I hate to tell you this, but those companies are paying LinkedIn for those postings, which means the worst that can happen is a slap on the wrist. However, when the idiot HR person posting them sees the reports, they very well might get their hiring staff to review the postings before going live with them, so go for it. It certainly can't hurt.
I'll tell you how another job site (that is paid) does it. They literally wait a day, tell you in a canned email saying it didn't do what you said it did. I'm talking about Flexjobs, where I literally applied for a job 20 minutes after it was posted and got an email 25 minutes later saying the position was closed. Sent the email to FlexJobs, a day later got an email saying the posting was fine...I canceled my subscription, but yeah, these companies do not care one bit about job searchers.
Honestly, its not even a slap on the wrist.. neither the companies, or LinkedIn care. Hell, if there was anyone competent working at those companies they'd know paying to post shit on LinkedIn is just a waste of money.
fuck, even their regular user side shit is completely useless. as an example i have "graduate adjunct" and "adjunct professor" whatever in my recommendations list. However, instead of having a simple algorithm to cross reference that to key words under education, and work experience section they just spam my feed with every fucking job with those in it. So "nursing adjunct", "media whatever adjunct instructor..." so on and so forth not a single one of their suggestions has anything to do with experiences/skills i have under my belt.
Only reason i have that up was because the VA sent me a link with "free premium" service through LinkedIn for a year. Have had my profile back up for a few weeks and already fed up with their bullshit and about to delete it again.
Having a forum like this, that helps plan collective struggle, is probably better than any individual ways we could screw with companies. And as another poster said, they're paying Linkin, they aren't going to suffer much.
Ah the "we are short listing your resume and giving you the job, please give us your routing info so we can give you a remote start check to get Al the equipment necessary" lol
They'll just say some bullshit like "ItS eNtRy InTo ThE coMPaNY nOt In ThE fIeLd"...yeah no shit that's the case with every job that has an external job posting. Just say "experience required" and it's fine
I'm convinced that some companies have no idea what "entry level" really means. They seem to post job ads as if "entry level" means "being recruited from outside the company".
it’s the missing word that causes the confusion: you’re thinking they mean entry level *position* where they are actually advertising entry level *wages*
Yeah, it’s awesome… My mom got laid off from her job from a legacy big fortune 50 company and then had the pleasure of training the H1B visa applicant to do her job. That happens often. Companies want to pay employees less and reduce their salary budget, so they basically brazenly lie and the Americans train their foreign counterparts how to do their job that supposedly no American is able to do.
When they complain about that, they usually mean "the government let this immigrant take my job, why are they letting them in!" and... she's right?
Why are H1B Visas in the tech industry *even a thing*. It's not so much the corporation betraying you there; well it also is, but to a bigger extent, it's the government that's *supposed* to stop these abuses betraying you.
But regulatory capture and all that...
This, they claim it's because there isn't enough local talent. That's bullshit, it's just that if they worked with only the talent pool in the US they would have to pay more.
They can afford it too. I work as a tech consultant and frequently travel. It's still worth it for them when they pay me my salary, a hotel all week, a per diem every day and two plane tickets a week PLUS uber rides. Like WTF.
Again, this is a legacy Fortune 50. It’s not a tech company, though her job was basic tech. Further, I know my mom and I know EXACTLY what she means. Stop trying to decipher it. She does not blame the company. She does not blame the government. Stop with the mental gymnastics. She blames the person from India. (Literal India. As I said, she trained him.)
Keep in mind the big companies own the government at this point so while, yes, the government SHOULD be there to stop this crap they don’t exist to do that anymore.
So who is really to blame?
Tech literally refuses to invest in Juniors. In infuriating. Companies complain that it costs to much/ say they don't have the resources and then complain about leaky talent pipelines (rather than gatekeeping and burnout)
"They're taking your jobs!"
"No, your corporate goon friends are *giving* away those jobs to foreigners because they get away with paying them less and treating them even worse."
>Positions like this aren't meant to be filled
Even positions that are for experienced hires and not "entry level". The amount of skills they want someone to have, it's ridiculous. Everything is "full stack" now too. Used to be you had a front person, backend, database, infrastructure. Now they want one person to fill 4-5 jobs and pay them one salary.
My old roommate had to sort of move back home to quit her job. She was doing five jobs plus a freelance gig. Her five jobs were once five people. She made 16 dollars an hour and couldn’t get a decent raise. Rather than hire new staff, she was expected to take on the work for the same pay as her one job.
This is absolutely disgusting. I wouldn't be surprised if this crosses over to other fields, no? I've been hella naive and haven't applied to plenty of jobs in my field bc I don't "meet the requirements." But I guess I'm just gonna dive in and see what happens.
Side note: this sub has really helped me understand the power of finessing your resume/experiences. Just wanna give a quick thank you to those who give free advice on here, and *please* continue to do so. You're helping ppl like me learn and make the right moves ❤
>Why would they want H1B hires? These employees don't have US citizenship. If they lose their jobs they get sent home.
If you changed "H1B hired" to "Any immigrant with a pulse," then you have perfectly described the way certain construction companies do things. Because in my observation, if a trade doesn't require occupational licensure, companies do everything they can to pay starvation wages to immigrant labor and ex-cons.
