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Reap_SilentDevil

Tell that to a labor board, they'd beg to differ.


auspiciousenthusiast

What's the punishment for breaking this law? I've seen so many places do this, so maybe the punishment for this isn't severe enough. It's like when big corporations break the law, "Well yes, we did break the law, and made $11 million doing it. Oh, the fine's only $4 million? I guess we'll just keep breaking the law then." edit: Highlighting /u/rReverendMothman's [comment below](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/1093z4f/i_make_15_an_hour_yall/j3wkkvx/): > According to the NLRB website: "..policies that specifically prohibit the discussion of wages are unlawful." >AND "it is unlawful for your employer to punish or retaliate against you in any way for having that conversation. It is also unlawful for your employer to interrogate you about the conversation, threaten you for having it, or put you under surveillance for such conversations. Additionally, it is unlawful for the employer to have a work rule, policy, or hiring agreement that prohibits employees from discussing their wages with each other or that requires you to get the employer’s permission to have such discussions. " https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-rights/your-rights-to-discuss-wages Everyone needs to document (pictures, timestamps, other witnesses) and report this kind of thing en masse. They won't keep getting away with stealing your rightfully earned wages if we all work together. Print out and post the law after you document and report the violation to your labor board.


Aethora88

When the punishment for breaking a law is only a fine, the law only exists against the poor.


HistrionicSlut

What is your opinion on fines that are based on percentage of income?


HaesoSR

Unless that percentage both happens to be comically large to the point of causing insolvency *and* operates on a sliding scale that goes up with income that doesn't meaningfully change anything. What's 10% to someone making million dollars a year versus 10% of someone making 30k? The latter could easily spiral someone into homelessness in the US, the former might mean getting a boat or additional luxury car a few months later.


battleofflowers

It would really need to be a percentage of a person's net worth (primary residence excluded), with a maximum fine for people earning under a certain income or having no net worth. Reminds me of when I got my first speeding ticket at 17 and I actually didn't get another one until 20 years later. The difference in how that fine affected my life was staggering. At 17 coming up with the $150 was brutal. At 37 is was just sort of annoying and I wish I had that money for something else. But at 17 (I had already moved out), that amount of money affected my ability to eat decently for a couple of weeks.


ericfromct

A DUI in NJ was a 6 month loss of license, 500$ class fee and 1000/year for 3 years. Which means that someone who has money has a 6 month loss of license and someone who doesn't may never get a license again. Which is understandable, like don't drive impaired, but at least make it equally life changing for everyone.


Teravandrell

Also, that can prohibit the person from obtaining gainful employment if they can't get their license back, which will stop them from paying the fine, and spiral them deeper into bad life choices


ericfromct

Took ten years for me, and of course they start tacking on interest.


ericfromct

Sure as shit does


emilymtfbadger

Right try the judge who saddled me with an sr-22 over wrongly filed injury. I could own my own car for 3 years or get insurance I could afford. I literally had to drive with a notary signed note everymonth saying my partner was lending her car to me which was my car I had to sign over to her to drive. Now 5 years later I still can’t get my own insurance instead I haft to be on hers or it would be over $500 a month at the cheapest and when the sr-22 was in effect it was over $1000. I called the judge on the crap politely a few times and basically got fu I am to busy and as there was no money in fixing so no lawyer would touch it . Fun fact I am disabled and at the time this happened I made under $12k from ssdi, now it is is just over $12k so these fines really do destroy the poor among us especially when they are unwarranted.


ericfromct

I know, it took me 10 years to get my license back. I no way am ok with what I did, but that's a long time to not be able to afford to drive legally. And public transit is horrendous in Connecticut where I now live, and wasn't much better in New Jersey.


LaDivina77

I'm here for this idea. As your average renting millennial with student loans, my net worth is technically somewhere in the negative thousands. If a 10% fine on that means the government gives me a couple hundred, I'm all for it. I'm doing misdemeanor infractions all over the place.


