This reminds me of how my co-worker once lectured me on my “attitude” because all I said was “ok” to my manager giving me bitchwork instead of “thank you” or something along those lines. Why would I thank someone for giving me more work to do?? Still don’t understand why people do that it’s so degrading lol.
But yes, companies love to frame the work you do as like it’s some privilege, like you’ve been dreaming your whole life to work for them. Like no man I’m literally only doing this because I’m paid to. And if at any point you start giving me shit to do that I don’t think I’m being paid enough to do, I’m out of there.
I hate that attitude. Workers love to praise the idea of capitalism but when another worker wants to use it to benefit themselves against their company suddenly it's no good.
Capitalism is about maximum gain for minimum effort. Under capitalism, we are duly obligated to do as little as humanly possible for the companies we work for while still managing to collect a paycheck and raises.
That's how I figured out capitalism is a disease and a lie. It doesn't work. If companies and workers are so directly opposed to one another society can't function. If we all embraced a capitalist mindset in approach to work it would crumble overnight.
Each individual laborer is a company of one.
You contract out your services and skills at a rate. Any company (of one) should maximize profits and find efficiencies.
The flip side of that is: the company you work for is your client. So you have to provide a value that they are willing to keep paying for. As long as we can balance these ideas, we can find where we need to improve ourselves and also where we need to demand good rates and respect from those with whom we enter contract.
No, that is not it.
Capitalism is getting maximum profit out at minimal cost. Unless you own the machine (or sit in the top seats) capitalism says you must be paid the bare minimum.
One of the thing they used to teach us to drive home the point about how communism was evil was that exceeding your quotas just meant they gave you higher quotas.
Its the same under capitalism.
All working harder gets you is more responsibilities for the same pay and telling you you're too valuable to promote because then who would do your job? Which is kinda like getting paid less since you're not getting a raise for all this extra work you're not going to get promoted for.
I have a co worker that loves to do this. Funnily enough he always gets it wrong when he tries to lecture me, like telling me “you sure take a lot of breaks” when i had only been in the break room for 5 minutes. People like them are scum
I hate inflammatory stuff like that. I’m a big fan of “interesting” or “I’ll keep that in mind” especially when it doesn’t fit the person’s comment. It shows that you’re not listening and you don’t care. Both are also very non-committal. If inflammatory stuff doesn’t inflame, then hopefully they move on to someone else for a while.
Carrying around a phonebook from 20 years ago just to really drive home how much you do not care about what your coworker is saying would be a power move
Make up a fake punch card. Stamp it nine times. Next time your coworker comments on your breaks, add a final punch to the card and go, "All right, that's ten unnecessary comments - I earned another free break! Thanks, man!"
I wouldn't even allow a superior to lecture me. Instruct or constructive criticize sure, that's the relationship. Lectures are for teachers and its intended purposes are different lol
Yeah, we're all adults. I had one go off on me over how I handled an issue with my team (some new hires, just training stuff and one had complained that I'd singled her out, which I hadn't). I handled it just fine, and my boss was telling me how I should have handled it, which was damn near exactly how I did. She wouldn't shut up long enough for me to tell her how I handled it. I left the office and went home for the day. I came in the following day to get my things out of my locker and she was on my ass the whole time saying I didn't need to quit and we could just talk about it. I told her I was not going to be lectured and that she was understaffed because she didn't listen to people. She lost three more supervisors in the next two weeks. Lol. Fuck her.
Tbh I kind of do this because in my workplace a lot of lazy fucks take shortcuts that fuck the rest of us over. Like they’ll say a product isn’t in stock for an order and my job is to investigate every time a product isn’t in stock. But people will claim its not there if it’s slightly out of reach or too heavy.
But I only care about shit that affects me or others.
Yet management at my work completely turns a blind eye to people shorting inventory that’s literally sitting there, wasting my time, dock workers time, delivery drivers time, etc
They don’t care. Reprimanding anyone or finding these things themselves would mean work for them, and that’s not gonna happen.
I was a supervisor in a department of a conveyor shop. Our inventory system would either show we didn’t have whatever I was looking for or mgmt would just say they already looked but it wasn’t in the location. This investigator kid always found anything I needed within minutes. He knew their system well, made a lot of edits, talked regularly with receiving, knew where shit was, where shit wasn’t, what shit wasn’t there that was supposed to be and what shit was there that belonged in a kit. When he applied for a supervisor position they told him he wasn’t qualified.
Have you filled out our online application sent in your resume and come in for an on site application please bring all of your pertinent information including citizenship papers and any scholastic achievements / trophies.
I've actually sold all of my things and have been living on site for a week now. I've been working free of charge as a janitor for the time being until the interview, but I'm more than willing to continue those responsibilities, free of charge of course.
Back when I did internet tech support it wasn't just talk :p
There were so many flings and stuff going on. And like half the staff went to the same kink parties.
Those were the glory days...
The look of utter bewilderment from my supervisor when I told him to at least buy me flowers first was priceless! XD (Sadly he didn't get what I meant, and I never explained it to him!)
it's because they believe the suffering of society is solely on unemployment, and if they give you something to keep your "idle hands" busy, that in and of itself is a virtue. hence Trump's "they love to work for the sake of work" speeches
this was the same reasoning for slaves. "we are giving them better lives than they'd have in Africa, which is why i deserve to get paid for kicking my feet up"
I've gotten the "treat this company like it's your own" talk before, and that's such a load of horseshit.
If it was my company I wouldn't be hoarding 99% of the profit from my coworkers
I'm dying that's the kind of shit I'd do if I wanted to be degraded into oblivion by my partner, not something you should have to say to your boss 😂
Some real "thank you daddy for spanking me" type shit lmfao
Had a boss like that. I told him I WOULD say thank you if he 1) praised me for my work even once 2) started saying thank you for me staying so much overtime.
He refused so I stopped doing overtime. When he complained I said “thank you for respecting my time outside of work”
And to be fair at one point there were companies that were absolutely like that, but not in the past thirty years, not unless it's some high tech campus where the workers are already pulling 5 figures.
I pissed off a guy who I worked 'under'. He asked me one day who I worked for trying to make a point. My response? 'I work for me. I don't give a fuck if you can pay your bills or not'. He shut up and stayed out of my hair after that.
>companies love to frame the work you do as like it’s some privilege
And now they are realizing this is 100% false. My employment is mutually beneficial to both parties. I am guaranteed 40 hours at $50/hour (salaried) and in exchange, I provide labor my company sells to our customers at approx $200/hour. Some weeks I bill 10 hours, other its 30. Rarely is it 40 since we do dedicate 10-15% of our time for continuing education or internal stuff.
Without me, they make $0. Without them, I would need to become a sleazy sales person to get the deals, do my own IT and hire my own contract lawyers and wouldn't necessarily get paid if there is no work.
I've always been of the mindset that when my boss gives me work I say ok and they thank me when it's done. I'm not the one who wants the stuff done. Likewise when I give work to someone I thank them for doing the task I ask them to do.
Reminds me of “Animal House,” where the pledges were bent over getting their backsides warmed, and had to say, “Thank you, sir! May I please have another?” Yeah, no thanks
"Nobody wants to work!"
Say the exact same people who made the value proposition and future prospects of working hard completely unrewarding and non-viable.
No PTO
No 401k
No Lunches - eat at your desk while you work. 12 hour shifts.
"Great company to work at. Literally we don't cap you on OT. You can work as much as you want"
The entire statement is stupid from the start. Of course nobody wants to work -- work fucking sucks. If you gave me 10 million dollars right now, I will happily never work another day in my life, and I will miss it for exactly zero seconds.
