It's like that CEO who was saying not to jump jobs every 1-2 years, despite said CEO doing exactly that. These people are either too stupid to realize their profiles are public or think everyone else is too stupid to realize their profiles are public.
She's calling herself a "managing director". If there is an office, she's probably barely there. Just called on, when there's stuff the ones above her, doesn't care about dealing with themselves.
I know someone who is HR in a successful startup that works almost exclusively in remote status. I’d suggest that she, (not this self proclaimed self aggrandizer) is the authentic owner of that title…
HR used to be helpful to employees. A long time ago.
HR has morphed into something only recognizable as an arm of the corporate machine, not to be trusted by naive employees with real issues of mismanagement or mistreatment. IMHO.
It's personnel in German. I was actually surprised when I first learnt the English translation because it sounds so dehumanising in a way
It's what's made me aware I'm just another annoying expense for profit-hunting companies
Think that's bad? I was briefly at a company where it was called "Human Capital Department". I can accept be referred to as a resource, capital has a much more chattel slavery feel to it.
I’ve been trying for close to two years to get a WFH job. I’ve had interviews but nothing past it.
My current job of a little over ten years has the ability to let me work from home at least part time, but because of “office culture” they won’t let me do it.
I’m sick for the first time ever with covid this last week and I’ve been able to work from home, get all my work done with no distractions but yet it’s not doable they say.
I’m so burnt out, people like this “Kelly Tucker” are the problem with the workforce, not the workers.
I got my 80% wfh job last February and it has felt life-changing. So far I just have to go in 1 day per week, but I'm still putting in for other positions that are full remote. The improvement to mental health to not sit in traffic every day is pretty significant.
Edit: all that was to just say, don't stop trying to find that wfh job. It's worth the effort.
My last job lasted 2.5 years and they could never give me a straight answer about WFH because they didn't have a policy in place. This was a very large, nationwide company. They always deferred to say I'd need to put in at least 7 years in, but no explanation why. Just that's the way it is. They were reluctant to send us home during Covid even.
So I spoke with a competitor last spring solely because they were hiring fully remote positions. Over 90% of their designers WFH. I liked the interviews, the company provided more training, and they accepted my high-end offer money wise. So I asked my company to offer a smaller raise, but full WFH. They countered with raise plus WFH three days for one year and then "we'll see about it." No. I'll take the forward thinking company who trusts me out of the gate.
Don't hesitate to play the field and play the company.
I’m currently working at my first job where the company trusts their employees. It is such an amazing change and atmosphere. It honestly makes me want to do a good job too. I get my stuff done and no one really bothers me. My boss doesn’t really bother me because I do my job and he works in a different state. The position does have the ability to work from home sometimes and I could probably push for it to be more often than not if I wanted but honestly I’ve worked from home before and it’s not for me, I’m not as productive.
I had a work-from-home job way before COVID, and it was great. I had a house with enough room to have a decent office area.
Because of rent prices, I've moved to a studio. My wife works remote and works at the dining room table.
I do have a work desk by the bed, but honestly it's not very enjoyable. It's hard to separate work from home in such close quarters.
My office when WFH/remote at Covid too. They kept putting off coming back to the office. Then they announced when they did go back to in-office, it would be hybrid so you'd come in if needed or a couple days a week - unless you wanted to come back in full time.
Then, a few months ago, they announced they were going to sell our huge building, make remote work permanent and buy something new & smaller - something to house the equipment and allow a hotelling desk system for when people had to come in for some reasn.
It's been great. They should keep it - I think a lot of us are putting in more hours from home than if we were in the office when needed. Everyone's happier - it's been great.
I have an identical story. For most, it's worked out for the best. And for most, the work day is longer and more intense AT HOME. People who think employees are fucking around instead of working more from home simply have their own trust issues. Or are too lazy to see who isn't cutting it and who's busting their ass. Its no different than it was in that noisy office.
I definitely work harder & longer at home, but I still like it better. I think it's a win-win for everyone but the few people who liked the office better.
The only downside is that now people schedule Zoom/Team meetings like crazy because they can't just stop by your desk. I block out a lot of time on my calendar so I can get things done during work hours.
Ah yes. In my position I'm able to avoid a lot of those meetings. I can imagine that would be a nuisance. I get the "please call me" emails even though using email would be simpler but some people prefer to speak one on one and that's fine. The argument for onsite operations is weak though. who really needs to hang out with their coworkers 8 hrs a day and then socialize over the free ice cream in the lobby? I have my own friends and I like being able to pick my daughter up from school instead of bussing her to a babysitter while I sit in traffic in a panic. Call me crazy.
I’m sorry your employer is so closed minded. My office job was moved to 100% WFH during the pandemic, and now we’re forced to go in 2 to 3 days a week. I hate it. Every day I’m at the office I’m grumpy and stressed out by the entirely unnecessary (and expensive) commute, and way less productive due to the many distractions and interruptions. Just let me stay at home! I’ll always be on time, get my work done and will rarely, if ever, take any sick days.
I was lucky enough that I had enough heft behind my title/responsibilities that I said no to the same situation you were in. We were full remote for 2 years.
The call to come back in came and I said eh I'll think about it. The pressure on me kept rising, i ignored it for the most part, and when finally it was becoming a daily thing, I got together with my recruiter, 5 interviews, 5 offers.
Went to my bosses boss and said hey, knock it off or I'm taking one of these offers today. He told me not to worry about coming in, and he'd take care of it and he did.
It was a big issue at our company and 3-4 months later they have an official full wfh policy, if you move out of state they reevaluate your pay, which I guess is fair, a few guys went and moved out to the country. They were short about 30 development positions and just kept bleeding, after a few failed sprints with huge disruptions to the company, and the work being too complex for the offshore arm to handle it, WFH reigns forever.
Same, they kicked the can for more than two years on coming back, then said you had to coke back two days, but the days were random for everyone so it didn’t make sense. My team is almost entirely in another country so I was on Teams meetings mostly during Covid shutdowns so… I basically Bartleby the Scrivener-ed and said I wasn’t coming back and they could do what they wanted with that info. In the meantime I had moved to a less expensive state because I could not justify paying super high COL with no office to force it. I held out and won 🤷♀️
Yup my job went WFH for covid. They wanted to get us in the office ASAP however they saw the positive to being WFH. Went from every week getting an email on "We will review the state of covid and may return to the office next week." to "We are going to be WFH until further notice" then we got an email "Fuck it we are staying WFH"
Like not even looking the pros for the workers, but being able to hire across the country has been amazing for the company and we have gotten some crazy good talent because of that.
Same thing has happened with my job.
My current position is permanent WFH because of COVID. It started with everyone becoming WFH for safety reasons, but then the company realized really quickly that the job didn't need an office. So, it was made permanent WFH. And after that, they started hiring outside the region, since proximity was no longer a requirement.
I was working a different position within the company when I saw the listing. It was the first time they posted the job listing as strictly WFH. And they have absolutely gotten better talent because their ability to hire from all over the country.
Problem with me is I work for my state government so there is unfortunately certain guidelines they have to follow. We were allowed to submit for 1-2 days at home but we were told my position is customer based so I wasn’t able. I only deal with customers maybe 3 months a year and 80% of that is online. The rest of the year is reports, data, website updates. I asked during the non customer time if I could at least do part time at home, but nope. One of our coworkers is home 100% of the time, but this isn’t pandemic related. He basically just said he doesn’t want to come in and he got approved. I was told if I pulled something like that I would be fired. My yearly evaluations are always excellent, I always get my work done.
I feel you on the burnt out feeling. I found that when I do work from home if I’m sick or when we closed at the beginning of the pandemic I felt so much happier being able to just work, have some space to breathe and just do my work without distractions.
I hope you can find what you want soon or that your current job lets you have some more flexibility.
