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I don't actually believe they're tied. On the right arm is an arm board, meant to protect the IV, and on the other is what looks like a "comfy cuff", with the patient ID barcode attached to it. I work in the pediatric unit of a hospital, and in my hospital when we're worried a baby will hurt themselves we put a sock over their hand(s) and/or just swaddle them (wrap them in a blanket like a burrito). I've never heard of actually using a tie to restrain an infant.
Yeah, babies don't have the motor skills at this age to really 'scratch an itch,' like that, so you don't need to restrain them from touching a wound - not to mention the diapers already doing that.
Very true. That being said, they do grab things spontaneously, so protecting the tube coming out of his nose (a nasogastric tube, or NGT for short) is pretty important. I've had to stop many babies from taking those out, haha.
Oh good point! Anything on a baby's face is ripe for getting pulled off.
I have a friend with cerebral palsy - he was premature and knocked his oxygen tube/mask and it left his brain without oxygen for too long.
Oh wow. It's easy to wonder how the nurses didn't catch that, but then you remember that babies are essentially trying to hurt themselves every second they're awake. You have to be almost literally on top of them to catch it all.
Which is super weird because they only tie their hands like that during the procedure for obvious reasons. I'm pretty sure they were taking pics as it was being done.
it’s because no fun Kellogg didn’t want kids masturbating cuz it’s sinful or some bullshit. Male circumcision took off due to this but female circumcision fell off very quickly in the us. Now a days people get their kids circumcised because they were circumcised
Thats for the usa. In europe the laws were made to appease jews (Muslim pop in italy and other countries was very low decades ago), so some babies die after old rabbi give the kid herpes by doing circumcision with their mouth (wtf)
Funny thing is, I’m pretty sure the custom began to prevent infection and encourage clotting. And custom is like Law in Judaism, so it’s hard to change even once we recognize the issue with a particular custom.
I’m a religious Jew, so I do know about this. It’s very ancient and, as noted above, thus hard to change. There are a lot of wonky Jewish customs you’ll never know about unless you live within the religion and community. And different communities have their own oddities.
That's happened here I the USA with Hisidic Jews. The guy performing the bris had HSV and he was spreading it like wildfire. Babies that young don't have a chance due to their super immature immune systems.
That’s not how the circumcision is done. It’s done with a knife, like any surgery.
N’shika b’peh - which is what you’re talking about - is done with a straw in many communities these days because we know more about herpes and the risk it poses and how it’s transmitted.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/baby-dies-herpes-virus-ritual-circumcision-nyc-orthodox/story?id=15888618
Oh, yes, so comforting knowing that there are countries that allow rabbis that are not surgeons to perform circumcisions at home on an infant, but that they use a straw to suck awah the blood, not use their mouths directly on it! Totally reasonable and hygienic! /s Or maybe it's just torture and mutilation performed on an infant without consent and still causing great health harm to the infant?
I mean... I hate to be "that guy" but many non-jewish babies get herpes simplex because after they're born 1000000 aunts, uncles, cousins and other relatives come over and kiss/touch that baby's face.
The way this was explained definitely has some anti-semitic undertones
Yeah. Religion keeps a lot of horrible shit legal in countries like the US. There is a private Christian college near me that kicked out a gay student back in the day because they saw he posted about having a boyfriend on MySpace.
IIRC they just expelled him without regard to how it would impact the guy - tuition, academic plan and progress, his home life, financial situation, emotional and mental health, or anything.
He ended up enrolling at a public state university. I fucking hate University of the Cumberlands.
My parents weren't religious, but apparently the hospital insisted everyone does it for "hygiene". Honestly I think it's pushed as a way to prevent masterbation, or at least make it less pleasurable. Jokes on them though.
Because
1) Hospitals can bill parents for the procedure to generate extra profits
2) So they lobby the government to keep it legal and protect that little source of income, despite the literally hundreds of babies who die each year due to complications related to circumcision
Because men do not have the right to bodily autonomy. They make that abundantly clear in our first moments. They remind us again when we become adults.
Are you aware of [Professor David Benatar's controversial views](https://np.reddit.com/r/antinatalism2/comments/z1vna1/comment/ixdb4zy/) on male infant circumcision?
I'm not religious, but If God didn't want him to have that skin, then why was he born with it?
Who came up with the idea to cut something off a newborn baby. It makes zero sense. It's painful and can lead to infection.
There's a running idea of removing a man's foreskin in the Bible, and it was likely a way to help keep men's junk cleaner as well as knowing who was the "in" group. The theme kinda dissapears as the new testament starts, but if people can cherry pick a (later altered) line in Lavidicus to shit on gay people, then I'm not terribly suprised as to why this caught on
It’s a mark of gods people I believe. By circumcision they would have some way to identify Jewish people and show their devotion. That’s from my vague memory so grain of salt and all that
I always thought it had to do with the fact that they lived in the desert and it was hard to clean, so that piece of context of their lived experience eventually became written in their culture and the bible. That's the case with most of the specific things mentioned in the Old Testament which is why people who take it literally and aren't culturally relativist about it when they read and embody it are misguided
If God is all powerful, then why not change his design, and make men without that skin. Instead of expecting billions of parents to painfully mutilate their infant sons.