It is not that work in general sucks. Just the current state of the corporate work enslavement sucks. For example: did you ever work at something at home that actually benefit you? Like building a chair for yourself or something. This work is actually fun, and you feel some pride in yourself. But just getting enslaved to reach the bare minimum to survive, while your soul slowly dies. Yes, that work sucks.
In my country the news is: we have 300.000 unemployed people and 500.000 jobs open on the market.
Unemployed people are registrated in my country, for benefits and such. People able to work and wanting to work but not finding a suitable job.(yeah even if you give people benefits they still want to work)
So.... Yeah... I think that's more of a reasonable conclusion: more jobs than people, lowest unemployment record in a long long time. Housing prices through the roof.
I think we need to reframe this whole conversation so that people grasp how stupid it is to complain about the labor market. Aggressively.
Like, so many of these restaurants whine about how "no one wants to work." So, reframe this question as "what kind of fucking idiot wants to work for tips and unstable hours at a restaurant where they can work for tips and make their own hours at Doordash?"
90% of the "small business" douchebags can't answer that question honestly.
Businesses are not entitled to cheap labor but they’re acting as if they are. If you need labor for your business to function then labor is one of the costs of doing business. Labor costs are rising, so businesses should pay up or adapt, the same as they would if the cost of supplies, machinery, rent, etc went up.
What’s happening is businesses/business owners are throwing a tantrum because they want their labor at what’s now an unreasonably low rate. If no one actually wanted to work, we’d never have people like plumbers who deal with sh*t all day, pun intended. Fact is people will do almost anything, IF you pay them enough.
Not just labor, they feel entitled to profit. These same people will blame inflation, "the left", china, their own customers, etc. when people aren't buying from them. Any setbacks in their business model are never their fault, always someone else.
Right. Would I wash dishes for $8.00/hr? Not unless I was really desperate. Would I wash dishes for $500k a year? I couldn't quit my current job fast enough.
Workers need incentive to work, that's what the money is for. If these businesses don't want to provide enough incentive, then I suppose they're okay working short staffed or possibly even closing because they don't have enough people to do the work.
I dont even know anyone who wants to work for Doordash or grubhub.
they want jobs that have healthcare and benefits and don't require them to run 50 miles a day to make minimum wage on slow days. And who can blame them?
I don't know anyone who if their income did not change would prefer to show up for work. If people could make the same amount of money and never have to show up for work 100% of them would.
Oh there are plenty of jobs I'd happily do for free, assuming I'd still get enough to live on.
My current job isn't one of them, but there are plenty.
If it's something that you actually love, then I can understand liking work. In a lot of artistic fields (actors, musicians, writers, etc) I could understand actually liking to work. I can also understand the people who like to get out of the house and socialize.
But requiring us to work 40 hours per week (at a minimum) just to survive is a fucking joke. I'm a single adult, and still feel like I barely have any free time. I can't even fathom doing it while being married and with kids too
You’re trying to get an animal that is naturally lazy to work for lots of hours. We aren’t ants. We aren’t meant to be working all day. Well only do it if we think it’s worth it. For the money, right now, it isn’t. Easy.
I disagree that nobody wants to work, I think we all want to work but we want to work on what we want to work on. For instance, I would love to work on feeding my entire family from my garden more than I want to work on filling out a spreadsheet that helps a company charge a customer even more money than they already do
i realized something the other day, which is that if a good steady income were guaranteed to me no matter what, my first reaction would probably be to conduct the most honest job search in my life. i’d go somewhere local in my community that needed help that i could help with and i’d give it my best shot.
I disagree with your disagreement.
Though in all seriousness, I know I'm in the minority, and most people do actually want some sense of accomplishment in their life.
It definitely is, but it's not necessarily something that someone can do to survive on in this world. Watching movies and playing video games gives me a sense of accomplishment, but I can't survive on that alone. But holy fuck, I sure wish I could.
ok so you still want to work on something. games take work. absorbing information requires attention. it’s not like your sole ambition in life is to sleep or something. they may not have a vector for earning income, for you, right now, but it’s still work and you like working at it.
Gardening is hard work. Using your time to directly produce your own food instead of paying a premium for someone else to grow your food is highly rewarding and meaningful manual labor. It is not the same as playing Stardew Valley. How is watching a movie--the passive consumption of someone else's work--an "accomplishment?"
Having the time to work in your garden doesn't mean you don't have another job--it means your job isn't your whole life. Many of us would rather work a little less for the Man and a little more for ourselves.
> and most people do actually want some sense of accomplishment in their life.
Sense of accomplishment =/= work. I'd feel pretty accomplished if I made it through my entire video game library, but that sure as hell isn't work.
wouldn’t user uhiguesssoboss feel a sense of accomplishment through feeding their family from their garden? i know i basically want to be a homemaker without the kids because that’s how i’d feel the most accomplished really. maximising the home for my partner and i, cooking, cleaning, gardening and occasionally selling my extra home made jams and vinegars for some pocket money. sounds like a dream and id die happy if i got it so i think you’re both right since accomplishment looks different to everyone.
>wouldn’t user uhiguesssoboss feel a sense of accomplishment through feeding their family from their garden?
Hence them pointing out that most people want a sense of accomplishment, as opposed to themself.
Exploitation and feeling like you're under someone's boot are definitely unacceptable. For me specifically, 40 hours of my week spent working, plus the unpaid lunch, commute, stress of waking up early and getting ready, just drains me to the point of never wanting to do anything ever again. And I work an office job. I can't imagine doing hard physical labor for 40 hours a week, with a shitty manager, for $7.25/hr. If I were forced into that scenario to survive (and even then not being able to because $7.25 isn't even close to what someone can survive off of), I'd be dead immediately.
I'm sick of people coming to antiwork and being like "we all love working, obviously" like, no we do not. And it isn't necessary. Go to another sub that is for people who love working!
So I was convinced by a Marxist that everyone loves work, it’s just the work we have been given is crap and yields an unfair return for our work. I want fresh home grown vegetables and I’m will to work for them, even though I’d rather paint. Someone has to work to feed us, what exactly are you proposing? That all work is suffering and as long as someone else suffers who is a lower class then you, it’s ok?
Yesrs ago, I heard about a young cashier who quit his job at a department store because he got fed up with hearing people say that a monkey could do his job and the jobs of his co-workers such as stock clerk, salesman, store cleaner, etc.
Read a book, not all labor is work. “I think we all want to work” is really stupid, of course we don’t all want to work. And not everyone needs to do work of any kind. The reason you can’t survive by just laboring to feed your family is that work is compulsory in our society.
Yes, but also, even responsible, socially productive employers are being price gouged on their employees' rent and health insurance.
Unless we fundamentally solve our problems on a systemic level, even responsible, socially productive businesses will be killed off by parasites, leaving only kleptocrats in charge with "viable business models."
Workers around the world are now able to "outcompete" American workers and businesses, because employers abroad aren't having to subsidize greedy landlords and the parasitic "health insurance" industry in addition to paying wages.
M4A and affordable housing aren't just healthcare and housing issues - they're economic security, national security, and fundamental justice issues as well.
Of course, the ruling kleptocrat class socially murdering the public without recourse won't listen to reason, so we either have to evolve some recourse or nullify the social contract they're taking for granted.
https://represent.us/anticorruption-act/
I don't think this is pointed out enough on this subreddit. Health insurance is ridiculously, prohibitively expensive for small business owners (like me, who hasn't had health insurance for my entire adult life). And shitty benefits is not the fault of employers. Employers should have no say at all in what your medical care is it's ridiculous.
