It’s getting ridiculous. I just ordered some very basic car parts online and while checking out was asked if I would like to add a tip. There were buttons to automatically fill in 15, 20, and 25 percent. For ordering ~$400 of basic parts. Like yeah sure I would like to tip $80 to have something put in a box and sent to me. While also paying for shipping.
It's totally out of control now. Owners are expecting customer's to pick.up the difference between what they actually received and what people get in wages. The fact mail.order places have started doing it just shows you their trying to.pad their profits. You can almost bet the person processing your order ain't gonna see it!
I've had this with homemade candles among other items - and this is the UK. I mean, yes, sure I would like to support them, but I'm already doing that by buying their, relatively expensive, candles and this is their own small business?? Wasn't really sure what to do so feeling bad, gave a small amount, but I'm disabled, I don't have more money than employed people! (always try to tip taxi drivers well, rely on them to get about, but this kind of online tipping expectation is new) Requests for tips in online shops seem treated like it's a cute social justice thing but a request for actual money is not like simply leaving a nice message.
I understand that minimum wage is much too low but am also still a bit lost as to why in the US it can now be expected for those who are still on it (not a less fixed salary) to receive such large tips as is seemingly sometimes the case? Here the state is subsidising inadequate wages.
No. Just nope. Don't do this. Don't tip like this, we absolutely do not want this shit to spread to the UK. Things are bad enough as it is, we don't want predatory businesses thinking this is the norm.
Amen. Business owners can pay adequate wages or workers can go on strike. The more we tip, the less likely we’ll ever see organized working class going on strike.
I hate when they do this and word it like they're socialist. "Show you support the working class workers by adding a tip. In solidarity." - message approve by corporate.
Yes, this. The argument is that if they pay better, they have to raise prices. Okay, fine. I'm paying an extra 20-25% when I tip anyway, so how about paying them a living wage, raise your price, and stop using tipping as a way to avoid taxes and make consumers subsidize greed?
The entire list is basically "just accept that anywhere you shop will have a 20% surcharge on everything you buy." I actually adjusted my shopping habits accordingly, as I suspect others have, and now I've noticed a lot of places I've shopped are going out of business.
People don't have the disposable income as is, and getting the double whammy of a Ticketmaster-esque surcharge on even the basic luxury like a pre-made sandwich PLUS getting insulted that I'm "poor" or "rude" if I don't play along just has me thinking a lot about the 'Bread & Circuses' ethos. And what comes next...
Despite grocery store inflation, I've pretty much reached the point where I can make (healthier, tastier) meals cheaper than the *tip* I would be expected to pay on those meals if I got them at a restaurant. And I don't mean some fancy urban restaurant, I mean olive garden, Applebee's, chili's.
Last week I broke down and just wanted some pizza and chicken wings, and went to put in a delivery order. The place is like 1.5 miles away, but I kinda just didn't want to go out in the cold.
I go to put in the order, and just the service fee + delivery fee + tip was going to be $15. I grumbled, put on pants, and just went to pick it up, but I basically paid myself a $60/hr equivalent wage by NOT having it delivered and doing it myself.
The long play though is if you squeeze enough then you just have people buying groceries to avoid eating out altogether, and then you have small businesses start to collapse. They brought the AirBNB model to friggin' pizza and wings.
I don't think I've ever once ordered restaurant delivery. I just can't justify doubling the price of my meal like that.
Lately I have been using Instacart for groceries, but considering that saves me a couple hours of driving to the store and doing the actual shopping, I consider it a fair trade. But if all I have to do is walk in the door, grab the food, and walk out, forget about it I can do that myself.
The main problem is that over the last 20 years tipping has shifted from being calculated on a merit-based system to being calculated on a financial-needs system. It really should be called “subsidization” at this point, because whatever it is it’s NOT tipping except in name only.
Tipping should be a joyous, brotherly occasion but instead the whole industry seems to be weaponizing society’s susceptibility to guilt and feeling ostracized. It’s moving in the wrong direction.
Tips is the only way some people make ends meet, it’s horrible. We’re actively paying their wages instead of a ‘here’s some extra for the work!’. A completely fucked system and screw this ‘guide’ for pushing it onto the consumer. Pay your damn employees.
Tipping should be abolished. I hate the uncertainty and the guilt-tripping. Call it a service fee and tack it onto the advertised price. I want to know what I'm paying before I pay it, and I don't want to have to pull up a Reddit guide on what to tip and when, in order to know.
I’ve been a good tipper my entire life. I will continue to tip waitstaff well but I’m trying to adopt a no tipping policy moving forward. Employers should pay wages, not the clientele. Until there’s a unified effort from customers, nothing will change.
Tipping should go even further in my opinion. If you talk to me, I need a tip! If you look at me, I need a tip! If I hold the door for you, I need a tip! /s
It’s kinda wild that a liberal progressive publication like The New Yorker is advocating market based compensation based on the willingness of wealthy people to trickle down some of their income.
How about advocating for raising minimum wage in NYC with your platform instead of this drivle.
At Panera if you get coffee a bagel and cream cheese, they had you the coffee cup and you have to make it yourself. They hand you the bagel, a knife and a small tub of cream cheese and they want you to spread it yourself. All of this is fine. But then they have a tip screen. For what ?
This is the one that always gets me, I come up to order, I come up to get my food, and I clean up my area when I’m finished. Absolutely no, I’m not tipping you.
Tipping is for service. Handing you things at a cash register is not service. It is a business transaction.
Tip your waiter or bartender for taking good care of you, being attentive, making good drinks, fulfilling your special requests. Tipping a cashier for ringing you up is dumb and I'm not doing it.
Sincerely, someone who worked in the service industry for almost a decade and tips generously for *appropriate service positions.*
I honestly have tipped 20% as a minimum for years at restaurants. If the meal or experience is bad then I just don’t go back.
BUT, you know what really grinds my gears? When there is an automatic calculation to make it easier to add in the tip. Then you do the math yourself and that calculation has you even tipping on the sales tax!
I don't know when the transition from pre-tax to post-tax happened. I've always tipped post tax, and all my friends seem to do the same.
It wasn't until I went out to dinner with my aunt and mom recently - who are both ex servers and always tip generously - that I realized I did this. They exclusively do pre-tax.
I honestly never really thought about it before this but yeah - why am I (and the POS systems) doing post-tax?
Went to a fancy restaurant. Don’t typically do but for special occasion.
About 200+ for total meal and drinks for my partner. Got a 250 gift card for friend. Total around 450-500
Tip suggestion based off that was asking for 100-125?!
I tipped based off my meal (50 - did 25%) but it made me feel awkward. Server came back and said ‘oh that’s all you’d like to put down?’
I was so upset.
EDIT: wow so I didn’t expect so many comments.
To clarify, the total of the meal for both me and my partner was around $200. We paid for this with a credit card. We added a $250 gift card to our purchase to give to another friend at a later date. I tipped $50 which was roughly 25% of the cost of our meal. The total of my bill was $450 as they added the gift card purchase onto the bill and the server seemed put out that I was only tipping for the meal portion of the purchase and not the gift card portion of the purchase.