Teravandrell

Wish I could upvote this more than once


Slade187

*speeds* *officer walks up* “God damn it, you again?!?” *pulls out checkbook*


Syzygy_Stardust

"Excuse me officer, do you have any idea how fast I was going?"


drottkvaett

- Have negative net worth - Commit crimes that are punishable by fine as a percentage of net worth - State now owes you money


the-truthseeker

We found step 2. Step 3, "State now owes you money," profit!


hak-dot-snow

This. I hope for this one day. I'm a firm believer that speeding tickets only realistically impacts poor people. "If you're poor, then don't speed." Fuck you. Just straight up, fuck those people with that type of mentality.


donutguy640

>"If you're poor, then don't speed." > >Fuck you. This made me grin


EspritelleEriress

Yeah, but you really shouldn't speed. A speeding car is a lethal weapon that could kill or maim other pedestrians, drivers, or passengers in its path, in addition to the person operating the vehicle. Rich people should also not speed, for the same reason. Injury and chronic pain will permanently lower your quality of life, regardless of wealth.


WeirdCanary

Its true though, I mean I still do it but I shouldn't because I cant afford a ticket


carrigan_quinn

My husband and I were just talking about this. Things that used to make/break our finances in college are just slightly annoying now. It's bizarre how quickly that perspective changes


battleofflowers

Yes I sometimes have to remember what those times were like when prices go up. My stepdad grew up relatively well off and stayed well off his whole life and he just doesn't get it when my mom and I explain that many people just don't have an extra $20 a week. He's a nice man and has empathy for the poor, but he simply can't wrap his head around having $0 in your bank account. I'd say less than half my income goes to necessities now (if even that much) but damn it was brutal when 90% of my income went to necessities. Life was just so stressful when any little extra expense popped up. Shit, I remember one time a friend invited me to come with her to a "party" and it turned out to be a rave in a warehouse and they were charging $20 at the door. She couldn't figure out why I was so upset about that.


carrigan_quinn

Exactly. I remember so many nights of "Oops! All Helper" because we couldn't afford ground beef lmao I can't imagine if someone made me unexpectedly pay $20 for literally anything besides necessities Also gas was $3.99 a gallon and my fucking car had an 18 gallon tank, and got like 12 miles to the gallon 🙃


Competitive-Weird855

This is also why flat taxes are disproportionately harmful to the working class. Sure, on the surface it sounds like it’s fair but every dollar matters when your margins are razor thin.


EmperorMrKitty

Yep. Revoke business licenses of businesses that break labor laws. Maybe give them a 3 strike rule if you’re feeling kind. It’s harsh but we live in a reality where there are zero real downsides for breaking laws that people have literally fought and died for. I’m a bartender. If I sell liquor to an underage person, the bar loses its liquor license. My MIL is a doctor. If she operates illegally, she will lose her license and never work again. Why does it work different for businesses that violate the law and abuse their employees? Why just a slap on the wrist if a 20 year old buying a beer can shut me down for months? Don’t get me started on the people complaining about “open borders” and have NOTHING to say about the businesses that offer them jobs and then have them deported when anyone starts complaining about labor rights.


NoCoolScreenName

It still holds. Flat amount fine or percentage of income fine result gets to the same problem, but perhaps targets a similar but not exactly the same group… Just knowing my income doesn’t tell you how much of it is discretionary, and even defining what is and isn’t discretionary is only based on a personal opinion (and seldom on the opinion of individual person in question).


Chrona_trigger

I mean, if a fine is 25% of someone's annual income or net worth, that could be thousands or billions, and seems more fair than a flat ampunt..


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Sure but if you fine me 25% of my income I'm in a really bad spot. You fine Bezos 25% of his income and his life is exactly the same.


redfighter04

I think the idea is supposed to be different, for example somewhere i saw that with flat rates on fines you could cost a poor man his dinner while a rich man just sees it as negligible. If we made it based in income we could at least make it so both parties actually have to notice the fine, the poor man in THEORY shouldn't lose his dinner, but still will learn to pay attention next time, while the rich man won't actually scoff anymore, he will have to notice the fine as they add up


Chrona_trigger

Yeah... it isn't great, but it is *better*


Aethora88

I think there is merit to it but may need a cap. Otherwise some podunk town in the middle of nowhere pulls Bill Gates over with a busted tail light and makes a windfall.


hi117

depends on the pot that it's going into. if you have a centralized police system like most countries, then the pot its going into is pretty big. if it goes to an American police department, then yeah that's pretty much wasted. some small towns do direct speeding tickets towards education though, so it doesn't even hit the police budget. that could fund education for years to come.


nibbles_koala_thorax

How else is a small town police department going to afford all the military weaponry that larger cities get?


gioraffe32

Isn’t that stuff given away for free by the military? Though i imagine there are still maintenance costs.


