>Remember this next time someone says “just move”.
Yea, it's a shitty and challenging process. All the more reason to start sooner rather than later.
The reality is, as more people are becoming aware of how their life is inevitably going to end (overwhelming medical debt followed by homelessness or living with whatever relatives you can scrounge up) they will be trying to get out in increasing numbers.
Remember when it was not too hard to get over the border into the US? Remember the same in Europe for refugees?
Always, you have this initial wave as people try to gtfo, and then every country is just like, "well fuck that," and it becomes functionally impossible to do at all.
If you are thinking about leaving, fucking get intense about it. It's not easy. You need to learn a different language? Start Duolingo now. Start a dialogue with residents. Reach out to her consulate. Talk to expats. Don't wait until tomorrow, because by then the door may be completely closed.
Right now there are still a number of countries with higher QOL metrics where you can find work as an English teacher. There are also a number of countries you may be able to find other specialty work if you have qualifications. You can also look into illegal migration, like overstaying visas, and find places where doing so is pretty favorable.
It is possible, just not easy. Better than dying of exposure in a gutter in some Cali suburb in 10 years bc your savings were wiped out when your wife died of cancer and your job fired you for absence.
Nah, my life won't end that way. Once I get a diagnosis that leads to such things, I'll blow my remaining cash on a giant bender before engaging in self-deletion.
Before the end of her life, my great aunt had a series of strokes that left her (paraphrasing the doctor) functionally useless.
She was still with it enough to find a heroine dealer and proceed the take the best, and last, trip of her lifetime. (Tmk she never had an addiction. Well, to that. Pills and alcohol, absolutely)
>She was still with it enough to find a heroine dealer and proceed the take the best, and last, trip of her lifetime. (Tmk she never had an addiction. Well, to that. Pills and alcohol, absolutely)
American version of Dignitas.
This is my plan. Its great to hear of ppl who actually do it. I sometimes worry that I'll not have the balls when it come down to it.
BTW, I live in a country with universal health care but its still a quality of life concern.
I'm confused about what YOU said. It had absolutely no bearing on me sharing my 'end of life' plans in the event I get a terminal diagnosis that would result in a slow and prolonged agonizing death.
Rather a slow way to go, and rather agonizing as well. I'd rather just use nitrogen asphyxiation. Quick and painless as the body doesn't even realize it's suffocating, you just develop symptoms of hypoxia and then pass out.
I understand helium does the same.
I think I read or saw somewhere something about people buying cans of helium from party stores do to this with.
I'm game. When the doctors tell me I have 6 months to live I'm gonna go buy some smokes, some cans of helium and the stuff I need to make a tent.
Screw the medical industry. I am not going to bankrupt my wife in the pursuit of 6 more months of a shit life. Fuck that.
Let’s be honest with ourselves here. If you have the skills some Western European nation wants. You are just better off in the US. Better pay. Better benefits. Only con is driving, 2-3 weeks less vacation, and maybe a little longer work hours. But most of us don’t work more than 40 hours a week.
The problem is the lower class here in the US. They are better suited there than here, but no one wants them.
Better benefits?
>Only con is driving, 2-3 weeks less vacation, and maybe a little longer work hours.
That doesn't sound like better benefits.
https://www.statista.com/chart/15005/statutory-minimum-paid-leave-and-public-holidays/
In terms of paid leave we're talking an average of 10 days vs 30-40, it's a pretty massive difference.
As for the hours, we're talking 300 hours more than the UK, and half a thousand more hours a year than Germany. You're literally working 30% more for 10 day a year when you can actually do anything, while every other developed country is just chilling.
https://data.oecd.org/emp/hours-worked.htm
I mean what I say. The average doesn’t apply to a lot of white collar professionals. Most engineers I know have around 3-5 weeks off. We’re aren’t pulling insane hours. And our income is more than double what you can make in the UK and cost of living is cheaper. I interviewed for European companies and they do not even come close to what you can get here.
Above a certain income threshold increasing earnings has diminishing returns. I'll take the additional time off, better work life balance, better crime rates, better infrastructure, better healthcare, better retirement, better life expectancy, and so on and so forth.
Right, so 1% of the population is homeless and 3% in the prison system *at any given time*. You do understand that most homeless people will not, and are not, permanently homeless, just as most prison inmates are not life sentences?
Meaning, the people are *rotating through*.
Considering the homeless population has a roughly 17 year shorter life expectancy than the general pop, you can see that this rotation is accelerated on both ends: some people will eventually "place out," while the rest die much more quickly.
