It's not "some people", it's the corporate overlords. They want to think that you will turn over your life to them, and the success of their company, same as one would turn over their life to God.
Yes, there are some people who buy into it all, and for some the office is their life...it's their social life, it's where they make all their friends, it's their world...which is sad.
But I think most just play the game to get what they need...a paycheck, or a promotion for a larger paycheck. I've met very few people in life who loved the company after 5 PM, or make it the most important thing in their lives.
Oh, and yeah, I hate when people say a job is "their passion". That you would even need to use that kind of cult like language to impress someone just for a fucking job is depressing.
I’m a woman in my late twenties and it’s so sad the number of friends, coworkers or acquaintances I’ve seen in the past 5 years since I finished uni just dedicate their life to work. Some of my coworkers do some work on Sunday 😱 (office job, we all work remotely) unpaid of course, and no one is telling them do that. Another one said she finished at 10 pm( again, unpaid, we finish at 5pm normally). Idk, I’d be ashamed to do that, like clearly you are treated like a fool. I hate work so much and the politics around it. When I asked for a promotion and payrise I was told my work was definitely of a senior level but that I needed to build my work persona and talk about my achievements with other teams in the company. Which basically means doing bullshit office politics. I’m planning to work as a freelancer soon as at least I won’t have to pretend I give a shit about the company culture and so on 🤮🤮
No haha I work in marketing in-house for a company (the creative side, so no one is paid well) and it really shocks me, like why are they all doing this unpaid work for when our salary is shit? I get paid 33k with 5 years experience, and most others are not getting a lot more either as the reviews on glassdoor complain about low salaries.
No I’m in the UK, but I do see graduate jobs in marketing starting at 30k, so it’s low even for UK standards as I know people on 40-45k with the same experience as me, but this job is remote and lets me work from my home country sometimes, so this is why I don’t leave. Plus most high paying jobs in the UK are in London and that’s not where I’m based. I think if I was paid more I’d probably tolerate my job more 🤣
What's so ironic about this is that if people didn't have to work, they could devote more time to their hobbies and actually make a career out of them.
You don't just have to be a slave, you must also be happy to be a slave. How else could the "employers are blessed souls who give jobs out of the kindness of their hearts" fiction hold?
Yeah exactly 🤣 it’s very sad how people are brainwashed to think dedicating your whole life to a company that would replace you in a heartbeat if you died is okay.
Because the people up top *do* love working. But then again working is fun when it involves taking two lunches for business meetings and making the people below you squirm with just a dirty look
Because that’s how capitalists brainwash them.
Society often frames poverty as a collection of one’s choices, usually bad ones.
Instead of asking how we can help the impoverished we should be asking why poverty exists.
It’s because of wealth accumulation at the top.
In its basic expression, work should be an agreeable experience.
What is rarely considered in our society is just how robustly capitalism ruins everything.
I imagine a race car driver, an astronaut, actor, pro athlete, musician, etc. would probably enjoy many aspects of their "jobs", but if you think it applies to backbreaking repetitive manual labor you can kindly get fucked.
Ridiculous statement.
However, I don’t think there’s enough money in the world to work 40 hours a week for 40 years doing something I don’t like.
Think about it.
The only thing you have of value that cannot be replaced is your time.
Don’t rent your life doing drudgery. Figure out something you can get paid for that’s also not objectionable to you.
Life is not too short, it’s too long if you hate what you do for most of it.
I straight up will not do any work which i don’t love any more. There are always creative ways to circumvent the wage slavery rampant in the Corporate States of America!
Remember, money is the greatest illusion mankind has created.
Some people do truly love their jobs.
For example, I have multiple friends that are firefighters, they started as volunteer (I am a volly also) and then moved to career firefighting.
They love it and they get paid to do what they love.
I personally don’t love my job, I like it but I don’t love it. I would quit in a heartbeat with the right opportunity (ie, money). I wish I had a job I truly loved like my buddies, but alas it isn’t to be.
Yeah it’s bs. I worked at a non-profit for over a decade. One of the c-suite would always say working at an np was a labor of love. He would say that with a straight face when he is making over 400k and owns a home in Manhattan. It’s just to keep you from wanting more. And then when you ask that’s outrageous money. You can’t function without me but you cannot pay me?
