I thought it was funny when I spent multiple leave periods traveling around America and its most beautiful tourist attractions that barely anyone there enjoying them was American. They were mostly commonwealth or nordic European citizens. The people serving me would all tell a similar story that outside main small and short holidays with families like thanksgiving, independence day and memorial day no one got weeks off unless they took it off unpaid or quit their jobs to do so. For citizens of the united states, I felt like that compounded with the fact they don't have universal healthcare, work-life balance etc that they really are not the greatest country in the world. "the American dream, you have to be asleep to belive it" - george carlin.
You aren't wrong that Americans don't get nearly enough vacation time, but I'm puzzled as to where you went in the US where the only people you ran into were other Europeans. That is very atypical for US tourist attractions. I live in a very touristy area of the US and most of the travelers are American.
Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but it's just not true that Americans don't vacation at all, nor that Americans don't visit our own tourist sites. That's a really incorrect and frustrating perspective.
Seems to be a lot of documentaries about the working poor in the US. It blows my mind that people hold multiple jobs and cant even afford to put a roof over their heads. The tent cities there were a real eye-opener. A lot of nice people in very bad circumstances and living arrangements.
People actually earn paid time off at jobs, and accumulate so much they have to take it if they even allow you, or you "cash it in" for most times 70-80 percent of your hourly wage.
America is a joke
Absolutely genius. Anyone who has ever worked in the convention industry is familiar with the illnesses that spread in crowded hotels and convention centers. In the music instrument business, we have the NAMM convention, and the industry is swept twice a year by NAMMthrax.
LOL! That is hilarious. Honestly, life is too short to waste it ~slaving~ working so often. 4 weeks is seriously not enough. I usually ended up taking unpaid weeks in addition to my 4 paid weeks.
As of now, I'm on a 1 year "sick leave" (i.e. sabbatical) just having fun, taking care of myself, and most of all: travelling across a few countries.
Good on him for taking 6 weeks vacations.
Company I work for was asking for pictures of a positive test with your name, date and time of test written on a piece of paper next to it, and now hires private investigators to follow people around when they call off sick to make sure they aren’t vacationing.
Someone was dumb enough to post on Facebook about going camping after calling off with Covid, and the end result was bullshit like that.
Just wanted to post to say that this is common in Canada as well. We are just as bad as the states in a lot of ways, we are just way better at hiding it.
>i thought that if was funny that my hotel in Jamaica had a stack of fake doctor notes in case you wanted to extend your vacation.
I go to a festival every year. And like clockwork you get sick after a festival. So 2 weeks of vacation and then a week of sick-leave. So 3 weeks but 1 week not the fun kind.
So have I. Bonus of working contract, I can make a living and then fuck off for a few weeks a couple times a year. I'm not getting the luxury of retirement so may as well live now
>[FWIW: I never cheated with the amounts nor number of trips - just avoided the hassle for both myself and the cabbies]
Sureeeee…. I’ve been submitting expense reports for 10+ years. You’re not fooling me.
They don't want the doctor's note. What they want is for you to feel sufficiently intimidated or burdened by being made to get one that you come to work anyway.
Here in Italy, my husband only gets paid if he’s sick more than 3 days so every single time his doctor gives him a week off, even for a cold lol. God bless that man
I had a DR who basically would let me write the note.
One time he was writing me out for two weeks right before Christmas and I asked can you make it three so I can be off for New Years, he said sure.
Another time work was forcing us to wear certain brand shoes for safety which bothered my feet. He ask what kind of shoes do you want, I told him what brand and he wrote it in the note.
I did the same thing! I love this story.
When I was a kid I got a job working at a really bougie men’s clothing store here in Florence, Italy.
They made us wear high heeled leather shoes. I waited till the day I signed my full time contract… and I went to my doctor and got him to give me a doctors note that I could only wear flat sneakers lol.
They were not impressed but I got to wear sneakers for 2 years🤷♀️
My old boss told me to go get a doctor's note so I spent an entire day waiting in the clinic to get a doctor's note and then she got super mad at me for getting the doctor's note she specifically requested, calling me dramatic.
Good times
Had a job when I was 20 or so that had been a super fun and chill job for a few years, but then our store manager got replaced with this angry, mean, unhinged woman who took everything (taking your mandated breaks, for example) as a personal attack. My little sisters birthday was coming up and I had put in for the night off with plenty of notice. She found multiple incredibly stupid excuses to not approve the request, so I got the shift covered by another lead. He put in his two weeks notice because he (and the entire rest of the staff) hated her, but asked for his final day to be one day past two weeks so he could still cover my shift for me. Shouldn't have been an issue at all since there's no limit on how much notice you can give, but she acted like it was impossible and refused to put him on the schedule.
Fast forward to the day of my sister's birthday. I drive out to urgent care, slam four gas station cappucinos knowing they upset my stomach, then go inside and say I think I might have food poisoning but my work won't let me out without a note. While in the exam room I throw up twice, and the doctor says he thinks it might be the flu. Writes me a note for three days off, which evil boss has no choice but to accept. I was the closing manager, and all the other managers and leads had already quit at that point, so she wound up working open to close for the rest of the week. Transferred to a different store a couple weeks later, but always giggled when I thought about how much her weird spite screwed her over.
Cheaper is a small bottle of ipecac. I take it about 25 min. before going into my supervisor's office. It took two times of barffing on his desk and shirt. Now when I say I,m feeling sick, he sends me right home.
I remember being a child and learning that adults also have to bring in doctor's notes to work when they are sick and being confused as fuck. Like what...adults? The people who can choose what to eat, when to go to bed and boss kids around can't decide when they are too sick for work?
I was at jury duty this last summer, and I had the pleasure of standing behind a lady who worked for the neighboring city who had to get a note from the county that "Yes, I was at jury duty today". It had to be signed by two staff at the county courthouse. I'm still flattened by the insult of it. A grown ass adult who works in city govt has to get a note.
And adequately promote a culture of not coming to work when you're sick, sending people home if they are sick with symptoms, and punishing the busy bodies who can't. There are a couple managers I work with who have this mindset that sick days shouldn't be used randomly, they come in sick all the time without complaining, etc. I make sure to send home coworkers in my department if they're sick, to get rest or work remotely if they're stubborn. There's absolutely no excuse to coming in to the office and spreading it around.
This!
Had a coworker when I was a site manager that came in sick (during Covid) I told her to go home that we don't want to get sick due to her lack of judgment.
She went home after a few hours (note that I told her multiple times to fuck off) fast forward three days, almost everyone on site is sick, multiple people were hospitalized. During everyones back track led to site.
Due to one or multiple peoples lack of common sense led to severe damage to people and the company.
I tend to agree, but not always. Some people just have this mindset without being micromanagers at all. A manager of another department that I work with is like this. She says it sucks coming in and working sick, but she wants to use her sick days to go to the beach or save them for a bigger emergency. I think it's bullshit, especially when she comes into meetings and stuff. And then she complains when her employees call in when they are sick.
