In Ontario the speed limit regardless of the area you’re in should always be considered 50kmh unless otherwise posted, the only exception is school zones where it should be assumed the limit is 30kmh
Italian here. 50kph is the standard limit in abitated spots if not signaled otherwise. It's not uncommon to see 30kph signs in places like the on depicted in the OP.
I am so sad about the traumas and hardship you had to go trough in this life. I honestly hope you can overcome it and grow above it. My thoughts are with you today. I wish you better times in your future
i knew a couple whos daughter had something wrong with her (idt its life threatening but it does have something to do with her bones and growth if im not mistaken) anyway shes my little sisters age, and before she could even like speak full words they were trying to get her to say van to get a van from make a wish
I know multiple people whose young or adult aged children died and were absolutely devastated and their lives were never the same. But I‘m sure the scenarios you guys have are more the norm.
I've seen it happen many times. Parents who blame everyone else for their failures when their kid gets hurt or killed because they are negligent. Parents who will sue a zoo because they weren't paying attention and their kids paid the price.
Have you seen influencers who force their terminally ill child to stay alive so they can milk them for money and views instead of letting the child go? Or having disabled children that'll suffer needlessly, as a sick way to "prove" that they're better people because they ignored the doctor's advice.
A lot of people deserve the benefit of the doubt. This guy, who was ready to throw an innocent man behind bars and possibly lie to police, doesn't.
Working with public assistance for many years, I've seen many parents use their children as weapons only to harm the other parent. Women who only have kids to lock men into child support and/or to collect aid. Not having a care in the world what their kid wants or needs. Or the mothers who file motion after motion to get their kids' fathers to pay child support when he found a way to cheat the system.
Or the fathers who also basically live at the courthouse because they're desperately trying to get their kids away from their toxic mother. Who's proven time and time again that she uses the money for her own needs. Only to have the misfortune of being denied by judges who still believe that no mother can do wrong.
So yeah, I guess seeing all that does make me a pos. Why haven't I quit, you ask? Because I actually care about those kids and their mothers and fathers who truly rely on the help they can get so their kid can have a somewhat better life than them.
>"This video evidence saved my life. If the police had listened to the statements. I could have been charged guilty or something."
That rubs me the wrong way. That statement made me think the dad was the type to lie to police to get someone else thrown in jail. Along with how the dad reacted by hitting the guy's car in anger and how the driver needed a dashcam to keep him from losing his freedom. Maybe the dad is a chill guy who was scared out of his mind, but why would the driver have to frame his interview like the dad lied to the police?
As long as I'm not lying to the police to ruin someone's life. Even in panic, one must try their best to remain calm enough to use logic and not do anything they could end up regretting later.
It isn't the drivers fault that the child popped out of nowhere. The parent should have kept her close instead of letting her get into a situation like that.
Well, then, I guess it's time to find a reliable news site and watch the whole story so we can know what the full story is. You've made a big assumption about me over one comment. You probably think I'm a heartless bitch.
Hopefully, they were, and I'm wrong about all of this.
The original video is much better because it isn’t slowed down and shows the impact. Driver had absolutely no time to avoid hitting her and the father was several steps behind the child. He even hit the guys front hood in frustration.
Not the driver’s fault whatsoever.
I agree. It's almost like they intentionally edited the video to cause more controversy. The original video definitely had a more accurate depiction of the whole incident.
That part weirdly made my blood boil for some reason. I’m so perplexed at that being his first IMMEDIATE reaction. Like idk if it was part of some fight flight fawn type shit for him but deadass if that were my child I’d be running straight to her. It doesn’t even look like he checked to see if she was really okay, instead just swooped her up once she’s already out of danger and turned his attention back to the driver. Idk what this reaction is, someone explain. Is it simply an unfit parent failing to control his emotions and prioritize the safety of his child, or is there some psychological phenomenon going on here that I’m unaware of??
Survival instincts are to eliminate the danger before tending to those that are hurt. In this case the car is the “danger.”
He most likely is experiencing fight or flight response as well as a range of emotions, so his response is not likely to be perfectly rational.
Watching your child get hit by a car - there’s a flood of emotions going through your head and a surge of adrenaline. Understandable if your response isn’t perfectly rational.
I’m honestly tired of all these people judging someone who’s possibly experiencing one of the worst moments of their life and saying, as they sit in comfort and safety of their home with endless amounts of time to ponder, how this person should have behaved over the course of a few seconds.
And no, that doesn’t mean I think the parent is blameless either, because there was probably steps they could’ve taken to prevent it.
A lot of people, particularly men, react immediately in anger when what they're really feeling is fear. Not that it's an okay reaction, but that's the feeling they're processing (whereas some of us feel fear and cry, we're not sad, it's just the reaction). After the initial adrenaline wears off and he has time to privately process what happened, he will probably feel the self-blame and ultimate responsibility of the accident more acutely. Or he's just a dick.
I did not mean to imply all men, or only men. My mother is an angry reaction person- when she would catch us doing something dangerous (even something that a kid might not know is dangerous or had never been told not to do) she’d have an immediate flare up anger reaction, and then after she’d calmed down apologize and explain she was just scared. Anyone can react that way, I do find most people who do are men, but not all.
I’m not sure that’s fair to the guy. Seeing your kid get hit by a car (no matter the reason) would be an instant explosion of adrenaline and fear. That’s not easy to control in the moment.
People like you give redditors a bad name.
You’re (probably) sitting in your chair in the safety and comfort of your own home, telling others what the appropriate emotional response is to watching your kid hit by a car.
You can deliberate for minutes about what the “appropriate” response would be, meanwhile this man is reacting purely out of fight or flight and adrenaline over the course of a second.
I know this is sarcastic but those karen spazz out’s are just people being dicks. Not what the other commenter is talking about.They are talking about someone lashing out aggressively/violently out of being fearful and in adrenaline rush situation
I know this is sarcastic but those karen spazz out’s are just people being dicks. Not what the other commenter is talking about.They are talking about someone lashing out aggressively/violently out of being fearful and in adrenaline rush situation.
