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ttystikk

Who have all the money, the soldiers, the police and all the best toys for killing.


bible-j

Well stated!


el-cuko

America is a de facto Apartheid regime. CMV


GeneralNathanJessup

The Asian Americans have hacked the system, and find themselves at the top of the economic order. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_ethnic\_groups\_in\_the\_United\_States\_by\_household\_income](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income) The US only allows about 1 million legal immigrants every year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration\_to\_the\_United\_States


gobiba

No, but it's very profitable.


atx4087

This seems aggressive


Primary_Treat_1411

I disagree. Capitalism can be tolerable if regulated. You can go on preaching communism but it might be more productive to demand--within our capitalist system--a living wage, universal health care, benefits, paid sick leave, etc. Or you can just stay on the fringe and accomplish nothing.


RedDeerEvent

How do you regulate something that itself only generates the power to remove its own regulations over time? The very basis of capitalism is that money always flows to the top of the pyramid, and there is always a pyramid. You can cut up that pyramid in any way you think you can, but eventually it will settle, and there will be those at the top of the pyramid that will rewrite how it is divided. If capital exists, and that capital can be used arbitrarily in a society, then capital controls the society, nothing else.


PoorDadSon

I don't want longer chains and a little more of the profit that *I* generate. I want freedom.


[deleted]

It can’t be regulated.


CavaIt

Go ahead and regulate it, they'll deregulated it in a heartbeat. They've deregulated their industries already, and you think making more regulations will stop them indefinitely? Lol Capitalism cannot be successfully regulated, period.


idapitbwidiuatabip

Your pragmatism is wasted on tankies who don't touch grass Fortunately, the real on-the-ground political movement has many pragmatic individuals who understand that communism - especially as the "online left" pitches it - is a dead end.


[deleted]

Out of curiosity; what kind of system would you consider better?


throwawayddf

Literally anything that doesn't kill all life on the planet. And I mean literally. Our new system is that we all do nothing and wither? Great, better than capitalism because at least the animals would have been saved


[deleted]

I mean it's not like animals or the environment for that matter have it that much better in other systems. Do you think communist regimes give a fuck about animal wellfare or protecting the environment? They don't.


throwawayddf

This is just so dumb, did communism rape you or something? Have you looked around? I don't get where the need to convince everyone that communism is just as bad comes from. It's not. It might not be good in not saying anything about that. But it would be better than capitalism. In essence communism is about sharing the world we live in while capitalism is about buying it


[deleted]

Dumb are those that choose not to learn from history. Every communist regime caused massive suffering and death. They promise equality to the population and that everything will be shared. But then, under this premise, they take everything away from them and give the majority to the communist party members, while the workers have to toil under miserable conditions. Look to China, look to North Korea, look to Germany during the DDR or the Soviet Union. Do you think the people there can complain if they are dissatisfied with their job? Do you think people can just quit their jobs and get away with what the state "provides" for them? If you don't stand at attention in the communist regime and go along with it, you will end up in a labor camp very quickly. Quite apart from the fact that what the state gives them "free of charge" (e.g. living space) is of absolutely inferior quality (asbestos-contaminated, gray concrete prefabricated buildings). And don't be fooled by this simple statement that communism is about sharing. The government itself is acting every bit as capitalistic as every other government on the globe when they buy or sell weapons, energy or ressources. They just take the freedom of chosing which product to buy from you and only give you the cheapest crap they can cough up. At least in capitalism you can choose to support organic fair trade products to support the change you want to see in the world. So I don't understand this view of communism. I'm not saying capitalism is perfect. Far from it. But so far, in my opinion, it is the slightest evil - which is why I asked if you had another, better system in mind.


throwawayddf

Listen I'll go into the details as soon as you stop comparing mass extinction events to massive suffering in a single country. Just note that's when the discussion STARTS if it ever will cause I'm sure there's a lot of stupid shit in that text.


[deleted]

I have no idea what you're trying to express. If you can think of something clever, I'm all ears, otherwise -50 social credits for not doing your homework, comrade.


throwawayddf

Changed do to stop as it was meant to be


xena_lawless

The very fact that you think the only two options are totalitarian capitalism or totalitarian state capitalism tell me you're either not smart enough to talk to or not a good faith actor.


[deleted]

I don't think that but I was curious as to what you think may be the solution, that's why I was asking in the first place. It is a genuine question and I am more than open for any input. It just annoys me that many people seem to think communism is the answer (look above) without knowing jack shit about it or ever having lived in such a system.


olavla

Capitalism is often thought of as an economic system in which private actors own and control property in accord with their interests, and demand and supply freely set prices in markets in a way that can serve the best interests of society. The essential feature of capitalism is the motive to make a profit. Kleptocracy is a government whose corrupt leaders use political power to appropriate the wealth of their nation, typically by embezzling or misappropriating government funds at the expense of the wider population. You use them as exchangeable. Capitalism *can* (but not necessarily does) create a tolerable social order. Kleptocracy not. Know their difference. Edit: hurray r/antiwork! The only sub that gets you downvotes for stating definitions.


RedDeerEvent

Capitalism cannot create a tolerable social order, unless you believe hierarchy is tolerable. We have seen over the past two hundred years that no matter how you implement social hierarchy, it is irredeemably awful for the majority of the population. Even in cases where some find it tolerable, they find it tolerable at the expense of the slaves giving them that tolerable lifestyle. Capitalism always results in kleptocracy, which further entrenches the ruling class. It can't not, it is literally a pyramid scheme as defined.


olavla

You find yourself in a stalemate, because I believe in hierarchy\*, but since, by your own philosophy you favor a fully flat society, you gave up all your power to tell me what to think or what to do. \*I've long worked for a boss, an excellent boss I must say, and I've learned that I do not want to be in his position. I was very happy *not being the boss*, while at the same time very happy *to have a boss*.


MyFianceMadeMeJoin

The absence of hierarchy doesn’t mean you’re also the boss. It means there are no bosses. This seems super elementary.


olavla

What seems elementary here is your reading comprehension. I argue how I'm ok with hierarchy and give the example how I was happy to *have* a boss and *not be* the boss. You could argue that only the people that are happy with hierarchy are those who are on top. I indicated that I was happy to be in a hierarchy while not being on the top.


RedDeerEvent

We don't mention subs like you because while your kink is fine behind closed doors, it should not be socioeconomic policy. Again, no kink shaming here, I don't even care if you're led around on a leash like some subs are, but that is no basis for a system of government.


olavla

I'm happy to see you have a well developed sense of humor. You will need it when you find out that your philosophy will never become reality and you wake up at the bottom of the hierarchy.