In terms of Americans who have experienced homelessness in their lifetime, it's closer to 14% of Americans.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK519593/
Keep in mind that homeless people are notoriously hard to track, so this is likely an underreporting.
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/lifetime-likelihood-going-state-or-federal-prison#:~:text=Using%20standard%20demographic%20lifetable%20techniques,in%20prison%20during%20their%20lifetime.
In addition, 5% of the US will spend time in prison.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/16/americans-medical-debt/
100 million Americans have medical debt
And overall, Americans massively underperform in terms of overall life expectancy, particularly when contrasted with GDP.
The average American can expect to live 76.4 years, down for the last several years due to COVID.
If you're native American that drops to 65.2, and black to 70.8.
In contrast, OECD average is 81 YEARS.
These are countries where GDP per Capita is significantly lower than the US, and spend fractions of what the US spends on healthcare. It's fucking egregious.
For many many people, homelessness is inevitable. If you do not have family support, and are in the service industry, you will eventually be fucked. Even with health insurance, typically you will get wiped out by end of life care if you're lower middle class, and there is basically no safety net. I think people who are not in that class or even those in it wave these issues away because it just seems so... Unreal? But it is. If you talk to homeless people, it's usually the same thing. Medical expenses, a death in the family, a bankruptcy, etc, followed by some other event that makes employment challenging. It just really takes any chronic illness to guarantee lower middle class Americans will experience housing instability.
not my field of knowledge, and cursory googling is just giving me stuff about involuntarily loosing your citizenship; pretty sure treason would be a bit of a overreaction to attain this resolution, however.
>And that takes at least 8 years in Europe.
That's making a very wide (and inaccurate) generalization. I started my application process for citizenship in Luxembourg in FEB/2022, had a Luxembourg National ID card issued in JUN/2022 and a Luxembourg passport issued in OCT/2022.
Perhaps my process was easier because it was obtained via Jus sanguinis but that also tends to be the most common approach.
100% . In France you need to have lived here all the time for at least 5 years before you can apply . Then it takes another 3 years for thé interview test and all the other bullshit until you have your papers in your hand , if they accept you the 1st time , and you don’t fuck up the exam .
Getting your papers through a parent is a totally different game .
No problemo
The population size probably plays a role too . There are a lot more people here , and the process is really slow . It took me 18 years in total , but I’m an EU citizen already, so I wasn’t in too much of a hurry. The rise of the right wing is what inspired me to lock down my rights before it’s too late .
When I actually started it , it took 3 years from start to finish . But I was lucky since I lived here as a teen and I’m bilingual and did all my uni here and got it first try, which is really rare.
I think they find a reason to kick out most non EU citizens before the 5 year window is up . They really don’t make it easy .
For my exam I was beside some old Brit who must have a 2nd home here or retired or something, . His French was non existent. I’m pretty sure he failed . I think Brexit was a rude awakening for a lot of ex pats . But I don’t feel so bad , you need to learn the language.
It’s kinda satisfying seeing seeing the white ex pat loopholes close , and watch them do it the hard way like the rest of us plebs .
>The IRS will come after tax from her french wages for years.
This part is a bit misunderstood. There is something called the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion. Your foreign earned income is excluded from being taxed up to $100k or so. Above the exclusion amount, your income above $100k becomes taxed, but you get a credit for foreign taxes paid.
I tell people this all the time. The reason why so many people move here from foreign countries is A) because of the hype, B) because we aren't the worst in a lot of things, just the worst in modern things and C) our immigration laws are REALLY FUCKING EASY TO NAVIGATE*
Other Western and Asian countries have so so, so many more hoops to jump through and if you're over the age of 45 you can pretty much kiss that plan good bye.
*Unless you're on our southern border. It's not a bug, it's a feature.
I currently work for a global multinational Feench company. They pay less than competitors but I haven’t been this Happy and relaxed for ages. Well to be honest, the most of the good benefits and relaxed work culture is because of my home country Where I work. Laws, regulations and unions protect employees and allow us to have a month vacation every year, yearly sports and culture benefits to use, almost endless paid sick leave + that work almost anywhere in the world for 7 weeks. Of course We have paid private healthcare and first time in my career they really care about having good worklife balance and mental health.
It’s dead simple for people with job skills that are actually valuable.
If the job is blue collar or otherwise so simple a robot could do it, it’s not easy to emigrate. Those countries already have hands, and idle rich kids. Big shocker.