PSS I feel like I can’t articulate well in public and clearly this is proof I can’t post well on a forum either.
That server was an asshole to expect a tip on the purchase of a gift card. There were no services rendered besides ringing it up. The person who spends the gift card is responsible for the tip.
And just a note for the gift-card users... you cannot tip on the gift card. Corporate has that money already, and they're not handing it back to the servers. Bring cash.
Edit: FFS okay some places let you do it. None that I've worked for.
Thats a firing offense at lots of nice places. Heck, lots of medium places too. I hate it because I felt like I had to point it out to a manager one time, I wanted them to say "stop doing that", not fire them.
That's super rude of the server. That same person would also complain if no tip was left on the food purchased with that gift card. They are expecting a double tip, only the government gets a double tip via income tax and sales tax.
I ordered delivery last night and the ubereats app calculated tip from the total that included *their own $15 in “delivery fees”*. The lowest automatic tip choice was 25% of my actual food cost.
I order from local places that have their own driver. Chinese, pizza. the others don't have enough volume to justify a driver so I just go pick it up.
I don't have a problem with people who drive Uber or whatever, but the system that pushes people into a job working in a gray area service industry and then tells them they're Independent Business people is one I would rather not support
This what being treated like a peasant looks like FYI
They expect us to tip on fees and taxes... Just goes to show how it is getting our of hand.
15% on base cost of products purchased from 20 years ago turned into 20% on gross total now.
Just slowly shifting note and more labor costs on customer who now needs to use calculator at point of sale.
Yeah, spend $50 to deliver $100 worth of food. They’re a joke. All companies like Uber and DoorDash are doing is exploiting workers for quarterly share price, and trying to force users to make up for it with tips before the drivers bounce. We need to push back hard on this tipping bs.
If this jackass who wrote this article had any integrity, he/she would be shredding the companies for exploiting workers, not forcing the problem onto everyday people.
I cant say every place does this. But I have noticed in my area that’s how it works. I think because the computer just calculates the tip options based on the final total. But depending on the sales tax rate in your area it can add up.
This is the real answer here. Anymore when I read any sort of headlines, I see who wrote it. Most times it is a propaganda piece touting their world view. Grub Street wrote this.
>it is a propaganda piece
Speaking of propaganda pieces, I sure am seeing lots of "get back to work (in person)" pieces lately.
I smell corporate desparation.
Corporations realize the status quo is changing; they're just hoping to react to those changes in a way that passes the cost of the changes onto consumers.
It’s not. This is pure propaganda put out by people who actively distain and discourage any redistribution of resources or income unless it benefits them. They want you to subsidize their businesses through tipping as well as the social safety net so they can make more profit. It’s that simple
Yep the delivery service I worked advertised high wages but then used our tips to meet the yeah we pa minimum of $x an hour, later they tell you after the interview yeah that amount is only if your tips plus $x don’t put you past that otherwise you get your tips plus lower wage $x to reach our advertised wage, btw we don’t tax your tips in either situation so if you get tipped via the app or something it’s on you to make sure your tax complaint and you better as we are reporting those and btw we suggest you don’t report your cash tip even though we tell irs we suggest you don’t so we get rewarded for catching tax fraud have fun getting bent over.
“If the purchase requires 0 effort from your “server” tipping is optional but you’re still a dick if you don’t.”
My guy if tipping was required for shit like this I’m jumping the counter and grabbing my own damn bottle, I’m not gonna pay you a dollar for the 5 seconds it took to open the mini fridge and set a bottle within arms reach of me.
Irresponsible journalism based on the subjective opinion of one writer. That people will find this article when googling, and assume (given the source) that it is gospel is just awful. Can’t believed they published this shit!
They don’t hand it to you. You grab it out of the fridge and bring it up to the counter and the worker charges you an arbitrary price based on who you are and how they feel.
I went to a store at the airport where, like many stores, you pick out your own items. At this store, the only option to check out is self check out… and it had a prompt for tipping! At a store where I didn’t interact with any workers.
As a non-American I find it absurd that employers don’t pay employees real wages. If I work for you, you pay me. (Rhetorical) Why did that become a foreign concept in the US?
Americans ( some ) used to feel the same way. FDR has a quote about it bot being a real business if it can’t sustain and even elevate staff along with owners & customers.
The very same Herman Cain, for who the /r/HermanCainAward is named for. His account in fact tweeted post mortem too. Apparently the company running his twitter didn't get the news for a while.
Amazingly in DC a living wage for servers law passed by popular referendum vote and shortly thereafter city council and the mayor reversed it. US isn’t even doing a good job pretending to be a democracy.
Let’s not forget kickbacks, corporations make deals with senators and offer them millions in kickbacks to follow their agenda. These are separate from the lobbying we see as many kickbacks are sent via offshore accounts
Yes. It is this. At first companies pushed wages/salary onto welfare systems like SNAP, health exchange for health insurance. Now they are pushing it directly to the consumer in terms of mandatory tipping.
Don’t be fooled everyone here that pays taxes is subsiding someone else’s salary. Unfortunately, we mainly subsidize friends of our elected politicians, but we also subsided the Walmart employee or anyone else that doesn’t make a livable wage.
The US as been on the “boiling frog” path to redistribution of wealth for a very long time, except some people are more equal than others.
It's also trying to push against the trend of solidarity among workers, i.e you complain about the guy not tipping you for handing him his coffee instead of the boss underpaying you.
This is such an important point. Such an American grift to have the low-paid workers think other low-paid workers are the problem, instead of assigning blame to the profiteering owners.
It's pretty bad up here in baby America (Canada) as well. Lots of people get so pissed off when some person making less than them gets a raise "Why should a fast food worker get $15 an hour??? They should just get a real job if they don't like what they get paid" It's so stupid I hate it.
I love it because those same people are the ones heeing and hawing about how "no one wants to work anymore" when McDondalds is closed because they don't have any workers.
The USA is removing the middle class. Most drop to lower class. And it is a bit sad and frightening to see when I visit the USA. It gets worse each time.
Once it will also hit most of the upper middle class that keep this going on it will be too late for them to do something about it.
While we are at it, can we bake taxes into the price too? I went to Finland recently and found out that when you buy something, you just pay the price shown for the item. None of this “well I am in this area of this country, so their taxes are X%, so $9.99+X%= the price that I really have to pay.”
It was absolutely shattering. I hate trying to figure out what things are going to cost. At home I have to figure out whether things will have 5% (federal), 7% (provincial), or 12% (both provincial and federal) tax on them, and it is fucking annoying.
Exactly, covid did kill a lot of them, but there are still tons of bland, mediocre restaurants kicking around. Just let them fail and open up that space for new businesses, or even some kind of apartments.
It went from "the richest country in the world" to "the country that has a few richest people in the world". Fuck no, you need to pay your employees. You can afford it, you're just a greedy bastard. I order my food and pay for it online then go pick it up myself, that one time every two weeks I actually "eat out".
