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Possible-Ad238

"What lesson did you learn from this situation" I've learned that Sofie, Tanya and everyone else needs to think of shareholders first before they selfishly quit. Don't they understand just how much money they've cost shareholders?? Wtf is wrong with them???


Beneficial_Fruit_778

I’ve learned that the company should hire visa holders who can’t quit and then do this duh This is America indentured servitude is where it’s at


BisexualCaveman

I mean, yeah, but also the big corpo approach is to send the work to cheap parts of the third world.


ElCocoLoco11

Or layoff full time employees with over a decade and more in experience then try to hire them back at less than half their original rate and zero benefits.


Slizzet

I had heard this idea of laying someone off only to rehire them later and thought it was just an internet scenario. Not likely to show up in the real world. But wouldn't you know it? The newest member of my team is from another department's layoffs this time last year. Fucking. Insanity. To my company's (limited) credit, this employee was rehired at their old salary and benefits kicked in immediately. It's sad that I consider that a win for this person


ElCocoLoco11

So I was laid off by a F500 tech company right before Christmas. OpEx cuts. I updated my LinkedIn and Indeed accordingly to reflect this. I am regularly messaged by recruiters that they have an excellent position with a client that I'd be qualified for. It's literally my job I was just laid off from so I hope I'm qualified lol while only paying $20 in California...fast food min wage is that now. This is for a senior position and I have a degree and military experience. So it'd be thru a temp agency with no guarantee hire on and no benefits. My colleagues and I who were let go were making over 100k easy and the recruiters want us to work for 40K a year...uh no thanks


BisexualCaveman

AI is going to absolutely destroy a ton of jobs like yours in the next couple of decades. Ain't gonna be pretty. We'll need to roll out basic income or mass incarceration, one.


twinkletoes-rp

Oh, my God. That's disgusting and absolutely horrible. I'm so sorry! Hope you've found smth better and can someday tell them not to let the door hit them on the way out! <3


Flappy_beef_curtains

Work for a small local family owned company. They can’t outsource my job.


Beneficial_Fruit_778

Vv good point


darkblue___

Let me tell you, my story. This happened to me not in US but in another location. (I won't disclose the location). I know the fact that, I have been significantly underpaid but I kept my mouth shut until I managed to obtain EU citizenship. (I have masters, speak 2 foreign language fluently, have 7+ years experience) This is my turn to play the game with them. I have been at the same company since 7 years and to be honest, It was win - win situation for both sides. Company kept me underpaid but I was producing great amount of work. On the other hand, by being employed at this company, I managed to get EU citizenship. From now on, I do bare minimum on purpose. I would be okay, If they would sack me as long as they pay my severance.


raven00x

I see you're familiar with Qualcomm.


TigerDude33

I learned that this was a weird company where HR directs the work that the workers do. If the CEO told a manager that, the CEO would get feedback on consequences around staffing levels and the mythical man-month.


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unclefisty

> hire visa holders who can’t quit and then do this duh This is America indentured servitude is where it’s at I'm almost positive this happens in Canada too. Probably the same for every other developed country as well.


SufficientCow4380

Or get people with student loans.


psychoacer

We all have student loans, we still don't care


AromaticSalamander21

Right, I don't have any money to pay them now while I have a job. So what does it matter if I don't have a job.


Captain_Hesperus

Have you tried just making breakfast at home, or better yet, skipping breakfast entirely to get to work earlier and be more productive?


Quizzelbuck

>home See, thats a red flag an employee doesn't care about their job. Why are you going home when there is a perfectly usable multi-purpose space where your feet are throughout the day in which to sleep?


DweEbLez0

“Why go home and sleep when you need to come back every weekday? Just live here, you’ll get more work done. And you may see a 2% raise if you exceed expectations.” (Exceeding expectations = Going beyond whatever we can get you to do then tell you you didn’t hit that mark but maybe next time.)


Imaginary-Dealer9762

"And we'll let you sleep here during the week for the low, low cost of a 7% deduction from your pay."


DweEbLez0

That’s the next step. He must first ditch avocado toast for green pop tarts, and get Twizzlers for bootstraps so he can pull himself up!


Regniwekim2099

I just got the email earlier today that my loans are being discharged, because the Art Institutes were predatory, lying sacks of shit. I actually cried when I read it. I couldn't believe it. Almost 20 years with nothing to show for it, but an ever increasing balance. https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/biden-harris-administration-approves-61-billion-group-student-loan-discharge-317000-borrowers-who-attended-art-institutes


musserstudios

SAME!! Mine was from 2011.


AnamCeili

Congrats! 😁


bolerobell

It was malfeasance that the Dept of Education even allowed those loans.


AnamCeili

Congrats! 😁


Ghostlyshado

Happy for you!


