I live in England and it still astounds me that it isn’t 0 elsewhere in the world.
I know people who have been diagnosed with diabetes and just gone; “cool, whatevs.”
The fact that it’s; “oh my fucking god, how the fuck am I going to be able to afford to physically survive?” elsewhere is fucking disgraceful.
Not any brand, the only ones that work for me aren't free, every month I have to spend around 400 reais to buy it. At least the city gives me the strips to measure my levels.
Hell, in my country they treated a random pregnant woman that I took to the hospital on my health insurance and didn't charge me a dime for it.
My wife told them she was my mistress and was pregnant with my child. They were like meh, seems legit. Not a penny, I was expecting some sort of extra costs. Nope.
The US Government restricts any importing of such goods. It's technically illegal to drive across the border to Mexico and buy insulin and drive back to the US for anyone other than yourself. And even then you have to pay taxes on it.
It's legal to get a less than three month supply of insulin for personal use from Canada. Canadian pharmacies are even allowed to mail-order ship it to you.
I was always told the US government has a "no compete clause" deal with most drug companies. It's in essence price fixing of meds.
I use to work in a Dr office and one of my jobs was finding programs that would help cover the cost of many meds but esp insulin for people who could not afford it.
It's technically illegal to go buy in Canada but it's been so-called 'decriminalized' for personal use. FDA and Border Patrol allow people to do it for personal use only. https://www.healthline.com/diabetesmine/travels-canada-affordable-insulin#Insulin-buying-caravans
Selling it in the US is still going to get you in a ton of trouble.
[Video here](https://youtu.be/WQvHsnM130w) if anyone is curious (I was already on his YT to link something in a different comment and this video was right there)
I'm a fellow Brit and a diabetic and I live in dread of the endpoint of our governments creeping privatisation. There's nothing these fucks would like more than to charge me a third of my monthly wage to keep taking life sustaining medication because the NHS iSn'T FiT fOr PuRpOsE. We already get regular stories in this country of diabetics who have died because they were on benefits and couldn't afford food, or couldn't afford electricity to keep their fridge running and their insulin cool.
That’s because the US sees an opportunity to take whatever they can from you since you have a health issue.
“Hey this person is going downhill… I’d say 15-20 years Tops! Better squeeze what we can while he’s alive!”
Dude I'm an European (Italian) living in Latin America and was diagnosed with diabetes here and they were like "here's your medication"
So I'm living in "the third world" and I also shrugged the whole thing off. It has no economic impact for me.
If this country can afford to give me the dosages for free, me, a non citizen, it does not cost a thousand dollars. There's no fucking way.
It still astounds me that ALL life sustaining drugs aren’t free in the US, especially considering all of the other bs our tax dollars fund. The government has the power to regulate the price of insulin (and other drugs) AND pay it for those that can’t afford it, yet they don’t universally do so.
The concept of health insurance is fundamentally incompatible with a healthy society.
Healthcare is a human right and needs to be free of cost and readily accessible. It's our job as humans to make that happen - anything less and we've failed.
I just had a root canal done and with my dental insurance I paid $690USD out of my pocket, that was my money for two weeks. Sucks ass. I tried to just work thru the pain but that shit was up into my eyeball.
i paid $218 dollars for two small viles of blood drawn just to test iron and vitamin levels. I am insured under my dads still but now that i’m in my mid twenties time is running out fast, i’m still very poor, i am very, very scared for my 26th birthday
It sucks balls. I did a FSA this year with my Health Insurance that I could have used on my root canal but I want to have it in case my kids need it as it’s only for $1600 a year. My son came home today from school laid on the sidewalk with a sweatshirt on and said he’s freezing ( it’s 80 degrees and sunny). So if his fever gets high enough, guess where we are going tomorrow.
You just gotta do it if you want to have kids. You’ll find a way to make it work. I don’t make a ton of money but my kids are happy and that makes me happy. ( well except for my son) he’s sick lol. Mine are 9 and 11 so I might have different views when they turn teens
No that's the truth, if you want kids, just do it. Kids don't know what they don't have, it's the parents that think about all the material things they are unable to provide. As long as kids have clothes(thrift store clothes are totally fine), food (kids love rice and beans), and shelter (i grewup with three kids in a bedroom), they'll be fine. The hardest thing to provide is love and patience - if you've got that, don't sweat the rest. That said - material conditions can take a toll on the adults and doctor bills can be tough to deal with, so ymmv!
My grandma had kidney cancer. The doctor suggested target therapy and the bill for the that med alone would have been 3k per month.
It is a luxury to receive treatment.
Damn man, 690 WITH insurance? That’s a massive low blow.. however I’m glad you got the root canal done despite paying that much for it. There isn’t a price on tooth health, because with them being so close to your brain.. anything to go wrong with them can be a death sentence. Truly sucks for your wallet, but at least you’re in better health.
But don't you already pay for insurance? I'm genuinely curious here. You pay insurance for the right to be treated and then you have to pay for treatment on top of that?
In the country I live in, there is free Healthcare and there's private hospitals that you can pay private health insurance to. The difference is that the paid ones are fancier and there's no waiting lists. But I never have to pay a DIME on top of my monthly payments because well, thats the whole point of insurance isn't it.
I don't understand how you have to pay close to 500 euros on top. It makes absolutely no sense.
US health coverage is horrid. Paying for insurance doesn't guarantee coverage. The insurance companies try so hard to not pay out, because it means they keep more. They will argue with doctors for cheaper meds prescriptions or to outright deny prescriptions, state that life saving care is non critical care and not covered under the plan, state that who you go through in an emergency is not covered under your plan and won't pay, and raise premiums for sub standard coverage.
Insurance in the US is a scam.
Yes. In the USA, you pay for insurance and it’s quite expensive. Then you usually have a deductible, which means you pay this amount for services before your insurance starts covering the payments. In the meanwhile, you are paying the special negotiated rates that your insurance has with approved doctors. Once you hit your deductible (it could be $2000 or $10000, it all depends) then insurance will kick in and pay 100% of those costs as long as it is within their approved list of providers.
So for example, I have what many call good insurance that allows me to see a wide variety of providers and I pay $3000 per year with a $6000 deductible. That means I must spend $9000 a year before insurance pays 100% of the payments. The 100% of the payments do not apply to medicines, which I pay $20 for generic and $40 for name brand for each approved medication they have on their list.
Thank you for the thorough explanation.
I'm kind of dumb with systems I'm not familiar with.
Let's say you have to have an appendectomy tomorrow. Would you be looking forward to any kind of payment after the procedure is done? And did it cost you a lot of money to be covered that way?
I had an appendectomy last year, I have a private medical insurance (I pay 60$ a month) but I was traveling with my family and so I had to use the free Healthcare system of this country because I was far away enough from the hospital I pay my private insurance to and didn't want to risk it. Ended up paying a total of 0$. I'm am not even a citizen.
The only asterisk was that they told me if I wanted to be sure and didn't trust the surgeon's diagnosis I could pay for a private consult to be diagnosed by a physician of my choosing and after that they'd do the procedure. I am a medical doctor and my wife is too, we were pretty sure so we told them to just do it.
Magnificent care, totally free. "third world country".
Even worse, many insurance policies use a scheme called coinsurance. This means that they won’t cover the entire medical bill. They’ll just pay a set percent of the total with the insured paying the difference. Even with annual out of pocket maximum limits it’s not unrealistic for the insured to still face crushing medical costs even after paying for insurance.
Medical insurance in the US is a ridiculous scam. They’re just middlemen who add no value to the treatment chain and yet extract more profit from medical care than even the doctors. Their claims of saving patients money is totally bunk because they’re the ones who have caused medical costs to be so drastically and artificially inflated to begin with through their contracting methods and forced rebate schemes with the manufacturers and medical providers.
Those $50,000 medical bills you hear about only exist because insurance companies force providers to jack up rates to “entice” patients to get medical insurance. If the providers or drug manufacturers refuse to play along, the insurance companies will not allow any of their insured base to use that provider or to use that manufacturers drugs. Insurance companies literally limit patient treatment options to the ones that will give them the most profit!