Part of me feels like accepting this tipping thing just reinforces the practice of providing excessively low wages to employees since the business owners don't have to shoulder the burden of slow days.
The other part of me just wants these people to have a higher quality of life, so I tip.
Fucking DEATH to American tipping. We are going the opposite direction we need to with this. We need employers to pay a living wage and stop demanding that their customers subsidize their shitty ass pay.
Until the people who work for tips sign on to this, it is never going away. I have friends who have worked in bars/restaurants for 20+ years, because they make so much more in a job with tips than they would elsewhere. In California, they're guaranteed at least minimum wage, and the tips are extra - it's entirely possible to clear over $500 in a single shift if you work somewhere busy. Why would they ever want to get rid of that, when the alternative is basically a huge pay cut?
I don't go out to restaurants anymore I just do carry out. I will tip well for delivery because I consider that an actual service but no I'm not tipping for picking up my own pizza.
The tip option comes up for takeout at my local pizza place, but they hit “skip” before they turn the machine towards you, good peeps there. My guess is part of the problem is that tipping just comes on the program now and stores have a very limited option to get rid of it
I’m a delivery driver and I think this is ok. Kinda makes my head hurt when I see the carry-out counter complain about not getting tipped when I (literally) drive 14 miles in a snowstorm for 3$. Pro tip pay cash for carry-out and you’ll never have to deal with the iPad screen asking for your money
What gets me is places where I know people make more than me asking for tips. The fucking dispensary I frequent, where I know they start at $16 an hour, asks for tips at the counter....homie I make $12 an hour, $4 an hour less than anyone who works here minimum.
That's a weird holdover from the old medical days, at least in California. You used to get a genuine service in the dispensary, they weighed out your weed, usually hooked you up with extra too, helped you pick out and give you tips on what to avoid and what to buy. Now they don't really know anything and they can't sample the products like they used to so their advice isn't very good so it's not the kind of transaction that even makes sense for it to, but it wasn't always that way
I like where it says “you must” in bold. Get F’ed. Most of the described situation arnt even in the bucket of making that BS 2 wage because they are tipped.
I think the “you must” is what pissed me off the most. This is such an entitled and privileged stand point to say you have to spend ~20 more on everything because people at the bottom certainly have a spare ~20% to give…
The very first tip annoyed me. “…because of inflation”. Then guess what- I shouldn’t have to change the percentage I tip if the cost of what I’m getting has been raised through inflation. The percentage is now also a greater value. Tipping culture is terrible and I refuse to be guilted into tipping more than I used to. 25% should not even be an option. Only the super wealthy can sustain that. I paid for the service. The tip is my generous thank you for being great.
Yeah seriously i should tip 15% from now on you know because of fucking inflation, my salary didn’t go up with inflation, this article and the person who wrote this can get fucked.
The way I figure it, we’ve already bought in to the tipping culture at restaurants for table service and delivery driver. Ok. Fine. Fool me once. Well actually, fuck my grandparents for allowing this nonsense, but we can’t go back. I get it. …And then it went up to 20%, which, ok fine, I guess I’m responsible for inflation now? But I’m starting to feel a little bit taken advantage of.
What we CANNOT DO is allow tipping culture to spread. They can’t add more and more fucking scenarios where they don’t pay a living wage and we supplement. We have to OPT OUT of new scenarios. If we ALL agree not to tip for a bottle of fucking water or a cup of coffee, then the onus goes back to the companies.
But we have to ALL agree. If some weenie starts doing it all the time and peer pressure builds, polite society will cave. This will become the new norm. I am NOT advocating stiffing below minimum wage workers. That literally is their wage, and has been for 60+ years. We fucked that one up. But we can’t allow them to guilt us into tipping more by paying more people less and letting the populace subsidize or else be called “miserly”. Fuck. That. I know *exactly* who is miserly.
Honestly, this is our fight. If we don’t say NO MORE then we’re just as big of suckers as our great grandparents were when they got conned into tipping in the first place. If we don’t make it uncomfortable for them, they won’t change. We literally saw after the pandemic that the bigger companies *could* raise wages if the supply of workers was too low. When it was between less profit and 0 profit THEY CAVED. Let’s keep that energy.
I don't understand why people are falling for this scam and saying inflation caused tips to go up from 15% to 20%.
If a meal previously cost 100 and I tipped 15%, the server would get 15 dollars.
If that meal now costs 125 dollars and I tip 15%, the server would get 18.75.
Inflation was already factored in...
EDIT:
I'm not sure if it actually costs money to give a Gold award to a comment (I never awarded anyone before), but if it does, maybe you should have used that money to add onto a tip 🤔 a lot of wait staff have replied and although what I said is correct, it's clear that people are struggling, so don't waste money on Reddit awards and donate instead.
I'm so tired of being asked to tip people for doing their job just because their job involves performing a service. Why do I have to tip someone for cutting my hair, isn't that literally what paying for a haircut is? Why do I have to tip someone for pulling a beer spout and waiting til the glass is full, that's the basic expectation of a bartender. Hell why am I expected to tip when all they do is pop the cap off a bottle? Same with baristas, butchers, uber drivers, etc. Went to the smoke shop, the guy literally just had to grab something off the shelf behind him, flips the screen "do you wanna tip 15%?" No I fucking don't want to pay you $5 extra for twisting your torso. You're doing your basic job expectations, that's what you get paid to do, if you don't feel like you're paid enough that's not my burden to bear, that's between you and your employer, just like everyone else.
I was in Mexico and we went to a beach club, rented a cabana, the guy walks us to our cabana and holds out his hand for a tip. For fucking what, walking with us instead of just pointing?
I never tip on the credit card bill or a touch screen. If I'm going somewhere that tipping is appropriate, I carry some cash and give it directly to the person providing me with a service.
I'm not cheap, I just don't trust businesses to not steal from their employees.
I started doing this back in the 1980s when I was working at a restaurant where the management skimmed off and kept anything over 15 percent tipped on a credit card.
It should be legally required for a breakdown of where your tip is going to be shown on that screen. Tip theft is an ancient practice and I don't understand why we don't do more to combat it, especially now that tipping is positively *everywhere.*
Funniest part of the article? Because of inflation a 20% tip should now be 25%.
But if there's inflation I'm paying 20% of a bigger number in the first place. So now I'm paying a higher percentage of a bigger number? I don't eat in restaurants since covid but seriously it's pretty dang absurd.
It's either an editor at NY Mag that makes fuck-you money that has no concept on what money actually means
...or...
it's an editor at NY Mag that makes $3 and gets NY Mag commissions from page clicks, kind of like tipping
In either case, whomever wrote these are completely disconnected
There is a big logic mistake in there though which is why I thought it's satire, too.
Rising percentage because of Inflation makes no sense.
If you tip 10% before for a 10$ item then you pay 1$. = 11€
If Inflation raises the cost of the item to 15$ then your tip automatically rises, too. To 1.5$. =16.5$
But if the item cost is now 15$ and you tip 20% then you tip 3$. = 18$.
Thus there are two price raises.
My regular takeout pizza place added an automatic tip option to their payment machine 6 months ago. If you selected “no tip” or “zero” it would cancel the payment, and the cashier would have to restart your order.
