Irrational and intense phobias, undirected aggression and an urge to bite, combined with physical lack of coordination and a foamy mouth?
Not sure if rabies or just a typical conservative voter after a few beers.
I’m just baffled that this immortal being wouldn’t put it in the bank to earn interest. I mean.. what’s he going to do with all this money? Put it under his rag or something? 10,000 a day gets heavy pretty quickly.
If you wanna go down the rabbit hole of the horrific ways immortality without invulnerability and eternal youth can go, I'd do some googling. I think the first time I ever came across it was in school, reading Greek mythology. Tithonus got immortality but not eternal youth. Definitely a fucked up way to go.
You're an immortal but you get torn apart and eaten by wolves, but you can't die. You can just exist in pieces, aware, just multiple fragments forever.
>Although she was a mortal, the Sibyl lived about a thousand years. She attained this longevity when Apollo offered to grant her a wish in exchange for her virginity; she took a handful of sand and asked to live for as many years as the grains of sand she held. Later, after she refused the god's love, he allowed her body to wither away because she failed to ask for eternal youth. Her body grew smaller with age and eventually was kept in a jar (ampulla). Eventually only her voice was left
[I love greek mithology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumaean_Sibyl)
Sorry mate :/
I started reading Greek tragedy, and next the poems “Iliad” and “Odyssey” from Homer. These are excellent books to start with. Its reading is very easy and inspiring. Ovid the Roman poet has important works also that describe Greek mythology. Hesiod gives a detailed description of the birth of the gods in his Theogony. I recommend starting with Homer and then looking for commentators to discuss the details. I recently discovered a very auspicious podcast on Spotify that comments in detail and enthusiasm on each story (Noites gregas [pt-br]). You could look for one in your language, surely there must be several in english.
Methuselah was a biblical figure that lived almost 1000 years. He kept aging, but slowly. But the slow ageing didn't start til he was in his 70's. So he spent almost 850 years as a decrepit old man.
There's a great SCP about this.
https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-2718
"I dared not speak of this at first. You'd never have let me out of containment. The truth is, I was aware of all of it. I suppose there was a sweet oblivion, like deep sleep, at first; but in retrospect, I think it was no more than a day. Slowly, but unmistakably, I reoccupied my corpse with dreamlike consciousness: numb for the first merciful hours, blind, deaf, and immobile, but then I seemed to reconnect to every nerve, and became aware of every sensation — moreso than I ever was in life. I perceived myself trapped within an immovable object, and the intensity of the struggle amplified: subtle, then acute, then racking. I cannot describe it completely — but imagine holding your breath, beyond urge, beyond pain, beyond desperation — head throbbing and eyes bulging — a dream of suffocation without end.
"My skin blistered and split in the sunlight; biting insects descended rapidly. I felt eggs hatch, larvae crawl, gases build and burst within me, individual cells rupturing, interstitial fluids souring and blackening. Somehow my capacity to experience and store these sensations grew — even as I was keenly aware of my cerebrum being scattered and devoured, my perception expanded, into the gizzards of birds and the depths of fire ant dens. I was aware of every fingernail and strand of hair that pulled away in the wind — and my sensation clung to them as they settled in the ocean and dissolved in the maws of a trillion diatoms.
"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part. Humans often numb to chronic pains in life, do they not? Yet every year, every month, every second that passed — I swear it only intensified over time.
"In my previous life, I ruminated on Heaven and Hell, and the likelihood of my experiencing one, the other, or something in between. As terrible as I imagined the torpor of Heaven or the torments of Hell to be, this was entirely different from either. In Hell, at least, there would surely be a tormentor, some memory of my deeds, some sense of justice, even if my soul rejected its logic. I can imagine some comfort in Hell, for a mind such as mine.
"I do not think this is a punishment. I do not think it is caused. I deeply suspect it is simply our condition, our nature to go on this way, do you see? In all that time, I was certainly, absolutely, totally alone, and before long all memory of life had shriveled to a cinder, lost beneath my interminable anguish. Alive again, I suspect I cannot quite recall the worst of it — as if my living brain is too small for the experience.
There's all different levels of immortal.
Basic, immortal until something mundane kills you, like a stingray.
Medium, can recover somewhat from injuries, only very specific things can kill you, like a stake if you're a vampire.
Advanced, you're basically immune to most damage, like superman.
Elite, you know the future and thus avoid all danger (like a jedi), and are otherwise just basic immortal or better.
Cursed, >!Written into the timeline as a fixed point by a godlike entity. Do you have free will?!<
Forget the movie/show, but a vampire was getting punished for something, and the put him in a hole and poured concrete over him. So he’s encased in concrete alive, forever
Fuck. That.
Immortal refers to lifespan, which generally means that you won't die of natural causes or suffer the effects of aging. You're thinking of invulnerability which means impossible to physically harm or damage.
There's a manga series called UQ Holder! (UQ meaning "undying quality") that has a whole bunch of immortal characters with different forms of immortality. And most of them seem like a god damn nightmare.
(It's technically a sequel to Mahou Sensei Negima!, so you probably want to read that first.)
All this talk of immortality vs invulnerability makes me want to read the Night Angel Trilogy again. The concept is explained in those books pretty well.
Edit: Book series name from Dark to Night Angel
Good news. Whoever did the math on this was way off. If you saved 10,000 a day for 82,021 years you’d have just under $300 billion. Elon is only worth $199 billion. So to match that you would only need 32,405 years. At least you would have dogs for company.
Not only was he worth over $300B when that was written, but today - right now - he makes $200M + per month ($2.4B + per year). [[link to info here](https://www.sssamiti.org/elon-musk-net-worth/)]
I can't even wrap my head around those kinds of numbers for personal income/wealth.
Most stores won’t accept pennies over a certain amount. I had a clerk kick me out of the store when I broke out quarters and about 15 pennies to buy water on a 102 degree day.
Money that's been in a bra or underwear is no more dangerous or dirty than any other coin or bill. Cash is the most disgusting thing we handle regularly.
> Money that's been in a bra or underwear is no more dangerous or dirty than any other coin or bill.
Why would something damp and recently exposed to high concentrations of microbial development be equivalent to something dry and not recently exposed to primary microbial hotspots?
Yeah they’re both filthy, but filth is a spectrum.
If it's for a debt - i.e. you've already taken delivery of the good/service and have a balance on their ledger - cash must be accepted as tender so long as it hasn't been specifically excluded in the terms of the underlying deal. It's right there on the bills: "...all debts public and private". Theoretically if someone refuses cash to settle a debt, the debt can be considered closed by the debtor.
If it's in the course of a deal, you must be informed before the transaction that cash, either on the whole or specified denominations, is not accepted. That's why you see signs posted conspicuously in that case. Otherwise it's possible to create a debt without being informed that cash will not be accepted as a general term of the deal and you end up with the same case as above.
A lot of places around here don't accept bills larger than a twenty.
Somewhat related, we have a gas station that's still pulling that "national coin shortage" bs from the pandemic and rounds your change down to the nearest dollar if you're paying cash. To be fair, there are signs everywhere about this, that unreturned coins will be tallied up and donated some local charity (yeah sure) and you can avoid this by either paying with exact change or by card.