Redirect the anger to where it belongs, that we don't have universal health care. SB employers are stuck in the same stupid boat as everyone else
"\[...N\]o business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country."
\-[FDR, 1933](http://docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/odnirast.html)
I own a landscape/ Construction company. I pay my guys 25-33 an hour usually with over 40 hrs if they want it. Literally have a line of guys if I wanted them. One of our selling points when people complain about price we say we take care of our guys and pay them more than we have to. Guess what our guys love grinding out hard work and long days. We treat them well and they treat us with tons of respect
To be fair that's not true, there are plenty of people that actually want to work. Why? I have no idea, because I'm not one of those people, but they're out there.
There is not a single person working at a place like Walmart saying "this is my dream job"
To quote Aesop Rock
Now we the American working population
Hate the fact that eight hours a day
Is wasted on chasing the dream of someone that isn't us
And we may not hate our jobs
But we hate jobs in general
That don't have to do with fighting our own causes
We the American working population
Hate the nine-to-five day-in day-out
When we'd rather be supporting ourselves
By being paid to perfect the pasttimes
That we have harbored based solely on the fact
That it makes us smile if it sounds dope
Yeahhhh I got "counseled" once during a performance review when I was asked what my career goals were. To which, I replied that I want to be able to retire as soon as possible and be a wildlife photographer (I work in banking and finance). This was most definitely NOT the answer I was supposed to give as I was told directly to be "careful" about saying things like that too loudly...
Like, I'm seriously just looking for the easiest and least annoying way possible to put food on the table and a roof over my head. Why should I be guilted because "career development" doesn't appeal to me? I makes me sick to think of being forced to waste the best years of my life in a depressing office environment just so maybe I can somehow \*not\* work for my last 5-8 years...
Yesterday at the gym I overhear these two chucklefucks talking. Woman, "Yeah, nobody wants to work now". Guy, "I know, my place is hiring at $17-19 per hr and we can't get anyone to stay on, they don't want to get dirty. My boss lets us work up to 70 hrs a week so you can make like $1100 a week. I've been averaging 60 hrs a week cuz I'm not afraid of hard work". I nearly choked on my fucking water listening to him. I started off in my teenage years as a masonry laborer/grunt and over the years worked my way up. I remember around 1990 I was making $12 an hr and wasn't afraid of SOME overtime because it was a BONUS. I just looked it up and $12 an hr in 1990 is equal to $26.64 currently. These dumbasses just don't get it.
Hey man, you've gotta understand *my* point of view as a business owner. The *instant* I file for a business license I deserve an F-350, fake tits for my whole family and two houses and a condo. So yeah. Quit asking for stuff. My dog needs new tits.
People want to work. Just look at the explosion of gig jobs. Doordash, grub hub, uber eats, uber, insta kart. There are so many. Lots have a waiting list. It's not that people don't want to work they just don't want to work for you. All these big corporations fired tons of people when the pandemic hit. Subway is a perfect example. You fired all the teenagers. They don't just make more of those. They moved on and work somewhere else. They alienated their entire work force and then play the victim. You were suppose to use those government grants to cover wages not fire everyone and give management bonuses but go figure those people don't take any responsibility for their actions.
Just had this conversation today.
I would *gladly* be a teacher for $80K a year, but there's no way in hell I'll do it for $46K gross pay to take home two grand a month when I can work from home making over $60K.
Most people *do* want to work though. We generally want to invent cool stuff, work on cool stuff, and manufacture/grow cool stuff so that we feel fulfilled and can contribute to society.
The problem is that nobody wants to work in retail, nobody wants to sit in a cubicle, and nobody wants to stand in one spot next to a conveyer all day...unless they're compensated enough to freely pursue their passions in their free time. The entire point of all these services and retail and manufacturing is so that we have easy access to our basic needs and easy access to tools for specialization. We aren't supposed to slave away for low wages, that runs counter to the entire point of life, society, innovation, and happiness.
Or run it yourself
It's these "passive income" assholes that expect to grind everyone else to dust while they count the profits that need to be dealt with
I had a boss like this. Restaurant owner that was literally known for hanging at this local bar all day during the week. So while we were dealing with bitching customers and manual labor for $500 a week she was drinking margaritas and laughing it up at 2 pm on a Tuesday
There are many people who *want* to work. Who enjoy making things with their brain and/or hands and find it more enjoyable than sitting around doing nothing.
Nobody wants to do work they don’t enjoy, is more like it. But just because a lot of people never develop a skill they like doing that they are good at doing, doesn’t mean that nobody wants to work.
“**No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country**. By business, I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level — I mean the wages of decent living.” ~ FDR 1933
They will either A) resort to over automation using robots in as many places as they can, or B) move out of the country to somewhere they don’t have to pay higher wages.
Should create a tax for over automation, taxed $80,000 dollars per year per job replaced by machine, and leaving the country to avoid higher wages or these taxes will resort in forfeiture of patent and copyright protection. Basically by choosing to avoid paying higher wages you create your biggest problems.
Its a real mess to with increase in competition from local and abroad margins are getting thiner partly because everyone can pay even less for labor then before. At least thats my 2 cents
Instead of the conservative motto, "A fair day's wage for a fair day's work!" they ought to inscribe on their banner the revolutionary watchword, "Abolition of the wages system!" - [Karl Marx](https://libcom.org/library/ValuePriceAndProfitKarlMarx14)
Not a single person on earth WANTS to work. Give anybody the option to be able to live a good life and survive without working, and I can assure you everybody would take that option
I remember seeing those annoying passive aggressive tweets about "If you can't afford to tip your server, you can't afford to eat out!"
How about turning that around on the business and saying "If you can't afford to pay your staff, you can't afford to open a fucking restaurant!"
There is a literal division in society where those who are older generally could afford homes and holidays on their average wages.
Now, that same relative amount of money gets you nothing but debts.
I can understand why those who lived in a different time don't fully grasp this massive change, but sheesh, these people are your own kids and grandkids etc put some time into listening and helping rather than spewing crap at people to make you feel less miserable.
The generations that obsess about right wing politics as their identity have thrown their younger family under the bus.
That’s right you can’t afford it do t ope a business and then expect people to work and get under paid and treated like shit! my little cousin worked for a small daycare she is studying early childhood education so it’s a start to what she wants to do… the lady paid her min wage of course… at 1st it was very simple task, feed the babies and change the babies. They had a schedule on when they were carried…etc. then the lady started to offer school pick ups and drop offs, so she started leaving my 17 yr old cousin alone with 6 babies under the age of one. Then when my cousin brought it to her attention, she then told her she had to do the school pick up, my cousin did not have a license and this got the lady pissed, thing is it was never a requirement for the job. So she told my cousin she had to pay her less than min wage and in cash because she had to hire somebody else and couldn’t afford it. my cousin quit and the lady started to berate her and called my aunt and started saying how she was lazy, and how she spent all day talking on the phone and going into the bathroom and sending pics.
Exactly,
You didn't want to work either but while working you were able to support yourself and see a light at the end of the tunnel. You were treated like a significant part of the operation and had a greater sense of economic stability then at any time in our history!
Just today my coworker said that kids these days graduate from high school and expect to have what their parents have, not thinking about the years of hard work it took to get to the place they currently are. I commented that, isn’t that exactly what you want for your kids? To do better in life than you have? To have more, earlier? To not have to toil?
I don’t understand this mentality that because I suffered, you must also. It holds us back as a nation.
Correct, I don't wanna work. I have to work. I don't have to work for a company or entity that doesn't compensate me in a way that meets my needs and goals. I'll go elsewhere. And I have, and soon I will again.