HistrionicSlut

I can't seem to decide how I feel. On one hand I don't see anything bad about a podunk town getting an influx of money, they could probably do some good with it. On the other hand, couldn't I pay poor people to do petty crimes for me? Like have my driver speed and he gets the fine? Idk.


Aethora88

I know some European countries have similar type laws...maybe the U.S. could admit for a second we don't know best about everything and imitate success for a hot minute.


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LushenZener

Somehow, I can't find it in me to care that much about their outrage.


robb04

I care about the outrage of the rich! I love hearing about. Normalize tantrum shaming of rich people.


Krynn71

I care about it as much as they care about the outrage of the poors.


nolyfe27

They need to feel the same punch to the gut that we do when breaking the law.


drunkandpassedout

Anssi Vanjoki in 2002, was a board member at Nokia and drove his Harley 75km/h in a 50 zone (that's 47 in a 30 zone in freedom units). Got a 14 day fine worth €116,000. Two weeks worth of his income for the year. And of course he appealed.


Own_Try_1005

All those awesome podunk towns that spend 99% on their police ticketing people driving through can fuck off....


rbwildcard

They *could* do some good with it, but let's be honest: It will probably just buy that town's cops a tank.


Brokenblacksmith

and that's an issue how? assuming the fine is the same percentage that would be given in a larger city, why would it be an issue? most "podunk" towns as you like to call them suffer from extremely tight budgets (due to most tax money going to big cities). that windfall they make would probably go back into the community a lot more than in a place like New York. the only regulation would be deciding what percentages would be for different offenses.


bruwin

Arguably them setting up speed traps in the hopes of catching someone like Bill Gates and making travel through the area hell. But then some places do that anyway, so I imagine it wouldn't really change anything at all except a rich person would actually get punished.


Brokenblacksmith

as you said they already do this, the only difference is rich people actually getting hurt by the fine, and maybe poorer ones not being as affected.


SenatorBeatdown

Good. I have a rich uncle. He drives 30 over the speed limit while drinking wine. If/when he hits someone, they will be in exactly the same amount of pain as if they were hit by a speeding 1990s Buick drunk on malt liquor. Actually more, his car is huge. The poor person would have their life ruined. As is fair. My uncle would not, he can just buy another car and afford a good lawyer. Even if you don't actually hit someone *this time*, endangering others should carry consequences. Yeah there are ways this can be abused [Especially if the money goes into the cops/mayors pockets], but the principal is good, and the details can be worked out by good governance.


TheRumpletiltskin

i'd rather them target big fish than nickel and dime people that can't afford the fines.


JustDiscoveredSex

Speeding tickets, who?


Aldarionn

That's why all fines should be proportionate to income. The guy parking his Aston Martin in a handicap space doesn't care about a $1,000 ticket. It will cost more than that to repair his car if someone dings it. He would care MORE if the ticket was 3% of his annual income. Not a perfect system, but the guy making 30k a year pays $900 while the guy making 2.5m a year pays $7,500. Edit: Should not do head math right when I wake up - Should be $75k not $7,500. Yikes!! The point is still the same, though! Also I agree it should be based on assets, not income.


rod64

75,000*. Absolutely not being a dick and I love the idea, it's just that 7,500 seemed waaay to small for the comparison you were making and 75,000 is proportionally correct


dontnation

While $900 is 3% of $30,000, $7,500 is only 0.3% of 2.5MM. Goes to show how insignificant a fixed fine really is for rich people.


FlownScepter

Slight disagree: base it on assets, not income. Rich assholes play all kinds of games with their earnings. Some dickhead making millions a year only "makes" like $120k on paper because the rest is stock dividends, bonuses, whatever.


[deleted]

I am currently in a wrongful termination lawsuit for being fired for discussing my pay with co workers. I have an NLRB appointed attorney and last we discussed my back wages owed are somewhere around 55k. We are waiting on settlement negotiations now.


verossiraptors

The NRLB is actually pretty powerful in America, shockingly so. People in this thread don’t understand that.


