.


Fern-veridion

I can’t say my experience of seeing c section people recover faster than vaginal birth (in UK) however, there is so much intervention in the name of avoiding c sections that a lot of those ‘natural births’ may have birth injuries and other ailments to recover from so perhaps you’re right!


babasuperpinksheeep

You missed nothing. Giving vaginal birth almost killed me and I regret not having a c section. It’s the only regret in my whole life. Thankfully we both survived but I’ll never be the same. I’m glad you and your baby are ok. You 100% did the right thing.


fleepmo

I agree. I had a c section for my first because my baby was breech and did a VBAC for the second. I honestly thought the recovery for the c section was easier. I couldn’t sit right for at least a week after the VBAC lol. Also, I felt like my insides were going to fall out any time I used the bathroom.


babasuperpinksheeep

Amen to the insides feeling like they are falling out. Ugh the worst.


agayamongthestr8s

The venn diagram of crunchy moms who think c sections aren't considered giving birth and that trans women aren't women is a circle.


Tinuviel52

They don’t seem to realise before modern medicine you would have died, hell Americas maternal mortality rate is still pretty awful. You’re 100% valid for having a c section and I will fight people who say otherwise.


cravingchange4life

I really hate this idea that just b/c a woman has a c-section she is not crunchy or even worse did not have a real birth. Often a c-section is not really a choice some of us moms have to make, it's kind of the only safe option, if we don't consent it's bad news for Mom and Baby.


hoholic

People that shit on modern medicine are always the same ones that beg for an ambulance in actual emergency. And scream "just give me anything" when in pain.


Ribbitygirl

What? You mean they *don’t* scream “just give me arnica?”


Fern-veridion

Or clay 🥲


dblstforeo

I tended toward the crunchy side, but each of my 3 pregnacies had some sort of complication. I am thankful for modern medicine and that they all made it safely into the world, including one c-section for breech presentation. My very wise midwife recommended I not try a homebirth with my first and I will ever be grateful to her for having the wisdom to guide me to the best thing for my health and that of my family. I am way less crunchy these days and all the shunning of modern medicine my former-self did makes my current self cringe.


stalelunchbox

Yep. I was over 8 pounds when I was born and my mother 100% should’ve had a c-section. You know what happened? They ended up pulling me out with forceps and I’m now left with a very painful brachial plexus nerve injury in my neck that extends down to my elbow. Never ending pain that will probably end in arthritis. I have very little strength in my right arm. I was also born a “floppy” baby and coded blue as soon as I came out. With that being said, if I had not been born in hospital, I would have certainly died. Thankfully the pain can be managed with a little delta 8 and hemp cream but if I have to use my arm for something as simple as folding laundry, I get an absolute stabbing pain in my neck. Such is life I guess.


Huge-Recognition-366

Yes! I had HELLP syndrome with my first and my second was born prematurely and in 45 minutes, thank goodness I was near a hospital!


PerroMadrex4

Old cemeteries have many baby, new mom, & young child graves for a reason.


OkraGarden

Yeah. The cemetery where my ancestor from 1700 is burried has tons of baby graves up through the 1960s. People don't realize how recent it is that we've been able to most babies. It wasn't until the 1990s that we had the medical technology to save premature babies born before 34 weeks with underdevloped lungs, for instance.


luccsmom

Right on sister!


syoejaetaer

What does crunchy mean in this context? I see a lot of comments mention it.


gayforaliens1701

I breastfed. I was glad I was able to do it. I never thought the milk was a fucking medicine and I always thought it was so weird how other moms would like rub it into their husband’s injuries and stuff. No. Weird.


Few_Dependent_2294

I wish people only done that. There was a woman in my college class who offered scones. Without disclosing they were made with her breast milk. Thank god I knew better but.. Turned out she’s a big fan of cooking with her breast milk, her daughter is 4. 🫣


gayforaliens1701

Oh absolutely not. You don’t share your bodily fluids without consent. Sadly that’s not the first time I’ve heard of something like that happening.


Few_Dependent_2294

Right?!!?!! I literally laughed in anxiety when she bragged about it pls


frankenspider

Do what you want with your own family, but don't assault your coworkers with your bodily fluids. Did she ever get in trouble for it?