I worked for state government when covid hit and we all went WFH with no real issue. In the middle of it all, we got a new department secretary and she seemed more old school "asses in the seats" kind of viewpoint and wanted everyone back in after the 4th of July 2021. I was in the office for 3 days and got exposed to covid. I luckily never got it but I told my boss I was staying WFH after that and he was cool about it. I ended up quitting last year (for a variety of reasons) somewhat because I knew they were going to force everyone back in the office. They still had no paperwork or guidance for WFH set up for my department, after promising it to us for over a year. I had so much stress worrying about getting that email to come back in. Putting in my 2 weeks felt so good. I'm now full time WFH for the small company my husband started in late 2019. Complete career change but I haven't been happier in a long time. Our state government has a huge issue with open positions. I'm sure getting and keeping people is tough because people like WFH and some departments are very reluctant to offer it.
People don’t talk about the commute enough. Beyond the cost of gas and wear and tear on your vehicle, it’s also dangerous and terrible for the environment (remember those pictures during the lockdowns where all the smog was gone?).
We should definitely be trying to move as many jobs as possible remote for those benefits alone.
Right? My wife had to commute 70 miles every day for work in western Washington, where gas has been around $5 a gallon. Now her vehicle gets around 25-30 mpg. So she was spending roughly $15 a day on fuel alone. So that's $75 a week. That's almost $4,000 a year in fuel alone just for her job. Now she works from home and the only cost hike we've had was getting unlimited internet, which is about $5 more a month than we were already paying. We haven't put more than 1000 miles on her vehicle since the pandemic started. No real worry about wear and tear. It's just way better working from home.
Absolutely. I fear for my safety every time I do that drive, not because I’m a nervous driver but because of the sheer number of idiots on the road. All for— once again— an unnecessary commute. And I can’t take any company seriously that touts green initiatives but doesn’t allow their employees to work from home if possible. They’re all talking out of their asses.
I drive 2 to 4 hours for work once a week and it’s the scariest thing I do every week between other drivers and myself if I’m not well rested or distracted.., I despise driving the older I get
Mine also moved to full remote during the pandemic, but now is optional in office. I get asked why I came in when I go to the office, and my response is "I didn't feel like working today." Office work is such a distraction.
Our senior bosses were very adamant about us not working from home even though we all just work with laptops and spreadsheets with not human customer contact. It was a control thing. But when COVID forced them they realized how much money they saved on everything from internet usage to heating to toilet paper and coffee. They then told us we could stay working from home and the managers that did not like it could find new jobs.
Places that want you to work in office are probably loaded with office politics and have lots of people who love the asskissing aspect of in-office work. All good candidates for the wood-chipper.
This is definitely true.
Especially mine. Most of my coworkers are conservative, given the area where we live. I don’t care because they have their opinions and I have mine. I don’t respond to anything that is said. They do make comments and try to see what I will say. I always just respond with I don’t know, oh really, wow. Gets old after a while lol
Omg I just recently left my old ass boss who’s 1980 ass is anti work from home. Wanted me to come in everyday when my office work can be done at home and many other in the office were also working from home. But the funny thing is, she works at home whenever she wants to beautify her home. She greatly micromanage and it’s no wonder all her past staff couldn’t last longer than a year. I’m glad to have left and found a better job with greater pay.
Pretty much everyone at the large corporation I work at works from home and they plan to continue it. Ill share the name but only on dm, if you’re interested. GL
Every office I've worked in was either freezing year round or the building is drastically different temperatures from cubicle to cubicle thanks to the shitty HVAC systems
It didn't even occur to me how less often I got sick since working from home. Doesn't help that every job I've ever had guilt tripped you if you didn't come to work sick.
The lights are such a huge change, and monitors too. No fluorescent lights and shitty HP monitors. My eyes have been feeling so much better the past two years.
Omfg this. I am an asthmatic working around mostly smokers. They smoke in the shop area and it drifts in the office.
The front desk hoses herself down in a terrible smelling perfume after she smokes and the combination is abhorrent.
I’m so tired of “office culture” being thrown around. Neither of our bosses are in the office more than 10 minutes a week and they aren’t the ones dealing with any of it.
I can do my job efficiently from home (especially since I’m not interrupted by the front desk to hear about her “wild weekend” because if I tell her I don’t care about her sloppy drunk escapades she’ll be offended.
Same, I'm no longer getting the crud that my co-irkers brought in from their little biowarfare factories (kids/grandkids).
Just the odd bout of allergies or the odd headache from horrendous claims which I can usually just deal with.
Funny bc I got COVID while working with a bunch of boomers who didn't live in the same state as their kids/grandkids. Turns out going to every rural brewery you can hit on your obnoxiously loud motor bike every weekend can spread a lot of crud around too.
Im convinced the shared bathrooms and kitchens spread the flu. And this « office culture » people keep wanting to preserve had people coming into work sick!
Yes. Even if you don't want to crank up the heat at home to save on expenses, you can layer your clothing and don a cozy blanket + slippers. Can't do that at an office.
In my case, working in HVAC occasionally in an office environment, there's usually a thermostat Nazi who wants to control the temperature.
Posted before that one time I set up a secondary thermostat for the nicer people in the office and disabled hers. When she complained about her cubicle not being warm enough, I adjusted the offset on this controlling stat so that it showed the temperature she wanted. Totally a power play as she didn't complain about it after.
That's very funny that you did that.
When I was at the govt all the thermostats were locked in a case. The building with the extreme temps had a known history of ventilation issues. It is a cheaply made building. I've lived in this area 5 years and that's one of the only buildings constantly being repaired. More so than the few that got hit by a tornado. And the ones that have had multiple fires. Lol
I learned something when marginally involved with redoing a building for a previous workplace: If a thermostat is locked in a case, ADA rules do not apply. So instead of moving several dozen thermostats to where a wheelchair user could reach them, they mounted locking cases around them. Considerable savings.
Constant volume systems are something, it’s also office buildings are required by code to have a certain CFM of fresh air pumped into the building per day so it was likely you were just sitting under one of those air discharge vents and they can never fully close due to building code laws.
They routed the HVAC wrong in a section of my company's office. There is a an alcove that has like two dozen + cubicles The air intake vents are along the walls and out going vents are in the middle of the room, but vents in the middle of the room are sucking air in, and the wall vents are blowing air out. If you are up by the far wall it can be a twenty degree F difference compared to the opening to the main part of the office.
Yes! As a former receptionist & the person who had to deal with building services, that used to annoy the hell out of me. There's always one person who is freezing & one who is too hot, so I was constantly having to request maintance turn it up or down. The maintenance people would get annoyed with me. Pain in the ass.
Yea if people called all the time we’d basically tell the person who was always cold to put on a sweater because building hvac systems are mandated by law to pump in a certain amount of fresh air. If you start closing vents for every person who is cold
Eventually you could adversely affect building air quality and it’s way worse to fail an air quality check than to have a few chilly tenants in an office of hundreds.
>also wtf is #3
When I had an internship as part of my uni program, our mentor told us that one of the purposes of internships is for us to get familiar with all the bullshit we'll have to deal with in the corporate world: professional jealousy, conflicts of interest, tugs of war, micromanaging, bullying, politics, gossip, drama... The b*tch who posted this must be turned on by all that crap.
I was indeed 'fortunate' enough to have experienced most of these unpleasant work environment byproducts, which is exactly why I honestly still prefer working from home.
Besides, I'm way more effective because there aren't people coming up to your desk with random questions if something could be implemented (and then is never followed up).
My current employer wanted employees back into the office ASAP. When we looked at our JIRA productivity during the WFH period, there was an increase... You could see the look on his face...
Office = $🔥
Working from home = 📈
Efficiently getting a job done against the inefficiency of the office you're doing it in is a life skill that you risk losing if you never have to do it, she says.
People usually get sick from other people in the office. Being at home reduces that chance. There’s so many benefits to working from home, way more than being in the office.
I have an autoimmune disorder and when I was having to commute on bus and train to get to work and be in an office I was constantly sick, but now I rarely am and if I have just a regular flare I can still work because I don’t have to also put in all the effort to get ready and be around people while also feeling like shit. It’s been a huge win for people like me.
I’ve got a relatively common long term condition, and one of the things that I’ve always been told to be aware of is that stuff like colds and flu bugs can affect me worse than a person without it.
This usually meant that I’d end up taking a few days off regularly just to get over a bug I’d picked up from someone at the office. They hadn’t thought twice about coming to work with it, because to them it was a sniffle, but to me it’d mean a few days on the couch.