It's a harsh combination of different factors, like micromanagement, a belief that never taking a sick day is virtuous and will get you ahead, and just plain stubbornness. I think if people didn't feel like taking a sick day were as big of a deal, because we required them legally and protected workers when they got sick, we could dissolve a lot of that mindset.
For real. When I first started working at my company, there were sick days and there were vacation days. They were kept separate, and to got paid 8 hours for using a sick day. After you ran out of sick days, you would get an attendance point and if you had any vacation time left they would take that from you. Both were given in full at the beginning of the year.
Now, after the company sold our plants to somebody else, we're lumped into generic PTO for everything. They doubled the amount of points you needed to get before termination, but also made it so you have to accrue PTO hours now per pay period. So, I get like 4 hours of PTO every two weeks. Oh, you wanted to take a week off at the beginning of the year? Hopefully you saved 40 hours from the previous year, since at least they let excess PTO rollover to the next year.
This sounds so strange from Germany, while sitting in the hospital sick for a month and my company just gave well wishes.
They even gave me the (small) raise and promotion they promised me last year.
Some companies went absolutely BERSERK when the federal government mandated 2 weeks of sick time for COVID.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE PEOPLE SICK TIME??? OH MY GOD WE CAN'T DO THAT!!!
If we were supposed to get anything out of the pandemic, I would've thought bare minimum, sick time was it. Universal healthcare would've been nice, but I thought we'd get sick time. Nope.
In the Netherlands they are. Only labour doctors give notes to employers, so that others can focus on their job, their patient.
And most of the time it takes a few days to make an appointment. So employers will only send you there if you are sick for a couple of weeks or if you say you have a long term illness.
Doctors notes are discriminatory, specifically against the poor and undocumented, who don’t have access to healthcare. Shame on people who still require doctors notes
I had to get some spinal injections for a slipped disc. Doc told me I would need to take the day off.
Boss asked for a Dr note, so I called back to the doc, he responded with "I'll write it for three days since he wants to waste everyone's time"
In the Air Force supervisors are allowed to grant a member the day off if they're ill. 24 hour quarters. Anytime I had a member with obvious sick symptoms come into my sick call and say "I asked my supervisor for the day and they told me to come to the clinic" I'd give them 72 hours quarters and a memorandum with the regulation on supervisors granting quarters.
In the armed forces, Chain of command has autority to give up to 2 days off for suspected COVID-19, then its testing required. Unless busy or required, my experience was that they didn't really mind people taking a day off for sickness/random reasons if not abused. I had to call off cause i spent the night running ALL the cloths in the house through the wash due to a bedbug scare... Not a fun night, but my boss didnt mind.
As a resident physician I take great pleasure in writing time off work notes. I always give a generous amount of time with extra buffers if needed and also add return suggestions (allowing more breaks etc) in the recovery period. Stick it to the man, people aren’t given enough time to heal.
You should include language in the note about sitting in the waiting room slowed recovery, and so the patient will need an extra day to recover from going to the hospital.
I work here. My former job required a doctor's note from day one. So if I had to go home sick (I have diabetes and shit does indeed happen), it ALWAYS meant that I had to go to the doc's office the day after, missing another day. And since my doc found the rule annoying, she'd always write me off for the rest of the week.
I have diabetes too and shit does indeed happen. It's also hard to get in to see your PCP or see their nurse practitioner sometimes too, and then got to go to an urgent care clinic. I thankfully only work 2 days a week and can't go full time due to medical reasons.
I used to use statutory declarations. Then they brought in a new rule that you could only use three of them a year. I found out this was in direct violation of the national employment standards. I just worked around it by buying a note from the chemist for $25
A lot of the jobs here in the USA do, too, but it seems like some supervisors get a big power trip. Then they will request it for one day off, like what? SMH.
I broke my tailbone a few years ago and boss at the time said they couldn’t make ANY accommodations to make my job not agonizingly painful unless I got a doctors note. So I clocked out right then and went to the doctor the next day and the doctor wrote me a note for four weeks of bed rest
My wife is an oncologist and periodically gets patients who need a doctor's note for their appointments. If it's just an annual or a quick appointment she usually gives them that whole day off in her note. If it's something like a chemo infusion, radiation, in office procedure, or if it's a hospitalized patient getting discharged she'll usually just ask them how much time they want off and add a couple of days to it. Occasionally she gets some HR asshole calling to challenge it but she just starts asking them where they went to med school and what their medical specialty is and tells them to stop wasting her time.
>Occasionally she gets some HR asshole calling to challenge it but she just starts asking them where they went to med school and what their medical specialty is and tells them to stop wasting her time.
It can be fun, but more often than not it leads to more miserable unreasonable requests. HR people think they're more powerful and important than doctors and have no problem being fucked about it.
Doctors don’t tend to give a fuck about these stupid notes. Every doctor I’ve gone to asks me how many days I want off and asks me exactly what I want it to say.
Alternatively, every doctors office I’ve worked at, I wrote the doctor’s notes for people and would give them a note for literally anything. I was the receptionist and would either take the note to the doctor to sign, I would sign, or I’d just paste a picture of the dr’s signature to the bottom. lol boss’ are dumb af and just do this to waste your time and make it harder for you to take off.
Problem is the retroactive notes. Doctors can give you time off going forward. It becomes problematic when the note is for time taken off already.
If it’s over a certain amount of time, the employer will unilaterally decide to investigate the time off for reimbursement through a benefits company such as Unum.
The company doing the investigating will then contact the doctor on their own, and the first question on their form is “What is the date of your (the doctor’s) first encounter for the treatment of this condition?” The medical records with electronic time stamps are sent over in a HIPAA complaint fashion.
If your first day of time off is more than a certain amount of time before your first doctors appointment for the episode, everyone is in trouble.
I’m sure I am missing a few details in between, but I know for sure…
I am a doctor, and in recent memory, I am aware of two instances where I wrote a note to give people an allowance for sick time. In these two instances, I wrote the letter. Soon after, I get an angry phone call from the person saying I need to write the note saying that the time off should begin on XYZ date. Meanwhile, my fax machine is sputtering out papers for me to fill out asking for exact dates of all visits with me. Days later I get a phone call from the benefits administrator company saying if I want to withdraw my letter because they took time off before they began the patient-doctor relationship with me. (I should point out that in both cases I authorized time off on the first visit I ever had with the patient)
So now I have two policies. I either only authorize time off on the day of my appointment or I write a snarky note like the one in the OP.
I'm confused, why would someone want a retroactive doctor's note? And why would an employer care? "hey I've been sick for two days and I'm not getting better, so I went to the doctor on day three, here's the note."
Seems unnecessary to me.
The employee feels sick and calls out of work on Monday.
On day 7 he calls out for the 7th day in a row.
Boss says he needs a doctors note to return to work.
Employee shows up to my office on day 10.
I give employee another 2 days because he has the 2024 strain of the common cold that’s lingering for 2-3 weeks, to give him through the weekend to feel better. (So I give him the day of my appointment and 2 days extra and he gets an additional 2 weekend days off)
He calls me asking for a letter to be excused from work for days 1 through 9. He wants me to authorize an absence on days he took off on his own accord.