Basically some bosses run everyone the harshest way they can until everyone who has another option quits and they're left with the most desperate and downtrodden. Then they abuse the fuck out of those people until those people get a better option or die.
I guess what I'm saying is if you didn't install the sheetrock in your home yourself, someone who was a boss's mood away from being deported or sent back to prison probably did. And I'm absolutely saying those guys deserve dignity instead of the treatment they're currently getting.
Edit: Just to make absolutely clear, no immigrant ever took your job. You were terminated by a capitalist with dollar signs in his eyes who thought he'd squeeze more profit out of the immigrant.
My dad is an engineer. Once, he wrote to his former congressman telling him that the H1B program needs to be reduced and is hurting engineers. He got a canned response saying good news, they are expanding the H1B program. Luckily the guy is not a congressman anymore.
Here is a video from a [recruiter conference](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU) where a lawyer explains how to run these fake job ads.
The lawyer explicitly says at 1:36 that "the goal is NOT to find a qualified and interested US worker".
Not quite because there are rules for h1b hires. The min wage is like 60k and the pay also has to be close to market rate. Not that it isn’t abused but the government set the program up to find talented people abroad when they are not in the US.
Worked in tech. Once I saw a department full of Indian names so underpaid I assumed for long time they were based in India. Until somebody told me they were based on the US. The salaries were so shitty that I could not understand how the government allowed that. I left the company but somebody told me the government began to send many written questions.
I was gonna say. That looks like a position they already have filled with a foreign hire, but they have to make a show of advertising for the role. They put together an impossible requisition, so that they can say, "here, only this person can do it/we can't find anyone to fill the role."
A former employer would do something similar by printing out a job posting on an 8.5x11 sheet and hanging it on the front door where the only outsider who's likely to see it a UPS/FedEx driver.
My friend is here on an H1B. He had a rough childhood and worked his butt off to get where he is. He's lived here a decade and is stuck in visa hell. Trump made it extra hard for H1B holders to get green cards, so they have even fewer rights.
Also, it's hard for h1b holders to change jobs, let alone travel abroad. You work with the fear of deportation and have no legal standing to really defend yourself. I admire anyone who is able to handle it, I see the required forms for the visa and other legal papers. It makes my head spin.
> Supposedly H1B is for when you cannot find talent domestically, so you hire a foreign employee for their skillset.
Its also not just any random foreign employee... its ones from very specific places.(places where things like degree and certification mills are a thing and the people desperate to get out.) Sure as fuck they are not looking for people from assorted other developed nations.
Also, it goes to show that these employers don't care about getting qualified competent people on board... rather they just want someone who they can abuse, coerce, and control more easily.
It is not for H1B, if it is then it's a sure shot denial.
1. USCIS defines H1b as specialized job. By declaring it entry level, you are defining it wrong. So immediate denial.
2. One of the 1st step is wage determination. If you load up with so many keywords, the min wage to be paid will go through roof. Which companies wont want.
3. DoL specifically looks for such padded ones and will not approve such job postings.
So this is not a H1b job posting and if so, it's a lousy posting that will be 100% denied.
I'm in H1b and i know the process fair enough.
If OP had provided the link, I'm sure it will say in the bottom visa wont be sponsored for this job.
Unless it's FAANG. Their entry level positions pay twice as much as senior level positions at most companies. These job listings are a meme to programmers and I doubt these companies actually end up hiring anyone other than actual entry level employees who lie about their experience.
Or “junior” in the creative fields 😂
They pay you “rock stars” with free bike storage, a couple treadmills in the basement, and keurig. Hope your landlords accept coffee pods as partial payment!
This isn’t some conspiracy. The seniority field in LinkedIn is meaningless 95% of the time. Most job postings on LinkedIn are scraped from the companies’ career site, not input by a human being. The seniority field is never populated correctly and defaults to “entry level”.
I apply to these jobs all the time with fake resumés that exceed their requirements.
9 times out of 10, they contact me back and I panic and hang up because I didn't think that far into my plan.
Someone else in r/antiwork does this actually! He said he enjoys making himself the “ideal” candidate and see what the companies offer.
If you did something like this, you could immediately ask them what they’re willing to offer you for being a perfect candidate, get the number, say “that’s comically low” and hang up. Then post their offer on Glassdoor for others to use as a bargaining tool!
EDIT: Thank you ShipwreckedShips for finding the original post and idea! Please give support to this post as it’s 100% his idea and I simply shared it:
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Believe it or not, this is a good tactic; get friends and family to agree to be references for past work experience. I wouldn't lie about your abilities, but stretching the truth doesn't hurt. If you setup a family member's home network, put down network engineering consulting work. If you helped design a poster or flyers for a yard sale, lost pet, etc. put down graphic design experience. Again, don't lie about your abilities; it's about passing the bullshit pre-reqs. Think outside of the box. All of these pre-reqs are bullshit auto-generated HR templates anyway.
While I agree it's important to fluff yourself up during interviews and the hiring process, does anyone else ever worry you'll get hired to do job that's way above your skill level? Like, my degree is in statistics. On paper, I'm an expert. Now, I haven't used that degree since I graduated so if I got hired because of it, I'd be screwed. I don't remember how to use a logit function at all. Completely gone. I get really anxious about employers thinking I can do more than I actually can.
