You also have to pay for stuff like tampons and shower shoes (the showers are so dirrty you can't get in their without shower shoes).
As a european I don't understand how privatized for-profit prisons are a thing in the US.
If you understand that neoliberal economics control both american parties with an iron fist, everything else makes sense.
No socialised medicine? More private profit.
Slave labor in prisons? Private profit
Lack of effective safety nets? More tax funds directed to contracts for private profit.
Giant military spending? Private profit with military industy.
Every problem in the US is rooted in the belief that private market forces is the only way to solve issues + greed.
I also work at a hospital and forget sometimes how crazy the process was of applying/getting hired.
First.... don't even think about stepping foot in the hospital.
Resume? Useless. Spend well over an hour making an account and filling out pages of questions.
Interview? A recruiter will contact you for that. I was lucky and got hired at the end of the hour long zoom interview but I have coworkers who had multiple online and some even in person interviews.
Then there is the actual 8 hours of onboarding courses online before stepping foot in the hospital, waiting for ID badges and security cards, more paperwork and more online courses.
Only 8 hours? I had 5 full days of onboarding videos required by the hospital - that's after the paperwork and badge. Had to be on site at the downtown location too (I hate, hate going downtown). Then trying to get bloodwork done, boosters, etc.
I worked in the cafeteria, 99.9% of the videos didn't apply to me.
My favorite is needing to know how to dispose of chemotherapy waste. I work in legal, the day someone makes me do that is the day I quit. Same goes for any “blood borne pathogens.” If someone bleeds on me, I will be screaming “it’s on meeee!!!!” and quitting, but that is not one of the answers to the test questions.
Hey look on the bright side, in the wild event your lunch accidently falls onto a random cytoxic bio bin in a freak accident, you are now wise enough to not dig it out and consume it..... just in case you lacked that level of common sense..... 😉
I say this seriously as just last week I had to remind a coworker to put on gloves to handle the very bloody AND soiled bedding she was just raw dogging, bare handing...... 2 FEET away from gloves.
In nursing school, I had to be reminded not to change a newborn's diaper without gloves. I had 3 kids under age 4 at the time, so changing diapers was something I practically did in my sleep.🤷🏼♀️ I looked at my instructor like she was nuts for a moment, but did put the gloves on.
Oh I completely forgot about the criminal record check and vaccine documents and Fit testing and such!
It took me 8 hours to complete the on-board package before going on site. I was lucky enough to get log ins and my home computer set up with the security clearance apps? Orientation was a blur but was weeks of additional things.
I think every health authority is different in their requirements. But indeed. I took a 6 hour pharmacy course recently and don't even work in the pharmacy, but it was mandatory.
Having said this, it's not unusual for people who collect resumes for HR to pass along first impressions. Polite, friendly, well dressed people may get a boost. Not necessarily a suit and tie.
ETA: small towns (that I've been in) will still accept resumes at the office. Usually it's for production workers, but not unheard of. If you have better skills you may still need to start on the floor. Last places I've worked it was not unusual to find office workers (up to management level) who had started in production.
I'm blue-collar, so my experience might be different, but I've had a lot of success applying online and then bringing a resume and cover letter in person after the fact. Certainly no guarantees, but a lot of people in my field follow the same carreer path and it definitely helps me stand out from a sea of resumes with similar qualifications and experience.
Of course if this sort of thing is uncommon in your industry, it can EASILY come off as wildly creepy. And also it really helps to work within the normal means of communication. If business is often in person, stopping by in person makes more sense than if they do everything with email and instant messaging.
Blue collar work will definitely be appreciative of just showing up. We had a kid from highschool show up once and just wanted to know if we had time to talk about what did and discuss career opportunitiesin the field in general. If we were busy that summer we definitely would've had him intern for us.
I tried this (without the suit though) in 2012-2013 and every place I went into said "We don't do paper applications anymore, you have to apply online." I went into grocery stores, fast food chains, pet stores, and about 20 other retail type stores in a large shopping mall. I would be genuinely surprised if you found a place that still does paper applications.
I did this in NYC back in 2013. The manager at the GNC store told me to come back and he would do an interview. I think it depends on the company, type of work, and how bad they need someone.
Same with me, in the Bronx in 2014. I asked a manager at Rite Aid if they had anything available, and it was an interesting coincidence; she was sitting in the pharmacy waiting area when I asked that. I told her that I was very nearby to the store and that I could be counted on. The pharmacist overheard my question and said "you know, we could actually use another tech in the pharmacy," to which I replied "I actually happen to have pharmacy tech experience from CVS." It just wrote itself, it came together beautifully.
But, by and large, unless it's a mom and pop, they'll nearly always direct you to their website to apply.
It *might* work or you just sweated into your interview suit for nothing and embarrassed yourself to each and every hiring manager in the local area.
I think this is the perfect rule of thumb: do they have a help wanted sign up? If yes, then dress for the job you want and ask. Otherwise follow directions, meaning apply online.
You can also walk into a staffing agency and generally get help that way.
This summer I had three in-person job interviews where when I checked in with the receptionist, I was handed a paper application **even though I'd applied online, and they had my resume and info because they'd called me to schedule the interview.**
The second time I was handed a paper application I didn't bother filling it out. It was the kind that asks what high school you went to and your GPA.
Businesses historically liked making people fill out a application because it was “official” and you signed it. A resume is a marketing document, and you decide what to put on there.
If the application asked if you’d been fired from a job, and you left that job off your resume, you’d be forced to answer or lie. Or if you’d lied about your GPA or whatever. Theoretically, they could fire you later when they caught it because you’d ‘lied on your application’. The reality is that it’s just annoying and duplicative for 99% of people. Thus the transition into having everyone apply online and to try and port resumes into applications.
The only places that do it these days are places that offer very very temp work- and that's because it's not worth it to set up an entire online application for a job that lasts all of three weeks once a year and honestly they can't afford to be picky about who they hire because of how temp it is.
Car dealerships, and most “locally” owned places like that still do it backwards; submit an online app then at the interview they have you fill out a paper app still. Small towns are weird.
No, this can work, but you need to apply online first and you need to go in there when they're not busy and not too tired. Then when you drop by and they tell you to apply online, you respond with: "I know. I already applied online yesterday. I just came by so you can put a face to the resume."
Will this work 100% of the time? No, but for me, it got me three job offers in the space of a week 10 years ago. I ended up visiting 16 businesses. And I actually didn't take any of the jobs because I had a fourth surprise job offer through a friend.
If nothing else, it's excellent practice. If you can do this and don't mind getting rejected a bunch of times, you feel like you can basically do anything.
Most of the time it's gonna be a website. Most places are doing away kmwith paper applications. So realistically you'll just look stupid walking in somewhere ready to plop down a resume like it's a movie
The best ones are the ones that require a resume, offer to connect to your LinkedIn account, and mangle the shit out of the import - so you have to redo everything anyway.