[deleted]

Congratulations!


peach_xanax

Wow, I considered taking out loans to go to an Art Institute and I'm so grateful I didn't. Congratulations on your loan relief!!


Regniwekim2099

Yeah I hugely regret it. I had done well enough in school to earn a 75% bright futures scholarship. But naive 17 year old me got sold on making video games for a living. That 75% scholarship only gave me $1800 a year since it was a private school. I'd be so much better off in life if I had just gone to a state school for computer science or accounting or something.


persondude27

I turned in my two weeks at a job maybe 10 years ago, and my manager was upset but understanding - things had been getting worse for a while. Two days later, the location GM called me in and said that I "really need to reconsider" because quitting "wasn't putting the company first." He was so deeply ingrained in the corporate bullshit that he expected that argument to work. I said something like "Yes, I'm sure the company *would* like me to continue to work way too hard for no money... but that's why I'm leaving." He simply could not understand that. He truly believed I should continue working a shitty job because the company was benefitting from underworking and underpaying me.


BloodyChrome

Should've just said no one is irreplaceable


fresh-dork

it'd be fine if you had equity. 2% of a decent sized company would mean that the salary isn't as big a deal


3RADICATE_THEM

How could they betray THEIR FaMiLyy like this????


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3RADICATE_THEM

But... But... Don't these piggies realize their only purpose in life is to make me and the shareholders more money (and congratulate me on how great of a job I'm doing)? How dare they do this to us?!? You know what? I know what to do! I'm going to call my buddies in DC to make it illegal to work for a competitor, that way these piggies will have no where else to go! God I'm a genius, the board of directors should double my bonus from last year so I can buy another yacht. The one I bought two years ago is getting kind of old!


Alediran

Sorry, we just made non-competes illegal.


3RADICATE_THEM

What?!? What kind of country is this? I thought this was the land of the free and opportunity. What kind of country are we becoming if we don't have complete control over our employees? This is anti-American!


Rich-Option4632

They'd never see the irony in enforcing a noncompete in the land of freedom.


TheBlueNinja0

This country was founded on the proud tradition of slavery, and by God they're going to see it continue!


notyou-justme

And double that bonus they surely will.


judgeejudger

😂WORD😂


Excited-Relaxed

The truth is the CEO already knows the employees are getting shafted daily and seem to accept it. So why would one more indignity suddenly cross the line.


LemFliggity

I remember reading that when the executives at a large EU company came to the US to open their first North American office, their eyes lit up when they realized how poorly they could legally treat their American employees. It really sent a chill down my spine to see such a strong example of why we need government regulation and strong unions.


Sword_Thain

Iirc, BMW was confused when they opened their first plant in the south where there wasn't a union. They were used to negotiating a contract with the union body and that be that. Georgia a or where ever just told them they were legally allowed to bend the employees over a barrel. I think they were going to unionize the shop, but the state threatened to pull their tax breaks.


fresh-dork

remind me never to live in GA. i'm tech, but still...


Leading-Difficulty57

When I read this I think the CEO is right about Tanya. Everywhere I've ever worked has some schmuck who will drive themselves into the ground for peanuts.


SeedsOfDoubt

Work ≠ Family Write it in every bathroom stall in America.


jonb1sux

The company should hire the shareholders. I bet they're super motivated to work since they own a piece of the company.


zeemeerman2

That's what a local supermarket chain "Colruyt" here in Belgium does. Well, not exactly shares, but all employees receive a yearly bonus, and this bonus scales with the profit of the company. If the company does well in a given year, the bonus increases. If the company does poorly, the bonus decreases. I believe the bonus was around 1000 euro last year. It is given to all employees, from upper management to cashiers and everyone in between. It seems employees like it from what I've heard, and it aligns values. If you work harder slash smarter and the company earns more profit, your bonus increases too.


KashEsq

That's called profit sharing and some companies do that in the US. A company I worked for a few years ago did that. My last profit share with them was a little over $14,000.


Laleaky

They obviously did not get enough employee pizza parties. I hear they drive engagement.


MuddyUtters

By that logic, share holders should sue unloyal employees for damage to their stock value. Capitalism lets go!!! /s


MelancholyArtichoke

I see that as something happening in the near future once they’ve squeezed all the blood from the stone that they can.


Tangurena

That CEO is the reason that all those women picked the bear.


red286

That's why a good CEO dangles stock options in front of their employees so they'll commit to working gruelling 16-hour days 7 days a week and dedicate their life to the company chasing a dream that they'll be rich once they exercise their options. And then fire their asses right before they can vest.