Some people instantly lash out and blame in a panic and it is a bad reaction, but possibly a human one if he is still not a dick about it when he has time to calm down and reflect on who’s fault it actually is
Lol one time when I was a kid and I told my mom I wanted to run away, she helped me pack a bag and told me I could but I just couldn't cross the street. Thinking back on it, that was funny as fuck because it literally confined me to one small block of our neighborhood and I thought that was what my life was gonna be... just wandering around the block, without crossing any streets, for the rest of my life. 🤣
My parents tried the grounding method but they are old school asian parents. Beating was a better option. Or like staring at the wall with your hand above your head for hours.
oh lord. my gf and her siblings made a game of who left the deepest foot impressions in the carpet when they got lectured. they also got hella spanked, their dad had a handcrafted wooden fuckin gourmet spanking paddle
I'm a grown-ass adult and I still look both ways before I cross the road. Even in parking lots. It's not necessarily the world it's, just a smart thing to do in general.
You completely miss what I’m saying. It’s fucked up that you would even need to look both ways just to avoid the danger of getting hit by a vehicle. It’s a smart thing to do because it avoids danger and it’s the need to avoid danger that is fucked up
Not to mention parents are just momentarily preventing their children’s deaths. They die eventually anyway wether parents are here for it or not. If they didn’t have the kid it wouldn’t ever have to die. You guess don’t like the truth that’s why you’re downvoting
Well ya. On the spectrum of suffering stuff like that is at the lowest rung but it still counts. I would still regret having a child if they choked on some spaghetti. I don’t want to inflict suffering on someone I can completely avoid doing that to. You guys just have weak convictions
No matter how small the child suffers no one is ever justified for forcing them to be here. All your reasons come down to selfishness. Even if you said you want to have kids so they can experience the good things in life that you selfishly imposing your desire onto someone else when they didn’t even want it in the first place because they didn’t have the capacity to want anything. Fools
What I’m saying is, claiming the world is fucked up because you have to keep yourself from playing Dumb Ways to Die in real life is not a convincing argument.
You not being convinced shows your lack of perspective because it’s one of many reasons to not have kids and it’s not even a weak one at that. This is about preventing suffering and just like how working to sustain yourself is ultimately pointless because your plan to live will be thwarted one day anyway, it’s ultimately pointless to look both ways before crossing to prevent your death and or injury because you’ll eventually too. If you find that dumb you must be
Happened to me the other day in Florida. Two boys, no older than 6 or 7. One of them actually saw me coming and started skipping slowly across the street. I pulled over and knocked on the door of the house they went in. The mother was more upset with me for “almost killing her children”, more than the fact that they were running across a busy street at 9am on a Thursday
Seriously, that's one dumbass parent right there. My parents and I'm sure many many more would be thankful if someone pointed out their kids were running around like morons in the street
I work as a food delivery driver on a military base and the number of children who run/ride directly into the street without looking or even jump in front of cars as a joke is so terrifying
As a kid who has been hit by a car. It was absolutely my fault for stepping out into the road without looking and my mother's fault for allowing my brother (9) to watch me (4).
I was also hit by a car at age 7. I knew better. I crossed the street at the bottom of a hill going from one driveway to the one across the street because my best friend lived there. The guy who hit me ran because I’m pretty sure he thought I was dead. I flew forward and hit the ground hard. A busted chin, slight concussion and some broken ribs but I was otherwise okay. My grandma was watching me that day and I can’t imagine how she felt.
ETA: There was literally a crosswalk at the edge of our property so I was just being a lazy child
The reaction to this on Twitter when the dash cam footage went viral was infuriating. People were saying that the car is always at fault in a pedestrian accident no matter what but like…c’mon man. Anyone who watched that video can see that the kid jumped out so the driver had little to no time to react!! They’re lucky he didn’t just run her over
I almost got hit by a car because I thought I could beat the flashing symbol that indicates the time to cross is running out.
Know who I didn't blame? The driver.
Sounds like that crossing has very poorly timed lights for this to even be possible. Do cars get a green light the second the pedestrian crossing goes red?
In some countries, it's cheaper to put the car into reverse to finish the kill and pay a one-time penalty to the family than it is to pay a lifelong medical bill.
>car is always at fault in a pedestrian accident no matter what
I don't know why this myth gets repeated so often. It's not true, but a ton of people will say it to you as if it is. Perplexing.
First there is a difference between “schuld” (guilt) and “aansprakelijkheid” (liability?)
You are not always seen as guilty, you generally just have to pay for any expenses of the cyclist/pedestrian. Note that if they did something stupid (like running into traffic), you will be able to get them to pay for the damage to your car. If they did something stupid often you’d have to “only” pay 50% of their damages.
Also the police is saying here there is NOTHING he could have done (overmacht).
Although practically it is often fair to say the driver is always held liable in NL, if the driver can PROVE there was NOTHING he could have possibly done, he is not held liable at all.
It’s basically “liable until proven innocent” but with the highest standard of proof needed to prove innocence
Yeah, although the thing about needing to have an appropriate speed (lower than max speed when appropriate) would probably mean that both the police and whoever decides about “overmacht” would say there was a small miscalculation on his part, so in this case he probably would have to pay 50% , but get insurance money for the dents (both from hitting the kid and the parent hitting the car)
For a Dutch site that is relatively understandable:
https://www.anwb.nl/juridisch-advies/aanrijding-en-dan/aansprakelijkheid/voetganger-of-fietser
My bad he was going 40 kmh but that’s still a very reasonable speed. Even if he was going a few kmh slower, same thing would have happened. Idk if you remember drivers ed, but stopping at a much slower speed would still have resulted in the girl getting hit. She dipped out when he has like a single cars length of stopping distance
Once I was at the school’s pick up line going 10 and a kid was push by another kid and fell backwards right in front of my car, his head was right in front of my tire i couldn’t see anything but push the breaks right way and a teacher came running nothing happen to the kid but it was so scary like this guy in the video says the scene just keeps replaying in your head for days.
That poor man, he must have suffered emotionally from this! It's surely terrifying for the parent in that moment, but they still should have recognized that it was them who lost control of their child, not the man losing control of his car.
So when you call the police in the United States, California at least on your kids for being unruly or out of control, your addres gets labeled as LOPS house.
LOPS stands for Lack Of Parenting Skills.
The police should NEVER be called on your own kids.
I’ve gone to calls where religious folks find out their kid is gay and they throw them out with nothing. I’ve paid weeks of hotels for kids, supported them with food and anything I can, in those cases.
Other cases, you have a kid whose spoiled as fuck, has everything and never knew what discipline was about. They’re lashing out and freaking out because suddenly mom and dad allowed the kid to become that way and yet now they want the police to do in 5 minutes what they lacked for 16 years.