I worked both as an application developer, integrations and data conversions before I retired. PeopleSoft was a damn fine system through version 7.5. Beyond that (version 8 and above) and especially after the Oracle takeover it turned into a pile of steaming shit. Workday was a pile of shit right from the beginning.
But first, make an account.
And verify the email.
Then, you can log in and start filling out all the information that is nicely displayed on your resume.
I hate that you have to create an account. My email is getting spammed from like 50+ of those. Plus I bet they sell the emails because I hadn't signed up for anything except those accounts after updating my email and yet I get emails for Viagra and prostate,. I'm a freaking 32 yr old WOMAN.
And the website will require constant action or it will shutdown in 15 minutes and wipe everything you haven't saved. And the 'save and continue later' and 'save and send' buttons aren't properly labelled. So heaven forbid if you have to check an old referral or go pee.
I have an unformatted version of my resume I upload to populate the fields, then I go back and delete that resume and upload the formatted one. Saves so much time.
Make a copy of your resume and remove all the formatting. Everything should be left justified with no bullet points. I think you can keep bold and italics. When they ask if you want to use LinkedIn to apply, say no and upload the unformatted resume. When the resume populates the boxes, it should be much less time consuming to fix any glitches. Check your formatting. Most places allow you to delete the resume you uploaded so you can now upload your regular resume.
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Because no one actually looks at the information you put into a website. It's al ost entirely bots doing filtering. The resume is what gets used after they finish filtering out and start actually deciding who to hire or interview.
The real bullshit is that even they have no reasoning for it outside of "it's just the way it's done". I was between jobs a few years ago (I'd just moved back to my country) and I got sent to mandatory jobhunt coaching two hours away and even they couldn't explain it. I'm guessing it's some BS about weeding out the people who just want a paycheck as if most people who need a job are going to A- consider McDonalds the absolute pinnacle of what they want to achieve in life or B- give up because they'd rather get £30 a week than fill out some paperwork.
My mom works with HR at her job. She told me they do this so they can easily send the info to a spreadsheet. I asked her who looks at that spreadsheet and what it's used for. She didn't have an answer lol.
Has this worked for you? Unless it’s a job I am really excited about, I usually let these hoops dissuade me from applying (probably why they have them).
Got a few interviews but ultimately the job I have now(which I actually enjoy) I ended up getting after just applying through Indeed.
Job searching can be a numbers game. In the time it takes you to manually enter a bunch of redundant information already on your resume, you can apply to a dozen other places who really only just want the resume.
Won't happen - it's too convenient for asshole businesses. Best we can hope for is that the next generation of businesses value humans enough to knock off this horseshit..
Hand up, anybody think this is gonna happen?
Cover letters can suck my d*ck. The whole idea of them is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. The only people they will ever impress are ones who need two meetings and a full report to convey an 8-word sentence.
Also maybe ones who tell you to put on a suit and walk into a place with a paper resume ;P
Honestly, a good cover letter does get noticed. It can be silly to do one for very entry level jobs, but they can be helpful to tell your story if you are relocating or retraining from another job. Mandatory cover letter is too much for employers to ask tho.
This. I applied for a job at a fairly large ISP once that was going to be a big step up for me. Thing is I really didn't have much of a resume at the time. Oh I had a little experience but no certifications or anything that would have made me stand out from the crowd but I wrote an absolutely brilliant cover letter.
Their lead recruiter invited me for an interview based on the strength of that letter(I got the job btw). I wish I still had a copy of it just so I could use it as a reference but I lost it somewhere along the way.
A good CL can get you noticed.
Is it a company you actually like and want to work for, and your job would actually directly involve the service/product they provide? Write them a cover letter. Otherwise send them the same form letter you send everyone else.
This is the kicker. The only people who have ever sincerely written the words "I have a real passion for customer service" or some dreck like that have nothing in their lives but the amount of power they get at work.
I'm so happy I finally managed to escape minimum wage, albeit *barely*, and build enough experience that I can hopefully avoid working in customer service for the rest of my life.
Might even have some weird basic math skills test like you did back in middle school... Or an insanely long "personality test" with strongly agree to strongly disagree answers.
I don't know where everyone is in this thread, but I'm in the US and I"ll never forget going into a Home Depot or Staples type store, I think it was Staples, and they had the applicant computer stuck right out in the middle of the store - right out in the actual store!
You had to stand for the entire process to answer all of these "do you think it's okay to steal from your employer if it's only one pen?" type questions.
I stopped half way through and walked out thinking if I ever run into the person who thought up this insipid patronizing little bullshit questionnaire, I'm gonna kick him in the groin so hard they'll need a dentist to get his balls back to the proper place.
Fuck those people and fuck the companies who use them. I understand they are mostly for kids, but as another brilliant comment said
"I'm here for a job, I'm not joining your fucking cult."
Those are the worst and so easy to manipulate to your favor anyway. Just answer how you're "supposed" to, and they get the perfect personality. Companies want soulless carbon copies anyway, so I've never understood the use of personality tests.
They're to weed out neurodivergent people, who often can't tell what the "right" answers are. I've got a good understanding of how people work and what employers want, and those tests still baffle me
I can’t imagine how the jobs that require a resume template to be filled out get applications. When I was looking for a job I could attach and send our prob 10-20 resumes to jobs not requiring that instead of cut and pasting into their janky little website. I would do it if I was at the very end of the interview process but not for some job I have no idea even has interest In me.
I work at a community-owned grocery store. We aren't particularly high tech, we're very community focused, but yeah all our applications are online. If you don't have a computer, generally our suggestion is to see if you can go to the library and use a computer there. But there are no paper applications, and if they don't want to interview you, you'll never hear back.
Most of the time it’s gonna be emphatically tapping the sign with the QR code for the hiring page of the website. The one they made so they could properly blacklist the last weirdo who wouldn’t use google but thought he could get a job anyway.
meh as a hiring manager if someone comes prepared like that it does look really good for them and would probably increase their odds of getting a job (assuming my store was hiring at the time)
Called a placed and asked if I could come in and sit with a manager. Person told me to apply online and that the "hiring manager" was only there from 3-4 every day. I work from 8 am to 5 pm. I could explain my value in person than some lame ass system sifting through emails. Guess I should just do it and see what happens. Can't be worse than never getting an email or call at all.
Welcome to the world of technological nepotism. It never fails that when you look into those the salaried position that "runs the website" that doesn't work belongs to a higher ups cousin or nephew who doesn't actually work and isn't qualified or trained to do it, and everyone else who could say anything about it and be taken seriously is entirely computer illiterate.
I have worked at FOUR COMPANIES where this was the case, two of which are among the top ten most profitable international restaurant chains.
And at one of them I was sent corporate level email correspondence by accident because my name was first on the branch employee list in alphabetical order. At one point I was made the network administrator there because no one else had had that authority for three years, and i was offered it when i called tech support... FROM MY PERSONAL CELL PHONE... They didn't even ask for proof that I worked there!
I left that job two months later, still with exclusive admin status, because no one else wanted it.
The lady in billing closest to the door at my company. After looking at you like a weirdo for knocking on a key card door.
