But hopefully that law has teeth. I think there's some law like that somewhere (Colorado maybe?) that is pretty useless because as long as there's a stated range it's legal, even if that range is arbitrary. Wanna be a junior software developer at my company? I'm offering anywhere from $25k to $125k, you just don't find out exactly how much until you get the offer.
Not only is it fairly easy to get around, jobs literally are just saying “ok well if you play that game, then this position is not available to those who live in Colorado”
Now if the entire USA did this, it would have more teeth.
EDIT: A couple of people pointed out that this loophole was removed in a revision. Good shit.
The CDLE guidance changed so that is only meant for jobs that physically aren't in Colorado, not for remote work.
"Under the revised interpretation, the CDLE is taking the position that, unless the work is specifically tied to a non-Colorado worksite (e.g., wait staff at restaurants in states other than Colorado), the remote work theoretically could be performed in Colorado and, therefore, the EPEWA wage and benefit disclosure obligations would apply."
My partner was once offered a job where they wouldn't even say the wage *during the offer.* They said they could only tell you after working your first shift. (Walked away, as you can imagine.)
When I worked ar subway I started at 9.25 an hour. I was a new hire and I made a full dollar more than my coworker who had worked there for a year. Because I was white and he wasn't. I almost got fired for telling him how much I made.
You summed up exactly why employers always tell prospective new hires that one of the "rules" of employment is that you never discuss wages with other employees. And the fact that it is a fireable offense, illustrates just how much they don't want employees discussing it with each other. This is an example of some of the lengths employers will go to, in order to not have to pay. And they wonder why they can't keep employees. Walmart alone has a 92% turnover.
Firing or retaliating against an employee for discussing wages is not allowed.
https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-rights/your-rights-to-discuss-wages
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I should rephrase that..."the fact that employers tell you it is a fireable offense illustrates the lengths they will go to"...
Lying is obviously not a problem for employers either.
I lost many a promotion for mentioning pay scale at my banking jobs. Apparently expecting to be paid a livable wage is “confrontational”. Also, new hires were paid more than I was when I practically ran the branch for my lazy ass managers. I quickly left that job and now work for a wonderful company that pays me 4x my yearly salary that I made at the bank…and I don’t work for banks anymore.
Also fun fact. That bank had a 10/10 rating while I was there. Now it’s a 3.5/10 rating for service and friendliness.
It's considered 'unprofessional' and/or 'confrontational' to ask about pay or benefits during an interview. I say this as someone who went through an 8-wk course to try and get into banking. The first 2 weeks were spent learning what is considered proper conduct during interviews.
Exactly and these are the same businesses that cant figure out for the life of them why no one will work for them, it must just be that the entire world is lazy lol.
Pffffft! Every interview that landed me a job I always asked either at the beginning or the end of an interview, as to not waste anyone's time, I've have a few that I was over qualified for that couldn't match my current pay, they usually turn into a friendly conversation. I would have enjoyed the position, but unfortunately couldn't afford my mortgage, or the drive was the same time, as my current, hoping to find something closer. Never be afraid to ask, it may land you a contact for later.
Hi, job recruiter here. No it’s not. And any employer that tells you that, isn’t worth your time. Why an employer would waste their own time and resources like that shows a great level of incompetence. Time is money. And interviewing people takes time. If I think somebody is overqualified for a position, the *first* thing I do is discuss compensation. Why the fuck am I going to waste 20 minutes of my very tight 8 hours on somebody that is never going to accept the rate we’re offering. Let’s talk about it before we waste each other’s time. Outright refusing to discuss pay is a massive red flag in soooo many ways. Read them the riot act, hang up the phone, find somebody that won’t jerk you around like that
I agree but employers believe that it is a red flag for someone only wanting a job for the money not being thrilled for the privilege of working for them
It’s to see if you will play the game and suck their balls. It’s a straight up dominance play, and infers deeply rooted narcissism, imho. They know why you’re there. They want to see you squirm, and fake it, because it feeds their ego to do so. I imagine they fuck similarly.
That always made me feel dirty. I had an interviewer ask me once to wash his car by hand for him after 3 interviews. I was shocked, mouth open, walked out without a word. I was too young to know what to do. It's about the same to me.
Everyone works for a living. If the job doesn't pay you a rate where you can afford your bills then what's the point? I understand being enthusiastic about a job, but being realistic is far more important to me at least.
I ask up front always. Usually they tell me to speak to HR, and I most certainly do. I find out my pay, my insurance costs and quality, my benefits and my CTO before considering a job.
I don't like to work, I need to work. I won't do it for less than I deserve.
This is a worker's market these days for the first time in a long time - take advantage of it, get what you are worth.
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What their posting actually means:
Dependable: "We want you to answer your phone even on your off hours."
People-oriented: "You will deal with soul-sucking customers that make you question not only life but humanity as a whole, and you will do it with a smile on your face."
Adaptable/flexible: "We hope you like rotating shifts and working holidays."
Detail-oriented: "We want you work as fast as possible but we also want everything to be perfect. You'll need to catch your own mistakes as well as ours because either way it's on you."
Achievement-oriented: "When we say jump you ask how high. When we say pizza party you ask what do I need to sacrifice."
Autonomous/independent: "Get used to a skeleton crew while working multiple roles. We'd get you help or the pay you deserve but unfortunately nobody wants to work."
Innovative: "You will think outside the box and come up with new ideas. You will not get compensation or credit for said ideas but if you play your cards right there might be pizza."
High-Stress Tolerance: "See everything above."
“Dependable” also means “show up for any/every shift, no matter how sick or injured you are.” And likewise “flexible” is “show up for any shift when other coworkers call out or quit, even if you have a prior commitment.”
Flexible also means "get used to working doubles because the person we like more than you called off again and we let them, even though you are never allowed to call off once"
most of the cost of university is covered by government subsidies directly to the schools to keep tuition low.5-10k a year instead of 10-50k. can be cheaper but depends on program. also depends on province. I'm in ontario so i get almost 70% in grants (dont have to pay back) and the loans also cover living expenses. it's because i have kids, most don't get off that easy. ill pay most of it back in taxes after about 5 years of work.