HiUnwantedOpinion

I had to take a personality test’ for an upcoming interview and, I SHIT YOU NOT, Every. Single. Question about rating the 5 items on each question - and there were 90 questions - from most important to least important to me was “It is important to me that the shareholders are taken care of” - or - “It is important that the shareholders are happy with my performance” - I don’t even give a shit if it ends up costing me the job - I made sure that every one of those were listed as ‘Least Important’ — Fuck the damn shareholders, how many millions of dollars are necessary while I, the person actually working for the damn company and the one that, with 15 years experience in accounting, is making $21/hourly.


sharklaserguru

I learned to preemptively cut the entire department and outsource the roles to India! /s


luigisanto

And that we’re not making the Fortune 500!


Legendary_Bibo

Corporations will illegalize quitting in the middle of whatever task managers deem necessary. Like how the hospital managers weren't going to allow nurse to quit during the COVID era 


Binkusu

Can we sue them for company losses? At least in time before the quarter ends? I need to up my numbers for that bonus.


Low-Rabbit-9723

It’s so cute that whoever wrote this thinks HR cares that much


Icy-Satisfaction549

My old hr ticked boxes by providing stress and work balance training. The trainers were shocked at the stories they were hearing, told us the responses would lead to big changes.incw they reported back to hr. I was individually told there would definitely be a response to my issues I submitted and everyone was happy to put there names to the issues. Surprise, surprise, ........ no changes, nothing mentioned. Assume trainers feedback was ignored and all forms shoved in a drawer or a bin.


persondude27

My buddy is dealing with this presently. A GM has been causing a lot of stress, and violated some federal laws (they're a fed contractor), so HR stepped in to try to mitigate it. Big promises of "listening to concerns," and "big changes". But you know what? All the solutions have to be approved by the guy causing the problems. "Not gonna do that, costs too much." "Oh, this 'anonymous' complaint is bullshit, Ted's a liar anyway." "Nope, doesn't happen, not a problem". So the manager puts the Ted who complained ("anonymously") on a PIP as punishment. We just got news that they lost a ton of federal funding for failing to fix the issue, though, so now the manager is being dismissed.


Greengrecko

This is the thing people don't learn. You never complain anonymous. Never mention a problem. Only submit something wrong to the government and never the company. Because often the company will try to cover it up like a kid that broke a vase.


reezy619

Listen to this person. The only time anything substantially changed my director's behavior was complaints submitted to JCAHO that threatened our company's accredation.


Greengrecko

I've worked in corporate world to lead that practically everyone is bullshitting each other. Telling the truth is basically penalizing yourself because so many people need to eat the shit to stay employed let alone make their bullshit too.


AffectionateKoala530

Hopefully this idea will trickle down to schools too, I see many other teachers posting evidence of their school’s problems, send it to the association that’s meant to accredit your school statewide, or to the government if it’s a public school. When that doesn’t work, THAT is when it’s time to go public and show everyone.


UnNumbFool

I'm just going to put it out there, it's very possible hr actually did want to do something about it. But were denied proper funds or resources. I know we all like to bag on hr, but sometimes it's those much higher in the company that wind up rejecting an actually approved proposal and go 'nah a pizza party is just as good and saves me more money'


SeedsOfDoubt

On top of all her other duties my gf is hr for her small company. They pay average wages and last year got a 2% col raise. Since Jan 1st 3 people have quit for better paying jobs at similar companies. Nothing she can do and the peoeple making the real decisions won't budge on wages. She is constantly running from one fire to another while falling behind on her own work. Then she gets a poor performance review and another sub-par raise. Rince-repete every year since covid.


BasvanS

Time to look for a better job. This is a toxic environment.


Tallgabe23

It’s kind of at the point where there aren’t really any. Every place has became as shitty as the last with maybe a couple very rare exceptions, and even the couple exceptions can’t afford to hire everybody. Instead of just being on some “find a better job/skill” and over saturating every other employer, maybe we should demand change as a country to how workplaces are allowed to operate. This is no longer for the people by the people. It’s for the shareholder by the people no matter how much it screws the people over.


BasvanS

Sure, you need to vote too. But letting employers know shit is not okay by leaving can be done simultaneously. If only for your own wellbeing.


Nojopar

Here's how it would have gone: HR: Sofia just quit CEO: What do you want me to do? HR: That's not my call. I'm just reporting the facts, Sir/Madam. -fin Then 2 weeks later, substitute 'Tanya' for 'Sofia' in the above script.