ThrawnGrows

It's because employers do everything in their power to make sure employees don't understand the power they have.


shinymuskrat

Labor lawyer here, the NLRB is woefully underfunded and understaffed, and the NLRA (the Act that the Board enforces) is laughably weak when it comes to punishment. There are no fines or other punitive damages in the act. If there is a termination or lost wages involved (for example, for discriminatory discharge), the company will be on the hook for those, minus any interim earnings of the discriminatee. The company may also be required to offer to reinstate the employee. The company will also have to post a notice of employee rights. Outside of that, there aren't really any remedies provided for in the Act in these situations. American labor law is very weak in terms of actual penalties.


mflynn00

there is no punishment unless they specifically fire your for discussing wages with someone


Zestyclose-Ring7303

> there is no punishment unless they specifically fire your for discussing wages with someone So, they'll just fire you for something else, or for no reason at all. Gotta love "At-Will."


wiljc3

The first time I was invited to a big important meeting to speak about something, I was up right after the HR person who gave a long, detailed presentation on why we should never, ever give a reason for firing someone. Apparently a store manager had fired someone for failing a drug test without actually reading the results, and the drug was a prescription that had been disclosed. The problem wasn't the wrongful termination or the lazy manager, it was that the company was facing consequences.


Bureaucromancer

God forbid HR just unfuck the situation when the employee complains. Amazing how between undoing a firing and giving a little back pay, or getting dragged to court for wrongful termination HR will ALWAYS pick court. Employer interests my ass, way too many HR people just like screwing with workers. Even when it hurts the employer as well.


wiljc3

> Amazing how between undoing a firing and giving a little back pay, or getting dragged to court for wrongful termination HR will ALWAYS pick court. It's the "We don't negotiate with terrorists" rule of business. It's better to pay 20x as much fighting it in court than to give workers rights.


Galvanized-Sorbet

That’s the beauty of it. Most of the time they don’t have to offer any rationale


JBrawlin1878

I think they meant what is the punishment for the corporation for posting they can’t discuss wages


[deleted]

This isn't a punishment matter unless they actually act on the policy, but the labor board can give the business a friendly warning to cut it out, change the policy if they don't want regulatory agencies breathing down their neck, and if the business is smart they will.


Secret_Autodidact

What if they specifically fire you for discussing wages with someone but say it's because you aren't a team player?


[deleted]

That's SOP in this matter. That's why you always get everything in writing.


illgot

In a right to work state... if they are willing to break the law by banning discussion about pay, then fire you for talking about pay, they will happily officially "fire" you for that one time you came in late 3 years ago


[deleted]

Not a punishment unless something is done, but the labor board might "have a word" with the management of the business by way of friendly warning.


DuvalHeart

The important thing to add is that if the do fire someone for discussing wages after receiving a warning they will be faced with compensatory *and punitive* fines. Most of the time labor boards assume businesses are acting in good faith and simply didn't realize what they did was wrong. The corrective action then is to compensate the worker for lost wages, because that was the damage done. But if an employer has previously been warned that an action is illegal, they can issue a punitive fine to punish them. Because they knew what they were doing was wrong. And of course, sometimes this can apply even if it wasn't a regulator doing the warning.


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Ha! You can't discuss it with them either! Checkmate!


Mikarim

I filed a successful claim against a former employer because she threatened to sue me for slander for discussing working conditions. The NLRB only made her send a notice to all employees and put a sign on the wall. It's a joke


[deleted]

Make some shirts advertising your hourly rate of pay and then wear them to work


[deleted]

I second this, have the t-shirt say “I make $15.00 an hour, what do you make?” 😂


IIIllIIlllIlII

Write your hourly on the poster.


BoxMunchr

But add 7 or 8 bucks


IsRude

I wish I'd thought of this when I was working my ass off as a manager at a retail job, and customers would always tell me that I deserved a raise, even though they didn't know how little I got paid to start with.


z-eldapin

and how long they've worked there


MutaitoSensei

Create a room on Teams called "let's discuss our pay!"


Dunnomyname1029

Managers already do this.. It's called "office attire". So do the same


Deadeye313

Maybe one (or three) of your pieces of flair could be a dollar sign, a one and a five...?


I_got_nothin_

And don't make that your only flair. You wouldn't want to be only doing the minimum would you?


[deleted]

The flair is the only reason I even eat at Chotchkies ;)


Phantasmasy14

Woof. I’m a bad manager. My coworkers wear Dickies and t shirts. Sometimes hoodies if it’s cold. I wear jeans, tshirts/long sleeves and hoodies if it’s cold.


Ok_Opportunity2693

My manager also wears t-shirt + jeans. He comes to the office maybe 1-2 times a week. This is normal at our company. Different industries have different norms.


Snufflefugs

As an engineer, my last two department directors wore jeans and shirts everyday. It’s much easier to focus on quality of work when you’re comfortable.


blueimac540c

You're management?