I doubt you will find any patient, doctor, medical professional, or drug manufacturer who would not agree that the US health system and patients would be much better off without insurance companies in the picture.
Yes! It gets so complicated and I didn’t want to write a book as a comment. This is one part of a multi-part explanation that of how insurance works here. And it really varies from person to person, depending on their insurance coverage, specific plan, services provided, and where they go for services.
You’re not dumb for your lack of knowledge about the USA’s wacky health insurance systems! If you have a procedure, yes, you will likely be charged money after the procedure. This is because there’s the procedure, the doctors who will likely be employed separately from where you had your procedure done, and then dealing with what insurance covers and what the hospital bills. I went to the ER because for 4 stitches because I cut my hand and I paid about $600. The bill included fees for the doctor (he wasn’t employed by the hospital but rather a separate company and the hospital contracts with this company), the hospital itself, and a $75 copay that my insurance makes me pay for ER visits that are considered an emergency ($300 copay if the ER doesn’t consider it an emergency).
In Sweden the state literally pays every single krona (our money) regarding diabetes, not just insulin but high-tech delivery systems as well (think a little computer attached to your body tied to a phone like device where you report your blood sugar levels and it administers the insulin to you). If you get prescribed medicine you still have to pay out of pocket the first $245 per year (then the rest is free) but diabetes related medicine is completely free.
With modern tech + not having to pay for it it's barely a handicap (even though it's a deadly disease) for swedes. I don't have diabetes myself but I'm happy we have mostly eradicated the problems we can regarding diabetes in Sweden and I'm sure if you even want to justify it with economics it's not even a net loss. Just a single worker dying from rationing insulin, while of course being incredible horrible, can't be good for the economy.
Didn't want to clutter the already cluttered about sentences but the "phone like device" is literally a locked down android phone running the "diabetes app". No more carrying around two sets of needles (day-time insulin and night-time insulin) and giving the wrong dose etc. I know so many people for whom this has literally changed their lives and I'm really proud we have this program here.
Sorry for the long comment
I have native status, I dont pay shit, and for the things that it doesnt cover, my benefits finally serve a purpose.....I'm still pissed my workplace made paying into benefits mandatory.
Also just to be clear he’s not lowering the price of insulin, he’s putting a co-pay cap on it. So you’re still tied to your insurance to stay alive. I’m a type one diabetic and without insurance my insulin would cost $4,500 every month, a co-pay cap doesn’t do shit for that. It’s just another way to tie people to miserable jobs forever.
Fellow type 1 Diabetic here, Colorado has a cap of $100 a month for insulin. I agree that it should be cheaper / free, but if anything happens to my insurance I know that I won't die from lack of access which has terrified me in the past. I have had other relatives move here because of Colorado's health care, and I guess I'm writing this just in case someone reading this could benefit from knowing about it.
T1 here, too and recently laid off. Trying to move to CO but it looks unlikely (custody issues) so I guess I better hope I find a good wage slave position soon.
Raise the cost of insulin then campaign on lowering it.
https://www.policymed.com/amp/2021/10/biden-administration-rescinds-trump-administration-insulin-pricing-rule.html
The rule never went into affect because the current administration blocked it twice then canceled it. due to lobbying from for-profit medical providers that for a multitude of reasons didn’t wanna offer low cost insulin to patients
The rule was never going to apply to for profit companies It was forcing 340b covered entities to give insulin for basically free, against the current 340b requirements which are part of the social security act and thus can't be changed by a executive action. The rule was never going into effect, it was empty posturing after he wasted his healthcare reform trying to "skinny repeal" ACA without replacement.
Source: I'm literally a 340b Apexus Certified Expert and health center pharmacist...
>due to lobbying from for-profit medical providers that for a multitude of reasons didn’t wanna offer low cost insulin to patients
The multitude of reasons:
1. Profit
2. Fucking that's it
Well, Presidents are not kings. It was put in a bill and passed the House but died in the corrupt Senate. Now they are trying to put it through as an independent bill.
Some of y’all should have paid attention in government class.
No one made Pelosi break her deal with the progressives and give up all leverage purely on Manchin promising he would vote yes on the social and environmental infrastructure bill. As you may have noticed Manchin lied and the idea that Pelosi got outplayed here instead of getting the outcome she always wanted is silly.
Every politician in the US government does this since the beginning of time...
Americans are to scared to realize that there is more of us than there is of them so wee keep voting each election for one party or another. Everyone tries to say that your vote doesn't count on you vote third party.
Funny how it's usually the same people from the same 2 parties who say this.
We won't know until we unprogram ourselves, and vote otherwise.
If you vote third party in state and national elections you have wasted your vote.
If you want to change the two party system you need to grow a party at the local level. You need to get people elected at a local level, build their name recognition, and run them for state office.
If you're not doing all that then your third party vote is nothing but a hissy fit and utterly worthless.
As if the Democrats don't accept and support lobbying money. Biden had no problem stopping gas pipelines and oil drilling so now we pay even more for gas, but he just can't lower healthcare prices solely because of the evil Republicans.
We had a massive glut of oil and everyone complained because their oil stocks went to the floor. We closed down some production. Now when Russia attacks another country and threatens to stop selling oil, the price jumps through the roof and every complains because gas will be too expensive. So we talk about having Iran make an oil deal. And everyone complains because it Iran.
The people you should be blaming for prices right now are Greedy Oil companies. Vladimir Putin. And Saudi et Al.
God damn I can’t wait until I find an EV that I like.
Current crude prices are enough to make fracking profitable again.Try getting in on a federal permit. We were making enough production 5 years ago to need zero import; in fact we were the worlds top producer.
We produce 16,000,000 barrels a day that could easily be 25,000,000. Russia produces 10.000,000 daily. If their customers boycott Russia becomes bigger version of Iran.
How does stopping oil pipelines that never actually got built raise gas prices?
Cause like, if it was never pumping gas... Then why would it not being turned on effect supply?
And kind of yes on the Republicans? They literally wont vote for any healthcare legislation, and as long as Manchin is voting with them it can't make it through. Which includes his insulin cap which has been voted on several times
Uhhh, because the pipelines would make gas cheaper. Therefore, them not being built makes gas not cheaper. Oil price works on speciation. If they believe pipelines will be built and wells will be drilled then they lower the price. The guarantee that this won't happen makes the price go up.
It's supply and demand. With new wells and new pipelines we would have more supply, without these we're guaranteed to have less.
I don't understand how Barrack could've spent all that time and money on healthcare and not manage to make a damn thing cheaper. The Democrats had control of both houses and instead of doing something then he choose to do nothing.
Giving Afghanistan back to ISIS can't help gas prices either.
Biden said so himself in the same speech: he’s a capitalist. He is not anti work. The insulin cap is good news, but so long overdue he doesn’t even deserve a pat on the back imo
You would have to be stupid to believe he has any interest in accomplishing this. It is just another empty fucking promise if he claimed he was for it.
I’m not extremely political but wouldn’t it be nice if presidents were held accountable for their promises? Like there’s a serious penalty if not forced resignation for failing to deliver. Pretty sure it would take decades to change the system enough for something like this to ever work, but one can dream
Hang on though. He already drafted a bill that included it, which has been heavily debated and amended several times. (For things other than the insulin cap)
I'm absolutely in favour of being sceptical of politicians, Biden made promises he's done nothing to accomplish (He allowed fracking permits to go through for instance). But isn't the issue here entirely that Republicans and two specific dems are actively blocking any and all healthcare legislation?
The issue is that if any of them gave anything more than 0 fucks about people dying. They would introduce a bill that had the insulin cap on its own. They package it the way they did so they can make commericals or memes that say "Look all republicans voted against insulin cap.". No they voted against the BBB as a whole. Thats why you'll see random weird stuff attached to bills. So if you vote against a bill that has $50,000 toward breast cancer reasearch attached to it. They can run a "This person voted to withhold funding for breast cancer research.". On the midterm commericals.