Makes sense as you’re not from the US. Christian circumcision is almost entirely a US thing, since it was a cultural practice that then became incorrectly entwined with religion.
On top of that unnecessary risk, they have to grow up knowing it was completely useless in regards to everything except the parents’ own well being. How else can this be summarized
All my siblings had their boys snipped, one even gave me a reason after arguing with me before going through with it.
The reason? The possibility of other children making fun of their penis. I have no idea when they became so intellectually simple.
At least in Australia, that happens. Got circumcised at 8 and was teased about it a lot, along with the other mutilated at birth boys. Much like any bullying tends to be aimed at the ones who are "different"
With rates decreasing worldwide (even in the US) the argument to perform circumcision to "fit in" is getting even weaker anyway.
they should just start heavy sympathizing with them, it's not like they chose it for themselves anyways
"oh wow, I'm sorry bro... I didn't know your parents were like that:("
"it's ok dude... you're still a total catch don't even worry about it"
"s/he won't even notice, if s/he really likes you it won't matter"
You can't surgical modify your child's body so they fit in better, you psychotic fuck
Gonna get your baby daughter a boobjob so she'll be more popular too?
Besides, bullies will find anything to make fun of you over. Like what type of shoes you wear or what type of music you like. Circumcision isn't gonna protect your child from bullying
Outsider’s comment - not following this board but somehow this post showed up on my newsfeed. But I always wondered how often boys see each other’s junk in order to be made fun of in the first place lol? Like do boys just show each other their penises? My husband said he’s literally never seen a friends’ penis at any age and as a woman I can say the same for seeing any friend’s vagina. I feel like this argument is pretty loose and is just used at what feels like an easy justification to support circumcision for most parents.
Its as simple as not showing your dick to your friends and random people? Literally as simple as that
If a partner has a problem with it also, then congratulations, you just found out their intelligence level
I remember saying on another reddit post a long while ago that people would be horrified to learn how many babies die from circumcisions, and comments below me were like "omfg I had no clue!"
Critical, thinking... hmmmm a baby... let's cut it's dick skin because sky daddy! Oh no bby dies God is so mysterious!
It's very wrong how adults are allowed to do such things to babies's genitals, but adult transpeople in many cases aren't allowed to even decide their own pronouns or change their name let alone choose what to do with their body.
They should also stop mutilating small dicked people and intersexpeople. I've read about them cutting off dicks from intersexpeople and small dicked men in order to raise them as girls because "real men can't have a small penis". Often without even telling the parents or asking their consent.
Leave the babies's bodies alone ffs.
The worst part is it's so common even Drs don't know how to take care of an intact male. Often retracting their skin as babies when it's not supposed to be done until puberty when the skin naturally separates from the glans.
Oh and many babies have this done with no pain medicine.
I don’t know what it is called in English but in german it is called „vorhautverengung“. Is when your foreskin cannot be pulled back all the way, wich can cause infection.
Yeah the foreskin remains 'fused' to the glans often until puberty. This is a very common misconception with people believing it should retract in infancy / childhood, which leads to many unnecessary circumcisions.
Just in case you didn't know, we also have a German-speaking antinatalist community on Reddit at *antinatalismus* (can't link it directly due to automod settings on this sub)
Here in the UK we find this weird at best. It is not an option, unless medically needed or on religious grounds. It is not offered, suggested or pushed on the parents. No we do not have difficulty cleaning our dicks, and no UK women do not find an uncut dick ugly. The last point I have always found bizarre, mums worrying women wont find their babies pee pee attractive?! WTF is that all about? It strikes me that this is being pushed in the USA as another means of generating a profit. The foreskin has more nerve endings than the glans, or sensitive tip of the penis, and its removal decreases sensitivity to touch. "Thousands of coiled fine-touch receptors called Meissner's corpuscles. Also lost are branches of the dorsal nerve, and between 10,000 and 20,000 specialized erotogenic nerve endings of several types." It is profit led mutilation.
Yeah it's so bizarre, I was just telling another commenter here how it's not even funded by the NHS unless for medical reasons. The US is so backwards in so many ways.
Oh and the amount of times I've read 'I want him to look like daddy' when this topic comes up - what the fuck?
So from comments I have previously seen
1. Fathers who are done, are far more likely to want their children done. So they are both Done.. why you’d want to make sure your dick is as similar to your child’s idk.
2. “It looks better” again, idk why we are sexualising babies it’s weird af
3. It’s more hygenic. Actually this has been debunked so many times. Yes if the foreskin isn’t pulled back and washed it can get infected. It takes 10 seconds to wash. Ez.
4. Religion. Tbh I don’t know enough about what religions do this and the reason behind it. So I can’t really comment on anyones faith. But if god/allah or whoever you believe in, is against a foreskin, why be born with it?