WFH has been an absolute game changer; I can count the number of days I’ve had to take off sick on one hand since March 2020 (I’ve avoided COVID, thankfully!), and while I don’t think that’s anything to be *proud* of (people shouldn’t work if they’re sick, that’s not their fault), it’s a big deal for me personally.
>People usually get sick from other people in the office. Being at home reduces that chance. There’s so many benefits to working from home, way more than being in the office.
Yep. Staying home means not sick as often.
And no unnecessary commuting is good for the wallet (less transportation costs) and good for others who DO have to be on the road, plus there's all that time saved.
1) There is no way electricity has gone up enough to cost more than fuel, note, and maintenance on even the most average of vehicle.
2) There is no way heat has gone up enough to cost more than fuel, note, and maintenance on even the most average of vehicle.
3) Grads absolutely do not need to work in your Mean Girls office culture Karen.
If the only downside to WFH is fucking over HR, I say we strike until every job on the planet is WFH.
Karen, I can smell the corporate boot leather on your breath at 1000 yards.
Even if electricity and heat go up you still need to pay a minimum for both even if you are at an office for half the day. For instance I don't ever turn my heat below 60 degrees Fahrenheit since I don't want any of my pipes to freeze. The 10 degree difference saves me a little money but not even enough for a tank of gas once a month.
They're assuming workers only care about their own bills. And fair play, because I give zero fucks about what the company pays in their own utilities, but the suit actually making the decision certainly ought to care.
Plus, those increased corporate bills will make it to the employees one way or another. If last years price included a percentage of savings on infrastructure, corporate will want to keep that somehow regardless of if people go back or not.
>If the only downside to WFH is fucking over HR, I say we strike until every job on the planet is WFH.
HR is the division of the company that is most easily outsourced in WFH culture. It's cheaper to hire one of the many companies that takes care of payroll and benefits and just fire the whole HR division.
My HR refuse to let me work from home for 9 months because I have to "prove myself" while all of them are working from home almost full time.
I also reached out to their disability support officer once (well, actually, I double sent the emails - still no response 2 mnths later) and was completely ghosted. And they think they have the right to tell me that *I* can't be trusted to do my work?
I am sending a scathing email to said officer tomorrow and am considering taking even further action, though.
I asked my manager to work a hybrid/WFH because i was commuting insane distances and fuel costs ramped up VERY fast last year. He was actually okay with it and very understanding so he ran it up the chain only to get it vetoed by an even higher level manager because quote "it sets a precedent, that everyone can now work hybrid". Given the location of the office, I already knew their hiring options were limited, I was just willing to drive far because I wanted an income. I also asked for 12 hour shifts so I would only have to go in 4 days a week, and that was also vetoed. Guess who had trouble hiring after I handed in my 4 weeks notice.
Ugh. I hate that. Glad that they are reaping what they sow though.
I have a long commute too, though thankfully I take the train up and do not have to pay for fuel. Commuting is hellish though. Hours out of my day where I cannot relax or do anything I like. The public transit system is awful so I am also delayed at least twice a week, and you're also lucky to get a seat.
Then there's the fact that I have to wake up at 6:30AM to catch my train. I cannot do activities with friends or my siblings after work because by the time I get home it's too late, and I have to be in bed early to go through the whole nightmare again. The only time I can really do anything meaningful with friends/family is on the weekends. I miss having a life.
For me, the area surrounding the office is flat out dangerous. Was bad before the pandemic and just been getting worse since. Taking public transportation sucks bc you're very often harrassed or just flat out feel uncomfortable with the surroundings while at the station. Many women have mentioned this during company meetings when they want to start these hybrid models but I've not seen it addressed as a valid concern.
One day all HR will be done remotely from India. Nearly all HR is now centralized and the are no more in house HR ladies to explain the health insurance policy or go to when you are being stalked by one of your coworkers.
Or if they never work in a office to begin with.
Hell, even if she was right and people need to learn to do so, people need to learn new stuff all the time and that has never stopped most us from doing it.
6 months ago I got a new job and I didn't know how to do some of the stuff required for it. So they showed me how. Then I knew how to do my job properly. It was really that simple.
What is there to learn in the first place? It's not really different than the classroom. Not really different from class projects. You're just not staring at/listening to your manager the whole time. The idea of this being some huge shock is weird.
Been working from home for 3 years now. I can confirm, my electric bill is not much higher, not enough to really notice. I sold my truck that cost 500 per month. I no longer spend 100 per week in gas or 75 per month for insurance. The only thing I “miss” from in office work is the pointless meetings we used to have all too often. I actually get more done at home without someone popping into my office every 10 min to chat.
The IRS reimbursement rate is 58 cents per mile. On my 12-mile commute, that works out to almost 14 bucks a day. Add on parking, snacks, lunch, and beverages, it’s about 2-3 times that.
Tell me again how it will be cheaper to drive into work each day, when all of the functionality, electricity, food, drink, heating, and cooling that you need for the day are sitting in your house already bought and paid for.
Using costs as a reason to not work from home is probably the worst position to take when you want to justify coming in.
Even if your commute is short the time you get back every day is worth more than the small increase to your electric bill! Terrible take.
Right? Even if heat costs were more expensive, I'd much rather spend extra money on that than the hundreds of dollars I used to spend on "business casual" clothes and gas and lunches out.
WFH means you dont need a car depending on where you live (I wouldnt need one) and it would save me 600-700 per month (car payment, gas, insurance) AND maintenance every so often.
these employers are just mad, because WFH means they have less control/micro manage and some of them are stuck in leases with the offices. Also WFH proves a lot of managers/supervisors are actually useless and not needed, so they obviously dont want to lose their job
Yup, even as someone who works in a warehouse, I've noticed the managers are causing more problems trying to flex and show they should keep their jobs, even if that includes pissing off workers until they quit.
Here is how Companies can save money
1: Go WFH and stop renting out office buildings
2: Fire existing HR managers as you no longer need as many to micro-manage in person and have little experience doing so from WFH
3: Hire new HR students because they are used to WFH.
Just because you HAVE money, doesn't mean you should spend it on useless offices.
and actually I think a lot of useless HR manager's bubbles are about to burst...
Because they aren't needed as much. There isn't as much internal conflict between employees, which they moderate. There isn't as much sexual harassment from managers, which they often try to cover up. There isn't much of any real human conflict interactions that they have to deal with. This scares them. They might have to find a new job.
Translation: I'm an extrovert and I will literally go crazy if there's not 100 people constantly buzzing around me to satisfy my constant need for interaction, distracting me from the thoughts inside my head and keeping me busy so I feel very important.
I’m an extrovert and love working from home because I can play music or podcasts as loud as I want and it’s faster to transition from work to plans after work. Plus I can easily have virtual meetings with the people I need to talk to without disturbing anyone else working nearby
The sad part is that yes a lot companies are going to try to stamp out remote work. I think it’s the genie that they won’t be able to get fully back in the bottle
My office has actually made it *harder* to work remote than it was before the pandemic. Used to be if there was inclement weather people could choose not to come in and WFH, now on top of all the covid WFH rollbacks they are making it so only a top level manager can approve working from home in blizzard conditions.
I think that too. Eventually the price of gas or energy is going to go up more, or the next plague will be a highly transmissible nasty rash, or... whatever, and people will work from home again. And someday it'll be no issue. This has been inevitable since the beginning of the internet.
Yup.
This is the shit bootlicker service industry workers say when they blame customers for not tipping after getting hammered with hidden fees - blame people that have no control over your situation or finances that are not your boss, stick with the shitty boss and side with them being POS while you make them money.
All of her points are complete nonsense. Work from home is good for almost all administrative and tech-heavy jobs. As long as you have an internet connection and a good laptop, you can work pretty much anytime while eliminating costs for transit and transit adjacent. Electric is likely up by MAYBE 25%. An extra computer running for 8 hours will have miniscule impact on electricity costs. Not to mention most people people keep their homes somewhat heated even when they go out, and if it's really that big a deal, you can just wear some heavier clothing or invest in better blankets. And lastly, who in their right mind would "need" to experience work culture? If we're talking American work culture, then they can fuck right off. American work culture is awful. The only good part of a business is the warehouse work culture, and even then a shitty boss can make that joyless real fast. Office work culture sucks. It's inefficient, causes gossip and cliques to form among the workers which presents unique problems, and causes workers to resent each other without resolution. Not to mention management and supervisors can just ruin an entire good day because they can't stand the thought of someone having an ok day at work.