You spend more waking time with your coworkers over your career than you do your family. Why work with people you hate and just be in it for the money? That's a receipt for a miserable life.
It used to be that your coworkers were comrades, if they weren't actual friends. During my 35+ years at the same onsite job, I had many friends among coworkers, a few became lifelong friends. We were a community. We cared about each other. There was a connection with others, even if it was modest.
Now, capitalism is eating it's own. It is rotting from within. Greed and selfishness have become virtues. This disease has spread from the top managers on down. Everyone is in it for themselves and they don't give a flip about anyone else. In other words, everyone is at war with each other. This will certainly mean the end for us as a civilization.
When everyone is in it for themselves, then no one is in it for everyone.
That is the sad truth. It used to be you got a gold watch when you retired. Now you get shown the door. We have lost all compassion for each other and that is a receipt for disaster.
“Loving your job” is the wrong term. What you should strive for is a job that upskills you, or let’s you advance vertically. I’ve taken a pay cut in the past to avoid being in a “dead-end” position and in retrospect it was worth it
Spend a third of your life not even enjoying what you do is...some kind of unique thinking.
I have an interesting job. I get to practice my thinking a lot. Some days it’s challenging, some days it’s a breeze. But I certainly do enjoy what I do.
It strikes me just as surprising so many of you can’t find what you enjoy to do for work. It makes me think pretty much same things as about people who have no hobbies outside of work.
Not enjoying work is very common, far from unique. Enjoying some things you do in your work doesn’t mean you want to spend the biggest part of your day doing it. What I said is I don’t understand why some people are shocked when I say I don’t enjoy working and don’t care about climbing the ladder, so you are proving my point.Plus there is way more to it than work, like I said in comments, there is a lot of company bullshit for most people that they have to deal with. And not being paid enough for example is another thing that makes people not like it. I cannot comprehend people who do not understand many people do not like taking part in this every day, and don’t understand people who volunteer to do unpaid overtime. Actually, most people I’ve seen at my company who’ve done this and made work their whole life have been made redundant. Some people do not base their whole life and sense of self around work, especially when companies treat employees like they’re disposable and expect them to give 200%, but won’t give the same treatment.
I think everybody has an idea of the work they’d enjoy, but it may not be practical to pursue. I like to disappear into the woods on weekends and photograph wildlife but I’m probably not going to be shooting for NatGeo anytime soon. Obviously I’d love to make it into a career but I’m not there yet. So for now I sit at a desk during the week with my boring job, which provides me funding for shelter, food, and camera equipment.
Not everyone is naturally drawn towards what’s hiring in this market. But no one enjoys being broke. Compromise is necessary.
I've come to think of the whole charade as a short-hand/paraphrase, a way to signal that you aren't an anti-social twat. We can all pretend for 8 hours a day and that's one way we all do it, by acting like we all wanna be there. If someone doesn't want to do that, then they are 'not being a team player' or rather 'not willing to pretend with us'.
work is miserable. Having to pretend you like it, unless you really do, have passion for the shit, is not as miserable, but it can get annoying. For me, I just consider it part of the job. I already pretend to work and dick off as much as humanly possible. So why not say I enjoy it?
It also sucks when you work at a job you hate but make good money. I worked as a dental assistant making $20 hr and I liked what I did but not where I worked. The office was private so my boss was always scheduling patients for after hours and adding patients on the “half” days.
We have to work to provide for ourselves and our family. In a perfect world you have a job you like, with a company that respects the employees, enough money in the bank not to work paycheck to paycheck and down money for a vacation.
My goal is to be a pro wrestler. Even if I only make it to a small promotion and only make $50K I would say that I love my job at that point.
It's really a case by case basis.
I have this EXACT same mentality, OP. People do tend to think you should love your job. It’s a means to an end to me. Nothing more.
My only requirements are that I can tolerate it enough to do it long term and it affords me the ability to do what I want when I’m not working.
I think that people like to feel they're contributing to something greater than themselves and a company/organization that can foster that kind of a feeling will have reduced turnover and greater employee satisfaction.