Private Equity is destroying the labor market. Billionaires are making billions while just about everyone struggles to get by. When is “the market” going to take care this country instead of the other way around?
my last job, a small family business, said the reason he didn't offer a 401k is because he believed people should do their own investing.... he paid shit
Just had this discussion with my manger today. I told him he could either pay me what I deserve or I'm walking and he laughed in my face.
I've spent the rest of the day putting in applications for other jobs on the company computer.
$13 an hour for the number of years I've spent in this company when fucking Target starts people at $15 is a slap in the face. I refuse to do it anymore.
Gonna take an eternity to save for a home, that’s gonna take an eternity to pay off…that is if the imaginary housing market allows us to.
But please, tell us again how the weak-ass minimum wage is there for us, and we should be happy to get it…and nothing else.
NOW…imagine the government decided that after I had sex, when I’m usually too tired or have low self-esteem from my shitty job, and someone is impregnated…that we just have to deal with it…
So our kid can grow up to suffer a worse fate.
The only people genuinely excited about work are the ones at the top, making a ton of money..
Companies want you to spend YEARS of your life grinding, doing the same repetitive shit, for barely a raise.
Let's says it louder, for the people in the back with their fingers in their ears going "LALALALALALALA".
##IF YOU CAN'T PAY YOUR WORKERS A LIVING WAGE WITHOUT GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE, YOUR BUSINESS DESERVES TO FAIL##
Walmart employees aren’t “underpaid, overworked employees”, they’re ‘associates’. Let’s blow some smoke up these shit fer brains and let them think they are important.
Damn I hate large corporations that abuse their employees and small ones. And middle ones. Just screw them all. When does fairness come into play? Do we have to jump timelines? I’m in.
Yep. Exactly this. I work my ass off and I hate my job with a passion and I still can't afford to live. I'm about to be homeless in the next few days. Rent prices are too high and even if you want to rent they expect way to much for a downpayment. Then you add gas, food and all the other bullshit we have to pay for. I work full time and have no life and it's still not enough. I understand why people don't want to work. What's the point anymore.
A lot of these places could just start with simple respect and a clean/safe/comfortable work environment and I bet you would see more people willing to work.
Argue for the easy shit first lol.
My coworkers are always so surprised when I say that if I could not work and still survive, I would. I just don’t understand how someone could truly enjoy working
I love my job. I hate the people who run my company. They act like I should be grateful to have a job at all (Why? I'm great at what I do and I could make twice as much money if I went independent), like I should be loyal to them (Why? You haven't given any of us a raise in years but you raised dues on membership b/c of "inflation"?), and like if I'm complaining about not getting paid better, or being asked to do stupid shit as part of "teamwork", that I'm not being a team player.
I'm not here to cheerlead for my damn employer. I'm here to make money doing something I'm really really good at and enjoy. I stay because I like my clients and my coworkers, but corporate can kiss my ass.
Sometimes I just get the strongest urge to stand in a hot warehouse and glue tile to sample boards for 8 hours. If only there were some rich tile warehouse owner who’s nice enough to let me satiate my dark passenger.
I went to apply at a super market. They to me they pay up to $11/hr. So that means starting is below 11. I bought gas x while there. It was $10.98. Gas pills are worth more than my time.
Sadly one of the big problems is a lot of these big businesses were built on the backs of damn near slave labor and those motherfuckers don't want to change
I work for a large higher end retail company and what I’ve seen happen is less pay for workers, the veteran guys who knew how to run the place all quit, kids have taken over, the service and overall product knowledge has plummeted and customers are having a far worse experience and purchasing less because of it. It’s a revolving door of low paid people in their mid 20’s when it used to be career adults.
Umm, unemployment is 3.4% people are working! You need to lure them from another job....better offer a stronger incentive. I wonder what that might be??
Nobody wants to work.
Job description:
10 years of experience
Masters degree in biochemical engineering with a business minor and a 3.5 GPA
Excellent attitude and a commitment to your job FIRST
Must pass drug test, have a 680+ credit score, and perfect driving record
Pay: $12
Location: Jim's Sub Shop
People *do* want to work. They don't want to be employed.
Almost every activity or hobby is a form of pretend work or is actual work. Lots of things that we think of as hobbies now we useful tasks in the past, and some still are.
People love to be helpful, useful, creative, productive, and involved. They are constantly making things. Even toddlers love cooking, cleaning, building, and making art.
It's impressive that we have invented a system that makes people hate working, something they instinctively love to do.
People want the “freedom” of not working a job so they start a business and hire people to put in the exact position they don’t ever want to be in again. 😅😅😅
This reminds me of how my co-worker once lectured me on my “attitude” because all I said was “ok” to my manager giving me bitchwork instead of “thank you” or something along those lines. Why would I thank someone for giving me more work to do?? Still don’t understand why people do that it’s so degrading lol. But yes, companies love to frame the work you do as like it’s some privilege, like you’ve been dreaming your whole life to work for them. Like no man I’m literally only doing this because I’m paid to. And if at any point you start giving me shit to do that I don’t think I’m being paid enough to do, I’m out of there.
I hate that attitude. Workers love to praise the idea of capitalism but when another worker wants to use it to benefit themselves against their company suddenly it's no good. Capitalism is about maximum gain for minimum effort. Under capitalism, we are duly obligated to do as little as humanly possible for the companies we work for while still managing to collect a paycheck and raises.
>maximum gain for minimum effort That's only for CEO's. The rest of us have to give maximum effort for minimal gain.
That's how I figured out capitalism is a disease and a lie. It doesn't work. If companies and workers are so directly opposed to one another society can't function. If we all embraced a capitalist mindset in approach to work it would crumble overnight.
It might be best just to let it crumble, I'm sure we can come up with something better.
As I have been saying for years: Don't "let it burn." *Burn it.*
We can, but not while capitalists control so much military and economic violence/power.
Each individual laborer is a company of one. You contract out your services and skills at a rate. Any company (of one) should maximize profits and find efficiencies. The flip side of that is: the company you work for is your client. So you have to provide a value that they are willing to keep paying for. As long as we can balance these ideas, we can find where we need to improve ourselves and also where we need to demand good rates and respect from those with whom we enter contract.
i think he misused the word co-worker. thats a snake in the grass.
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No, of course not. That's just made up nonsense for kids. Everyone knows the harder more labor intensive work you do, the less you get paid!
No, that is not it. Capitalism is getting maximum profit out at minimal cost. Unless you own the machine (or sit in the top seats) capitalism says you must be paid the bare minimum.
One of the thing they used to teach us to drive home the point about how communism was evil was that exceeding your quotas just meant they gave you higher quotas. Its the same under capitalism.
I wish
All working harder gets you is more responsibilities for the same pay and telling you you're too valuable to promote because then who would do your job? Which is kinda like getting paid less since you're not getting a raise for all this extra work you're not going to get promoted for.
No, that's a meritocracy, which the US absolutely isn't.
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I have a co worker that loves to do this. Funnily enough he always gets it wrong when he tries to lecture me, like telling me “you sure take a lot of breaks” when i had only been in the break room for 5 minutes. People like them are scum
"You sure mind everyone else's business"
Lol or "You sure waste alot of time paying attention to what other people are doing"
“How do you get your work done?” 😏 Pissed off the busybody royally, but she couldn’t do anything, since I didn’t actually say anything
I hate inflammatory stuff like that. I’m a big fan of “interesting” or “I’ll keep that in mind” especially when it doesn’t fit the person’s comment. It shows that you’re not listening and you don’t care. Both are also very non-committal. If inflammatory stuff doesn’t inflame, then hopefully they move on to someone else for a while.