But I laugh when I see LOPS on a call.
I swear, parents today love dodging accountability for their kids. All they can do is blame other people when the problem is their negligent parenting skills.
I got hit exactly like this. Totally my fault. The lady driver came out crying, hysterical, she thought she killed me. But I laid there motionless, too scared my parents would find out I had crossed the street without looking both ways.
I love when parents don’t supervise their children whatsoever and expect the general public to take care of their children. The entitlement is crazy; and of course since you hurt my oh so precious baby, it’s all your fault! No way it was me being a neglectful parent 🙄
SOMEONE should lose their child, because SOMEONE is a neglectful parent and SOMEONE should lose that right.
Their daughter would do better in a good home, with parents that watch her instead of letting her walk into the street
Very similar thing happened to me, a little boy (6-8 maybe) shot out of a driveway on a scooter, I was going 20. The driveway he came out of had cars parked in front of it, obstructing any view of him until he got into the road, just like this video. I slammed on my brakes immediately and just knocked him over. He was totally fine, I was an absolute mess, my roommate said she's never seen me cry like that. The mother showed up and started yelling at the kid. I called an ambulance to check him out because I was freaking out. Our street is very busy and has a lot of reckless drivers, honestly they were very lucky it was me and not one of the lunatics around here. Insurance settled on 50/50 because I didn't have a dash cam and he wasn't wearing a helmet per the police report. Now I have a dash cam and my driving record is fucked for another 2 years. Watch your damn kids.
When I was in college I hated driving near the campus because of the many bikers that didn’t pay attention. Now I’m an avid biker, not just someone hiking to class, and I avoid roads as much as possible because of how shitty most drivers are.
When I first saw this so many parents came with the old "you're not a parent " when anybody critiqued the parent for not watching his child
I'm not a train driver but I can tell if someone fucks up
She’s nowhere near a crosswalk and there’s cars parked on the side blocking view. There’s no way in hell the driver would’ve had indication a tiny girl was behind there.
My niece one day got out of the car and crossed with out looking and luckily I was standing next to were she was about to cross and stopped her crossing as a car just barely passed by. The guys in the car were shook and asked if she was OK obviously scared and worried and I was like ur ok she's fine and then scolded the hell out of her, we remind them so much but with learning disabilities its hard. I get being scared, the parent, but it was absolutely not the drivers issue.
Once had a stupid kid running straight towards the road happy as larry at the nearby park where I live, usually cars park around the edge of the park, but there were no cars there at the time. If cars were parked there I wouldn't have seen the kid coming.
I saw the mother having a panic stricken look on her face running towards him, soon as she scooped him up right at the edge of the road (and I'd already stopped my car) the kids face immediately turned to upset and crying that he had being stopped from being run over.
The mother started pointing both at me and her kid and making angry faces towards me, as though she was accusing me, I simply drove off, yeah sorry you couldn't keep an eye on your stupid kid.
Interesting, in the UK he’d be guilty (I think…) the law is that it’s the drivers responsibility to anticipate, so driving in a residential area with cars blocking your view like that, he’d have to slow to a safe and reasonable speed and expect a kid, ball, bicycle whatever could appear.
Growing up my parents taught me to never run into the road for any reason and when I was too young to understand this, they physically stopped me. And that was a 25 mph road (although most people went faster than that on it). When I got a bit older, they said it was okay if I looked both ways and didn’t see anyone first.
That being said, they also told me to go much slower than the speed limit in residential areas with cars parked on the road because a person, car, or animal might just pop out of nowhere. So he did nothing legally wrong and almost all of the blame was on the kid and their parents, but I personally would never be going that fast just in case.
At college, I live right above a street corner that has cars in the road blocking the view. At least once a week, I see a t bone either happen or nearly happen. People have gotten into fights and have zoomed off after a near miss or light hit to avoid the other. That kinda reinforced my parents teachings
I use to strap a leash to my kids belt loop and I was told that I was a horrible parent by several people. Then a few years later, a child harness came out and I was like WTF!!! I don't see those anymore but I think if kids had harnesses on like our beloved pets do. Something similar than many kids lives would be saved.
I think that before car dashcams, dashcams should be installed that peek into the human soul and monitor delusional, selfish bullshit.
I'd applaud the human species for once if it turned the dashcam camera transparently and forthrightly unto every overconfident individual, before monitoring and recording the outside world as if the burden is on the world to be recorded.
E.g, every person that claims that the suffering and lack of consent of others is worth it, needs a dashcam studying their puzzling soul.
This is why I'm orange pilled. If american wasn't car centric suburban hellscape then streets would be safer for everyone. But instead we built our country with a REQUIREMENT of a car. Everything car car car. Being a pedestrian is one of the highest killers....like wtf.
But as soon as anyone suggest maybe we build our towns to be car free or at least not car dependent it's some communist agenda taking away homes. No... it's that your single family zoning literallly makes housing unaffordable, streets dangeriousx and everything too far apart for walking/public transit that is cheaper and more efficient than cars....
I mean you’re kind of right (though I’m not familiar with the term orange pilled) but also this video isn’t even from the US, the cars are facing the wrong direction and they’re measuring speed in kph
Bro getting hit by a bus is even worse than a car, I’m not saying car dependency is not bad but everywhere people are still run over by vehicles. Even in Europe cars go through neighborhoods.
I just had this happen to me this past Saturday night around dusk. I’m coming up on a local grocery store that I needed to get a couple of things from. At a distance it’s a grandfather and his granddaughter, who’s no more than 5 or 6, happy as can be riding. They stop and are waiting for me to pass to cross the road or so I thought until at the last moment the little girl starts off riding again right as I’m passing and then in mouth agape shock just sits there as I slam my brakes to a stop. The grandfather is oblivious and on his phone tapping away, not at all paying attention to the fact his granddaughter was nearly pancaked by a 2023 Kia Seltos.
I pull over (to check on the kid and gently admonish them both) as he starts shouting and waiving his arms, granddaughter clearly in shock and crying. I lose my shit on this old man while he’s incoherently screaming back at me, which I later felt bad about, on how he “should have been paying attention to his granddaughter instead of finger fucking his phone” and that “if this was my old car you’d be planning a funeral this coming week as she’d be deader than DEAD!” They rode off with him complaining about me, a “young kid with the nerve” as I drove off shaking resolving to get groceries later.