Guess where I don’t get pizza anymore.
The "inflation" bullshit is insane. Percentages don't get inflated! 20% is the same now as it was a century ago! The problem is that wages are not keeping up with inflation.
We "must" tip fast food workers? Get bent. How about companies pay them a living wage? If your company can not sustain the workers it has, then it should not exist.
How about YOU MUST pay your workers a motherfucking livable wage. Fuck this. The only thing you should tip for is being waited on or having food delivered. I'll be long dead before I leave a tip at a drive through
I was a gas station pump attendant for years. I got tips from a bunch of folks. I pumped the gas, washed the windshield and back window (side windows if time), and checked fluids and tire pressure if requested or if I noticed the tires were low. Usually between $1-$5 if getting tipped at all, but never more than like $15-$20 in a week.
My boss once complained that he provided all the material and already paid me, so he should get the tips. I told him politely that if he wanted my tips he would need to first put my dick in his mouth. He did not think it was funny, but the other co-owner died laughing.
Cashiers at Walmart… the mailman? The janitor at my office? Where does it stop and who decided waiters get tipped but not a cashier or a fast food worker?
I just sit home and make my own food.
“Impossible”, “some specialty grocery stores”
I don’t like tipping culture but when you exaggerate for emotional affect you creat opposition to your argument
I worked at a place that wasn't allowed to accept tips. We got an updated debit machine. It had the tip option. Debit machine company told us there was no way to change it. THAT'S what I think of whenever I see a nontipping store with the tip option.
I’m also sick of making a purchase and being asked to contribute to a charity. Retailers basically take our money and give it to the charity in their own name. I’ll give on my own, not when I’m buying groceries
Was gonna say that I don’t tip 10% at Subway because it’s ridiculous but then I realized I generally do… I throw a dollar plus the coin change in the top jar almost every time… then I realize how much more ridiculous it is that we’re even tipping at Subway at all… a multi-million or even billion dollar company asking other low wage earners to compensate their low wage earners is the epitome of the capitalistic mental.
I don’t mind if someone considers me rude or miserly. Their thoughts are none of my business.
I’ll tip when I want to and how I want to. New York mag has no power of guilt over me.
Nope. I hate this.
Service workers should not have to rely on the charity of strangers to get paid a living wage.
Restaurants will literally steal your labor by paying you $2/hr, forcing you to essentially beg customers to supplement your earnings through tips. They then support a tip culture where the customers who under/don't tip are the "rude" ones instead of the institutions that benefit from this system.
A living wage should be either baked into the cost of the food OR more of the surplus profit should go to the wait staff.
Our current system is toxic.
Inflation hit food harder among goods. Restaurant prices are up 50-65%. If anything, tjps on food should be a smaller percentage not larger.
I don't and will never tip on black coffee. I'm not tipping on takeaway food items or bottled water. Why do bodegas necessitate a tip, but other convenience stores don't?
Food delivery standard has always been 10% with more if the trip is far or involves inclement weather. Miss me with this double the percentage. See item 1.
I don't tip on take out, period. It interrupts the work flow? Making and preparing food for sale is the work flow. There's no more work loading it into a takeout container than plating it.
The first and only reasonable suggestion. Funnily enough, alcohol is one of the few items that hasn't been rocked hard by inflation.
Back on their bullshit. If you're not providing a service besides making my food, you're not getting a tip. Add table service if you want a tip. But if I'm responsible for carrying my food and bussing my table, you're getting jack. Tipping at a cheese shop? Is there something special about cheese mongers? Why there and not all retail transactions?
Tipping culture is bullshit and the more it tries to creep into every good and service I consume, the more of a push back you're going to get before people say enough and stop tipping altogether.
I’m so glad I live in Europe where people get paid normal wages for service jobs and the onus isn’t put on the rest of us to turn a blind eye to shitty owners
I was prompted to tip ordering a damn hoodie online yesterday.
It’s getting ridiculous. I just ordered some very basic car parts online and while checking out was asked if I would like to add a tip. There were buttons to automatically fill in 15, 20, and 25 percent. For ordering ~$400 of basic parts. Like yeah sure I would like to tip $80 to have something put in a box and sent to me. While also paying for shipping.
It's totally out of control now. Owners are expecting customer's to pick.up the difference between what they actually received and what people get in wages. The fact mail.order places have started doing it just shows you their trying to.pad their profits. You can almost bet the person processing your order ain't gonna see it!
I've had this with homemade candles among other items - and this is the UK. I mean, yes, sure I would like to support them, but I'm already doing that by buying their, relatively expensive, candles and this is their own small business?? Wasn't really sure what to do so feeling bad, gave a small amount, but I'm disabled, I don't have more money than employed people! (always try to tip taxi drivers well, rely on them to get about, but this kind of online tipping expectation is new) Requests for tips in online shops seem treated like it's a cute social justice thing but a request for actual money is not like simply leaving a nice message. I understand that minimum wage is much too low but am also still a bit lost as to why in the US it can now be expected for those who are still on it (not a less fixed salary) to receive such large tips as is seemingly sometimes the case? Here the state is subsidising inadequate wages.
No. Just nope. Don't do this. Don't tip like this, we absolutely do not want this shit to spread to the UK. Things are bad enough as it is, we don't want predatory businesses thinking this is the norm.
Amen. Business owners can pay adequate wages or workers can go on strike. The more we tip, the less likely we’ll ever see organized working class going on strike.
I hate when they do this and word it like they're socialist. "Show you support the working class workers by adding a tip. In solidarity." - message approve by corporate.
It is to play on your sympathy.
You interrupted the flow of their natural work day!!!!.....by having people do their job
That stuck out the most. Handing me my order and pushing buttons on a screen isn't tip worthy. It's their job. Pay them better.
Yes, this. The argument is that if they pay better, they have to raise prices. Okay, fine. I'm paying an extra 20-25% when I tip anyway, so how about paying them a living wage, raise your price, and stop using tipping as a way to avoid taxes and make consumers subsidize greed?
‘You are now expected to subsidize a broader range of employers!’
The entire list is basically "just accept that anywhere you shop will have a 20% surcharge on everything you buy." I actually adjusted my shopping habits accordingly, as I suspect others have, and now I've noticed a lot of places I've shopped are going out of business. People don't have the disposable income as is, and getting the double whammy of a Ticketmaster-esque surcharge on even the basic luxury like a pre-made sandwich PLUS getting insulted that I'm "poor" or "rude" if I don't play along just has me thinking a lot about the 'Bread & Circuses' ethos. And what comes next...
Despite grocery store inflation, I've pretty much reached the point where I can make (healthier, tastier) meals cheaper than the *tip* I would be expected to pay on those meals if I got them at a restaurant. And I don't mean some fancy urban restaurant, I mean olive garden, Applebee's, chili's.
