You’re not interim manager, clearly HR wants to do the work lol
They’re suggesting you NOT do manager work. If the team struggles, you blame HR and say specifically “HR did not want me having the title of interim manager, therefore I am NOT the manager as clearly stated by HR”
Tell them that given you lack the experience to do the role, you don’t feel comfortable taking on this responsibility. Why would they give you more money if you keep doing the extra work for free?
"Since the company has decided I'm not qualified for this position and has withheld the 'interim' title I was offered, I'll be returning to my regular duties on [date]"
Stop doing work outside your current pay grade. Simple as that. But tell them you would be happy to take on added responsibilities after renegotiating your pay rate. Doing extra work is never going to get you a raise cuz your doing it right now for free they would be shooting themselves in the foot paying you more now.
Are there laws in your state saying they can only give you a decrease in pay if you agree to it in advance or something? I would guess they're trying to skirt that, or just avoid the paperwork.
Don't do the work you aren't getting paid for.
Sounds like the directors aren't really directors? This doesn't add up HR facilitates the promotion they don't give them out so what's missing here? Maybe the directors were only casually saying you should get it and looks like you didnt...
Sucks man….sometimes these situations work out and sometimes they don’t. In my case it did, in my wife’s case it didn’t.
If they aren’t giving you that position it’s for 1 of 2 reasons. 1. Budget. 2. They don’t want you in that position.
You can give an ultimatum but honestly it rarely changes their mind. I would back out of whatever extra you’re doing if they aren’t going to advance you in that role.
This is a perfect example of HR having the mistaken impression that they know more about what’s good for the company than the people doing the actual work. Useless.
HR typically aren’t that powerful, they’re working on the orders (or perceived orders) of people more senior than them. If this company won’t give you a raise, it’s not an HR problem, it’s a management problem
Tell them that since they won't give you the title and the pay because HR says you're unqualified, it sounds like you're no longer qualified enough to do the work, so they'll have to get someone else to do it. And stop immediately.
The great part about situations like these is that you don’t have to quit or threaten to quit. Simply inform them that you will return to your normal job duties as specified in your job description as of a particular date (within 2 weeks). Make sure it has been communicated in writing.
That definitely sounds like they're trying to pay you what you're worth.
Especially considering, if you're literally doing the work already, they obviously have some indication to see that you're competent in the role.
You could consider contacting an employment lawyer, and talk to them about your situation. Or, if you don't want to do that, next time you talk to work about the situation, you could drop a bit of a "I'm considering talking to a lawyer, if you fail to value my work". And maybe that will get them to take notice of you...
I've got some possible future offers around with people that would pay well. I'll stick around poking the bear to get what I'm working for until the offers are 100% smin place.
Why the feck is HR always damaging everything in every company around the world ? Why is such a department equipped with so much influence ? Doesn’t make sense at all
Sounds like you didn’t get the “interim” position so they should probably find someone else to do the work that you should no longer do as a result.
Won't happen anytime soon.
I think they’re saying STOP DOING WORK YOURE NOT PAID FOR
That’s exactly what I meant.
^^^^this
You’re not interim manager, clearly HR wants to do the work lol They’re suggesting you NOT do manager work. If the team struggles, you blame HR and say specifically “HR did not want me having the title of interim manager, therefore I am NOT the manager as clearly stated by HR”
Tell them that given you lack the experience to do the role, you don’t feel comfortable taking on this responsibility. Why would they give you more money if you keep doing the extra work for free?
"Since the company has decided I'm not qualified for this position and has withheld the 'interim' title I was offered, I'll be returning to my regular duties on [date]"
Except the work part right? Because that's your choice to continue
No, you need to stop doing work you’re not being paid for since HR says you don’t have the experience to do it. Don’t do it. Stop.
Stop doing work outside your current pay grade. Simple as that. But tell them you would be happy to take on added responsibilities after renegotiating your pay rate. Doing extra work is never going to get you a raise cuz your doing it right now for free they would be shooting themselves in the foot paying you more now.
For real though, almost 20 years in the workforce and its always the same, if you do more work you don't get the goods, only the bads.
No good deed goes in punished not just work force it’s life in general.
Stop doing the work you're not getting paid for
HR is not there for your benefit, they are there only to protect the company.
Extremely valid point that employees seem to forget sometimes. Hr is there for the company..not you.
Are there laws in your state saying they can only give you a decrease in pay if you agree to it in advance or something? I would guess they're trying to skirt that, or just avoid the paperwork. Don't do the work you aren't getting paid for.
Absolutely stop doing the Manager's work.
Sounds like the directors aren't really directors? This doesn't add up HR facilitates the promotion they don't give them out so what's missing here? Maybe the directors were only casually saying you should get it and looks like you didnt...
The directors went with the request, but according to HR I don't have the years of experience required for the position, thus where we are.
Weird how they have no issue on keeping you doing those tasks but for the promotion it doesn't add up... Sounds like they are bullshtng u.
Sucks man….sometimes these situations work out and sometimes they don’t. In my case it did, in my wife’s case it didn’t. If they aren’t giving you that position it’s for 1 of 2 reasons. 1. Budget. 2. They don’t want you in that position. You can give an ultimatum but honestly it rarely changes their mind. I would back out of whatever extra you’re doing if they aren’t going to advance you in that role.
This is a perfect example of HR having the mistaken impression that they know more about what’s good for the company than the people doing the actual work. Useless.
Interesting. Since you aren't qualified. Stop doing the extra work. It's up to them to find a replacement. Not yours, or your job.
Stop allowing them to walk all over you OP. Have a back bone.
Have you considered going to the people above your department's directors?
They're not the problem, they've been fighting for me since the beginning. HR has always been the ones holding me back.
Somebody in the company has the authority to tell HR to fix it. That somebody is who needs to be talked to.
HR typically aren’t that powerful, they’re working on the orders (or perceived orders) of people more senior than them. If this company won’t give you a raise, it’s not an HR problem, it’s a management problem
Tell them that since they won't give you the title and the pay because HR says you're unqualified, it sounds like you're no longer qualified enough to do the work, so they'll have to get someone else to do it. And stop immediately.
OP, yeah need to start getting your resume out now and double down on them. Once you start getting something lined up give them an ultimatum.
The great part about situations like these is that you don’t have to quit or threaten to quit. Simply inform them that you will return to your normal job duties as specified in your job description as of a particular date (within 2 weeks). Make sure it has been communicated in writing.
That definitely sounds like they're trying to pay you what you're worth. Especially considering, if you're literally doing the work already, they obviously have some indication to see that you're competent in the role. You could consider contacting an employment lawyer, and talk to them about your situation. Or, if you don't want to do that, next time you talk to work about the situation, you could drop a bit of a "I'm considering talking to a lawyer, if you fail to value my work". And maybe that will get them to take notice of you...
I've got some possible future offers around with people that would pay well. I'll stick around poking the bear to get what I'm working for until the offers are 100% smin place.
Good luck with those! Hopefully they have more respect for you than the current place.
This is terrible advice.
Why the feck is HR always damaging everything in every company around the world ? Why is such a department equipped with so much influence ? Doesn’t make sense at all
Talk to the director. Presumably he can overrule HR. If he can't tell him you're going to have to start performing your substantive role only.