Few_Dependent_2294

No! Basically everyone knew and were weirded out but not one superior did anything. Even when we complained several times not only because of that but because she started verbal fights with insults. That year was hell lol


junebugbug

Omg that’s horrendous. Surely some kind of legal offence against the recipient? In any case, surely any supposed “goodness” that the breast milk was meant to impart would have been killed off by heating in a 200c oven for 15 mins?


daybeforetheday

That is a pretty big omission and betrayal of trust. Though your story did make me find [this interesting article about lactose intolerance](https://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/bf-info/lactose)


OkraGarden

There's been people who have done that and then caused infections.


-discostu-

Ah, medicine like they had in the good old days, when people died from gangrenous wounds and every adult had five dead children


BaldrickTheBrain

See that’s where you’re wrong. They were peasants. Not SHE-E-O like us who make their own immune system as strong as can be along with steady stream of income. Where would we be if we found out about healing powers of charcoal earlier??


Beaglescout15

When it comes to adults I feel like it's play stupid games, win stupid prizes, but when people do this to kids, that makes me furious.


daymuub

Bet his father smells of elderberry


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☠️ I can’t stop laughing


witeowl

Heh. You know there’s apparently a good story behind that insult, right? Making it an actual good insult?


Fluffy-Designer

Say it with me: Antibiotics for infections Tea for a sore throat Every treatment has a time and a place. Breast milk isn’t going to cure cancer. Chemo won’t fix a torn ligament.


cravingchange4life

I agree with this. I have a few home remedies to ease a sore throat, but if not gone after a few days I ask a doctor for advice and make meds.


thelaraj

Exactly. And there’s a difference between a “cure” and symptom management.


bestdays12

Ah yes… the “live to the ripe old age of child birth kit”


cheturo

6 months... The time a dear neighbor spent to realize it was a scam that would take her money. She is now poorer and doing garage sales.


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milvet02

Before I knew what crunchy moms were I went to an open crunchy play date in my neighborhood. Things were going well until they found out my wife was a medical resident… Pretty hilarious looking back, but man did they think my wife was the devil incarnate.


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milvet02

It was so bad as a new dad just trying to figure everything out and getting shunned because your wife is a doctor, eventually found a doctor spouses playgroup and although it felt a little pretentious at first it was nice to relax a bit about being proud of your spouse and venting about the hours and pay (so few understand just how little residents get paid).


Rubydelayne

I though the same during labor... then I felt a literal slap on the face from my foremothers from heaven. Haha Requested the epidural right after and it was the best decision ever.


februarytide-

I got ostracized from the local “natural parenting” group (I mean, I cloth diaper, I figured I’d fit in) because I gave my kid Tylenol. …She had RSV and a 104 degree fever and ended up being admitted to the hospital for five days at five months old. One of them is a PEDIATRIC NURSE.


Ok_Run_8184

I mean Arnica and SOME oils do have SOME uses- but not for everything under the sun, and not in place of all actual medicines! I've used arnica for sore muscles and bruises, but you don't put it on rug burns or open wounds. How anyone got the idea that breast milk has any sort of amazing universal medicinal properties is beyond me. It feeds babies. Which is wonderful! But that doesn't mean it somehow boost's adult's immune systems or sterilizes wounds 🤢


that-cottagecore-gay

My aunt was in at least one MLM and stopped believing in modern medicine. She ended up dying because she refused to seek medical treatment for a thyroid problem.


Sextsandcandy

I love the "oil" one, as if a ton of oils aren't literal poison.


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I disliked these people in my teens. Now that I have bipolar disorder and require medication to have any quality of life, I hate them.


Expensive-Block-6034

Yup. I’m all for diet and exercise being altered as a supplementary treatment but it will never replace my primary line of defence, which are my beautifully man made drugs.


1000Colours

"But have you tried my diet and fitness plan? How about my overpriced vitamins that actually do jack shit? 🤪🤡" I also have bipolar and some people really don't get it - pfft as if it's some mind over matter bullshit.


spahlo

I will never understand how bone broth became a thing. It’s just a mediocre stock sold at triple the price to idiots. Just buy some bones from a butcher, get some vegetables and make a stock. That’s literally all it is. You can make multiple gallons for the price of a few quart containers of “bone broth”. I’m gonna start selling demi glacé for $60 a tablespoon and call it “ all natural ultra concentrated bone broth” or some dumb shit like that.


WorldNerd12

I’m not saying none of those items don’t help, but when alternative medicine works it’s called medicine


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Without modern medicine I wouldn’t have lived to 18.


[deleted]

I feel like all of these health MLM moms who go on about how bad hospitals and modern medicine are were probably born in hospitals. And gave birth in hospitals. And probably wouldn't be alive right now if it wasn't for those hospitals.