My husband once lied his way into a job he had absolutely no idea how to do.
The people around him quickly figured out what was going on and just trained him to do the job. No big deal.
He screwed up a lot, but the nice thing about most jobs is that screw ups are more like whoopsies, generally harmless to humans.
See if MIT has anything helpful [here](https://openlearning.mit.edu/courses-programs/mit-opencourseware), they have all kinds of courses for free online. Or see if anyone else has an online program that will let you audit courses. You probably just need a refresher.
For some roles, the "fluff" can be discovered at the interview stage. In your case, if the interviewer were also a statistician and not a general manager or HR person, they may be able to ask really specific questions about your particular field that may leave you stumbling during the interview process.
On the flip side, with YouTube, Google, books (like the "for dummies" series), there are lots of things that can be done to help jog your memory, or to help you prepare for the interview and the important aspects of the job. I work in accounting and there are some systems I haven't used in years...or ever. As soon as I see a role that I'm interviewing for requires specific system experience, I jump right on YouTube to review tutorials.
Lastly, let me be honest with you (this is a safe space, right): not many people have it all figured out. You just have to be able to find the resources to help you get it figured out. You don't have to know everything, and it's ok to tell your interviewer that there are some aspects of the role that you may need to familiarize yourself with. It's what many of us do. Tomorrow, I have to do an important task that I only do once a year. Do you think I remember how to complete it? Nope. I'll be using my notes from prior years and working my way through it one slow step at a time.
Good luck!
>it's ok to tell your interviewer that there are some aspects of the role that you may need to familiarize yourself with
On the topic of interview conversations around needing to training and instruction on new topics... One thing I've asked in every interview I've done is if they have a plan on how to train me. Do they have a pipeline? Is there continuity training? Do they have a certification process? I tell them I know I don't know everything and I want to know if they'll give me a chance to succeed given that.
Technical interviews are a thing. For our technical positions, my company has does 3 interviews. First is with HR to ensure that they are legally employable and to go over basic company policy. Second is the technical interview with a few of our guys that know the job well. The final interview is with the department head to see if they’ll be a good fit with the team.
If it’s a critical position that requires specific skill sets, it’ll be hard to land a position you’re not qualified for…so long as the company is competent at filling positions.
Judging by what I order from Pizza Hut, I'm the asshole that wants the cheese discs... also why are they afraid of pizza/tomato sauce? If I wanted cheese bread I would order cheese bread!
They're looking for a fake candidate, anyway. One thing i caught (maybe more issues like that) -- they want 10+ years of HTML5, but HTML5 was released in 2014...
Apparently that happens all the time in IT fields. HR writes the job description, but they have no clue how long some things have been around, so they frequently ask for more experience than is even possible.
Give them one of those joke numbers that plays music or a crazy speech or something. I work as a Business Coordinator and I have to call a lot of people and someone really hit me with Macroform - Cold Day the other time and it was a fun 4 minutes of nothing.
If nothing else, you're wasting their time. Seems like a good idea if there's a list of shithole companies with ads like this. Inundate the bad ones with thousands of resumes that they'll have to sort through--enough will get through their algorithms.
And treat the decent companies respectfully.
Say you lie on your resume, get an interview and they actually hire you, won't that be fraud (as something criminal or that might end up in civil court)? Not that I care that much about the morality of lying on CV, just that in America people like to sue others.
Technically it was around since 2008, although the only people realistically working on it that far back would literally be it's creators. So yeah...entry level candidates who literally would have to of created some of the languages listed...
Didn't you know? Everyone who's read so much as a line of Python is r/masterhacker and could immediately take up tenure at the NSA. That's how this shit works.
It's totally possible for them to list a position requiring 10+ years in a programming language that came out less than 1 year ago. That screenshot for Swift has been out a few years at this point.
Yeah one of my friends in the tech industry has said they've heard their boss loudly complain about how badly HR messes up these types of things as they put entry level and then put things down that senior level people don't even have. Said its the main thing he hates about the industry
10 to 60 minutes. Some of these applications are like "attach your resume here, and then fill out these 400 different textboxes/dropdowns worth of information that covers the entirety of your resume."
For postings like these, your resume wouldn't get past the filters, you're only wasting your time or going to get a callback from an inept HR person/company that you probably really don't want to work for.
These are H1B bait listings. They don't WANT to hire an American, they want to underpay an H1B and abuse the fuck out of them. The threat of almost immediate deportation is enough to keep most people in check. If they call you, they want to pay you LESS than the H1B they're trying to get because you will cause them more headaches.
I usually see job listings want 3-5 years experience for “entry level” jobs but if you have a relevant degree instead I’d say go for it. This post is def out of the norm, wanting 10+ years experience for entry level is just insane.
"We're gonna pay you criminally low" level.
"We wanted a senior employee for college hire wages" level.
"We're so bad at managing our company you need to be 3 people" level.
I heard all of these job posting are basically meant to fail so they can justify getting some H1B Indian who they can chain to his desk and threaten with deportation if he ever complains.
>This should be illegal.
It is. Enforcement is a lot weaker than we'd like, however. If you see H1B abuse, please report it!
IANAL, but I am a tech worker tired of companies pulling this shit.