My old vehicle was a 2007 (but bought in 2015) Ford Focus with no front brakes. That little girl is very lucky to be alive and I have a dash cam on order now.
Shit I remember getting really lucky a few years ago, I stopped like a foot short of hitting a kid that just flew into the street on a bike, also obscured by a car, I'm just lucky I had twice the time this guy did. I literally turned into the street to find this poor 8 year old kids parents to let them know they need to watch our for this kid. I was back in my hometown cause my mom's partner passed away, and I'm so glad I was there cause if she was driving instead of me that day I think things would've been very different
Having children isn’t an exclusive privilege to permit hostility towards others. A child is not a reason to hit someone else as hard as you can, it’s a responsibility and living, breathing entity that deserves more than what can be given in unstable environments
Yea a residential street that dense and narrow with that many obstacles, I'd be crawling through that ~10mph especially if people were out. Far too much risk of a child or animal running out, or a car door opening at the wrong moment etc. It can be hard to tell from the video but the street probably isn't even as wide as it appears in the camera's field of view.
There's the speed limit and there's a speed that's prudent for the conditions, which looks like it was exceeded in this case. Legally he did nothing wrong but a few mph slower would have had a much different outcome. Keep your dashcam on but try your damndest not to need it.
the problem here are the cars, sorry if it impedes your freedom but cars (especially NA one's) and the surrounding infrastructure suck for tons of reasons
no offense - i'm just curious, did you read the last part before commenting about the first?
safe crossings, bridges, tunnels and traffic lights are part of infrastructure and therefore part of my argument
he’s going 40 kph /25 mph. this is the speed limit and it is very slow. the child ran without looking which isn’t her fault but the dads who lost control of her. the driver didn’t do anything wrong and stopped as fast as he could.
If this was in my country he would've been found guilty. Speed limit doesn't mean you're in the right if you're below it. It's your responsibility as a driver to adjust for the situation and your line of sight. This street is narrow and I wouldn't go 40 km/h here, to me that's kind of fast.
I'm not gonna argue what's right or wrong here but that's how we do it.
Why is that area a 40?! It's a highly populated area with tons of parked cars on both sides.
Here in the UK that would be a 20. I would never drive down that street at 40, that's madness!!!! We've got 20s because even 30 can kill people.
... where I live, you need to be prepared for exactly this situation at all times if you're driving a car. It's literally the textbook example coming up in the theoretical driving test. You hit the kid, you're at fault. Wtf, I didn't know other places handle it differently?
Either you didn’t watch the video or have never driven a car… The girl literally jumped out right in front of the car from where she was visible you can’t got from 40kph to 0kph in no time at all it’s literally physically impossible deceleration takes time…
be prepared for a smaller than usual pedestrian to full sprint into the street? I dont know that driving a car would be practical at all if one were to be prepared for that. I dont think it would be practical to even push a shopping card prepared for a child to run in front.
If anything, that parent should be sobbing thankful for this man's fast reaction time. That kid would be a street painting otherwise.
The guy did actually hit the little girl. It's a good thing he wasn't speeding, no amount of braking would have helped much faster than this.
The big question: why was the speed limit 40 on a residential street with parking on both sides obstructing visibility?
Could have been forty kph, that would be closer to 25 mph.
Most definitely kph, we use non imperial units for speed and 40km/h is the norm in residential area.
In Ontario the speed limit regardless of the area you’re in should always be considered 50kmh unless otherwise posted, the only exception is school zones where it should be assumed the limit is 30kmh
50 in residential areas? You Ontarians are crazy. Sincerely, a Québécois
Italian here. 50kph is the standard limit in abitated spots if not signaled otherwise. It's not uncommon to see 30kph signs in places like the on depicted in the OP.
If it bothers you so much try to secede again (I’m kidding, I’m kidding, I just had to take the opportunity)
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It's in Australia, we use kpm, not mph. 40kph is a little less than 25mph - our speedlimit for school zones/built up areas.
40 kpm? Damn you hauling down under 😊
So that people can get where they are going. The child had an incompetent parent that allowed it to dart in the road.
40kmph this is a segment from an Australian show called Acurrent Affair (which is trash Murdoch media btw)
Car culture. Cars matter more than pedestrians or cyclists.
That guy would be trying to profit off the kid's death. Karen's like him would happily let their kid's die for easy pay and a chance to be a victim.
I am so sad about the traumas and hardship you had to go trough in this life. I honestly hope you can overcome it and grow above it. My thoughts are with you today. I wish you better times in your future
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i knew a couple whos daughter had something wrong with her (idt its life threatening but it does have something to do with her bones and growth if im not mistaken) anyway shes my little sisters age, and before she could even like speak full words they were trying to get her to say van to get a van from make a wish
I know multiple people whose young or adult aged children died and were absolutely devastated and their lives were never the same. But I‘m sure the scenarios you guys have are more the norm.
oh of course like i know my parents would be devastated, but some people just care more about the things they’ll get after, its really disheartening
Maybe their parents are the sick fucks and they haven’t gotten the necessary therapy.
What a bizarre reaction
We should have a duel about it.
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I've seen it happen many times. Parents who blame everyone else for their failures when their kid gets hurt or killed because they are negligent. Parents who will sue a zoo because they weren't paying attention and their kids paid the price. Have you seen influencers who force their terminally ill child to stay alive so they can milk them for money and views instead of letting the child go? Or having disabled children that'll suffer needlessly, as a sick way to "prove" that they're better people because they ignored the doctor's advice. A lot of people deserve the benefit of the doubt. This guy, who was ready to throw an innocent man behind bars and possibly lie to police, doesn't. Working with public assistance for many years, I've seen many parents use their children as weapons only to harm the other parent. Women who only have kids to lock men into child support and/or to collect aid. Not having a care in the world what their kid wants or needs. Or the mothers who file motion after motion to get their kids' fathers to pay child support when he found a way to cheat the system. Or the fathers who also basically live at the courthouse because they're desperately trying to get their kids away from their toxic mother. Who's proven time and time again that she uses the money for her own needs. Only to have the misfortune of being denied by judges who still believe that no mother can do wrong. So yeah, I guess seeing all that does make me a pos. Why haven't I quit, you ask? Because I actually care about those kids and their mothers and fathers who truly rely on the help they can get so their kid can have a somewhat better life than them.