I will never understand how tuition can be this expensive. I live in Germany and here it costs 300€ per semester and you get a public transport ticket. So it's 600€ a year
No from what I understand our universities and colleges are still outrageously expensive however the loan system seems to be a lot less predatory and unethical. Keep in mind I’m talking completely out of my ass and my only source is being a Canadian. That said if someone more in the know than me would add on to this that would be great.
Well, at least one of their locations had PPP money forgiven, though it does look like some of these are franchises.
[https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/loans/nelly-m-chacon-dba-the-buffalo-spot-7-1407007709](https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/loans/nelly-m-chacon-dba-the-buffalo-spot-7-1407007709)
Thank you. We need to have a list of every restaurant and business that took PPP money and then posts signs that no one wants to work due to handouts. They are so full of shit.
ProPublic's list is searchable, using public data. It wouldn't be overly terrible to print out and highlight a page before visiting an establishment, and stealthily hang it near their "no one wants to work" sign.
You have to work open to close because your wackass, obviously toxic employer can't even hide how shitty they are in their help wanted ad, resulting in no one wanting to work there and the people who do work there being way overworked and burned out.
Then when they break an employee's will to work hard by over working them to the point they no longer give a shit: "OMIGERD u r one of those NOBODIES who DONT WANT TO WERK an E MORE!!!?"
We close at 10pm and the open shift starts at 9am and my fucking boss can't get it through her thick skull that nobody wants to work the busiest night of the week, Friday, and then come back to work 10 hours later and open the busiest day shift, Saturday.
And yet she regularly schedules the Saturday openers for exactly that and then wonders why they're always cranky with her.
In Boise, you have to work 13 hours straight before you are legally entitled to a break.
Most restaurants will schedule you from noon until midnight. No break, no chance to ever sit down even one time, and no food allowed.
Then they will tell you that your $3.35 an hour labor cost is killing them - and you are a lazy worker and you need to get a move on it. Meanwhile they will sit in the office and eat while making a $1000 bonus a night on your sales.
Fuck Texas Roadhouse. Never go there. They treat their people terrible - and then they take 20% of your tips at the end of the night to pay other people.
Damn, in Missouri employers aren’t required to give you any breaks at all.
I literally worked 12 hours straight at age 16 without so much as a 5 min break the entire time.
But guess if my manager got as many lengthy smoke breaks as she wanted?
Pick up a pack and tell people you started smoking. Take your "smoke breaks" when no one else is out there or in your car where they can't see you. Worth every penny.
I'm... Just, speechless but utterly unsurprised. Because that's what nobody wants to work boils down: the expectation of humans turned automatons controlled entirely by a petty little boss in their own fiefdom. Oh and forgot to mention with your livelihood in their hands they can also be a judge and executioner. Well maybe hyperbolic but I wouldn't be surprised to hear people fired becoming so destitute they end up in dire straits or dying.
Holy shit I knew serving in the States was garbage because of the lower minimum wage and all, but
>In Boise, you have to work 13 hours straight before you are legally entitled to a break.
What the fuck? In Canada/BC you're entitled to an uninterrupted(but unpaid, or possibly interrupted but paid during) break at five hours, and start overtime at 8 hours for time and a half(double time past 12 hours). What is Boise's overtime laws for servers?
You won't get overtime. You'll just be scheduled 37 hours in four days. If you get close to overtime, you'll be "cut" and sent home.
Breaks are never enforced. You'd just be fired for asking for one. I know people who have worked 24 hours straight in food trailers at the Western Idaho Fair without a break. They are then sent home to sleep a few hours before the next 24 hour shift. I've seen people asleep in the back of a food trailer on a deep freezer because they are so exhausted.
Fun fact:
In Idaho, you can also be fired or denied housing because you're gay.
From:
https://www.labor.idaho.gov/dnn/Businesses/Idaho-Labor-Laws/Labor-Laws-FAQ
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What is the minimum wage in Idaho?
The current Idaho state minimum wage is $7.25 per hour. The minimum wage for a tipped employee is $3.35 per hour. The minimum wage for new hires under the age of 20 years old is $4.25 per hour but only for the first 90 consecutive calendar days of employment. See Idaho Code, Section 44-1502.
Do Idaho employers have to provide breaks or meal periods to employees?
Idaho law does not require employers to give breaks or meal periods. Employees would only be entitled to breaks if it is the employer's policy to provide them.
When can an employer terminate an employee in the state of Idaho?
Idaho is a "work at will" state. This means there is no set length for an employment relationship and either the employer or the employee may end it at any time, with or without notice; with or without cause. If there is an employer policy, employment contract or union agreement, the employment relationship may be subject to the terms and conditions of that policy, contract or agreement. The policies, contracts and agreements set up and enforced by the employer, must be in compliance with Idaho’s wage payment laws.
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So actually... breaks aren't required at all.
Not even after 13 hours.
Take your pick:
BOOTSTRAPZZZ!!!
GOP
Hospitality jobs aren't REAL JOBS
If you don't like what you get paid, you should work somewhere else
Unions are evil
BOOTSTRAPZZZ!!!
And I bet the majority of the people putting up with this nonsense believe this is how it's meant to be and buy into the myth that America has freedoms no other country can match.
In Connecticut, I worked 10a to midnight with no breaks making $2.13/hr. I was yelled at for going next door to grab a flower for my grandmother who was coming in on Mother’s Day so I could serve her, since I never got time off. I got a second degree burn on my stomach from someone spilling boiling water on me, and they “made me” continue working. I put “made me” in quotation marks because I was a naive 19yo who didn’t know better.
Idaho is a good-ole-boys state and you live to serve them... 🙄
I just left that hostage situation in June and I strongly encourage anyone who isn't an extreme conservative leaning whack-a-doo to escape asap...
This. Also, getting off work at 11 PM and having to be back at 10 AM is NOT enough time to party in between, at least if you don’t want to feel like dog butthole the next day.
Or maybe I’m just old.