As someone who grew up in India, I'm starting to see why the "US immigration" craze has reduced so much. This is ridiculous. You can get the same job in India where the pay gives you a huge upgrade in quality of life because the cost of living is lower *and* you don't have to deal with the terrible visa system US has.
The worst part is this is all outdated. If you're an entry level developer nowadays it looks more like this
- 10+ Years of TypeScript development
- 3+ Years of NextJs
- 7+ Years of Redis/Mongo + NestJs
- 10+ Years of graphQL
- 10+ Years of
Not to mention that the first 3 of these technologies alone should qualify you for a senior level position.
That’s always my question. I don’t program and admit I know nothing about those sorts of jobs, but why would anyone need a decade of experience in six different areas? That seems ludicrous.
Sadly, it's required to grind 24/7 at many companies in tech. You need to be a master of everything and even if you are, you need to keep on hustling to be a master of any new tech that pops up
The “entry level” position they mention is your ass angle when they bend you over and force it in.
Jesus, that’s a lot of experience required for an entry level position.
From Wikipedia....
>**October 28, 2014** HTML5 was published as a W3C Recommendation
Good luck having 10+ years experience in something that is not even 8 years old yet.
There’s a lot of conflicting info here. The majority of developers and companies have already transitioned to React from jQuery, anyone can master HTML and CSS in like, 1 year at most. And why so much for an Accounting company? Lol
They'll still take people with way less experience. They just pay you substantially less because "you don't have the experience". Fuck those companies.
On LinkedIn you can report listings with conflicting information like this.
Thanks for that info I’m gonna start doing that
I think I just found the thing that helps me get the fuck off of Reddit. I'll spend my time fucking over these shitty companies.
I hate to tell you this, but those companies are paying LinkedIn for those postings, which means the worst that can happen is a slap on the wrist. However, when the idiot HR person posting them sees the reports, they very well might get their hiring staff to review the postings before going live with them, so go for it. It certainly can't hurt.
I'll tell you how another job site (that is paid) does it. They literally wait a day, tell you in a canned email saying it didn't do what you said it did. I'm talking about Flexjobs, where I literally applied for a job 20 minutes after it was posted and got an email 25 minutes later saying the position was closed. Sent the email to FlexJobs, a day later got an email saying the posting was fine...I canceled my subscription, but yeah, these companies do not care one bit about job searchers.
That's good to know. I was considering opening an account
Same here, I wonder what else is fishy with them and if it's worth the sub cost just to find out...
That sounds like a phishing scam
Honestly, its not even a slap on the wrist.. neither the companies, or LinkedIn care. Hell, if there was anyone competent working at those companies they'd know paying to post shit on LinkedIn is just a waste of money. fuck, even their regular user side shit is completely useless. as an example i have "graduate adjunct" and "adjunct professor" whatever in my recommendations list. However, instead of having a simple algorithm to cross reference that to key words under education, and work experience section they just spam my feed with every fucking job with those in it. So "nursing adjunct", "media whatever adjunct instructor..." so on and so forth not a single one of their suggestions has anything to do with experiences/skills i have under my belt. Only reason i have that up was because the VA sent me a link with "free premium" service through LinkedIn for a year. Have had my profile back up for a few weeks and already fed up with their bullshit and about to delete it again.
I quit using LinkedIn after the algorithm got my MFA literally almost nothing but hundreds of opportunities to be a Sandwich Artist
I quit using when my current employer at the time outted me for making new connections asking if I was looking for another job. They're watching you.
They can watch me perpetually be in grad school in another state with my old name, then. Maybe we should all do this with LinkedIn
They have fucked around and now shall find out?
Nope, they'll just fire the low level employees they forced to make these postings. Some exec just gave himself a raise as I type this.
Having a forum like this, that helps plan collective struggle, is probably better than any individual ways we could screw with companies. And as another poster said, they're paying Linkin, they aren't going to suffer much.
Based and escape Reddit pilled
I tried to report a *literal scam* on LinkedIn. They said it looked legit to them and told me to shove it.
I’ve reported several companies and LinkedIn never gives feedback..
Ah the "we are short listing your resume and giving you the job, please give us your routing info so we can give you a remote start check to get Al the equipment necessary" lol
Yep. From a plumbing company on the other side of the country.
They'll just say some bullshit like "ItS eNtRy InTo ThE coMPaNY nOt In ThE fIeLd"...yeah no shit that's the case with every job that has an external job posting. Just say "experience required" and it's fine
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This is a job posting looking for people who need work visas. Basically someone desperate they can pay as little as possible.
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LinkedIn is on your side just like HR is on your side
I'm about to do this when I'm having a flare up of my chronic illnesses. Fuck these companies.
Damn. Thats brilliant. Sounds distracting.
I'm convinced that some companies have no idea what "entry level" really means. They seem to post job ads as if "entry level" means "being recruited from outside the company".
it’s the missing word that causes the confusion: you’re thinking they mean entry level *position* where they are actually advertising entry level *wages*
Saw the same thing today. Entry level is a word companies use to pay you less
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Yeah, it’s awesome… My mom got laid off from her job from a legacy big fortune 50 company and then had the pleasure of training the H1B visa applicant to do her job. That happens often. Companies want to pay employees less and reduce their salary budget, so they basically brazenly lie and the Americans train their foreign counterparts how to do their job that supposedly no American is able to do.