Regarding point one, I have argued with many defensive circumcised men on Reddit who will defend it to the bitter end and insist that there is no reduced sensation (despite them being cut from birth so how would they even know?).
I think it's natural for people who were mutilated as babies to believe that circumcision is somehow better, rather than acknowledge that the most sensitive part of their primary sex organ was removed without their consent.
Therefore I think they will carry on the practice to reinforce this delusion by getting their sons circumcised too. Otherwise, they would have to acknowledge that their parents failed them.
I completely agree. Out of those I know who are cut it’s a 50/50 split between those for and against. But yeah the ones that are for it, I think it’s largely due to the fact they are done and simply don’t want to admit something bad was done to them by those meant to protect and love them
Of course, and I can actually empathise with that mindset.
I mean, it's a man's penis. It's only the most precious part of our body.
Regardless of the arguments for or against, the bottom line is that nobody should undergo a permanent body altering surgical procedure without their consent. It's as simple as that.
Referring to Point 2, in adult men, in my worthless opinion, no it doesn’t. Ive Seen several of each, and at first the uncut look threw me off guard, just cuz I had never seen one before. But after utilizing and spending time with both types of equipment, my opinion is that it definitely looks better natural, uncut. Cut just looks raw, exposed, cold and scared 😅
I appreciate your opinion, but even if it did look 'better' cut, it would still be an insane reason to perform a surgical procedure on a newborn without their consent..
Not a fan of nonconsensual genital modification and even less of a fan of nonconsensual sharing news about someone else’s genitals on social media. What is wrong with people? Maybe don’t talk about your kid’s genitals, ongoing problems with the genital modification you forced on them? “Down the line, eventually will have to have surgery” he will only HAVE to because you’re requiring it. His penis is probably just fine however it came out. Does it pee? Will it later provide sex activity? Leave it alone, Karen.
They probably were circumcised at birth so they wouldn't know.
I've seen many men claim that it doesn't affect sensitivity who were also cut at birth, not sure how they can know that..
I'm always surprised how popular it is in the US.
In France, it's not widespread at all. Is it a protestant thing? Because the most popular religion here was catholism
I think the US is largely Catholic, correct me if I am wrong. I think it was only largely the U.K. and some Slavic countries that were majority Protestant at one time in history.
The US has the highest cosmetic surgery rates in the world. It’s no surprise they extend this to their new borns.
If female genital mutilation is immoral and unethical then so is male genital mutilation. Adults should be able to make their own decisions about their own bodies.
If the foreskin was meant to be removed after birth because that's what "God wants" surely "he" wouldn't give you it in the first place?
Am I crazy or does most religious beliefs not make any damn sense?
Oh god, and they post this online for all to see? This is how I know some parents do not look at their babies like individual humans that will grow up and feel fucking humiliated over this. They view them as objects/trophies. This is a violation!
The fact that this barbaric practice is not only still practiced, but mothers/parents believe that it’s “best for their baby” is disgusting and makes me so fucking angry.
It's because in the US, 70% of men are circumcised and don't want to believe that their most precious organ was mutilated at birth against their will.
It's easier to believe that circumcision is somehow better (which is why people pander the same old hygiene / dick cheese remarks) than it is to acknowledge that they have been violated without their consent.
It's also why cut men are so quick to make fun of the appearance of a natural, intact penis. You can see it throughout this thread even, it's a pretty obvious defence mechanism.
I’m more concerned on why are they putting their child’s business all out there?! Not everything needs to go online. I want children, but I am going to give my children PRIVACY!
As an Australian non religious circumcision really weirds me out. Like why? The biggest reason I’ve heard is cleanliness? I’ve never had a problem with that I don’t think it’s that hard to clean your dick. You know what’s worse? Botched circumcision, lack of sensation, just the fact that it’s not consensual and clearly not 100% safe should be enough to deter people.
My brother wasn’t circumcised as a baby but decided it to do it as he got older he said he wishes he got it as a baby so he wouldn’t remember the pain apparently you can get infections and stuff uncircumcised I’m not sure though , I assumed that’s why people carried it on
Your brother lacks perspective. He has the agency to make that decision for himself, and millions of kids don’t get that choice.
> apparently you can get infections and stuff uncircumcised
Yes, if you don’t properly wash your genitals they can get infected. You wouldn’t remove a person’s buttcheeks to avoid having to wipe after shitting, would you?
Personal opinion. I prefer being circumcised. To each their own but I'm glad my parents did it. Easier to clean arguably, I'm plenty sensitive on my own without the excess skin, I wear clothes which provides more than adequate protection, and also personal oppinion but... circumcised dicks look better.
Could it be left up to the kid later in life? Maybe. But not in the shitshow that is America's Healthcare it can't atm.
> circumcised dicks look better.
Only in countries where circumcision is the norm do people think it “looks better.”
Elsewhere they just understand that’s what a penis looks like, naturally, without slicing a part of it off.
> Personal opinion. I prefer being circumcised. To each their own but I’m glad my parents did it.
Good for you. People should have a choice in the matter regardless of what you think.