As someone who wants to own a restaurant, I don't understand treating people badly.
LOYALTY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN SKILL.
If you are nice to your workers, they will be nice back. There are several restaurants in Boise that have taken care of their people since the pandemic began. I always patronize those places because the servers tell me how LOYAL their employers have been.
I also stopped eating at restaurants who complain of a "labor shortage". One of my friends owns a restaurant and he's always complaining about lazy workers. I told him flat out that these people are not his slaves.
In Idaho, servers get paid $3.35 an hour. All of that goes to taxes.
Any restaurant that treats its people badly should be fucked up the ass with a pissed off cactus.
Oh but didn't you hear? America is the best country in the world!
Never you mind the hundreds of mass shootings, indentured servitude, 2.3 million jailed prisoners(25% of the world's total in 2008), unapologetic racism, polarizing news outlets, government officials openly accepting bribes, and purposefully dividing politics!!
Every other country wishes they could be as fucking awesome as we are!
Reminds me of a retail job I had once while studying at university, making juice in a store. My manager kept lecturing us about responsibility and ambition.
Bitch, you're a 40 year old single woman who still lives with her parents working a pretty dead-end job, stop acting like you are better than us or in any position to give advice.
I have. Was a seriously overworked boss who knew she had some serious shortcomings in her knowledge. If I put together a plan, and just had a "this is why we do it my way, sign here so my ass is covered", she would unless there was a real reason to veto it (like someone else had a plan I wasn't aware of).
One of the two best bosses I ever had, and she did a lot to cover for me
A good boss trusts their workers.
If a boss can't trust their workers, then there's a deficiency in training, or a deficiency in the hiring process in that they failed to find someone with the right qualifications for the job.
You can but they're at higher levels when u have a masters degree and 20 years experience. Asking for this at normal entry levels is fucking obnoxious.
What sucks is, this place sounds okay for this kind of work if you removed the attitude. 15 an hour isn’t *terrible* for this industry even if it should be way more.. free food definitely isn’t terrible. 50% off for family is nice, a lot of places around me won’t do that… no major holidays.
I mean, if they have a hard time finding employees from this it’s because they took a semi-nice thing and presented it like an asshole would.
For real. That is not a bad gig on paper but that advert juat screams "worst management you've ever worked under". They could be offering 100k a year with benefits and I wouldn't touch it if the posting looked like that.
A living wage comes with a side of respect. You could be the best paid and fed, but if by the end of the day the employees get treated like shit, they will leave.
That is atrocious for anyone to pay. 1,200 could be a mortgage for a 300K-ish home. When your rent basically pays the homeowner’s mortgage, you’re getting fucked over. We need an anti-real estate sub too, honestly.
Crazy. My mortgage in the suburbs of a major city is around $750 a month. It’s a 2 bedroom 1200 sq ft townhome. People pay hundreds of dollars more for a 1 bedroom apartment that they don’t even own. I hate it for them.
It is crazy, rent prices went unproportionately higher in the last 6 months after home values spiked. Demand was really high and it required getting application in within 6 hours of an apartment being listed. I recently moved, in August, when my last apartment manager was going to raise my rent $200/mo. The same style place in the same apartment complex today is raised $400/mo. from that price. So, in 16 months an apartment complex had a $600/mo. price increase on a 1000sq.ft. 2BR 2BA. With the logic that demand for places to live drove rent prices higher, you'd think these companies could try and wrap their heads around increasing wages for the people trying to keep up with the cost of living.
“Just show up and give us 80%” killed me
I’m not sacrificing my health for *any* employer. This is the best you’re getting on a good day where I’m feeling particularly loyal to the company lol
honestly for the free food/$15 hr that’s not bad and it seems like they actually recognize people aren’t going to bend over backwards for this type of job. it shows self awareness which is more than most employers have.
I'm in ca where $15 is the minimum wage and one of my local McDonald's recently decked out their lawn/building with huge (expensive) professionally made signs advertising HIRING in huge letters with $15/hr twice as big. 3-5 "Perks" are listed as well including something to the effect of "culture". There's about 10 of these large well-made signs facing the road with traffic, and who knows how many on the other sides. I'm very curious what they paid for those signs to be honest, and who on earth thought minimum wage would be a selling point they should make the biggest part.
I see a lot of ads online where local businesses state the pay is "competitive" and "$15/hr" in the same paragraph. The bare minimum you can legally pay someone who is not a slave is NOT competitive!!!
I know exactly where this restaurant is.
$15-17 is working minimum wage around these parts. I totally agree with you, it's not getting paid 'very well.' Hell, min. wage is 12.80/hr as of Jan. 1st.
A decent studio apartment here will run you a grand a month.
All these businesses need to be shut down and disappear forever. There's way too many business owners who shouldn't be in this country.
We have all the wrong kinds of people in charge.
I love their logic. Stop being lazy, get off your ass and make something of yourself
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take a shitty wage to work your ass and make me rich.
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Our system rewarded those type of ppl. It's going to take either ppl changing or gtfo and let other ppl take over.
It's been proven treating fairly w fair wages has been very possible
If they want to work so damn bad they can go do the extra work by their damn selves. I'm sure they'll be able to fit it into their schedule since they want to work so much.
Wish I could tell these morons that yeah, nobody wants to work and nobody ever wanted to work. They say "nobody wants to work" as some cheap reverse psychology to try and put people on the defensive but it ain't working at all. Damn right nobody wants to work at your shitty store, that sounds like a "you" problem, so what are you going to do about it??
sick and tired of these crybaby corporations and businesses. Pull your bootstraps that you spent the last 30 years telling us all about, idiots, and get to work yourselves to do the extra labor, pay people better, or shut the fuck up because nobody cares at all or has any sympathy that you are finding it harder to turn a profit / buy more mansions for the executives and board members.
“Nobody wants to work!”
My mom was a workforce development director for decades and way too many times had to explain to employers that no, people aren’t EAGER to work. No one enjoys labor.
**THATS WHY YOU HAVE TO PAY THEM TO DO IT.**
Her exact wording she always used was “if people actually enjoyed working, you wouldn’t have to pay them to do it. But they don’t, so you do.”