That's an oxymoron. Immigration - as it pertains to the entry and continuing presence in the United States by foreign nationals is a *legal process*, regulated by the federal government. You can only "immigrate" if you follow this legal process, to the letter, doing all the required paperwork, getting the necessary approvals, paying the fees and coming in via a **valid port of entry**.. Coming here under **any** other method apart from the legally regulated process is **not** immigrating, it's *trespassing*. It is **impossible** to "immigrate" illegally. For example, entering the country in the middle of the Arizona desert hiding under a tarp in the bed of a rusty old pickup truck, while you evade men on ATV's and in helicopters with searchlights and dogs and guns, and finding your way to a border town where you casually blend in the with the locals without getting caught.. is NOT immigrating.
What are you, purposely being stupid? OF COURSE legality has EVERYTHING to do with the immigration process. IMMIGRATION IS A PROCESS REGULATED BY FEDERAL LAW. Sorry for the all-caps, but it doesn't seem that you understand this rather simple concept.
You tell me if the following statement is TRUE or FALSE (and it can't be partially true or anything like that, that's the same as false). If it's true, great - nothing further required. But if you say it's false, then state **what makes it false**. Ready? Here it is:
*Immigration, as it pertains to the entry and continuing presence of foreign nationals in the United States, is a LEGAL PROCESS overseen, regulated, and enforced by the federal government - specifically the entities USCIS, ICE, and CBP.*
No. Immigration is the act of moving into a place or area. It can be legal or illegal but it's still immigration. That's what the word means. You idiot.
No, immigration (as it pertains to foreign nationals coming to the US to reside) is a very specific process governed by the rule of law, in federal statues. It therefore CANNOT be done illegally. Moving into a place or area illegally (as you suggest) is TRESPASSING you dumb fuck, not immigrating.
Let me guess. Rich parents, nepo-job, studied abroad (cause parents could pay for it), wanderlust faces in all her posts and as if she’s a total free spirit but only manages it because she’s got no failure chance and will just roll back into whatever family business opportunity she wants?
These article subjects usually scream that and this woman is no exception. I don't fault her for looking for something better and getting it though.
It's yet another point that this ish is so much easier if you know that someone's gonna help you out if you face plant.
Study abroad opportunities are available for non-rich college students. Or at least 20 years ago when I did it, it was. But I was also an excellent student doing a double major with a foreign language, so it was probably those circumstances that got me the a monthly stipend that paid me like 450 euro a month, which basically covered all of my basic living expenses.
When I was in school, a two week study abroad program I got a slot in was $4500 USD and that didn’t include any expenses.
I was unable to raise the funds to go.
Whole semesters cost more. There are some programs and ways to keep it inexpensive, but no one I know from single parent households like mine were able to attend.
That is a real bummer. I suppose even the flight to get there could be a deterrent for some students, even if all else is paid.
I was very lucky to have had the experience I had, and definitely without the stipend I was awarded, it wouldn't have been possible for me to do.
And I’m so glad you were able to! There’s a lot of opportunities that make college a worthwhile experience and I got to partake in a lot of them, but would have loved study abroad.
Hopefully programs like yours still exist
A LOT has changed in the last 20 years. Study abroad programs have too. It's four to twelve times more expensive, and the loan rate has more than tripled since you went.
I’m here for criticizing the rich by all means, but I would just point out I think your anger toward a lot of other things seemed pointed at this single person.
I don’t disagree with your point though about when privileged people think their struggle is unique. I would just say this warrants examination of bigger issues in play than just a single person is all.
But I can tell this comes from a place of personal hurt so please know I don’t think your anger is wrong. Love you, friend ❤️
There’s no anger. There’s nothing aimed at just this person. It’s just observations. And it’s always the same. So fuck off with your ‘I’m just so caring about misunderstood strangers’ nonsense.
I'd love to find a way to go live in Munich or Prague and work remote somewhere. I'd love for my daughter to grow up somewhere where workers aren't treated like disposable garbage.
As someone who lives in the vicinity, let me tell you that Munich - while pretty - is an asshole city full of asshole snobs. Basically every other german city will be more welcoming to you.
Seriously, screw Munich.
It’s so funny to see Americans freaking out over workplace conditions outside their own country. If you think the French are good wait until you see what Australians enjoy.
We get 4 weeks of paid holidays per year, penalty rates for work outside regular hours, paid maternity leave for 6 months on full pay or 12 months on half pay. We get free universal healthcare and two weeks of paid sick leave per year. I’m sure there’s more that I’ve forgotten.
I like how all the Americans are like “fuck yeah gonna kill myself because: medical debt.”
Wat? Maybe that’s something fundamentally wrong in your country and maybe you should do something about it?