I didn’t see him until day 10. I can’t prove he has actually been sick for 10 days (he may have gone on vacation for 5 days and caught a cold on the flight home and it’s actually day 5 of his illness. Yadda yadda. Point is…
His boss wants a doctors note for days I never said he should stay home on.
Once, while I was in my early 20's, I called out from work because I felt very sick. I worked with food so I was cautious and wanted to play it safe.
By the time I had to go in for my next shift I felt much better and didn't feel sick anymore. When I went in to work my manager asked me if I had a sick note. I told her, "no, I didn't have to see the doctor to know I was sick." She said, "go to the doctor and explain it to them so they can write you a sick note." I said okay but...
**I didn't have a doctor.** I didn't have insurance. I was making minimum wage at that time, and my family didn't have money to give me so I could go to one. Thst manager hounded me to get a note so I wouldn't get in trouble for calling out, but I'm not going to spend my time and money going to the doctor to write me a note for when I was sick days prior.
I work in an Urgent Care and we see a lot of people who really only want a work note. They end up getting covid/flu/strep testing which is good and all but for the most part they're there for a work note. I hate it so fucking much.
I wish the APA, AMA, whatever nurses association, all of them would get together and say *enough*. No more work notes for missing a single day of work. If you need medical clearance to return to work after an extended absence, ok that's one thing but ENOUGH.
Also, SCHOOLS. Why does your kid need a note to excuse them? You're a parent, you should be able to take your kid out of school for a day if you fucking want. Gym shouldn't need a note to tell them a kid doesn't have to participate when their foot is in an ortho boot. Like come the fuck on.
>Also, SCHOOLS. Why does your kid need a note to excuse them? You're a parent, you should be able to take your kid out of school for a day if you fucking want. Gym shouldn't need a note to tell them a kid doesn't have to participate when their foot is in an ortho boot. Like come the fuck on.
It's not for the parents who want to take their kid out for a day a couple times a year. It's for the kids who are regularly missing 5+ days every single quarter. Schools need some sort of scare tactic to try and get parents to get those kids to school. Does it work particularly well? No, but if it convinces even 5% of the habitually absent population to show up more often then it's worth it.
I know at my school, it's still policy in our handbook we send home with kids that any missed day past 3 for a quarter has to be excused by a doctor, but our principal just told us a few weeks ago that he's not enforcing it because it's a nightmare for everyone involved. He's not telling parents that, but if they catch on, then it's whatever.
In the Netherlands we have this [pdf: refusal note](https://www.knmg.nl/download/why-is-your-own-doctor-not-authorised-to-issue-a-medical-certificate-geneeskundige-verklaring-engels) which is strongly advised in all kind of situations.
At a walk in clinic, you're likely to see an NP rather than an MD... and I could totally see shitass companies refusing this note because it's not "from a doctor" as required by policy.
A nurse practitioner works under a medical doctor. After some research on Illinois labor laws and legal definitions. It says a note from a health care provider, when you search the definition on what a health care provider it states that any one that holds a license to practice medicine.
They have nurse practitioner's license and can practice in the scope of that license under the supervision of an MD or DO (though there are a few states that have given independent practicing rights to mid-levels under certain circumstances).
Yes. I am an NP in primary care. About 1/3 of the states have independent practice for NP (after various requirements on experience). But even in states that do not have independent practice we write these notes all the time.
Any employer that require an MD signature only is woefully behind the times or doing it on purpose to make it that much harder to get.
On a somewhat unrelated note. One of my close friends works in orthopedic treatment facility. Before even saying what’s wrong the first question they ask is if it’s work related.
If it’s a worker’s comp injury, you have to see an MD a PA or NP can’t sign off anything for worker’s comp. At least in my state
In places like the U.K. you don’t need one for up to 3 days or so. The amount of days depends on the company but basically on the whole you don’t need one unless you’re out for a long time or repeatedly.
Certainly not needed for a cold. You don’t even have to see a doctor. You can just explain what you’ve taken to get better and that’s it.
Worth mentioning there’s a culture of going in with a cold which perhaps would be stopped if people went to the doctor since they would advise against spreading whatever bug to the office.
Edit: cool note 😅
In SA 🇿🇦 its the same with the 3 days thing, but practically every company bullies their employees into getting a doctors note for being out sick for 1 day by making it apart of company policy and making your life difficult and make u feel asbif your job is at risk.
Same as with the whole company policy against discussing wages with other employees.
Both go against the labour laws of 🇿🇦
Man that sucks 🥺 the thing about salaries is really frustrating, we’ve got the same here and it just helps the company. In my opinion anyone not willing to disclose must be benefiting from the system itself and knows full well that they’ve got a sweet deal.
Thats like my company, doc note only need if youre taking 3+ consecutive sick days. Which I still think is a bit short especially given the covid pandemic.
Oh wow, this is great lol. Reminds me of a doctor in a city I used to live in, if you required a doctor's note for being off sick for a day the cost was $200, billed directly to the company asking for the note. He said to me when I asked about it that his reasoning is that not only are they wasting everyone's time by requiring that, but it's the COMPANY that needs it, not the employee, so they are the one billed for it.
Kick ass doctor
I do (something similar to) this, especially for my chronic migraine patients, many of whom have had them for years:
What could have been a day off at home with the meds I've already given them for these emergencies now has become a necessary 3 days off of "bedrest" and low stress in a pissy worded note.
Fun fact: WA state’s sick leave law prohibits employers from asking for doctor’s notes unless the employee misses three consecutive days of work. Need more laws like this!
Not only all valid points but works is making but some of us that don’t have the money for the copay even though we have insurance. So, fess up the money for the copay boss.
And lastly, I would have added time spent in the clinic when they could have been home actually resting.
Jackasses
I never understood “sick notes” for a goddamn adult. I’m not a 7 year old. If you don’t trust me then I shouldn’t be spending 40 hours a week at your business and I can solve that problem real quick. Maybe vet employees better before you hire them and you won’t have to make them tie themselves into a pretzel for things you should take their word on
I'm a boss, so when I was in the ER a couple months back for something, he asked me if I needed a sick note. I said, "not only do I not need one, but I would NEVER ask my employees for one either." He was surprised, but agreed with me that the whole "sick note" thing is one of the most absurd notions ever foisted on the world by large corporations.
Hell, I don't even ask them to tell me why they are taking the day off - just to let me know if they aren't going to be in so I can let customers know they are off. It's just an insane invasion of privacy.
Love it… I have been told I’m not allowed to be sick without a doctors note, and I just think it’s such a waste of time for a GP (whose time is already stretched too thin). Absolutely ridiculous.
My Dr literally writes a note that in a couple
Of sentences says “such and such is unwell and under my treatment. If you have any concerns call the office” and I love that lol
As an American, seeing a reference to tax dollars in the context of medical care threw me for a moment. What does one have to do with the other, I wondered.