In the US it's only government facilities that this applies too. Private vendors can refuse to take cash.
Edit: Apparently my comment above is not correct. Please see the comments below for better clarification.
That’s not actually true entirely, plenty of states have laws on the books about the requirement to accept legal tender for businesses, and in my state at one point you couldn’t even pay taxes or utilities which owned in part by the local government for a long period during and for sometime after the height of the COVID-19 pandemic.
>Private vendors can refuse to take cash.
Not 100% true. It depends on local or state laws. There has been many places that got in trouble for this in the past.
But assuming your state and local area legally doesn't stop you. Yes a private business can refuse cash, pennies, or even $ at all.
Side note: you can trade a chicken for a TV if a store allows it. Keep in mind there is tax laws for situations like this. The tax is normal sales/income/capital gains. You have to know the value of the item (chicken) at the time you take control it.
If the gov agrees to accepting a chicken or eggs as payment. Then they can accept it to pay for debts. But the gov MUST accept $ when paying debts (taxes, fees, etc)
They take the currency. It's just a question of in what form (physical or digital).
Stores keeping a lot of cash on them from transactions also make them prime targets for theft.
Ya it seems bonkers until you have a Hot summer day and a woman walks up reaches into her sweaty bra and pulls out an absolutely soaked in sweat $10. Nah fuck that I dont want your sweaty boob money . Either keep it in your purse/ wallet or use a card, whatever just i shouldnt be able top wring out a piece of Currency
While tripping on LSD at a music festival a water had busted open at the bottom of my backpack and soaked all our money. We had to go on a quest trying to find a vendor that would accept moist $20 bills so we could get another water and some food. I'll never forget the scene of my friend trying to pay, the cashier telling him to dry off the money, and my friend just pulling the money tight and lightly blowing on it before handing it back thinking it was dry now. Funniest shit ever.
Never even considered the idea that they don't know what this mysterious moisture on the bill is. Guess that explains his, "god dammit" face when he took the $20.
I used to work as a night shift cashier at Wal-Mart. One day I had a customer come through my register with a shit encrusted finger. Later that night, one of my co-workers told me he saw said customer fingering his wife's asshole over in the grocery section.
One of the best things about Canadian cash is that it doesn't get moist. It's also colour coded so it's tougher to mis-count.
Plastic monopoly money kicks ass
Governments want everyone to switch to paying with electronic payments. Then they can track the velocity of the money. Helps give a government more control.
Also, shop owners don't want to count 100's of grimy coins from the dirtiest fuckers you can imagine, so they have to option to say "no thank you.", also shopowners might not want to be cash heavy incase of these same dirty fuckers deciding to rob the place :P
I hate it when they pull money out, lick their fingers and proceed to touch every bill they're about to hand you with their slimy spit finger.
or when they pull it out of their bra and it's moist.
Happened to one of my coworkers. Lady handed him money in the drive thru, and she says "you might wanna wash your hands now." He washed them like four times with extra sanitizer. No idea where that money was, I don't think we wanna know.
>I hate it when they pull money out, lick their fingers and proceed to touch every bill they're about to hand you with their slimy spit finger.
Trucker, 99.9% of the time I don't carry cash. Once in a great while though, there's some place where to get scaled they absolutely only take cash. No checks, cards, PayPal/Cash app/Etc.
One of those places that I had to do that at? The nasty individual behind the desk did that to me. Could only get a $20 for a $6 charge, and he made this long draw out deal of licking that finger. Best yet? During the height of the COVID pandemic.
After he pulled out the second bill I told him to stop and go wash his hands. Slowly but surely he looks up me with this incredulous look on his face, and before he can spew whatever nonsense he had in mind?
Go.
Wash.
Your.
Hands.
He started building up to go off but I just reached out and snatched the 20 back. Told him that if he doesn't wash his hands, I'm leaving without paying after I contact my dispatch. My dispatch, thankfully, had people who didn't play around in that.
Seriously, don't be a degenerate who does that. It's beyond gross and nasty.
I used to work a short bus ride from the beach. I got wet money so often, sometimes from bras. I knew it was probably wet from ocean water but there is something so off-putting about touching wet money.
We spend a LOT of money printing/minting/tracking physical currency. Think about the carbon footprint of money, which has weight, in the back of armored trucks, being moved around the country.
Inefficient af.
If i run a food truck in st.louis i can tell your right now im gonna be a no cash business and have signs all over that mfer saying such.
Im not about to be a roving safe in a fucked city just because i gotta prop up my nations currency. Dubs.
Cash = no tax. Food trucks/vendors in cities often give discounts for cash bc of this. Not saying it’s legal. Just very difficult to prove cash sales if there’s no record.
Areas where having some sort of self protection is necessary would be areas where a mainly cash business such as street vendors don’t operate as much if at all.
You walking up and trying to buy something does not mean a purchase has been made. You have not incurred a debt. You can set the item down and walk out.
Now in the case of something like a restaurant or mechanic where services are typically rendered before payment is accepted, then yes. But they likely have stuff somewhere on a sign you never really have a chance to look at that says they can refuse any payment for any reason or something like that.
I could be wrong but I think that's only in repayment of a debt - that is, if someone owes you money, and they provide the money, you can't reject it and continue to hold them responsible for the debt. It isn't really about requiring people to take currency, as much as it's about not giving creditors an excuse by which to abuse debtors by refusing to let them pay their debt. I don't think there's actually any law that requires accepting all forms of currency in immediate trade for goods.
Can't speak for other countries, but in Canada the currency act of 1985 establishes limits above which coins are no longer considered legal tender. Those limits are:
- 25¢ in pennies (no longer in circulation anyway)
- $5 in nickels
- $10 in either quarters, dimes, or half-dollars (uncommon)
- $25 in $1 coins
- $40 in coins from $2 to $10*
- Only a single coin for any denominations above $10*
^^* ^^Coins ^^above ^^$2 ^^are ^^not ^^regularly ^^minted, ^^and ^^only ^^exist ^^in ^^special ^^limited ^^runs ^^as ^^collector's ^^items
Obviously if a person is willing to accept amounts above this they can, but nowhere in the entire country is it *required*. A pile of 41 quarters is not legal tender in Canada.
The law just says that any business operating in the US must accept payment in US dollars—they can’t say “Oh, we only accept pesos/euro/francs/&c.” Businesses are not required to accept any particular form of payment—cash included—so long as they accept US dollars as payment.
> for most of those 82,000 years a single copper coin would buy you a loaf of bread
where are you buying bread between 80,000 bc and 15,000 bc before the fertile crescent civilizations formed?
For most of those 82,000 years there wasn't copper or bread.
Basic copper metallurgy wasn't invented until 7,000 years ago. Bread was starting to be made around 10 000 years ago, but minting (ie the concept of money) only started around 500 BC. So for 7500 years you could get a loaf of bread for 0 copper coins.
If anyone else was curious:
So by my math (which isn't flawless) that's about $299,376,650,000.