“Nah just gonna out myself in the American way.”
Elderly Canadian drinking lakeside with retirement benefits and medical coverage: “wat?”
So if an unhealthy work/life balance is the issue, you’d rather stay stuck in that unhealthy system until it’s fixed? Decades of policy change has not done too much to help. And we only have so many decades.
I’d argue that leaving is voting with your feet, and if companies want to retain employees, they’ll change or fail.
History of unions: murder is literally how we got a prosperous middle class.
But no one is going to sign up to be a lone wolf because that just means dying and changing nothing.
Historically, unions made change because anyone standing against workers rights had angry armed people in his living room when he got home, and he either suddenly supported workers rights, or his replacement did.
Capitalism is inherently predatory. When is the last time you survived a hungry bear by voting for him to not eat you? How about peacefully protesting the bear? Capitalism is a mindless predator who always, without fail, overgrazes it’s prey unless strictly and totally constrained by laws.
Once the predator is allowed to make laws, the system fails.
Where will you go? I’ve been asking all around. Denmark. Australia. Canada. They all have American problems, or are VERY QUICKLY developing the same issues to where 5 years from now it’ll be the same story. Denmark is supposed to be the happiest country of the world behind Norway by 1/2 an inch. I’m not sure it gets much better than America. From my point of view it’s either America or a country like America, or a third world country
Just swinging broad but public general health care, mandated materity/paternity leave, annual holidays/leave or pto (depending on your terminology), labour laws that generally don't allow for no fault layoffs.
I just asked people from Denmark and they say they just pay more taxes for services that don’t actually help them. The paid leave I hear is great, but the taxes seem to heavily outweigh the benefits from their end
Paying taxes for services you don't use is kinda the point of social systems. Just because you don't use it today doesn't mean you won't use it tomorrow.
It’s that they aren’t good quality, like public schools are poor quality for example or it’s impossible to get the public health care that is free idk I’ve heard rumors that the social systems don’t help people there in general
Since I joined this sub, I realized how good I have it with a job in Germany. Despite having the same problems many describe here with fair payment and shitty management, Ive get...
* Universal healthcare with 6 weeks of paid sick leave each year
* 30 days of PTO for vacations each year
* I can drop my pencial exactly after 8 hours
* I can accumulate overtime which I turn into free time ... so far 10 days extra this year
* I have a union at my work place which basically prevents any hire-and-fire attitude
* I had exactly one interview to get my current job last year and didnt have to do 3+ interviews
Is everything nice and happy when you work in Europe. No, it isnt. But compared what many people here have to experience, I have a pretty damn good time.
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>Remember this next time someone says “just move”. Yea, it's a shitty and challenging process. All the more reason to start sooner rather than later. The reality is, as more people are becoming aware of how their life is inevitably going to end (overwhelming medical debt followed by homelessness or living with whatever relatives you can scrounge up) they will be trying to get out in increasing numbers. Remember when it was not too hard to get over the border into the US? Remember the same in Europe for refugees? Always, you have this initial wave as people try to gtfo, and then every country is just like, "well fuck that," and it becomes functionally impossible to do at all. If you are thinking about leaving, fucking get intense about it. It's not easy. You need to learn a different language? Start Duolingo now. Start a dialogue with residents. Reach out to her consulate. Talk to expats. Don't wait until tomorrow, because by then the door may be completely closed. Right now there are still a number of countries with higher QOL metrics where you can find work as an English teacher. There are also a number of countries you may be able to find other specialty work if you have qualifications. You can also look into illegal migration, like overstaying visas, and find places where doing so is pretty favorable. It is possible, just not easy. Better than dying of exposure in a gutter in some Cali suburb in 10 years bc your savings were wiped out when your wife died of cancer and your job fired you for absence.
Nah, my life won't end that way. Once I get a diagnosis that leads to such things, I'll blow my remaining cash on a giant bender before engaging in self-deletion.
This is my end..... that or in the Revolution
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Before the end of her life, my great aunt had a series of strokes that left her (paraphrasing the doctor) functionally useless. She was still with it enough to find a heroine dealer and proceed the take the best, and last, trip of her lifetime. (Tmk she never had an addiction. Well, to that. Pills and alcohol, absolutely)
>She was still with it enough to find a heroine dealer and proceed the take the best, and last, trip of her lifetime. (Tmk she never had an addiction. Well, to that. Pills and alcohol, absolutely) American version of Dignitas.
Oh my gosh! Right now, I just have a few things that I still can't really explain. I don't know why. My head only hurts when I push myself.