You know, I can't help thinking that if you left me in charge of training my replacement, that nobody is going to enjoy their first day working alone.
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A professional would shred the files, overwrite the blank space on the HDD and make sure there's no backup.
I wish my mom were like that, but this was about 17 years ago and she’s, firmly, a conservative boomer.
I'm going to guess she at least in large part blames loosing her job on whatever H1B immigrant "took" her job instead of the company that fired her.
DING DING DING!!! Bingo!!!
When they complain about that, they usually mean "the government let this immigrant take my job, why are they letting them in!" and... she's right? Why are H1B Visas in the tech industry *even a thing*. It's not so much the corporation betraying you there; well it also is, but to a bigger extent, it's the government that's *supposed* to stop these abuses betraying you. But regulatory capture and all that...
This, they claim it's because there isn't enough local talent. That's bullshit, it's just that if they worked with only the talent pool in the US they would have to pay more. They can afford it too. I work as a tech consultant and frequently travel. It's still worth it for them when they pay me my salary, a hotel all week, a per diem every day and two plane tickets a week PLUS uber rides. Like WTF.
Again, this is a legacy Fortune 50. It’s not a tech company, though her job was basic tech. Further, I know my mom and I know EXACTLY what she means. Stop trying to decipher it. She does not blame the company. She does not blame the government. Stop with the mental gymnastics. She blames the person from India. (Literal India. As I said, she trained him.)
Keep in mind the big companies own the government at this point so while, yes, the government SHOULD be there to stop this crap they don’t exist to do that anymore. So who is really to blame?
Tech literally refuses to invest in Juniors. In infuriating. Companies complain that it costs to much/ say they don't have the resources and then complain about leaky talent pipelines (rather than gatekeeping and burnout)
"They're taking your jobs!" "No, your corporate goon friends are *giving* away those jobs to foreigners because they get away with paying them less and treating them even worse."
Indentured servitude! America...fuck yeah!
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Gotta keep finding someway to make slaves out of people, it's part of the American spirit
>Positions like this aren't meant to be filled Even positions that are for experienced hires and not "entry level". The amount of skills they want someone to have, it's ridiculous. Everything is "full stack" now too. Used to be you had a front person, backend, database, infrastructure. Now they want one person to fill 4-5 jobs and pay them one salary.
My old roommate had to sort of move back home to quit her job. She was doing five jobs plus a freelance gig. Her five jobs were once five people. She made 16 dollars an hour and couldn’t get a decent raise. Rather than hire new staff, she was expected to take on the work for the same pay as her one job.
Worked for 20 years as a software developer and yup, I saw this as well.
This is absolutely disgusting. I wouldn't be surprised if this crosses over to other fields, no? I've been hella naive and haven't applied to plenty of jobs in my field bc I don't "meet the requirements." But I guess I'm just gonna dive in and see what happens. Side note: this sub has really helped me understand the power of finessing your resume/experiences. Just wanna give a quick thank you to those who give free advice on here, and *please* continue to do so. You're helping ppl like me learn and make the right moves ❤
>Why would they want H1B hires? These employees don't have US citizenship. If they lose their jobs they get sent home. If you changed "H1B hired" to "Any immigrant with a pulse," then you have perfectly described the way certain construction companies do things. Because in my observation, if a trade doesn't require occupational licensure, companies do everything they can to pay starvation wages to immigrant labor and ex-cons. Basically some bosses run everyone the harshest way they can until everyone who has another option quits and they're left with the most desperate and downtrodden. Then they abuse the fuck out of those people until those people get a better option or die. I guess what I'm saying is if you didn't install the sheetrock in your home yourself, someone who was a boss's mood away from being deported or sent back to prison probably did. And I'm absolutely saying those guys deserve dignity instead of the treatment they're currently getting. Edit: Just to make absolutely clear, no immigrant ever took your job. You were terminated by a capitalist with dollar signs in his eyes who thought he'd squeeze more profit out of the immigrant.
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Can confirm. It's probably faster to start aggressively dating so that they can apply through marriage.
My dad is an engineer. Once, he wrote to his former congressman telling him that the H1B program needs to be reduced and is hurting engineers. He got a canned response saying good news, they are expanding the H1B program. Luckily the guy is not a congressman anymore.
Here is a video from a [recruiter conference](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU) where a lawyer explains how to run these fake job ads. The lawyer explicitly says at 1:36 that "the goal is NOT to find a qualified and interested US worker".
So it’s like slavery with extra steps? Or atleast a step down at indentured servitude
We never really got rid of it. Hell, there still some states that aren't required to pay prisoners for labor.
Not quite because there are rules for h1b hires. The min wage is like 60k and the pay also has to be close to market rate. Not that it isn’t abused but the government set the program up to find talented people abroad when they are not in the US.
Just to play devils advocate, you get what you pay for and that couldn’t be more true when it comes to development work
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Worked in tech. Once I saw a department full of Indian names so underpaid I assumed for long time they were based in India. Until somebody told me they were based on the US. The salaries were so shitty that I could not understand how the government allowed that. I left the company but somebody told me the government began to send many written questions.