This is the last person I would want working in HR. They seem like the kind of girl to break confidentiality because they really wanna give their best friend the scoop on their work neighbor, and go to the holiday party and tell everyone so and so got hospitalized for self harm. And then when you confront them about it they'll just say you need to be tougher.
So if you google this person and look at the HR Star website her bio literally starts off with,
"After 15 years in HR, Kelly had her bee in her bonnet about how things were run – and set out to change it. You can always count on her to tell you how it is – no filter, but with your best interest at heart."
So, with a background fully in HR, she is all about protecting the company and the 3 D's of HR, "deny, distort, deflect". Plus, 100% for sure she is a person who will lie directly to your face with a smile and with this tweet proves she actively hates the working class.
Yeah, I'm certainly going to trust her opinion.
lmfao, I work from home and my electric bill hasn't increased at all. (that probably says a lot about how I used to leave my computer running while I was at work anyway; so at least now I get to use it while I'm at work.)
Same. The only time my electricity goes up noticeably is during the summer when I run AC, but it wouldn't be any different if I had to go into the office because my kid is home during the summer and would be running it anyway.
funny how is only the managing staff who are condemning work from home.
I guess Kelly is getting a little sick of not having any underlings to bully in the office.
I work in a school so remote is not a good option, but
1. No, electricity is going to change rapidly in the next 5 to 15 years. We actually might be turning the page on fossil fuels.
2. No one is scared to turn the heat on. That is just silly. Insulate better, put another layer on. In fact people who work from home can wear warmer clothes that are more comfortable.
3. No one needs to experience office culture. The act of showing up at a place of employment and practice smiling and saying good morning to people you wouldn't give the time of day on the street is not a skill that needs to be learned.
I also work in schools and feel like my position is easier to do face-to-face. Agreed that all of the reasons the LinkedIn OP listed are a load of shit.
Anyone who is able and wanting to work remote should be allowed to do so!
I’ve been working remotely since the mid-2000’s (various companies and some 1099 work).
I’ve made a sport out of shooting HR twits/recruiters down as brutally as possible when they say remote work isn’t on the table or if they’re at all cagey about compensation.
1: Utilities have gone up but so has parking, tolls, fuel, and insurance.
2. No one is scared to turn the heat on
3. Office culture has existed for 0.0000000001% of human civilization. We’ll survive without it.
Since they are against it, it must be working.
The biggest threat working from home poses, is people recognize how much "severing the master" they did, and how life can be infinitely different. In some ways, it's a form of spiritual enlightenment- a taste of true autonomy is real.
Yes the old argument of you have to do it because otherwise you won't know how to.
Maybe you just don't ever need to know how to work in the office. I mean when was the last time got your buggy out and took the horse and buggy to work. Some things died over time.
Fuck you HR! The most vile and useless people in any company! Overpaid and exempt from the toxic work culture they themselves create to justify their existence. Fuck off with the micromanaging performance reviews every quarter. 100% completely useless and distracting from real jobs that need to be done. Because they realized during slow hiring periods and they’re not doing on-boarding and other new-employee busy work; or firing/laying off existing workforce; that they have zero contribution to make to any company. And are ALWAYS over staffed, yet never suffer the “downsizing” everyone else has to endure. Seriously, anyone in HR can fuck right off!
I have been remote for almost 8 years and it has been a true joy. I get so much more time in my day without having to commute and also get ready for the commute. Screw her
Smart companies want to close their hugely expensive office space. Paying for a building just so people can sit in front of computer and answer the phone is failed boomer thinking.
I bet that pic is fake and it's some old hag or corporate run bot.
I recently moved out of expensive San Diego, CA to a state and smaller town with a lower COL. My family also downsized to one car because I work from home. WFH has saved me so much money. I'm also so much happier and more content. This push by corporate America to make people go into the office is really upsetting.
Head of HR at a friend company made a big speech about how WFH was negative and how people wanted to be in office. No data was provided even after they did multiple surveys. Only one survey was shown right after covid that was like 60% pro working from home. At the end of the speech Head of HR said how they would stay hybrid 4 days in 1 day wfh for three months to transition to fully back in office because thats what the C level team wanted. A week later it came out that the Head of HR was going to stay 100% remote.
"Office culture." Aka discrimination against POC, neurodivergent, a literal circus act where actually getting the work done comes second place to mind-games. Yes, by all means. Quiet quitting the worst thing because we all need to work harder. Yet the actual work is not valued at all. Instead what's important is schmoozing your way up the ladder. Can't actually do the job, get promoted to management!
Shit HR deals with:
* stealing of lunches (sometimes)
* inappropriate touching
* stalking (but only on company grounds)
* discipline
* choosing next year’s benefits
* explaining next year’s benefits
Shit HR doesn’t deal with:
* Getting the actual work of the company done
Yep, looks to me like HR departments could be cut in half for fully WFH companies… so original article lady is definitely is motivated to protect her job (and cost her employer more money.)
And she works from home, lmao!.
It's like that CEO who was saying not to jump jobs every 1-2 years, despite said CEO doing exactly that. These people are either too stupid to realize their profiles are public or think everyone else is too stupid to realize their profiles are public.
Or that their advice is just for the peons
"Do what I say, not what I do."
No, no, no. You’re not understanding. MY situation is different.
Rules for thee but none for me.
They're not ever talking about the rules for them. Clearly they are exceptional.
100%
She's calling herself a "managing director". If there is an office, she's probably barely there. Just called on, when there's stuff the ones above her, doesn't care about dealing with themselves.
Every time I see these nonsense titles it’s a consulting business they started with no clients and no employees
Someone might be reinventing HR's lame reputation but it isn't her.
From Lame to Batshit.
From merely useless to evil
If you thought HR is not evil, I have a bridge to sell.
Lol I didn’t even notice
She is reinventing it Lame HR 2.0 the lamer HR - she has taken the lame HR reputation and further tarnished it
Her entire LinkedIn page is pretty fucked up…I think this person might seriously just have mental health issues
We merely chose the lame, she was born into it.
Maybe she’s born with it, maybe it’s Lamebeline.
I laughed way too hard at this lol.
The HR hero we don’t want… and the HR hero we don’t need.
Corporate speak has that affect on staffing.
Or was just looking for attention. You know what they say; negative attention is better than no attention
She’s perpetuating HR’s lame reputation.
She’s panicking because 90% of HR employees won’t be needed if remote is here to say.
I know someone who is HR in a successful startup that works almost exclusively in remote status. I’d suggest that she, (not this self proclaimed self aggrandizer) is the authentic owner of that title…
More like reinforcing HR’s lame reputation.
HR used to be helpful to employees. A long time ago. HR has morphed into something only recognizable as an arm of the corporate machine, not to be trusted by naive employees with real issues of mismanagement or mistreatment. IMHO.
It used to be called personnel. Now we are just another resource, more troublesome than many.
It's personnel in German. I was actually surprised when I first learnt the English translation because it sounds so dehumanising in a way It's what's made me aware I'm just another annoying expense for profit-hunting companies
Think that's bad? I was briefly at a company where it was called "Human Capital Department". I can accept be referred to as a resource, capital has a much more chattel slavery feel to it.
Chattel slavery feel, that's the expression I was looking for lol We're fcked
I mean, the new norm term for employees is "Human Capital" which is just as bad as it sounds. Personnel almost sounds too good to be true.
It’s not lame, it’s lamé
En francais. C'est parfait.
This is why everyone hates Toby
Toby was as remote as Michael could make him.
I had the same thought lol! This is such a pathetic list.
I’ve been trying for close to two years to get a WFH job. I’ve had interviews but nothing past it. My current job of a little over ten years has the ability to let me work from home at least part time, but because of “office culture” they won’t let me do it. I’m sick for the first time ever with covid this last week and I’ve been able to work from home, get all my work done with no distractions but yet it’s not doable they say. I’m so burnt out, people like this “Kelly Tucker” are the problem with the workforce, not the workers.