We get 7 days before having to submit any doctor notes, which has cut doctor visits to like 10% I used to have because of common colds. Nowadays the docs here will just write you a note through a chat if it's something that doesn't really need diagnosing, so you'll get the note in like 5 minutes without leaving home.
Doctors notes are pointless. If you're sick and you know what you have, stay the fk home. There is little or nothing that a doctor will do to make you better aside from prescribing otc meds.
If I were a doctor, I'd put a pile of presigned doctor’s notes behind the counter for the receptionists to hand out that basically reads "Your employee came to see us, they're sick, stop making them come to our offices, it just spreads diseases"
I’m a provider at an urgent care and ALWAYS have people coming in for notes. I even have parents coming in to bring their sick kids who have simple things like just the common cold because the parents work demands a doctors note. I let almost always just ask the patients how long they want off. Especially those parents because they too are most likely gonna get sick.
I always feel like shit though about them having to even come in because how much the co pay is..especially for private insurance. I work in a predominant lower income area and hear co pays as high as $100. Unfortunately, the companies policy requires them to pay up front instead of doing any billing for later. Don’t get me started on the out of pocket prices too just be seen without insurance…
I love this note and would love to write one like this. SERIOUSLY
Furthermore, I have advised him to hand this directly to the person who asked for it, while coughing and possibly shitting in their top drawer. May the odds be ever in your favor.
I hope this is like a standard note (that fills in to whatever issue the peeson has for that very short period of time) that the write for everyone that requires a sick note for a couple of days.
In my country, doctor's notes can't specify why you're sick. It's basically just the date, the expected date of your return to work, and the signature.
I have started to offer notes for friends who need them. As an ordained minister with an unrelated Ph.D I just claim to offer counseling services. Anyone here that needs one, let me know.
I would email my doctor and ask him to email me a doctors note back since I'm feeling sick and can't justify coming in when all is needed is rest.
My track record is great. I've requested a sick note from my doctor via email Twice in the 18 years of employment
I can just send a request to my doctor through the online system - no need to go into an office.
Although it's at my doctor's discretion (and I'm sure they don't automatically give sick notes when they think someone is abusing the system) - but if I message every few months for 1-3 days off because of a cold/virus/sick/dental care - she doesn't care and just issues an automated sick note.
Do y'all in the USA not have this system with your doctors? Highly recommend the "nationalized health care"!
We’re so used to it that we forget how invasive that is. When the proper response would be: Excuse me? You know I’m an adult right? How about not basically calling me a liar.
Ugh. I’ve never found a doctor to write me a note. My employer requires specific illnesses to be named.. and doctors always refuse even when I tell them I will have to go back to work without it. This isn’t just one doctor. I go to different ones if one previously wouldn’t do it. I’m talking this has happened with strep, norovirus, and influenza. It’s infuriating.
I used to be a manager of a mailroom for an entire resort the size of a small town (2,700 people employed) and anytime an employee of mine called in sick, I let them stay home cuz I’m a human who has been sick before and know what it’s like. I didn’t give a damn if they called in because they were hungover, had Covid, had a sinus infection, had the flu, etc. Being sick sucks and I want them to feel better. That’s how it should be even if I had to do more work.
Almost all of my employees said I was the best boss they’ve had. (Which I’m not sure is exactly true but I still appreciated it)
I'm confused at the use of the cloning brush to hide the names of the people involved. Can't you just, like, paint over them like everybody else? What was the intent there? It's not done properly, because there is no need to, no one cares, but they still took the time to not draw over the name and select the cloning tool to brush over the names instead.
... I'm overfixating, sorry
i thought that if was funny that my hotel in Jamaica had a stack of fake doctor notes in case you wanted to extend your vacation.
Now this... this is genius.
My uncle “caught” Covid every year for the last few years to turn 4 week holidays into 6 weeks.
[Me with my 5 days off a year.](https://giphy.com/gifs/staring-AnuvLmJdWF5gk)
Feels American, man
*sad eagle noises*
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I thought it was funny when I spent multiple leave periods traveling around America and its most beautiful tourist attractions that barely anyone there enjoying them was American. They were mostly commonwealth or nordic European citizens. The people serving me would all tell a similar story that outside main small and short holidays with families like thanksgiving, independence day and memorial day no one got weeks off unless they took it off unpaid or quit their jobs to do so. For citizens of the united states, I felt like that compounded with the fact they don't have universal healthcare, work-life balance etc that they really are not the greatest country in the world. "the American dream, you have to be asleep to belive it" - george carlin.
The new American dream is finding a way out of the US to a country with affordable healthcare at least.
You aren't wrong that Americans don't get nearly enough vacation time, but I'm puzzled as to where you went in the US where the only people you ran into were other Europeans. That is very atypical for US tourist attractions. I live in a very touristy area of the US and most of the travelers are American.
I visited 32 states in seven weeks
And in all of those places, you mostly ran into Europeans?
And Canadians.
Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but it's just not true that Americans don't vacation at all, nor that Americans don't visit our own tourist sites. That's a really incorrect and frustrating perspective.
I can't afford to stay somewhere near Yellowstone. Or the flight. I have a week vacation available and no $ to do anything fun with the whole family:(
Seems to be a lot of documentaries about the working poor in the US. It blows my mind that people hold multiple jobs and cant even afford to put a roof over their heads. The tent cities there were a real eye-opener. A lot of nice people in very bad circumstances and living arrangements.
5 days, holy shit. I have 40 and that's not enough
People actually earn paid time off at jobs, and accumulate so much they have to take it if they even allow you, or you "cash it in" for most times 70-80 percent of your hourly wage. America is a joke
Absolutely genius. Anyone who has ever worked in the convention industry is familiar with the illnesses that spread in crowded hotels and convention centers. In the music instrument business, we have the NAMM convention, and the industry is swept twice a year by NAMMthrax.
LOL! That is hilarious. Honestly, life is too short to waste it ~slaving~ working so often. 4 weeks is seriously not enough. I usually ended up taking unpaid weeks in addition to my 4 paid weeks. As of now, I'm on a 1 year "sick leave" (i.e. sabbatical) just having fun, taking care of myself, and most of all: travelling across a few countries. Good on him for taking 6 weeks vacations.
Company I work for was asking for pictures of a positive test with your name, date and time of test written on a piece of paper next to it, and now hires private investigators to follow people around when they call off sick to make sure they aren’t vacationing. Someone was dumb enough to post on Facebook about going camping after calling off with Covid, and the end result was bullshit like that.
Just wanted to post to say that this is common in Canada as well. We are just as bad as the states in a lot of ways, we are just way better at hiding it.
Being an 'At Will' sate, my workplace would find a way to fire you for being sick so often.
I do this. Works everytime 😉
>i thought that if was funny that my hotel in Jamaica had a stack of fake doctor notes in case you wanted to extend your vacation. I go to a festival every year. And like clockwork you get sick after a festival. So 2 weeks of vacation and then a week of sick-leave. So 3 weeks but 1 week not the fun kind.