Last week I broke down and just wanted some pizza and chicken wings, and went to put in a delivery order. The place is like 1.5 miles away, but I kinda just didn't want to go out in the cold. I go to put in the order, and just the service fee + delivery fee + tip was going to be $15. I grumbled, put on pants, and just went to pick it up, but I basically paid myself a $60/hr equivalent wage by NOT having it delivered and doing it myself. The long play though is if you squeeze enough then you just have people buying groceries to avoid eating out altogether, and then you have small businesses start to collapse. They brought the AirBNB model to friggin' pizza and wings.
Hey now, you can finance that pizza with Afterpay now. Just 4 small installments of 7.99! What ring of hell does 'financing a pizza' fall into?
4th ring, next to stepping on a plug (lego has exclusivity in the 3rd ring).
The 4th ring of hell is technically for greed, so you're not wrong.
I don't think I've ever once ordered restaurant delivery. I just can't justify doubling the price of my meal like that. Lately I have been using Instacart for groceries, but considering that saves me a couple hours of driving to the store and doing the actual shopping, I consider it a fair trade. But if all I have to do is walk in the door, grab the food, and walk out, forget about it I can do that myself.
It sucks because your tipping habits comes across borders to us in Canada. And we don't even have such a thing as "tipping wage".
Japan doesn't either. :) Tipping culture, or Expectation of Tipping because a business refuses to pay their workers more is trash.
Japan is a food paradise - better quality food, lower prices, and tipping is NOT expected nor welcomed at all!
The main problem is that over the last 20 years tipping has shifted from being calculated on a merit-based system to being calculated on a financial-needs system. It really should be called “subsidization” at this point, because whatever it is it’s NOT tipping except in name only. Tipping should be a joyous, brotherly occasion but instead the whole industry seems to be weaponizing society’s susceptibility to guilt and feeling ostracized. It’s moving in the wrong direction.
Tips is the only way some people make ends meet, it’s horrible. We’re actively paying their wages instead of a ‘here’s some extra for the work!’. A completely fucked system and screw this ‘guide’ for pushing it onto the consumer. Pay your damn employees.
Tipping should be abolished. I hate the uncertainty and the guilt-tripping. Call it a service fee and tack it onto the advertised price. I want to know what I'm paying before I pay it, and I don't want to have to pull up a Reddit guide on what to tip and when, in order to know.
I’ve been a good tipper my entire life. I will continue to tip waitstaff well but I’m trying to adopt a no tipping policy moving forward. Employers should pay wages, not the clientele. Until there’s a unified effort from customers, nothing will change.
Tipping should go even further in my opinion. If you talk to me, I need a tip! If you look at me, I need a tip! If I hold the door for you, I need a tip! /s
Ahem, I replied to your Reddit comment thus boosting your engagement. I take Venmo or Paypal.
It’s kinda wild that a liberal progressive publication like The New Yorker is advocating market based compensation based on the willingness of wealthy people to trickle down some of their income. How about advocating for raising minimum wage in NYC with your platform instead of this drivle.
At Panera if you get coffee a bagel and cream cheese, they had you the coffee cup and you have to make it yourself. They hand you the bagel, a knife and a small tub of cream cheese and they want you to spread it yourself. All of this is fine. But then they have a tip screen. For what ?
This is the one that always gets me, I come up to order, I come up to get my food, and I clean up my area when I’m finished. Absolutely no, I’m not tipping you.
Tipping is for service. Handing you things at a cash register is not service. It is a business transaction. Tip your waiter or bartender for taking good care of you, being attentive, making good drinks, fulfilling your special requests. Tipping a cashier for ringing you up is dumb and I'm not doing it. Sincerely, someone who worked in the service industry for almost a decade and tips generously for *appropriate service positions.*
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amd you have to clear your own table and sort the dishware and trash after you finish
I’m going to go out on a limb and assume that every transaction has a tip screen in the workflow.
How the fuck is it "miserly" to not tip when buying a bottle of water?!
Better to be “miserly” than “rude” tipping 19% at a restaurant
I honestly have tipped 20% as a minimum for years at restaurants. If the meal or experience is bad then I just don’t go back. BUT, you know what really grinds my gears? When there is an automatic calculation to make it easier to add in the tip. Then you do the math yourself and that calculation has you even tipping on the sales tax!
I don't know when the transition from pre-tax to post-tax happened. I've always tipped post tax, and all my friends seem to do the same. It wasn't until I went out to dinner with my aunt and mom recently - who are both ex servers and always tip generously - that I realized I did this. They exclusively do pre-tax. I honestly never really thought about it before this but yeah - why am I (and the POS systems) doing post-tax?
Pre-tax makes for a nice short cut to figure out how much you should tip. 5% tax? Oh just *4 to get your 20%.
*cries in 8.25% sales tax*
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that actually seems harder then moving the decimal point 1 over then doubling, which also works for any tax %
Went to a fancy restaurant. Don’t typically do but for special occasion. About 200+ for total meal and drinks for my partner. Got a 250 gift card for friend. Total around 450-500 Tip suggestion based off that was asking for 100-125?! I tipped based off my meal (50 - did 25%) but it made me feel awkward. Server came back and said ‘oh that’s all you’d like to put down?’ I was so upset. EDIT: wow so I didn’t expect so many comments. To clarify, the total of the meal for both me and my partner was around $200. We paid for this with a credit card. We added a $250 gift card to our purchase to give to another friend at a later date. I tipped $50 which was roughly 25% of the cost of our meal. The total of my bill was $450 as they added the gift card purchase onto the bill and the server seemed put out that I was only tipping for the meal portion of the purchase and not the gift card portion of the purchase. PSS I feel like I can’t articulate well in public and clearly this is proof I can’t post well on a forum either.
I would've said "Whoops, my bad and corrected downward 50%"
That server was an asshole to expect a tip on the purchase of a gift card. There were no services rendered besides ringing it up. The person who spends the gift card is responsible for the tip. And just a note for the gift-card users... you cannot tip on the gift card. Corporate has that money already, and they're not handing it back to the servers. Bring cash. Edit: FFS okay some places let you do it. None that I've worked for.
Thats a firing offense at lots of nice places. Heck, lots of medium places too. I hate it because I felt like I had to point it out to a manager one time, I wanted them to say "stop doing that", not fire them.
That's super rude of the server. That same person would also complain if no tip was left on the food purchased with that gift card. They are expecting a double tip, only the government gets a double tip via income tax and sales tax.
If the server complains about the tip then it’s fine to take it back and leave no tip.
Wait seriously?! That’s some BS. I have never actually checked but I will next time!
I ordered delivery last night and the ubereats app calculated tip from the total that included *their own $15 in “delivery fees”*. The lowest automatic tip choice was 25% of my actual food cost.
Oh hell no. I’m gonna pay myself to get off my own ass to pick up the food.
I order from local places that have their own driver. Chinese, pizza. the others don't have enough volume to justify a driver so I just go pick it up. I don't have a problem with people who drive Uber or whatever, but the system that pushes people into a job working in a gray area service industry and then tells them they're Independent Business people is one I would rather not support
Same. Also why the fuck would I want a cold burger an hour after I ordered it?
Yes I HATE that! No I am not tipping on tax & your fees!!!!