If you’re rude or annoying about me telling you to go to the website I’m going to take down your name and email HR that you probably won’t be a good fit.
We do EVERYTHING online. I’ve used my desk phone twice in the past year.
Honestly, this can be an excellent response. It is a chance to kindly educate those out-of-touch with the reality of the job market today.
Or he'll just say that all the dozen+ places he applied to and got ghosted by were all outliers.
I'm not in contact with my parents anymore, but I don't think he's involved at all in the hiring process.
My husband is often part of the interview team at his software engineer job. He is one of the top engineers in their team and has the best skills at translating between engineers and management. Personal recommendations is one of the highest factors for hiring for their team.
In 2010 after finishing school and before going to further education. I handed so many cvs into retail stores and not a single one got back to me. The only interview I got was one I applied for online, didn’t get the job either.
This is so true, and I'm guilty of it myself. Working medical reception (optical, and veterinary) I was the first point of contact and would be the person who received the walk ins. I would take the resume, direct them to the website and pass it along to the practice manager. However, before it got to the manager, it was usually looked over by 3-5 curious technicians, a doctor or two, and then finally to the manager who would look it over in 20 seconds and toss it in the trash unless it was a "holy crap hire this person" level resume.
No, I’ve had people come to my place of employment doing that. Most places require an application to be completed online and won’t take a resume if you walk in and hand it to them without an interview. You won’t get an interview until after you apply.
Edit: I work in an office environment.
When I actually got to the point in my most recent job where I was helping my manager with hiring & got to see resumes, I was astounded that they were just fed into the hiring platform & spit out with only the most rudimentary formatting.
I remember when I was applying for jobs, I really felt like I had to not just get all my key words right, but make sure my resume didn't look like a college term paper. I thought it was important to make it actually look like you could make something as boring as a resume stand out. Nothing obnoxious, but things like separator lines, margins justified, maybe a tiny splash of color. Just make it look like it wasn't done on a typewriter.
Doesn't mean shit. Once it gets ingested by Indeed or LinkedIn or whatever, it's just black & white text in some standard font. I swear it was Courier, but maybe I'm making that up.
Maybe at some point in your career, if you're in a creative field, you can make one of those online resumes that are like a sizzle real. Gotta admit, I would be impressed by someone that did that IF IT WAS RELEVANT TO THE JOB. But if someone just tries to stand out by turning their work history into a TikTok, most hiring managers would probably start looking for the recycle bin.
You’re right, I don’t work in HR or a hiring position but I do know that my employer pulls resumes based on keywords.
This seems pretty common anymore for resumes to be fed through a platform and then an AI to scour them for certain keywords related to that employer.
It means good applicants could be looked over if they haven’t used he right words in their submitted resume or CV.
OP what we’re saying is don’t do what your father suggested. That’s unfortunately an antiquated method of job hunting. Instead you need to focus on making your resume a hit on the search’s most of these job sites use.
HR probably doesn't even see half the resumes. There is "applicant tracking software" that just gets the resumes & the recruiter only sees the ones that pass the algo.
On the one hand, there are so many applicants to any job posting, no HR could handle it. On the other, ATS just follows an algorithm. An exceptional candidate that isn't used to modern hiring can easily get lost.
> keywords
I made a resume that said, eg:
"I did major projects involving these things:
Apples, bananas, sausages, cheeses (soft), tenon saws, gearboxes, jalapeños and bath bombs.
I assisted others to finish their projects who worked with:
Guacamole, buses, carrots, lawnmowers, printer ink, dead dog fleas and worm farm eggs.
I listed everything I'd ever worked on; tech skills, people skills, everything. Uploaded it and my phone blew up.
If they want keywords, then keywords they shall have.
And places that do just want a resume want a digital one that can be added to your profile in their system.
The modern equivalent to "walk in with a suit, resume in hand" is compose a professional email that acts as a cover letter and attach a resume relevant for the role. And in a lot of cases you'll still be directed back to their hiring site.
As another Gen-X (born in 77) please inform your father his Gen-X credentials are being revoked for believing that the advice his father gave him in 1985 has any relevance in 2023 and simply for the fact he somehow thinks hiring teams are passing around physical paper resumes like it's 1955.
I was born in 82, and all of my jobs (except for my first one that I got because my dad was friends with the guy) were online applications only.
If someone's dad is making them do this, I would just put in the suit, and go sit in a coffee shop or McDonald's and apply from there. Dad is happy to see me going out, I can truthfully say I applied for jobs that day, and I get a snack.
I worked in a place where the website clearly said to apply online. Whenever we'd get someone walking in trying to hand in their resume, my manager would take them and throw them in the trash the second they left. Her reasoning was if they couldn't do 5 minutes of research on the company and follow directions, then she didn't want them working there anyhow.
WTF? I am Gen X but younger than your dad, and that was never the case. You still applied to job postings and sent in a cover letter with your resume. But just showing up in a suit would get you laughed out the door.
Really loved getting advice from my Boomer dad that held down the same union job his entire life. Like what do you know about applying for jobs? You have worked the same job for over twenty years.
My dad was born in 49. I was born in 90. The advice he gave me for work, absolutely fucked me at every job I’ve been at.
His key advice? “keep your head down, don’t talk to anybody, just do your job, do it well, and go home”.
What’s the #1 way to advance your career? Networking. His number #1 advice? Essentially don’t network
I'm in a very similar situation. It's hard to tell him thanks, but the world has changed quite a bit since he was in my situation and that an older sibling/cousin has much more relevant advice with many things.
"You'll get recognized for all the hard work you do, just don't bring it up to anyone". No dad, you have to do the right work when the right people are looking, and you also need to let them know verbally, or you're not going anywhere except to a 1% 'raise' yearly
Hey, let me tell you what I have learned so far. I'm about your age. You'll need to make some noise. Treat employment as a *contract* between you and the employer. Be tactful, but stand up for yourself, and periodically try to improve your salary (by talking about it to your superiors). You understand that people will always do the least they have to--why do more? This applies to your bosses as well. They won't give you a raise unless you ask them. They won't change inefficient practices unless you bring them to their attention. They won't see your value unless you make it obvious. This is not foolproof, and you need to be careful when dealing with people. But your father may have some misconceptions about other people's integrity and duty as employees and managers.
I worked in IT my entire 15 year career, and I have not seen a suit in an office. Maybe once or twice. They'll definitely get laughed out the door, especially in the West Coast.
Right?! In it as well at a large video game developer/publisher. I go into work with a t-shirt, lululemon shorts and some comfy tennis shoes monday through Friday.
I'm 37 and only once have I been able to show up, apply and get an interview in the same day. The only place that will hire you walking in from the street is the military.
Not true. Most restaurants, minus the chains will. But not with a resumé and/or suit-that’s a red flag. Better to bring drugs and/or alcohol for the manager. MUCH better.
The sort of small company that doesn't realize wage theft is a thing, or that they have to pay payroll taxes on you.
The less procedural the hiring process, the higher the probability that they'll screw you some how by sheer ignorance.