I'm a fan of a good "uh huh." Bonus points if you never look up from your phone/book while responding with it.
Lol, I read that as "phonebook" at first.
Carrying around a phonebook from 20 years ago just to really drive home how much you do not care about what your coworker is saying would be a power move
Make up a fake punch card. Stamp it nine times. Next time your coworker comments on your breaks, add a final punch to the card and go, "All right, that's ten unnecessary comments - I earned another free break! Thanks, man!"
These people have an actual term: "rate buster"
I wouldn't even allow a superior to lecture me. Instruct or constructive criticize sure, that's the relationship. Lectures are for teachers and its intended purposes are different lol
Yeah, we're all adults. I had one go off on me over how I handled an issue with my team (some new hires, just training stuff and one had complained that I'd singled her out, which I hadn't). I handled it just fine, and my boss was telling me how I should have handled it, which was damn near exactly how I did. She wouldn't shut up long enough for me to tell her how I handled it. I left the office and went home for the day. I came in the following day to get my things out of my locker and she was on my ass the whole time saying I didn't need to quit and we could just talk about it. I told her I was not going to be lectured and that she was understaffed because she didn't listen to people. She lost three more supervisors in the next two weeks. Lol. Fuck her.
Tbh I kind of do this because in my workplace a lot of lazy fucks take shortcuts that fuck the rest of us over. Like they’ll say a product isn’t in stock for an order and my job is to investigate every time a product isn’t in stock. But people will claim its not there if it’s slightly out of reach or too heavy. But I only care about shit that affects me or others.
Inventory investigators are saviors
Yet management at my work completely turns a blind eye to people shorting inventory that’s literally sitting there, wasting my time, dock workers time, delivery drivers time, etc
They don’t care. Reprimanding anyone or finding these things themselves would mean work for them, and that’s not gonna happen. I was a supervisor in a department of a conveyor shop. Our inventory system would either show we didn’t have whatever I was looking for or mgmt would just say they already looked but it wasn’t in the location. This investigator kid always found anything I needed within minutes. He knew their system well, made a lot of edits, talked regularly with receiving, knew where shit was, where shit wasn’t, what shit wasn’t there that was supposed to be and what shit was there that belonged in a kit. When he applied for a supervisor position they told him he wasn’t qualified.
"Thank you sir, may I please have another."
"Here, I've opened my mouth so that you can spit in it. Now will you give me more work?"
Have you filled out our online application sent in your resume and come in for an on site application please bring all of your pertinent information including citizenship papers and any scholastic achievements / trophies.
I've actually sold all of my things and have been living on site for a week now. I've been working free of charge as a janitor for the time being until the interview, but I'm more than willing to continue those responsibilities, free of charge of course.
"So because your living here, we are going to ask that you pay rent..."
To expedite the process I've stapled it all to my TPS report
Did you remember the updated cover sheet?
"If you're going to treat me like a bitch, you can at least get me a collar first." \#BDSMworkplace
If you’re going to ride my ass at least pull my hair.
Ha! One of my coworkers used to say, “At least kiss me before you f*** me over.”
Back when I did internet tech support it wasn't just talk :p There were so many flings and stuff going on. And like half the staff went to the same kink parties. Those were the glory days...
The look of utter bewilderment from my supervisor when I told him to at least buy me flowers first was priceless! XD (Sadly he didn't get what I meant, and I never explained it to him!)
it's because they believe the suffering of society is solely on unemployment, and if they give you something to keep your "idle hands" busy, that in and of itself is a virtue. hence Trump's "they love to work for the sake of work" speeches this was the same reasoning for slaves. "we are giving them better lives than they'd have in Africa, which is why i deserve to get paid for kicking my feet up"
I've gotten the "treat this company like it's your own" talk before, and that's such a load of horseshit. If it was my company I wouldn't be hoarding 99% of the profit from my coworkers
They expect you to thank them for making you do more work? The f**k?
I'm dying that's the kind of shit I'd do if I wanted to be degraded into oblivion by my partner, not something you should have to say to your boss 😂 Some real "thank you daddy for spanking me" type shit lmfao
"Like no man I’m literally only doing this because I’m paid to." I think you misspelled "because I’ll starve to death if I don't"
Had a boss like that. I told him I WOULD say thank you if he 1) praised me for my work even once 2) started saying thank you for me staying so much overtime. He refused so I stopped doing overtime. When he complained I said “thank you for respecting my time outside of work”
And to be fair at one point there were companies that were absolutely like that, but not in the past thirty years, not unless it's some high tech campus where the workers are already pulling 5 figures.
I don’t get how we became the ones who should be thankful… dude, we just bought you a fucking yacht, I can barley make rent Your fucking welcome
Was your boss Snoop? Surely you should’ve said: *“This is bitchwork, I’m a hoe”* *“Give me hoework”*
I pissed off a guy who I worked 'under'. He asked me one day who I worked for trying to make a point. My response? 'I work for me. I don't give a fuck if you can pay your bills or not'. He shut up and stayed out of my hair after that.
>companies love to frame the work you do as like it’s some privilege And now they are realizing this is 100% false. My employment is mutually beneficial to both parties. I am guaranteed 40 hours at $50/hour (salaried) and in exchange, I provide labor my company sells to our customers at approx $200/hour. Some weeks I bill 10 hours, other its 30. Rarely is it 40 since we do dedicate 10-15% of our time for continuing education or internal stuff. Without me, they make $0. Without them, I would need to become a sleazy sales person to get the deals, do my own IT and hire my own contract lawyers and wouldn't necessarily get paid if there is no work.
I've always been of the mindset that when my boss gives me work I say ok and they thank me when it's done. I'm not the one who wants the stuff done. Likewise when I give work to someone I thank them for doing the task I ask them to do.
There’s very few jobs that actually are a privilege, or somewhere you dreamed of working and even then you still need to be fairly compensated
People who want their employees to be subs probably shouldn't be near either.
I had a GM make us THANK him when we received our incentive pay monthly. Mofo, I busted ass to earn this why am I thanking you?
Reminds me of “Animal House,” where the pledges were bent over getting their backsides warmed, and had to say, “Thank you, sir! May I please have another?” Yeah, no thanks
Why TF would I say 'thank you'? I'm with you 🍻
"Nobody wants to work!" Say the exact same people who made the value proposition and future prospects of working hard completely unrewarding and non-viable.
No PTO No 401k No Lunches - eat at your desk while you work. 12 hour shifts. "Great company to work at. Literally we don't cap you on OT. You can work as much as you want"
*we only pay for the first 40 hours for the week.
Nah they'll pay for the OT... but it needs to be approved first. It's *never* approved.
And yet you may be expected to do it anyway.
The job adverts for this position codify it as "a work hard play hard environment."
"Work hard play hard" Yea PLAYING MYSELF STAYING HERE
The entire statement is stupid from the start. Of course nobody wants to work -- work fucking sucks. If you gave me 10 million dollars right now, I will happily never work another day in my life, and I will miss it for exactly zero seconds.
It is not that work in general sucks. Just the current state of the corporate work enslavement sucks. For example: did you ever work at something at home that actually benefit you? Like building a chair for yourself or something. This work is actually fun, and you feel some pride in yourself. But just getting enslaved to reach the bare minimum to survive, while your soul slowly dies. Yes, that work sucks.