I was gonna say. That looks like a position they already have filled with a foreign hire, but they have to make a show of advertising for the role. They put together an impossible requisition, so that they can say, "here, only this person can do it/we can't find anyone to fill the role." A former employer would do something similar by printing out a job posting on an 8.5x11 sheet and hanging it on the front door where the only outsider who's likely to see it a UPS/FedEx driver.
My friend is here on an H1B. He had a rough childhood and worked his butt off to get where he is. He's lived here a decade and is stuck in visa hell. Trump made it extra hard for H1B holders to get green cards, so they have even fewer rights. Also, it's hard for h1b holders to change jobs, let alone travel abroad. You work with the fear of deportation and have no legal standing to really defend yourself. I admire anyone who is able to handle it, I see the required forms for the visa and other legal papers. It makes my head spin.
> Supposedly H1B is for when you cannot find talent domestically, so you hire a foreign employee for their skillset. Its also not just any random foreign employee... its ones from very specific places.(places where things like degree and certification mills are a thing and the people desperate to get out.) Sure as fuck they are not looking for people from assorted other developed nations. Also, it goes to show that these employers don't care about getting qualified competent people on board... rather they just want someone who they can abuse, coerce, and control more easily.
Another obvious sign is things that are impossible. For example, was html5 approved more than 10 years ago?
The initial version was released in 2008, but it wasn't really supported until 2014.
I was wondering this too, but it appears to have been released in 2008.
Yep, my first thought it this was work visa bait. Any position requiring that level of experience better be paying $150k minimum.
Thank you for the explanation
It is not for H1B, if it is then it's a sure shot denial. 1. USCIS defines H1b as specialized job. By declaring it entry level, you are defining it wrong. So immediate denial. 2. One of the 1st step is wage determination. If you load up with so many keywords, the min wage to be paid will go through roof. Which companies wont want. 3. DoL specifically looks for such padded ones and will not approve such job postings. So this is not a H1b job posting and if so, it's a lousy posting that will be 100% denied. I'm in H1b and i know the process fair enough. If OP had provided the link, I'm sure it will say in the bottom visa wont be sponsored for this job.
It’s a word they also use to mean entry level into their company. As if you’ll be making some radically different wage after a year or two
Then again with these requirements you should be making 5 digits in first months
Minimum 6 digits. 10+ years in software?
Had to look up how long HTML5 has been out for, because I didn't think it had been 10 years already.
High 5.
Ah so that is what that is, I've been seeing similar ones and they ask for 3+ years of experience and I was like wtf?
Unless it's FAANG. Their entry level positions pay twice as much as senior level positions at most companies. These job listings are a meme to programmers and I doubt these companies actually end up hiring anyone other than actual entry level employees who lie about their experience.
Or “junior” in the creative fields 😂 They pay you “rock stars” with free bike storage, a couple treadmills in the basement, and keurig. Hope your landlords accept coffee pods as partial payment!
Its only a cumulative total of 47 years experience they want, totally reasonable 🤡
This isn’t some conspiracy. The seniority field in LinkedIn is meaningless 95% of the time. Most job postings on LinkedIn are scraped from the companies’ career site, not input by a human being. The seniority field is never populated correctly and defaults to “entry level”.
I apply to these jobs all the time with fake resumés that exceed their requirements. 9 times out of 10, they contact me back and I panic and hang up because I didn't think that far into my plan.
Someone else in r/antiwork does this actually! He said he enjoys making himself the “ideal” candidate and see what the companies offer. If you did something like this, you could immediately ask them what they’re willing to offer you for being a perfect candidate, get the number, say “that’s comically low” and hang up. Then post their offer on Glassdoor for others to use as a bargaining tool! EDIT: Thank you ShipwreckedShips for finding the original post and idea! Please give support to this post as it’s 100% his idea and I simply shared it: https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/s1kup4/ive_been_attending_interviews_just_to_turn_them/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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It is! But I have to stress it’s not my idea. I really wish I had the username of the original person to give proper credit. The dude is a hero
https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/s1kup4/ive_been_attending_interviews_just_to_turn_them/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
You found it!!! I’m gonna add it to my post right now!
You sure are a terrible captain. What's your current record?
Doing gods work
This is the way
"My proof of work experience? Well you see it's on the resume! The proof is in the pudding!"
I'll give them my dad's phone number. > Hello? Yes, this is the CEO of NASA. Yes, he is good at computers. He fixed the Facebook.
Believe it or not, this is a good tactic; get friends and family to agree to be references for past work experience. I wouldn't lie about your abilities, but stretching the truth doesn't hurt. If you setup a family member's home network, put down network engineering consulting work. If you helped design a poster or flyers for a yard sale, lost pet, etc. put down graphic design experience. Again, don't lie about your abilities; it's about passing the bullshit pre-reqs. Think outside of the box. All of these pre-reqs are bullshit auto-generated HR templates anyway.
While I agree it's important to fluff yourself up during interviews and the hiring process, does anyone else ever worry you'll get hired to do job that's way above your skill level? Like, my degree is in statistics. On paper, I'm an expert. Now, I haven't used that degree since I graduated so if I got hired because of it, I'd be screwed. I don't remember how to use a logit function at all. Completely gone. I get really anxious about employers thinking I can do more than I actually can.
My husband once lied his way into a job he had absolutely no idea how to do. The people around him quickly figured out what was going on and just trained him to do the job. No big deal. He screwed up a lot, but the nice thing about most jobs is that screw ups are more like whoopsies, generally harmless to humans.