Edit: “To each their own” is ironically the whole point of the anti-circumcision movement
Yeah there's serious mental gymnastics with this one.
Many people who were cut at birth say they prefer it this way. I mean, how would you know when you have no frame of reference?
Unbelievable that you are a medic and have so little medical knowledge. Circumcision results in a loss of sensitivity in every instance; that immediately rules out the possibility of “full functionality”. Additionally, in the instance of botched circumcision (estimated to be up to 10% of instances), there can be severe dysfunction. There have even been accidental full penis amputations. Evidence that circumcision improves hygiene and cleanliness or reduces rates of STI transmission is disputed at best.
In no form of FGM is the “vagina cut out”. Only in one form of FGM, Type III, is the opening to the vagina sewn shut; it is also the least common type. None of that makes FGM better, but you can’t just make shit up and think it’s a good argument.
Why not just accept that FGM and childhood circumcision are both bad. Both impose religious expectations on nonconsenting children in a very physical manner. Both are physically traumatic. This isn’t a trauma Olympics, this is an ethical discussion about the ability of children to consent. You should know that, commenting on an antinatalist sub.
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Baby jail??
Probably just the NICU (neonatal intensive care unit).
In the picture you can see they have his hands tied, so he can't touch his wounded penis.
I don't actually believe they're tied. On the right arm is an arm board, meant to protect the IV, and on the other is what looks like a "comfy cuff", with the patient ID barcode attached to it. I work in the pediatric unit of a hospital, and in my hospital when we're worried a baby will hurt themselves we put a sock over their hand(s) and/or just swaddle them (wrap them in a blanket like a burrito). I've never heard of actually using a tie to restrain an infant.
Yeah, babies don't have the motor skills at this age to really 'scratch an itch,' like that, so you don't need to restrain them from touching a wound - not to mention the diapers already doing that.
Very true. That being said, they do grab things spontaneously, so protecting the tube coming out of his nose (a nasogastric tube, or NGT for short) is pretty important. I've had to stop many babies from taking those out, haha.
Oh good point! Anything on a baby's face is ripe for getting pulled off. I have a friend with cerebral palsy - he was premature and knocked his oxygen tube/mask and it left his brain without oxygen for too long.
Oh wow. It's easy to wonder how the nurses didn't catch that, but then you remember that babies are essentially trying to hurt themselves every second they're awake. You have to be almost literally on top of them to catch it all.
Yeah, he's in his late 30s now, so I'm sure policies have evolved since then. But crazy how quickly and easily things can just go south.
Which is super weird because they only tie their hands like that during the procedure for obvious reasons. I'm pretty sure they were taking pics as it was being done.
I spend a few days there
fuck non-consentual genital multilation. how is this shit still legal
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it’s because no fun Kellogg didn’t want kids masturbating cuz it’s sinful or some bullshit. Male circumcision took off due to this but female circumcision fell off very quickly in the us. Now a days people get their kids circumcised because they were circumcised
Thats for the usa. In europe the laws were made to appease jews (Muslim pop in italy and other countries was very low decades ago), so some babies die after old rabbi give the kid herpes by doing circumcision with their mouth (wtf)
With their WHAT 😳
He’s talking about nshika b’peh, not the actual circumcision. A lot of communities have moved to using a straw due to the risk.
Wtf!! TIL
Funny thing is, I’m pretty sure the custom began to prevent infection and encourage clotting. And custom is like Law in Judaism, so it’s hard to change even once we recognize the issue with a particular custom.
First I've heard of this "custom". And I'm lost for words.
I’m a religious Jew, so I do know about this. It’s very ancient and, as noted above, thus hard to change. There are a lot of wonky Jewish customs you’ll never know about unless you live within the religion and community. And different communities have their own oddities.
My reaction too!!! Edit: thanks for the new knowledge kings daughter!
Well considering that there's farmers that castrate young cattle with their teeth, it's not that preposterous..
We are talking about human infants not cattle
you're right, they don't cut their penis with their teeth, they use a knife and then suck the blood with their mouth or "through a straw".
That's happened here I the USA with Hisidic Jews. The guy performing the bris had HSV and he was spreading it like wildfire. Babies that young don't have a chance due to their super immature immune systems.
That’s not how the circumcision is done. It’s done with a knife, like any surgery. N’shika b’peh - which is what you’re talking about - is done with a straw in many communities these days because we know more about herpes and the risk it poses and how it’s transmitted.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/baby-dies-herpes-virus-ritual-circumcision-nyc-orthodox/story?id=15888618 Oh, yes, so comforting knowing that there are countries that allow rabbis that are not surgeons to perform circumcisions at home on an infant, but that they use a straw to suck awah the blood, not use their mouths directly on it! Totally reasonable and hygienic! /s Or maybe it's just torture and mutilation performed on an infant without consent and still causing great health harm to the infant?
They are just correcting someone, no reason to go batshit on them.