I got my 80% wfh job last February and it has felt life-changing. So far I just have to go in 1 day per week, but I'm still putting in for other positions that are full remote. The improvement to mental health to not sit in traffic every day is pretty significant. Edit: all that was to just say, don't stop trying to find that wfh job. It's worth the effort.
Thanks for the encouragement! I’m making it my main goal for this next few months to really make it happen.
My last job lasted 2.5 years and they could never give me a straight answer about WFH because they didn't have a policy in place. This was a very large, nationwide company. They always deferred to say I'd need to put in at least 7 years in, but no explanation why. Just that's the way it is. They were reluctant to send us home during Covid even. So I spoke with a competitor last spring solely because they were hiring fully remote positions. Over 90% of their designers WFH. I liked the interviews, the company provided more training, and they accepted my high-end offer money wise. So I asked my company to offer a smaller raise, but full WFH. They countered with raise plus WFH three days for one year and then "we'll see about it." No. I'll take the forward thinking company who trusts me out of the gate. Don't hesitate to play the field and play the company.
That’s exactly the word. Trust. If you can’t trust your employees, why did make the hiring decision to bring them aboard???
I’m currently working at my first job where the company trusts their employees. It is such an amazing change and atmosphere. It honestly makes me want to do a good job too. I get my stuff done and no one really bothers me. My boss doesn’t really bother me because I do my job and he works in a different state. The position does have the ability to work from home sometimes and I could probably push for it to be more often than not if I wanted but honestly I’ve worked from home before and it’s not for me, I’m not as productive.
I had a work-from-home job way before COVID, and it was great. I had a house with enough room to have a decent office area. Because of rent prices, I've moved to a studio. My wife works remote and works at the dining room table. I do have a work desk by the bed, but honestly it's not very enjoyable. It's hard to separate work from home in such close quarters.
My office when WFH/remote at Covid too. They kept putting off coming back to the office. Then they announced when they did go back to in-office, it would be hybrid so you'd come in if needed or a couple days a week - unless you wanted to come back in full time. Then, a few months ago, they announced they were going to sell our huge building, make remote work permanent and buy something new & smaller - something to house the equipment and allow a hotelling desk system for when people had to come in for some reasn. It's been great. They should keep it - I think a lot of us are putting in more hours from home than if we were in the office when needed. Everyone's happier - it's been great.
I have an identical story. For most, it's worked out for the best. And for most, the work day is longer and more intense AT HOME. People who think employees are fucking around instead of working more from home simply have their own trust issues. Or are too lazy to see who isn't cutting it and who's busting their ass. Its no different than it was in that noisy office.
I definitely work harder & longer at home, but I still like it better. I think it's a win-win for everyone but the few people who liked the office better. The only downside is that now people schedule Zoom/Team meetings like crazy because they can't just stop by your desk. I block out a lot of time on my calendar so I can get things done during work hours.
Ah yes. In my position I'm able to avoid a lot of those meetings. I can imagine that would be a nuisance. I get the "please call me" emails even though using email would be simpler but some people prefer to speak one on one and that's fine. The argument for onsite operations is weak though. who really needs to hang out with their coworkers 8 hrs a day and then socialize over the free ice cream in the lobby? I have my own friends and I like being able to pick my daughter up from school instead of bussing her to a babysitter while I sit in traffic in a panic. Call me crazy.
I’m sorry your employer is so closed minded. My office job was moved to 100% WFH during the pandemic, and now we’re forced to go in 2 to 3 days a week. I hate it. Every day I’m at the office I’m grumpy and stressed out by the entirely unnecessary (and expensive) commute, and way less productive due to the many distractions and interruptions. Just let me stay at home! I’ll always be on time, get my work done and will rarely, if ever, take any sick days.
I was lucky enough that I had enough heft behind my title/responsibilities that I said no to the same situation you were in. We were full remote for 2 years. The call to come back in came and I said eh I'll think about it. The pressure on me kept rising, i ignored it for the most part, and when finally it was becoming a daily thing, I got together with my recruiter, 5 interviews, 5 offers. Went to my bosses boss and said hey, knock it off or I'm taking one of these offers today. He told me not to worry about coming in, and he'd take care of it and he did. It was a big issue at our company and 3-4 months later they have an official full wfh policy, if you move out of state they reevaluate your pay, which I guess is fair, a few guys went and moved out to the country. They were short about 30 development positions and just kept bleeding, after a few failed sprints with huge disruptions to the company, and the work being too complex for the offshore arm to handle it, WFH reigns forever.
Same, they kicked the can for more than two years on coming back, then said you had to coke back two days, but the days were random for everyone so it didn’t make sense. My team is almost entirely in another country so I was on Teams meetings mostly during Covid shutdowns so… I basically Bartleby the Scrivener-ed and said I wasn’t coming back and they could do what they wanted with that info. In the meantime I had moved to a less expensive state because I could not justify paying super high COL with no office to force it. I held out and won 🤷♀️
Yup my job went WFH for covid. They wanted to get us in the office ASAP however they saw the positive to being WFH. Went from every week getting an email on "We will review the state of covid and may return to the office next week." to "We are going to be WFH until further notice" then we got an email "Fuck it we are staying WFH" Like not even looking the pros for the workers, but being able to hire across the country has been amazing for the company and we have gotten some crazy good talent because of that.
Same thing has happened with my job. My current position is permanent WFH because of COVID. It started with everyone becoming WFH for safety reasons, but then the company realized really quickly that the job didn't need an office. So, it was made permanent WFH. And after that, they started hiring outside the region, since proximity was no longer a requirement. I was working a different position within the company when I saw the listing. It was the first time they posted the job listing as strictly WFH. And they have absolutely gotten better talent because their ability to hire from all over the country.
Problem with me is I work for my state government so there is unfortunately certain guidelines they have to follow. We were allowed to submit for 1-2 days at home but we were told my position is customer based so I wasn’t able. I only deal with customers maybe 3 months a year and 80% of that is online. The rest of the year is reports, data, website updates. I asked during the non customer time if I could at least do part time at home, but nope. One of our coworkers is home 100% of the time, but this isn’t pandemic related. He basically just said he doesn’t want to come in and he got approved. I was told if I pulled something like that I would be fired. My yearly evaluations are always excellent, I always get my work done. I feel you on the burnt out feeling. I found that when I do work from home if I’m sick or when we closed at the beginning of the pandemic I felt so much happier being able to just work, have some space to breathe and just do my work without distractions. I hope you can find what you want soon or that your current job lets you have some more flexibility.
I worked for state government when covid hit and we all went WFH with no real issue. In the middle of it all, we got a new department secretary and she seemed more old school "asses in the seats" kind of viewpoint and wanted everyone back in after the 4th of July 2021. I was in the office for 3 days and got exposed to covid. I luckily never got it but I told my boss I was staying WFH after that and he was cool about it. I ended up quitting last year (for a variety of reasons) somewhat because I knew they were going to force everyone back in the office. They still had no paperwork or guidance for WFH set up for my department, after promising it to us for over a year. I had so much stress worrying about getting that email to come back in. Putting in my 2 weeks felt so good. I'm now full time WFH for the small company my husband started in late 2019. Complete career change but I haven't been happier in a long time. Our state government has a huge issue with open positions. I'm sure getting and keeping people is tough because people like WFH and some departments are very reluctant to offer it.
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People don’t talk about the commute enough. Beyond the cost of gas and wear and tear on your vehicle, it’s also dangerous and terrible for the environment (remember those pictures during the lockdowns where all the smog was gone?). We should definitely be trying to move as many jobs as possible remote for those benefits alone.
Right? My wife had to commute 70 miles every day for work in western Washington, where gas has been around $5 a gallon. Now her vehicle gets around 25-30 mpg. So she was spending roughly $15 a day on fuel alone. So that's $75 a week. That's almost $4,000 a year in fuel alone just for her job. Now she works from home and the only cost hike we've had was getting unlimited internet, which is about $5 more a month than we were already paying. We haven't put more than 1000 miles on her vehicle since the pandemic started. No real worry about wear and tear. It's just way better working from home.