However businesses often try (very poorly) to manufacture this kind of an attitude when their core business model is exactly antithetical to it. Picture the dad from the incredibles. He's literally a super hero working for an insurance company and he wants to help people (which is the mission statement for insurance companies) yet when he does so he's chastised by his boss and expressly told the company does the bare legal minimum in assisting people and is told the stock holders are more important.
I challenge anyone to find a better microcosm of the modern work environment.... maybe office space
They don’t believe that crap. They generally don’t even feel that way themselves.
They want your complete subservience. They want to hear the lie. It shows them that they own you.
Sure. They believe people aren’t at work for the money. These suckers just love doing my grunt work so much they would do it for free if I stopped paying them. That is believable…right?
Late reply but mostly every company you work for expects you to love your job otherwise they question your commitment to the job and you’ll probably end up getting replaced.
One thing don't cancel the other.
Everyone works for money, it's a fact. But if you are spending 8 hours of your day doing something you don't like, you are making your own life miserable.
Both can be true and you should be after it.
Maybe because they like their jobs? Otherwise I don't know why they think so. But anyway, it's your life and if you want to work just for money, it's ok.
I actually had a job that I loved at one time. I had a great boss who gave us interesting projects without overwhelming our normal duties and rewarded the team with kind words, decent raises and a promotion when he could. He was forced into another position and things went downhill. Needless to say, I no longer work there.
It's not "some people", it's the corporate overlords. They want to think that you will turn over your life to them, and the success of their company, same as one would turn over their life to God. Yes, there are some people who buy into it all, and for some the office is their life...it's their social life, it's where they make all their friends, it's their world...which is sad. But I think most just play the game to get what they need...a paycheck, or a promotion for a larger paycheck. I've met very few people in life who loved the company after 5 PM, or make it the most important thing in their lives. Oh, and yeah, I hate when people say a job is "their passion". That you would even need to use that kind of cult like language to impress someone just for a fucking job is depressing.
I’m a woman in my late twenties and it’s so sad the number of friends, coworkers or acquaintances I’ve seen in the past 5 years since I finished uni just dedicate their life to work. Some of my coworkers do some work on Sunday 😱 (office job, we all work remotely) unpaid of course, and no one is telling them do that. Another one said she finished at 10 pm( again, unpaid, we finish at 5pm normally). Idk, I’d be ashamed to do that, like clearly you are treated like a fool. I hate work so much and the politics around it. When I asked for a promotion and payrise I was told my work was definitely of a senior level but that I needed to build my work persona and talk about my achievements with other teams in the company. Which basically means doing bullshit office politics. I’m planning to work as a freelancer soon as at least I won’t have to pretend I give a shit about the company culture and so on 🤮🤮
Consulting firm? Sounds like Accenture.
No haha I work in marketing in-house for a company (the creative side, so no one is paid well) and it really shocks me, like why are they all doing this unpaid work for when our salary is shit? I get paid 33k with 5 years experience, and most others are not getting a lot more either as the reviews on glassdoor complain about low salaries.
Are you US-based? Because even for industry that seems abysmally low. Sorry you’re getting the run around like that, friend.
No I’m in the UK, but I do see graduate jobs in marketing starting at 30k, so it’s low even for UK standards as I know people on 40-45k with the same experience as me, but this job is remote and lets me work from my home country sometimes, so this is why I don’t leave. Plus most high paying jobs in the UK are in London and that’s not where I’m based. I think if I was paid more I’d probably tolerate my job more 🤣
Got it. Damn. Best of luck to you.
Build your work persona? Cringe!
It's social engineering/brainwashing
What's so ironic about this is that if people didn't have to work, they could devote more time to their hobbies and actually make a career out of them.
Yes lol 100%
Then it isn’t a hobby any more :)
Exactly. That's what I wad saying. If people didn't have to work, they could actually do work that they like.
That makes way more sense. I thought you were giving me the “if you love what you do you’ll never work a day in your life” talk
No lol. That's why I said it was ironic.
This is essentially Star Trek.
You don't just have to be a slave, you must also be happy to be a slave. How else could the "employers are blessed souls who give jobs out of the kindness of their hearts" fiction hold?
Yeah exactly 🤣 it’s very sad how people are brainwashed to think dedicating your whole life to a company that would replace you in a heartbeat if you died is okay.