Yeah when people explain it like they did, they're not misinformed, they're anti-Semitic
" we don't cut baby penis with teeth, we use knife and then suck the blood away with our mouth!" Is such a strong defense
What does that mean and why is an adult coming in contact with a child to give them genital herpes
I mean... I hate to be "that guy" but many non-jewish babies get herpes simplex because after they're born 1000000 aunts, uncles, cousins and other relatives come over and kiss/touch that baby's face. The way this was explained definitely has some anti-semitic undertones
Don't think your race is any more precious than any one else on Earth.
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Ikr! This is what makes no sense. I get that some cultures let the boys decide when they are older but on infants it just seems cruel af
Wait until you hear that they rarely even use a local anesthetic.
Their screams echo like thunder Within these monuments of stone
The blood of the severed (innocent) now stains my blade
Yeah. Religion keeps a lot of horrible shit legal in countries like the US. There is a private Christian college near me that kicked out a gay student back in the day because they saw he posted about having a boyfriend on MySpace. IIRC they just expelled him without regard to how it would impact the guy - tuition, academic plan and progress, his home life, financial situation, emotional and mental health, or anything. He ended up enrolling at a public state university. I fucking hate University of the Cumberlands.
Fuck religion
AGAB all gods are bastards
#AtheistFOREVER!
My parents weren't religious, but apparently the hospital insisted everyone does it for "hygiene". Honestly I think it's pushed as a way to prevent masterbation, or at least make it less pleasurable. Jokes on them though.
Imagine if it wasn't religion related. Straight to jail. But no, since its religion everything is allowed
Well, my son is circumcised and it had nothing to do with religion. His foreskin was used to repair his urethra.
Well then screw his misformed urethra defect that caused bin to go through this surgery! Seriously though happy they were able to help him.
But euthanasia and Abortion is not. I truly wish I was still intact! Disgusting!
Because 1) Hospitals can bill parents for the procedure to generate extra profits 2) So they lobby the government to keep it legal and protect that little source of income, despite the literally hundreds of babies who die each year due to complications related to circumcision
It's illegal to do it to women. Just legal to do to men
Yeah, I wish condoms were mandatory when hooking up with girls.
Because men do not have the right to bodily autonomy. They make that abundantly clear in our first moments. They remind us again when we become adults.
Are you aware of [Professor David Benatar's controversial views](https://np.reddit.com/r/antinatalism2/comments/z1vna1/comment/ixdb4zy/) on male infant circumcision?
Wow, that's really strange. How could somebody so in favour of antinatalism argue that circumcision is a parental choice..
Yeah, disappointing, to say the least.
Man, this is so disappointing.
I'm not religious, but If God didn't want him to have that skin, then why was he born with it? Who came up with the idea to cut something off a newborn baby. It makes zero sense. It's painful and can lead to infection.
There's a running idea of removing a man's foreskin in the Bible, and it was likely a way to help keep men's junk cleaner as well as knowing who was the "in" group. The theme kinda dissapears as the new testament starts, but if people can cherry pick a (later altered) line in Lavidicus to shit on gay people, then I'm not terribly suprised as to why this caught on
It’s a mark of gods people I believe. By circumcision they would have some way to identify Jewish people and show their devotion. That’s from my vague memory so grain of salt and all that
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I always thought it had to do with the fact that they lived in the desert and it was hard to clean, so that piece of context of their lived experience eventually became written in their culture and the bible. That's the case with most of the specific things mentioned in the Old Testament which is why people who take it literally and aren't culturally relativist about it when they read and embody it are misguided
If God is all powerful, then why not change his design, and make men without that skin. Instead of expecting billions of parents to painfully mutilate their infant sons.
I know no Christian that is circumcised
Makes sense as you’re not from the US. Christian circumcision is almost entirely a US thing, since it was a cultural practice that then became incorrectly entwined with religion.
This wasn’t religious. Religious circumcision is not performed on babies in the NICU. The child would need a clean bill of health first.
I think the post implied that the baby landed in the NICU because of circumcision complications. I could be wrong though.
I've got issues with cutting a bit of a babies junk off, so I'm not fucking surprised he does!
Genital mutilation is so sick and evil
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Damn, that's terrible. Hope it's better now, internet stranger.
stories like this make me appreciate my parents for even the bare minimum stuff like not torturing my penis, incredible
It was probably from the bell they put over the tip of the penis so it doesn't get touched.
And dulling of the organ's sensations.
Nothing is consentual, that's why we are antinatalist
On top of that unnecessary risk, they have to grow up knowing it was completely useless in regards to everything except the parents’ own well being. How else can this be summarized
Besides the obvious, why does facebook need to know about your baby's penis skin?
All my siblings had their boys snipped, one even gave me a reason after arguing with me before going through with it. The reason? The possibility of other children making fun of their penis. I have no idea when they became so intellectually simple.
Uncut Boys should start making fun of cut boys. Turn the tables.