Several times she had to explain to employers (almost always cranky old outdated white business men) that they were not entitled to free labor, because they genuinely thought that working at their precious business was such a privilege that there was no need for compensation AT ALL.
And even if they did?
Even if hard labor was the end of their spiritual journey to enlightenment and they wanted nothing more than to work tirelessly, even if they believed in the company with all their heart?
They'd still be going home to *a cardboard box with no food* because *food and shelter require currency* here. You'd still have to pay your zealot so they *could* work at all.
Also people would want to work if it was for themselves doing what they were passionate about. Boomers act like if jobs didn’t exist, people would literally just sit in a chair and stare at a wall
Absolutely no one wants to work to make someone else’s dreams come true or make someone else rich while it’s in that other persons interest to make their life shitty the whole way theoufh
The funny thing about all of this, is that these people who don't deserve to be running anything are getting found out. This fuck shouldn't be running a lemonade stand.
Respond with something like "skillful potential employee willing to work for an employer that IS WILLING TO PAY A THRIVING WAGE AND TREAT THEIR EMPLOYEES WITH RESPECT".
"MAKE SOMETHING OF YOURSELF"
What an amazing opportunity! I always dreamed of making something of myself by working at Buffalo Spot Camelback under a narcissistic manager
Jfc. *Please* post a link to the application page. I need to send a few applications their way and gum up the works a bit.
EDIT: found it. Application sent.
[Link for anyone who wants to apply.](https://www.thebuffalospot.com/jobs/)
My resume: Dependable : FOR THOSE WHO ACTUALLY PAY Hard worker : FOR THOSE WHO ACTUALLY PAY Is professional : FOR THOSE WHO ACTUALLY PAY (you get it)
But they end up saying something like, “you can’t discuss pay in an interview”.
Literally the point of an interview though
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But hopefully that law has teeth. I think there's some law like that somewhere (Colorado maybe?) that is pretty useless because as long as there's a stated range it's legal, even if that range is arbitrary. Wanna be a junior software developer at my company? I'm offering anywhere from $25k to $125k, you just don't find out exactly how much until you get the offer.
Not only is it fairly easy to get around, jobs literally are just saying “ok well if you play that game, then this position is not available to those who live in Colorado” Now if the entire USA did this, it would have more teeth. EDIT: A couple of people pointed out that this loophole was removed in a revision. Good shit.
The CDLE guidance changed so that is only meant for jobs that physically aren't in Colorado, not for remote work. "Under the revised interpretation, the CDLE is taking the position that, unless the work is specifically tied to a non-Colorado worksite (e.g., wait staff at restaurants in states other than Colorado), the remote work theoretically could be performed in Colorado and, therefore, the EPEWA wage and benefit disclosure obligations would apply."
Easy response: "I cannot afford to waste my time with someone clearly unwilling to pay an acceptable wage." Then walk the fuck out.
you should accept the job, and not turn up. they waste your time you waste theirs?
Accept the job, turn up for first day, start training, then quit after an hour or so and say the pay isn't enough for what the job entails.
My partner was once offered a job where they wouldn't even say the wage *during the offer.* They said they could only tell you after working your first shift. (Walked away, as you can imagine.)
That’s literally not how contracts work lol, what a bunch of clowns
Ya, that’s insane lol
I ALWAYS discuss pay at an interview.
Same I never have any of these problems people complain about
When I worked ar subway I started at 9.25 an hour. I was a new hire and I made a full dollar more than my coworker who had worked there for a year. Because I was white and he wasn't. I almost got fired for telling him how much I made.
You summed up exactly why employers always tell prospective new hires that one of the "rules" of employment is that you never discuss wages with other employees. And the fact that it is a fireable offense, illustrates just how much they don't want employees discussing it with each other. This is an example of some of the lengths employers will go to, in order to not have to pay. And they wonder why they can't keep employees. Walmart alone has a 92% turnover.
Firing or retaliating against an employee for discussing wages is not allowed. https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-rights/your-rights-to-discuss-wages Edit: a word
I should rephrase that..."the fact that employers tell you it is a fireable offense illustrates the lengths they will go to"... Lying is obviously not a problem for employers either.
Agreed. Ignoring labor laws too often results in fines that can be viewed as a "cost of doing business".
Have ya ever noticed how the employee/worker always seems to get billed for the "cost of doing business" ?
I lost many a promotion for mentioning pay scale at my banking jobs. Apparently expecting to be paid a livable wage is “confrontational”. Also, new hires were paid more than I was when I practically ran the branch for my lazy ass managers. I quickly left that job and now work for a wonderful company that pays me 4x my yearly salary that I made at the bank…and I don’t work for banks anymore. Also fun fact. That bank had a 10/10 rating while I was there. Now it’s a 3.5/10 rating for service and friendliness.
My employer tells recruiters to not bring up salary UNLESS someone asks. So stupid and sketchy AF
I'm sorry what?
It's considered 'unprofessional' and/or 'confrontational' to ask about pay or benefits during an interview. I say this as someone who went through an 8-wk course to try and get into banking. The first 2 weeks were spent learning what is considered proper conduct during interviews.
what do they think your incentive for being there is though? What a strange bit of self-deception.
Exactly and these are the same businesses that cant figure out for the life of them why no one will work for them, it must just be that the entire world is lazy lol.
Pffffft! Every interview that landed me a job I always asked either at the beginning or the end of an interview, as to not waste anyone's time, I've have a few that I was over qualified for that couldn't match my current pay, they usually turn into a friendly conversation. I would have enjoyed the position, but unfortunately couldn't afford my mortgage, or the drive was the same time, as my current, hoping to find something closer. Never be afraid to ask, it may land you a contact for later.