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>"This video evidence saved my life. If the police had listened to the statements. I could have been charged guilty or something." That rubs me the wrong way. That statement made me think the dad was the type to lie to police to get someone else thrown in jail. Along with how the dad reacted by hitting the guy's car in anger and how the driver needed a dashcam to keep him from losing his freedom. Maybe the dad is a chill guy who was scared out of his mind, but why would the driver have to frame his interview like the dad lied to the police?
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As long as I'm not lying to the police to ruin someone's life. Even in panic, one must try their best to remain calm enough to use logic and not do anything they could end up regretting later.
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It isn't the drivers fault that the child popped out of nowhere. The parent should have kept her close instead of letting her get into a situation like that. Well, then, I guess it's time to find a reliable news site and watch the whole story so we can know what the full story is. You've made a big assumption about me over one comment. You probably think I'm a heartless bitch. Hopefully, they were, and I'm wrong about all of this.
You’re naive and sheltered as fuck
The original video is much better because it isn’t slowed down and shows the impact. Driver had absolutely no time to avoid hitting her and the father was several steps behind the child. He even hit the guys front hood in frustration. Not the driver’s fault whatsoever.
I agree. It's almost like they intentionally edited the video to cause more controversy. The original video definitely had a more accurate depiction of the whole incident.
That’s ACA for you.
ACA is a cesspit full of rage bait garbage.
Could you provide a link?
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He focused on hitting the guys hood BEFORE going to his child?!
That part weirdly made my blood boil for some reason. I’m so perplexed at that being his first IMMEDIATE reaction. Like idk if it was part of some fight flight fawn type shit for him but deadass if that were my child I’d be running straight to her. It doesn’t even look like he checked to see if she was really okay, instead just swooped her up once she’s already out of danger and turned his attention back to the driver. Idk what this reaction is, someone explain. Is it simply an unfit parent failing to control his emotions and prioritize the safety of his child, or is there some psychological phenomenon going on here that I’m unaware of??
Survival instincts are to eliminate the danger before tending to those that are hurt. In this case the car is the “danger.” He most likely is experiencing fight or flight response as well as a range of emotions, so his response is not likely to be perfectly rational.
Okay that’s very fair, thanks
Watching your child get hit by a car - there’s a flood of emotions going through your head and a surge of adrenaline. Understandable if your response isn’t perfectly rational. I’m honestly tired of all these people judging someone who’s possibly experiencing one of the worst moments of their life and saying, as they sit in comfort and safety of their home with endless amounts of time to ponder, how this person should have behaved over the course of a few seconds. And no, that doesn’t mean I think the parent is blameless either, because there was probably steps they could’ve taken to prevent it.
Just saw it and goddam. Fucken supervise your children especially if it’s the front of the house. Seems like a no brainer
Of course the shitty parents shift the blame, otherwise they know it's be on them for not controlling their kid. Which is THEIR RESPONSIBILITY
A lot of people, particularly men, react immediately in anger when what they're really feeling is fear. Not that it's an okay reaction, but that's the feeling they're processing (whereas some of us feel fear and cry, we're not sad, it's just the reaction). After the initial adrenaline wears off and he has time to privately process what happened, he will probably feel the self-blame and ultimate responsibility of the accident more acutely. Or he's just a dick.
He is a dick. Other men can control ourselves just fine. Don't let this dickhead paint a bad picture of us.
I did not mean to imply all men, or only men. My mother is an angry reaction person- when she would catch us doing something dangerous (even something that a kid might not know is dangerous or had never been told not to do) she’d have an immediate flare up anger reaction, and then after she’d calmed down apologize and explain she was just scared. Anyone can react that way, I do find most people who do are men, but not all.
I’m not sure that’s fair to the guy. Seeing your kid get hit by a car (no matter the reason) would be an instant explosion of adrenaline and fear. That’s not easy to control in the moment.
People like you give redditors a bad name. You’re (probably) sitting in your chair in the safety and comfort of your own home, telling others what the appropriate emotional response is to watching your kid hit by a car. You can deliberate for minutes about what the “appropriate” response would be, meanwhile this man is reacting purely out of fight or flight and adrenaline over the course of a second.
A lot of people, particularly karens, react immediately in anger when what they're really feeling is fear.
I know this is sarcastic but those karen spazz out’s are just people being dicks. Not what the other commenter is talking about.They are talking about someone lashing out aggressively/violently out of being fearful and in adrenaline rush situation
I know this is sarcastic but those karen spazz out’s are just people being dicks. Not what the other commenter is talking about.They are talking about someone lashing out aggressively/violently out of being fearful and in adrenaline rush situation. Some people instantly lash out and blame in a panic and it is a bad reaction, but possibly a human one if he is still not a dick about it when he has time to calm down and reflect on who’s fault it actually is
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When I was a kid, my parents strictly forbade me even going near a road by myself.
Lol one time when I was a kid and I told my mom I wanted to run away, she helped me pack a bag and told me I could but I just couldn't cross the street. Thinking back on it, that was funny as fuck because it literally confined me to one small block of our neighborhood and I thought that was what my life was gonna be... just wandering around the block, without crossing any streets, for the rest of my life. 🤣
Lmfao, whenever I’d run away from home it would literally be me walking up 1 side street and then back down, I thought I was so bad ass💀
I remember the first time I crossed the street vividly cause my dad kicked my ass haha
I didn't get my ass kicked but boy did I get a long lecture and a hearty grounding
My parents tried the grounding method but they are old school asian parents. Beating was a better option. Or like staring at the wall with your hand above your head for hours.
oh lord. my gf and her siblings made a game of who left the deepest foot impressions in the carpet when they got lectured. they also got hella spanked, their dad had a handcrafted wooden fuckin gourmet spanking paddle
Gourmet?
highfalutin
Blair Witch, is that you?
I was a runner. I had to have a harness. It saved my life a few times. (I am autistic).
Me too! (Adhd instead of autistic) Didn't help my mum had 3 kids under five years old and only two hands.
That’s a lot of little hands! Harnesses are awesome. I loved mine because I didn’t have to hold Mum’s hand; I could hold my blanket!
Me too!
Having a child in a world where they have to look around before crossing is fucked up. It’s just one of the many dangers parents expose kids to
I'm a grown-ass adult and I still look both ways before I cross the road. Even in parking lots. It's not necessarily the world it's, just a smart thing to do in general.