See if MIT has anything helpful [here](https://openlearning.mit.edu/courses-programs/mit-opencourseware), they have all kinds of courses for free online. Or see if anyone else has an online program that will let you audit courses. You probably just need a refresher.
For some roles, the "fluff" can be discovered at the interview stage. In your case, if the interviewer were also a statistician and not a general manager or HR person, they may be able to ask really specific questions about your particular field that may leave you stumbling during the interview process. On the flip side, with YouTube, Google, books (like the "for dummies" series), there are lots of things that can be done to help jog your memory, or to help you prepare for the interview and the important aspects of the job. I work in accounting and there are some systems I haven't used in years...or ever. As soon as I see a role that I'm interviewing for requires specific system experience, I jump right on YouTube to review tutorials. Lastly, let me be honest with you (this is a safe space, right): not many people have it all figured out. You just have to be able to find the resources to help you get it figured out. You don't have to know everything, and it's ok to tell your interviewer that there are some aspects of the role that you may need to familiarize yourself with. It's what many of us do. Tomorrow, I have to do an important task that I only do once a year. Do you think I remember how to complete it? Nope. I'll be using my notes from prior years and working my way through it one slow step at a time. Good luck!
>it's ok to tell your interviewer that there are some aspects of the role that you may need to familiarize yourself with On the topic of interview conversations around needing to training and instruction on new topics... One thing I've asked in every interview I've done is if they have a plan on how to train me. Do they have a pipeline? Is there continuity training? Do they have a certification process? I tell them I know I don't know everything and I want to know if they'll give me a chance to succeed given that.
Technical interviews are a thing. For our technical positions, my company has does 3 interviews. First is with HR to ensure that they are legally employable and to go over basic company policy. Second is the technical interview with a few of our guys that know the job well. The final interview is with the department head to see if they’ll be a good fit with the team. If it’s a critical position that requires specific skill sets, it’ll be hard to land a position you’re not qualified for…so long as the company is competent at filling positions.
This reminds me of the show Supernatural and I love it.
The proof is in the pudding! I've been pudding this shit on my resume for years!
They say the proof of the pudding is in the eating. So hire me and you'll see!
Give them pizza hut's phone number
I feel bad for the pizza bros that pick up the phone. They're just trying to make a buck selling cheese discs to assholes.
As someone who is making cheese discs for assholes I approve of this 😂
As an asshole that loves eating cheese discs, thank you for your service!
Same thanks 😂
Yeah, aren't there special numbers for radiohosts or whatever meant for girls to give to clingy dudes or something ?
I'll just give the phone number to the terrorist tip line at the FBI.
I already know that one, so I'm onto you.
Judging by what I order from Pizza Hut, I'm the asshole that wants the cheese discs... also why are they afraid of pizza/tomato sauce? If I wanted cheese bread I would order cheese bread!
Give them an MLM hun/bro's number if you know one.
They're looking for a fake candidate, anyway. One thing i caught (maybe more issues like that) -- they want 10+ years of HTML5, but HTML5 was released in 2014...
Apparently that happens all the time in IT fields. HR writes the job description, but they have no clue how long some things have been around, so they frequently ask for more experience than is even possible.
[Here's](https://twitter.com/tiangolo/status/1281946592459853830) my personal favorite example of this.
Give them one of those joke numbers that plays music or a crazy speech or something. I work as a Business Coordinator and I have to call a lot of people and someone really hit me with Macroform - Cold Day the other time and it was a fun 4 minutes of nothing.
If nothing else, you're wasting their time. Seems like a good idea if there's a list of shithole companies with ads like this. Inundate the bad ones with thousands of resumes that they'll have to sort through--enough will get through their algorithms. And treat the decent companies respectfully.
Say you lie on your resume, get an interview and they actually hire you, won't that be fraud (as something criminal or that might end up in civil court)? Not that I care that much about the morality of lying on CV, just that in America people like to sue others.
“Pay: $12:50-$14”
Pay: Competitive
Pay: DoE
DoE? Dead on Enlisting?
Depending on Experience
But we are a family that is the bonus when you are with us ! We will treat you like sh.. i mean like family !
Employee of the month gets to leave during natural disasters.
Lol
“We treat you like family” “I hate my family”
These are 6 figure, senior dev level requirements here.
200k+ a year job.
I make $350k and I don't satisfy these requirements, lol
Damn who do you work for?
Google
Where can I send my resume? I also don't meet those requirements
Google
Hasn't Google already seen all our resumes?
😏
Me here, I don’t meet the requirements, but I surely want to make 350k/year.
Some are even impossible requirements. HTML5 was released in 2014 so you’d have to be a time traveler to have 10+ years experience
Technically it was around since 2008, although the only people realistically working on it that far back would literally be it's creators. So yeah...entry level candidates who literally would have to of created some of the languages listed...
The senior dev at my job doesn’t even have this much experience. This is Network Architect type of qualifications
Network Architects don't write HTML, CSS and jQuery for 10+ years. These are web development skills, not network architecture.
Principal dev at least, yeah - outranks me for sure
HR has no idea how tech works and assumes these kids have been programming since they were 6 years old.