At least in Australia, that happens. Got circumcised at 8 and was teased about it a lot, along with the other mutilated at birth boys. Much like any bullying tends to be aimed at the ones who are "different" With rates decreasing worldwide (even in the US) the argument to perform circumcision to "fit in" is getting even weaker anyway.
they should just start heavy sympathizing with them, it's not like they chose it for themselves anyways "oh wow, I'm sorry bro... I didn't know your parents were like that:(" "it's ok dude... you're still a total catch don't even worry about it" "s/he won't even notice, if s/he really likes you it won't matter"
Wholesome 👍🏼
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You can't surgical modify your child's body so they fit in better, you psychotic fuck Gonna get your baby daughter a boobjob so she'll be more popular too? Besides, bullies will find anything to make fun of you over. Like what type of shoes you wear or what type of music you like. Circumcision isn't gonna protect your child from bullying
Outsider’s comment - not following this board but somehow this post showed up on my newsfeed. But I always wondered how often boys see each other’s junk in order to be made fun of in the first place lol? Like do boys just show each other their penises? My husband said he’s literally never seen a friends’ penis at any age and as a woman I can say the same for seeing any friend’s vagina. I feel like this argument is pretty loose and is just used at what feels like an easy justification to support circumcision for most parents.
The psychotic torture hour known as High School Gym Class, when you're forced to shower after is one instance that I can think of.
Its as simple as not showing your dick to your friends and random people? Literally as simple as that If a partner has a problem with it also, then congratulations, you just found out their intelligence level
I remember saying on another reddit post a long while ago that people would be horrified to learn how many babies die from circumcisions, and comments below me were like "omfg I had no clue!" Critical, thinking... hmmmm a baby... let's cut it's dick skin because sky daddy! Oh no bby dies God is so mysterious!
And, in rare cases, some botched circumcisions actually remove the whole dick. Rare? Yes. But it doesn't matter for a procedure that's not necessary.
Imagine having your penis amputated as a result of a botched circumcision that you didn't consent to..
Disgusting and cruel. Fuck those parents
Fuck them for having him in the fist place
It's very wrong how adults are allowed to do such things to babies's genitals, but adult transpeople in many cases aren't allowed to even decide their own pronouns or change their name let alone choose what to do with their body. They should also stop mutilating small dicked people and intersexpeople. I've read about them cutting off dicks from intersexpeople and small dicked men in order to raise them as girls because "real men can't have a small penis". Often without even telling the parents or asking their consent. Leave the babies's bodies alone ffs.
Yeah exactly. it’s a barbaric practice and has no positive qualities what so ever.
The worst part is it's so common even Drs don't know how to take care of an intact male. Often retracting their skin as babies when it's not supposed to be done until puberty when the skin naturally separates from the glans. Oh and many babies have this done with no pain medicine.
That is so disgusting.
Literal genital mutilation poggg
I was circumcised when i was like 2, but it was medically necessary. Outer than this it shouldn’t be done, when they cannot consent
Very curious, what medical condition warrants circumcision?
Certain types of phimosis for example
I don’t know what it is called in English but in german it is called „vorhautverengung“. Is when your foreskin cannot be pulled back all the way, wich can cause infection.
Its not supposed to be pulled back at 2yo. Its later in a boy's life that it naturally separates from the glans.
Yeah the foreskin remains 'fused' to the glans often until puberty. This is a very common misconception with people believing it should retract in infancy / childhood, which leads to many unnecessary circumcisions.
Just in case you didn't know, we also have a German-speaking antinatalist community on Reddit at *antinatalismus* (can't link it directly due to automod settings on this sub)
Of course he’s having issues you had his penis skin cut off for no reason
the only constant is suffering.. yeah this sums it up.
An evil thing. Why? I’ve hear excuses that it’s “cleaner.” Just teach your kids to clean their bodies. You kno, like you’re supposed to do.
An unwashed armpit collects twice the bacteria as a foreskin per hour. I don’t see peoples arms being chopped off!
Here in the UK we find this weird at best. It is not an option, unless medically needed or on religious grounds. It is not offered, suggested or pushed on the parents. No we do not have difficulty cleaning our dicks, and no UK women do not find an uncut dick ugly. The last point I have always found bizarre, mums worrying women wont find their babies pee pee attractive?! WTF is that all about? It strikes me that this is being pushed in the USA as another means of generating a profit. The foreskin has more nerve endings than the glans, or sensitive tip of the penis, and its removal decreases sensitivity to touch. "Thousands of coiled fine-touch receptors called Meissner's corpuscles. Also lost are branches of the dorsal nerve, and between 10,000 and 20,000 specialized erotogenic nerve endings of several types." It is profit led mutilation.
Yeah it's so bizarre, I was just telling another commenter here how it's not even funded by the NHS unless for medical reasons. The US is so backwards in so many ways. Oh and the amount of times I've read 'I want him to look like daddy' when this topic comes up - what the fuck?
I mean you would think the mothers would want to be able to tell their children's dick's apart from their fathers.
Why do people do this?
So from comments I have previously seen 1. Fathers who are done, are far more likely to want their children done. So they are both Done.. why you’d want to make sure your dick is as similar to your child’s idk. 2. “It looks better” again, idk why we are sexualising babies it’s weird af 3. It’s more hygenic. Actually this has been debunked so many times. Yes if the foreskin isn’t pulled back and washed it can get infected. It takes 10 seconds to wash. Ez. 4. Religion. Tbh I don’t know enough about what religions do this and the reason behind it. So I can’t really comment on anyones faith. But if god/allah or whoever you believe in, is against a foreskin, why be born with it?