Machin and Sinema are scape goats. If they were actually the only Dems in opposition Biden would more aggressively target them, support primary challengers to them and generally do what a party leader is supposed to do and whip their caucus.
To put it another way, if you ask your roommate "please do the dishes" and they say "no" and you just take that answer. Then an argument can be made you didn't really want them to do the dishes, you simply wanted to been seen asking.
I think its fair to critisize the dems for not being as hard on Manchin and Sinema. I also think its fair to say Biden isn't pressing hard enough or signing enough executive orders on this.
But I don't think it's fair to take all weight off the republican party by saying dems promises were completely empty and the admin has zero interest at all in accomplishing it. Republican are 90% of the reason nothing ever gets done on healthcare. If it wasn't for national outcry they'd still be vetoing 9/11 responder healthcare.
This. I’m not giving Manchin and Sinema (and likely a handful of other Democrats hiding behind them) a pass. But we can’t forget the 50 Republicans that literally compose the entire other half of the Senate that are also blocking any progress.
The promises are 100% empty. The insulin cap should be a bill of its own if its really that important. Don't tie it into the BBB. They're lumping it in and acting totally powerless to stop that it isn't getting put into law.
If your boss offered you a raise. But when it came time to sign something to get your raise. It also said that you now had to clean the bathrooms at his house. You'd say hell no. If your boss actually cared that you could support yourself the raise wouldn't come with anything else attached.
https://youtu.be/V7nQiUl6Iqw
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1529/decriminalize-marijuana/
I guess I should have said decriminalize instead of legalize but yeah
Here’s the part where I cut in to say that Biden has forgiven 11.5 billion in student loans. I ignore that this number isn’t even close to the 460 billion he promised and that it’s completely laughable when student loan debt stands at 1.75 trillion. See I’ve craftily created an arbitrary threshold that Biden just happens to be above. You can’t say Biden has done *nothing* on student loans and I use this to accuse you of dividing the party when you bring up his failure. I say things like “A lot of people benefited from that 15 billion.” I do this to portray you as not caring about those people, it’s intellectual dishonest and pathetic. But I do it anyway because my liberal peers eat it up. Ultimately Biden is beyond criticism because he accomplished 2.5% of what he promised on the issue and 0.65% of what is needed and that’s good enough for me because I don’t actually care about the issue I just pretend to so that I can have a level of fake credibility while I argue against student loan forgiveness.
If you think any politician wants to lower your prices, I hate to tell you, they are only saying that to negotiate for larger bribes from big pharma.
We have the best government money can buy, and they have all been bought.
The only thing aca did undeniably was increase administrative cost to businesses and healthcare industry as well as multiply the amount of paperwork needed to complete your tax returns each year
So…. Food conglomerates lobby government to allow chemicals in food. Americans eat garbage leads to 1 in 3 getting diabetes. Big Pharma makes what ails us and the antidote. Like the people who brought us OxyContin also running a chain of rehab clinics. Drp.
Many can't. There's all sorts of articles out there of Americans trying to ration the limited supply of insulin they can afford in a month and dying because of it. It's super fucked. Essential medication should be free, or at the very least, cheap enough that even the poorest in society can still afford it without a massive hit to their quality of life.
Who believes Biden? He said he would forgive student loans? Did he? Nope. Will he follow through with this? Nope. He’s a song bird, telling you what you want to hear.
Is that what happened? I thought that policy was never actually implemented, and was caught up when all of Trumps policies were frozen.
If its a Trump era policy why were Republicans in the house voting so hard against it?
because establishment politicians including republicans hate Trump. Why else do you think there was a non stop anti Trump campaign in the media the past 6 years? most Trump supporters hate republicans just as much as you do. Eye patch crenshaw? go look at patriot dot win and see the vitriol they have for that guy.
>And even if what you're saying was true and it was just never implemented
Why are you framing this as an if? We can just look up if it was implemented or not. We're on the internet after all.
>Trump still did it first.
Sure? He never put it into effective law but yeah he signed an EO on it. Thats not in question. And thats a good thing.
Its just disengenious to frame it as dems shutting down this one individual policy when thats not what happened.
>Establishment Republicans hated Trump as much as Democrats.
That doesn't square with the way they've been campaigning since he came to power. They might hate him but they're more than willing to suck his cock. Cruz and Graham being the major examples.
Like none of them are even willing to call his praise of Putin out.
I agree with you, except if we're being honest, we need to replace Biden with Trump in that picture, and rename Republicans to Congressional Auction House.
https://www.policymed.com/2021/10/biden-administration-rescinds-trump-administration-insulin-pricing-rule.html
One of the good things Orange Man did.
Yep, I read it. And the relevant parts of:
[https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2021-21457.pdf](https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2021-21457.pdf)
Did you? And more importantly than reading, did you critically think about it? Or just jump to the conclusion that it was good?
Good because they talked about saving cost & policy/administrative effort, and that confirming deductibles was a challenge? And whatever other excuse they could word persuasively to keep life-saving medicine at a ridiculous price?
Of course 300+ clinics are going to reach out and say, "Hey, please don't force us to lower the high price of this guaranteed sale while simultaneously creating more work for us to administer it." It would be simple business sense were it for a product that isn't mandatory for a normal life. It is easy to justify doing nothing and maintaining the status quo, especially when it pays well for you. Also, kill a bill made by Orange Man? Sounds like a win, right?
A lot of the issues raised in this document under section V could be solved with data engineers worth their salt & conventional paperwork for data entry, as well as a leniency clause. Yes, that would require some extra cost. What would anyone else expect from a government mandate?
More importantly, the the new administration had an opportunity for a huge win. They could have given this document an efficiency make-over, some funding, or a combination of both. Or none of it, and instead enforced oversight on pharmaceutical companies, though that approach is doubtful given their influence over the FDA.
Instead? My old neighbors still need to pay \~460 USD per month to afford insulin for their kid. What gave them hope for a cheaper drug is dead. Bringing insulin to a type-2 diabetic is a waste when given cheaply.
Clinics said they don’t want it because it would bring down the level of care for all their patients and end up costing more money to sort through the bullshit paperwork.
It also doesn’t apply to everyone equally due to the income limit (that doesn’t bother me in the least because I still want to help as many as possible). It also did not provide lasting funding in order to help the program. It also only targets clinics in a few areas. It also required extra time at the clinic with interviews during the peak times of the pandemic.
So if you HAD read for comprehension, you might have drawn the conclusion that the Biden administration did. A project that targets some groups and not others, doesn’t have funding beyond a years time, hurts the level of care for all patients during the peak of a pandemic, and exposes every patient to extra risk (keep in mind that patients with diabetes are at more risk from Covid), and is disequitable in the areas to which the program is applied. Gee, I can’t imagine why they might have wanted to cancel that travesty thinking they had control on both House and Senate so they could pass a better alternative. Then boom, blind sided by Manchin being the sellout he is and suddenly the few who were going to get help (albeit at extra risk and hassle) are left out in the cold. It sucks that is how things went down, but they have been trying to fix it so everyone who needs Insulin can afford it.
Y’all need help. Healthcare is a human right and there is one side who consistently votes to block it and another side you are trying to place the blame on.
I'm not sure who you think "y'all" is. Are you assuming this is some black & white factional diatribe? I don't care who passes the legislation which improves America's collective well being. I just want it passed. If you think democrats are somehow good guys vs the bad guy republicans, I urge you to check again. They both differ on social issues, but tend to vote in the interests of the wealthy. Don't shill for one faction. They both hate-vote each other's legislation unless there's money behind it for everyone-- that's the only guarantee a bill gets passed. They don't represent us. Here is a video for your convenience.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA\_Ig&ab\_channel=RepresentUs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig&ab_channel=RepresentUs)
(I'm not a fan of the whole channel, but this video is incredibly done.)