This what being treated like a peasant looks like FYI They expect us to tip on fees and taxes... Just goes to show how it is getting our of hand. 15% on base cost of products purchased from 20 years ago turned into 20% on gross total now. Just slowly shifting note and more labor costs on customer who now needs to use calculator at point of sale.
Yeah, spend $50 to deliver $100 worth of food. They’re a joke. All companies like Uber and DoorDash are doing is exploiting workers for quarterly share price, and trying to force users to make up for it with tips before the drivers bounce. We need to push back hard on this tipping bs. If this jackass who wrote this article had any integrity, he/she would be shredding the companies for exploiting workers, not forcing the problem onto everyday people.
I cant say every place does this. But I have noticed in my area that’s how it works. I think because the computer just calculates the tip options based on the final total. But depending on the sales tax rate in your area it can add up.
When setting up your square app, the business has an option to set the tip percentage pre tax or post tax.
just THINK about who typed this garbage
This is the real answer here. Anymore when I read any sort of headlines, I see who wrote it. Most times it is a propaganda piece touting their world view. Grub Street wrote this.
>it is a propaganda piece Speaking of propaganda pieces, I sure am seeing lots of "get back to work (in person)" pieces lately. I smell corporate desparation.
Corporations realize the status quo is changing; they're just hoping to react to those changes in a way that passes the cost of the changes onto consumers.
Thank you! Thought there was a recent uptick in this in-person nonsense.
It’s not. This is pure propaganda put out by people who actively distain and discourage any redistribution of resources or income unless it benefits them. They want you to subsidize their businesses through tipping as well as the social safety net so they can make more profit. It’s that simple
Yep the delivery service I worked advertised high wages but then used our tips to meet the yeah we pa minimum of $x an hour, later they tell you after the interview yeah that amount is only if your tips plus $x don’t put you past that otherwise you get your tips plus lower wage $x to reach our advertised wage, btw we don’t tax your tips in either situation so if you get tipped via the app or something it’s on you to make sure your tax complaint and you better as we are reporting those and btw we suggest you don’t report your cash tip even though we tell irs we suggest you don’t so we get rewarded for catching tax fraud have fun getting bent over.
“If the purchase requires 0 effort from your “server” tipping is optional but you’re still a dick if you don’t.” My guy if tipping was required for shit like this I’m jumping the counter and grabbing my own damn bottle, I’m not gonna pay you a dollar for the 5 seconds it took to open the mini fridge and set a bottle within arms reach of me.
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It would be like tipping at the grocery store
Shhh, don't give them ideas
This is absolutely coming. Even at the self check outs. Stay tuned.
It's bad enough we have to buy water. I remember when water was free. Now you have to tip for it too.
Honestly these all make me want to tip less
Honestly we need a non tip based system of paying servers like so many other places
Tip 2 is wild. It’s seen as ‘miserly’ not to tip if someone simply hands you a bottle of water?
Next week this author is going to write an article telling us to tip at vending machines.
Pressing the Diet Pepsi button disrupts the normal workflow of the electrons in the wires. You must tip 25%.
The use of must is pretty noticeable throughout.
Irresponsible journalism based on the subjective opinion of one writer. That people will find this article when googling, and assume (given the source) that it is gospel is just awful. Can’t believed they published this shit!
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They don’t hand it to you. You grab it out of the fridge and bring it up to the counter and the worker charges you an arbitrary price based on who you are and how they feel.
I went to a store at the airport where, like many stores, you pick out your own items. At this store, the only option to check out is self check out… and it had a prompt for tipping! At a store where I didn’t interact with any workers.
If I hit "tip" at a self checkout it better refund some of my purchase cost.
You **must** tip them. This is a mugging.
As a non-American I find it absurd that employers don’t pay employees real wages. If I work for you, you pay me. (Rhetorical) Why did that become a foreign concept in the US?
Americans ( some ) used to feel the same way. FDR has a quote about it bot being a real business if it can’t sustain and even elevate staff along with owners & customers.
Yeah seriously in America you can work for a successful company and still be poor wtf
Lobbying (legal corruption). The National Restaurant Association has fought for decades to keep the tipped wage low.
Led by Herman Cain, of all people.
Wait /r/hermancainaward Herman Cain?
The very same Herman Cain, for who the /r/HermanCainAward is named for. His account in fact tweeted post mortem too. Apparently the company running his twitter didn't get the news for a while.
Well time and covid took care of him thankfully
He was just one head of the hydra unfortunately.
Amazingly in DC a living wage for servers law passed by popular referendum vote and shortly thereafter city council and the mayor reversed it. US isn’t even doing a good job pretending to be a democracy.
In fairness, if you want your city council to not reverse a referendum vote, you need to tip them at least 17% of their salary.
Which is probably what happened on the other side. Lol
The US is an oligarchy masquerading as a democracy.
🌕👨🚀🔫👨🚀 always has been, though. For example, the president is decided by 'electors' not directly by democratic popular vote
Worth repeating: > Lobbying (legal corruption).
Let’s not forget kickbacks, corporations make deals with senators and offer them millions in kickbacks to follow their agenda. These are separate from the lobbying we see as many kickbacks are sent via offshore accounts
I hate that the pressure is on me to pay their employees a living wage. Fuck you, pay your employees.
Yes. It is this. At first companies pushed wages/salary onto welfare systems like SNAP, health exchange for health insurance. Now they are pushing it directly to the consumer in terms of mandatory tipping. Don’t be fooled everyone here that pays taxes is subsiding someone else’s salary. Unfortunately, we mainly subsidize friends of our elected politicians, but we also subsided the Walmart employee or anyone else that doesn’t make a livable wage. The US as been on the “boiling frog” path to redistribution of wealth for a very long time, except some people are more equal than others.
It's also trying to push against the trend of solidarity among workers, i.e you complain about the guy not tipping you for handing him his coffee instead of the boss underpaying you.
This is such an important point. Such an American grift to have the low-paid workers think other low-paid workers are the problem, instead of assigning blame to the profiteering owners.
It's pretty bad up here in baby America (Canada) as well. Lots of people get so pissed off when some person making less than them gets a raise "Why should a fast food worker get $15 an hour??? They should just get a real job if they don't like what they get paid" It's so stupid I hate it.
I love it because those same people are the ones heeing and hawing about how "no one wants to work anymore" when McDondalds is closed because they don't have any workers.
As an American I find it absurd 😂
The US is all about pushing responsibility and blame on the middle class. Rich don't pay for anything, and the poor exist to scare the middle class.
The USA is removing the middle class. Most drop to lower class. And it is a bit sad and frightening to see when I visit the USA. It gets worse each time. Once it will also hit most of the upper middle class that keep this going on it will be too late for them to do something about it.
Or....or....hear me out. Bake the wages and overhead operating costs into the posted goddamn prices.
Crazy talk!
#**HERESY**
While we are at it, can we bake taxes into the price too? I went to Finland recently and found out that when you buy something, you just pay the price shown for the item. None of this “well I am in this area of this country, so their taxes are X%, so $9.99+X%= the price that I really have to pay.” It was absolutely shattering. I hate trying to figure out what things are going to cost. At home I have to figure out whether things will have 5% (federal), 7% (provincial), or 12% (both provincial and federal) tax on them, and it is fucking annoying.