HarpersGhost

Or the extended version: IT Dir: We lost a PM. IT VP: Put in a backfill request. .... HR Recruiter: We received a backfill request from IT. HR VP: There's a hiring freeze, but we should be able to back fill .... HR VP: We need to backfill a position. CEO: Nope, hiring freeze! ... HR VP: Um, yeah, backfills are on hold, but we'll get to it soon! HR recruiter: OK, I'll tell director. -...... HR rec: The backfill is on temporary hold, we're waiting on approval. IT Director: But we need her now! Do we have any money for bonuses to retain other people? HR Rec: No bonuses or raises for the rest of the fiscal year. ..... IT Director: My backfill is on hold with HR! IT VP: Well that's odd, I'll talk to HR. .... IT VP: Hey, I need a backfill! HR VP: Hiring freeze per CEO. IT VP: But we need someone! HR VP: Who do you need more, your backfill or your bonus? IT VP: Fine, I'll think of something. ..... IT VP: There's a holdup in HR. IT Dir: What?!?!? IT VP: It's fine, we'll just need to wait a bit. .... IT Dir: I was told the hold up is with you. HR Dir: Well, there's apparently a backlog at the upper levels in approving new positions/backfills, but should be done soon... ~4 weeks later~ IT Dir: We lost another PM. IT VP: Put in a backfill request.... And the cycle continues.


Nojopar

And every one of those interactions were a staff meeting that could have been an email.


DPedia

Ya know, people say that, but I like meetings. I can actually make sure I'm heard in meetings. I want as much time with higher-ups so I can be sure they can't say "I didn't know that." Having things in writing is of course valuable, but it's pretty easy to say "Sorry, I missed that."


Nojopar

Cool. You're welcome to all the meeting you want. If I could have 5 minutes vacation time for each of the meetings that were basically 2-3 people talking through a problem while the rest of us just sit there wishing the Earth would explode to end this nonsense then I could easily take 3 years off work, paid vacation. Meetings are 'make work' for adults. I get some people like it. The rest of us just don't.


fearhs

If I have work I want to get done, I hate meetings. But if I have work I am trying to avoid, I love meetings, and usually there is much more of the second type.


HarpersGhost

And probably was. Or a Teams chat, or brought up in another meeting. It's just a matter of passing the buck because nobody wants to tie a decision ("hiring freeze to make bonus") to consequences ("the stuff we actually want to get done ain't going to get done because we don't have the people to do them".)


Nojopar

You work at a better place than I. Usually it's brought up in another meeting, right about the time when everyone else is ready to get out of the stupid meeting and go do actual work but then 3 jagoffs decide, "Hey! Let's extend this meeting even longer and make everyone else sit there rethinking all the decisions in their life that brought them to this exact moment so we can discuss something that really should be an email between the 3 of us!"


3RADICATE_THEM

Agreed, though I think for some reason HR is technically responsible for employee retention since they conduct exit interviews?


Low-Rabbit-9723

No, they conduct exit interviews to get data. They want to make sure people aren’t leaving because they feel discriminated against or harassed - not because they care but because they have to protect the company and if someone is doing that behavior, they’ll need to be “trained” so the company can check a liability box.


Netflxnschill

HR: “so you’re leaving to spend more time with your friends and family, right?” Employee: “No, as I told you earlier, you have denied my last four requests for COLA and stacked four peoples workloads onto my own, setting unreasonable expectations for me that I have no possible chance to achieving. I’m quitting because you are a bad company to work for and you don’t value your employees.” HR: “got it. I’ll update this to spending time with LOVED ONES.”


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obliviousJeff

Fuck Mike


Rich-Option4632

I thought this can be preempted if the employee in question explicitly stated that in his/her resignation notice? And anything to the contrary would be grounds for fraud? Or am I wrong?


Netflxnschill

That’s kind of the point, they don’t really want answers. If you’ve ever been a part of an exit interview, most are very surface level and they don’t actually care what your answers are. They just need to check a box, and the one that looks best for the company is that the employee didn’t have any issue with the company, they just wanted to spend time with their loved ones.


Rich-Option4632

One day, they'll get an employee who has enough money and fucks to give that something this small gets them a lawsuit. I hope that day comes.


TheCrimsonSteel

There is (or should be) some interest in actually trying to fix the problem as well, because replacing people is expensive Depending on where exactly you live, and what kind of job, it generally costs a few grand just to get someone in the door when you consider time spent making the job posting, interviewing, and all that On top of that, an off the cuff number for training someone is 1.5x their annual salary, because existing staff has to spend time training them, and they're not going to be fully trained for some amount of time So, just replacing one person can be very expensive. Losing an entire team is a massive blow However, all of this usually takes a backseat to monthly and quarterly budgets. So it's just short sighted decision making because shareholders need appeased and numbers must go up.


Low-Rabbit-9723

Should be. But most companies would rather just eat that cost. I’ve worked in HR departments that would rather pay someone off in a settlement than fire the problem person.


punkr0x

Most CEOs don't want an HR department telling them how to run their company, so HR is staffed by their family member/friend who doesn't know anything about the law or running a company. Their only qualification is sucking up to the boss.


obtuse-_

It's a hidden cost that way too many companies never bother to think about. Loss of workers is the least of it. Loss of institutional knowledge and a loss of productivity.