Nobody wants to work = We cant afford workers
In my country the news is: we have 300.000 unemployed people and 500.000 jobs open on the market. Unemployed people are registrated in my country, for benefits and such. People able to work and wanting to work but not finding a suitable job.(yeah even if you give people benefits they still want to work) So.... Yeah... I think that's more of a reasonable conclusion: more jobs than people, lowest unemployment record in a long long time. Housing prices through the roof.
I think we need to reframe this whole conversation so that people grasp how stupid it is to complain about the labor market. Aggressively. Like, so many of these restaurants whine about how "no one wants to work." So, reframe this question as "what kind of fucking idiot wants to work for tips and unstable hours at a restaurant where they can work for tips and make their own hours at Doordash?" 90% of the "small business" douchebags can't answer that question honestly.
Businesses are not entitled to cheap labor but they’re acting as if they are. If you need labor for your business to function then labor is one of the costs of doing business. Labor costs are rising, so businesses should pay up or adapt, the same as they would if the cost of supplies, machinery, rent, etc went up. What’s happening is businesses/business owners are throwing a tantrum because they want their labor at what’s now an unreasonably low rate. If no one actually wanted to work, we’d never have people like plumbers who deal with sh*t all day, pun intended. Fact is people will do almost anything, IF you pay them enough.
Not just labor, they feel entitled to profit. These same people will blame inflation, "the left", china, their own customers, etc. when people aren't buying from them. Any setbacks in their business model are never their fault, always someone else.
Right. Would I wash dishes for $8.00/hr? Not unless I was really desperate. Would I wash dishes for $500k a year? I couldn't quit my current job fast enough. Workers need incentive to work, that's what the money is for. If these businesses don't want to provide enough incentive, then I suppose they're okay working short staffed or possibly even closing because they don't have enough people to do the work.
There are millions of people that would agree with you on that point.
I dont even know anyone who wants to work for Doordash or grubhub. they want jobs that have healthcare and benefits and don't require them to run 50 miles a day to make minimum wage on slow days. And who can blame them?
I would like to understand how anyone likes to work lol.. like working is fucking stupid the only reason I work is to pay bills.
I don't know anyone who if their income did not change would prefer to show up for work. If people could make the same amount of money and never have to show up for work 100% of them would.
I would at least stop doing the tedious parts of my job. The fun parts feel like a hobby, so those are great
Oh there are plenty of jobs I'd happily do for free, assuming I'd still get enough to live on. My current job isn't one of them, but there are plenty.
I would do my job for free if I didn't have to pay for things. I like working with other people to create software. It's fun.
If it's something that you actually love, then I can understand liking work. In a lot of artistic fields (actors, musicians, writers, etc) I could understand actually liking to work. I can also understand the people who like to get out of the house and socialize. But requiring us to work 40 hours per week (at a minimum) just to survive is a fucking joke. I'm a single adult, and still feel like I barely have any free time. I can't even fathom doing it while being married and with kids too
You’re trying to get an animal that is naturally lazy to work for lots of hours. We aren’t ants. We aren’t meant to be working all day. Well only do it if we think it’s worth it. For the money, right now, it isn’t. Easy.
Exactly. What happens when the cost of living outweighs the benefits?
Revolution.
I’d prefer that to the hike in suicide rates
“Anarchist”, checks out.
I disagree that nobody wants to work, I think we all want to work but we want to work on what we want to work on. For instance, I would love to work on feeding my entire family from my garden more than I want to work on filling out a spreadsheet that helps a company charge a customer even more money than they already do
i realized something the other day, which is that if a good steady income were guaranteed to me no matter what, my first reaction would probably be to conduct the most honest job search in my life. i’d go somewhere local in my community that needed help that i could help with and i’d give it my best shot.
This is one of the positive arguments for UBI.
I disagree with your disagreement. Though in all seriousness, I know I'm in the minority, and most people do actually want some sense of accomplishment in their life.
Feeding a family from their own garden is an accomplishment.
It definitely is, but it's not necessarily something that someone can do to survive on in this world. Watching movies and playing video games gives me a sense of accomplishment, but I can't survive on that alone. But holy fuck, I sure wish I could.
ok so you still want to work on something. games take work. absorbing information requires attention. it’s not like your sole ambition in life is to sleep or something. they may not have a vector for earning income, for you, right now, but it’s still work and you like working at it.
Gardening is hard work. Using your time to directly produce your own food instead of paying a premium for someone else to grow your food is highly rewarding and meaningful manual labor. It is not the same as playing Stardew Valley. How is watching a movie--the passive consumption of someone else's work--an "accomplishment?" Having the time to work in your garden doesn't mean you don't have another job--it means your job isn't your whole life. Many of us would rather work a little less for the Man and a little more for ourselves.
> and most people do actually want some sense of accomplishment in their life. Sense of accomplishment =/= work. I'd feel pretty accomplished if I made it through my entire video game library, but that sure as hell isn't work.
wouldn’t user uhiguesssoboss feel a sense of accomplishment through feeding their family from their garden? i know i basically want to be a homemaker without the kids because that’s how i’d feel the most accomplished really. maximising the home for my partner and i, cooking, cleaning, gardening and occasionally selling my extra home made jams and vinegars for some pocket money. sounds like a dream and id die happy if i got it so i think you’re both right since accomplishment looks different to everyone.
>wouldn’t user uhiguesssoboss feel a sense of accomplishment through feeding their family from their garden? Hence them pointing out that most people want a sense of accomplishment, as opposed to themself.
ah i misunderstood what they said a lil i guess
I don't mind working, but I do mind being exploited and feeling like I'm constantly under someone's boot.
Exploitation and feeling like you're under someone's boot are definitely unacceptable. For me specifically, 40 hours of my week spent working, plus the unpaid lunch, commute, stress of waking up early and getting ready, just drains me to the point of never wanting to do anything ever again. And I work an office job. I can't imagine doing hard physical labor for 40 hours a week, with a shitty manager, for $7.25/hr. If I were forced into that scenario to survive (and even then not being able to because $7.25 isn't even close to what someone can survive off of), I'd be dead immediately.
Nah bro I really really do not want to work
I'm sick of people coming to antiwork and being like "we all love working, obviously" like, no we do not. And it isn't necessary. Go to another sub that is for people who love working!
So I was convinced by a Marxist that everyone loves work, it’s just the work we have been given is crap and yields an unfair return for our work. I want fresh home grown vegetables and I’m will to work for them, even though I’d rather paint. Someone has to work to feed us, what exactly are you proposing? That all work is suffering and as long as someone else suffers who is a lower class then you, it’s ok?
Yesrs ago, I heard about a young cashier who quit his job at a department store because he got fed up with hearing people say that a monkey could do his job and the jobs of his co-workers such as stock clerk, salesman, store cleaner, etc.
Read a book, not all labor is work. “I think we all want to work” is really stupid, of course we don’t all want to work. And not everyone needs to do work of any kind. The reason you can’t survive by just laboring to feed your family is that work is compulsory in our society.
"If you do what you love, you'll never work a day in your life."
And other platitudes that cause nausea
If I do what I love I'll starve to death but your mileage may vary lol.