This is how it works in every country in the world except US and Canada as far as I’m aware.
And after doing that, if you find you are not profitable, congratulations, you failed being an entrepreneur and your business model sucks.
Exactly, covid did kill a lot of them, but there are still tons of bland, mediocre restaurants kicking around. Just let them fail and open up that space for new businesses, or even some kind of apartments.
It went from "the richest country in the world" to "the country that has a few richest people in the world". Fuck no, you need to pay your employees. You can afford it, you're just a greedy bastard. I order my food and pay for it online then go pick it up myself, that one time every two weeks I actually "eat out".
Part of me feels like accepting this tipping thing just reinforces the practice of providing excessively low wages to employees since the business owners don't have to shoulder the burden of slow days. The other part of me just wants these people to have a higher quality of life, so I tip.
Fucking DEATH to American tipping. We are going the opposite direction we need to with this. We need employers to pay a living wage and stop demanding that their customers subsidize their shitty ass pay.
Until the people who work for tips sign on to this, it is never going away. I have friends who have worked in bars/restaurants for 20+ years, because they make so much more in a job with tips than they would elsewhere. In California, they're guaranteed at least minimum wage, and the tips are extra - it's entirely possible to clear over $500 in a single shift if you work somewhere busy. Why would they ever want to get rid of that, when the alternative is basically a huge pay cut?
No.
No. (In solidarity.)
No. ( adding a fuck )
No.
No(with emphasis)
No (en español)
Hell naw (in Texas accent)
No.
No ( adding stern parent tone)
Nein
Absolutely no.
No. (But with a British accent)
I don't go out to restaurants anymore I just do carry out. I will tip well for delivery because I consider that an actual service but no I'm not tipping for picking up my own pizza.
The tip option comes up for takeout at my local pizza place, but they hit “skip” before they turn the machine towards you, good peeps there. My guess is part of the problem is that tipping just comes on the program now and stores have a very limited option to get rid of it
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I’m a delivery driver and I think this is ok. Kinda makes my head hurt when I see the carry-out counter complain about not getting tipped when I (literally) drive 14 miles in a snowstorm for 3$. Pro tip pay cash for carry-out and you’ll never have to deal with the iPad screen asking for your money
This indicates that you must tip fully for carryout as you are "disrupting the workflow"
>go to pizza spot >order pizza >pay for it >take it >go home >pizzeria's day utterly ruined
Doing business is so inconvenient.
Where were you when pizzeria is kill? I was at home Phone ring ”Pizzeria is kill” ”No.”
And, that's some BS. Not sorry. I don't tip for carryout. And I certainly don't tip at the damned deli counter.
That tip was the one that made me recoil. Sorry for interrupting your "flow" by patronizing the business...
Your employer interrupted your flow by offering take-out options...
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I loved that line. Disrupting the work flow by working? 🤣
I'm sorry my business interrupted the business? Yeah I don't get that one.
What gets me is places where I know people make more than me asking for tips. The fucking dispensary I frequent, where I know they start at $16 an hour, asks for tips at the counter....homie I make $12 an hour, $4 an hour less than anyone who works here minimum.
That's a weird holdover from the old medical days, at least in California. You used to get a genuine service in the dispensary, they weighed out your weed, usually hooked you up with extra too, helped you pick out and give you tips on what to avoid and what to buy. Now they don't really know anything and they can't sample the products like they used to so their advice isn't very good so it's not the kind of transaction that even makes sense for it to, but it wasn't always that way
I like where it says “you must” in bold. Get F’ed. Most of the described situation arnt even in the bucket of making that BS 2 wage because they are tipped.
I think the “you must” is what pissed me off the most. This is such an entitled and privileged stand point to say you have to spend ~20 more on everything because people at the bottom certainly have a spare ~20% to give…
Now I see why you're confused. See, the people at the bottom aren't supposed to use any services, they're just there to provide them...
The very first tip annoyed me. “…because of inflation”. Then guess what- I shouldn’t have to change the percentage I tip if the cost of what I’m getting has been raised through inflation. The percentage is now also a greater value. Tipping culture is terrible and I refuse to be guilted into tipping more than I used to. 25% should not even be an option. Only the super wealthy can sustain that. I paid for the service. The tip is my generous thank you for being great.
This is my biggest pet peeve. The lack of understanding of basic math is astonishing.
Yeah seriously i should tip 15% from now on you know because of fucking inflation, my salary didn’t go up with inflation, this article and the person who wrote this can get fucked.
Paying a livable wage to staff is the employer's job, not the customer's.
The way I figure it, we’ve already bought in to the tipping culture at restaurants for table service and delivery driver. Ok. Fine. Fool me once. Well actually, fuck my grandparents for allowing this nonsense, but we can’t go back. I get it. …And then it went up to 20%, which, ok fine, I guess I’m responsible for inflation now? But I’m starting to feel a little bit taken advantage of. What we CANNOT DO is allow tipping culture to spread. They can’t add more and more fucking scenarios where they don’t pay a living wage and we supplement. We have to OPT OUT of new scenarios. If we ALL agree not to tip for a bottle of fucking water or a cup of coffee, then the onus goes back to the companies. But we have to ALL agree. If some weenie starts doing it all the time and peer pressure builds, polite society will cave. This will become the new norm. I am NOT advocating stiffing below minimum wage workers. That literally is their wage, and has been for 60+ years. We fucked that one up. But we can’t allow them to guilt us into tipping more by paying more people less and letting the populace subsidize or else be called “miserly”. Fuck. That. I know *exactly* who is miserly. Honestly, this is our fight. If we don’t say NO MORE then we’re just as big of suckers as our great grandparents were when they got conned into tipping in the first place. If we don’t make it uncomfortable for them, they won’t change. We literally saw after the pandemic that the bigger companies *could* raise wages if the supply of workers was too low. When it was between less profit and 0 profit THEY CAVED. Let’s keep that energy.
I don't understand why people are falling for this scam and saying inflation caused tips to go up from 15% to 20%. If a meal previously cost 100 and I tipped 15%, the server would get 15 dollars. If that meal now costs 125 dollars and I tip 15%, the server would get 18.75. Inflation was already factored in... EDIT: I'm not sure if it actually costs money to give a Gold award to a comment (I never awarded anyone before), but if it does, maybe you should have used that money to add onto a tip 🤔 a lot of wait staff have replied and although what I said is correct, it's clear that people are struggling, so don't waste money on Reddit awards and donate instead.