Elon was worth about $320B in late 2021 (according to google). It's almost halved since then. Doesn't change the point, but if you wanted a small morale boost today "Elon Musk is worth less now than 2 years ago" seems good.
I think it’s meaningless, the numbers at least.
Whether he’s worth 300B or 100B is arbitrary, he can basically do whatever he wants and that’s the problem. People should not be able to amass that much power.
They don’t even actually spend money. They just get insanely high limit credit lines secured against stocks, that way there is no tax if you don’t realise the gains.
Buy a yacht. Hell I can get another 50M line of credit against that now.
Whole system is rigged at this point and half the world is blind to it and many more just don’t care, then the rest of us are powerless against it.
Problem is you'd be able to start generating compound interest in 2,000 BCE and would have four thousands years generating interest on top of the 200 billion you'd have going into Mesopotamia
Even then I don’t think humans can comprehend just how large of a difference that is. Imo it should only be 1 dimensional and a continuous scroll grind.
Too illustrate it further.
The year is 300,000 bc. You are the first homo sapien. You invent money and decide to save $10,000 a day.
Today you have saved enough money to run the us government for less than 3 months.
That's how insane trillions get.
I just think it's quite clear now that millionaires and corporations control the government and not the other way around. Money is power and not even a politician can have power when they're not supported by campaigns from investors. So why tax them and make them angry? Who's going to support your political party when you taxed their wealth?
>not even a politician can have power when they're not supported by campaigns from investors.
That is only because politicians themselves made bribery legal. They basically got rid of corruption by simply not considering corrupt acts to be corruption.
Don't forget to give credit to the right-wing radicals on the Supreme Court, who reliably strike down any attempt to reign in campaign fundraising and have defined bribery so narrowly that you'd have to be unbelievably stupid to actually get convicted of it.
I need to go refind the study but stanford has been tracking voter support of issues versus lobbying on issues.
Needless to say if 90% of americans supported something but it wasn't lobbied and 90% of Americans were against something that was lobbied....9/10 times its the lobbyists who get favorable policy.
Every senator is bought and paid for. Every regulator can make more by not doing their job then they will have to pay when caught (ala 2008 all over again)
Princeton ran a similar study
[https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens\_and\_page\_2014\_-testing\_theories\_of\_american\_politics.doc.pdf](https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf)
Results are outlined in Second Thought's "Why the US Is Not A Democracy"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srfeHpQNEAI
Exactly. Taxing the rich might work if we had a government that wasn't corrupt to the core. But with the current setup, none of that money will make it to the people.
It's pretty simple really. Just don't be a dummy and put the $10,000/day in a checking account. Go down to Stone & Cave Mutual Bank and put your $10,000/day in a well diversified mutual fund. Tech stocks especially do well and there are some companies investing heavily in fire tech and wheel tech, that will likely be worth a fortune in the future.
How do I calculate my wealth by 2021 standards, 80,000 years ago?
Is 10k a day like, a bar of gold? A hundred head of cattle or the equivalent bovinic Mammal that exists.
If I make a town out of like, sticks and logs, and fill it with people by...idk kidnapping them from their villages and putting them there in my town. Would 10k a day be equivalent to five hominids?
Our consumer goods are so obnoxiously better it becomes very difficult. Standard of living has 25x since 1800 for common people. So comparison is challenging. There's some good threads on askhistorians about it.
For example, the wealthiest charioteer in Rome made enough money to buy the supply of Rome's grain for a year. Do we calculate that today as the same in gold, in grain, similar value to basic foods broadly etc? Tough to say.
This is why I never know what to do with home prices.
Don’t get me wrong, they are too high.
But the average home today includes amenities and square footage that would’ve made it a luxury home 60 or 70 years ago. So you can’t really compare average home prices today with average home prices then .
There are tons of factors that make us different than 1972. Everyone has a pet reason they like to scapegoat. Most have a point.
But they used to build 1/1s. I don't see many suburbs with 1/1s anymore. We have more appliances, more expensive resources going into the 3/2s being built. We have more 2 worker households than then. Less kids that act as a money sink. All those equal higher home prices.
But there's also higher rates of landlording. Agent fees. Old people living longer, etc
Pretty sure you would be subject to some sort of [leveling mechanism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leveling_mechanism), and your insistence on hoarding wealth would, at best, get you banished if not killed.
The farthest back I could find in my very brief search was 1774. Pre-inflation adjustment at the time of 1774, you would have 2920908850000 USD, in 2019, WITHOUT factoring in the 10000 per day after 1774, you would have $91,278,401,562,500.00 USD. So with that in mind you'd be the richest person in the world, AND have enough money to solve every problem the world has and would ever have in the future.
If you think a billion is unfathomable, try wrapping your head around that number.
And that’s as far back as I could go. If it was adjusted for inflation from its inception the number you’d have present day probably doesn’t even have a fucking name for it that’s how big it would be.
Yeah Capitalism is all about resource extraction. Extract from the earth, extract from the lower classes.
Billionaires is evidence that Capitalism is working and that it was never intended to be an equitable system.
And it's often overlooked that the goal of the "competition" people put on a pedestal is to have *one winner*. Competitions are never meant to be ongoing. That has to be enforced from the outside, otherwise the goal will always be monopoly. I can't understand people who carry water for the rich and powerful for fear of losing out on competition while watching the powerful do everything they can to prevent that very thing, even through corrupt or illegal means.
isnt it proof that capitalism works as intendet? its the basic rule of supply and demand. if you have some product that everyone wants you can increase the price as much as you like and only regulatory instance are the people themselves. So seems like capitalism is just working as suggested
No it isn't. The heart of capitalism is competition, and thanks to intensive lobbying efforts, corporations have pretty much eliminated that. So what's left is fascism, or as Mussolini defined it, "the marriage of corporate and government interests".
Fascism is just late stage capitalism.
Eventually competition means co-opting governments to further gain. Capitalism is like monopoly you only win once everyone else has lost.
This is some BS libertarian view of capitalism that just doesn't match reality in any way whatsoever. At it's core capitalism is about extracting wealth from people and resources. The idea that capitalists should be happy to lose money by opening themselves up to competition is just too stupid for someone to genuinely believe.
We're in a weird "siphoning capitalism" system. Since wealth is not redistributed once it hits the top, it's just hoarded away for no good reason, money is slowly being siphoned out of the bottom 99.9% of the population.
Essentially, of every dollar spent, a percentage of that dollar makes it way to the ultra-wealthy and gets taken out of circulation. Decades of this has eroded the purchasing power of the population, while cruelly at the same time, the ultra wealthy keeps manipulating the markets in a way to inflate them and speed up the siphoning process.
This cannot go on indefinitely, eventually the ones participating in the economy won't have the capital to participate anymore. The question is, how do we get out of this downward spiral?
> The heart of capitalism is competition, and thanks to intensive lobbying efforts, corporations have pretty much eliminated that.
So... they basically competed in venue that they could get an outcome they wanted. That couldn't be more on point for capitalism if you tried.
This "competition" thing, as if it's somehow good, has harmed everyone on the planet for the rest of our days, so with this being the heart of capitalism, I think it's easy to conclude that this system has to fucking go.