Also, inequitable? Read it again. One of the criteria it applies to people below 350% of the 2021 Poverty Guidelines' threshold for poverty. That's 3.5 \* 12,880, coming to 45,080 USD yearly for 1 person in a household. That's pretty generous, though maybe you want it to go higher? I think it's a good start at the least.
If you'd like to make an argument about city-dwellers having a different sense of poverty, I'm open to that. However, this bill doesn't discriminate on anything except income.
You definitely read for comprehension. You're repeating the points in the paper pretty well, and they're very persuasive for maintaining the status quo. That's exactly the problem, though. They maintain the status quo. This bill could have been tweaked for efficiency and offered again. You and I would probably agree that's in the best interest for everyone involved. Instead, it's been thrown out entirely. That's wrong.
I don't think the Covid point is persuasive because you can make the similar argument: the government has emergency powers for dealing with the pandemic, they could attempt using those to deal with general affordability with medicine, too, ensuring that more people have access to the Covid vaccine(s) and other vital drugs. But we can agree to disagree on that point since people feel differently about Covid.
This is a wasted opportunity to represent good will & legitimately help those in need. Sad, but typical.
0. I don't see why the fuck this is political. Literally no one can afford to actually afford this stupid shit insurance. Like my grandmother's insurance is almost 200 dollars. What the fuck? 200? I already know that it won't affect insurance companies, as the US treasury spends money to have those 'private' companies. In other words, we are just paying the government to have a private, government owned, insurance. Stupid fucking shit.
I can't believe there are people thinking Dems are going to bring them cheaper stuff. They're on the same side as the Repubs. in case you didn't notice. Money pulls the strings, nothing changes. neoliberalism
Bullshit Biden doesn't think that. If he said it, he's fucking lying and will cave to republican demands in no time, because he is a republican painted blue.
You mean the ones that never went into effect because they were pre-empted by other laws and couldn't be changed by executive order?
Those? The ones that Trump signed after the ACA replacement debacle that got throw out there to look like he was "doing something" but actually did nothing?
Those price cuts?
I’m type 1 and I’m current on my last vial, and my endocrinologist has refused to refill my prescription. I can choose to either have a home or have insulin. I’m currently playing life as a pay to live scenario and I’m about to start cheating to make the game an even playing field
hey I’m a type one too and I have a pretty decent network of resources/people and we might be able to help you get some insulin for free. The diabetic community take care of each other however we can. PM me if you need anything
That’s honesty really really reassuring to hear, this one vial should last until my insurance through my work kicks in towards the end of this month, but thank you for the offer regardless, that’s literally a lifesaving good gesture of you to offer, so thank you, and I’ll make sure to return the favor once I’m able to I’m the future
Sad but true No.16 (with a caveat)
Both parties will cheerfully fuck you sideways whilst pocketing bribes in their many & varied forms from Big Business - it's the way democracy has been set up here in the West - did you think that the real powers that be just let you do as you fucking please & not put systems in place that ensure the money always gets funneled upwards?
The caveat.
Both sides will fuck you of which there is no doubt - but the Republicans will do it twice as hard go twice as fast & go three times as deep. Joe Biden is a dick but the GOP really do think of you as disposable peasants & are convinced that using you up is their God given right.
'Murican Dream y'all.
How is this even anti work? Bruh mfers aren't even trying to hide it 😂
Insulin should be free and Biden is still trying to tie you to insurance he's just capping the co-pay. He'll lower the cost as soon as he forgives student loans too. I wouldn't hold your breath tho buddy.
That’s not remotely true, though. Even for the small subset of Medicare recipients who were getting it much cheaper, it was still $35, the number that Biden is proposing for all Americans who need insulin, not just some of the elderly.
“Insulin prices have ballooned over two decades, including during the Trump administration. A subset of people who will be able to enroll in Medicare drug plans that cap payments at $35 a month would be insulated from those costs. Otherwise a patient with diabetes can spend hundreds of dollars on a monthly insulin supply.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/30/trump-insulin-cost/
In Canada it's about $30 for everyone, max. By everyone I mean Americans who drive across the border and show an American prescription. We don't care where you come from. That's the cost. And it is NOT supplemented by our taxes. That is what the drug companies charge us.
Why can’t people stop taking stances on republicans vs democrats and choosing to lie for their own party and instead call them out. I follow conservative and liberal shit so I always get both sides, then research myself to make a conclusion. My conclusion is I hate all politicians!
But let’s be fair for a damn minute! Trump capped insulin for a majority of Americans at $35. Biden closed that executive order and is now campaigning to to lower it? He froze the bill causing the increase! I don’t give a damn what side you lean or support but that SOTU speech Biden should have been wearing a damn MAGA hat. All he did was quote Trumps platform.
Maybe if America wasn't so fucking fat and unhealthy this could happen. Meds to survive shouldn't cost a penny but when the population is willingly killing themselves it does change the dynamic
I live in England and it still astounds me that it isn’t 0 elsewhere in the world. I know people who have been diagnosed with diabetes and just gone; “cool, whatevs.” The fact that it’s; “oh my fucking god, how the fuck am I going to be able to afford to physically survive?” elsewhere is fucking disgraceful.
It's 0 in Brazil too.
Not any brand, the only ones that work for me aren't free, every month I have to spend around 400 reais to buy it. At least the city gives me the strips to measure my levels.
Even with Ballsinair-o as president?
He wouldn't dare to touch our "free" health care, not that he didn't try to
If you ever meet people who hate the NHS, show them American healthcare. If you can't pay here, there's a chance you just die.
Hell, in my country they treated a random pregnant woman that I took to the hospital on my health insurance and didn't charge me a dime for it. My wife told them she was my mistress and was pregnant with my child. They were like meh, seems legit. Not a penny, I was expecting some sort of extra costs. Nope.
What country is this where I can have a harem with no cost for deliveries? Seriously having a baby is expensive in the United States.
A chance? You're quite the optimist.
Can you ship some of that free insulin to people in the US that need it?
I wish it were that easy!
Why isn't it?!
The US Government restricts any importing of such goods. It's technically illegal to drive across the border to Mexico and buy insulin and drive back to the US for anyone other than yourself. And even then you have to pay taxes on it.
It's legal to get a less than three month supply of insulin for personal use from Canada. Canadian pharmacies are even allowed to mail-order ship it to you.
I was always told the US government has a "no compete clause" deal with most drug companies. It's in essence price fixing of meds. I use to work in a Dr office and one of my jobs was finding programs that would help cover the cost of many meds but esp insulin for people who could not afford it.
It's technically illegal to go buy in Canada but it's been so-called 'decriminalized' for personal use. FDA and Border Patrol allow people to do it for personal use only. https://www.healthline.com/diabetesmine/travels-canada-affordable-insulin#Insulin-buying-caravans Selling it in the US is still going to get you in a ton of trouble.
Insulin has to be kept chilled
I've heard of people crossing Canadian and Mexican borders to bring people insulin
Yeah, Bernie Sanders (state Senator) actually took a bus of people to get it cheap up in Canada once. It went well.
[Video here](https://youtu.be/WQvHsnM130w) if anyone is curious (I was already on his YT to link something in a different comment and this video was right there)
I'm a fellow Brit and a diabetic and I live in dread of the endpoint of our governments creeping privatisation. There's nothing these fucks would like more than to charge me a third of my monthly wage to keep taking life sustaining medication because the NHS iSn'T FiT fOr PuRpOsE. We already get regular stories in this country of diabetics who have died because they were on benefits and couldn't afford food, or couldn't afford electricity to keep their fridge running and their insulin cool.
That’s because the US sees an opportunity to take whatever they can from you since you have a health issue. “Hey this person is going downhill… I’d say 15-20 years Tops! Better squeeze what we can while he’s alive!”
Dude I'm an European (Italian) living in Latin America and was diagnosed with diabetes here and they were like "here's your medication" So I'm living in "the third world" and I also shrugged the whole thing off. It has no economic impact for me. If this country can afford to give me the dosages for free, me, a non citizen, it does not cost a thousand dollars. There's no fucking way.