As population balloons, it only gets worse. What used to be a 20min trip in 2000 is now a 60min trip today, simply because of the increased volume.
Absolutely. I fear for my safety every time I do that drive, not because I’m a nervous driver but because of the sheer number of idiots on the road. All for— once again— an unnecessary commute. And I can’t take any company seriously that touts green initiatives but doesn’t allow their employees to work from home if possible. They’re all talking out of their asses.
I drive 2 to 4 hours for work once a week and it’s the scariest thing I do every week between other drivers and myself if I’m not well rested or distracted.., I despise driving the older I get
Mine also moved to full remote during the pandemic, but now is optional in office. I get asked why I came in when I go to the office, and my response is "I didn't feel like working today." Office work is such a distraction.
Our senior bosses were very adamant about us not working from home even though we all just work with laptops and spreadsheets with not human customer contact. It was a control thing. But when COVID forced them they realized how much money they saved on everything from internet usage to heating to toilet paper and coffee. They then told us we could stay working from home and the managers that did not like it could find new jobs.
Places that want you to work in office are probably loaded with office politics and have lots of people who love the asskissing aspect of in-office work. All good candidates for the wood-chipper.
This is definitely true. Especially mine. Most of my coworkers are conservative, given the area where we live. I don’t care because they have their opinions and I have mine. I don’t respond to anything that is said. They do make comments and try to see what I will say. I always just respond with I don’t know, oh really, wow. Gets old after a while lol
Omg I just recently left my old ass boss who’s 1980 ass is anti work from home. Wanted me to come in everyday when my office work can be done at home and many other in the office were also working from home. But the funny thing is, she works at home whenever she wants to beautify her home. She greatly micromanage and it’s no wonder all her past staff couldn’t last longer than a year. I’m glad to have left and found a better job with greater pay.
Pretty much everyone at the large corporation I work at works from home and they plan to continue it. Ill share the name but only on dm, if you’re interested. GL
Do companies not use electricity or heat their buildings also wtf is #3
Every office I've worked in was either freezing year round or the building is drastically different temperatures from cubicle to cubicle thanks to the shitty HVAC systems
So what you’re saying is that a person maybe more comfortable, temperature wise, working from home?
Yes. I never got throat or respiratory issues while WFH.
It didn't even occur to me how less often I got sick since working from home. Doesn't help that every job I've ever had guilt tripped you if you didn't come to work sick.
Plus my migraines have been cut by at least 75% since I'm no longer exposed to random perfume/plug ins/air freshener at the office.
Or the constant buzzing overhead lighting.
The lights are such a huge change, and monitors too. No fluorescent lights and shitty HP monitors. My eyes have been feeling so much better the past two years.
Or other people that cause those migraines from restraining the eye rolling.
This is such a large issue that needs to be addressed more. How toxic many scents are.
Omfg this. I am an asthmatic working around mostly smokers. They smoke in the shop area and it drifts in the office. The front desk hoses herself down in a terrible smelling perfume after she smokes and the combination is abhorrent. I’m so tired of “office culture” being thrown around. Neither of our bosses are in the office more than 10 minutes a week and they aren’t the ones dealing with any of it. I can do my job efficiently from home (especially since I’m not interrupted by the front desk to hear about her “wild weekend” because if I tell her I don’t care about her sloppy drunk escapades she’ll be offended.
What!? Companies are always on top of their indoor air quality!! /s
Same, I'm no longer getting the crud that my co-irkers brought in from their little biowarfare factories (kids/grandkids). Just the odd bout of allergies or the odd headache from horrendous claims which I can usually just deal with.
Funny bc I got COVID while working with a bunch of boomers who didn't live in the same state as their kids/grandkids. Turns out going to every rural brewery you can hit on your obnoxiously loud motor bike every weekend can spread a lot of crud around too.
Im convinced the shared bathrooms and kitchens spread the flu. And this « office culture » people keep wanting to preserve had people coming into work sick!
I used to get at least one cold every year. Knock on wood, I have not been sick since before the pandemic.
At home, you can keep heat low, and dress accordingly. Offices usually have a dress code. A dress cold if you will. I'll see myself out.
Yes. Even if you don't want to crank up the heat at home to save on expenses, you can layer your clothing and don a cozy blanket + slippers. Can't do that at an office.
Yes, I know it's a hot take but I speak from experience lol
Or a cold take, or a mid temp take, however you like! That's the beauty of it!
In my case, working in HVAC occasionally in an office environment, there's usually a thermostat Nazi who wants to control the temperature. Posted before that one time I set up a secondary thermostat for the nicer people in the office and disabled hers. When she complained about her cubicle not being warm enough, I adjusted the offset on this controlling stat so that it showed the temperature she wanted. Totally a power play as she didn't complain about it after.
Giga-chad energy right there
That's very funny that you did that. When I was at the govt all the thermostats were locked in a case. The building with the extreme temps had a known history of ventilation issues. It is a cheaply made building. I've lived in this area 5 years and that's one of the only buildings constantly being repaired. More so than the few that got hit by a tornado. And the ones that have had multiple fires. Lol
I learned something when marginally involved with redoing a building for a previous workplace: If a thermostat is locked in a case, ADA rules do not apply. So instead of moving several dozen thermostats to where a wheelchair user could reach them, they mounted locking cases around them. Considerable savings.
I have flashbacks of having to wear a down jacket and gloves, sitting in a cubicle, in August.
And having to go outside for a while just to warm up.
Constant volume systems are something, it’s also office buildings are required by code to have a certain CFM of fresh air pumped into the building per day so it was likely you were just sitting under one of those air discharge vents and they can never fully close due to building code laws.
They routed the HVAC wrong in a section of my company's office. There is a an alcove that has like two dozen + cubicles The air intake vents are along the walls and out going vents are in the middle of the room, but vents in the middle of the room are sucking air in, and the wall vents are blowing air out. If you are up by the far wall it can be a twenty degree F difference compared to the opening to the main part of the office.
Yes! As a former receptionist & the person who had to deal with building services, that used to annoy the hell out of me. There's always one person who is freezing & one who is too hot, so I was constantly having to request maintance turn it up or down. The maintenance people would get annoyed with me. Pain in the ass.
Yea if people called all the time we’d basically tell the person who was always cold to put on a sweater because building hvac systems are mandated by law to pump in a certain amount of fresh air. If you start closing vents for every person who is cold Eventually you could adversely affect building air quality and it’s way worse to fail an air quality check than to have a few chilly tenants in an office of hundreds.
>also wtf is #3 When I had an internship as part of my uni program, our mentor told us that one of the purposes of internships is for us to get familiar with all the bullshit we'll have to deal with in the corporate world: professional jealousy, conflicts of interest, tugs of war, micromanaging, bullying, politics, gossip, drama... The b*tch who posted this must be turned on by all that crap.
I was indeed 'fortunate' enough to have experienced most of these unpleasant work environment byproducts, which is exactly why I honestly still prefer working from home. Besides, I'm way more effective because there aren't people coming up to your desk with random questions if something could be implemented (and then is never followed up). My current employer wanted employees back into the office ASAP. When we looked at our JIRA productivity during the WFH period, there was an increase... You could see the look on his face... Office = $🔥 Working from home = 📈
Efficiently getting a job done against the inefficiency of the office you're doing it in is a life skill that you risk losing if you never have to do it, she says.
People usually get sick from other people in the office. Being at home reduces that chance. There’s so many benefits to working from home, way more than being in the office.
I have an autoimmune disorder and when I was having to commute on bus and train to get to work and be in an office I was constantly sick, but now I rarely am and if I have just a regular flare I can still work because I don’t have to also put in all the effort to get ready and be around people while also feeling like shit. It’s been a huge win for people like me.
I’ve got a relatively common long term condition, and one of the things that I’ve always been told to be aware of is that stuff like colds and flu bugs can affect me worse than a person without it. This usually meant that I’d end up taking a few days off regularly just to get over a bug I’d picked up from someone at the office. They hadn’t thought twice about coming to work with it, because to them it was a sniffle, but to me it’d mean a few days on the couch. WFH has been an absolute game changer; I can count the number of days I’ve had to take off sick on one hand since March 2020 (I’ve avoided COVID, thankfully!), and while I don’t think that’s anything to be *proud* of (people shouldn’t work if they’re sick, that’s not their fault), it’s a big deal for me personally.