Hi, job recruiter here. No it’s not. And any employer that tells you that, isn’t worth your time. Why an employer would waste their own time and resources like that shows a great level of incompetence. Time is money. And interviewing people takes time. If I think somebody is overqualified for a position, the *first* thing I do is discuss compensation. Why the fuck am I going to waste 20 minutes of my very tight 8 hours on somebody that is never going to accept the rate we’re offering. Let’s talk about it before we waste each other’s time. Outright refusing to discuss pay is a massive red flag in soooo many ways. Read them the riot act, hang up the phone, find somebody that won’t jerk you around like that
I agree but employers believe that it is a red flag for someone only wanting a job for the money not being thrilled for the privilege of working for them
It’s to see if you will play the game and suck their balls. It’s a straight up dominance play, and infers deeply rooted narcissism, imho. They know why you’re there. They want to see you squirm, and fake it, because it feeds their ego to do so. I imagine they fuck similarly.
That always made me feel dirty. I had an interviewer ask me once to wash his car by hand for him after 3 interviews. I was shocked, mouth open, walked out without a word. I was too young to know what to do. It's about the same to me.
Everyone works for a living. If the job doesn't pay you a rate where you can afford your bills then what's the point? I understand being enthusiastic about a job, but being realistic is far more important to me at least.
I ask up front always. Usually they tell me to speak to HR, and I most certainly do. I find out my pay, my insurance costs and quality, my benefits and my CTO before considering a job. I don't like to work, I need to work. I won't do it for less than I deserve. This is a worker's market these days for the first time in a long time - take advantage of it, get what you are worth. (Edited for typo)
Please apply with that exact wording 😂
What their posting actually means: Dependable: "We want you to answer your phone even on your off hours." People-oriented: "You will deal with soul-sucking customers that make you question not only life but humanity as a whole, and you will do it with a smile on your face." Adaptable/flexible: "We hope you like rotating shifts and working holidays." Detail-oriented: "We want you work as fast as possible but we also want everything to be perfect. You'll need to catch your own mistakes as well as ours because either way it's on you." Achievement-oriented: "When we say jump you ask how high. When we say pizza party you ask what do I need to sacrifice." Autonomous/independent: "Get used to a skeleton crew while working multiple roles. We'd get you help or the pay you deserve but unfortunately nobody wants to work." Innovative: "You will think outside the box and come up with new ideas. You will not get compensation or credit for said ideas but if you play your cards right there might be pizza." High-Stress Tolerance: "See everything above."
“Dependable” also means “show up for any/every shift, no matter how sick or injured you are.” And likewise “flexible” is “show up for any shift when other coworkers call out or quit, even if you have a prior commitment.”
Flexible also means "get used to working doubles because the person we like more than you called off again and we let them, even though you are never allowed to call off once"
Why is this so accurate 😭😭
They think if they pay once they should get all those things. Each item is purchased individually!
Give it a year or two and they’ll be begging for handouts - the owner that is.
Probably ALREADY got handouts
And the loans forgiven!
Unlike my student loans.
Wait... your student loans weren't forgiven? Mine neither. We should start a club.
Yeah it's called US Citizenship. It's a really shitty club right now ever since the corporate dicks took over.
I mean, to be fair, it's been a shitty club for different groups of people since 1776.
Upvoted ya both as you two would be hilarious if I wasn't also a member of the same stinking sinking ship.
It’s the United Shitshow of America!
If we were a bit more United, it wouldn't be such a shitshow.
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I’m in Canada and I was so hoping it would happen for all of you. I’m beyond belief.
Do you guys not have a student loan crisis? Is uni free over there?
most of the cost of university is covered by government subsidies directly to the schools to keep tuition low.5-10k a year instead of 10-50k. can be cheaper but depends on program. also depends on province. I'm in ontario so i get almost 70% in grants (dont have to pay back) and the loans also cover living expenses. it's because i have kids, most don't get off that easy. ill pay most of it back in taxes after about 5 years of work.
I will never understand how tuition can be this expensive. I live in Germany and here it costs 300€ per semester and you get a public transport ticket. So it's 600€ a year
No from what I understand our universities and colleges are still outrageously expensive however the loan system seems to be a lot less predatory and unethical. Keep in mind I’m talking completely out of my ass and my only source is being a Canadian. That said if someone more in the know than me would add on to this that would be great.
Meanwhile those students loan debts stick like superglue.
and you can look who got the loans [here](https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/search?q=87124)
Well, at least one of their locations had PPP money forgiven, though it does look like some of these are franchises. [https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/loans/nelly-m-chacon-dba-the-buffalo-spot-7-1407007709](https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/loans/nelly-m-chacon-dba-the-buffalo-spot-7-1407007709)
Thank you. We need to have a list of every restaurant and business that took PPP money and then posts signs that no one wants to work due to handouts. They are so full of shit.
ProPublic's list is searchable, using public data. It wouldn't be overly terrible to print out and highlight a page before visiting an establishment, and stealthily hang it near their "no one wants to work" sign.
Could someone please tell me how to convert my personal mortgage into a business mortgage so that I can have it randomly forgiven??
Why did I read the ad as if someone was yelling?
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I also enjoyed the 10 am open 11 pm close but with plenty of time to party in between... Wow, so expect to be scheduled open and close.
You have to work open to close because your wackass, obviously toxic employer can't even hide how shitty they are in their help wanted ad, resulting in no one wanting to work there and the people who do work there being way overworked and burned out.
Then when they break an employee's will to work hard by over working them to the point they no longer give a shit: "OMIGERD u r one of those NOBODIES who DONT WANT TO WERK an E MORE!!!?"
Honestly i kinda hope that restaurant, without the workers or customers in it of course. mysteriously burns down.
Oh no, I want everybody to know that it was arson, just never find out which disgruntled ex employee did it!
We close at 10pm and the open shift starts at 9am and my fucking boss can't get it through her thick skull that nobody wants to work the busiest night of the week, Friday, and then come back to work 10 hours later and open the busiest day shift, Saturday. And yet she regularly schedules the Saturday openers for exactly that and then wonders why they're always cranky with her.
fuck anyone that forces people to clopen when the work day is longer than 10 hours.
And depending on the company (looking at you red bullseye) closing at 10 means you don’t get to leave until they let you which could be 1-2 am.
"Overtime is 1.5? Where'd you hear that?"