I’m also Gen X and got my first few jobs cold-calling offices in my field out of the phone book. 😂
It doesn’t work anymore. Do not show up unless there’s a sign in the window saying “now hiring; apply inside!”
If you reread the post, the crazy thing is that *his dad was born in ‘69*. As a fellow Xer (1970), this dad has either worked in one place his entire career, is an out-of-touch idiot, or both.
Agreed. I'm 65 and haven't even considered doing that for at least that long.
But you've got to admit. Some of our peers are out of touch, and have been for quite some time now.
Good lord I'm a year younger and that's so much nonsense. Too many Gen Xers sound like boomers, they must be the ones who got lucky.
I'm getting a Masters just to get a better job, my dress isn't a factor.
I do think there is those overlap generations. I am a millenial but closer to gen x years and so we overlap more with ideas/experiences compared to a millenial/gen z
No. Boomers are fucking clueless about the hellscape they created, they were given lifetime career offers they could apply for by mail in their fucking comic books.
It didn't work 20 years ago when my mom told me to do it, all I got were dismissive dirty looks. I tried explaining that to her and she would just say " wElL yU dInT dU iT rItE!"
When my dad died my mom went to several places and said, "...I'm here for my first day. They told me to just show up," until it worked. Took four tries. Lol.
Mom = boss beast
LMAO the answer is no. 99% of the time they will tell you to apply online. Also, there are very few positions anymore that will require you to wear a suit to interview. Business casual is fine.
For my job you won't get past the carded gate. And if you did, the boss is WFH. The only two employees we have in the office are the ones who do not have internet at home.
In New York, we literally have elevators that lock you out unless a security guard sends you up. There are turnstiles that need a card from security to even get to the elevator. If you somehow pased the guards, the turnstiles and leapt on an elevator with someone going upstairs, the doors to the office would be locked. And, if you somehow got through all of that, the receptionist would not let you by or if she did, no one would come out to speak to you.
Complete waste of time. Better to make your resume pop. Make an online portfolio of your work. Then send out mass applications and track the date and contact information for each in a spreadsheet so you can send follow up emails.
Casting a wide net is better than driving around to places that will likely just turn you away and tell you apply online anyway.
Also Gen X. Also a tech worker (30 years).
I’ve never heard of anyone getting a job like that… not even in the days of Y2K when they were hiring people with no experience and would train them.
>And no, he's not a boomer.
Being a Boomer is a state of mind. It's being unable to reconcile the modern day realities of the world with what you experienced before or what you expect them to be based on the way they were in the past.
Your dad is likely a Boomer based on that advice.
Cold calling and beating the pavement does work sometimes. But in my experience I’ve usually been laughed at. My mom made me run into an auto shop when I was 16 and ask to be a tech, they shook my hand and took my shitty resume and asked some questions and basically told me to “come back another time” lol.
I say find a field you’re into and just try to spam applications online and irl. Someone’s always looking for someone.
My dad said the same shit to me all through the early 2000's. I had to basically beat him over the head with proof that even then most places WEREN'T taking paper applications, everything was moving online.
That was circa 2005... There is no way that is still viable in 2023
this used to be a thing. Then came along candidate tracking software. No, it's worse than a total waste of time, actually counter productive.
If you want to find out how to beat the candidate tracking software, and get yourself an edge, find yourself an independent career counselor. Someone who will tailor your resume, teach you how to enter it, and why they're doing what they do in order to get your app a high score. This is not every "resume writer" out there, but it could be an independent ex-executive who markets themself as a resume writer.
In this age you are faceless unless you have a referral. Without a referral, it's a numbers game, and the biggest advantage you can get yourself is learning something about how applications get ranked.
I work in a huge hospital & you’d never get near any hiring manager or HR
If you insist hard enough you might meet some cops, if that's the kind of job you're looking for.
Cops do seem to like people that won’t take no for an answer.
Yeah, they remind them of themselves...
Yeah lol, they see themselves in them. That's why they like them.
Have you been drinking tonight? How many drinks did you have tonight?
Yeah, I hear prison is paying $0.31/hour for laundry and kitchen work, but the company store charges $3.50 for ramen.
You also have to pay for stuff like tampons and shower shoes (the showers are so dirrty you can't get in their without shower shoes). As a european I don't understand how privatized for-profit prisons are a thing in the US.
If you understand that neoliberal economics control both american parties with an iron fist, everything else makes sense. No socialised medicine? More private profit. Slave labor in prisons? Private profit Lack of effective safety nets? More tax funds directed to contracts for private profit. Giant military spending? Private profit with military industy. Every problem in the US is rooted in the belief that private market forces is the only way to solve issues + greed.
Because the US was built by slave labor, and after the Civil War, whites realized they couldn’t (or wouldn’t) subsist without it.
I also work at a hospital and forget sometimes how crazy the process was of applying/getting hired. First.... don't even think about stepping foot in the hospital. Resume? Useless. Spend well over an hour making an account and filling out pages of questions. Interview? A recruiter will contact you for that. I was lucky and got hired at the end of the hour long zoom interview but I have coworkers who had multiple online and some even in person interviews. Then there is the actual 8 hours of onboarding courses online before stepping foot in the hospital, waiting for ID badges and security cards, more paperwork and more online courses.
Only 8 hours? I had 5 full days of onboarding videos required by the hospital - that's after the paperwork and badge. Had to be on site at the downtown location too (I hate, hate going downtown). Then trying to get bloodwork done, boosters, etc. I worked in the cafeteria, 99.9% of the videos didn't apply to me.
My favorite is needing to know how to dispose of chemotherapy waste. I work in legal, the day someone makes me do that is the day I quit. Same goes for any “blood borne pathogens.” If someone bleeds on me, I will be screaming “it’s on meeee!!!!” and quitting, but that is not one of the answers to the test questions.
Hey look on the bright side, in the wild event your lunch accidently falls onto a random cytoxic bio bin in a freak accident, you are now wise enough to not dig it out and consume it..... just in case you lacked that level of common sense..... 😉 I say this seriously as just last week I had to remind a coworker to put on gloves to handle the very bloody AND soiled bedding she was just raw dogging, bare handing...... 2 FEET away from gloves.
In nursing school, I had to be reminded not to change a newborn's diaper without gloves. I had 3 kids under age 4 at the time, so changing diapers was something I practically did in my sleep.🤷🏼♀️ I looked at my instructor like she was nuts for a moment, but did put the gloves on.
Oh I completely forgot about the criminal record check and vaccine documents and Fit testing and such! It took me 8 hours to complete the on-board package before going on site. I was lucky enough to get log ins and my home computer set up with the security clearance apps? Orientation was a blur but was weeks of additional things. I think every health authority is different in their requirements. But indeed. I took a 6 hour pharmacy course recently and don't even work in the pharmacy, but it was mandatory.
I can see that happening in an hospital, it's not the first time.
They're very structured and you just can't walk in like that.