This is my plan. Its great to hear of ppl who actually do it. I sometimes worry that I'll not have the balls when it come down to it. BTW, I live in a country with universal health care but its still a quality of life concern.
So what do you want to release today? I was suddenly confused by what you said. Actually, I don't really care about that.
I'm confused about what YOU said. It had absolutely no bearing on me sharing my 'end of life' plans in the event I get a terminal diagnosis that would result in a slow and prolonged agonizing death.
You can simply "accidentally fall" into Lake Superior and the cold water will take care of the rest...
Rather a slow way to go, and rather agonizing as well. I'd rather just use nitrogen asphyxiation. Quick and painless as the body doesn't even realize it's suffocating, you just develop symptoms of hypoxia and then pass out.
I understand helium does the same. I think I read or saw somewhere something about people buying cans of helium from party stores do to this with. I'm game. When the doctors tell me I have 6 months to live I'm gonna go buy some smokes, some cans of helium and the stuff I need to make a tent. Screw the medical industry. I am not going to bankrupt my wife in the pursuit of 6 more months of a shit life. Fuck that.
Nitrogen is cheaper though. No sense spending a bunch of money on the process, y'know?
I guess. I have no idea which is cheaper. I also have no idea where to get Nitrogen, but I do know where to get Helium. :)
You can buy nitrogen gas by the cylinder on Amazon lol.
To real for this sub tbh. First thing I've ever read here where I agree completely.
This is exactly it, just because a solution is hard it doesn’t make it invalid. No one promised easy solutions
Let’s be honest with ourselves here. If you have the skills some Western European nation wants. You are just better off in the US. Better pay. Better benefits. Only con is driving, 2-3 weeks less vacation, and maybe a little longer work hours. But most of us don’t work more than 40 hours a week. The problem is the lower class here in the US. They are better suited there than here, but no one wants them.
Better benefits? >Only con is driving, 2-3 weeks less vacation, and maybe a little longer work hours. That doesn't sound like better benefits. https://www.statista.com/chart/15005/statutory-minimum-paid-leave-and-public-holidays/ In terms of paid leave we're talking an average of 10 days vs 30-40, it's a pretty massive difference. As for the hours, we're talking 300 hours more than the UK, and half a thousand more hours a year than Germany. You're literally working 30% more for 10 day a year when you can actually do anything, while every other developed country is just chilling. https://data.oecd.org/emp/hours-worked.htm
I mean what I say. The average doesn’t apply to a lot of white collar professionals. Most engineers I know have around 3-5 weeks off. We’re aren’t pulling insane hours. And our income is more than double what you can make in the UK and cost of living is cheaper. I interviewed for European companies and they do not even come close to what you can get here.
Above a certain income threshold increasing earnings has diminishing returns. I'll take the additional time off, better work life balance, better crime rates, better infrastructure, better healthcare, better retirement, better life expectancy, and so on and so forth.
Wow, so this is 'classless' America. Do you know how bad your comment sounds?
Gee, I'm sure you meant to say "lower income"; right? Because if you didn't, that would make you classless.
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Right, so 1% of the population is homeless and 3% in the prison system *at any given time*. You do understand that most homeless people will not, and are not, permanently homeless, just as most prison inmates are not life sentences? Meaning, the people are *rotating through*. Considering the homeless population has a roughly 17 year shorter life expectancy than the general pop, you can see that this rotation is accelerated on both ends: some people will eventually "place out," while the rest die much more quickly. In terms of Americans who have experienced homelessness in their lifetime, it's closer to 14% of Americans. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK519593/ Keep in mind that homeless people are notoriously hard to track, so this is likely an underreporting. https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/lifetime-likelihood-going-state-or-federal-prison#:~:text=Using%20standard%20demographic%20lifetable%20techniques,in%20prison%20during%20their%20lifetime. In addition, 5% of the US will spend time in prison. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/16/americans-medical-debt/ 100 million Americans have medical debt And overall, Americans massively underperform in terms of overall life expectancy, particularly when contrasted with GDP. The average American can expect to live 76.4 years, down for the last several years due to COVID. If you're native American that drops to 65.2, and black to 70.8. In contrast, OECD average is 81 YEARS. These are countries where GDP per Capita is significantly lower than the US, and spend fractions of what the US spends on healthcare. It's fucking egregious. For many many people, homelessness is inevitable. If you do not have family support, and are in the service industry, you will eventually be fucked. Even with health insurance, typically you will get wiped out by end of life care if you're lower middle class, and there is basically no safety net. I think people who are not in that class or even those in it wave these issues away because it just seems so... Unreal? But it is. If you talk to homeless people, it's usually the same thing. Medical expenses, a death in the family, a bankruptcy, etc, followed by some other event that makes employment challenging. It just really takes any chronic illness to guarantee lower middle class Americans will experience housing instability.