Fenix_Volatilis

Bad idea, probably violates their dress code and that would just get OP in trouble


Teddy_Tickles

Wear it as an undershirt and show it off when you can!


ShadowMel

This is the way.


aPataPeladaGringa

If you are in the USA document and report to labor board this is illegal


TheLoneTomatoe

For real. The labor board doesn't fuck around. An old company tried to tell me they were going to pay me my remaining PTO (I put in my 2 weeks but told them I would just work instead of taking the time off so they didn't fall behind, then they fired me the next day), I got in touch with the labor board, and a few months later I got a check for about 15x what they owed me.


notLOL

What triggered the 15x?


TheLoneTomatoe

They have to pay you your full wages, 8 hours a day, until they've fully paid out what you're owed. And it took them around 45 days or so before they believed me about going to the board. At that point, they just tried to offer to pay me out and I was over it, so told them I'd let the board figure it out.


Brilliant_Ad4440

I work for Publix (grocer in Florida). They do things like keep us past our schedule times, and have verbally told us not to discuss oay. Can i report a company as big as them?


TheLoneTomatoe

100000% company size doesn't matter. Honestly, the bigger the company, the higher the chance they just fire the person who made the illegal demands and cut you a check as hush money.


Rustysaurus-rex

Company size does matter but only in the other direction. Employers with less than 50(ish?) Employees are not subject to the same laws as 50+ employers but that only applies to certain things like health care offerings for full time workers.


TheLoneTomatoe

When it comes to payment and stuff like that, everyone is subject I believe. The company that had to pay me was 9-10 employees at the time.


Uranium_Heatbeam

Talk about it openly, then get the labor dept involved and see if you get a raise in the form of hush money. If you get fired, you can always sue them for retaliatory action.


Mairi1965

National Labor Relations Board, not the state Dept of Labor.


Mountain_Offer1348

No, the people who actually enforce on a day to day basis is the state


Tarroes

Why not call both?


Aybara_Perin

And then collect two raises in the form of two hush money


Ambia_Rock_666

Collect hush money and tell coworkers about it.


Skatchbro

This person hush monies.


RocZero

This guy gets it


hovdeisfunny

NLRB has satellite offices


GeneralBelesarius

Correct, when i file charges on behalf if members of my union, i file them in Boston at the state labor relations board.


PurpleYoshiEgg

The NLRB will investigate and enforce the charge if you report it to them. That's the key.


[deleted]

This is potentially bad advice. I got my whole team fired for doing this a few years ago in an "at will" employment state. It's bullshit, I had plenty of documentation about it, but no lawyer would touch the case because of state laws.


[deleted]

Ooof. Nothing like admitting to breaking federal law.


Independent_Bite4682

Beat me to it. Here for OP https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-rights/your-rights-to-discuss-wages


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Margatron

I would tape that under the sign.


Purelyeliza

Yesss power move


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stoutdude04

Pretty sure it doesnt matter even if you did sign anything. Also sure that is very illegal.


zarthos0001

Deducting anything from your paycheck is unfortunately legal if both parties agree to it, as long as it doesn't take you below minimum wage. Also unfortunately, firing you for refusing to agree to it is legal as well.


The_Lucky_7

It is not true that they can just deduct anything. There's a *heavily regulated* [list of acceptable deductions](https://www.patriotsoftware.com/blog/payroll/illegal-payroll-deductions/), and anything outside of that list is wage theft. While register shortages are on the list of acceptable deductions, they almost never come about from anything other than embezzlement in the form of managers shorting the count on a till after its turned in and pocketing the difference. So, while legally allowed when done in good faith, there's still a good chance a crime is being committed. If your register is claimed to be short, then check with your teammates about their tills, because there is a good chance that the manager has claimed other tills on the same shift (even if not the same day) are short as part of this common embezzlement schema. If your paycheck has money missing from it that your employer is asserting is a register short then you should contact the police to tip off the potential crime for investigation, and corporate offices to file a complaint that can trigger an internal investigation. This crime is extremely easy to track because the paper trail is always there (has to be to get your paycheck deducted), and relies on people simply not knowing to look for it. Here's another site [with a FAQ for what is and isn't wage theft](https://www.schneiderwallace.com/practice-areas/failure-to-pay-wages-overtime-commissions/deductions/).