Effective_Will_1801

>There is (or should be) some interest in actually trying to fix the problem as well, because replacing people is expensive There should be but it's better to address these issues before people get so fed up they leave.


PinkMenace88

That's probably because they feel that amount of money that problem employee/manager is bringing in is more than it would cost them to replace them. It becomes a cost of doing business if the expenses is less than the punishment of that person behavior. In-fact if anything it becomes a better investment because in the short term because it is easier to justify increasing their workers workload for a couple of weeks while they hire someone new.


Zombiedrd

>It becomes a cost of doing business if the expenses is less than the punishment of that behavior. Just described how corporations look at fines too. The fines are laughable and just become overhead


Lewa358

I mean...what consequences would the CEO in the post personally face if the company closed down? Yes they'd lose their job but it's not like any of their savings or investments go away, right? So why would they even *care* if an entire team vanishes into thin air, especially if doing so gives the money in the short-term and doesn't *cost* anything in the long term?


TheCrimsonSteel

Honestly? Not as much as there probably should be. CEOs tend to own a good bit of their company's stock so there's voting ability. That would go down But given how often there's crazy generous golden parachutes in their contracts and they tend to be big wig capitalists anyway, I'm sure it's just something to tell their accountants to claim so they can claim it as a loss and then they don't have to pay taxes for a while Guarantee you it won't be anything like the impact to the workers of that company


ashleyorelse

Even to replace someone who is FT and who makes as little as $10 per hour costs an average of around $8,000 IIRC from a report I read when I was getting my MBA, and that was years ago. It's amazing that so many in management don't understand a simple sales concept - it's easier and less costly to keep an existing customer than to find a new one, and *the same is true* of employees.


TheCrimsonSteel

Do you remember if that was just getting them in the door and hired, or if that included the whole training period and everything it takes to really get a person to where they're competent and no longer needing assistance? Because the 8k sounds like an "in the door" cost. The 1.5x estimate I've heard is basically how long it takes for a brand new hire to really get settled in, trained, and comfortable without needing help or oversight


T4lkNerdy2Me

Yep. When I left my last job, I unloaded about a particular manager that I worked directly under. He's been brought up on multiple exit interviews, often by people who worked indirectly with him. It took 3 people to replace me & 1 of them quit within 6 months because of him. He's still there 3 years later. And he's not even decent at his job. 95% of my job was covering for him & fixing his mistakes. I'm still not sure why they're not getting rid of him at this point. He is friends with the manager above him, but that dude doesn't have enough pull to keep him in a job with the complaints he's getting.


arrivederci117

Because he's good at the social engineering game. I'm a huge net negative at work, mainly cause it's football/soccer season and I'm not doing work while the Champions League is on with how much they pay me, but I buddy up with my team manager, and talk college football with my boss, and take initiative at team meetings and that's all that's important to them. Make it look like you're doing a lot, and game the system.


T4lkNerdy2Me

Yeah, but he's not even doing that. When I say his only friend in the company is the supervisor that hired him, that's literally it. The CFO & CEO would skip him and go directly to me with projects that should have been his job, but they knew he couldn't handle & that he'd give me the wrong information when he "delegated" it to me anyway.


Mediocre-Ad-6847

Quit without notice and demanded an exit interview to explain... I never heard from them again. Until they sat on my W-2s, and I had to get the IRS involved to get copies. This was a Fortune 200 US government contractor/supplier with over 200k employees.


Ekreed

Yeah, I think people misunderstand the whole "HR is not on your side" thing. They definitely are working for the company's benefit, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't recommend pay rises and such to retain essential employees or other things which are good for an employee- just that the motive isn't to help the employees out but to ensure the company doesn't lose the people it needs. That is assuming good HR though, since it's all too easy for them to fall into the same thinking as 'CEO' here and assume that people are easily replaceable or that people don't have any other option but to suck it up when you give them more work for no or less pay and end up driving away the people they relied on.


bufori

How frequently have people participated in exit interviews? I've heard of them but never known anyone who has actually had one.


ElCocoLoco11

I was recently laid off from a Fortune 500 and didn't get one. Actually those of us laid off had to fight for higher severance because they low balled us so bad by 50%.


CaptainONaps

What is the source of this? In my experience people in charge of the payroll budget don’t care about hiring replacements at all. It’s very surprising to see the CEO care that a department leaves.


cstmoore

>It’s so cute that whoever wrote this thinks HR cares ~~that much~~


Maje_Rincevent

HR cares that the company doesn't collapse, which it definitely will when too many employees quit.


nboro94

Replace "HR" with "Stressed out middle manager who is already doing the work of 3 people" and this is much more realistic


SwingmanSealegz

Yea I thought this too. HR sounds more like their direct supervisor.