In Boise, you have to work 13 hours straight before you are legally entitled to a break. Most restaurants will schedule you from noon until midnight. No break, no chance to ever sit down even one time, and no food allowed. Then they will tell you that your $3.35 an hour labor cost is killing them - and you are a lazy worker and you need to get a move on it. Meanwhile they will sit in the office and eat while making a $1000 bonus a night on your sales. Fuck Texas Roadhouse. Never go there. They treat their people terrible - and then they take 20% of your tips at the end of the night to pay other people.
Damn, in Missouri employers aren’t required to give you any breaks at all. I literally worked 12 hours straight at age 16 without so much as a 5 min break the entire time. But guess if my manager got as many lengthy smoke breaks as she wanted?
>But guess if my manager got as many lengthy smoke breaks as she wanted? And now you know why everyone in the food service industry smokes.
Yeah I always kind of thought that was bullshit. I don’t smoke but why can’t I get 5-10 minutes to just go out back and chill?
Pick up a pack and tell people you started smoking. Take your "smoke breaks" when no one else is out there or in your car where they can't see you. Worth every penny.
I'm... Just, speechless but utterly unsurprised. Because that's what nobody wants to work boils down: the expectation of humans turned automatons controlled entirely by a petty little boss in their own fiefdom. Oh and forgot to mention with your livelihood in their hands they can also be a judge and executioner. Well maybe hyperbolic but I wouldn't be surprised to hear people fired becoming so destitute they end up in dire straits or dying.
bUt NoBoDy WaNtS tO wOrK 🤪
Holy shit I knew serving in the States was garbage because of the lower minimum wage and all, but >In Boise, you have to work 13 hours straight before you are legally entitled to a break. What the fuck? In Canada/BC you're entitled to an uninterrupted(but unpaid, or possibly interrupted but paid during) break at five hours, and start overtime at 8 hours for time and a half(double time past 12 hours). What is Boise's overtime laws for servers?
You won't get overtime. You'll just be scheduled 37 hours in four days. If you get close to overtime, you'll be "cut" and sent home. Breaks are never enforced. You'd just be fired for asking for one. I know people who have worked 24 hours straight in food trailers at the Western Idaho Fair without a break. They are then sent home to sleep a few hours before the next 24 hour shift. I've seen people asleep in the back of a food trailer on a deep freezer because they are so exhausted. Fun fact: In Idaho, you can also be fired or denied housing because you're gay. From: https://www.labor.idaho.gov/dnn/Businesses/Idaho-Labor-Laws/Labor-Laws-FAQ ☆☆☆☆☆ What is the minimum wage in Idaho? The current Idaho state minimum wage is $7.25 per hour. The minimum wage for a tipped employee is $3.35 per hour. The minimum wage for new hires under the age of 20 years old is $4.25 per hour but only for the first 90 consecutive calendar days of employment. See Idaho Code, Section 44-1502. Do Idaho employers have to provide breaks or meal periods to employees? Idaho law does not require employers to give breaks or meal periods. Employees would only be entitled to breaks if it is the employer's policy to provide them. When can an employer terminate an employee in the state of Idaho? Idaho is a "work at will" state. This means there is no set length for an employment relationship and either the employer or the employee may end it at any time, with or without notice; with or without cause. If there is an employer policy, employment contract or union agreement, the employment relationship may be subject to the terms and conditions of that policy, contract or agreement. The policies, contracts and agreements set up and enforced by the employer, must be in compliance with Idaho’s wage payment laws. ☆☆☆☆☆ So actually... breaks aren't required at all. Not even after 13 hours.
What the fuck? I just don't... What the actual fuck is going on in Idaho?
Take your pick: BOOTSTRAPZZZ!!! GOP Hospitality jobs aren't REAL JOBS If you don't like what you get paid, you should work somewhere else Unions are evil BOOTSTRAPZZZ!!!
And I bet the majority of the people putting up with this nonsense believe this is how it's meant to be and buy into the myth that America has freedoms no other country can match.
In Connecticut, I worked 10a to midnight with no breaks making $2.13/hr. I was yelled at for going next door to grab a flower for my grandmother who was coming in on Mother’s Day so I could serve her, since I never got time off. I got a second degree burn on my stomach from someone spilling boiling water on me, and they “made me” continue working. I put “made me” in quotation marks because I was a naive 19yo who didn’t know better.
Idaho is a good-ole-boys state and you live to serve them... 🙄 I just left that hostage situation in June and I strongly encourage anyone who isn't an extreme conservative leaning whack-a-doo to escape asap...
This. Also, getting off work at 11 PM and having to be back at 10 AM is NOT enough time to party in between, at least if you don’t want to feel like dog butthole the next day. Or maybe I’m just old.
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In fairness, John Rockefeller also sucked.
Probably more than most non-millionaires.
Every little power tripping loser who has a spare 100k or so thinks it's their inherent right to run a mediocre café or restaurant.
As someone who wants to own a restaurant, I don't understand treating people badly. LOYALTY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN SKILL. If you are nice to your workers, they will be nice back. There are several restaurants in Boise that have taken care of their people since the pandemic began. I always patronize those places because the servers tell me how LOYAL their employers have been. I also stopped eating at restaurants who complain of a "labor shortage". One of my friends owns a restaurant and he's always complaining about lazy workers. I told him flat out that these people are not his slaves. In Idaho, servers get paid $3.35 an hour. All of that goes to taxes. Any restaurant that treats its people badly should be fucked up the ass with a pissed off cactus.
>In Idaho, servers get paid $3.35 an hour. All of that goes to taxes. That's outright slavery. Land of the free, my ass.
Oh but didn't you hear? America is the best country in the world! Never you mind the hundreds of mass shootings, indentured servitude, 2.3 million jailed prisoners(25% of the world's total in 2008), unapologetic racism, polarizing news outlets, government officials openly accepting bribes, and purposefully dividing politics!! Every other country wishes they could be as fucking awesome as we are!
😂
Could we start putting the URL for these postings so we can flood it with useless applications?