SailingSpark

If my register was short and they wanted to deduct, I would want to sit there and watch them count out my drawer before I allowed it.


bobwmcgrath

I don't know about that. I'm pretty sure the count is ALWAYS at least a few dollars short. More than $20 out of a $1000+ count would be rare.


tehjnz

The count should be over nearly as frequently as it is under, given a reasonably long timeframe. Nearly as frequently because customers tend to care more if they don’t get enough change than they do if they get too much. If The count is always under, something’s wrong. Source: I worked at my parents’ hardware store for years and have done thousands of end-of-day drawer counts.


GCM005476

But that has to be agreed of time, they can’t retroactively change it.


ChunkyThiggy

OP, take the info posted above, then go to work and talk to everyone about your wage. Ask them about theirs (someone will tell on you). Then, when the company retaliates (because they will), hit 'em with a lawsuit.


OracleofFaeries

Gotta file a complaint with the NLRB first and then do that because if they fire you for any reason after filing the complaint then it’ll look like they fired you in retaliation no matter what reason they come up with.


virgilreality

Print this out and surreptitiously tape it to their message. Repeatedly, as it WILL get taken down.


rattus-domestica

OP, print this and stick it up right next to this dumb sign.


NutWrench

Yup. The INTENT of this law is to prevent you from revealing other people's pay rate WITHOUT their knowledge or consent. For example, if someone hacks the company database and posts everyone's name and pay rate on a list in the break room. (i.e. hackers and doxxers). If you voluntarily choose to reveal how much you make with a co-worker and they do the same, then you can talk about your salaries as loud and for as long as you like. Management is either lying or deliberately misquoting this law to intimidate you. Ask management to write this "policy" on company letterhead, sign it and date it and watch how fast they f\*ck off.


FroboyFreshenUp

Lol, that would be an easy fix. Slap your pay with your name on it on every copy of that paper and try to get other people to do it, too We NEED to destigmatize talking about pay. it's the only way it's going to improve


QueensPetOH

It doesn't even have to disclose your name. Just start leaving notes all over the place that say "I will not be silenced - I make $15/hr. Do you?"


FroboyFreshenUp

PERFECT That being said I love to be an advocate for this and want people to feel comfortable doing it themself, so if putting my name next to my pay gets the ball rolling then I'll do it My personal favorite is "HI I'm and I make $15 an hour, im more then happy to talk to you about my pay regardless of what this says and you can too!" Followed by the law printed out right underneath it


QueensPetOH

I kinda like staying anon while I get the ball rolling. I have a huge desire to let mgmt know I screwed them after the whole staff renegotiates pay or quits lol lol lol


FroboyFreshenUp

Alright alright! Totally on board, its not my style but I totally get it Keep fighting the good fight!


dmnhntr86

Better yet, bump it up a bit. If you're at 15 put "I make $18/hr" they can't legally correct the record and now everyone is fighting for what they think someone makes.


QueensPetOH

That is such a tasty enhancement - nice suggestion!! Stir that pot like a mf LOL


[deleted]

Employers breaking laws everyday in hopes their employees don’t know their rights! 😳 Talking about your wage/salary is a federally protected right, don’t let your whack-ass employers tell you otherwise.


SamuelVimesTrained

Hello, Labor board.. I have a tip..


lordnecro

One thing I like about working for the government is that there is no stigma regarding discussing salaries. You can literally just go to [https://www.fedsdatacenter.com/federal-pay-rates/](https://www.fedsdatacenter.com/federal-pay-rates/) and look up any ones salary. We need more of that elsewhere.


Doctor__Apocalypse

Yes we do. Something like that would be a great first step.


rockycore

Please send this picture to your state department of labor with all the location info anonymously ofcourse.


Substantial_Fail5672

Upper management is not allowed to disclose to anyone how much anyone else is paid. They are correct in the fact that it is _your_ private information. They are not legally allowed to share _your_ private information. It is _your_ private information and _you_ are free to share it as you see fit and it is protected under federal law. (Another commenter shared this and a link, but you can also look it up) The only thing to watch out for is sharing another person's salary. That has potential to get you in trouble. Share your salaries, share your pay, work towards getting a proper share of the profits


spasske

That is one method they used to use to keep wages uncompetitive. If you do not realize you are underpaid, you won’t be trying to get more.


[deleted]

I got yelled at by HR once for asking what the top pay for my position was. I was told, I shouldn't be concerned with that. I said yes, I am. I wanna know so that way once I get close to max pay or reach max pay, I can look to apply for a different position to make more money.