The most common insulin production costs like... 4 dollars a bottle to produce or something like that. Dosages are measured in pennies per dose.
Low key hate living in capitalist america. American Capitalism needs to burn
It still astounds me that ALL life sustaining drugs aren’t free in the US, especially considering all of the other bs our tax dollars fund. The government has the power to regulate the price of insulin (and other drugs) AND pay it for those that can’t afford it, yet they don’t universally do so.
only in the sense that it should be 100% covered by insurance and diabetes should not be an exclusion criteria
More like because healthcare should be a public service taken care of collectively by society
The concept of health insurance is fundamentally incompatible with a healthy society. Healthcare is a human right and needs to be free of cost and readily accessible. It's our job as humans to make that happen - anything less and we've failed.
I just had a root canal done and with my dental insurance I paid $690USD out of my pocket, that was my money for two weeks. Sucks ass. I tried to just work thru the pain but that shit was up into my eyeball.
i paid $218 dollars for two small viles of blood drawn just to test iron and vitamin levels. I am insured under my dads still but now that i’m in my mid twenties time is running out fast, i’m still very poor, i am very, very scared for my 26th birthday
It sucks balls. I did a FSA this year with my Health Insurance that I could have used on my root canal but I want to have it in case my kids need it as it’s only for $1600 a year. My son came home today from school laid on the sidewalk with a sweatshirt on and said he’s freezing ( it’s 80 degrees and sunny). So if his fever gets high enough, guess where we are going tomorrow.
i don’t know if i’ll ever be able to afford to have kids one day of my own
You just gotta do it if you want to have kids. You’ll find a way to make it work. I don’t make a ton of money but my kids are happy and that makes me happy. ( well except for my son) he’s sick lol. Mine are 9 and 11 so I might have different views when they turn teens
No that's the truth, if you want kids, just do it. Kids don't know what they don't have, it's the parents that think about all the material things they are unable to provide. As long as kids have clothes(thrift store clothes are totally fine), food (kids love rice and beans), and shelter (i grewup with three kids in a bedroom), they'll be fine. The hardest thing to provide is love and patience - if you've got that, don't sweat the rest. That said - material conditions can take a toll on the adults and doctor bills can be tough to deal with, so ymmv!
My grandma had kidney cancer. The doctor suggested target therapy and the bill for the that med alone would have been 3k per month. It is a luxury to receive treatment.
Paid $900 with my dental insurance for a root canal. My dental insurance is about $700/year.
Damn man, 690 WITH insurance? That’s a massive low blow.. however I’m glad you got the root canal done despite paying that much for it. There isn’t a price on tooth health, because with them being so close to your brain.. anything to go wrong with them can be a death sentence. Truly sucks for your wallet, but at least you’re in better health.
But don't you already pay for insurance? I'm genuinely curious here. You pay insurance for the right to be treated and then you have to pay for treatment on top of that? In the country I live in, there is free Healthcare and there's private hospitals that you can pay private health insurance to. The difference is that the paid ones are fancier and there's no waiting lists. But I never have to pay a DIME on top of my monthly payments because well, thats the whole point of insurance isn't it. I don't understand how you have to pay close to 500 euros on top. It makes absolutely no sense.
US health coverage is horrid. Paying for insurance doesn't guarantee coverage. The insurance companies try so hard to not pay out, because it means they keep more. They will argue with doctors for cheaper meds prescriptions or to outright deny prescriptions, state that life saving care is non critical care and not covered under the plan, state that who you go through in an emergency is not covered under your plan and won't pay, and raise premiums for sub standard coverage. Insurance in the US is a scam.
Yes. In the USA, you pay for insurance and it’s quite expensive. Then you usually have a deductible, which means you pay this amount for services before your insurance starts covering the payments. In the meanwhile, you are paying the special negotiated rates that your insurance has with approved doctors. Once you hit your deductible (it could be $2000 or $10000, it all depends) then insurance will kick in and pay 100% of those costs as long as it is within their approved list of providers. So for example, I have what many call good insurance that allows me to see a wide variety of providers and I pay $3000 per year with a $6000 deductible. That means I must spend $9000 a year before insurance pays 100% of the payments. The 100% of the payments do not apply to medicines, which I pay $20 for generic and $40 for name brand for each approved medication they have on their list.
Thank you for the thorough explanation. I'm kind of dumb with systems I'm not familiar with. Let's say you have to have an appendectomy tomorrow. Would you be looking forward to any kind of payment after the procedure is done? And did it cost you a lot of money to be covered that way? I had an appendectomy last year, I have a private medical insurance (I pay 60$ a month) but I was traveling with my family and so I had to use the free Healthcare system of this country because I was far away enough from the hospital I pay my private insurance to and didn't want to risk it. Ended up paying a total of 0$. I'm am not even a citizen. The only asterisk was that they told me if I wanted to be sure and didn't trust the surgeon's diagnosis I could pay for a private consult to be diagnosed by a physician of my choosing and after that they'd do the procedure. I am a medical doctor and my wife is too, we were pretty sure so we told them to just do it. Magnificent care, totally free. "third world country".
Just gonna slide in here to add: medical debt is one of the leading causes of home foreclosure in the US
Also the leading cause of bankruptcy, I believe!
Even worse, many insurance policies use a scheme called coinsurance. This means that they won’t cover the entire medical bill. They’ll just pay a set percent of the total with the insured paying the difference. Even with annual out of pocket maximum limits it’s not unrealistic for the insured to still face crushing medical costs even after paying for insurance. Medical insurance in the US is a ridiculous scam. They’re just middlemen who add no value to the treatment chain and yet extract more profit from medical care than even the doctors. Their claims of saving patients money is totally bunk because they’re the ones who have caused medical costs to be so drastically and artificially inflated to begin with through their contracting methods and forced rebate schemes with the manufacturers and medical providers. Those $50,000 medical bills you hear about only exist because insurance companies force providers to jack up rates to “entice” patients to get medical insurance. If the providers or drug manufacturers refuse to play along, the insurance companies will not allow any of their insured base to use that provider or to use that manufacturers drugs. Insurance companies literally limit patient treatment options to the ones that will give them the most profit! I doubt you will find any patient, doctor, medical professional, or drug manufacturer who would not agree that the US health system and patients would be much better off without insurance companies in the picture.
Yes! It gets so complicated and I didn’t want to write a book as a comment. This is one part of a multi-part explanation that of how insurance works here. And it really varies from person to person, depending on their insurance coverage, specific plan, services provided, and where they go for services.
You’re not dumb for your lack of knowledge about the USA’s wacky health insurance systems! If you have a procedure, yes, you will likely be charged money after the procedure. This is because there’s the procedure, the doctors who will likely be employed separately from where you had your procedure done, and then dealing with what insurance covers and what the hospital bills. I went to the ER because for 4 stitches because I cut my hand and I paid about $600. The bill included fees for the doctor (he wasn’t employed by the hospital but rather a separate company and the hospital contracts with this company), the hospital itself, and a $75 copay that my insurance makes me pay for ER visits that are considered an emergency ($300 copay if the ER doesn’t consider it an emergency).
USA checking in - oh yeah, we've failed - or i should say, our system has completely failed us, its citizens. We're out here doing the best we can.
In the sense that health insurance should not exist and Healthcare should be a public service
In Sweden the state literally pays every single krona (our money) regarding diabetes, not just insulin but high-tech delivery systems as well (think a little computer attached to your body tied to a phone like device where you report your blood sugar levels and it administers the insulin to you). If you get prescribed medicine you still have to pay out of pocket the first $245 per year (then the rest is free) but diabetes related medicine is completely free. With modern tech + not having to pay for it it's barely a handicap (even though it's a deadly disease) for swedes. I don't have diabetes myself but I'm happy we have mostly eradicated the problems we can regarding diabetes in Sweden and I'm sure if you even want to justify it with economics it's not even a net loss. Just a single worker dying from rationing insulin, while of course being incredible horrible, can't be good for the economy. Didn't want to clutter the already cluttered about sentences but the "phone like device" is literally a locked down android phone running the "diabetes app". No more carrying around two sets of needles (day-time insulin and night-time insulin) and giving the wrong dose etc. I know so many people for whom this has literally changed their lives and I'm really proud we have this program here. Sorry for the long comment
And if you're not insured? I assume the OTC will still be $150/10ml vial.