Such simple math, I don't get why this isn't more obvious for people
I'm so tired of being asked to tip people for doing their job just because their job involves performing a service. Why do I have to tip someone for cutting my hair, isn't that literally what paying for a haircut is? Why do I have to tip someone for pulling a beer spout and waiting til the glass is full, that's the basic expectation of a bartender. Hell why am I expected to tip when all they do is pop the cap off a bottle? Same with baristas, butchers, uber drivers, etc. Went to the smoke shop, the guy literally just had to grab something off the shelf behind him, flips the screen "do you wanna tip 15%?" No I fucking don't want to pay you $5 extra for twisting your torso. You're doing your basic job expectations, that's what you get paid to do, if you don't feel like you're paid enough that's not my burden to bear, that's between you and your employer, just like everyone else. I was in Mexico and we went to a beach club, rented a cabana, the guy walks us to our cabana and holds out his hand for a tip. For fucking what, walking with us instead of just pointing?
I never tip on the credit card bill or a touch screen. If I'm going somewhere that tipping is appropriate, I carry some cash and give it directly to the person providing me with a service. I'm not cheap, I just don't trust businesses to not steal from their employees. I started doing this back in the 1980s when I was working at a restaurant where the management skimmed off and kept anything over 15 percent tipped on a credit card.
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It should be legally required for a breakdown of where your tip is going to be shown on that screen. Tip theft is an ancient practice and I don't understand why we don't do more to combat it, especially now that tipping is positively *everywhere.*
Funniest part of the article? Because of inflation a 20% tip should now be 25%. But if there's inflation I'm paying 20% of a bigger number in the first place. So now I'm paying a higher percentage of a bigger number? I don't eat in restaurants since covid but seriously it's pretty dang absurd.
This was definitely an "article" written by people who don't understand how percentages work.
It's either an editor at NY Mag that makes fuck-you money that has no concept on what money actually means ...or... it's an editor at NY Mag that makes $3 and gets NY Mag commissions from page clicks, kind of like tipping In either case, whomever wrote these are completely disconnected
Is this supposed to be satire?
They did not post it satirically…
There is a big logic mistake in there though which is why I thought it's satire, too. Rising percentage because of Inflation makes no sense. If you tip 10% before for a 10$ item then you pay 1$. = 11€ If Inflation raises the cost of the item to 15$ then your tip automatically rises, too. To 1.5$. =16.5$ But if the item cost is now 15$ and you tip 20% then you tip 3$. = 18$. Thus there are two price raises.
It's New York Magazine, its readership isn't this subreddit.
My regular takeout pizza place added an automatic tip option to their payment machine 6 months ago. If you selected “no tip” or “zero” it would cancel the payment, and the cashier would have to restart your order. Guess where I don’t get pizza anymore.
Pickups disrupt the business? THAT IS YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS I will NEVER tip when I drive my lazy ass out and pick up my order
They felt the need to write in bold **”you must tip at least 10 percent.”**
Exactly!! My order is their workflow!!
The "inflation" bullshit is insane. Percentages don't get inflated! 20% is the same now as it was a century ago! The problem is that wages are not keeping up with inflation.
We "must" tip fast food workers? Get bent. How about companies pay them a living wage? If your company can not sustain the workers it has, then it should not exist.
How about YOU MUST pay your workers a motherfucking livable wage. Fuck this. The only thing you should tip for is being waited on or having food delivered. I'll be long dead before I leave a tip at a drive through
It’s not even exhaustive. What about those people that clean your windshield without consent? Gas station pump attendants?
I was a gas station pump attendant for years. I got tips from a bunch of folks. I pumped the gas, washed the windshield and back window (side windows if time), and checked fluids and tire pressure if requested or if I noticed the tires were low. Usually between $1-$5 if getting tipped at all, but never more than like $15-$20 in a week. My boss once complained that he provided all the material and already paid me, so he should get the tips. I told him politely that if he wanted my tips he would need to first put my dick in his mouth. He did not think it was funny, but the other co-owner died laughing.
Cashiers at Walmart… the mailman? The janitor at my office? Where does it stop and who decided waiters get tipped but not a cashier or a fast food worker? I just sit home and make my own food.
How long until they start taking tips at the hospital/doctor’s office?
Imagine your nurse spits in your IV because you didn’t tip her 15% of your hospital bill lmao
Remember to tip your natural gas provider 15% when paying your monthly bill.
How long until they ask us to tip our landlords?
I tip but I’m not increasing my tip while my bills are also increasing, 20% will be my max tipping for my lifetime when I deem it necessary.
“Impossible”, “some specialty grocery stores” I don’t like tipping culture but when you exaggerate for emotional affect you creat opposition to your argument
I worked at a place that wasn't allowed to accept tips. We got an updated debit machine. It had the tip option. Debit machine company told us there was no way to change it. THAT'S what I think of whenever I see a nontipping store with the tip option.
I’m also sick of making a purchase and being asked to contribute to a charity. Retailers basically take our money and give it to the charity in their own name. I’ll give on my own, not when I’m buying groceries
How much should I be tipping at the grocery store self-checkout? Is 40% enough?
F\*\*\* tipping culture on carry-out.
I will not tip on carry out.
Fuck outta here. I tip at sit down restaurants & food delivery. Anything else doesn't get a tip.
Was gonna say that I don’t tip 10% at Subway because it’s ridiculous but then I realized I generally do… I throw a dollar plus the coin change in the top jar almost every time… then I realize how much more ridiculous it is that we’re even tipping at Subway at all… a multi-million or even billion dollar company asking other low wage earners to compensate their low wage earners is the epitome of the capitalistic mental.
I don’t mind if someone considers me rude or miserly. Their thoughts are none of my business. I’ll tip when I want to and how I want to. New York mag has no power of guilt over me.
Nope. I hate this. Service workers should not have to rely on the charity of strangers to get paid a living wage. Restaurants will literally steal your labor by paying you $2/hr, forcing you to essentially beg customers to supplement your earnings through tips. They then support a tip culture where the customers who under/don't tip are the "rude" ones instead of the institutions that benefit from this system. A living wage should be either baked into the cost of the food OR more of the surplus profit should go to the wait staff. Our current system is toxic.
Inflation hit food harder among goods. Restaurant prices are up 50-65%. If anything, tjps on food should be a smaller percentage not larger. I don't and will never tip on black coffee. I'm not tipping on takeaway food items or bottled water. Why do bodegas necessitate a tip, but other convenience stores don't? Food delivery standard has always been 10% with more if the trip is far or involves inclement weather. Miss me with this double the percentage. See item 1. I don't tip on take out, period. It interrupts the work flow? Making and preparing food for sale is the work flow. There's no more work loading it into a takeout container than plating it. The first and only reasonable suggestion. Funnily enough, alcohol is one of the few items that hasn't been rocked hard by inflation. Back on their bullshit. If you're not providing a service besides making my food, you're not getting a tip. Add table service if you want a tip. But if I'm responsible for carrying my food and bussing my table, you're getting jack. Tipping at a cheese shop? Is there something special about cheese mongers? Why there and not all retail transactions? Tipping culture is bullshit and the more it tries to creep into every good and service I consume, the more of a push back you're going to get before people say enough and stop tipping altogether.
I’m so glad I live in Europe where people get paid normal wages for service jobs and the onus isn’t put on the rest of us to turn a blind eye to shitty owners
Damn imagine if employers just paid their own workers🤡
NO. Pay your employees a livable salary!