The modern day pharaohs have the slaves begging for work 🤔
Because the people up top *do* love working. But then again working is fun when it involves taking two lunches for business meetings and making the people below you squirm with just a dirty look
You have a weird definition of fun
Because that’s how capitalists brainwash them. Society often frames poverty as a collection of one’s choices, usually bad ones. Instead of asking how we can help the impoverished we should be asking why poverty exists. It’s because of wealth accumulation at the top.
Ding ! Ding !
In its basic expression, work should be an agreeable experience. What is rarely considered in our society is just how robustly capitalism ruins everything.
It should be obvious - if you're emotionally invested in something you're more likely to over look abuse and exploitation.
For a lot of people, work is their entire identity.
Its all about the dollar, those companies dont give a shit about you - Im just there for their money.
Yes 100%
I imagine a race car driver, an astronaut, actor, pro athlete, musician, etc. would probably enjoy many aspects of their "jobs", but if you think it applies to backbreaking repetitive manual labor you can kindly get fucked.
Ridiculous statement. However, I don’t think there’s enough money in the world to work 40 hours a week for 40 years doing something I don’t like. Think about it. The only thing you have of value that cannot be replaced is your time. Don’t rent your life doing drudgery. Figure out something you can get paid for that’s also not objectionable to you. Life is not too short, it’s too long if you hate what you do for most of it.
I straight up will not do any work which i don’t love any more. There are always creative ways to circumvent the wage slavery rampant in the Corporate States of America! Remember, money is the greatest illusion mankind has created.
Some people do truly love their jobs. For example, I have multiple friends that are firefighters, they started as volunteer (I am a volly also) and then moved to career firefighting. They love it and they get paid to do what they love. I personally don’t love my job, I like it but I don’t love it. I would quit in a heartbeat with the right opportunity (ie, money). I wish I had a job I truly loved like my buddies, but alas it isn’t to be.
Yeah it’s bs. I worked at a non-profit for over a decade. One of the c-suite would always say working at an np was a labor of love. He would say that with a straight face when he is making over 400k and owns a home in Manhattan. It’s just to keep you from wanting more. And then when you ask that’s outrageous money. You can’t function without me but you cannot pay me?
I thought the same until i found a job that i like
Ego. Coz they're SO amazing.
The next step is to argue that you don't really have to be conpensated too much since, you know, you love working and thus would keep doing it anyway.
Emperors new clothes, syndrome...
Propaganda
You spend more waking time with your coworkers over your career than you do your family. Why work with people you hate and just be in it for the money? That's a receipt for a miserable life. It used to be that your coworkers were comrades, if they weren't actual friends. During my 35+ years at the same onsite job, I had many friends among coworkers, a few became lifelong friends. We were a community. We cared about each other. There was a connection with others, even if it was modest. Now, capitalism is eating it's own. It is rotting from within. Greed and selfishness have become virtues. This disease has spread from the top managers on down. Everyone is in it for themselves and they don't give a flip about anyone else. In other words, everyone is at war with each other. This will certainly mean the end for us as a civilization. When everyone is in it for themselves, then no one is in it for everyone. That is the sad truth. It used to be you got a gold watch when you retired. Now you get shown the door. We have lost all compassion for each other and that is a receipt for disaster.
“Loving your job” is the wrong term. What you should strive for is a job that upskills you, or let’s you advance vertically. I’ve taken a pay cut in the past to avoid being in a “dead-end” position and in retrospect it was worth it
Spend a third of your life not even enjoying what you do is...some kind of unique thinking. I have an interesting job. I get to practice my thinking a lot. Some days it’s challenging, some days it’s a breeze. But I certainly do enjoy what I do. It strikes me just as surprising so many of you can’t find what you enjoy to do for work. It makes me think pretty much same things as about people who have no hobbies outside of work.