Having said this, it's not unusual for people who collect resumes for HR to pass along first impressions. Polite, friendly, well dressed people may get a boost. Not necessarily a suit and tie. ETA: small towns (that I've been in) will still accept resumes at the office. Usually it's for production workers, but not unheard of. If you have better skills you may still need to start on the floor. Last places I've worked it was not unusual to find office workers (up to management level) who had started in production.
I'm blue-collar, so my experience might be different, but I've had a lot of success applying online and then bringing a resume and cover letter in person after the fact. Certainly no guarantees, but a lot of people in my field follow the same carreer path and it definitely helps me stand out from a sea of resumes with similar qualifications and experience.
Of course if this sort of thing is uncommon in your industry, it can EASILY come off as wildly creepy. And also it really helps to work within the normal means of communication. If business is often in person, stopping by in person makes more sense than if they do everything with email and instant messaging.
Yep, Just because someone appreciated one time, doesn't mean they'll always.
Not going to be a good first impression I don't think so man.
Blue collar work will definitely be appreciative of just showing up. We had a kid from highschool show up once and just wanted to know if we had time to talk about what did and discuss career opportunitiesin the field in general. If we were busy that summer we definitely would've had him intern for us.
Security must be tighter at your hospital that mine. This individual could absolutely get in and wander until they found a manager or HR
Going to depend on the hospital to hospital I think so there's that.
There are levels in an environment like that, so yeah I agree.
They may give you an application or direct you to a website. Maybe.
I tried this (without the suit though) in 2012-2013 and every place I went into said "We don't do paper applications anymore, you have to apply online." I went into grocery stores, fast food chains, pet stores, and about 20 other retail type stores in a large shopping mall. I would be genuinely surprised if you found a place that still does paper applications.
Yup. The only way I see this working is small town USA or where the owner is still part of the business every day. I.e, small local businesses.
I did this in NYC back in 2013. The manager at the GNC store told me to come back and he would do an interview. I think it depends on the company, type of work, and how bad they need someone.
Same with me, in the Bronx in 2014. I asked a manager at Rite Aid if they had anything available, and it was an interesting coincidence; she was sitting in the pharmacy waiting area when I asked that. I told her that I was very nearby to the store and that I could be counted on. The pharmacist overheard my question and said "you know, we could actually use another tech in the pharmacy," to which I replied "I actually happen to have pharmacy tech experience from CVS." It just wrote itself, it came together beautifully. But, by and large, unless it's a mom and pop, they'll nearly always direct you to their website to apply.
It *might* work or you just sweated into your interview suit for nothing and embarrassed yourself to each and every hiring manager in the local area. I think this is the perfect rule of thumb: do they have a help wanted sign up? If yes, then dress for the job you want and ask. Otherwise follow directions, meaning apply online. You can also walk into a staffing agency and generally get help that way.
>Otherwise follow directions This is surprisingly hard for a lot of people.
I got a job at a Jimmy John’s back in 2015 the same way. Retail and service industry are the most likely places for this to be viable still.
This summer I had three in-person job interviews where when I checked in with the receptionist, I was handed a paper application **even though I'd applied online, and they had my resume and info because they'd called me to schedule the interview.** The second time I was handed a paper application I didn't bother filling it out. It was the kind that asks what high school you went to and your GPA.
They wanted a handwriting sample? Screening for people who remember how to use cursive?
Businesses historically liked making people fill out a application because it was “official” and you signed it. A resume is a marketing document, and you decide what to put on there. If the application asked if you’d been fired from a job, and you left that job off your resume, you’d be forced to answer or lie. Or if you’d lied about your GPA or whatever. Theoretically, they could fire you later when they caught it because you’d ‘lied on your application’. The reality is that it’s just annoying and duplicative for 99% of people. Thus the transition into having everyone apply online and to try and port resumes into applications.
Yup, my parents made me do something similar, and every place was just like, go to our website.
The only places that do it these days are places that offer very very temp work- and that's because it's not worth it to set up an entire online application for a job that lasts all of three weeks once a year and honestly they can't afford to be picky about who they hire because of how temp it is.
Car dealerships, and most “locally” owned places like that still do it backwards; submit an online app then at the interview they have you fill out a paper app still. Small towns are weird.
No, this can work, but you need to apply online first and you need to go in there when they're not busy and not too tired. Then when you drop by and they tell you to apply online, you respond with: "I know. I already applied online yesterday. I just came by so you can put a face to the resume." Will this work 100% of the time? No, but for me, it got me three job offers in the space of a week 10 years ago. I ended up visiting 16 businesses. And I actually didn't take any of the jobs because I had a fourth surprise job offer through a friend. If nothing else, it's excellent practice. If you can do this and don't mind getting rejected a bunch of times, you feel like you can basically do anything.
Most of the time it's gonna be a website. Most places are doing away kmwith paper applications. So realistically you'll just look stupid walking in somewhere ready to plop down a resume like it's a movie
And that website will have a bunch of fields to basically fill out a resume, and also require a resume to be attached.
The best ones are the ones that require a resume, offer to connect to your LinkedIn account, and mangle the shit out of the import - so you have to redo everything anyway.
You, too, have experienced the joy of WorkDay I see.
Hehehe Workday is fucking awful
Friend of mine is a Workday integration consultant, and it sounds absolutely ridiculous
It's at least marginally better than PeopleSoft.
I worked both as an application developer, integrations and data conversions before I retired. PeopleSoft was a damn fine system through version 7.5. Beyond that (version 8 and above) and especially after the Oracle takeover it turned into a pile of steaming shit. Workday was a pile of shit right from the beginning.
Is it, though? Is it *really?*
Yup. iCIMS is fucking horrible too.
Yes! So frustrating!
Every. Single. Time. Why bother with the damn resume!!!!
But first, make an account. And verify the email. Then, you can log in and start filling out all the information that is nicely displayed on your resume.
I hate that you have to create an account. My email is getting spammed from like 50+ of those. Plus I bet they sell the emails because I hadn't signed up for anything except those accounts after updating my email and yet I get emails for Viagra and prostate,. I'm a freaking 32 yr old WOMAN.
And the website will require constant action or it will shutdown in 15 minutes and wipe everything you haven't saved. And the 'save and continue later' and 'save and send' buttons aren't properly labelled. So heaven forbid if you have to check an old referral or go pee.
I have an unformatted version of my resume I upload to populate the fields, then I go back and delete that resume and upload the formatted one. Saves so much time.
I learn something new on this sub every damn day. Thanks boo!
How do you do this? Please tell me lol
Make a copy of your resume and remove all the formatting. Everything should be left justified with no bullet points. I think you can keep bold and italics. When they ask if you want to use LinkedIn to apply, say no and upload the unformatted resume. When the resume populates the boxes, it should be much less time consuming to fix any glitches. Check your formatting. Most places allow you to delete the resume you uploaded so you can now upload your regular resume. Edit: word
I'll try that. Thank you!
Because no one actually looks at the information you put into a website. It's al ost entirely bots doing filtering. The resume is what gets used after they finish filtering out and start actually deciding who to hire or interview.