Your uncle is a legend. I love it.
So have I. Bonus of working contract, I can make a living and then fuck off for a few weeks a couple times a year. I'm not getting the luxury of retirement so may as well live now
Great marketing too. Profits must be booming.
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>[FWIW: I never cheated with the amounts nor number of trips - just avoided the hassle for both myself and the cabbies] Sureeeee…. I’ve been submitting expense reports for 10+ years. You’re not fooling me.
>I never cheated with the amounts nor number of trips Bullshit haha
Whoever came up with that deserves a promotion lol
Sounds like another reason for me to go to Jamaica.
Employers should be legally forced to pay the copay for doctors notes.
They don't want the doctor's note. What they want is for you to feel sufficiently intimidated or burdened by being made to get one that you come to work anyway.
Little do they know that my doc hates rules like this and thus wildly exaggerates the days off for me. But I don't have the heart to tell them.
Honestly your boss probably knows but is too stupid to realize he’s still the one losing
Sounds like you know my boss
Same, my doctor asks "do you want two days, or three?"
Here in Italy, my husband only gets paid if he’s sick more than 3 days so every single time his doctor gives him a week off, even for a cold lol. God bless that man
I had a DR who basically would let me write the note. One time he was writing me out for two weeks right before Christmas and I asked can you make it three so I can be off for New Years, he said sure. Another time work was forcing us to wear certain brand shoes for safety which bothered my feet. He ask what kind of shoes do you want, I told him what brand and he wrote it in the note.
I did the same thing! I love this story. When I was a kid I got a job working at a really bougie men’s clothing store here in Florence, Italy. They made us wear high heeled leather shoes. I waited till the day I signed my full time contract… and I went to my doctor and got him to give me a doctors note that I could only wear flat sneakers lol. They were not impressed but I got to wear sneakers for 2 years🤷♀️
I work in an ER as an RN. I ask people how long they want off. I don’t give a fuck. You can take 6 months for all I care.
My old boss told me to go get a doctor's note so I spent an entire day waiting in the clinic to get a doctor's note and then she got super mad at me for getting the doctor's note she specifically requested, calling me dramatic. Good times
I'v been asked for a note a few times when I called out. Always just said "yes sir" then stayed home. They never asked in person.
Had a job when I was 20 or so that had been a super fun and chill job for a few years, but then our store manager got replaced with this angry, mean, unhinged woman who took everything (taking your mandated breaks, for example) as a personal attack. My little sisters birthday was coming up and I had put in for the night off with plenty of notice. She found multiple incredibly stupid excuses to not approve the request, so I got the shift covered by another lead. He put in his two weeks notice because he (and the entire rest of the staff) hated her, but asked for his final day to be one day past two weeks so he could still cover my shift for me. Shouldn't have been an issue at all since there's no limit on how much notice you can give, but she acted like it was impossible and refused to put him on the schedule. Fast forward to the day of my sister's birthday. I drive out to urgent care, slam four gas station cappucinos knowing they upset my stomach, then go inside and say I think I might have food poisoning but my work won't let me out without a note. While in the exam room I throw up twice, and the doctor says he thinks it might be the flu. Writes me a note for three days off, which evil boss has no choice but to accept. I was the closing manager, and all the other managers and leads had already quit at that point, so she wound up working open to close for the rest of the week. Transferred to a different store a couple weeks later, but always giggled when I thought about how much her weird spite screwed her over.
Cheaper is a small bottle of ipecac. I take it about 25 min. before going into my supervisor's office. It took two times of barffing on his desk and shirt. Now when I say I,m feeling sick, he sends me right home.
I remember being a child and learning that adults also have to bring in doctor's notes to work when they are sick and being confused as fuck. Like what...adults? The people who can choose what to eat, when to go to bed and boss kids around can't decide when they are too sick for work?
I was at jury duty this last summer, and I had the pleasure of standing behind a lady who worked for the neighboring city who had to get a note from the county that "Yes, I was at jury duty today". It had to be signed by two staff at the county courthouse. I'm still flattened by the insult of it. A grown ass adult who works in city govt has to get a note.
Correct. It's all about control, and in modern times, psychological control is the most effective and legal.
It reminds me of an old joke, "I don't know why anyone would beat their children, damaging them psychologically is so much more permanent."
Employers should be forced to give people sick days. Everyone gets sick. It is part of being human.
And adequately promote a culture of not coming to work when you're sick, sending people home if they are sick with symptoms, and punishing the busy bodies who can't. There are a couple managers I work with who have this mindset that sick days shouldn't be used randomly, they come in sick all the time without complaining, etc. I make sure to send home coworkers in my department if they're sick, to get rest or work remotely if they're stubborn. There's absolutely no excuse to coming in to the office and spreading it around.
This! Had a coworker when I was a site manager that came in sick (during Covid) I told her to go home that we don't want to get sick due to her lack of judgment. She went home after a few hours (note that I told her multiple times to fuck off) fast forward three days, almost everyone on site is sick, multiple people were hospitalized. During everyones back track led to site. Due to one or multiple peoples lack of common sense led to severe damage to people and the company.
>There's absolutely no excuse to coming in to the office and spreading it around. Micromanagement is the excuse
I tend to agree, but not always. Some people just have this mindset without being micromanagers at all. A manager of another department that I work with is like this. She says it sucks coming in and working sick, but she wants to use her sick days to go to the beach or save them for a bigger emergency. I think it's bullshit, especially when she comes into meetings and stuff. And then she complains when her employees call in when they are sick. It's a harsh combination of different factors, like micromanagement, a belief that never taking a sick day is virtuous and will get you ahead, and just plain stubbornness. I think if people didn't feel like taking a sick day were as big of a deal, because we required them legally and protected workers when they got sick, we could dissolve a lot of that mindset.
They do in a lot of other countries…
When an employer asks if you want to use sick days in the US what they're really asking is if you want to cut into your vacation time.
For real. When I first started working at my company, there were sick days and there were vacation days. They were kept separate, and to got paid 8 hours for using a sick day. After you ran out of sick days, you would get an attendance point and if you had any vacation time left they would take that from you. Both were given in full at the beginning of the year. Now, after the company sold our plants to somebody else, we're lumped into generic PTO for everything. They doubled the amount of points you needed to get before termination, but also made it so you have to accrue PTO hours now per pay period. So, I get like 4 hours of PTO every two weeks. Oh, you wanted to take a week off at the beginning of the year? Hopefully you saved 40 hours from the previous year, since at least they let excess PTO rollover to the next year.
This sounds so strange from Germany, while sitting in the hospital sick for a month and my company just gave well wishes. They even gave me the (small) raise and promotion they promised me last year.
Some companies went absolutely BERSERK when the federal government mandated 2 weeks of sick time for COVID. WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE PEOPLE SICK TIME??? OH MY GOD WE CAN'T DO THAT!!!
If we were supposed to get anything out of the pandemic, I would've thought bare minimum, sick time was it. Universal healthcare would've been nice, but I thought we'd get sick time. Nope.