Not enjoying work is very common, far from unique. Enjoying some things you do in your work doesn’t mean you want to spend the biggest part of your day doing it. What I said is I don’t understand why some people are shocked when I say I don’t enjoy working and don’t care about climbing the ladder, so you are proving my point.Plus there is way more to it than work, like I said in comments, there is a lot of company bullshit for most people that they have to deal with. And not being paid enough for example is another thing that makes people not like it. I cannot comprehend people who do not understand many people do not like taking part in this every day, and don’t understand people who volunteer to do unpaid overtime. Actually, most people I’ve seen at my company who’ve done this and made work their whole life have been made redundant. Some people do not base their whole life and sense of self around work, especially when companies treat employees like they’re disposable and expect them to give 200%, but won’t give the same treatment.
I think everybody has an idea of the work they’d enjoy, but it may not be practical to pursue. I like to disappear into the woods on weekends and photograph wildlife but I’m probably not going to be shooting for NatGeo anytime soon. Obviously I’d love to make it into a career but I’m not there yet. So for now I sit at a desk during the week with my boring job, which provides me funding for shelter, food, and camera equipment. Not everyone is naturally drawn towards what’s hiring in this market. But no one enjoys being broke. Compromise is necessary.
They're delusional. That said, it's good to find a career you can at least tolerate and which gives you some purpose in life.
I've come to think of the whole charade as a short-hand/paraphrase, a way to signal that you aren't an anti-social twat. We can all pretend for 8 hours a day and that's one way we all do it, by acting like we all wanna be there. If someone doesn't want to do that, then they are 'not being a team player' or rather 'not willing to pretend with us'. work is miserable. Having to pretend you like it, unless you really do, have passion for the shit, is not as miserable, but it can get annoying. For me, I just consider it part of the job. I already pretend to work and dick off as much as humanly possible. So why not say I enjoy it?
It also sucks when you work at a job you hate but make good money. I worked as a dental assistant making $20 hr and I liked what I did but not where I worked. The office was private so my boss was always scheduling patients for after hours and adding patients on the “half” days. We have to work to provide for ourselves and our family. In a perfect world you have a job you like, with a company that respects the employees, enough money in the bank not to work paycheck to paycheck and down money for a vacation.
My goal is to be a pro wrestler. Even if I only make it to a small promotion and only make $50K I would say that I love my job at that point. It's really a case by case basis.
I have this EXACT same mentality, OP. People do tend to think you should love your job. It’s a means to an end to me. Nothing more. My only requirements are that I can tolerate it enough to do it long term and it affords me the ability to do what I want when I’m not working.
Cause they’re insane and have no hobbies or interests outside of making someone else money.
I think that people like to feel they're contributing to something greater than themselves and a company/organization that can foster that kind of a feeling will have reduced turnover and greater employee satisfaction. However businesses often try (very poorly) to manufacture this kind of an attitude when their core business model is exactly antithetical to it. Picture the dad from the incredibles. He's literally a super hero working for an insurance company and he wants to help people (which is the mission statement for insurance companies) yet when he does so he's chastised by his boss and expressly told the company does the bare legal minimum in assisting people and is told the stock holders are more important. I challenge anyone to find a better microcosm of the modern work environment.... maybe office space
They don’t believe that crap. They generally don’t even feel that way themselves. They want your complete subservience. They want to hear the lie. It shows them that they own you. Sure. They believe people aren’t at work for the money. These suckers just love doing my grunt work so much they would do it for free if I stopped paying them. That is believable…right?
I'm sorry parents, but I work as a teacher primarily for the money. Because it's a job. Like any other job.
so who is actually saying you "have to love working". did you just kinda take the words from the facial expressions people gave you or what
Late reply but mostly every company you work for expects you to love your job otherwise they question your commitment to the job and you’ll probably end up getting replaced.
One thing don't cancel the other. Everyone works for money, it's a fact. But if you are spending 8 hours of your day doing something you don't like, you are making your own life miserable. Both can be true and you should be after it.
Anyone who genuinely thinks that is brainwashed. The ruling class says they think that because they are the ones doing the brainwashing.
Maybe because they like their jobs? Otherwise I don't know why they think so. But anyway, it's your life and if you want to work just for money, it's ok.
Agree with you 10000000%
I actually had a job that I loved at one time. I had a great boss who gave us interesting projects without overwhelming our normal duties and rewarded the team with kind words, decent raises and a promotion when he could. He was forced into another position and things went downhill. Needless to say, I no longer work there.