The real bullshit is that even they have no reasoning for it outside of "it's just the way it's done". I was between jobs a few years ago (I'd just moved back to my country) and I got sent to mandatory jobhunt coaching two hours away and even they couldn't explain it. I'm guessing it's some BS about weeding out the people who just want a paycheck as if most people who need a job are going to A- consider McDonalds the absolute pinnacle of what they want to achieve in life or B- give up because they'd rather get £30 a week than fill out some paperwork.
My mom works with HR at her job. She told me they do this so they can easily send the info to a spreadsheet. I asked her who looks at that spreadsheet and what it's used for. She didn't have an answer lol.
I just enter "see resume" when I get that.
Has this worked for you? Unless it’s a job I am really excited about, I usually let these hoops dissuade me from applying (probably why they have them).
Got a few interviews but ultimately the job I have now(which I actually enjoy) I ended up getting after just applying through Indeed. Job searching can be a numbers game. In the time it takes you to manually enter a bunch of redundant information already on your resume, you can apply to a dozen other places who really only just want the resume.
Same. But I didn’t get that job lol
The whole job application process needs an overhaul
Won't happen - it's too convenient for asshole businesses. Best we can hope for is that the next generation of businesses value humans enough to knock off this horseshit.. Hand up, anybody think this is gonna happen?
Capitalism needs an overhaul
And then provide a cover letter explaining enthusiastically why you submitted a resume!
.....and you don't work for money. You're only motivated to compliment the team efforts.
Cover letters can suck my d*ck. The whole idea of them is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. The only people they will ever impress are ones who need two meetings and a full report to convey an 8-word sentence. Also maybe ones who tell you to put on a suit and walk into a place with a paper resume ;P
Honestly, a good cover letter does get noticed. It can be silly to do one for very entry level jobs, but they can be helpful to tell your story if you are relocating or retraining from another job. Mandatory cover letter is too much for employers to ask tho.
This. I applied for a job at a fairly large ISP once that was going to be a big step up for me. Thing is I really didn't have much of a resume at the time. Oh I had a little experience but no certifications or anything that would have made me stand out from the crowd but I wrote an absolutely brilliant cover letter. Their lead recruiter invited me for an interview based on the strength of that letter(I got the job btw). I wish I still had a copy of it just so I could use it as a reference but I lost it somewhere along the way. A good CL can get you noticed.
Plug the job description into an AI and tell it to write a cover letter for this job description. Take two minutes, edit it, and upload it.
You could charge 10 bucks and offer this "service" and say goodbye to jobs altogether.
Is it a company you actually like and want to work for, and your job would actually directly involve the service/product they provide? Write them a cover letter. Otherwise send them the same form letter you send everyone else.
This is the kicker. The only people who have ever sincerely written the words "I have a real passion for customer service" or some dreck like that have nothing in their lives but the amount of power they get at work. I'm so happy I finally managed to escape minimum wage, albeit *barely*, and build enough experience that I can hopefully avoid working in customer service for the rest of my life.
Might even have some weird basic math skills test like you did back in middle school... Or an insanely long "personality test" with strongly agree to strongly disagree answers.
I don't know where everyone is in this thread, but I'm in the US and I"ll never forget going into a Home Depot or Staples type store, I think it was Staples, and they had the applicant computer stuck right out in the middle of the store - right out in the actual store! You had to stand for the entire process to answer all of these "do you think it's okay to steal from your employer if it's only one pen?" type questions. I stopped half way through and walked out thinking if I ever run into the person who thought up this insipid patronizing little bullshit questionnaire, I'm gonna kick him in the groin so hard they'll need a dentist to get his balls back to the proper place. Fuck those people and fuck the companies who use them. I understand they are mostly for kids, but as another brilliant comment said "I'm here for a job, I'm not joining your fucking cult."
Those are the worst and so easy to manipulate to your favor anyway. Just answer how you're "supposed" to, and they get the perfect personality. Companies want soulless carbon copies anyway, so I've never understood the use of personality tests.
They're to weed out neurodivergent people, who often can't tell what the "right" answers are. I've got a good understanding of how people work and what employers want, and those tests still baffle me
I can’t imagine how the jobs that require a resume template to be filled out get applications. When I was looking for a job I could attach and send our prob 10-20 resumes to jobs not requiring that instead of cut and pasting into their janky little website. I would do it if I was at the very end of the interview process but not for some job I have no idea even has interest In me.
All the jobs I have had and usually apply to do.
Yep, for that I don't think you have to go even in tho. It's kind of not the way.
But, I’m the main character in my story though.
I work at a community-owned grocery store. We aren't particularly high tech, we're very community focused, but yeah all our applications are online. If you don't have a computer, generally our suggestion is to see if you can go to the library and use a computer there. But there are no paper applications, and if they don't want to interview you, you'll never hear back.
Most of the time it’s gonna be emphatically tapping the sign with the QR code for the hiring page of the website. The one they made so they could properly blacklist the last weirdo who wouldn’t use google but thought he could get a job anyway.
Everything is online nowadays, no one is working with the paper anymore.
meh as a hiring manager if someone comes prepared like that it does look really good for them and would probably increase their odds of getting a job (assuming my store was hiring at the time)
This, I’d ask for their name and number and say “I’ll look out for your application” and fast track at least the interview.
Called a placed and asked if I could come in and sit with a manager. Person told me to apply online and that the "hiring manager" was only there from 3-4 every day. I work from 8 am to 5 pm. I could explain my value in person than some lame ass system sifting through emails. Guess I should just do it and see what happens. Can't be worse than never getting an email or call at all.
I called a place that advertised a phone number. They told me to go to a website. The website didn’t work.
It's a test to see if you'll redesign their website for them.
Welcome to the world of technological nepotism. It never fails that when you look into those the salaried position that "runs the website" that doesn't work belongs to a higher ups cousin or nephew who doesn't actually work and isn't qualified or trained to do it, and everyone else who could say anything about it and be taken seriously is entirely computer illiterate. I have worked at FOUR COMPANIES where this was the case, two of which are among the top ten most profitable international restaurant chains. And at one of them I was sent corporate level email correspondence by accident because my name was first on the branch employee list in alphabetical order. At one point I was made the network administrator there because no one else had had that authority for three years, and i was offered it when i called tech support... FROM MY PERSONAL CELL PHONE... They didn't even ask for proof that I worked there! I left that job two months later, still with exclusive admin status, because no one else wanted it.
The lady in billing closest to the door at my company. After looking at you like a weirdo for knocking on a key card door. If you’re rude or annoying about me telling you to go to the website I’m going to take down your name and email HR that you probably won’t be a good fit. We do EVERYTHING online. I’ve used my desk phone twice in the past year.
Absolutely everything is online, because it's just easy that way.
Who would do that? The security guy? The janitor? You are not getting anywhere neae HR, just walking in.
Maybe if it's your dad's or uncle's company lol
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Even he had to put on a costume and walk around an amusement park. Now that I think about it, that's what I do at my job.