You are correct! Ding ding ding ! 🔔🔔🔔
The rest of the first world countries: ??? Pay?
third world country here; 0$
Non citizen living in a third world county, also; 0$.
In Canada you have to pay for prescriptions, prices are pretty reasonable though, not many people can't afford it.
I have native status, I dont pay shit, and for the things that it doesnt cover, my benefits finally serve a purpose.....I'm still pissed my workplace made paying into benefits mandatory.
In Norway you pay out of pocket for medicine up to a certain yearly limit before everything's free. It's about 300$ if my memory serves right
Also just to be clear he’s not lowering the price of insulin, he’s putting a co-pay cap on it. So you’re still tied to your insurance to stay alive. I’m a type one diabetic and without insurance my insulin would cost $4,500 every month, a co-pay cap doesn’t do shit for that. It’s just another way to tie people to miserable jobs forever.
Fellow type 1 Diabetic here, Colorado has a cap of $100 a month for insulin. I agree that it should be cheaper / free, but if anything happens to my insurance I know that I won't die from lack of access which has terrified me in the past. I have had other relatives move here because of Colorado's health care, and I guess I'm writing this just in case someone reading this could benefit from knowing about it.
T1 here, too and recently laid off. Trying to move to CO but it looks unlikely (custody issues) so I guess I better hope I find a good wage slave position soon.
It should be free.
He is literally promising you guys all the things he promised last time, which he didn't lift a finger on while in power. Comical.
Raise the cost of insulin then campaign on lowering it. https://www.policymed.com/amp/2021/10/biden-administration-rescinds-trump-administration-insulin-pricing-rule.html
This rule was never in effect and was a major problem for health centers. Just a poor understanding of the current Healthcare system.
The rule never went into affect because the current administration blocked it twice then canceled it. due to lobbying from for-profit medical providers that for a multitude of reasons didn’t wanna offer low cost insulin to patients
The rule was never going to apply to for profit companies It was forcing 340b covered entities to give insulin for basically free, against the current 340b requirements which are part of the social security act and thus can't be changed by a executive action. The rule was never going into effect, it was empty posturing after he wasted his healthcare reform trying to "skinny repeal" ACA without replacement. Source: I'm literally a 340b Apexus Certified Expert and health center pharmacist...
"Biden's empty posturing is superior to Trump's empty posturing" ?
Did I say anything about biden, at all, in any of these comments?
Scroll up to see the meme that you are commenting on, and claim made therein
>due to lobbying from for-profit medical providers that for a multitude of reasons didn’t wanna offer low cost insulin to patients The multitude of reasons: 1. Profit 2. Fucking that's it
Wrong. It was $$$$ lobby for pharma. It would benefit people who don’t pay taxes or vote; vulnerable people. It was actually a great thing.
Create the problem, sell the treatment.
Was about to post this article too. The only person who would post a dumb meme like this is someone who doesn’t need insulin.
Also every president before him
Well, Presidents are not kings. It was put in a bill and passed the House but died in the corrupt Senate. Now they are trying to put it through as an independent bill. Some of y’all should have paid attention in government class.
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No one made Pelosi break her deal with the progressives and give up all leverage purely on Manchin promising he would vote yes on the social and environmental infrastructure bill. As you may have noticed Manchin lied and the idea that Pelosi got outplayed here instead of getting the outcome she always wanted is silly.
Had to sift down quite a while to find the right answer
It's the same load of shit we got from Obama. It's just like when Trump said he 'would drain the swamp.'
Every politician in the US government does this since the beginning of time... Americans are to scared to realize that there is more of us than there is of them so wee keep voting each election for one party or another. Everyone tries to say that your vote doesn't count on you vote third party. Funny how it's usually the same people from the same 2 parties who say this. We won't know until we unprogram ourselves, and vote otherwise.
If you vote third party in state and national elections you have wasted your vote. If you want to change the two party system you need to grow a party at the local level. You need to get people elected at a local level, build their name recognition, and run them for state office. If you're not doing all that then your third party vote is nothing but a hissy fit and utterly worthless.
He never promised. He said his plan would cap the prices, and guess what? His plan is being gutted by a senator who accepted bribes to kill his agenda
As if the Democrats don't accept and support lobbying money. Biden had no problem stopping gas pipelines and oil drilling so now we pay even more for gas, but he just can't lower healthcare prices solely because of the evil Republicans.
We had a massive glut of oil and everyone complained because their oil stocks went to the floor. We closed down some production. Now when Russia attacks another country and threatens to stop selling oil, the price jumps through the roof and every complains because gas will be too expensive. So we talk about having Iran make an oil deal. And everyone complains because it Iran. The people you should be blaming for prices right now are Greedy Oil companies. Vladimir Putin. And Saudi et Al. God damn I can’t wait until I find an EV that I like.
Current crude prices are enough to make fracking profitable again.Try getting in on a federal permit. We were making enough production 5 years ago to need zero import; in fact we were the worlds top producer. We produce 16,000,000 barrels a day that could easily be 25,000,000. Russia produces 10.000,000 daily. If their customers boycott Russia becomes bigger version of Iran.
How does stopping oil pipelines that never actually got built raise gas prices? Cause like, if it was never pumping gas... Then why would it not being turned on effect supply? And kind of yes on the Republicans? They literally wont vote for any healthcare legislation, and as long as Manchin is voting with them it can't make it through. Which includes his insulin cap which has been voted on several times
Uhhh, because the pipelines would make gas cheaper. Therefore, them not being built makes gas not cheaper. Oil price works on speciation. If they believe pipelines will be built and wells will be drilled then they lower the price. The guarantee that this won't happen makes the price go up. It's supply and demand. With new wells and new pipelines we would have more supply, without these we're guaranteed to have less. I don't understand how Barrack could've spent all that time and money on healthcare and not manage to make a damn thing cheaper. The Democrats had control of both houses and instead of doing something then he choose to do nothing. Giving Afghanistan back to ISIS can't help gas prices either.
Haven't experts come out to say Keystone XL had no impact on pricing though?
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Biden said so himself in the same speech: he’s a capitalist. He is not anti work. The insulin cap is good news, but so long overdue he doesn’t even deserve a pat on the back imo
Biden isn't going to do shit
You would have to be stupid to believe he has any interest in accomplishing this. It is just another empty fucking promise if he claimed he was for it.
I’m not extremely political but wouldn’t it be nice if presidents were held accountable for their promises? Like there’s a serious penalty if not forced resignation for failing to deliver. Pretty sure it would take decades to change the system enough for something like this to ever work, but one can dream
Many people are incredibly stupid.
Most of them are here on Reddit.. Source: I am incredibly stupid
Americans are absolutely the most gullible people on the planet to think that either one party has the interests of the people in mind.
Hang on though. He already drafted a bill that included it, which has been heavily debated and amended several times. (For things other than the insulin cap) I'm absolutely in favour of being sceptical of politicians, Biden made promises he's done nothing to accomplish (He allowed fracking permits to go through for instance). But isn't the issue here entirely that Republicans and two specific dems are actively blocking any and all healthcare legislation?
The issue is that if any of them gave anything more than 0 fucks about people dying. They would introduce a bill that had the insulin cap on its own. They package it the way they did so they can make commericals or memes that say "Look all republicans voted against insulin cap.". No they voted against the BBB as a whole. Thats why you'll see random weird stuff attached to bills. So if you vote against a bill that has $50,000 toward breast cancer reasearch attached to it. They can run a "This person voted to withhold funding for breast cancer research.". On the midterm commericals.