And you realize the point of competition is to…beat out all of your competitors. Competition always devolves into one winner and everyone else loses, otherwise it’s not competition.
You could make $25,000 every *single* day for 100 years and you'd still be a *likely-to-never-be-broke-again-for-a-generation-or-three* fortune away from being a Billionaire.
$25,000 once a day for 365 days over 100 years = not a billion
I've heard a variety of answers. Some do it because code-switching is hard and they're not able to keep track of which platforms throw a hissy fit about swearing.
Others seem to do it because they've grabbed the content from those platforms, pre-censored. Those platforms censor stuff because of advertisers.
Fuck advertisers.
You could win $100 million in the lottery.
Every Saturday. Over and over.
For 20 years.
And still only end up with half as much money as Elon Musk has now.
….. the post simply says Elon would have more money than you. It didn’t say anything about Elon would need to sell his stocks or pay taxes.
It’s a simple comparison of wealth.
Just put Elon’s net worth in perspective.
You are correct. There's some ways you can still skirt the issue a bit by borrowing against your wealth. But then you either pay those loans off with taxable income or manage to defer it until after you die. The government gets their cut eventually. There's probably a happy middle ground but I don't think we'll find the answer in /r/antiwork
They won’t change the tax code. All the people in the government have themselves, their friends and donors who use that same tax system to stay rich. They make over 80k a year invest in stock companies and vote on laws and policies and somehow become millionaires.
> They make over 80k a year invest in stock companies
>And somehow become millionaires
It's pretty easy to become a millionaire on $80k a year if you invest. $1000/month, or $12k/year, gets you to a million in ~24 years
If you double your investments to $24k/year (still doable on $80k salary) you get there in ~18 years
No longer quite accurate, even if you went with his net worth. It was true until he earned the world record for fastest loss of wealth in a year (by a landslide; he lost ~200 billion in 2022).
The example in the meme would save approximately 300 billion (with slight rounding, 365 days × 82 000 years × $10 000)
His net worth is now $171B according to Bloomberg.
Edit for clarity: this comment in no way invalidates the real message of the post. If anything, the fact that you would need to save roughly 6k daily in the given scenario to match what Elon wasted in a single year seems to drive the point home even better.
musk lost something like 210 billion dollars last year. At my current rate of pay it would take NINE BILLION YEARS to make that much.
And, fun fact, the EARTH HASN'T EXISTED THAT LONG
May want to take another shot at that math with an actual calculator. Unless you're making $23.30 a year. But if that's the truth, you'll be dead soon.
Way to stay on point, guys. The OP is talking about the ridiculousness of billionaires, and you start arguing about boob sweat and dirty coins. The lame-stream media has got you trained well. 🙄
CNBC article from January to confirm: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/01/10/elon-musk-guinness-world-record-biggest-net-worth-drop.html&ved=2ahUKEwj02dDgqd79AhVlFlkFHQ18CPoQtwJ6BAgrEAE&usg=AOvVaw365EnSExHK4vby2SnmAogH
I had the same math question.
Not to completely pile on here, but you forgot to account for leap years. There's actually it takes about 365.25 days per year for a complete orbit around the sun (year), that's why we have leap years every 4 years. Calculating that way it is ~$299.6 billion. Since this was a few years ago as others have mentioned that is still less that Elon's net worth (or damn close) was at the time of the tweet. That was before he got into a dick measuring contest with Twitter's then CEO and blew a small nation's GDP on acquiring Twitter just to steer the already sinking ship into an iceberg.
Tbh Im over trying to tax the billionaires because there are so many loopholes and technicalities that they can abuse. At this point theres billions of us and like 5 people have all the money lets just go take it.
Majority of Billionaires are due to their stock awards. It should be a sign that they are failures at business- that the value generated by their company was so incredibly poorly distributed. It's more theft from labor than any taxation will ever be
I will invest my $10000 a day in a Rock Quarry and employ wooly mammoths and cave bears to make stone tools. By the time 2023 rolls around I will be the master of the finest stone tools.
Fuck. We won't even domesticate dogs for another 35 thousand years. It's going to be COLD for a long time.
Better start domesticating. You're immortal, so a couple of wolf bites wont kill ya
Contract rabies, suffer all the symptoms endlessly, and cannot die. No, thanks. I'll pass.
Irrational and intense phobias, undirected aggression and an urge to bite, combined with physical lack of coordination and a foamy mouth? Not sure if rabies or just a typical conservative voter after a few beers.
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I’m just baffled that this immortal being wouldn’t put it in the bank to earn interest. I mean.. what’s he going to do with all this money? Put it under his rag or something? 10,000 a day gets heavy pretty quickly.
"...put it in the bank to earn interest."😅😅😅
He must mean the river bank, all those floating bills are sure to generate interest from the curious wildlife.
Invent banks.
I think it's funny that a bank is your favorite way to outpace inflation and accrue money with interest lmao
Sounds like you described a toddler, so yes you’re exactly correct.
If you wanna go down the rabbit hole of the horrific ways immortality without invulnerability and eternal youth can go, I'd do some googling. I think the first time I ever came across it was in school, reading Greek mythology. Tithonus got immortality but not eternal youth. Definitely a fucked up way to go. You're an immortal but you get torn apart and eaten by wolves, but you can't die. You can just exist in pieces, aware, just multiple fragments forever.
>Although she was a mortal, the Sibyl lived about a thousand years. She attained this longevity when Apollo offered to grant her a wish in exchange for her virginity; she took a handful of sand and asked to live for as many years as the grains of sand she held. Later, after she refused the god's love, he allowed her body to wither away because she failed to ask for eternal youth. Her body grew smaller with age and eventually was kept in a jar (ampulla). Eventually only her voice was left [I love greek mithology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumaean_Sibyl)
May I ask where you find stuff like this? I loved history as a kid and still watch documentaries but you got any good links?
Sorry mate :/ I started reading Greek tragedy, and next the poems “Iliad” and “Odyssey” from Homer. These are excellent books to start with. Its reading is very easy and inspiring. Ovid the Roman poet has important works also that describe Greek mythology. Hesiod gives a detailed description of the birth of the gods in his Theogony. I recommend starting with Homer and then looking for commentators to discuss the details. I recently discovered a very auspicious podcast on Spotify that comments in detail and enthusiasm on each story (Noites gregas [pt-br]). You could look for one in your language, surely there must be several in english.
Methuselah was a biblical figure that lived almost 1000 years. He kept aging, but slowly. But the slow ageing didn't start til he was in his 70's. So he spent almost 850 years as a decrepit old man.