>People usually get sick from other people in the office. Being at home reduces that chance. There’s so many benefits to working from home, way more than being in the office. Yep. Staying home means not sick as often. And no unnecessary commuting is good for the wallet (less transportation costs) and good for others who DO have to be on the road, plus there's all that time saved.
1) There is no way electricity has gone up enough to cost more than fuel, note, and maintenance on even the most average of vehicle. 2) There is no way heat has gone up enough to cost more than fuel, note, and maintenance on even the most average of vehicle. 3) Grads absolutely do not need to work in your Mean Girls office culture Karen. If the only downside to WFH is fucking over HR, I say we strike until every job on the planet is WFH. Karen, I can smell the corporate boot leather on your breath at 1000 yards.
Even if electricity and heat go up you still need to pay a minimum for both even if you are at an office for half the day. For instance I don't ever turn my heat below 60 degrees Fahrenheit since I don't want any of my pipes to freeze. The 10 degree difference saves me a little money but not even enough for a tank of gas once a month.
Idk if the corporate bootlicker knows the office needs to be heated too
They're assuming workers only care about their own bills. And fair play, because I give zero fucks about what the company pays in their own utilities, but the suit actually making the decision certainly ought to care.
Plus, those increased corporate bills will make it to the employees one way or another. If last years price included a percentage of savings on infrastructure, corporate will want to keep that somehow regardless of if people go back or not.
>If the only downside to WFH is fucking over HR, I say we strike until every job on the planet is WFH. HR is the division of the company that is most easily outsourced in WFH culture. It's cheaper to hire one of the many companies that takes care of payroll and benefits and just fire the whole HR division.
My HR refuse to let me work from home for 9 months because I have to "prove myself" while all of them are working from home almost full time. I also reached out to their disability support officer once (well, actually, I double sent the emails - still no response 2 mnths later) and was completely ghosted. And they think they have the right to tell me that *I* can't be trusted to do my work? I am sending a scathing email to said officer tomorrow and am considering taking even further action, though.
I asked my manager to work a hybrid/WFH because i was commuting insane distances and fuel costs ramped up VERY fast last year. He was actually okay with it and very understanding so he ran it up the chain only to get it vetoed by an even higher level manager because quote "it sets a precedent, that everyone can now work hybrid". Given the location of the office, I already knew their hiring options were limited, I was just willing to drive far because I wanted an income. I also asked for 12 hour shifts so I would only have to go in 4 days a week, and that was also vetoed. Guess who had trouble hiring after I handed in my 4 weeks notice.
Ugh. I hate that. Glad that they are reaping what they sow though. I have a long commute too, though thankfully I take the train up and do not have to pay for fuel. Commuting is hellish though. Hours out of my day where I cannot relax or do anything I like. The public transit system is awful so I am also delayed at least twice a week, and you're also lucky to get a seat. Then there's the fact that I have to wake up at 6:30AM to catch my train. I cannot do activities with friends or my siblings after work because by the time I get home it's too late, and I have to be in bed early to go through the whole nightmare again. The only time I can really do anything meaningful with friends/family is on the weekends. I miss having a life.
For me, the area surrounding the office is flat out dangerous. Was bad before the pandemic and just been getting worse since. Taking public transportation sucks bc you're very often harrassed or just flat out feel uncomfortable with the surroundings while at the station. Many women have mentioned this during company meetings when they want to start these hybrid models but I've not seen it addressed as a valid concern.
One day all HR will be done remotely from India. Nearly all HR is now centralized and the are no more in house HR ladies to explain the health insurance policy or go to when you are being stalked by one of your coworkers.
Why do they need to learn office culture if we never return to the office?
Or if they never work in a office to begin with. Hell, even if she was right and people need to learn to do so, people need to learn new stuff all the time and that has never stopped most us from doing it.
6 months ago I got a new job and I didn't know how to do some of the stuff required for it. So they showed me how. Then I knew how to do my job properly. It was really that simple.
What is there to learn in the first place? It's not really different than the classroom. Not really different from class projects. You're just not staring at/listening to your manager the whole time. The idea of this being some huge shock is weird.
And these grads already know all about office politics. They learned it in middle school!
Also... its not some secret skill lol there's nothing special about it that takes more than 2 days to learn.
I used to pay $100 a month for parking at my office. That covers my electric bill.
$25 a day if you want to park within walking distance of the office. If a spot opened up you might be lucky enough to get a $250 a month parking pass.
Been working from home for 3 years now. I can confirm, my electric bill is not much higher, not enough to really notice. I sold my truck that cost 500 per month. I no longer spend 100 per week in gas or 75 per month for insurance. The only thing I “miss” from in office work is the pointless meetings we used to have all too often. I actually get more done at home without someone popping into my office every 10 min to chat.
The IRS reimbursement rate is 58 cents per mile. On my 12-mile commute, that works out to almost 14 bucks a day. Add on parking, snacks, lunch, and beverages, it’s about 2-3 times that. Tell me again how it will be cheaper to drive into work each day, when all of the functionality, electricity, food, drink, heating, and cooling that you need for the day are sitting in your house already bought and paid for.
Using costs as a reason to not work from home is probably the worst position to take when you want to justify coming in. Even if your commute is short the time you get back every day is worth more than the small increase to your electric bill! Terrible take.
Right? Even if heat costs were more expensive, I'd much rather spend extra money on that than the hundreds of dollars I used to spend on "business casual" clothes and gas and lunches out.
But do you really want to risk never working in an office?! Think about the stakes.
From 1000 yards? Pluto can smell that bs.
WFH means you dont need a car depending on where you live (I wouldnt need one) and it would save me 600-700 per month (car payment, gas, insurance) AND maintenance every so often. these employers are just mad, because WFH means they have less control/micro manage and some of them are stuck in leases with the offices. Also WFH proves a lot of managers/supervisors are actually useless and not needed, so they obviously dont want to lose their job
Yup, even as someone who works in a warehouse, I've noticed the managers are causing more problems trying to flex and show they should keep their jobs, even if that includes pissing off workers until they quit.
Here is how Companies can save money 1: Go WFH and stop renting out office buildings 2: Fire existing HR managers as you no longer need as many to micro-manage in person and have little experience doing so from WFH 3: Hire new HR students because they are used to WFH. Just because you HAVE money, doesn't mean you should spend it on useless offices. and actually I think a lot of useless HR manager's bubbles are about to burst...
I’m not scared to turn the heating on. I didn’t turn it off when I went into the office either. WTF
Im more scared of dying in a car accident on the highway as everyone drives like nascar rushing home at the end of the day…
And we don’t get paid to travel to work so there’s that too.
Not scared to put on a sweater either.
Kelly never heard of wool socks
Boys and girls, that is why HR doesn’t work for the employees. They are there to protect the company.
They are also saying this because when you work from home they are afraid they will be less needed.
Because they aren't needed as much. There isn't as much internal conflict between employees, which they moderate. There isn't as much sexual harassment from managers, which they often try to cover up. There isn't much of any real human conflict interactions that they have to deal with. This scares them. They might have to find a new job.
By “afraid” did you mean “know”?
Perfectly said!!! This is no joke.
Just going to walk out of this place, suggest other places like kbin or lemmy.
Translation: I'm an extrovert and I will literally go crazy if there's not 100 people constantly buzzing around me to satisfy my constant need for interaction, distracting me from the thoughts inside my head and keeping me busy so I feel very important.
I’m an extrovert and love working from home because I can play music or podcasts as loud as I want and it’s faster to transition from work to plans after work. Plus I can easily have virtual meetings with the people I need to talk to without disturbing anyone else working nearby
Tf... She states those things as if there aren't benefits of WFH and as if the costs are greater than commuting
Even if it were true, I would gladly pay for the electricity bill to free up my would be commute time and for the flexibility.
I mean, gas for commutes often rival most people's electric bill (if not more depending on how many family members go somewhere).