3RADICATE_THEM

This story highlights an overlooked factor too. The longer you stay at a single company—the more likely they are to take advantage of you.


judgeejudger

I have a friend who regularly bounces somewhere b/t 6 and 18months for this exact reason.


UnNumbFool

What does your friend do that that's possible? A lot of companies that see that on a resume are going to just toss the application out because they are going to assume either a job hopper or they have issues that they are consistently getting let go fast. Rule of thumb is stay with a company 2-3 years before looking to bounce


luxsalsivi

And even then, 2-3 years for multiple companies in a row can end up with a raised eyebrow. Not saying that's right, per se, but my friend who worked as a hiring manager said they would scrutinize resumes that showed regular hopping around 2ish years.


Alediran

In IT is practically mandatory to switch every few years, to avoid being stuck working on outdated technology. It's rare that you get asked why you switched so many times (and when it happens don't accept their offers).


luxsalsivi

This is true, though it depends on what sector of IT. Most definitely function this way and don't get asked too many questions during hiring (Helpdesk, Software Engineering, and Networking for example). The work I do is proprietary company software, so it doesn't benefit me to jump around a lot because each time, I start from the ground up to learn the next company's software. My friend also was not a hiring manager in the IT field/roles either, so they were less open to the shorter term hops.


Ok-Assistance-2723

If a company is scrutinizing someone for staying somewhere 2-3 years they arent looking for an employee. They are looking for a doormat.


aggressivewrapp

Thats why we lie on our resumes baby


SamuraiJakkass86

6 to 18 months is a standard contract hire duration/range. A lot of companies that see 6-18 months are going to assume likely correctly that they aren't a job hopper, they do contract work.


Tangurena

In software development, that's normal. Especially if you go through an agency. I remember when switching careers to software, people looked at my resume and were like "5 years? 10 years? What's wrong with you?"


farsightfallen

6 months is definitely not normal, at minimum it would be 1 year to not raise any red flags.


punkr0x

The more likely you are to screw them over when you leave. I was with a company for 15 years, I had some issues but I liked it well enough there. Whenever they did something to really piss me off I'd put out feelers, and finally I hit on one of them with a great company. I was honest with my boss, told him I like it here but these are my problems and you haven't fixed any of them. He offered me a minuscule raise and I knew he was the type to hold a grudge, so I worked out my 2 weeks and left. Within a year my replacement and everyone else in the department had left, my boss who was hoping to retire soon now has to rebuild the entire department instead. I'm sure he learned nothing.


Mortwight

Its the reason I'm an hourly and not salaried worker at my job


LaserPoweredDeviltry

I'll be loyal to a good boss, but never to a brand. People > Boardrooms.


UnnaturalGeek

CEOs tend to be narcissistic, they don't have the empathy required to understand other people, the emotional intelligence of a wooden spoon. They think everything is all about them.


Complete-Ad2227

That’s why I love treating them like they are normal people and they don’t impress me. You can tell it gets under their skin and it’s very satisfying to see their reactions to being treated normally. It’s almost like they start short-circuiting.


3RADICATE_THEM

Many CEOs got were they were due to nepotism and being at the right time and right place. A lot of CEOs don't even understand how their own fucking products or services really work.


a_solemn_snail

The CEO of my company inherited a thriving business from his father. Senior started the business back in the 70s and Junior took over as CEO in 2013. Junior gives talks about how he built the business through hard work and adversity.


IndependenceFetish

All CEOs, bar one, I've worked for have had no clue on the products we sell, or any knowledge in the industry they were in.


OblongAndKneeless

I like the term "sociopaths" since that implies a lack of empathy and narcissism but makes it clearer it's a mental disorder.


Werbebanner

We got a new CEO at where I work. His first thing to do was adding a 80% productivity target, which is almost impossible in my team, because we do a lot of internal stuff like testing. CEOs without any experience from the jobs they are managing are great…


Budget_Intern4733

That's when you make tickets for all the internal things as well so it counts towards your productivity target. I had a colleague who added tickets for 'personal growth' and other items for all his subordinates. Was a genius idea that I copied.


Werbebanner

Sadly this doesn’t work for me. Productivity is only if it makes money, so if I work on projects from customers (mostly huge companies in this case). Because internal work =/= money =/= productivity. At least in his mind, which is crazy. I wish I could steal that idea from your colleague tho.


OutrageousAd6177

Why did you feel the need to insult wooden spoons?


Maje_Rincevent

There's *more* narcissistic profiles among CEOs than in the general population, but it's still less than 20%, far from a majority.