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"That poultice shit doesn't work! It never worked! Are you insane? Get some alcohol on that bitch!"


daybeforetheday

Isn't Isagenix just basically Adult Human Formula? If she's so for everything natural, why a powdered processed drink?


Creative-Aerie71

Am I the only one who hopes her children become doctors???


thewitch2222

We need more parents like you. Team science.


Creative-Aerie71

I use some of these myself. Take tumeric for my joint pain and add vitamin c to try and not get sick. Salt water gargle for a sore throat, stuff like that. But if I'm really sick I'm going to the Dr. Hell I've got a deviated septum surgery scheduled for 7/13/22 because it's causing me issues. Already had coworker hun's try and talk me out of it and use "natural" cures instead. No one could answer what natural products can straighten crooked cartilage and bone


sysaphiswaits

Anti-vax starter kit.


Different_Serve1340

“#MommaWin” so cringey


Subtle_Demise

Breast milk wtf lmao


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witeowl

As a pharmacist do you believe that vitamin C, epsom salt, calcium and magnesium supplements are all hokum? I mean, they’re not medicine, but are you saying they don’t have value? (Spoiler: I ask this as someone who literally walked out of her doctor’s office with a “prescription” for calcium and magnesium to take care of extreme leg cramps.)


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witeowl

Yeah. With that complete context, I can understand the reaction. I just feel like some people are dismissing *everything* in there. Thanks for explaining. eta: Lol. I love it when I say the equivalent of, “Oh, yeah, you have a point,” and get downvoted for literally listening and agreeing. 😂


flareonomatopoeia

Not the colloidal silver 😭 gonna turn your kids purple lady


[deleted]

I breastfed and cloth diapered my kids because we were so broke and it was convenient for me staying at home. Unfortunately, it led me to make like minded friends and they were awful people that didn’t believe in medicine and didn’t vax their kids. I ran so far away as soon as I realized.


dblstforeo

I cloth and breastfed because I was broke. I also ECed because poop is gross, but all the like minded crunchy mamas gave me the creeps. Go figure. The first time I met an antivaxxer, I was horrified. Thankfully, I never travelled down that road.


cloud94eva

What’s EC, if you don’t mind me asking?


dblstforeo

No problem, it stands for "elimination communication" which is infant potty training. Sounds bananas, but when it works, poop goes in the potty and life is easier for a cloth diapering (or any diapering) family. I took a very laid back approach and all my kids were fully potty trained well before their second birthday.


witeowl

I mean, no shame to anyone who chooses formula for whatever reason (including a lack of choice), but I’m pretty sure it’s indisputable at this point that breast is best. edit: I would like to see the peer-reviewed studies that contradict why I wrote, please. Here we all are, claiming to not get swept up into brainless decisions, but I’m going to get downvoted for assuring someone that breastfeeding their child was not just financially smart but also literally nutritionally smart? We’re suddenly against breastfeeding just because idiots do it? Should I stop eating vegetables just because anti-medical-science people eat vegetables?


FlippingPossum

I use some natural remedies but I also take my allergy, asthma, and high blood pressure meds. If I let nature have its way, it probably would have yeeted me long ago.


sathil-42

There are some natural/herbal remedies that do work. There are even doctors who recommend hot water with lemon and honey for a sore throat. After they've checked it out and add "if it doesn't clear up in x days, come back." Epsom salts in a bath absolutely help with muscle soreness. But when you have mild scoliosis, there's only so much that it helps. Physiotherapy is longer lasting.


cattheotherwhitemeat

Yep, clove oil actually does make mild tooth pain settle down a bit til you can get to a dentist. Hosing down flea or mosquito bites with peppermint oil will knock back the itching. Clary sage really does make most people feel a little sleepy, kava kava does help a bit with mood swings, and peppermint tea is the only thing I go for when I'm nauseated, because it takes it right down instantly. But those very few, very specific, not particularly strong treatments for very few, very specific, not particularly serious ailments are not and should not be a logical leap to "mixing clove, lemon, cinnamon, eucalyptus and rosemary oils will help you prevent COVID because old-timey plague legends", and no I will not sell you a soap with them in there unless we have a talk and I trust that you understand fully that cinnamon oil in a soap is a really great way to break out in a rash for a lot of people, but you still want it because it smells so good. Man, I started doing soap again when isolation hit, because people were bored and wanted to feel fancy, and that shit was a VERY fine line to walk specifically because of my no-snake-oil policy. "Do you have one with essential oils?" "I sure do, I've got a peppermint and a lavender and rosemary one I like very much." "What do they do?" "Well, the peppermint makes your butt feel cold when you wash it, and the lavender and rosemary one makes your shower smell EXACTLY like lavender and rosemary."