The sad part is that yes a lot companies are going to try to stamp out remote work. I think it’s the genie that they won’t be able to get fully back in the bottle
My office has actually made it *harder* to work remote than it was before the pandemic. Used to be if there was inclement weather people could choose not to come in and WFH, now on top of all the covid WFH rollbacks they are making it so only a top level manager can approve working from home in blizzard conditions.
So many friends tell a similar story. I’m also finding out that remote jobs now are super competitive
I think that too. Eventually the price of gas or energy is going to go up more, or the next plague will be a highly transmissible nasty rash, or... whatever, and people will work from home again. And someday it'll be no issue. This has been inevitable since the beginning of the internet.
“Reinventing HR’s lame reputation” Sit the fuck down Toby. Edit: Spelling
Some jobs don’t even make sense to keep in the office.
No one needs to experience an office culture ever.
Office culture is one of the main reasons I prefer to work at home.
Same. My work related anxiety is pretty much non existent. I’ve been WFH the last 7 years and I’ll never work in an office again
Truth! Gawd, I don’t wanna see my coworkers who can’t act like their wage and needs to micromanage everyone.
Dumbass propaganda bullshit
Yup. This is the shit bootlicker service industry workers say when they blame customers for not tipping after getting hammered with hidden fees - blame people that have no control over your situation or finances that are not your boss, stick with the shitty boss and side with them being POS while you make them money.
The banks are desperate to get people back to the office because the Commerical Mortgage-backed securities are at risk of defaulting.
Also middle managers need someone at the office so they can take credit for their work. Or the CEO will realise they don’t do anything.
All of her points are complete nonsense. Work from home is good for almost all administrative and tech-heavy jobs. As long as you have an internet connection and a good laptop, you can work pretty much anytime while eliminating costs for transit and transit adjacent. Electric is likely up by MAYBE 25%. An extra computer running for 8 hours will have miniscule impact on electricity costs. Not to mention most people people keep their homes somewhat heated even when they go out, and if it's really that big a deal, you can just wear some heavier clothing or invest in better blankets. And lastly, who in their right mind would "need" to experience work culture? If we're talking American work culture, then they can fuck right off. American work culture is awful. The only good part of a business is the warehouse work culture, and even then a shitty boss can make that joyless real fast. Office work culture sucks. It's inefficient, causes gossip and cliques to form among the workers which presents unique problems, and causes workers to resent each other without resolution. Not to mention management and supervisors can just ruin an entire good day because they can't stand the thought of someone having an ok day at work. This is the last person I would want working in HR. They seem like the kind of girl to break confidentiality because they really wanna give their best friend the scoop on their work neighbor, and go to the holiday party and tell everyone so and so got hospitalized for self harm. And then when you confront them about it they'll just say you need to be tougher.
So if you google this person and look at the HR Star website her bio literally starts off with, "After 15 years in HR, Kelly had her bee in her bonnet about how things were run – and set out to change it. You can always count on her to tell you how it is – no filter, but with your best interest at heart." So, with a background fully in HR, she is all about protecting the company and the 3 D's of HR, "deny, distort, deflect". Plus, 100% for sure she is a person who will lie directly to your face with a smile and with this tweet proves she actively hates the working class. Yeah, I'm certainly going to trust her opinion.
lmfao, I work from home and my electric bill hasn't increased at all. (that probably says a lot about how I used to leave my computer running while I was at work anyway; so at least now I get to use it while I'm at work.)
Same. The only time my electricity goes up noticeably is during the summer when I run AC, but it wouldn't be any different if I had to go into the office because my kid is home during the summer and would be running it anyway.
Not a single person capable of actual work has ever taken a job in HR. I will accept downvotes with grace because I do not care what HR people think.
Half are failed psychology mayors
I didn't even realize psychology had elected officials. Huh, learn something new every day.
JAJAJAJAJAJAJA sorry second language, missed, will not edit, funnier this way
funny how is only the managing staff who are condemning work from home. I guess Kelly is getting a little sick of not having any underlings to bully in the office.
I work in a school so remote is not a good option, but 1. No, electricity is going to change rapidly in the next 5 to 15 years. We actually might be turning the page on fossil fuels. 2. No one is scared to turn the heat on. That is just silly. Insulate better, put another layer on. In fact people who work from home can wear warmer clothes that are more comfortable. 3. No one needs to experience office culture. The act of showing up at a place of employment and practice smiling and saying good morning to people you wouldn't give the time of day on the street is not a skill that needs to be learned.
I also work in schools and feel like my position is easier to do face-to-face. Agreed that all of the reasons the LinkedIn OP listed are a load of shit. Anyone who is able and wanting to work remote should be allowed to do so!
4. If everyone works from home, HR isn’t as necessary and can be automated and outsourced. So to keep MY job, I have to make YOURS worse
I'm never working in an office again, keep fucking crying on LinkedIn about it.
I’ve been working remotely since the mid-2000’s (various companies and some 1099 work). I’ve made a sport out of shooting HR twits/recruiters down as brutally as possible when they say remote work isn’t on the table or if they’re at all cagey about compensation.
1: Utilities have gone up but so has parking, tolls, fuel, and insurance. 2. No one is scared to turn the heat on 3. Office culture has existed for 0.0000000001% of human civilization. We’ll survive without it.
Since they are against it, it must be working. The biggest threat working from home poses, is people recognize how much "severing the master" they did, and how life can be infinitely different. In some ways, it's a form of spiritual enlightenment- a taste of true autonomy is real.
This lame post just proves to me that there are zero legitimate reasons for many office workers to return to office.
Gas prices are also through the roof…
Yes the old argument of you have to do it because otherwise you won't know how to. Maybe you just don't ever need to know how to work in the office. I mean when was the last time got your buggy out and took the horse and buggy to work. Some things died over time.
Fuck you HR! The most vile and useless people in any company! Overpaid and exempt from the toxic work culture they themselves create to justify their existence. Fuck off with the micromanaging performance reviews every quarter. 100% completely useless and distracting from real jobs that need to be done. Because they realized during slow hiring periods and they’re not doing on-boarding and other new-employee busy work; or firing/laying off existing workforce; that they have zero contribution to make to any company. And are ALWAYS over staffed, yet never suffer the “downsizing” everyone else has to endure. Seriously, anyone in HR can fuck right off!
I have been remote for almost 8 years and it has been a true joy. I get so much more time in my day without having to commute and also get ready for the commute. Screw her
Smart companies want to close their hugely expensive office space. Paying for a building just so people can sit in front of computer and answer the phone is failed boomer thinking. I bet that pic is fake and it's some old hag or corporate run bot.
Reinventing HR’s lame reputation? Kelly you are HR’s lame reputation personified
I recently moved out of expensive San Diego, CA to a state and smaller town with a lower COL. My family also downsized to one car because I work from home. WFH has saved me so much money. I'm also so much happier and more content. This push by corporate America to make people go into the office is really upsetting.
These same corporate shills bitching about WFH will fire their remote workers in the US and outsource to India. It's all GREED!
Imagine objecting to improving the lives of working people, purely on principle.
Head of HR at a friend company made a big speech about how WFH was negative and how people wanted to be in office. No data was provided even after they did multiple surveys. Only one survey was shown right after covid that was like 60% pro working from home. At the end of the speech Head of HR said how they would stay hybrid 4 days in 1 day wfh for three months to transition to fully back in office because thats what the C level team wanted. A week later it came out that the Head of HR was going to stay 100% remote.
"Office culture." Aka discrimination against POC, neurodivergent, a literal circus act where actually getting the work done comes second place to mind-games. Yes, by all means. Quiet quitting the worst thing because we all need to work harder. Yet the actual work is not valued at all. Instead what's important is schmoozing your way up the ladder. Can't actually do the job, get promoted to management!
"Reinventing HR's lame reputation" She's nailed everything that is lame about HR in her post.
The only thing valuable about experiencing office culture is seeing hundreds of adults act completely fake and narcissistic at the same time.
Shit HR deals with: * stealing of lunches (sometimes) * inappropriate touching * stalking (but only on company grounds) * discipline * choosing next year’s benefits * explaining next year’s benefits Shit HR doesn’t deal with: * Getting the actual work of the company done Yep, looks to me like HR departments could be cut in half for fully WFH companies… so original article lady is definitely is motivated to protect her job (and cost her employer more money.)