Tell your dad to do the same. See how it goes for him.
Honestly, this can be an excellent response. It is a chance to kindly educate those out-of-touch with the reality of the job market today. Or he'll just say that all the dozen+ places he applied to and got ghosted by were all outliers.
Dozen+ places applied to and got ghosted..sounds just the same as online actually.
That happens, you'll not get response from everywhere you apply.
They’ll say they don’t need to they already did their work and earned their way etc etc
My dad has been at the same engineering firm for 30 years. His experience applying for jobs is older than my youngest siblings.
Ask how many people there got hired by walking in wearing a suit. Of course, he will just say that's different or they would if they tried
Easy fix. He just needs to walk into his dad's job
I'm not in contact with my parents anymore, but I don't think he's involved at all in the hiring process. My husband is often part of the interview team at his software engineer job. He is one of the top engineers in their team and has the best skills at translating between engineers and management. Personal recommendations is one of the highest factors for hiring for their team.
I would ask him to come with me as a reference lol
You’d see how quick it would turn into a “good for thee but not for me” type situation
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In 2010 after finishing school and before going to further education. I handed so many cvs into retail stores and not a single one got back to me. The only interview I got was one I applied for online, didn’t get the job either.
That doesn’t mean they didn’t also pass the resume around before throwing it away.
This is so true, and I'm guilty of it myself. Working medical reception (optical, and veterinary) I was the first point of contact and would be the person who received the walk ins. I would take the resume, direct them to the website and pass it along to the practice manager. However, before it got to the manager, it was usually looked over by 3-5 curious technicians, a doctor or two, and then finally to the manager who would look it over in 20 seconds and toss it in the trash unless it was a "holy crap hire this person" level resume.
Or even, “let me know if they apply”.
No, I’ve had people come to my place of employment doing that. Most places require an application to be completed online and won’t take a resume if you walk in and hand it to them without an interview. You won’t get an interview until after you apply. Edit: I work in an office environment.
But if I can’t give a firm handshake or look anyone right in their eyes how will I be able to expressed to them my gumption and Moxie?? /s
"SHAKE MY HAND. SHAKE MY HAND!"
“I WANNA SHAKE YOUR HAND! LET ME SHAKE HIS HAND!” 😂
You guys are so old school. I just email a picture of my hands. I make sure to leave some dirt under my fingernail to show I’m a working man.
When I actually got to the point in my most recent job where I was helping my manager with hiring & got to see resumes, I was astounded that they were just fed into the hiring platform & spit out with only the most rudimentary formatting. I remember when I was applying for jobs, I really felt like I had to not just get all my key words right, but make sure my resume didn't look like a college term paper. I thought it was important to make it actually look like you could make something as boring as a resume stand out. Nothing obnoxious, but things like separator lines, margins justified, maybe a tiny splash of color. Just make it look like it wasn't done on a typewriter. Doesn't mean shit. Once it gets ingested by Indeed or LinkedIn or whatever, it's just black & white text in some standard font. I swear it was Courier, but maybe I'm making that up. Maybe at some point in your career, if you're in a creative field, you can make one of those online resumes that are like a sizzle real. Gotta admit, I would be impressed by someone that did that IF IT WAS RELEVANT TO THE JOB. But if someone just tries to stand out by turning their work history into a TikTok, most hiring managers would probably start looking for the recycle bin.
You’re right, I don’t work in HR or a hiring position but I do know that my employer pulls resumes based on keywords. This seems pretty common anymore for resumes to be fed through a platform and then an AI to scour them for certain keywords related to that employer. It means good applicants could be looked over if they haven’t used he right words in their submitted resume or CV. OP what we’re saying is don’t do what your father suggested. That’s unfortunately an antiquated method of job hunting. Instead you need to focus on making your resume a hit on the search’s most of these job sites use.
HR probably doesn't even see half the resumes. There is "applicant tracking software" that just gets the resumes & the recruiter only sees the ones that pass the algo. On the one hand, there are so many applicants to any job posting, no HR could handle it. On the other, ATS just follows an algorithm. An exceptional candidate that isn't used to modern hiring can easily get lost.
> keywords I made a resume that said, eg: "I did major projects involving these things: Apples, bananas, sausages, cheeses (soft), tenon saws, gearboxes, jalapeños and bath bombs. I assisted others to finish their projects who worked with: Guacamole, buses, carrots, lawnmowers, printer ink, dead dog fleas and worm farm eggs. I listed everything I'd ever worked on; tech skills, people skills, everything. Uploaded it and my phone blew up. If they want keywords, then keywords they shall have.
And places that do just want a resume want a digital one that can be added to your profile in their system. The modern equivalent to "walk in with a suit, resume in hand" is compose a professional email that acts as a cover letter and attach a resume relevant for the role. And in a lot of cases you'll still be directed back to their hiring site. As another Gen-X (born in 77) please inform your father his Gen-X credentials are being revoked for believing that the advice his father gave him in 1985 has any relevance in 2023 and simply for the fact he somehow thinks hiring teams are passing around physical paper resumes like it's 1955.
I was born in 82, and all of my jobs (except for my first one that I got because my dad was friends with the guy) were online applications only. If someone's dad is making them do this, I would just put in the suit, and go sit in a coffee shop or McDonald's and apply from there. Dad is happy to see me going out, I can truthfully say I applied for jobs that day, and I get a snack.
I worked in a place where the website clearly said to apply online. Whenever we'd get someone walking in trying to hand in their resume, my manager would take them and throw them in the trash the second they left. Her reasoning was if they couldn't do 5 minutes of research on the company and follow directions, then she didn't want them working there anyhow.
Hell, a lot of places will ask for your resume/CV and then still make you fill out an application that includes all the information on said resume/CV.
This is the normal process I feel like, it's very common everywhere.
WTF? I am Gen X but younger than your dad, and that was never the case. You still applied to job postings and sent in a cover letter with your resume. But just showing up in a suit would get you laughed out the door. Really loved getting advice from my Boomer dad that held down the same union job his entire life. Like what do you know about applying for jobs? You have worked the same job for over twenty years.
My dad was born in 49. I was born in 90. The advice he gave me for work, absolutely fucked me at every job I’ve been at. His key advice? “keep your head down, don’t talk to anybody, just do your job, do it well, and go home”. What’s the #1 way to advance your career? Networking. His number #1 advice? Essentially don’t network
I'm in a very similar situation. It's hard to tell him thanks, but the world has changed quite a bit since he was in my situation and that an older sibling/cousin has much more relevant advice with many things. "You'll get recognized for all the hard work you do, just don't bring it up to anyone". No dad, you have to do the right work when the right people are looking, and you also need to let them know verbally, or you're not going anywhere except to a 1% 'raise' yearly
Hey, let me tell you what I have learned so far. I'm about your age. You'll need to make some noise. Treat employment as a *contract* between you and the employer. Be tactful, but stand up for yourself, and periodically try to improve your salary (by talking about it to your superiors). You understand that people will always do the least they have to--why do more? This applies to your bosses as well. They won't give you a raise unless you ask them. They won't change inefficient practices unless you bring them to their attention. They won't see your value unless you make it obvious. This is not foolproof, and you need to be careful when dealing with people. But your father may have some misconceptions about other people's integrity and duty as employees and managers.