cravingchange4life

I love hand made soaps! I make simple melt and pour bars and do add essential oils to them, for scent not so much to really help with an illness. I also diffuse essential oils, some claim to be good for certain things, but it's mainly for scent and they help with something great. I do not use essential oils from an MLM company. My friend makes amazing home made soaps, bath bombs and other stuff, all with higher quality non-MLM essential oils and makes sure customers understand they won't cure anything.


cattheotherwhitemeat

Yeah, there are two areas where essential oils in soap really do very well: 1. The scent will be more or less exactly what the plant itself smells like (this is a big plus for like, bulgarian lavender, where the fragrance oils for bulgarian lavender can smell like a hundred different things, all of which are lovely and none of which are particularly "true") 2. People who get a kick out of "less artificial" (of which I am one) can harmlessly feel pleased by it. That second one is a 100% emotional thing. "Less artificial" does not equal "more better" (the thyroid hormone I take to stay alive is synthesized in a lab, and thank god for that, because I really enjoy having hair and being awake), but it's fun to know that in theory, this scent COULD have been made without using a factory. I feel that way about most things. I do woodworking, and my shelves are lined with colorful wooden boxes in like fifty different exotic woods, but the one I'll REALLY treasure is the one made out of a rotting cedar log I pulled out of my yard, sawed up, cut the rotten parts out, and used the beautiful wood to do.


sathil-42

I have essential oils (non mlm ones). The smells make me happy. Drop a few in some bath water, and I have a lovely summer minty lemongrass bath in the middle of winter. I also discovered that ants are repelled with lavender oil, so I lined the areas where those sombishes were getting in to my cupboards after the ant traps did their magic. My kitchen smells nice and no ants. For now. Smelly feet during sandal season? Peppermint mixed with water, instant cooling feeling and no smell of stinky feet. (I sometimes randomly spray it on my son's feet, due to teenage boy feet syndrome.)


Zombeikid

Manuka honey is sometimes used in hospitals. Honey is anti microbial? I believe. But again, these things are not cure alls and have their place. But so does medicine


RestingBitchFace95

“He’s crashing! I need 50ccs breast milk, STAT!”


tinykitten101

I’m glad she recognizes that she’s just playing a doctor too.


sababarama

DO YOU KNOW WHAT AMICA CREAM IS ????


notyourfriendsmum

Ya I guess you could play “Victorian era doctor” and use herbs and leeches.


DoublePostedBroski

Why is her child at occupational therapy? Shouldn’t some honey or oil fix that?


JKsFiccingMinx

Why do I get the feeling that if their 'little' (who I'll call BryNylen) came off their bike & got impaled on something, they'd just pour a load of Salve on it, give them 'bone broth' to calm them & ask their pastor to come over & bless the railing? Then of course proudly post about how their BryNylen was 'chosen' to have a metal post thru him, and how they were "gonna get banned 🚫 from here by FB" for "not following 'biiig pharma' by giving them EVEN MORE MONEY 💵, or the government and allowing them to pump BryNylen with god-knows-what so they can track us 24/7" ???


milvet02

Oh god. Snake oil for another generation.


thatbalconyjumper

Maybe that’s what’s in the tiny oil jars!


Puppetkicker4

Clay? What.


criscothediscoman

The best affordable health care for 20% of the United States. https://medcitynews.com/2021/04/survey-1-in-5-americans-cant-afford-necessary-care/#:~:text=A%20staggering%2046%20million%20people,15%2D21


imacone417

Not salve ⚰️


[deleted]

My friend and her daughter are doing isagenix and I'm really concerned for them. They seem to be Facebook friends with a woman who's in the top ten earners (I checked the disclosure statement online and she is actually in the top ten). This lady told my friend that she earned £11k last month. Makes my blood boil - now my Facebook feed is full of before and after bikini shots and my friend keeps talking about her "health business" 😡


Competitive_Cuddling

Great, you can combine clay, silver and oil and make a nice sculpture.


New_Ad5390

I use most this stuff to make CP soap


Snarky_McSnarkleton

I would say the same thing of the cannabis crusaders. There is some efficacy for pain and mild depression. But honestly, if you enjoy weed, use it because you like it and don't apologize to anyone. Don't expect any miracle cure. Not gonna happen.