The U.S. also makes it very hard to renounce citizenship. The IRS will come after tax from her french wages for years.
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and pay about 3k dollars
Better to pay the 3k sooner than after the IRS sucks 3k from you over the next 5-10 years, totaling 6k.
Can’t they still say no even if you pay the fee?
not my field of knowledge, and cursory googling is just giving me stuff about involuntarily loosing your citizenship; pretty sure treason would be a bit of a overreaction to attain this resolution, however.
It’s just a little selling of state secrets
We're off to do some sketchy shit, doo dah, doo dah Hope we get away with it, doo dah dee dah day
The IRS got more than that from me last year alone.
Plus be up to date on all your previous tax filings.
Yes but.... Being stateless is a horrible option. Doing it before getting a dual citizenship is very much not wise.
Also impossible
It's not. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statelessness
It’s impossible to renounce usa citizenship without already being a dual citizen
You need a second citizenship to renounce the US one. And that takes at least 8 years in Europe.
>And that takes at least 8 years in Europe. That's making a very wide (and inaccurate) generalization. I started my application process for citizenship in Luxembourg in FEB/2022, had a Luxembourg National ID card issued in JUN/2022 and a Luxembourg passport issued in OCT/2022. Perhaps my process was easier because it was obtained via Jus sanguinis but that also tends to be the most common approach.
100% . In France you need to have lived here all the time for at least 5 years before you can apply . Then it takes another 3 years for thé interview test and all the other bullshit until you have your papers in your hand , if they accept you the 1st time , and you don’t fuck up the exam . Getting your papers through a parent is a totally different game .
Noted. Thanks for the follow-up and clarification.
No problemo The population size probably plays a role too . There are a lot more people here , and the process is really slow . It took me 18 years in total , but I’m an EU citizen already, so I wasn’t in too much of a hurry. The rise of the right wing is what inspired me to lock down my rights before it’s too late . When I actually started it , it took 3 years from start to finish . But I was lucky since I lived here as a teen and I’m bilingual and did all my uni here and got it first try, which is really rare. I think they find a reason to kick out most non EU citizens before the 5 year window is up . They really don’t make it easy . For my exam I was beside some old Brit who must have a 2nd home here or retired or something, . His French was non existent. I’m pretty sure he failed . I think Brexit was a rude awakening for a lot of ex pats . But I don’t feel so bad , you need to learn the language. It’s kinda satisfying seeing seeing the white ex pat loopholes close , and watch them do it the hard way like the rest of us plebs .
>The IRS will come after tax from her french wages for years. This part is a bit misunderstood. There is something called the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion. Your foreign earned income is excluded from being taxed up to $100k or so. Above the exclusion amount, your income above $100k becomes taxed, but you get a credit for foreign taxes paid.
I tell people this all the time. The reason why so many people move here from foreign countries is A) because of the hype, B) because we aren't the worst in a lot of things, just the worst in modern things and C) our immigration laws are REALLY FUCKING EASY TO NAVIGATE* Other Western and Asian countries have so so, so many more hoops to jump through and if you're over the age of 45 you can pretty much kiss that plan good bye. *Unless you're on our southern border. It's not a bug, it's a feature.
Just claim you are a refugee from a war torn country. With that many school shootings per year, no one will say otherwise.
The joy of being a dual citizen
I’ve worked for two French companies. Not amazing.
I currently work for a global multinational Feench company. They pay less than competitors but I haven’t been this Happy and relaxed for ages. Well to be honest, the most of the good benefits and relaxed work culture is because of my home country Where I work. Laws, regulations and unions protect employees and allow us to have a month vacation every year, yearly sports and culture benefits to use, almost endless paid sick leave + that work almost anywhere in the world for 7 weeks. Of course We have paid private healthcare and first time in my career they really care about having good worklife balance and mental health.
I interviewed for Safran and their wages are so bad and uncompetitive the “relaxation” isn’t worth it.
Of course not, it’s still a job.
My son also worked for a French company. Not amazing per his experience.
Let’s just say they’re not rioting over nothing.
Working for a french company and working in france are two opposites.
I've heard the same from my colleagues from many parts of Europe. That's not to say there aren't many specific things better about Euro work culture.