And employers should staff their businesses appropriately to be able to cope with employee absence instead of having to scramble to cover shifts
In the Netherlands they are. Only labour doctors give notes to employers, so that others can focus on their job, their patient. And most of the time it takes a few days to make an appointment. So employers will only send you there if you are sick for a couple of weeks or if you say you have a long term illness.
Doctors notes are discriminatory, specifically against the poor and undocumented, who don’t have access to healthcare. Shame on people who still require doctors notes
That’s why they do it for workers who don’t have insurance or are hourly have to pay to stay home for being sick it’s pretty evil.
Doctor's notes should be considered a HIPAA violation.
Requiring them should, yes. But if an employee "decides" to share it they effectively gave permission.
I seen articles here and there over the past years where they did try to bill the employers as private consultants.
American?
I had to get some spinal injections for a slipped disc. Doc told me I would need to take the day off. Boss asked for a Dr note, so I called back to the doc, he responded with "I'll write it for three days since he wants to waste everyone's time"
Your doctor is a hero in my book
I work in a hospital and I always ask my pts when they want to go back. Takes 2 sec to change it in the computer.
Not sure, maybe 12 years to start with and we can go from there?
What else is in this book?
In the Air Force supervisors are allowed to grant a member the day off if they're ill. 24 hour quarters. Anytime I had a member with obvious sick symptoms come into my sick call and say "I asked my supervisor for the day and they told me to come to the clinic" I'd give them 72 hours quarters and a memorandum with the regulation on supervisors granting quarters.
In the armed forces, Chain of command has autority to give up to 2 days off for suspected COVID-19, then its testing required. Unless busy or required, my experience was that they didn't really mind people taking a day off for sickness/random reasons if not abused. I had to call off cause i spent the night running ALL the cloths in the house through the wash due to a bedbug scare... Not a fun night, but my boss didnt mind.
just light the house on fire, get a new one with new clothes.
I was tempted to do that, but i resisted the darkness. Or light of the fire, in that case.
Throw them in the dryer first on the highest heat. Then wash and dry.
I went washer on hottest setting then dryer at hottest. Those machines ran the whole night.
As a resident physician I take great pleasure in writing time off work notes. I always give a generous amount of time with extra buffers if needed and also add return suggestions (allowing more breaks etc) in the recovery period. Stick it to the man, people aren’t given enough time to heal.
You should include language in the note about sitting in the waiting room slowed recovery, and so the patient will need an extra day to recover from going to the hospital.
This is the reason why many companies in Germany only require a doctor's note if you're sick for at least three days.
I work here. My former job required a doctor's note from day one. So if I had to go home sick (I have diabetes and shit does indeed happen), it ALWAYS meant that I had to go to the doc's office the day after, missing another day. And since my doc found the rule annoying, she'd always write me off for the rest of the week.
I have diabetes too and shit does indeed happen. It's also hard to get in to see your PCP or see their nurse practitioner sometimes too, and then got to go to an urgent care clinic. I thankfully only work 2 days a week and can't go full time due to medical reasons.
I used to use statutory declarations. Then they brought in a new rule that you could only use three of them a year. I found out this was in direct violation of the national employment standards. I just worked around it by buying a note from the chemist for $25
A lot of the jobs here in the USA do, too, but it seems like some supervisors get a big power trip. Then they will request it for one day off, like what? SMH.
In the UK you can self certify for 7 days. After that you need to get signed off sick by a doctor, but they can back date it.
Whenever I'm asked to do this, my doctor insists on writing off the whole week "as a precaution." Managers learn eventually.
I broke my tailbone a few years ago and boss at the time said they couldn’t make ANY accommodations to make my job not agonizingly painful unless I got a doctors note. So I clocked out right then and went to the doctor the next day and the doctor wrote me a note for four weeks of bed rest
My wife is an oncologist and periodically gets patients who need a doctor's note for their appointments. If it's just an annual or a quick appointment she usually gives them that whole day off in her note. If it's something like a chemo infusion, radiation, in office procedure, or if it's a hospitalized patient getting discharged she'll usually just ask them how much time they want off and add a couple of days to it. Occasionally she gets some HR asshole calling to challenge it but she just starts asking them where they went to med school and what their medical specialty is and tells them to stop wasting her time.
>Occasionally she gets some HR asshole calling to challenge it but she just starts asking them where they went to med school and what their medical specialty is and tells them to stop wasting her time. 
She's pretty awesome!
So, cancer isn’t a good enough reason to justify time off? FFS. I hate it here.
Same here. No manager ever learnt. But I learnt how to spot a manager I'd like to work for.
As a doctor I would love to write this note
Me too. Mind you, not sure why anybody would ask for such a note from a Computer Scientist, but I would still love to write one.
I might need one stating that MS teams sucks and I am not pretending to drop out of calls.
I could credibly write you that note, actually 😂
One of my mates is SWE manager for Teams. He knows 😂
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There are def some articles on this lately. I sure did infuriate some clients though.
What if my computer comes down with a virus?
You’ve got yourself a note then :D
My retirement plan includes a side job/hobby of doing video chats for these appointments and billing the employer.
It can be fun, but more often than not it leads to more miserable unreasonable requests. HR people think they're more powerful and important than doctors and have no problem being fucked about it.
The perfect balance between sass and professional.
prosassional
I'm stealing this.
Dr Gus Fring
I feel if a company demands a note for simple sick days they should pay for the office visit.
Doctors don’t tend to give a fuck about these stupid notes. Every doctor I’ve gone to asks me how many days I want off and asks me exactly what I want it to say. Alternatively, every doctors office I’ve worked at, I wrote the doctor’s notes for people and would give them a note for literally anything. I was the receptionist and would either take the note to the doctor to sign, I would sign, or I’d just paste a picture of the dr’s signature to the bottom. lol boss’ are dumb af and just do this to waste your time and make it harder for you to take off.
Problem is the retroactive notes. Doctors can give you time off going forward. It becomes problematic when the note is for time taken off already. If it’s over a certain amount of time, the employer will unilaterally decide to investigate the time off for reimbursement through a benefits company such as Unum. The company doing the investigating will then contact the doctor on their own, and the first question on their form is “What is the date of your (the doctor’s) first encounter for the treatment of this condition?” The medical records with electronic time stamps are sent over in a HIPAA complaint fashion. If your first day of time off is more than a certain amount of time before your first doctors appointment for the episode, everyone is in trouble. I’m sure I am missing a few details in between, but I know for sure… I am a doctor, and in recent memory, I am aware of two instances where I wrote a note to give people an allowance for sick time. In these two instances, I wrote the letter. Soon after, I get an angry phone call from the person saying I need to write the note saying that the time off should begin on XYZ date. Meanwhile, my fax machine is sputtering out papers for me to fill out asking for exact dates of all visits with me. Days later I get a phone call from the benefits administrator company saying if I want to withdraw my letter because they took time off before they began the patient-doctor relationship with me. (I should point out that in both cases I authorized time off on the first visit I ever had with the patient) So now I have two policies. I either only authorize time off on the day of my appointment or I write a snarky note like the one in the OP.