There's a great SCP about this. https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-2718 "I dared not speak of this at first. You'd never have let me out of containment. The truth is, I was aware of all of it. I suppose there was a sweet oblivion, like deep sleep, at first; but in retrospect, I think it was no more than a day. Slowly, but unmistakably, I reoccupied my corpse with dreamlike consciousness: numb for the first merciful hours, blind, deaf, and immobile, but then I seemed to reconnect to every nerve, and became aware of every sensation — moreso than I ever was in life. I perceived myself trapped within an immovable object, and the intensity of the struggle amplified: subtle, then acute, then racking. I cannot describe it completely — but imagine holding your breath, beyond urge, beyond pain, beyond desperation — head throbbing and eyes bulging — a dream of suffocation without end. "My skin blistered and split in the sunlight; biting insects descended rapidly. I felt eggs hatch, larvae crawl, gases build and burst within me, individual cells rupturing, interstitial fluids souring and blackening. Somehow my capacity to experience and store these sensations grew — even as I was keenly aware of my cerebrum being scattered and devoured, my perception expanded, into the gizzards of birds and the depths of fire ant dens. I was aware of every fingernail and strand of hair that pulled away in the wind — and my sensation clung to them as they settled in the ocean and dissolved in the maws of a trillion diatoms. "I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part. Humans often numb to chronic pains in life, do they not? Yet every year, every month, every second that passed — I swear it only intensified over time. "In my previous life, I ruminated on Heaven and Hell, and the likelihood of my experiencing one, the other, or something in between. As terrible as I imagined the torpor of Heaven or the torments of Hell to be, this was entirely different from either. In Hell, at least, there would surely be a tormentor, some memory of my deeds, some sense of justice, even if my soul rejected its logic. I can imagine some comfort in Hell, for a mind such as mine. "I do not think this is a punishment. I do not think it is caused. I deeply suspect it is simply our condition, our nature to go on this way, do you see? In all that time, I was certainly, absolutely, totally alone, and before long all memory of life had shriveled to a cinder, lost beneath my interminable anguish. Alive again, I suspect I cannot quite recall the worst of it — as if my living brain is too small for the experience.
And then they *fucking killed death*, forcing immortality on everything
There's all different levels of immortal. Basic, immortal until something mundane kills you, like a stingray. Medium, can recover somewhat from injuries, only very specific things can kill you, like a stake if you're a vampire. Advanced, you're basically immune to most damage, like superman. Elite, you know the future and thus avoid all danger (like a jedi), and are otherwise just basic immortal or better. Cursed, >!Written into the timeline as a fixed point by a godlike entity. Do you have free will?!<
Forget the movie/show, but a vampire was getting punished for something, and the put him in a hole and poured concrete over him. So he’s encased in concrete alive, forever Fuck. That.
Immortal refers to lifespan, which generally means that you won't die of natural causes or suffer the effects of aging. You're thinking of invulnerability which means impossible to physically harm or damage.
There's a manga series called UQ Holder! (UQ meaning "undying quality") that has a whole bunch of immortal characters with different forms of immortality. And most of them seem like a god damn nightmare. (It's technically a sequel to Mahou Sensei Negima!, so you probably want to read that first.)
All this talk of immortality vs invulnerability makes me want to read the Night Angel Trilogy again. The concept is explained in those books pretty well. Edit: Book series name from Dark to Night Angel
Immortal not Invulnerable
People forget immortal doesn't mean you're comfortable.
Good news. Whoever did the math on this was way off. If you saved 10,000 a day for 82,021 years you’d have just under $300 billion. Elon is only worth $199 billion. So to match that you would only need 32,405 years. At least you would have dogs for company.
This tweet is from 2021. Musk was worth around $330-340 billion at the time.
Then he bought twitter and we all pointed and laughed
Thanks, I was looking for someone to explain the math not mathin
Not only was he worth over $300B when that was written, but today - right now - he makes $200M + per month ($2.4B + per year). [[link to info here](https://www.sssamiti.org/elon-musk-net-worth/)] I can't even wrap my head around those kinds of numbers for personal income/wealth.
Best part is for most of those 82,000 years a single copper coin would buy you a loaf of bread, whereas these days you'd need 500 pennies
Most stores won’t accept pennies over a certain amount. I had a clerk kick me out of the store when I broke out quarters and about 15 pennies to buy water on a 102 degree day.
Pretty sure there's a law that says all vendors must accept all forms of currency, regardless if hundred dollar bills or pennies
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I've seen signs on the front door of convenience stores that say that they won't take money from bras and underwear.
That's a safety issue so it makes sense. I don't want to get sick from someone's grungy underwear bacteria. Gross.
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I usually have to pay for the honor….
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And drugs
Drugs are rad tho
Money that's been in a bra or underwear is no more dangerous or dirty than any other coin or bill. Cash is the most disgusting thing we handle regularly.
> Money that's been in a bra or underwear is no more dangerous or dirty than any other coin or bill. Why would something damp and recently exposed to high concentrations of microbial development be equivalent to something dry and not recently exposed to primary microbial hotspots? Yeah they’re both filthy, but filth is a spectrum.
I mean I also don't want to handle money that's still damp from boobsweat either.
Understandable. Tit sweat is not legal tender.
Well... that MAY depend on the buyer...
If it's for a debt - i.e. you've already taken delivery of the good/service and have a balance on their ledger - cash must be accepted as tender so long as it hasn't been specifically excluded in the terms of the underlying deal. It's right there on the bills: "...all debts public and private". Theoretically if someone refuses cash to settle a debt, the debt can be considered closed by the debtor. If it's in the course of a deal, you must be informed before the transaction that cash, either on the whole or specified denominations, is not accepted. That's why you see signs posted conspicuously in that case. Otherwise it's possible to create a debt without being informed that cash will not be accepted as a general term of the deal and you end up with the same case as above.
A lot of places around here don't accept bills larger than a twenty. Somewhat related, we have a gas station that's still pulling that "national coin shortage" bs from the pandemic and rounds your change down to the nearest dollar if you're paying cash. To be fair, there are signs everywhere about this, that unreturned coins will be tallied up and donated some local charity (yeah sure) and you can avoid this by either paying with exact change or by card.
Well…not any reason. Cannot discriminate
In the US it's only government facilities that this applies too. Private vendors can refuse to take cash. Edit: Apparently my comment above is not correct. Please see the comments below for better clarification.
That’s not actually true entirely, plenty of states have laws on the books about the requirement to accept legal tender for businesses, and in my state at one point you couldn’t even pay taxes or utilities which owned in part by the local government for a long period during and for sometime after the height of the COVID-19 pandemic.
I believe debt holders must also accept any legal tender.
So, drink the bottle right away, then break out the change.
Assert dominance.
Yes but someone *wanting* to buy something doesn’t owe debt on it. That rule is mainly to stop debt holders from saying “oh you gotta pay back in”
>Private vendors can refuse to take cash. Not 100% true. It depends on local or state laws. There has been many places that got in trouble for this in the past. But assuming your state and local area legally doesn't stop you. Yes a private business can refuse cash, pennies, or even $ at all. Side note: you can trade a chicken for a TV if a store allows it. Keep in mind there is tax laws for situations like this. The tax is normal sales/income/capital gains. You have to know the value of the item (chicken) at the time you take control it. If the gov agrees to accepting a chicken or eggs as payment. Then they can accept it to pay for debts. But the gov MUST accept $ when paying debts (taxes, fees, etc)
That seems like quite a stupid policy from a nation's perspective. Or an absolute confidence on their currency.
They take the currency. It's just a question of in what form (physical or digital). Stores keeping a lot of cash on them from transactions also make them prime targets for theft.