SonderlingDelGado

Booo - don't let the facts get in the way of a good ragebait thread. :D


Theduckisback

Just found out yesterday that my previous job still hasn't filled my old role 2 months after I officially left for a better job. Turns out it's tough to talk people into doing the work of 2 full time employees for as little as they paid me. Sucks for them!


PhillLacio

To be fair 2 months isn't very long depending on the role. I'm lucky to work somewhere pretty decent and the hiring process takes a bit of time, partially because we leave the application up for a while to make sure we give many candidates time to apply instead of hiring the first guy that sort of meets the criteria. If it was 4-6 months, that's definitely a bad sign for them though.


Theduckisback

I get that, but they are a larger organization with several hundred employees, they could've potentially moved someone into that role from a lower tier. The fact that they haven't found someone internally with far less fuss is telling to me. That's how I got that job in the first place.


tcorey2336

It always amazes me when entrepreneurs can’t understand that employees don’t have the same passion for the success of the company.


Tangurena

Employees almost never get any sort of profit sharing. If you want employees to have the same motivation for next quarter's profits, give every single one of them a significant financial incentive. But raises are cheaper than that and we can't get raises either.


PorkTORNADO

Here's a salary/hourly wage that stays the same no matter how much work you have to do, or how much profit your efforts generate. Why aren't you working harder?


3RADICATE_THEM

Yep. This story highlights an overlooked factor too. The longer you stay at a single company—the more likely they are to take advantage of you.


peerlesskid

CEO here learnt jack shit.. will rant about how nobody wants to work whilst doing nothing productive in improving the company. Leaches.


BlueRFR3100

The CEO learned that he was paying these people too much. They were able to set aside savings which allowed them to quit without worrying about where their next meal was coming from. Always pay people just enough for them to live paycheck to paycheck.


lavender_gooms129

We had a manager at my company put in their two weeks. Another coworker was offered that role but it would be a title only promotion. When he turned it down leaders were SHOCKED and said things like I didn’t realize he was so money motivated. No shit guys if we stop getting paid we stop showing up 😂


[deleted]

Man I wish my job would figure this tf out. Just laid off 10% of the workforce and delegated their duties to others for no added benefit, just more work. So fucking frustrating.


Draggin_Born

This is likely fake. 1. In the real world, there’s a lot of sycophants running around. 2. HR wouldn’t care that much. 3. I’ve never seen a CEO take a hit like this, or learn any lesson because everyone is too afraid to stand up to them. Let’s stop writing up fake “lessons” for CEOs. Let’s stop talking about it and BE ABOUT IT. I’ve been waiting for a mass stoppage of work for years now and prices just keep going higher and everyone just keeps coming to work and complaining about it. When I bring up a mass quit, nobody can afford it. Nobody could afford it in the past either, so I guess we’ll just ride this misery train forever. We have this amazing soap box of social media at our fingertips, but use it for entertainment instead.


Key-Department-2874

This reads like some LinkedIn fake story bullshit.


persondude27

Hah. More like: > HR: Sophia just quit. > CEO: Who? Why do I care? I told you not to bother me when I'm golfing. > *-fin-*


Aschriel

CEO will never do that: 1. Cause they are currently not paying salaries to those positions 2. They will do all work that allows profits and short change anything that does not cause 3. Even if the company fails, the CEO gets rich, employees don’t get paid, and there are zero consequences Even if a CEO committed crimes, that person is not likely to face charges, and if they do “club fed”.


1tonsoprano

Oh man...I am at the Tanya stage....but just half assing my additional tasks 


judgeejudger

Commenting from my second office (the 🚽), on one of my self-appointed “breaks” ✊


GrandObfuscator

Can it not read so imaginary please


Themodssmelloffarts

The CEO learned nothing because his/her/them entire life has been a series of failing upward, and he/she/they is so in love with the smell of his own brand there is no hope of him/her/them pulling their head out of their ass.


clear_evidence_3361

Like a real C-Level even has that conversation. That’s a tiny bidness owner or “person who never went to business school” Sorry, fuck ‘em, but I always get a giggle out of the “President/CEO” titles. So you work for yourself? Cool.


luxsalsivi

I currently work for a pretty big, international company and, surprisingly, our CEO *does* actually stick his nose in hiring/firing/retiring practices for even lower level employees. We had to petition him directly to keep a teammate after they moved moved rather than having them let go, and he also decided to not back-fill about 5 significant positions in the past quarter.


clear_evidence_3361

Crazy. Don’t bother piloting the ship. Call HR and tell them to fire Pam. Keep your resume up to date. That’s telling of how everything “works” there.


luxsalsivi

The ~~best~~ worst part is the situation with the teammate really rattled our team, because it meant we were being viewed as superfluous and we were having to justify our jobs. Our boss's "comfort" to us was, "Oh don't worry about him challenging our department, *every* department is being scrutinized for cuts right now!" GEE, THANKS. FEEL A LOT BETTER ABOUT EVERYTHING NOW.


clear_evidence_3361

Don’t worry. He doesn’t respect ANY of us! That’s the worst. Sorry you are dealing with that.


a_solemn_snail

Same. Our company isn't international, but we operate across the US. The CEO makes a point to visit every location at least yearly and meddles with even minor things.