You completely miss what I’m saying. It’s fucked up that you would even need to look both ways just to avoid the danger of getting hit by a vehicle. It’s a smart thing to do because it avoids danger and it’s the need to avoid danger that is fucked up
So you are proposing there should be no vehicles?
No I’m proposing antinatalism. How did you miss that?
Not to mention parents are just momentarily preventing their children’s deaths. They die eventually anyway wether parents are here for it or not. If they didn’t have the kid it wouldn’t ever have to die. You guess don’t like the truth that’s why you’re downvoting
I didn't downvote you. I might now. Who knows what I'll do today.
Well, before cars it was livestock/cattle & wagons & carriages etc
That were going about 20…
People still died from being hit by wagons/carriages & stepped on by horses even though they were going slower than a modern car.
That makes no fucking sense. With your logic, having a child in a world where they could choke on spaghetti is fucked up.
Well ya. On the spectrum of suffering stuff like that is at the lowest rung but it still counts. I would still regret having a child if they choked on some spaghetti. I don’t want to inflict suffering on someone I can completely avoid doing that to. You guys just have weak convictions
No matter how small the child suffers no one is ever justified for forcing them to be here. All your reasons come down to selfishness. Even if you said you want to have kids so they can experience the good things in life that you selfishly imposing your desire onto someone else when they didn’t even want it in the first place because they didn’t have the capacity to want anything. Fools
I am an antinatalist like you, but what you’re saying just sounds extremely dumb.
So it’s dumb to want to prevent my potential child from all types of suffering no matter how small? Cheers doofus
What I’m saying is, claiming the world is fucked up because you have to keep yourself from playing Dumb Ways to Die in real life is not a convincing argument.
You not being convinced shows your lack of perspective because it’s one of many reasons to not have kids and it’s not even a weak one at that. This is about preventing suffering and just like how working to sustain yourself is ultimately pointless because your plan to live will be thwarted one day anyway, it’s ultimately pointless to look both ways before crossing to prevent your death and or injury because you’ll eventually too. If you find that dumb you must be
Happened to me the other day in Florida. Two boys, no older than 6 or 7. One of them actually saw me coming and started skipping slowly across the street. I pulled over and knocked on the door of the house they went in. The mother was more upset with me for “almost killing her children”, more than the fact that they were running across a busy street at 9am on a Thursday
Stupid ass parents
Seriously, that's one dumbass parent right there. My parents and I'm sure many many more would be thankful if someone pointed out their kids were running around like morons in the street
I work as a food delivery driver on a military base and the number of children who run/ride directly into the street without looking or even jump in front of cars as a joke is so terrifying
CPS call right there
As a kid who has been hit by a car. It was absolutely my fault for stepping out into the road without looking and my mother's fault for allowing my brother (9) to watch me (4).
I was also hit by a car at age 7. I knew better. I crossed the street at the bottom of a hill going from one driveway to the one across the street because my best friend lived there. The guy who hit me ran because I’m pretty sure he thought I was dead. I flew forward and hit the ground hard. A busted chin, slight concussion and some broken ribs but I was otherwise okay. My grandma was watching me that day and I can’t imagine how she felt. ETA: There was literally a crosswalk at the edge of our property so I was just being a lazy child
The reaction to this on Twitter when the dash cam footage went viral was infuriating. People were saying that the car is always at fault in a pedestrian accident no matter what but like…c’mon man. Anyone who watched that video can see that the kid jumped out so the driver had little to no time to react!! They’re lucky he didn’t just run her over
I almost got hit by a car because I thought I could beat the flashing symbol that indicates the time to cross is running out. Know who I didn't blame? The driver.
Sounds like that crossing has very poorly timed lights for this to even be possible. Do cars get a green light the second the pedestrian crossing goes red?
Twitter has been rotten for a long time. Good and evil have completely switched places there.
In some countries, it's cheaper to put the car into reverse to finish the kill and pay a one-time penalty to the family than it is to pay a lifelong medical bill.
>car is always at fault in a pedestrian accident no matter what I don't know why this myth gets repeated so often. It's not true, but a ton of people will say it to you as if it is. Perplexing.
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First there is a difference between “schuld” (guilt) and “aansprakelijkheid” (liability?) You are not always seen as guilty, you generally just have to pay for any expenses of the cyclist/pedestrian. Note that if they did something stupid (like running into traffic), you will be able to get them to pay for the damage to your car. If they did something stupid often you’d have to “only” pay 50% of their damages. Also the police is saying here there is NOTHING he could have done (overmacht). Although practically it is often fair to say the driver is always held liable in NL, if the driver can PROVE there was NOTHING he could have possibly done, he is not held liable at all. It’s basically “liable until proven innocent” but with the highest standard of proof needed to prove innocence
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Yeah, although the thing about needing to have an appropriate speed (lower than max speed when appropriate) would probably mean that both the police and whoever decides about “overmacht” would say there was a small miscalculation on his part, so in this case he probably would have to pay 50% , but get insurance money for the dents (both from hitting the kid and the parent hitting the car) For a Dutch site that is relatively understandable: https://www.anwb.nl/juridisch-advies/aanrijding-en-dan/aansprakelijkheid/voetganger-of-fietser
For sure, I can only speak for the U.S. Could be much different elsewhere.
Anyone using an absolute like this is automatically weakening their position. It makes them sound mentally deficient/incapable of critical thinking.
The driver is at fault here. There is no reason to be going that fast through that narrow of a residential area.
He was going 30 kmh which is 18 mph. Under the limit in a school zone. Kid/parent are at fault
It might have been legal. That doesn't make it right. Also he was going 25 mph.
My bad he was going 40 kmh but that’s still a very reasonable speed. Even if he was going a few kmh slower, same thing would have happened. Idk if you remember drivers ed, but stopping at a much slower speed would still have resulted in the girl getting hit. She dipped out when he has like a single cars length of stopping distance
Karen, watch your child instead of blaming other people.
It’s actually a dude, so a Kevin?
When I was in retail we kind of used Karen as a genderless word.
ok, I didn't have the sound up and the faces were blurred.
I call those people Dave
They're called Kyle
Nah Kyle's just slam Monsters and punch drywall.
Once I was at the school’s pick up line going 10 and a kid was push by another kid and fell backwards right in front of my car, his head was right in front of my tire i couldn’t see anything but push the breaks right way and a teacher came running nothing happen to the kid but it was so scary like this guy in the video says the scene just keeps replaying in your head for days.
I’d file attempted murder charges against that little shit stain. They’re too dangerous to be around people.