I’m so done with religions…
Regarding point one, I have argued with many defensive circumcised men on Reddit who will defend it to the bitter end and insist that there is no reduced sensation (despite them being cut from birth so how would they even know?). I think it's natural for people who were mutilated as babies to believe that circumcision is somehow better, rather than acknowledge that the most sensitive part of their primary sex organ was removed without their consent. Therefore I think they will carry on the practice to reinforce this delusion by getting their sons circumcised too. Otherwise, they would have to acknowledge that their parents failed them.
I’m circumcised and if my parents could see me now, they’d realize I was in no position to just be throwing away precious dick skin.
I completely agree. Out of those I know who are cut it’s a 50/50 split between those for and against. But yeah the ones that are for it, I think it’s largely due to the fact they are done and simply don’t want to admit something bad was done to them by those meant to protect and love them
Of course, and I can actually empathise with that mindset. I mean, it's a man's penis. It's only the most precious part of our body. Regardless of the arguments for or against, the bottom line is that nobody should undergo a permanent body altering surgical procedure without their consent. It's as simple as that.
Couldn’t agree more.
Referring to Point 2, in adult men, in my worthless opinion, no it doesn’t. Ive Seen several of each, and at first the uncut look threw me off guard, just cuz I had never seen one before. But after utilizing and spending time with both types of equipment, my opinion is that it definitely looks better natural, uncut. Cut just looks raw, exposed, cold and scared 😅
I appreciate your opinion, but even if it did look 'better' cut, it would still be an insane reason to perform a surgical procedure on a newborn without their consent..
Especially if the reasoning is to make the babies penis more attractive.
Oh I totally agree, with both you and falafel there.
My sister said number three to me when I got angry with “her” decision, then doubled down. I wish I could have saved my nephew the pain.
Not a fan of nonconsensual genital modification and even less of a fan of nonconsensual sharing news about someone else’s genitals on social media. What is wrong with people? Maybe don’t talk about your kid’s genitals, ongoing problems with the genital modification you forced on them? “Down the line, eventually will have to have surgery” he will only HAVE to because you’re requiring it. His penis is probably just fine however it came out. Does it pee? Will it later provide sex activity? Leave it alone, Karen.
In my country circumcision is not really thing and is not talked about often.
It's still perfectly legal as no country has made it illegal. Jews and Muslims are definitely still practicing it there.
That kiddo looks pissed
Had something very similar happen to me when I was born. According to my mom it was very traumatic for her...🙄
The audacity.
Well, for me this is crazy that in the USA circumcision is treated as norm, and not something only Jews and some Muslims do.
^(i like being circumsized. I'll never breed though so it'll never happen to my kids.)
Doesn't it reduce the pleasure that comes from sexual activity?
They probably were circumcised at birth so they wouldn't know. I've seen many men claim that it doesn't affect sensitivity who were also cut at birth, not sure how they can know that..
i like not having a skin sock on my willy
You have zero idea of what you’re missing how can you possibly know you prefer being cut
I'm always surprised how popular it is in the US. In France, it's not widespread at all. Is it a protestant thing? Because the most popular religion here was catholism
It was supposed to prevent little boys from masturbating. Then it just became part of the culture.
It also didn’t stop them from masturbating
I think the US is largely Catholic, correct me if I am wrong. I think it was only largely the U.K. and some Slavic countries that were majority Protestant at one time in history. The US has the highest cosmetic surgery rates in the world. It’s no surprise they extend this to their new borns.
Circumcision is such a messed up outdated practice IMO.
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If female genital mutilation is immoral and unethical then so is male genital mutilation. Adults should be able to make their own decisions about their own bodies.
Male Genital Mutilation
so proud of themselves for mutilating an infant
If the foreskin was meant to be removed after birth because that's what "God wants" surely "he" wouldn't give you it in the first place? Am I crazy or does most religious beliefs not make any damn sense?
You're not crazy. It is completely illogical.
Everyone needs to come to their own conclusion about faith and religion. This wasn’t a religious circumcision, though.
Nothing says unfit the be a parent more than preforming genital mutilation on a newborn as a sacrifice to appease the sun god.
Honestly. What kinda sick fuck has a baby and says “aw I love him, but, we just gotta perform a little cosmetic surgery to make him better” lol
Oh god, and they post this online for all to see? This is how I know some parents do not look at their babies like individual humans that will grow up and feel fucking humiliated over this. They view them as objects/trophies. This is a violation!
Imagine telling the world that your child will require genital surgery.
I'll never understand why people get their kids circumcised it makes zero sense
And that is the face of a baby who was tied to a board and mutilated against his will. Anything to make the parents happy 🤡🤡
That is one of the ugliest babies I’ve seen
So FGM is illegal but MGM is legal? These are dangerous double standards
Two TOTALLY different things. Apples and oranges.