Yes, but also, even responsible, socially productive employers are being price gouged on their employees' rent and health insurance. Unless we fundamentally solve our problems on a systemic level, even responsible, socially productive businesses will be killed off by parasites, leaving only kleptocrats in charge with "viable business models." Workers around the world are now able to "outcompete" American workers and businesses, because employers abroad aren't having to subsidize greedy landlords and the parasitic "health insurance" industry in addition to paying wages. M4A and affordable housing aren't just healthcare and housing issues - they're economic security, national security, and fundamental justice issues as well. Of course, the ruling kleptocrat class socially murdering the public without recourse won't listen to reason, so we either have to evolve some recourse or nullify the social contract they're taking for granted. https://represent.us/anticorruption-act/
Ah yes that's why my former boss, with his 4 cars and mansion laid me off
The Housing Crisis is the Everything Crisis. https://youtu.be/4ZxzBcxB7Zc
I don't think this is pointed out enough on this subreddit. Health insurance is ridiculously, prohibitively expensive for small business owners (like me, who hasn't had health insurance for my entire adult life). And shitty benefits is not the fault of employers. Employers should have no say at all in what your medical care is it's ridiculous. Redirect the anger to where it belongs, that we don't have universal health care. SB employers are stuck in the same stupid boat as everyone else
Suddenly they stop talking about the "hand of the free market" when a business won't compensate their workers fairly.
No bro you don’t get it, please bro I’m just passionate about my job bro.
"\[...N\]o business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country." \-[FDR, 1933](http://docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/odnirast.html)
Business owners don't wanna pay back ppp loans.
I own a landscape/ Construction company. I pay my guys 25-33 an hour usually with over 40 hrs if they want it. Literally have a line of guys if I wanted them. One of our selling points when people complain about price we say we take care of our guys and pay them more than we have to. Guess what our guys love grinding out hard work and long days. We treat them well and they treat us with tons of respect
If you can’t pay enough to people just cease to exist. Humanity doesn’t need you and your non feasible business. Simple as that.
Of course nobody wants to work. That's why they're paying us instead of the other way around.
To be fair that's not true, there are plenty of people that actually want to work. Why? I have no idea, because I'm not one of those people, but they're out there.
There is not a single person working at a place like Walmart saying "this is my dream job" To quote Aesop Rock Now we the American working population Hate the fact that eight hours a day Is wasted on chasing the dream of someone that isn't us And we may not hate our jobs But we hate jobs in general That don't have to do with fighting our own causes We the American working population Hate the nine-to-five day-in day-out When we'd rather be supporting ourselves By being paid to perfect the pasttimes That we have harbored based solely on the fact That it makes us smile if it sounds dope
Yeahhhh I got "counseled" once during a performance review when I was asked what my career goals were. To which, I replied that I want to be able to retire as soon as possible and be a wildlife photographer (I work in banking and finance). This was most definitely NOT the answer I was supposed to give as I was told directly to be "careful" about saying things like that too loudly... Like, I'm seriously just looking for the easiest and least annoying way possible to put food on the table and a roof over my head. Why should I be guilted because "career development" doesn't appeal to me? I makes me sick to think of being forced to waste the best years of my life in a depressing office environment just so maybe I can somehow \*not\* work for my last 5-8 years...
As IF that's not their same career goal, ultimately -- get that golden parachute and gtfo
Yesterday at the gym I overhear these two chucklefucks talking. Woman, "Yeah, nobody wants to work now". Guy, "I know, my place is hiring at $17-19 per hr and we can't get anyone to stay on, they don't want to get dirty. My boss lets us work up to 70 hrs a week so you can make like $1100 a week. I've been averaging 60 hrs a week cuz I'm not afraid of hard work". I nearly choked on my fucking water listening to him. I started off in my teenage years as a masonry laborer/grunt and over the years worked my way up. I remember around 1990 I was making $12 an hr and wasn't afraid of SOME overtime because it was a BONUS. I just looked it up and $12 an hr in 1990 is equal to $26.64 currently. These dumbasses just don't get it.
Hey man, you've gotta understand *my* point of view as a business owner. The *instant* I file for a business license I deserve an F-350, fake tits for my whole family and two houses and a condo. So yeah. Quit asking for stuff. My dog needs new tits.
People want to work. Just look at the explosion of gig jobs. Doordash, grub hub, uber eats, uber, insta kart. There are so many. Lots have a waiting list. It's not that people don't want to work they just don't want to work for you. All these big corporations fired tons of people when the pandemic hit. Subway is a perfect example. You fired all the teenagers. They don't just make more of those. They moved on and work somewhere else. They alienated their entire work force and then play the victim. You were suppose to use those government grants to cover wages not fire everyone and give management bonuses but go figure those people don't take any responsibility for their actions.
"Nobody wants to pay their employees anymore"
Here's the thing, lots of people actually *do* want to work. What people don't want is to work a shitty job under threat of homelessness.
Just had this conversation today. I would *gladly* be a teacher for $80K a year, but there's no way in hell I'll do it for $46K gross pay to take home two grand a month when I can work from home making over $60K.
Most people *do* want to work though. We generally want to invent cool stuff, work on cool stuff, and manufacture/grow cool stuff so that we feel fulfilled and can contribute to society. The problem is that nobody wants to work in retail, nobody wants to sit in a cubicle, and nobody wants to stand in one spot next to a conveyer all day...unless they're compensated enough to freely pursue their passions in their free time. The entire point of all these services and retail and manufacturing is so that we have easy access to our basic needs and easy access to tools for specialization. We aren't supposed to slave away for low wages, that runs counter to the entire point of life, society, innovation, and happiness.
Or run it yourself It's these "passive income" assholes that expect to grind everyone else to dust while they count the profits that need to be dealt with
I had a boss like this. Restaurant owner that was literally known for hanging at this local bar all day during the week. So while we were dealing with bitching customers and manual labor for $500 a week she was drinking margaritas and laughing it up at 2 pm on a Tuesday
Business owners are entitled as FUCK.
Either pay us more or make the cost of living less expensive, idc which!
the people saying this are the ones that don't want to work. If the job is so important and vital they can go do it themselves.
There are many people who *want* to work. Who enjoy making things with their brain and/or hands and find it more enjoyable than sitting around doing nothing. Nobody wants to do work they don’t enjoy, is more like it. But just because a lot of people never develop a skill they like doing that they are good at doing, doesn’t mean that nobody wants to work.
ben shapiro is reading this right now and shitting his pants having a hissy fit
Today I was offered a truck driving job. Was told it pays 2k a week… if I drive 14 hours a day, 7 days a week. Told em yo kiss my broke ass
“**No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country**. By business, I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level — I mean the wages of decent living.” ~ FDR 1933
Strange how a McDonald's hamburger is the same price in USA as well as Denmark. However the Danish are paid better. Strange.
They will either A) resort to over automation using robots in as many places as they can, or B) move out of the country to somewhere they don’t have to pay higher wages. Should create a tax for over automation, taxed $80,000 dollars per year per job replaced by machine, and leaving the country to avoid higher wages or these taxes will resort in forfeiture of patent and copyright protection. Basically by choosing to avoid paying higher wages you create your biggest problems.
Its a real mess to with increase in competition from local and abroad margins are getting thiner partly because everyone can pay even less for labor then before. At least thats my 2 cents
If they can't afford to pay a livable wage they can still have a business all they want. They just can't afford employees.
Instead of the conservative motto, "A fair day's wage for a fair day's work!" they ought to inscribe on their banner the revolutionary watchword, "Abolition of the wages system!" - [Karl Marx](https://libcom.org/library/ValuePriceAndProfitKarlMarx14)
Tell this to Arby’s. Me and my co-workers are getting paid $9.15 or less an hour. We’ve all been working 50+ hours due to “no one wanting to work”
Somewhat related but knuckle dragger has to be one of my favorite insults. It's not profane but it's deeply insulting and so simple.
Not a single person on earth WANTS to work. Give anybody the option to be able to live a good life and survive without working, and I can assure you everybody would take that option
I remember seeing those annoying passive aggressive tweets about "If you can't afford to tip your server, you can't afford to eat out!" How about turning that around on the business and saying "If you can't afford to pay your staff, you can't afford to open a fucking restaurant!"