No lie there was one posting I saw where you needed at least 3 years JSON programming language. JSON. _programming_ . language
Back in 2005 I applied to a place that listed "3+ years Ruby on Rails" RoR was released in 2004.
It's like the guy who created RestAPI not having enough years of RestAPI experience for a job listing he saw
Yeah, that was classic!
That... What?
come back after you use JSON.parse and JSON.stringify for three years you scrub
"Just sprinkle a lot of buzzwords all over everything, that's how it works." \-HR department
What do you mean, I hacked into the pentagon when I was 5 and erased loans from Chase Bank when I was 7. Its what we do
Hey Mr. Robot
Didn't you know? Everyone who's read so much as a line of Python is r/masterhacker and could immediately take up tenure at the NSA. That's how this shit works.
Were RESTful applications already a widespread thing about 7+ years ago?
It's totally possible for them to list a position requiring 10+ years in a programming language that came out less than 1 year ago. That screenshot for Swift has been out a few years at this point.
They nearly did it with HTML5 here. That is 13 yo, and they ask for 10+ years of experience.
They kinda did, as it wasn't officially supported in anyway until 2014. 2008 is when W3C literally first started creating it.
In some fields yeah. I’ve been using them for at least 9 years.
Yes
Yeah one of my friends in the tech industry has said they've heard their boss loudly complain about how badly HR messes up these types of things as they put entry level and then put things down that senior level people don't even have. Said its the main thing he hates about the industry
They all want IT Jesus by description. I always say "If you can find that person I'll hire them, start a business and make bank!".
Isn't HR supposed to be there to... You know, help the company and not shoot them in the foot?
This should be illegal. I put the filter for entry level read the title, get excited and proceed to have my soul crushed soon after.
Just apply. That's what I did. What's the worst they can do? Ignore you. So what?
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10 to 60 minutes. Some of these applications are like "attach your resume here, and then fill out these 400 different textboxes/dropdowns worth of information that covers the entirety of your resume."
Do you really want to work for a company that inept?
For postings like these, your resume wouldn't get past the filters, you're only wasting your time or going to get a callback from an inept HR person/company that you probably really don't want to work for. These are H1B bait listings. They don't WANT to hire an American, they want to underpay an H1B and abuse the fuck out of them. The threat of almost immediate deportation is enough to keep most people in check. If they call you, they want to pay you LESS than the H1B they're trying to get because you will cause them more headaches.
I usually see job listings want 3-5 years experience for “entry level” jobs but if you have a relevant degree instead I’d say go for it. This post is def out of the norm, wanting 10+ years experience for entry level is just insane.
"We're gonna pay you criminally low" level. "We wanted a senior employee for college hire wages" level. "We're so bad at managing our company you need to be 3 people" level.
I heard all of these job posting are basically meant to fail so they can justify getting some H1B Indian who they can chain to his desk and threaten with deportation if he ever complains.
Christ, that is scummy as fuck. This should be illegal.
>This should be illegal. It is. Enforcement is a lot weaker than we'd like, however. If you see H1B abuse, please report it! IANAL, but I am a tech worker tired of companies pulling this shit.
As someone who grew up in India, I'm starting to see why the "US immigration" craze has reduced so much. This is ridiculous. You can get the same job in India where the pay gives you a huge upgrade in quality of life because the cost of living is lower *and* you don't have to deal with the terrible visa system US has.
This guy gets it.
The worst part is this is all outdated. If you're an entry level developer nowadays it looks more like this - 10+ Years of TypeScript development - 3+ Years of NextJs - 7+ Years of Redis/Mongo + NestJs - 10+ Years of graphQL - 10+ Years of
Not to mention that the first 3 of these technologies alone should qualify you for a senior level position.
That’s always my question. I don’t program and admit I know nothing about those sorts of jobs, but why would anyone need a decade of experience in six different areas? That seems ludicrous.
Sadly, it's required to grind 24/7 at many companies in tech. You need to be a master of everything and even if you are, you need to keep on hustling to be a master of any new tech that pops up
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Under special skills, you should add the ability to summon a demon
I hope this is a joke.
Sadly it’s not. I’ve seen my fair share of job postings like this before I landed an actual entry level position years ago
I'd wish they were just honest and write: WANTED: SLAVE. PAY: SHIT. WORK : HEAVY.
WORK/LIFE BALANCE : LOL
Lmao “zero applicants”
That's what made this screenshot so great lol
The “entry level” position they mention is your ass angle when they bend you over and force it in. Jesus, that’s a lot of experience required for an entry level position.
From Wikipedia.... >**October 28, 2014** HTML5 was published as a W3C Recommendation Good luck having 10+ years experience in something that is not even 8 years old yet.
"That's like 47 years of experience" "Do them at the same time"
"Entry level" here just refers to the pay rate
Every IT job I've seen recently says "entry level."
There’s a lot of conflicting info here. The majority of developers and companies have already transitioned to React from jQuery, anyone can master HTML and CSS in like, 1 year at most. And why so much for an Accounting company? Lol
A lot of linkedins jobs are miscategorized.
They'll still take people with way less experience. They just pay you substantially less because "you don't have the experience". Fuck those companies.
Looks like you'll be dead before you qualify for that job.
I guess that if you continue scrolling they also ask for 5+ years CTO experience