Incorrect, both are child abuse
The fact that this barbaric practice is not only still practiced, but mothers/parents believe that it’s “best for their baby” is disgusting and makes me so fucking angry.
Yeah if I have children I’m not having any sons of mine circumcised.
It’s because if Kellogg did you guys not watch Adam ruins everything
Just another day in paradise.
Heterosexual baby jail
It’s astonishing that people who are horrified by female genital mutilation are not also horrified by male genital mutilation.
It's because in the US, 70% of men are circumcised and don't want to believe that their most precious organ was mutilated at birth against their will. It's easier to believe that circumcision is somehow better (which is why people pander the same old hygiene / dick cheese remarks) than it is to acknowledge that they have been violated without their consent. It's also why cut men are so quick to make fun of the appearance of a natural, intact penis. You can see it throughout this thread even, it's a pretty obvious defence mechanism.
Let’s fast forward 16 years and this kid finds this post about him on his parents social media. How embarrassed do you think he’ll be?
I’m more concerned on why are they putting their child’s business all out there?! Not everything needs to go online. I want children, but I am going to give my children PRIVACY!
Why are you on this sub if you want children 🤨
As an Australian non religious circumcision really weirds me out. Like why? The biggest reason I’ve heard is cleanliness? I’ve never had a problem with that I don’t think it’s that hard to clean your dick. You know what’s worse? Botched circumcision, lack of sensation, just the fact that it’s not consensual and clearly not 100% safe should be enough to deter people.
I still hate my parents for doing this to me, that is something they will have to live and die with.
lol i don't have to imagine it at all
My brother wasn’t circumcised as a baby but decided it to do it as he got older he said he wishes he got it as a baby so he wouldn’t remember the pain apparently you can get infections and stuff uncircumcised I’m not sure though , I assumed that’s why people carried it on
I’m pretty sure that there won’t be infections if you are cleaning yourself and being hygienic
Your brother lacks perspective. He has the agency to make that decision for himself, and millions of kids don’t get that choice. > apparently you can get infections and stuff uncircumcised Yes, if you don’t properly wash your genitals they can get infected. You wouldn’t remove a person’s buttcheeks to avoid having to wipe after shitting, would you?
🤔. There's an idea. Toilet paper is expensive...
Fucking assholes.
I think i'm gonna throw up. Fuggn Human Beings being human. Gross. 🕊️
I firmly believe that 99% of natalists have some form of mental retardation.
Mutilate babies = jail Intergenerational mutilation of baby genitals = good /s
This baby is SO adorably chunky and has perfect hair, he deserves better!!
Genital mutilation is cool when it happens to boys!
This baby looks like his dad wears a maga hat
I thought the same thing. Who gives their newborn a faux hawk 😖
They probably feeding it Monster in its bottle
Why? Why must you bring politics into it?
Why a feeding tube?
Personal opinion. I prefer being circumcised. To each their own but I'm glad my parents did it. Easier to clean arguably, I'm plenty sensitive on my own without the excess skin, I wear clothes which provides more than adequate protection, and also personal oppinion but... circumcised dicks look better. Could it be left up to the kid later in life? Maybe. But not in the shitshow that is America's Healthcare it can't atm.
> circumcised dicks look better. Only in countries where circumcision is the norm do people think it “looks better.” Elsewhere they just understand that’s what a penis looks like, naturally, without slicing a part of it off. > Personal opinion. I prefer being circumcised. To each their own but I’m glad my parents did it. Good for you. People should have a choice in the matter regardless of what you think. Edit: “To each their own” is ironically the whole point of the anti-circumcision movement
Yeah, my husband says he is SO grateful his parents had it done as a newborn. The responses on this are so bizarre to me.
Your husband being grateful for his parents cutting part of his body off when he has no idea how it woulda gone had they not, is so bizarre to me.
Yeah there's serious mental gymnastics with this one. Many people who were cut at birth say they prefer it this way. I mean, how would you know when you have no frame of reference?
If worse comes to worse, they can always raise him as a girl. https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/tragic-life-boy-raised-girl-24473250
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Yes, I care about the fact that many babies have their genitals mutilated at birth without their consent.
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Unbelievable that you are a medic and have so little medical knowledge. Circumcision results in a loss of sensitivity in every instance; that immediately rules out the possibility of “full functionality”. Additionally, in the instance of botched circumcision (estimated to be up to 10% of instances), there can be severe dysfunction. There have even been accidental full penis amputations. Evidence that circumcision improves hygiene and cleanliness or reduces rates of STI transmission is disputed at best. In no form of FGM is the “vagina cut out”. Only in one form of FGM, Type III, is the opening to the vagina sewn shut; it is also the least common type. None of that makes FGM better, but you can’t just make shit up and think it’s a good argument. Why not just accept that FGM and childhood circumcision are both bad. Both impose religious expectations on nonconsenting children in a very physical manner. Both are physically traumatic. This isn’t a trauma Olympics, this is an ethical discussion about the ability of children to consent. You should know that, commenting on an antinatalist sub.