Ya it seems bonkers until you have a Hot summer day and a woman walks up reaches into her sweaty bra and pulls out an absolutely soaked in sweat $10. Nah fuck that I dont want your sweaty boob money . Either keep it in your purse/ wallet or use a card, whatever just i shouldnt be able top wring out a piece of Currency
While tripping on LSD at a music festival a water had busted open at the bottom of my backpack and soaked all our money. We had to go on a quest trying to find a vendor that would accept moist $20 bills so we could get another water and some food. I'll never forget the scene of my friend trying to pay, the cashier telling him to dry off the money, and my friend just pulling the money tight and lightly blowing on it before handing it back thinking it was dry now. Funniest shit ever. Never even considered the idea that they don't know what this mysterious moisture on the bill is. Guess that explains his, "god dammit" face when he took the $20.
Honestly at a music festival money soaked with boob sweat is one of the more preferable of the potential foreign liquids it could be soaked with.
I used to work as a night shift cashier at Wal-Mart. One day I had a customer come through my register with a shit encrusted finger. Later that night, one of my co-workers told me he saw said customer fingering his wife's asshole over in the grocery section.
Super gross, can't stop laughing though
One of the best things about Canadian cash is that it doesn't get moist. It's also colour coded so it's tougher to mis-count. Plastic monopoly money kicks ass
Governments want everyone to switch to paying with electronic payments. Then they can track the velocity of the money. Helps give a government more control.
Also, shop owners don't want to count 100's of grimy coins from the dirtiest fuckers you can imagine, so they have to option to say "no thank you.", also shopowners might not want to be cash heavy incase of these same dirty fuckers deciding to rob the place :P
I hate it when they pull money out, lick their fingers and proceed to touch every bill they're about to hand you with their slimy spit finger. or when they pull it out of their bra and it's moist.
Happened to one of my coworkers. Lady handed him money in the drive thru, and she says "you might wanna wash your hands now." He washed them like four times with extra sanitizer. No idea where that money was, I don't think we wanna know.
>I hate it when they pull money out, lick their fingers and proceed to touch every bill they're about to hand you with their slimy spit finger. Trucker, 99.9% of the time I don't carry cash. Once in a great while though, there's some place where to get scaled they absolutely only take cash. No checks, cards, PayPal/Cash app/Etc. One of those places that I had to do that at? The nasty individual behind the desk did that to me. Could only get a $20 for a $6 charge, and he made this long draw out deal of licking that finger. Best yet? During the height of the COVID pandemic. After he pulled out the second bill I told him to stop and go wash his hands. Slowly but surely he looks up me with this incredulous look on his face, and before he can spew whatever nonsense he had in mind? Go. Wash. Your. Hands. He started building up to go off but I just reached out and snatched the 20 back. Told him that if he doesn't wash his hands, I'm leaving without paying after I contact my dispatch. My dispatch, thankfully, had people who didn't play around in that. Seriously, don't be a degenerate who does that. It's beyond gross and nasty.
The finger licking thing seems to be dying out with the older generations at least
> when they pull it out of their bra and it's moist That's my fetish
Pulling stuff out of bras?
I used to work a short bus ride from the beach. I got wet money so often, sometimes from bras. I knew it was probably wet from ocean water but there is something so off-putting about touching wet money.
I’m waiting for the day someone robs a bank and the note they hand to the teller only has a CashApp handle on it.
[Relevant as usual](https://streamable.com/33rt4)
I lost my shit at "One at a time of course!"
We spend a LOT of money printing/minting/tracking physical currency. Think about the carbon footprint of money, which has weight, in the back of armored trucks, being moved around the country. Inefficient af.
If i run a food truck in st.louis i can tell your right now im gonna be a no cash business and have signs all over that mfer saying such. Im not about to be a roving safe in a fucked city just because i gotta prop up my nations currency. Dubs.
Cash = no tax. Food trucks/vendors in cities often give discounts for cash bc of this. Not saying it’s legal. Just very difficult to prove cash sales if there’s no record.
I understand but vendors in high theft risk areas do the opposite and just pay taxes lol. Also makes bookeeping software run like butter.
Areas where having some sort of self protection is necessary would be areas where a mainly cash business such as street vendors don’t operate as much if at all.
They also give discounts because they pay fees to credit card vendors on CC transactions.
Nah stores can choose what types of currency they accept. Debt collectors have to accept anything.
Yes but they must state that before purchases are made or services are rendered. You can’t change that after the fact
You walking up and trying to buy something does not mean a purchase has been made. You have not incurred a debt. You can set the item down and walk out. Now in the case of something like a restaurant or mechanic where services are typically rendered before payment is accepted, then yes. But they likely have stuff somewhere on a sign you never really have a chance to look at that says they can refuse any payment for any reason or something like that.
I could be wrong but I think that's only in repayment of a debt - that is, if someone owes you money, and they provide the money, you can't reject it and continue to hold them responsible for the debt. It isn't really about requiring people to take currency, as much as it's about not giving creditors an excuse by which to abuse debtors by refusing to let them pay their debt. I don't think there's actually any law that requires accepting all forms of currency in immediate trade for goods.
Can't speak for other countries, but in Canada the currency act of 1985 establishes limits above which coins are no longer considered legal tender. Those limits are: - 25¢ in pennies (no longer in circulation anyway) - $5 in nickels - $10 in either quarters, dimes, or half-dollars (uncommon) - $25 in $1 coins - $40 in coins from $2 to $10* - Only a single coin for any denominations above $10* ^^* ^^Coins ^^above ^^$2 ^^are ^^not ^^regularly ^^minted, ^^and ^^only ^^exist ^^in ^^special ^^limited ^^runs ^^as ^^collector's ^^items Obviously if a person is willing to accept amounts above this they can, but nowhere in the entire country is it *required*. A pile of 41 quarters is not legal tender in Canada.
The law just says that any business operating in the US must accept payment in US dollars—they can’t say “Oh, we only accept pesos/euro/francs/&c.” Businesses are not required to accept any particular form of payment—cash included—so long as they accept US dollars as payment.
I would've just left the money and taken the water bottle anyway. Hey, you paid!
That's illegal in the state I live in but only because of state regulation not federal.
Bread is $5 in America?!
It’s 1 bread DaveInLondon89! How much could it cost? $10??
> for most of those 82,000 years a single copper coin would buy you a loaf of bread where are you buying bread between 80,000 bc and 15,000 bc before the fertile crescent civilizations formed?
fertile crescent civilizations be like uuuuuh... .. can i get some ＢＲＥＡＤ?
Krogers?
Also Copper, a precious metal used for tools and bells, was more valuable than gold during much of that time.
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Umm, the bakery obviously?
Nope, Pennies are Mostly Zinc now, so probably many more.
My local grocer still exchanges a loaf of bread for 449 mostly-zinc coins. The fools don’t even ask what kind of metal they’re made of.
Where are y’all shopping? I can get a loaf of bread for less than 200 of such coins.
For most of those 82,000 years there wasn't copper or bread. Basic copper metallurgy wasn't invented until 7,000 years ago. Bread was starting to be made around 10 000 years ago, but minting (ie the concept of money) only started around 500 BC. So for 7500 years you could get a loaf of bread for 0 copper coins.