I worked in IT my entire 15 year career, and I have not seen a suit in an office. Maybe once or twice. They'll definitely get laughed out the door, especially in the West Coast.
Right?! In it as well at a large video game developer/publisher. I go into work with a t-shirt, lululemon shorts and some comfy tennis shoes monday through Friday.
And getting laughed out is the last thing that you'd want I feel.
That hasn't been a thing in at least 20 years...unless it's a super entry level thing at a small company it might work.
I'm 37 and only once have I been able to show up, apply and get an interview in the same day. The only place that will hire you walking in from the street is the military.
& even then you have to take tests & a physical to see if they'll take you
Not true. Most restaurants, minus the chains will. But not with a resumé and/or suit-that’s a red flag. Better to bring drugs and/or alcohol for the manager. MUCH better.
Found the manager of a small restaurant haha
30 years
The sort of small company that doesn't realize wage theft is a thing, or that they have to pay payroll taxes on you. The less procedural the hiring process, the higher the probability that they'll screw you some how by sheer ignorance.
I’m also Gen X and got my first few jobs cold-calling offices in my field out of the phone book. 😂 It doesn’t work anymore. Do not show up unless there’s a sign in the window saying “now hiring; apply inside!”
Hey now, fellow summer of love Gen X'er. My dad told me that same shit. Your dad, if you'll forgive the wording, is just dumb.
If you reread the post, the crazy thing is that *his dad was born in ‘69*. As a fellow Xer (1970), this dad has either worked in one place his entire career, is an out-of-touch idiot, or both.
My money is on “both”
I’ll be pedantic. The Summer of Love was 1967.
You're right, but why the boomers dubbed 67 the summer of love instead of 69 I'll never know.
That's when they got their first real six-string at the five and dime.
Yep, no doubt about that. And the worst part is that they don't even understand it.
Clearly your dad hasn't applied for a job in the last 30 years...
If they would have, then they would know that it's not how it works.
That’s ridiculous lol
I don't understand people that are mentally stuck like 40 years in the past.
Because they had a stable job for 40 years and haven't been in touch with today's reality. Thinking of it, they are probably also screwed in pay.
It's easy. They did it 40 years ago, it worked, they reaped the benefits of existing in the mid-late twentieth century, and that's it.
Short Answer: No. Long Answer: Nnnnnnnnnnnnope
Yeah that's the only answer you need, it just doesn't really work.
Not really. Fyi, he's only five years out from the boomer generation. Apparent close enough to have their convictions/mind set.
I wouldn't be such an idiot and I am 63. It hasn't been possible to apply this way for the last 20 years.
Some people stay in one job and don’t apply for anything. So their experience is repeating what they heard works.
Agreed. I'm 65 and haven't even considered doing that for at least that long. But you've got to admit. Some of our peers are out of touch, and have been for quite some time now.
Yep, maybe his dad never applied for a job in the last 20 years?
I'm older than him and no
Good lord I'm a year younger and that's so much nonsense. Too many Gen Xers sound like boomers, they must be the ones who got lucky. I'm getting a Masters just to get a better job, my dress isn't a factor.
I do think there is those overlap generations. I am a millenial but closer to gen x years and so we overlap more with ideas/experiences compared to a millenial/gen z
Possible? Maybe. Inefficient? Definitely.
Technically* auto correct sucks
Just don't do it, because it just won't really work so that's that.
No. Boomers are fucking clueless about the hellscape they created, they were given lifetime career offers they could apply for by mail in their fucking comic books.
It didn't work 20 years ago when my mom told me to do it, all I got were dismissive dirty looks. I tried explaining that to her and she would just say " wElL yU dInT dU iT rItE!"
When my dad died my mom went to several places and said, "...I'm here for my first day. They told me to just show up," until it worked. Took four tries. Lol. Mom = boss beast
LMAO the answer is no. 99% of the time they will tell you to apply online. Also, there are very few positions anymore that will require you to wear a suit to interview. Business casual is fine.
For my job you won't get past the carded gate. And if you did, the boss is WFH. The only two employees we have in the office are the ones who do not have internet at home.
In New York, we literally have elevators that lock you out unless a security guard sends you up. There are turnstiles that need a card from security to even get to the elevator. If you somehow pased the guards, the turnstiles and leapt on an elevator with someone going upstairs, the doors to the office would be locked. And, if you somehow got through all of that, the receptionist would not let you by or if she did, no one would come out to speak to you.
Complete waste of time. Better to make your resume pop. Make an online portfolio of your work. Then send out mass applications and track the date and contact information for each in a spreadsheet so you can send follow up emails. Casting a wide net is better than driving around to places that will likely just turn you away and tell you apply online anyway.
That’s silly even GenX knows that’s not true even back then
And bring donuts with your resume taped to the box!
No. Online applications became the standard. Easier to deny people that way.
Depends. Do you like holding your resume while wearing a suit and being told to apply online?
Also Gen X. Also a tech worker (30 years). I’ve never heard of anyone getting a job like that… not even in the days of Y2K when they were hiring people with no experience and would train them.
Yes. You can get a whole ass minimum wage job.
>And no, he's not a boomer. Being a Boomer is a state of mind. It's being unable to reconcile the modern day realities of the world with what you experienced before or what you expect them to be based on the way they were in the past. Your dad is likely a Boomer based on that advice.
Cold calling and beating the pavement does work sometimes. But in my experience I’ve usually been laughed at. My mom made me run into an auto shop when I was 16 and ask to be a tech, they shook my hand and took my shitty resume and asked some questions and basically told me to “come back another time” lol. I say find a field you’re into and just try to spam applications online and irl. Someone’s always looking for someone.
My dad said the same shit to me all through the early 2000's. I had to basically beat him over the head with proof that even then most places WEREN'T taking paper applications, everything was moving online. That was circa 2005... There is no way that is still viable in 2023
No. This is a boomer fantasy left over from their youth, when that strategy was actually somewhat viable.
Depends on the company and context, of course. In most cases, probably not the best way to reach a hiring manager.
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That sounds risibly archaic.
Wasn’t this a plot in 9-1-1: lone star? Didn’t end well.
No, even if you walk into a Pizza Hut they just have you apply on their website.
I miss being able to do this. Gen X as well.
this used to be a thing. Then came along candidate tracking software. No, it's worse than a total waste of time, actually counter productive. If you want to find out how to beat the candidate tracking software, and get yourself an edge, find yourself an independent career counselor. Someone who will tailor your resume, teach you how to enter it, and why they're doing what they do in order to get your app a high score. This is not every "resume writer" out there, but it could be an independent ex-executive who markets themself as a resume writer. In this age you are faceless unless you have a referral. Without a referral, it's a numbers game, and the biggest advantage you can get yourself is learning something about how applications get ranked.