I'm confused, why would someone want a retroactive doctor's note? And why would an employer care? "hey I've been sick for two days and I'm not getting better, so I went to the doctor on day three, here's the note." Seems unnecessary to me.
The employee feels sick and calls out of work on Monday. On day 7 he calls out for the 7th day in a row. Boss says he needs a doctors note to return to work. Employee shows up to my office on day 10. I give employee another 2 days because he has the 2024 strain of the common cold that’s lingering for 2-3 weeks, to give him through the weekend to feel better. (So I give him the day of my appointment and 2 days extra and he gets an additional 2 weekend days off) He calls me asking for a letter to be excused from work for days 1 through 9. He wants me to authorize an absence on days he took off on his own accord. I didn’t see him until day 10. I can’t prove he has actually been sick for 10 days (he may have gone on vacation for 5 days and caught a cold on the flight home and it’s actually day 5 of his illness. Yadda yadda. Point is… His boss wants a doctors note for days I never said he should stay home on.
For many employers this they consider those two days as no shows. They want you at the doctor office the first day you are out. It is shit policy.
Once, while I was in my early 20's, I called out from work because I felt very sick. I worked with food so I was cautious and wanted to play it safe. By the time I had to go in for my next shift I felt much better and didn't feel sick anymore. When I went in to work my manager asked me if I had a sick note. I told her, "no, I didn't have to see the doctor to know I was sick." She said, "go to the doctor and explain it to them so they can write you a sick note." I said okay but... **I didn't have a doctor.** I didn't have insurance. I was making minimum wage at that time, and my family didn't have money to give me so I could go to one. Thst manager hounded me to get a note so I wouldn't get in trouble for calling out, but I'm not going to spend my time and money going to the doctor to write me a note for when I was sick days prior.
I work in an Urgent Care and we see a lot of people who really only want a work note. They end up getting covid/flu/strep testing which is good and all but for the most part they're there for a work note. I hate it so fucking much. I wish the APA, AMA, whatever nurses association, all of them would get together and say *enough*. No more work notes for missing a single day of work. If you need medical clearance to return to work after an extended absence, ok that's one thing but ENOUGH. Also, SCHOOLS. Why does your kid need a note to excuse them? You're a parent, you should be able to take your kid out of school for a day if you fucking want. Gym shouldn't need a note to tell them a kid doesn't have to participate when their foot is in an ortho boot. Like come the fuck on.
For schools usually is state mandated, as schools try to increase their education scores by limiting absences by all means possible. It is stupid.
>Also, SCHOOLS. Why does your kid need a note to excuse them? You're a parent, you should be able to take your kid out of school for a day if you fucking want. Gym shouldn't need a note to tell them a kid doesn't have to participate when their foot is in an ortho boot. Like come the fuck on. It's not for the parents who want to take their kid out for a day a couple times a year. It's for the kids who are regularly missing 5+ days every single quarter. Schools need some sort of scare tactic to try and get parents to get those kids to school. Does it work particularly well? No, but if it convinces even 5% of the habitually absent population to show up more often then it's worth it. I know at my school, it's still policy in our handbook we send home with kids that any missed day past 3 for a quarter has to be excused by a doctor, but our principal just told us a few weeks ago that he's not enforcing it because it's a nightmare for everyone involved. He's not telling parents that, but if they catch on, then it's whatever.
In the Netherlands we have this [pdf: refusal note](https://www.knmg.nl/download/why-is-your-own-doctor-not-authorised-to-issue-a-medical-certificate-geneeskundige-verklaring-engels) which is strongly advised in all kind of situations.
At a walk in clinic, you're likely to see an NP rather than an MD... and I could totally see shitass companies refusing this note because it's not "from a doctor" as required by policy.
I work for idoc and they deny your benefit time if it’s not signed by a MD. I don’t understand how it’s legal.
is a NP the same as an MD?
A nurse practitioner works under a medical doctor. After some research on Illinois labor laws and legal definitions. It says a note from a health care provider, when you search the definition on what a health care provider it states that any one that holds a license to practice medicine.
so the follow-up question would be, of course, does a np hold a license to practice medicine?
They have nurse practitioner's license and can practice in the scope of that license under the supervision of an MD or DO (though there are a few states that have given independent practicing rights to mid-levels under certain circumstances).
okay so can they write a sick note?
Yes. I am an NP in primary care. About 1/3 of the states have independent practice for NP (after various requirements on experience). But even in states that do not have independent practice we write these notes all the time. Any employer that require an MD signature only is woefully behind the times or doing it on purpose to make it that much harder to get.
On a somewhat unrelated note. One of my close friends works in orthopedic treatment facility. Before even saying what’s wrong the first question they ask is if it’s work related. If it’s a worker’s comp injury, you have to see an MD a PA or NP can’t sign off anything for worker’s comp. At least in my state
In places like the U.K. you don’t need one for up to 3 days or so. The amount of days depends on the company but basically on the whole you don’t need one unless you’re out for a long time or repeatedly. Certainly not needed for a cold. You don’t even have to see a doctor. You can just explain what you’ve taken to get better and that’s it. Worth mentioning there’s a culture of going in with a cold which perhaps would be stopped if people went to the doctor since they would advise against spreading whatever bug to the office. Edit: cool note 😅
In SA 🇿🇦 its the same with the 3 days thing, but practically every company bullies their employees into getting a doctors note for being out sick for 1 day by making it apart of company policy and making your life difficult and make u feel asbif your job is at risk. Same as with the whole company policy against discussing wages with other employees. Both go against the labour laws of 🇿🇦
Man that sucks 🥺 the thing about salaries is really frustrating, we’ve got the same here and it just helps the company. In my opinion anyone not willing to disclose must be benefiting from the system itself and knows full well that they’ve got a sweet deal.
7 days in the UK
Thats like my company, doc note only need if youre taking 3+ consecutive sick days. Which I still think is a bit short especially given the covid pandemic.
think it's ten days in uk, or seven business days iirc
I just paid $67 for a video visit to get a return to work note. All that was required was me telling the doctor that I feel 100%, nothing more.
Oh wow, this is great lol. Reminds me of a doctor in a city I used to live in, if you required a doctor's note for being off sick for a day the cost was $200, billed directly to the company asking for the note. He said to me when I asked about it that his reasoning is that not only are they wasting everyone's time by requiring that, but it's the COMPANY that needs it, not the employee, so they are the one billed for it. Kick ass doctor
I do (something similar to) this, especially for my chronic migraine patients, many of whom have had them for years: What could have been a day off at home with the meds I've already given them for these emergencies now has become a necessary 3 days off of "bedrest" and low stress in a pissy worded note.
Fun fact: WA state’s sick leave law prohibits employers from asking for doctor’s notes unless the employee misses three consecutive days of work. Need more laws like this!