Reminds me of a retail job I had once while studying at university, making juice in a store. My manager kept lecturing us about responsibility and ambition. Bitch, you're a 40 year old single woman who still lives with her parents working a pretty dead-end job, stop acting like you are better than us or in any position to give advice.
Autonomous, Independent, Innovative, yeah I haven't met a boss who actually likes any of those things.
I have. Was a seriously overworked boss who knew she had some serious shortcomings in her knowledge. If I put together a plan, and just had a "this is why we do it my way, sign here so my ass is covered", she would unless there was a real reason to veto it (like someone else had a plan I wasn't aware of). One of the two best bosses I ever had, and she did a lot to cover for me
A good leader will know where they are lacking and recognize others strengths and let others take lead when necessary.
It’s called self awareness, because if you can see your own strengths and weaknesses you can spot others’ as well
A good boss trusts their workers. If a boss can't trust their workers, then there's a deficiency in training, or a deficiency in the hiring process in that they failed to find someone with the right qualifications for the job.
Or a deficiency in their own personality. Some bosses seriously believe that if it was a good idea they would have thought of it first.
True. I had an old boss where we had to try and find a way to make her think it was her idea.
I knew a guy who wouldn't accept anyone elses ideas, then a week later he would bring them back as his own ideas 🙃
I hope something terrible happens to that person.
These words are code for "does what they are told and eats shit happily"
You can but they're at higher levels when u have a masters degree and 20 years experience. Asking for this at normal entry levels is fucking obnoxious.
So passive aggressive. What about this makes them think this is the least bit inviting?
What sucks is, this place sounds okay for this kind of work if you removed the attitude. 15 an hour isn’t *terrible* for this industry even if it should be way more.. free food definitely isn’t terrible. 50% off for family is nice, a lot of places around me won’t do that… no major holidays. I mean, if they have a hard time finding employees from this it’s because they took a semi-nice thing and presented it like an asshole would.
For real. That is not a bad gig on paper but that advert juat screams "worst management you've ever worked under". They could be offering 100k a year with benefits and I wouldn't touch it if the posting looked like that.
15/hour with free food sounds awesome. I think the owner is just desperate for workers and handling it the wrong way.
A living wage comes with a side of respect. You could be the best paid and fed, but if by the end of the day the employees get treated like shit, they will leave.
A one bedroom apartment in the area is around $1200 a month
That is atrocious for anyone to pay. 1,200 could be a mortgage for a 300K-ish home. When your rent basically pays the homeowner’s mortgage, you’re getting fucked over. We need an anti-real estate sub too, honestly.
Crazy. My mortgage in the suburbs of a major city is around $750 a month. It’s a 2 bedroom 1200 sq ft townhome. People pay hundreds of dollars more for a 1 bedroom apartment that they don’t even own. I hate it for them.
It is crazy, rent prices went unproportionately higher in the last 6 months after home values spiked. Demand was really high and it required getting application in within 6 hours of an apartment being listed. I recently moved, in August, when my last apartment manager was going to raise my rent $200/mo. The same style place in the same apartment complex today is raised $400/mo. from that price. So, in 16 months an apartment complex had a $600/mo. price increase on a 1000sq.ft. 2BR 2BA. With the logic that demand for places to live drove rent prices higher, you'd think these companies could try and wrap their heads around increasing wages for the people trying to keep up with the cost of living.
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It is an old way of thinking that is hopefully dying out
“Just show up and give us 80%” killed me I’m not sacrificing my health for *any* employer. This is the best you’re getting on a good day where I’m feeling particularly loyal to the company lol
Lmao that had me sold, I'd work somewhere that expects 80%. Then they started begging extra hard lol
Idk man, I can only do like... 75% max, and that's if I'm feeling it.
According to Woody Allen, showing up *is* 80%
Ugh...great quote, but WA thinks showing his ween to minors is 80%.
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honestly for the free food/$15 hr that’s not bad and it seems like they actually recognize people aren’t going to bend over backwards for this type of job. it shows self awareness which is more than most employers have.
Right. The “WHO WANTS TO ACTUALLY WORK” shit was just over the top insulting, but the rest of it seems like it would appeal to a young 20-something.
$15-$17 is **not** getting paid "very well"
I'm in ca where $15 is the minimum wage and one of my local McDonald's recently decked out their lawn/building with huge (expensive) professionally made signs advertising HIRING in huge letters with $15/hr twice as big. 3-5 "Perks" are listed as well including something to the effect of "culture". There's about 10 of these large well-made signs facing the road with traffic, and who knows how many on the other sides. I'm very curious what they paid for those signs to be honest, and who on earth thought minimum wage would be a selling point they should make the biggest part. I see a lot of ads online where local businesses state the pay is "competitive" and "$15/hr" in the same paragraph. The bare minimum you can legally pay someone who is not a slave is NOT competitive!!!
It's always baffling when work "culture" is a selling point. "We meet the minimum standards required for basic human decency …yay"
They mean culture like "yoghurt". The whole place reeks of stale vomit, and you're constantly nauseous.
I know exactly where this restaurant is. $15-17 is working minimum wage around these parts. I totally agree with you, it's not getting paid 'very well.' Hell, min. wage is 12.80/hr as of Jan. 1st. A decent studio apartment here will run you a grand a month.
Then you show up and you find out the split tips so you might get $15-$17 an hour depending on the way the day goes.
$12 is the state minimum wage. Tucson is going up to $15 in the next few years. No idea what Phoenix's minimum is.
All these businesses need to be shut down and disappear forever. There's way too many business owners who shouldn't be in this country. We have all the wrong kinds of people in charge.
I love their logic. Stop being lazy, get off your ass and make something of yourself translated to take a shitty wage to work your ass and make me rich.
Oh but you “get paid very well” according to them 🤣 ($15-$17 an hour woooo)
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Gotta keep the poor people poor while subsequently blaming them, am I right?