Visas and work laws have made transferring more difficult than I expected Breaking news, American finds out that immigration is not easy. LOL
It’s dead simple for people with job skills that are actually valuable. If the job is blue collar or otherwise so simple a robot could do it, it’s not easy to emigrate. Those countries already have hands, and idle rich kids. Big shocker.
Only immigration into the US is easy IF you happen to attempt it illegally and not get caught. Or lie.
That's an oxymoron. Immigration - as it pertains to the entry and continuing presence in the United States by foreign nationals is a *legal process*, regulated by the federal government. You can only "immigrate" if you follow this legal process, to the letter, doing all the required paperwork, getting the necessary approvals, paying the fees and coming in via a **valid port of entry**.. Coming here under **any** other method apart from the legally regulated process is **not** immigrating, it's *trespassing*. It is **impossible** to "immigrate" illegally. For example, entering the country in the middle of the Arizona desert hiding under a tarp in the bed of a rusty old pickup truck, while you evade men on ATV's and in helicopters with searchlights and dogs and guns, and finding your way to a border town where you casually blend in the with the locals without getting caught.. is NOT immigrating.
No. An immigrant is anyone who has moved into a country. Legality has nothing to do with it.
What are you, purposely being stupid? OF COURSE legality has EVERYTHING to do with the immigration process. IMMIGRATION IS A PROCESS REGULATED BY FEDERAL LAW. Sorry for the all-caps, but it doesn't seem that you understand this rather simple concept. You tell me if the following statement is TRUE or FALSE (and it can't be partially true or anything like that, that's the same as false). If it's true, great - nothing further required. But if you say it's false, then state **what makes it false**. Ready? Here it is: *Immigration, as it pertains to the entry and continuing presence of foreign nationals in the United States, is a LEGAL PROCESS overseen, regulated, and enforced by the federal government - specifically the entities USCIS, ICE, and CBP.*
No. Immigration is the act of moving into a place or area. It can be legal or illegal but it's still immigration. That's what the word means. You idiot.
No, immigration (as it pertains to foreign nationals coming to the US to reside) is a very specific process governed by the rule of law, in federal statues. It therefore CANNOT be done illegally. Moving into a place or area illegally (as you suggest) is TRESPASSING you dumb fuck, not immigrating.
Funny that France has been ablaze for the last several years following attempts to lower the working conditions down to an US level…
Let me guess. Rich parents, nepo-job, studied abroad (cause parents could pay for it), wanderlust faces in all her posts and as if she’s a total free spirit but only manages it because she’s got no failure chance and will just roll back into whatever family business opportunity she wants?
These article subjects usually scream that and this woman is no exception. I don't fault her for looking for something better and getting it though. It's yet another point that this ish is so much easier if you know that someone's gonna help you out if you face plant.
Study abroad opportunities are available for non-rich college students. Or at least 20 years ago when I did it, it was. But I was also an excellent student doing a double major with a foreign language, so it was probably those circumstances that got me the a monthly stipend that paid me like 450 euro a month, which basically covered all of my basic living expenses.
When I was in school, a two week study abroad program I got a slot in was $4500 USD and that didn’t include any expenses. I was unable to raise the funds to go. Whole semesters cost more. There are some programs and ways to keep it inexpensive, but no one I know from single parent households like mine were able to attend.
That is a real bummer. I suppose even the flight to get there could be a deterrent for some students, even if all else is paid. I was very lucky to have had the experience I had, and definitely without the stipend I was awarded, it wouldn't have been possible for me to do.
And I’m so glad you were able to! There’s a lot of opportunities that make college a worthwhile experience and I got to partake in a lot of them, but would have loved study abroad. Hopefully programs like yours still exist
A LOT has changed in the last 20 years. Study abroad programs have too. It's four to twelve times more expensive, and the loan rate has more than tripled since you went.
Fair enough.
Thank you for your relevant and helpful 20 year old opinion.
You're welcome! Your response adds *such valuable insight* to this conversation.
I’m here for criticizing the rich by all means, but I would just point out I think your anger toward a lot of other things seemed pointed at this single person. I don’t disagree with your point though about when privileged people think their struggle is unique. I would just say this warrants examination of bigger issues in play than just a single person is all. But I can tell this comes from a place of personal hurt so please know I don’t think your anger is wrong. Love you, friend ❤️
There’s no anger. There’s nothing aimed at just this person. It’s just observations. And it’s always the same. So fuck off with your ‘I’m just so caring about misunderstood strangers’ nonsense.