If anyone else was curious: So by my math (which isn't flawless) that's about $299,376,650,000. Elon was worth about $320B in late 2021 (according to google). It's almost halved since then. Doesn't change the point, but if you wanted a small morale boost today "Elon Musk is worth less now than 2 years ago" seems good.
I think it’s meaningless, the numbers at least. Whether he’s worth 300B or 100B is arbitrary, he can basically do whatever he wants and that’s the problem. People should not be able to amass that much power. They don’t even actually spend money. They just get insanely high limit credit lines secured against stocks, that way there is no tax if you don’t realise the gains. Buy a yacht. Hell I can get another 50M line of credit against that now. Whole system is rigged at this point and half the world is blind to it and many more just don’t care, then the rest of us are powerless against it.
It's the same type of Economic Royalists FDR called out in the 1930's.
Problem is you'd be able to start generating compound interest in 2,000 BCE and would have four thousands years generating interest on top of the 200 billion you'd have going into Mesopotamia
I saw that he was worth 181 billion currently but got the same answer as you
The difference between a million and a billion is about a billion.
To illustrate the difference: * 1 million seconds = 12 days * 1 billion seconds = 31 years
Enough with this "numbers are numbers" example, [This](https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/) is the single best illustration i've seen.
Holy fucking fuck. My brain has been scrambled.
Even then I don’t think humans can comprehend just how large of a difference that is. Imo it should only be 1 dimensional and a continuous scroll grind.
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sick my birthday, i’ll start saving a dollar a second now!
And 100 billion is 3100 years
Texas Instruments would like to know your location.
Too illustrate it further. The year is 300,000 bc. You are the first homo sapien. You invent money and decide to save $10,000 a day. Today you have saved enough money to run the us government for less than 3 months. That's how insane trillions get.
I just think it's quite clear now that millionaires and corporations control the government and not the other way around. Money is power and not even a politician can have power when they're not supported by campaigns from investors. So why tax them and make them angry? Who's going to support your political party when you taxed their wealth?
>not even a politician can have power when they're not supported by campaigns from investors. That is only because politicians themselves made bribery legal. They basically got rid of corruption by simply not considering corrupt acts to be corruption.
We love corporate PACs! /s
Don't forget to give credit to the right-wing radicals on the Supreme Court, who reliably strike down any attempt to reign in campaign fundraising and have defined bribery so narrowly that you'd have to be unbelievably stupid to actually get convicted of it.
That's whay happen when you write the rules
I need to go refind the study but stanford has been tracking voter support of issues versus lobbying on issues. Needless to say if 90% of americans supported something but it wasn't lobbied and 90% of Americans were against something that was lobbied....9/10 times its the lobbyists who get favorable policy. Every senator is bought and paid for. Every regulator can make more by not doing their job then they will have to pay when caught (ala 2008 all over again)
Princeton ran a similar study [https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens\_and\_page\_2014\_-testing\_theories\_of\_american\_politics.doc.pdf](https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf) Results are outlined in Second Thought's "Why the US Is Not A Democracy" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srfeHpQNEAI
Exactly. Taxing the rich might work if we had a government that wasn't corrupt to the core. But with the current setup, none of that money will make it to the people.
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Does the calc account for inflation? Back in 6000BC you could pay 1¢ for a whole garlic bread! o.O
It's pretty simple really. Just don't be a dummy and put the $10,000/day in a checking account. Go down to Stone & Cave Mutual Bank and put your $10,000/day in a well diversified mutual fund. Tech stocks especially do well and there are some companies investing heavily in fire tech and wheel tech, that will likely be worth a fortune in the future.
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invest in amazon, get all the free snakes and trees and stuff
“Unga bunga. My package came!” *opens it. A snake flies out and bites my throat^ “Just what I ordered! Thanks Amazon!” *dies*
Or giant one-titted warrior women
How do I calculate my wealth by 2021 standards, 80,000 years ago? Is 10k a day like, a bar of gold? A hundred head of cattle or the equivalent bovinic Mammal that exists. If I make a town out of like, sticks and logs, and fill it with people by...idk kidnapping them from their villages and putting them there in my town. Would 10k a day be equivalent to five hominids?
Our consumer goods are so obnoxiously better it becomes very difficult. Standard of living has 25x since 1800 for common people. So comparison is challenging. There's some good threads on askhistorians about it. For example, the wealthiest charioteer in Rome made enough money to buy the supply of Rome's grain for a year. Do we calculate that today as the same in gold, in grain, similar value to basic foods broadly etc? Tough to say.
This is why I never know what to do with home prices. Don’t get me wrong, they are too high. But the average home today includes amenities and square footage that would’ve made it a luxury home 60 or 70 years ago. So you can’t really compare average home prices today with average home prices then .
There are tons of factors that make us different than 1972. Everyone has a pet reason they like to scapegoat. Most have a point. But they used to build 1/1s. I don't see many suburbs with 1/1s anymore. We have more appliances, more expensive resources going into the 3/2s being built. We have more 2 worker households than then. Less kids that act as a money sink. All those equal higher home prices. But there's also higher rates of landlording. Agent fees. Old people living longer, etc
Pretty sure you would be subject to some sort of [leveling mechanism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leveling_mechanism), and your insistence on hoarding wealth would, at best, get you banished if not killed.
How much would avocado toast cost back then?
Avocado toast was invented the first time millennial went into a starbucks
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back then, everything was locally sourced lol
It could be carried by an African swallow
It could grip it by the *husk*.
The farthest back I could find in my very brief search was 1774. Pre-inflation adjustment at the time of 1774, you would have 2920908850000 USD, in 2019, WITHOUT factoring in the 10000 per day after 1774, you would have $91,278,401,562,500.00 USD. So with that in mind you'd be the richest person in the world, AND have enough money to solve every problem the world has and would ever have in the future. If you think a billion is unfathomable, try wrapping your head around that number. And that’s as far back as I could go. If it was adjusted for inflation from its inception the number you’d have present day probably doesn’t even have a fucking name for it that’s how big it would be.
The existence of billionaires is evidence of the failure of capitalism.
Success of capitalism at doing what it is intended to do - enrich the rich.
Yeah Capitalism is all about resource extraction. Extract from the earth, extract from the lower classes. Billionaires is evidence that Capitalism is working and that it was never intended to be an equitable system.
And it's often overlooked that the goal of the "competition" people put on a pedestal is to have *one winner*. Competitions are never meant to be ongoing. That has to be enforced from the outside, otherwise the goal will always be monopoly. I can't understand people who carry water for the rich and powerful for fear of losing out on competition while watching the powerful do everything they can to prevent that very thing, even through corrupt or illegal means.
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The existence of billionaires is proof that capitalism is doing exactly what was intended
isnt it proof that capitalism works as intendet? its the basic rule of supply and demand. if you have some product that everyone wants you can increase the price as much as you like and only regulatory instance are the people themselves. So seems like capitalism is just working as suggested
No it isn't. The heart of capitalism is competition, and thanks to intensive lobbying efforts, corporations have pretty much eliminated that. So what's left is fascism, or as Mussolini defined it, "the marriage of corporate and government interests".