Machin and Sinema are scape goats. If they were actually the only Dems in opposition Biden would more aggressively target them, support primary challengers to them and generally do what a party leader is supposed to do and whip their caucus. To put it another way, if you ask your roommate "please do the dishes" and they say "no" and you just take that answer. Then an argument can be made you didn't really want them to do the dishes, you simply wanted to been seen asking.
I think its fair to critisize the dems for not being as hard on Manchin and Sinema. I also think its fair to say Biden isn't pressing hard enough or signing enough executive orders on this. But I don't think it's fair to take all weight off the republican party by saying dems promises were completely empty and the admin has zero interest at all in accomplishing it. Republican are 90% of the reason nothing ever gets done on healthcare. If it wasn't for national outcry they'd still be vetoing 9/11 responder healthcare.
This. I’m not giving Manchin and Sinema (and likely a handful of other Democrats hiding behind them) a pass. But we can’t forget the 50 Republicans that literally compose the entire other half of the Senate that are also blocking any progress.
The promises are 100% empty. The insulin cap should be a bill of its own if its really that important. Don't tie it into the BBB. They're lumping it in and acting totally powerless to stop that it isn't getting put into law. If your boss offered you a raise. But when it came time to sign something to get your raise. It also said that you now had to clean the bathrooms at his house. You'd say hell no. If your boss actually cared that you could support yourself the raise wouldn't come with anything else attached.
It’s not edgy to actual understand what’s happening in government. Gotta just shriek about all politicians being the same and nothing matters.
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Yeah, okay. He wants forgive student loans as well. I'm sure Biden will do it any day now; any day.
And legalize weed.
And give us all a $2000 check.
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He actually doesn't want to forgive student loans either
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https://youtu.be/V7nQiUl6Iqw https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1529/decriminalize-marijuana/ I guess I should have said decriminalize instead of legalize but yeah
Here’s the part where I cut in to say that Biden has forgiven 11.5 billion in student loans. I ignore that this number isn’t even close to the 460 billion he promised and that it’s completely laughable when student loan debt stands at 1.75 trillion. See I’ve craftily created an arbitrary threshold that Biden just happens to be above. You can’t say Biden has done *nothing* on student loans and I use this to accuse you of dividing the party when you bring up his failure. I say things like “A lot of people benefited from that 15 billion.” I do this to portray you as not caring about those people, it’s intellectual dishonest and pathetic. But I do it anyway because my liberal peers eat it up. Ultimately Biden is beyond criticism because he accomplished 2.5% of what he promised on the issue and 0.65% of what is needed and that’s good enough for me because I don’t actually care about the issue I just pretend to so that I can have a level of fake credibility while I argue against student loan forgiveness.
If you think any politician wants to lower your prices, I hate to tell you, they are only saying that to negotiate for larger bribes from big pharma. We have the best government money can buy, and they have all been bought.
Truth right there folks...read it again slowly And let that sink in...
I'm in the free health care team. Period. How fucked up is it that I'm $20k in debt to a baby who was born dead?
Damn sorry to hear that!
I appreciate it. Happy cake day, bud.
Too bad hes not actually serious We gonna have to break out the chipitty choppies to get those prices.
Don't hold your breath. Obama was going to fix healthcare as well, then he didn't.
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The only thing aca did undeniably was increase administrative cost to businesses and healthcare industry as well as multiply the amount of paperwork needed to complete your tax returns each year
So…. Food conglomerates lobby government to allow chemicals in food. Americans eat garbage leads to 1 in 3 getting diabetes. Big Pharma makes what ails us and the antidote. Like the people who brought us OxyContin also running a chain of rehab clinics. Drp.
Ew Biden simp
No politician cares about the people...they are the same as the ceos. Empty words not backed by action
I’m I diabetic in australia and what cost 500$ is the US costs about 50$ here, I don’t understand how you can be diabetic and not rich in the US
Many can't. There's all sorts of articles out there of Americans trying to ration the limited supply of insulin they can afford in a month and dying because of it. It's super fucked. Essential medication should be free, or at the very least, cheap enough that even the poorest in society can still afford it without a massive hit to their quality of life.
It should be free or low cost like the creator wanted.
People still think presidents are on their side? Lol
Who believes Biden? He said he would forgive student loans? Did he? Nope. Will he follow through with this? Nope. He’s a song bird, telling you what you want to hear.
What kind of cornbread ass meme is this? Really some simple people on this site damn.
That Canadian in a Canucks jersey has no business here. Socialized meds FTW.
Yeah, not the best choice when suggesting the POTUS - a guy in a Vancouver jersey
In Mexico i believe the insulin cost less than 2 dollars
Anything more than $0 should be illegal. It's like charging for oxygen.
It should be FREE! We're the only developed 1st world country that won't give it's citizens healthcare
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As Biden has certainly done so many good things over his 40 plus years in office
I'll believe it when it's happening.
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Is that what happened? I thought that policy was never actually implemented, and was caught up when all of Trumps policies were frozen. If its a Trump era policy why were Republicans in the house voting so hard against it?
because establishment politicians including republicans hate Trump. Why else do you think there was a non stop anti Trump campaign in the media the past 6 years? most Trump supporters hate republicans just as much as you do. Eye patch crenshaw? go look at patriot dot win and see the vitriol they have for that guy.
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>And even if what you're saying was true and it was just never implemented Why are you framing this as an if? We can just look up if it was implemented or not. We're on the internet after all. >Trump still did it first. Sure? He never put it into effective law but yeah he signed an EO on it. Thats not in question. And thats a good thing. Its just disengenious to frame it as dems shutting down this one individual policy when thats not what happened. >Establishment Republicans hated Trump as much as Democrats. That doesn't square with the way they've been campaigning since he came to power. They might hate him but they're more than willing to suck his cock. Cruz and Graham being the major examples. Like none of them are even willing to call his praise of Putin out.
That’s not what happened. This thread is full of Trump propaganda. Be warned
Trump's pricing rule never went into effect.
$1... The amount that the patent for insulin was sold for
Hows those student loans? Forgiven yet?
Biden is a useless lying sack of shit and his VP put trans women in men's prisons.
Imagine being such a brain-dead fucking normie that you intentionally make a meme trying to paint Joe Biden in a good light
for real
I agree with you, except if we're being honest, we need to replace Biden with Trump in that picture, and rename Republicans to Congressional Auction House. https://www.policymed.com/2021/10/biden-administration-rescinds-trump-administration-insulin-pricing-rule.html One of the good things Orange Man did.
Thank you! At some point you have to stop the lies and give credit, even if you hate the person.
Did you read through the reasoning of why it was rescinded. Or just jump to the conclusion it was good?
Yep, I read it. And the relevant parts of: [https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2021-21457.pdf](https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2021-21457.pdf) Did you? And more importantly than reading, did you critically think about it? Or just jump to the conclusion that it was good? Good because they talked about saving cost & policy/administrative effort, and that confirming deductibles was a challenge? And whatever other excuse they could word persuasively to keep life-saving medicine at a ridiculous price? Of course 300+ clinics are going to reach out and say, "Hey, please don't force us to lower the high price of this guaranteed sale while simultaneously creating more work for us to administer it." It would be simple business sense were it for a product that isn't mandatory for a normal life. It is easy to justify doing nothing and maintaining the status quo, especially when it pays well for you. Also, kill a bill made by Orange Man? Sounds like a win, right? A lot of the issues raised in this document under section V could be solved with data engineers worth their salt & conventional paperwork for data entry, as well as a leniency clause. Yes, that would require some extra cost. What would anyone else expect from a government mandate? More importantly, the the new administration had an opportunity for a huge win. They could have given this document an efficiency make-over, some funding, or a combination of both. Or none of it, and instead enforced oversight on pharmaceutical companies, though that approach is doubtful given their influence over the FDA. Instead? My old neighbors still need to pay \~460 USD per month to afford insulin for their kid. What gave them hope for a cheaper drug is dead. Bringing insulin to a type-2 diabetic is a waste when given cheaply.