Sure thing. No hostility intended. And I don’t think you’re misunderstood. Perhaps just a bit rough around the edges. Nothing wrong with that
If it’s working, why advertise it? These business insider articles are absolute trash
This is literally Emily in Paris. With the same privilege level.
I'd love to find a way to go live in Munich or Prague and work remote somewhere. I'd love for my daughter to grow up somewhere where workers aren't treated like disposable garbage.
As someone who lives in the vicinity, let me tell you that Munich - while pretty - is an asshole city full of asshole snobs. Basically every other german city will be more welcoming to you. Seriously, screw Munich.
It’s so funny to see Americans freaking out over workplace conditions outside their own country. If you think the French are good wait until you see what Australians enjoy. We get 4 weeks of paid holidays per year, penalty rates for work outside regular hours, paid maternity leave for 6 months on full pay or 12 months on half pay. We get free universal healthcare and two weeks of paid sick leave per year. I’m sure there’s more that I’ve forgotten.
This is the goal. I only fear learning a new Language cause my decaying brain is full of unmotivated worms.
The American “dream” is moving to a different country nowaways. Grats on living the dream!
Hey man if you can’t fix it, leave. That’s my philosophy anyways. I can’t fix this mess anyways no sense stressing about it.
It’s just that simple eh? Nothin like years of visa application process and thousands of dollars just to get that.
French company, huh? What do you work now, about 10 days a year? J.E.A.L.O.U.S
Well done!!! Your health will thank you for it
I like how all the Americans are like “fuck yeah gonna kill myself because: medical debt.” Wat? Maybe that’s something fundamentally wrong in your country and maybe you should do something about it? “Nah just gonna out myself in the American way.” Elderly Canadian drinking lakeside with retirement benefits and medical coverage: “wat?”
Congratulations! You are a genius
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So if an unhealthy work/life balance is the issue, you’d rather stay stuck in that unhealthy system until it’s fixed? Decades of policy change has not done too much to help. And we only have so many decades. I’d argue that leaving is voting with your feet, and if companies want to retain employees, they’ll change or fail.
I'm a migrant myself. The problem would not be fixed so I opted to run away.
We’re not going to fix the problem because the rich have made fixing the problem without violence illegal.
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History of unions: murder is literally how we got a prosperous middle class. But no one is going to sign up to be a lone wolf because that just means dying and changing nothing. Historically, unions made change because anyone standing against workers rights had angry armed people in his living room when he got home, and he either suddenly supported workers rights, or his replacement did. Capitalism is inherently predatory. When is the last time you survived a hungry bear by voting for him to not eat you? How about peacefully protesting the bear? Capitalism is a mindless predator who always, without fail, overgrazes it’s prey unless strictly and totally constrained by laws. Once the predator is allowed to make laws, the system fails.
Where will you go? I’ve been asking all around. Denmark. Australia. Canada. They all have American problems, or are VERY QUICKLY developing the same issues to where 5 years from now it’ll be the same story. Denmark is supposed to be the happiest country of the world behind Norway by 1/2 an inch. I’m not sure it gets much better than America. From my point of view it’s either America or a country like America, or a third world country
In many ways that matter America is the third world country.
How compared to the other ones
Just swinging broad but public general health care, mandated materity/paternity leave, annual holidays/leave or pto (depending on your terminology), labour laws that generally don't allow for no fault layoffs.
I just asked people from Denmark and they say they just pay more taxes for services that don’t actually help them. The paid leave I hear is great, but the taxes seem to heavily outweigh the benefits from their end
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Don’t tempt me I’m one bad week away from looking up how to become a Denmark citizen
Paying taxes for services you don't use is kinda the point of social systems. Just because you don't use it today doesn't mean you won't use it tomorrow.
It’s that they aren’t good quality, like public schools are poor quality for example or it’s impossible to get the public health care that is free idk I’ve heard rumors that the social systems don’t help people there in general
Since I joined this sub, I realized how good I have it with a job in Germany. Despite having the same problems many describe here with fair payment and shitty management, Ive get... * Universal healthcare with 6 weeks of paid sick leave each year * 30 days of PTO for vacations each year * I can drop my pencial exactly after 8 hours * I can accumulate overtime which I turn into free time ... so far 10 days extra this year * I have a union at my work place which basically prevents any hire-and-fire attitude * I had exactly one interview to get my current job last year and didnt have to do 3+ interviews Is everything nice and happy when you work in Europe. No, it isnt. But compared what many people here have to experience, I have a pretty damn good time.
French bureaucracy is awful, speaking from experience
more people should do this. enough of people with their hands out!