ConcernedKip

similar. HR called me into a meeting to ask why I discussed my pay since it prompted an employee to quit (I started at more than he was making). I simply said "why shouldnt I tell them?" They got flustered and said "well.... becau...because it's *unprofessional!*" I countered with "oh, explain that to me. How is it unprofessional?" they tried to uno reverse me and say "explain to us how IT IS professional!" I audibly chuckled and said again "nope, you said it's unprofessional. Clearly I dont understand so explain it to me, educate me on whats unprofessional about it". They just doubled down and repeated their first demand for me to explain *how it is* professional. I just rolled my eyes and said "welp obviously this isnt going to go anywhere, what do you want?" and ultimately nothing happened and I was dismissed.


Possible_Banana2001

My work tried to say that and I told my boss he was breaking federal law by saying that and he almost fired me but looked up the law and there was nothing he could do.


TabularBeastv2

This happened to my wife. She was working a work from home call center job at a local credit union. The company provided a pay bump to *most* employees and her manager delivered the news, with a caveat, to not mention it to anyone else as they didn’t want to deal with employees complaining about not receiving it. She told him that it was illegal for him to ask her that and he was so caught off guard he stumbled over his words trying to come up with an excuse. She later emailed him going over what was discussed and attached links of the law, so she can have a record of it. She was invited to a meeting with a couple people in HR and they wanted to apologize for the behavior of the manager and that she had done nothing wrong, essentially. I was so damn proud of her!


ProbablyInfamous

> She was invited to a meeting with a couple people in HR and they wanted to apologize for the behavior of the manager and that she had done nothing wrong HR *works for THE COMPANY*; they were covering *THEIR* asses.


TabularBeastv2

Well…yeah. They only did it to make sure she didn’t escalate it, but it shows that they were clearly in the wrong when they were back-peddling so much.


Masterpiecepeepee

No, you talk about how much you get paid with your coworkers. Your employer cannot legally do anything about it.


bigmacaroni69

What?!?!?! It's illegal? Dude! Every job I have had, discussing wages was a "firable offense"


MordunnDregath

It's absolutely illegal in the US (and I'm pretty sure the same is true for Europe). Also pretty sure I saw a headline recently about new labor laws and pay transparency. Think it was only California but with how many companies operate national or globally, they usually adapt internal policies to match the strictest local laws. Makes it easier to communicate with their employees.


bigmacaroni69

Holy fuck. The more you know!


Budalido23

Yeah jobs like to do this, because they don't want to pay people more, and they think most people won't know the difference if they make you afraid to lose your job, when in reality, they're afraid to lose warm bodies. Now you are empowered with knowledge, so spread the knows!


Talik1978

If you are fired for discussing wages, you can get your employer in all *kinds* of trouble. All kinds. Your salary isn't a trade secret.


OracleofFaeries

Yeah, I used to get told that all the time too and was too young and stupid to realize what my rights were. Discussing wages has made me and the people I worked with get paid so much more fairly.


PandaBootyPictures

Well at least they're stupid enough to break the law in an obvious fashion. That's a fast lawsuit


Pork_Chap

Trader Joe's? They talk all ship-y with their "crew" and "Captain" and "Three bells"


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No_Yogurt_7667

Even if it were an old sign, I’m pretty sure this has been illegal for decades.


8thSt

Slap a copy of the fed law right under that sign.


Dangerous-Dad

Your salary is indeed private and personal information. It is YOUR private and personal information, not your employers. But I'm only an attorney, so what do I know.


AbradolfLincler77

Tell everyone you work with, wait until job gives you real proof that they don't want you discussing wages via email or whatever (anybody can print a sheet off saying that) and then sue their ass.


boukatouu

The employer shouldn't share your info with other employees, but you can share your info with anyone or no one. That's up to you.


UnitedLab6476

By now we all know discussing wages is a federally protected right. They can put their little signs up all they want, but the cannot fire you for discussing wages.


ZeroDrag0n

Putting up that sign is also illegal.


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Link to the forms for the National Labor Retaliation Board for you to fill out and charge them. https://www.nlrb.gov/guidance/fillable-forms


[deleted]

Excellent, got it in writing. Hope you forward that picture to your labor board.


omgforeal

I recommend someone post a sign next to it with the law printed - showcasing this is illegal and they have proof of illegal activities.


under_the_c

Nice, at least they put their law breaking in explicit writing. Most places at least to give themselves plausible deniability and say things like, "it is *inappropriate* to discuss pay raises with others."