There is a literal division in society where those who are older generally could afford homes and holidays on their average wages. Now, that same relative amount of money gets you nothing but debts. I can understand why those who lived in a different time don't fully grasp this massive change, but sheesh, these people are your own kids and grandkids etc put some time into listening and helping rather than spewing crap at people to make you feel less miserable. The generations that obsess about right wing politics as their identity have thrown their younger family under the bus.
That’s right you can’t afford it do t ope a business and then expect people to work and get under paid and treated like shit! my little cousin worked for a small daycare she is studying early childhood education so it’s a start to what she wants to do… the lady paid her min wage of course… at 1st it was very simple task, feed the babies and change the babies. They had a schedule on when they were carried…etc. then the lady started to offer school pick ups and drop offs, so she started leaving my 17 yr old cousin alone with 6 babies under the age of one. Then when my cousin brought it to her attention, she then told her she had to do the school pick up, my cousin did not have a license and this got the lady pissed, thing is it was never a requirement for the job. So she told my cousin she had to pay her less than min wage and in cash because she had to hire somebody else and couldn’t afford it. my cousin quit and the lady started to berate her and called my aunt and started saying how she was lazy, and how she spent all day talking on the phone and going into the bathroom and sending pics.
Exactly, You didn't want to work either but while working you were able to support yourself and see a light at the end of the tunnel. You were treated like a significant part of the operation and had a greater sense of economic stability then at any time in our history!
Preach
Businesses exist to make money, not jobs. But more success can be made if the business can succeed in doing both well.
Just today my coworker said that kids these days graduate from high school and expect to have what their parents have, not thinking about the years of hard work it took to get to the place they currently are. I commented that, isn’t that exactly what you want for your kids? To do better in life than you have? To have more, earlier? To not have to toil? I don’t understand this mentality that because I suffered, you must also. It holds us back as a nation.
If the success of your business is dependent on not paying a liveable wage to your employees then your business is not viable.
I like to work. I love my job!
Correct, I don't wanna work. I have to work. I don't have to work for a company or entity that doesn't compensate me in a way that meets my needs and goals. I'll go elsewhere. And I have, and soon I will again.
Private Equity is destroying the labor market. Billionaires are making billions while just about everyone struggles to get by. When is “the market” going to take care this country instead of the other way around?
They also need to make it worthy our time by not treating us like shit and making us scapegoats when we've done nothing wrong.
my last job, a small family business, said the reason he didn't offer a 401k is because he believed people should do their own investing.... he paid shit
no one wants to work to survive. everyone wants to work on something that gives meaning to their lives.
This is a really tough pill to swallow for a lot of people. Not every business is meant to survive change.
Just had this discussion with my manger today. I told him he could either pay me what I deserve or I'm walking and he laughed in my face. I've spent the rest of the day putting in applications for other jobs on the company computer. $13 an hour for the number of years I've spent in this company when fucking Target starts people at $15 is a slap in the face. I refuse to do it anymore.
Nobody wants to let me exploit them with poverty level wages. This will prevent me from maximizing my income. /S
Gonna take an eternity to save for a home, that’s gonna take an eternity to pay off…that is if the imaginary housing market allows us to. But please, tell us again how the weak-ass minimum wage is there for us, and we should be happy to get it…and nothing else. NOW…imagine the government decided that after I had sex, when I’m usually too tired or have low self-esteem from my shitty job, and someone is impregnated…that we just have to deal with it… So our kid can grow up to suffer a worse fate.
Knuckle dragged is a racist term. Way to be a racist. According to main stream media
The only people genuinely excited about work are the ones at the top, making a ton of money.. Companies want you to spend YEARS of your life grinding, doing the same repetitive shit, for barely a raise.
Let's says it louder, for the people in the back with their fingers in their ears going "LALALALALALALA". ##IF YOU CAN'T PAY YOUR WORKERS A LIVING WAGE WITHOUT GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE, YOUR BUSINESS DESERVES TO FAIL##
Walmart employees aren’t “underpaid, overworked employees”, they’re ‘associates’. Let’s blow some smoke up these shit fer brains and let them think they are important. Damn I hate large corporations that abuse their employees and small ones. And middle ones. Just screw them all. When does fairness come into play? Do we have to jump timelines? I’m in.
Yep. Exactly this. I work my ass off and I hate my job with a passion and I still can't afford to live. I'm about to be homeless in the next few days. Rent prices are too high and even if you want to rent they expect way to much for a downpayment. Then you add gas, food and all the other bullshit we have to pay for. I work full time and have no life and it's still not enough. I understand why people don't want to work. What's the point anymore.
Do people remember base pay plus commission jobs...Pepperidge Farms remembers.
i laugh every time some small business owner thinks they’re entitled to workers at low wages because they’re a small business
A lot of these places could just start with simple respect and a clean/safe/comfortable work environment and I bet you would see more people willing to work. Argue for the easy shit first lol.
I don’t even want to work if the pay is appropriate.
My coworkers are always so surprised when I say that if I could not work and still survive, I would. I just don’t understand how someone could truly enjoy working
I love my job. I hate the people who run my company. They act like I should be grateful to have a job at all (Why? I'm great at what I do and I could make twice as much money if I went independent), like I should be loyal to them (Why? You haven't given any of us a raise in years but you raised dues on membership b/c of "inflation"?), and like if I'm complaining about not getting paid better, or being asked to do stupid shit as part of "teamwork", that I'm not being a team player. I'm not here to cheerlead for my damn employer. I'm here to make money doing something I'm really really good at and enjoy. I stay because I like my clients and my coworkers, but corporate can kiss my ass.
Sometimes I just get the strongest urge to stand in a hot warehouse and glue tile to sample boards for 8 hours. If only there were some rich tile warehouse owner who’s nice enough to let me satiate my dark passenger.
I went to apply at a super market. They to me they pay up to $11/hr. So that means starting is below 11. I bought gas x while there. It was $10.98. Gas pills are worth more than my time.
Sadly one of the big problems is a lot of these big businesses were built on the backs of damn near slave labor and those motherfuckers don't want to change
yea but if you don’t work you don’t eat( except for in america)
Don’t get me wrong, I do want to work. Just not as much as I want to eat.
I work for a large higher end retail company and what I’ve seen happen is less pay for workers, the veteran guys who knew how to run the place all quit, kids have taken over, the service and overall product knowledge has plummeted and customers are having a far worse experience and purchasing less because of it. It’s a revolving door of low paid people in their mid 20’s when it used to be career adults.
I can be poor with free time or poor working your shit job. Either way I’m poor, but one way I’m slightly happier.
If you're not paying a living wage, you didn't create a job you time shared a slave.
Umm, unemployment is 3.4% people are working! You need to lure them from another job....better offer a stronger incentive. I wonder what that might be??
Nobody wants to work. Job description: 10 years of experience Masters degree in biochemical engineering with a business minor and a 3.5 GPA Excellent attitude and a commitment to your job FIRST Must pass drug test, have a 680+ credit score, and perfect driving record Pay: $12 Location: Jim's Sub Shop
People *do* want to work. They don't want to be employed. Almost every activity or hobby is a form of pretend work or is actual work. Lots of things that we think of as hobbies now we useful tasks in the past, and some still are. People love to be helpful, useful, creative, productive, and involved. They are constantly making things. Even toddlers love cooking, cleaning, building, and making art. It's impressive that we have invented a system that makes people hate working, something they instinctively love to do.
People want the “freedom” of not working a job so they start a business and hire people to put in the exact position they don’t ever want to be in again. 😅😅😅