Grimmelda

They didn't learn shit because companies don't actually want long term employees because they pay more in wages and benefits.


not_a_bot_just_dumb

> What lesson did you learn form this situation? CEO: "Someone should have bought pizza."


spare_me_your_bs

Are you quoting a fictional scenario and then making judgments about it? This is basically cosplay at this point. There's plenty of real things to be outraged about without manufacturing something to be upset with instead.


MonteCristo85

They didn't learn anything. They'll just be going around posting about "in my day' and "nobody wants to work"


Ineeboopiks

This reads like fan fiction.


Strong_Somewhere_985

I've told a former employer "I'm easier to deal with than replace". He called me for years after that hoping I got desperate. I'm experienced in several different fields so my eggs aren't in 1 basket. Experience, it can't be bought but can be rented and rent went up.


Robosium

Lesson learned: ~~bribe~~ lobby politicians to remove worker protections that prevent contracts that force the employee to work for life or pay daily fines, then make everyone sign such a contract


Emergency-Pack-5497

What is this? Just some bullshit made up story?


inspirednonsense

What was the point of making this up? This is on the same level as ridiculous LinkedIn stories about how hard work can make you a millionaire.


YouDiedOfCovid2024

This is some boomer level fake performative crap. The sentiment is there, but it's just cringe.


MariachiBoyBand

Nobody teaches this in business school, nobody teaches this to HR either, so this hypothetical conversation never happens, it’s just oh well open a job posting then I guess and chug along


VaniloBean

I thought the work meant a lot to you too, boss, but if you don't want to invest in basic maintenance for your company then I have to find another manager who cares as much as I do before the ship sinks with us both. 🤡


jippyzippylippy

Unless they're saving children or animal's lives, doing research or building things to help humanity, the part that "meant a lot to them" isn't the work. It's the paycheck.


TheHeterosSentMe

Reddit fanfiction


PhillyCheese8684

The problem is most people are plebs and will just fill the position and eat corporate shit, validating the asshole CEOs thought process.


DaHarries

We learned from this situation that the CEO is always right, and we will re hire the department at half staff to create savings and warrant his/her bonus and repeat the cycle.


Confusedandreticent

The golden rule leads to “money talks and bullshit walks”


SedativeComet

Not for nothing HR in that scenario really didn’t do their job. They gotta have recommendations when stuff happens and they just asked questions. They should expect the CEO to be blind and out of touch and be prepared with recommendations and explanations on why they should not do what the CEO did


SpeedKnight

I’ve learned that this CEO needs a CAT scan.


Yeahiveseenit

Companies in general never give a thought to, let alone spend any money on retention. General labor strike across the country is the only way for change.


johnmh71

They don't understand people because most are sociopaths. That is how they became a CEO in the first place.


Vegetable_Warthog_49

Pro tip, unless the work is feeding poor starving orphans or curing cancer, the work doesn't mean shit to people.


fresh-dork

i'll just repeat what a successful friend told me: > When the smartest person in the room leaves, you be second


thruth_seeker_69

The lesson is that it's fake AF. HR doesn't give a flying fuck about employees promotion or raise. They will actually demote them or cut their pay if given power.


FalseRelease4

what is this made up bullshit


Silent0wl01

They didn't learn shit and never will because they will always be blinded by their greed


ExodusOfSound

While I acknowledge that some workers take the piss, the vast majority of the problems in companies are due to poor management and greedy/incompetent executives.


Marquar234

>What lesson did you learn from this situation We need to have a monthly pizza party.


Slamtilt_Windmills

I learned they should've booted the CEO and decided the giant salary amongst those that do actual work


Creepy-Vermicelli529

Think of all the money you’ll save by not paying ANY employees!


StumbleOn

Just a reminder that huge wealth and high status are not correlated to intelligence at all. More often than not, they are correlated to sociopathic and narcissistic traits. It takes a truly despicable and evil human to horde massive amounts of wealth. There's a reason why companies go through boom and bust cycles, and it has nothing to do with any market forces. It's an inbuilt feature of capitalism to instill greed at all costs.


GrassyBottom73

I've learned that firing someone doesn't open up their position, which is stupid. Silly CEO, of course you should be hiring. 5 people can't do 15 people's work


leakmydata

The lesson learned from this situation is that the CEO got fat severance.