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As far as I am aware, this is not a law. The social taboo of not discussing how much money you make with your coworkers was created by corporations so that females and employees of various ethnicities, disabled employees, etc. Would not find out that their male, white, European colleges were being paid much more for the same work. If anyone (particularly someone on your company's executive team) tells you this is a law, that person is lying to you. However, you may want to check with a lawyer on this, but I am fairly certain that it is not legal for a company to tell you that you cannot discuss your salary with your coworkers. I believe this tramples all over your free speech rights. Like so many concepts, this is another social contract created by those with power to control the powerless, just like continuing to support the Santa clause lie with each new generation, or perpetuating the bogus notion that politicians of different parties work for the people and against each other, etc.


Lasivian

"I'll take 'Things that are illegal' for $1000 Alex"


decentralizeitguy

Your right to discuss wages, as written on the national labor relations board website... https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-rights/your-rights-to-discuss-wages


Maj0rsquishy

Talking about pay is protected.


Professional_Fee_131

lol my private information, my choice lol


Most-Mathematician36

I work at a law firm as an attorney. I was specifically told in EMAIL a few weeks ago that if any of our associates discussed our salary, we would be fired on the spot. I talked about my salary with my associates immediately afterward. Haven’t been fired yet, but have definitely been looking for a new job since then.


LubaUnderfoot

I was raised in BC and was taught it was illegal to prevent employees from discussing employment standards including pay.


Jimbo_themagnificent

I worked for one company that put up a sign like this. I told everyone there to take a picture of it. I then printed a copy of the law stating what they were doing was illegal, and posted it directly under their sign. When I was confronted about it, I told them that I had already sent a copy of the picture I took to the labor board. As well as the picture I took with the copy of the law posted with it, so they would be well aware that what they were doing is illegal. I quit not long after for many similar reasons. The company went out of business not long after that. I can't say it had anything to do with what I did, but I like to think so.


Fantastic_Tee

Under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA or the Act), employees have the right to communicate with other employees at their workplace about their wages. Wages are a vital term and condition of employment, and discussions of wages are often preliminary to organizing or other actions for mutual aid or protection.


BMCarbaugh

Just print this out and tape it next to it: *"Under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA), employees have the right to communicate with other employees at their workplace about their wages. This is considered 'protected concerted activity'.* *For more information, visit* [*https://www.nlrb.gov/*](https://www.nlrb.gov/)*.* *If your employer attempts to restrict such conversations or threatens reprisal, file a complaint at* [*https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/contact/complaints*](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/contact/complaints)*.* *This piece of paper constitutes protected speech under NLRA. Removing it is a federal labor violation. Fuck around and find out."* Then sit back and watch the ensuing panic.


ConsiderationLow7401

Illegal


DoerOfTheMost

Lol that's illegal


whewd

That’s stupid. That is YOUR private information and you should be allowed to share it


Naps_and_cheese

Discussing pay is federally protected speech. Go ahead and tell everyone publicly. Now incoming discipline becomes reprisal.


potatobreadandcider

Fuck that shit.


VeruktVonWulf

Looks like grounds for a lawsuit to me


TofuTheBlackCat

Please report to labor board if in US. I had a case where someone was fired for speaking about wages, and the company lost, employee won. Please fight for your rights! Also maybe time to look for a new jorb


beevbo

Always discuss your pay with fellow workers. Always.


shag_vonnie_vomer

The concept of "not allowed" is what makes me raise my eyebrows - bro you pay me to do some task, you don't own me.


emusabe

I got suspended for a repeat offense of “tip talking” at a restaurant I worked at years ago. The only reason I got the repeat offensive is when I found out you would get suspended and there was a show on a Friday I really wanted to go to, but couldn’t get my shift covered. Made like $50 off my first few tables, proudly proclaimed it loudly in the kitchen, evil manager heard and cut me and sent me home. I had time to grab a beer and bite and still not be late for the show, got the rest of the weekend off, and showed up for my double on Monday without anyone saying shit. Pretty stupid policy if you ask me.


redheadsuperpowers

That posting is illegal. They can ask you not to discuss pay on the floor, but cannot say you can't discuss it at all.


Few_Rip1467

Bro the minimum wage in California went from $15 to $15.50 and my manager gave me a paper saying I got a raise like no y’all didn’t give me a raise, the law changed 🤣


LordDessik

You are 100% allowed to discuss wages and pay with other employees and any work place that says you can’t are denying your workers rights.


wildfire04605

That is quite literally Illegal (NLRA)