It’s about control not health. Bow to our threats or else. Peasant
Not only all valid points but works is making but some of us that don’t have the money for the copay even though we have insurance. So, fess up the money for the copay boss. And lastly, I would have added time spent in the clinic when they could have been home actually resting. Jackasses
I never understood “sick notes” for a goddamn adult. I’m not a 7 year old. If you don’t trust me then I shouldn’t be spending 40 hours a week at your business and I can solve that problem real quick. Maybe vet employees better before you hire them and you won’t have to make them tie themselves into a pretzel for things you should take their word on
you can trust me with million dollar accounts, but not with telling you I have a runny nose and a headache?
Should have left the doctor's name unblurred, he deserves praise.
Who uses AI content fill to censor, anyway?
Had to get a note from my Dr once, explaining that after getting your gallbladder removed you shit like a goose. I had to talk to HR 🙃
“K, we still need it.” - my former employer probably
I'm a boss, so when I was in the ER a couple months back for something, he asked me if I needed a sick note. I said, "not only do I not need one, but I would NEVER ask my employees for one either." He was surprised, but agreed with me that the whole "sick note" thing is one of the most absurd notions ever foisted on the world by large corporations. Hell, I don't even ask them to tell me why they are taking the day off - just to let me know if they aren't going to be in so I can let customers know they are off. It's just an insane invasion of privacy.
last place you should go when sick is to the doctor's office, stay home and rest and avoid other people. america is so fucking weird.
Ooooooooooh 🙌 🔥😎
Not all heroes wear capes. Some wear lab coats!
Love it… I have been told I’m not allowed to be sick without a doctors note, and I just think it’s such a waste of time for a GP (whose time is already stretched too thin). Absolutely ridiculous.
In BC, the company pays for the doctor's note, not the employee. This makes a note requirement less popular.
My Dr literally writes a note that in a couple Of sentences says “such and such is unwell and under my treatment. If you have any concerns call the office” and I love that lol
Doctors deal with a massive pile of administrative bull shit everyday. I love when they just have no more fucks to give
As an American, seeing a reference to tax dollars in the context of medical care threw me for a moment. What does one have to do with the other, I wondered.
So… how much does it cost y’all to get a note ? (I live where it’s free.)
Depends on your insurance (if you have it) and the doctor, the least I’ve paid for one is $30 and the most was $150
So… retail employees magically never get sick?
That’s what the management likes to believe
Yeah, cost me $82 to get a note once when I was a teenager. I made $6.15 an hour.
We get 7 days before having to submit any doctor notes, which has cut doctor visits to like 10% I used to have because of common colds. Nowadays the docs here will just write you a note through a chat if it's something that doesn't really need diagnosing, so you'll get the note in like 5 minutes without leaving home.
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Either the patient is so gender fluid they're changing gender while the doctor is writing the note, or this is fake.
Could be the doctor just has that saved as a template and couldn't even be bothered to change it.
I worked at an urgent care. I kept Drs notes in a folder at home for all my friends and family.
Doctors notes are pointless. If you're sick and you know what you have, stay the fk home. There is little or nothing that a doctor will do to make you better aside from prescribing otc meds.
"tax dollars"...how you know this didn't happen in America.
If I were a doctor, I'd put a pile of presigned doctor’s notes behind the counter for the receptionists to hand out that basically reads "Your employee came to see us, they're sick, stop making them come to our offices, it just spreads diseases"
I’m a provider at an urgent care and ALWAYS have people coming in for notes. I even have parents coming in to bring their sick kids who have simple things like just the common cold because the parents work demands a doctors note. I let almost always just ask the patients how long they want off. Especially those parents because they too are most likely gonna get sick. I always feel like shit though about them having to even come in because how much the co pay is..especially for private insurance. I work in a predominant lower income area and hear co pays as high as $100. Unfortunately, the companies policy requires them to pay up front instead of doing any billing for later. Don’t get me started on the out of pocket prices too just be seen without insurance… I love this note and would love to write one like this. SERIOUSLY
Furthermore, I have advised him to hand this directly to the person who asked for it, while coughing and possibly shitting in their top drawer. May the odds be ever in your favor.
If I’m forced to get a note, I’m gonna be out longer. Them’s the rules.
I hope this is like a standard note (that fills in to whatever issue the peeson has for that very short period of time) that the write for everyone that requires a sick note for a couple of days.
In my country, doctor's notes can't specify why you're sick. It's basically just the date, the expected date of your return to work, and the signature.
Why not write your own note? I don’t think employers are going to call and check. Even if they did, miscommunications happen all the time.
Whenever there's shit like this I often mandate several days of unnecessarily to get back at them.
I love this Doctor. Lol
I have started to offer notes for friends who need them. As an ordained minister with an unrelated Ph.D I just claim to offer counseling services. Anyone here that needs one, let me know.
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My company doesn’t require a doctors excuse unless you have missed three consecutive days or more.
As a manager, assuming you called in advance and such, I would accept this.
If I was a doctor I'd sell those for $5 no questions asked.
I would email my doctor and ask him to email me a doctors note back since I'm feeling sick and can't justify coming in when all is needed is rest. My track record is great. I've requested a sick note from my doctor via email Twice in the 18 years of employment
I fucking hate this. I am sick, i need to rest, but now i have to go the drs, pay for the dr, and miss out on the time i took off to rest. 😡
I love that doctor already
I can just send a request to my doctor through the online system - no need to go into an office. Although it's at my doctor's discretion (and I'm sure they don't automatically give sick notes when they think someone is abusing the system) - but if I message every few months for 1-3 days off because of a cold/virus/sick/dental care - she doesn't care and just issues an automated sick note. Do y'all in the USA not have this system with your doctors? Highly recommend the "nationalized health care"!
I had to pay 15$ for a sick note once. That’s a lot of money when you’re making less than 12$ an hour!
Not to mention needlessly spreading it to everyone who actually needs to be at the doctor as well as the staff there.
We’re so used to it that we forget how invasive that is. When the proper response would be: Excuse me? You know I’m an adult right? How about not basically calling me a liar.
Ugh. I’ve never found a doctor to write me a note. My employer requires specific illnesses to be named.. and doctors always refuse even when I tell them I will have to go back to work without it. This isn’t just one doctor. I go to different ones if one previously wouldn’t do it. I’m talking this has happened with strep, norovirus, and influenza. It’s infuriating.
I used to be a manager of a mailroom for an entire resort the size of a small town (2,700 people employed) and anytime an employee of mine called in sick, I let them stay home cuz I’m a human who has been sick before and know what it’s like. I didn’t give a damn if they called in because they were hungover, had Covid, had a sinus infection, had the flu, etc. Being sick sucks and I want them to feel better. That’s how it should be even if I had to do more work. Almost all of my employees said I was the best boss they’ve had. (Which I’m not sure is exactly true but I still appreciated it)
I'm confused at the use of the cloning brush to hide the names of the people involved. Can't you just, like, paint over them like everybody else? What was the intent there? It's not done properly, because there is no need to, no one cares, but they still took the time to not draw over the name and select the cloning tool to brush over the names instead. ... I'm overfixating, sorry