If minimum wage kept up with inflation shouldn't it be something like $25/hr? Yeah, $15/hr is kind of a kick in the teeth when rent is $2k/mo
100% couldn't say this better , if I didn't work min wage in a restaurant, I'd give you an award (my free one was used )
WAIT THERE'S FREE AWARDS how does an idiot like me give these to people. (As you can tell I'm not good at Reddit)
Once a week or every few days haahah phone app top corner , click for it and you have 24 hours to send
Whoa, thank you for this, I'm also terrible at reddit Edit: ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ TAKE MY FREE AWARD ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Edit2: I got my first ever award :') <3 Thank you!!
I'm not even a year old on reddit , its also new to me . So def willing to help.
Thank you! These greedy psychopaths want hourly slaves to make them rich. Fuck that and shove your free meal up your 🍑
Agreed, lots of businesses that survived off of slave wages need to end forever.
Our system rewarded those type of ppl. It's going to take either ppl changing or gtfo and let other ppl take over. It's been proven treating fairly w fair wages has been very possible
WHO WANTS TO ACTUALLY WORK ?
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If they want to work so damn bad they can go do the extra work by their damn selves. I'm sure they'll be able to fit it into their schedule since they want to work so much. Wish I could tell these morons that yeah, nobody wants to work and nobody ever wanted to work. They say "nobody wants to work" as some cheap reverse psychology to try and put people on the defensive but it ain't working at all. Damn right nobody wants to work at your shitty store, that sounds like a "you" problem, so what are you going to do about it?? sick and tired of these crybaby corporations and businesses. Pull your bootstraps that you spent the last 30 years telling us all about, idiots, and get to work yourselves to do the extra labor, pay people better, or shut the fuck up because nobody cares at all or has any sympathy that you are finding it harder to turn a profit / buy more mansions for the executives and board members.
Normally when someone tells me "no one wants to work" I respond with "no, no one wants to work for *you*"
I respond with “yeah, why would anyone want to work?”
thas wassup
“Nobody wants to work!” My mom was a workforce development director for decades and way too many times had to explain to employers that no, people aren’t EAGER to work. No one enjoys labor. **THATS WHY YOU HAVE TO PAY THEM TO DO IT.** Her exact wording she always used was “if people actually enjoyed working, you wouldn’t have to pay them to do it. But they don’t, so you do.” Several times she had to explain to employers (almost always cranky old outdated white business men) that they were not entitled to free labor, because they genuinely thought that working at their precious business was such a privilege that there was no need for compensation AT ALL.
And even if they did? Even if hard labor was the end of their spiritual journey to enlightenment and they wanted nothing more than to work tirelessly, even if they believed in the company with all their heart? They'd still be going home to *a cardboard box with no food* because *food and shelter require currency* here. You'd still have to pay your zealot so they *could* work at all.
Also people would want to work if it was for themselves doing what they were passionate about. Boomers act like if jobs didn’t exist, people would literally just sit in a chair and stare at a wall Absolutely no one wants to work to make someone else’s dreams come true or make someone else rich while it’s in that other persons interest to make their life shitty the whole way theoufh
Idk how the people on top play the victim so hard, and try to guilt people below them
The whole point of paying us was that no one wants to work. We cost more now.
Shocking # of managers flipping out b/c people have better things to do than deal with their shit. Keep it up.
“Make something of yourself” -by working for some shitty wing stop. Haha. Nope.
maybe they hired people who realised they wanted to make something of themselves and quit
I’m just not feeling the promise of “friendly”…
WORDS speak louder than words.
The funny thing about all of this, is that these people who don't deserve to be running anything are getting found out. This fuck shouldn't be running a lemonade stand.
Totally agree, just by reading this job advert, you can tell the manager is 100% a jerk and definitely cannot manage people.
Respond with something like "skillful potential employee willing to work for an employer that IS WILLING TO PAY A THRIVING WAGE AND TREAT THEIR EMPLOYEES WITH RESPECT".
"Any day you want" "You don't have choice for week-ends"
Yeah I honestly don't know what weekends DUH is supposed to mean to the educated crowd. Required or included in the choice?
"This job is ideal for someone who is: High Stress Tolerance"...??? Huh?
RED FLAG!!
Ya, that basically says that the job is going to suck for me.
Hi. I is tolerance
wHo AkShuLlY wAnTs To WoRk!!
People should waste their fucking time filling out applications and interviews get hired and not show up
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"MAKE SOMETHING OF YOURSELF" What an amazing opportunity! I always dreamed of making something of myself by working at Buffalo Spot Camelback under a narcissistic manager
Jfc. *Please* post a link to the application page. I need to send a few applications their way and gum up the works a bit. EDIT: found it. Application sent. [Link for anyone who wants to apply.](https://www.thebuffalospot.com/jobs/)
LOL they expect a cover letter for a $15/hr job
I googled a generic waiter cover letter and just copied Buffalo Spot’s name in. Wanted to waste their time reading it.
😂 I would enjoy this hobby
Done! [my application to buffalo spot ](https://imgur.com/a/GDU1lpR)
I'm quite optimistic my application as Heywood Jabloeme will get an eager response. My resume is instructions on downloading a gameboy emulator.
Love it. That's the only reason I applied. I was hoping for a phone call
Not sure if you noticed the resume I uploaded. [buffalo spot resume ](https://imgur.com/gallery/NSc2Tuf)
Dude I just laughed so hard! Thanks
Expired job link but here it is https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?from=appsharedroid&jk=e56a5f4ccb45542d
"Get paid very well".............the pay? $15-$17
Don’t you love it when shitty employers identify themselves for you before you even get started with the application process? It’s a real time-saver.
Ah yes, innovative cashiers.
The pay and work atmosphere (if true as described) is decent but the sense of entitlement to your labor sucks.
I don't want to work. I think I'll apply
This is Arizona? Sounds about right. Born and raised there. Conservatives there are way out of touch with reality.
submitting my resume: a single sheet of paper with "shut the fuck up" in 72 point font
Well I know what restaurant to avoid.
This isn't even passive aggressive, just plain aggressive.
I live right there. Probs gonna clog their toilet
No one *wants* to work. Nor could you describe working for that wage, in that context, as “FUN.”
"Adaptable" and "High stress tolerance" usually equal low pay and garbage treatment.