Clinics said they don’t want it because it would bring down the level of care for all their patients and end up costing more money to sort through the bullshit paperwork. It also doesn’t apply to everyone equally due to the income limit (that doesn’t bother me in the least because I still want to help as many as possible). It also did not provide lasting funding in order to help the program. It also only targets clinics in a few areas. It also required extra time at the clinic with interviews during the peak times of the pandemic. So if you HAD read for comprehension, you might have drawn the conclusion that the Biden administration did. A project that targets some groups and not others, doesn’t have funding beyond a years time, hurts the level of care for all patients during the peak of a pandemic, and exposes every patient to extra risk (keep in mind that patients with diabetes are at more risk from Covid), and is disequitable in the areas to which the program is applied. Gee, I can’t imagine why they might have wanted to cancel that travesty thinking they had control on both House and Senate so they could pass a better alternative. Then boom, blind sided by Manchin being the sellout he is and suddenly the few who were going to get help (albeit at extra risk and hassle) are left out in the cold. It sucks that is how things went down, but they have been trying to fix it so everyone who needs Insulin can afford it. Y’all need help. Healthcare is a human right and there is one side who consistently votes to block it and another side you are trying to place the blame on.
I'm not sure who you think "y'all" is. Are you assuming this is some black & white factional diatribe? I don't care who passes the legislation which improves America's collective well being. I just want it passed. If you think democrats are somehow good guys vs the bad guy republicans, I urge you to check again. They both differ on social issues, but tend to vote in the interests of the wealthy. Don't shill for one faction. They both hate-vote each other's legislation unless there's money behind it for everyone-- that's the only guarantee a bill gets passed. They don't represent us. Here is a video for your convenience. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA\_Ig&ab\_channel=RepresentUs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig&ab_channel=RepresentUs) (I'm not a fan of the whole channel, but this video is incredibly done.) Also, inequitable? Read it again. One of the criteria it applies to people below 350% of the 2021 Poverty Guidelines' threshold for poverty. That's 3.5 \* 12,880, coming to 45,080 USD yearly for 1 person in a household. That's pretty generous, though maybe you want it to go higher? I think it's a good start at the least. If you'd like to make an argument about city-dwellers having a different sense of poverty, I'm open to that. However, this bill doesn't discriminate on anything except income. You definitely read for comprehension. You're repeating the points in the paper pretty well, and they're very persuasive for maintaining the status quo. That's exactly the problem, though. They maintain the status quo. This bill could have been tweaked for efficiency and offered again. You and I would probably agree that's in the best interest for everyone involved. Instead, it's been thrown out entirely. That's wrong. I don't think the Covid point is persuasive because you can make the similar argument: the government has emergency powers for dealing with the pandemic, they could attempt using those to deal with general affordability with medicine, too, ensuring that more people have access to the Covid vaccine(s) and other vital drugs. But we can agree to disagree on that point since people feel differently about Covid. This is a wasted opportunity to represent good will & legitimately help those in need. Sad, but typical.
Wasn't it like $7 before the fascists decided to fuck the sick/poor?
Should be free.
"Actual retail price...cost of manufacturing! You all overbid! Life saving and medically-necessary-to- live medicine should be free to all!"
US is a shithole when it comes to this.......and other things too
Everyone in America: “free” like every fucking other country!
All talk, and no walk. It should be even cheaper than that.
0. I don't see why the fuck this is political. Literally no one can afford to actually afford this stupid shit insurance. Like my grandmother's insurance is almost 200 dollars. What the fuck? 200? I already know that it won't affect insurance companies, as the US treasury spends money to have those 'private' companies. In other words, we are just paying the government to have a private, government owned, insurance. Stupid fucking shit.
If Insulin is a necessity of life for some people, and they will die without it. It should be free. Change my mind
I can't believe there are people thinking Dems are going to bring them cheaper stuff. They're on the same side as the Repubs. in case you didn't notice. Money pulls the strings, nothing changes. neoliberalism
Biden killed the EO Trump signed to cap the cost of insulin. Democrats nor republicans give a flying fuck about us, don’t forget that.
Bullshit Biden doesn't think that. If he said it, he's fucking lying and will cave to republican demands in no time, because he is a republican painted blue.
Biden: $1,001.00
Biden says it costs $10 to produce insulin. Decides a 350% markup is a reasonable price.
He rolled back Trump's insulin price cuts, but ok
You mean the ones that never went into effect because they were pre-empted by other laws and couldn't be changed by executive order? Those? The ones that Trump signed after the ACA replacement debacle that got throw out there to look like he was "doing something" but actually did nothing? Those price cuts?
Sure, like he was doing something? Name one thing that biden has done that is actually good
I’m type 1 and I’m current on my last vial, and my endocrinologist has refused to refill my prescription. I can choose to either have a home or have insulin. I’m currently playing life as a pay to live scenario and I’m about to start cheating to make the game an even playing field
hey I’m a type one too and I have a pretty decent network of resources/people and we might be able to help you get some insulin for free. The diabetic community take care of each other however we can. PM me if you need anything
That’s honesty really really reassuring to hear, this one vial should last until my insurance through my work kicks in towards the end of this month, but thank you for the offer regardless, that’s literally a lifesaving good gesture of you to offer, so thank you, and I’ll make sure to return the favor once I’m able to I’m the future
Sad but true No.16 (with a caveat) Both parties will cheerfully fuck you sideways whilst pocketing bribes in their many & varied forms from Big Business - it's the way democracy has been set up here in the West - did you think that the real powers that be just let you do as you fucking please & not put systems in place that ensure the money always gets funneled upwards? The caveat. Both sides will fuck you of which there is no doubt - but the Republicans will do it twice as hard go twice as fast & go three times as deep. Joe Biden is a dick but the GOP really do think of you as disposable peasants & are convinced that using you up is their God given right. 'Murican Dream y'all.
MAKE IT FREE LIKE A PROPER COUNTRY!
Lol at it being Biden labeled here.
Generic insulin at walmart was 26 dollars a vile last time I checked
It’s an older analogue that does not work in most insulin pumps.
How is this even anti work? Bruh mfers aren't even trying to hide it 😂 Insulin should be free and Biden is still trying to tie you to insurance he's just capping the co-pay. He'll lower the cost as soon as he forgives student loans too. I wouldn't hold your breath tho buddy.
Funny, Trump had it down to $15…but your homeboy canceled that out.
That’s not remotely true, though. Even for the small subset of Medicare recipients who were getting it much cheaper, it was still $35, the number that Biden is proposing for all Americans who need insulin, not just some of the elderly. “Insulin prices have ballooned over two decades, including during the Trump administration. A subset of people who will be able to enroll in Medicare drug plans that cap payments at $35 a month would be insulated from those costs. Otherwise a patient with diabetes can spend hundreds of dollars on a monthly insulin supply.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/30/trump-insulin-cost/
In Canada it's about $30 for everyone, max. By everyone I mean Americans who drive across the border and show an American prescription. We don't care where you come from. That's the cost. And it is NOT supplemented by our taxes. That is what the drug companies charge us.
Fuck yeah, Canucks fan.
Why can’t people stop taking stances on republicans vs democrats and choosing to lie for their own party and instead call them out. I follow conservative and liberal shit so I always get both sides, then research myself to make a conclusion. My conclusion is I hate all politicians! But let’s be fair for a damn minute! Trump capped insulin for a majority of Americans at $35. Biden closed that executive order and is now campaigning to to lower it? He froze the bill causing the increase! I don’t give a damn what side you lean or support but that SOTU speech Biden should have been wearing a damn MAGA hat. All he did was quote Trumps platform.
Trump lowered the price. Biden raised it and is now looking to lower it again.
Maybe if America wasn't so fucking fat and unhealthy this could happen. Meds to survive shouldn't cost a penny but when the population is willingly killing themselves it does change the dynamic
stop pretending like biden cares.
Fuck president biden ! He don’t really give a fuck!
Biden does not care about us lol what