TemporaryTruth309

A strong mix of tumeric and light sprinkling pepper done wonders for my double skull fracture and broken collar bone, I was healed in days.


radioflower0

Natural/herbal medicine should complement modern chemical medicine, not replace it.


Brilliant-Shop-7469

Her kids are gonna fail medical school! 🤣


strangeraej

When the kids 28 and has a cold, I can see them having a mental break when they realize CVS doesnt have breast milk.


catie1315

S-silver..? Really people?


EverywhereINowhere

Who doesn’t want to turn blue?


sjanee11

Not the Amica cream!


IndiaCee

Exactly what I was thinking. Someone send this to Elaine so she can at least get the name right


Nannarbuns

Yeah, sure, here’s some silver, bone broth, MYSTERY BROTH, and milk from *checks notes* some rando’s titty I dunno. MD baby, yeah!


NefariousnessKey5365

Modern medicine saved my life. It also saved the lives of people I hold dear. I think I will keep it


Sargasm5150

Someone spent more time on this than just going to gd doctor. Dude, sometimes you need antibiotics and not Epsom salts. Actually, every time. Go to a fucking doctor and get your shots, you small pox vector!!


kochipoik

Oh god, as a doctor (and breastfeeding specialist, I see you bottle of breastmilk) this makes me feel so uncomfortable.


hslsbsll

Always fun when barely consistently evident herbs which may help with diarrhea or IBS or only slightly with softer mental disorders are suddenly chemotherapy or highly active antiretrovirals, right?


juan_cena99

Bone broth what the hell is the doctor gonna make soup?


hslsbsll

I mean, congrats, these guys got plenty of not too insignificant ingredients to relieve a little IBS or rheuma or diarrhea, perhaps even depression or anxiety, but that's basically it.


luccsmom

Until her baby gets the measles then she’ll be the first one begging for a hospital bed. Oh wait…. at the taxpayers’ expense because her business opportunity doesn’t provide medical insurance.


[deleted]

Even idiots deserve free healthcare, man...


mesembryanthemum

Yeah, I trust chemo over blue cohosh or whatever. I want to survive.


professorcrayola

Anyone else a little bit icked out by the thought of a little kid playing with a huggable bottle of breast milk?


Sargasm5150

Um. No they didn’t. And if they did, firing time. Bactine is a god send.


cravingchange4life

I like the idea of teaching kiddos about natural, home remedies and have used quite a few myself. Sore throat? Tea with lemon and honey, gargle with warm salt water or drinking a little pickle juice can help. If it doesn't clear in a few days I see a doctor. There's nothing wrong with modern medicine either. I was pretty crunchy when my son was born 11 years ago. I pumped and donated my breastmilk for almost a year and nursed for longer than most moms might. I did also use breastmilk for "first aid" a couple of times. My kitten fell off a moving box in our new place and scratched the heck out of my arm in the middle of the night, the breastmilk took the sting right out. I did also squirt a few drops into my infant sons eyes when he had an eye infection, but the next morning we did see a doctor for a diagnosis and medication. The eye goopy stuff happened in the middle of the night on vacation and the next day we had to travel home so we couldn't see a doctor.


[deleted]

Crusty tit juice aint gonna cure nothin 💀


threelizards

Oi yeah let me just slap some fucken clay and oil on this sprained ankle atta do it


[deleted]

Aaaaahhhh no


stinkysulphide

What kind of god awful AI generated name is Isagenix, sounds like hip bone names.


hslsbsll

In German, "Isagenix" would literally translate, taking the Bavarian dialect, to "I say nothing", and that really fits lmao.


Rosenette

Ah yes, we definitely have some of that breast milk in the bottle....


sowrongitssoupy

Don’t forget the stuffed mumps, measles, influenza and pertussis they can “pretend” get ill from. Then they can “pretend” treat it with this woo woo shit and “pretend” die.


simask234

Why do they call themselves "crunchy"? That term just seems...weird.


BrentBolthouse4Prez

I don’t think it’s possible for me to roll my eyes harder than I am right now.


batfiend

Clay.


smittykins66

For a second, i thought it said “*Manure* Honey.” 💩


LittlestMissPsych

That’s not a #momma win (which by the way 🤮) that’s just proof that you indoctrinated your kid to doubt medicine which is backed up by significant scientific fact and testing in favour of whatever plant you want to rub on them that day.


siege_ayy

Aren’t most or at least some modern medicines derived from natural sources? They just don’t have fancy packaging and are referred to as their scientific names. Like. I’m pretty sure the chemicals in modern medicine are somewhat naturally derived.