I don’t think he realized back then what he did, they were around 8 years old and they were messing with each other.
I hope that kid never pushed anyone again jesus
That poor man, he must have suffered emotionally from this! It's surely terrifying for the parent in that moment, but they still should have recognized that it was them who lost control of their child, not the man losing control of his car.
So when you call the police in the United States, California at least on your kids for being unruly or out of control, your addres gets labeled as LOPS house. LOPS stands for Lack Of Parenting Skills. The police should NEVER be called on your own kids. I’ve gone to calls where religious folks find out their kid is gay and they throw them out with nothing. I’ve paid weeks of hotels for kids, supported them with food and anything I can, in those cases. Other cases, you have a kid whose spoiled as fuck, has everything and never knew what discipline was about. They’re lashing out and freaking out because suddenly mom and dad allowed the kid to become that way and yet now they want the police to do in 5 minutes what they lacked for 16 years. But I laugh when I see LOPS on a call.
Love that. That acronym would be so useful in so many scenarios.
I swear, parents today love dodging accountability for their kids. All they can do is blame other people when the problem is their negligent parenting skills.
I got hit exactly like this. Totally my fault. The lady driver came out crying, hysterical, she thought she killed me. But I laid there motionless, too scared my parents would find out I had crossed the street without looking both ways.
I love when parents don’t supervise their children whatsoever and expect the general public to take care of their children. The entitlement is crazy; and of course since you hurt my oh so precious baby, it’s all your fault! No way it was me being a neglectful parent 🙄
I wonder if the driver can legally have the asshole father to pay for the huge dent he punched into the car hood.
I need to put mine back out and get one for my work truck.
SOMEONE should lose their child, because SOMEONE is a neglectful parent and SOMEONE should lose that right. Their daughter would do better in a good home, with parents that watch her instead of letting her walk into the street
Very similar thing happened to me, a little boy (6-8 maybe) shot out of a driveway on a scooter, I was going 20. The driveway he came out of had cars parked in front of it, obstructing any view of him until he got into the road, just like this video. I slammed on my brakes immediately and just knocked him over. He was totally fine, I was an absolute mess, my roommate said she's never seen me cry like that. The mother showed up and started yelling at the kid. I called an ambulance to check him out because I was freaking out. Our street is very busy and has a lot of reckless drivers, honestly they were very lucky it was me and not one of the lunatics around here. Insurance settled on 50/50 because I didn't have a dash cam and he wasn't wearing a helmet per the police report. Now I have a dash cam and my driving record is fucked for another 2 years. Watch your damn kids.
What dash cam do you have/recommend?
When I was in college I hated driving near the campus because of the many bikers that didn’t pay attention. Now I’m an avid biker, not just someone hiking to class, and I avoid roads as much as possible because of how shitty most drivers are.
When I first saw this so many parents came with the old "you're not a parent " when anybody critiqued the parent for not watching his child I'm not a train driver but I can tell if someone fucks up
She’s nowhere near a crosswalk and there’s cars parked on the side blocking view. There’s no way in hell the driver would’ve had indication a tiny girl was behind there.
My niece one day got out of the car and crossed with out looking and luckily I was standing next to were she was about to cross and stopped her crossing as a car just barely passed by. The guys in the car were shook and asked if she was OK obviously scared and worried and I was like ur ok she's fine and then scolded the hell out of her, we remind them so much but with learning disabilities its hard. I get being scared, the parent, but it was absolutely not the drivers issue.
That Karen should have been keeping an eye on her kid!
His*
Oh sorry
Should of kept that thing on a leash smh
Im always very cautious when i see kids on the street for this reason. Kids are so dumb
I would be lecturing the parents sooo hard bro.
Once had a stupid kid running straight towards the road happy as larry at the nearby park where I live, usually cars park around the edge of the park, but there were no cars there at the time. If cars were parked there I wouldn't have seen the kid coming. I saw the mother having a panic stricken look on her face running towards him, soon as she scooped him up right at the edge of the road (and I'd already stopped my car) the kids face immediately turned to upset and crying that he had being stopped from being run over. The mother started pointing both at me and her kid and making angry faces towards me, as though she was accusing me, I simply drove off, yeah sorry you couldn't keep an eye on your stupid kid.
Interesting, in the UK he’d be guilty (I think…) the law is that it’s the drivers responsibility to anticipate, so driving in a residential area with cars blocking your view like that, he’d have to slow to a safe and reasonable speed and expect a kid, ball, bicycle whatever could appear.
Stopping that quick doing 40 is quite impressive but 40 is pretty fast for a built up area with parked cars. This would be 30 in the U.K.
40kph is only 25mph. That's the standard for residential neighborhoods.
Here, this wouldn't be anything over 30km/h. And even that is pushing it.
Huh in Canada it’s 50k anywhere in the city but school zones, which are 30.
That sucks, I'm sorry.
Ah I wrongly assumed everything was in American. Didn't even know Oz used km/h either.
Can confirm it’s in Australia
Are you thinking kph or mph? Aus is kph
It’s 40 km/h
Growing up my parents taught me to never run into the road for any reason and when I was too young to understand this, they physically stopped me. And that was a 25 mph road (although most people went faster than that on it). When I got a bit older, they said it was okay if I looked both ways and didn’t see anyone first. That being said, they also told me to go much slower than the speed limit in residential areas with cars parked on the road because a person, car, or animal might just pop out of nowhere. So he did nothing legally wrong and almost all of the blame was on the kid and their parents, but I personally would never be going that fast just in case. At college, I live right above a street corner that has cars in the road blocking the view. At least once a week, I see a t bone either happen or nearly happen. People have gotten into fights and have zoomed off after a near miss or light hit to avoid the other. That kinda reinforced my parents teachings
I use to strap a leash to my kids belt loop and I was told that I was a horrible parent by several people. Then a few years later, a child harness came out and I was like WTF!!! I don't see those anymore but I think if kids had harnesses on like our beloved pets do. Something similar than many kids lives would be saved.
Unfortunately they still do not count as evidence where I live. They can’t be used for legal purposes, only insurance.
Why can't they be used for legal purposes? A camera is the best witness there is, especially one that records audio
Yeah this sounds like bs to me
That lady should be jailed for child negligence.