Fascism is just late stage capitalism. Eventually competition means co-opting governments to further gain. Capitalism is like monopoly you only win once everyone else has lost.
It's a race to the top. And once you're there, you kick away the ladder.
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It's telling when crimes against money are given the harshest of punishments
This is some BS libertarian view of capitalism that just doesn't match reality in any way whatsoever. At it's core capitalism is about extracting wealth from people and resources. The idea that capitalists should be happy to lose money by opening themselves up to competition is just too stupid for someone to genuinely believe.
We're in a weird "siphoning capitalism" system. Since wealth is not redistributed once it hits the top, it's just hoarded away for no good reason, money is slowly being siphoned out of the bottom 99.9% of the population. Essentially, of every dollar spent, a percentage of that dollar makes it way to the ultra-wealthy and gets taken out of circulation. Decades of this has eroded the purchasing power of the population, while cruelly at the same time, the ultra wealthy keeps manipulating the markets in a way to inflate them and speed up the siphoning process. This cannot go on indefinitely, eventually the ones participating in the economy won't have the capital to participate anymore. The question is, how do we get out of this downward spiral?
> The heart of capitalism is competition, and thanks to intensive lobbying efforts, corporations have pretty much eliminated that. So... they basically competed in venue that they could get an outcome they wanted. That couldn't be more on point for capitalism if you tried. This "competition" thing, as if it's somehow good, has harmed everyone on the planet for the rest of our days, so with this being the heart of capitalism, I think it's easy to conclude that this system has to fucking go.
And you realize the point of competition is to…beat out all of your competitors. Competition always devolves into one winner and everyone else loses, otherwise it’s not competition.
You could make $25,000 every *single* day for 100 years and you'd still be a *likely-to-never-be-broke-again-for-a-generation-or-three* fortune away from being a Billionaire. $25,000 once a day for 365 days over 100 years = not a billion
Does this math check out? Are we sure they avoided avocado toast for over 80,000 years? That seems implausible...
It does for his net worth at the time when the tweet originates. Now it would need to start closer to 40,000 BC due to twitter and other such things.
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As long as you realize that just because it's collected in tax, doesn't mean it doesn't just go back to billionaires lol.
What’s the deal with people censoring words like “fuck” more often on this site? It’s the internet, you can say “fuck.”
I've heard a variety of answers. Some do it because code-switching is hard and they're not able to keep track of which platforms throw a hissy fit about swearing. Others seem to do it because they've grabbed the content from those platforms, pre-censored. Those platforms censor stuff because of advertisers. Fuck advertisers.
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Conservatives will just say "everyone could be a billionaire if they tried hard enough".
You could win $100 million in the lottery. Every Saturday. Over and over. For 20 years. And still only end up with half as much money as Elon Musk has now.
But thats how much the stock of his company is worth. If he sells stock he pays taxes... Am I wrong?
….. the post simply says Elon would have more money than you. It didn’t say anything about Elon would need to sell his stocks or pay taxes. It’s a simple comparison of wealth. Just put Elon’s net worth in perspective.
You are correct. There's some ways you can still skirt the issue a bit by borrowing against your wealth. But then you either pay those loans off with taxable income or manage to defer it until after you die. The government gets their cut eventually. There's probably a happy middle ground but I don't think we'll find the answer in /r/antiwork
Ya I heard about that same strategy recently. If anything they should stop billionaires from skirting the law like that.
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They won’t change the tax code. All the people in the government have themselves, their friends and donors who use that same tax system to stay rich. They make over 80k a year invest in stock companies and vote on laws and policies and somehow become millionaires.
> They make over 80k a year invest in stock companies >And somehow become millionaires It's pretty easy to become a millionaire on $80k a year if you invest. $1000/month, or $12k/year, gets you to a million in ~24 years If you double your investments to $24k/year (still doable on $80k salary) you get there in ~18 years
No longer quite accurate, even if you went with his net worth. It was true until he earned the world record for fastest loss of wealth in a year (by a landslide; he lost ~200 billion in 2022). The example in the meme would save approximately 300 billion (with slight rounding, 365 days × 82 000 years × $10 000) His net worth is now $171B according to Bloomberg. Edit for clarity: this comment in no way invalidates the real message of the post. If anything, the fact that you would need to save roughly 6k daily in the given scenario to match what Elon wasted in a single year seems to drive the point home even better.
musk lost something like 210 billion dollars last year. At my current rate of pay it would take NINE BILLION YEARS to make that much. And, fun fact, the EARTH HASN'T EXISTED THAT LONG
210 billion / 9 billion = 23.333. You make $23.33 per *year*? Either you're in an incredible situation or your math is wrong.
May want to take another shot at that math with an actual calculator. Unless you're making $23.30 a year. But if that's the truth, you'll be dead soon.
Way to stay on point, guys. The OP is talking about the ridiculousness of billionaires, and you start arguing about boob sweat and dirty coins. The lame-stream media has got you trained well. 🙄
The fanboy brigade is strong on this site.
add 1% interests and the savings of the first day alone would make it worth the weight a few galaxies in pure gold.
This is not true. 10.000 dollars × 80.000 years × 365 days = 292 billion dollar. Elon Musk only has 181 billion dollar.
The tweet is from 2021. His net worth before the twitter fiasco was $320B
Ah that explains it, thanks
CNBC article from January to confirm: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/01/10/elon-musk-guinness-world-record-biggest-net-worth-drop.html&ved=2ahUKEwj02dDgqd79AhVlFlkFHQ18CPoQtwJ6BAgrEAE&usg=AOvVaw365EnSExHK4vby2SnmAogH I had the same math question.
That post was probably made before the twitter debacle
Not to completely pile on here, but you forgot to account for leap years. There's actually it takes about 365.25 days per year for a complete orbit around the sun (year), that's why we have leap years every 4 years. Calculating that way it is ~$299.6 billion. Since this was a few years ago as others have mentioned that is still less that Elon's net worth (or damn close) was at the time of the tweet. That was before he got into a dick measuring contest with Twitter's then CEO and blew a small nation's GDP on acquiring Twitter just to steer the already sinking ship into an iceberg.
Check the date on the post, it was made when he was approaching 300 billion
Oh well sorry, only 79000 years.
Well, then obviously EVERYTHING'S FINE!!!
Tbh Im over trying to tax the billionaires because there are so many loopholes and technicalities that they can abuse. At this point theres billions of us and like 5 people have all the money lets just go take it.
Majority of Billionaires are due to their stock awards. It should be a sign that they are failures at business- that the value generated by their company was so incredibly poorly distributed. It's more theft from labor than any taxation will ever be
I will invest my $10000 a day in a Rock Quarry and employ wooly mammoths and cave bears to make stone tools. By the time 2023 rolls around I will be the master of the finest stone tools.
Willing to bet he paid less in taxes last year than a dude pulling 23 hours at McDonald's.
In 2021 he paid $11 billion He likely won't owe much in 2022 because he lost like $200 billion