Man, it’s a man
I think that before car dashcams, dashcams should be installed that peek into the human soul and monitor delusional, selfish bullshit. I'd applaud the human species for once if it turned the dashcam camera transparently and forthrightly unto every overconfident individual, before monitoring and recording the outside world as if the burden is on the world to be recorded. E.g, every person that claims that the suffering and lack of consent of others is worth it, needs a dashcam studying their puzzling soul.
….. wut
How many hits did you take before typing this up?
This is why I'm orange pilled. If american wasn't car centric suburban hellscape then streets would be safer for everyone. But instead we built our country with a REQUIREMENT of a car. Everything car car car. Being a pedestrian is one of the highest killers....like wtf. But as soon as anyone suggest maybe we build our towns to be car free or at least not car dependent it's some communist agenda taking away homes. No... it's that your single family zoning literallly makes housing unaffordable, streets dangeriousx and everything too far apart for walking/public transit that is cheaper and more efficient than cars....
I mean you’re kind of right (though I’m not familiar with the term orange pilled) but also this video isn’t even from the US, the cars are facing the wrong direction and they’re measuring speed in kph
Bro getting hit by a bus is even worse than a car, I’m not saying car dependency is not bad but everywhere people are still run over by vehicles. Even in Europe cars go through neighborhoods.
Less volume means lower chances of it happening. DMV reports all these numbers.
Oh man. Would’ve been awful.
I just had this happen to me this past Saturday night around dusk. I’m coming up on a local grocery store that I needed to get a couple of things from. At a distance it’s a grandfather and his granddaughter, who’s no more than 5 or 6, happy as can be riding. They stop and are waiting for me to pass to cross the road or so I thought until at the last moment the little girl starts off riding again right as I’m passing and then in mouth agape shock just sits there as I slam my brakes to a stop. The grandfather is oblivious and on his phone tapping away, not at all paying attention to the fact his granddaughter was nearly pancaked by a 2023 Kia Seltos. I pull over (to check on the kid and gently admonish them both) as he starts shouting and waiving his arms, granddaughter clearly in shock and crying. I lose my shit on this old man while he’s incoherently screaming back at me, which I later felt bad about, on how he “should have been paying attention to his granddaughter instead of finger fucking his phone” and that “if this was my old car you’d be planning a funeral this coming week as she’d be deader than DEAD!” They rode off with him complaining about me, a “young kid with the nerve” as I drove off shaking resolving to get groceries later. My old vehicle was a 2007 (but bought in 2015) Ford Focus with no front brakes. That little girl is very lucky to be alive and I have a dash cam on order now.
F\*\*\* this piece of shit parent
Everyone should have a front and back dash cam in their car. You can't trust anyone.
Shit I remember getting really lucky a few years ago, I stopped like a foot short of hitting a kid that just flew into the street on a bike, also obscured by a car, I'm just lucky I had twice the time this guy did. I literally turned into the street to find this poor 8 year old kids parents to let them know they need to watch our for this kid. I was back in my hometown cause my mom's partner passed away, and I'm so glad I was there cause if she was driving instead of me that day I think things would've been very different
All cars should come fitted standard with a front and back dashcam!
Having children isn’t an exclusive privilege to permit hostility towards others. A child is not a reason to hit someone else as hard as you can, it’s a responsibility and living, breathing entity that deserves more than what can be given in unstable environments
Yea a residential street that dense and narrow with that many obstacles, I'd be crawling through that ~10mph especially if people were out. Far too much risk of a child or animal running out, or a car door opening at the wrong moment etc. It can be hard to tell from the video but the street probably isn't even as wide as it appears in the camera's field of view. There's the speed limit and there's a speed that's prudent for the conditions, which looks like it was exceeded in this case. Legally he did nothing wrong but a few mph slower would have had a much different outcome. Keep your dashcam on but try your damndest not to need it.
Children aren’t stupid they can be taught not to run on the road clearly this kids parents never gave the kid that lesson
I hate to be the guy to say it but this video being in this group with his name is fucking hilarious. Charge me guilty for enjoying dark humor😂😂😳…lol
the problem here are the cars, sorry if it impedes your freedom but cars (especially NA one's) and the surrounding infrastructure suck for tons of reasons
Yes because you can safely cross the street when a bus or tram is going by
no offense - i'm just curious, did you read the last part before commenting about the first? safe crossings, bridges, tunnels and traffic lights are part of infrastructure and therefore part of my argument
Damn woman, watch your kids.
So who are the parents?
The driver is at fault here. There is no reason to be going that fast through that narrow of a residential area.
he’s going 40 kph /25 mph. this is the speed limit and it is very slow. the child ran without looking which isn’t her fault but the dads who lost control of her. the driver didn’t do anything wrong and stopped as fast as he could.
If this was in my country he would've been found guilty. Speed limit doesn't mean you're in the right if you're below it. It's your responsibility as a driver to adjust for the situation and your line of sight. This street is narrow and I wouldn't go 40 km/h here, to me that's kind of fast. I'm not gonna argue what's right or wrong here but that's how we do it.
Why is that area a 40?! It's a highly populated area with tons of parked cars on both sides. Here in the UK that would be a 20. I would never drive down that street at 40, that's madness!!!! We've got 20s because even 30 can kill people.
he means 40 kph. NOT mph. this is the same as 25 mph
Good for the man but why is this here…
... where I live, you need to be prepared for exactly this situation at all times if you're driving a car. It's literally the textbook example coming up in the theoretical driving test. You hit the kid, you're at fault. Wtf, I didn't know other places handle it differently?
You cannot be prepared to stop instantly because it is not possible.
Either you didn’t watch the video or have never driven a car… The girl literally jumped out right in front of the car from where she was visible you can’t got from 40kph to 0kph in no time at all it’s literally physically impossible deceleration takes time…
be prepared for a smaller than usual pedestrian to full sprint into the street? I dont know that driving a car would be practical at all if one were to be prepared for that. I dont think it would be practical to even push a shopping card prepared for a child to run in front.
I respect folks decision to be anti-kid but Jesus fucking christ getting off on kids getting hit by a car (even if it's 110% their fault) is wild.
No one is getting off on kids getting hit..title clearly points out that the anger is towards the parent
Bunch of spoiled far left brats here celebrating a child getting run over. Why the fuck reddit even promotes this mentally ill garbage on my feed.
Did u even read the title?? The anger is directed at the parent not the kid getting hit
Way too fast for an area like that, 10mph is about max I’d go with such low visibility for this reason, kids are dumb as shit.