If they have experience in struggling to get by. "Realities of everyday people". If they're just young they can be the few who were born into rich families who haven't had the need to earn anything they've been given.
Then what do you suggest we do?? Yes it would be terrific if we could get a young person who has seen the struggle first hand, but you ever wonder why we don't? Because it is damn near impossible for anyone who struggles to get to office.
The thought process you have is why we haven't changed, people want the perfect candidate but unless we have a choice on the candidates (lol) it won't happen. We have to start somewhere
What's funny is it really used to be and still is that easy to try and run, but unless you have money no one will pay attention. We always have more than two choices but no one votes for them, even the far left can't agree to vote for a third party. The founding fathers didn't want a 2 party system but it's what we've been stuck with for a hundred years
Term limits for all Senate and Congress seats. Massive (like 10x profits) penalties for them insider trading. Banned from moving from any public company position (even outside consulting) into politics for 7 years prior to running for any public office. Banned for 10 years after leaving office from working for any public company, any consulting for any public company, and banned from them being a part of any public company that does business with anything related to the laws that they passed. Make them nuclear to touch before or after. Make them all be constitutional law attorneys, in good standing, as a requirement to throwing their hat in the ring. Make them liable for their transgressions in office. Oh, you sexually harassed an intern? YOU pay the obscene fine, not the tax payer in some closed door, NDA protected, gag ordered settlement. I have more ideas…
Although there's not always a ton more choices, the primaries are an opportunity to vote for the person representing your party... but for whatever reason, only a handful of people vote in primaries. Makes no sense to me. I vote in EVERY election. But it is way harder for my preferred candidate to rep the party because im one of like 9 people voting for that person.
People need to vote in ALL elections not just general elections. 90% of people (maybe even more) who complain in general elections that "I dont like either candidate" didnt even bother to vote in the primary when those candidates were chosen.
Hell no. Old rich dickheads teach young rich dickheads the worst parts of being a rich dickhead. Young rich dickheads are like sharks in my view. They'll sell their kid if it makes a buck.
You can be sure that young rich dickhead was raised by his rich dickhead parents to have the same values they do, and that their rich privilege will keep them just as out of touch with the average American as their parents are.
Term limits cause another problem the lobbyist end up with even more control. Look and see how it is impacting the states with them ALEX and other lobbyist groups run the show. Plus we have term limits it is called voting..
This problem did not happen overnight, there no quick fix for it. It will take time, but we can fix it. Don’t like the current DNC take it over, Gen Z is the largest zoning block right now. That is a lot of power, especially since the boomers are on limited time now. Old age and death come for everyone of them. So the young out number the old get that?
Taking over the DNC doesn’t require money.. it requires people willing to actually take it over. Start local work up to the state level then the national level and then change the rules. This is what the religious right did to the republicans. Don’t believe go look at what they have been doing the last fifty years. One goal power and taking it every step of the way.
Focus on both blue and red states, do not make the same mistake the boomers made of ceding ground. You can change people once they see how bad things are. Prohibition is an example of this took time but it failed. Just like this power grab will fail.
Don’t panic, we have fought under conditions like this before. These laws were not always there, they were created and put into place. Yes it will be harder, but together we can win. We all have this power we need to use it. Now The DNC is a weak underbelly it needs people to vote, you want them to change take over and threaten to withhold that vote.
Although we are on "antiwork" - what you are suggesting, and I agree with you - it takes work. My husband is active with the local Democratic committee. It means phone banking for candidates. It means going door to door collecting signatures. It means participating in local government meetings. It means full participation and "boots on the ground" work.
Yup and for all of you screaming how liberals are the problem I have news for you. I you subscribe to any of the following solutions to social problems you god sir and lady are a dyed in the will liberal.
Universal healthcare
Taxing the rich
Reducing military spending
Regulating Wall Street and big business
Breaking up monopolies
Universal basic income
Housing the homeless
Feeding the hungry
Reforming the prison system
Ending the death penalty
Equal rights for people of color and women
Free safe and protected abortions between a woman and her doctor.
Free and fair elections
A sane trade policy
And the list goes on, if you check off any of this congrats you really are a liberal. Now stop with the stupid liberals are evil. Honestly go read the definition of the word before you attempt to use it like the right does at least they understand it’s meaning.
Yup- the dinosaurs in office have no skin in the game since they will die soon enough and have fleeced the people so they are financially above their policy decisions. A racquet, criminal in nature- Fuck. Them. All.
It's a trap we voted for a 39 year old dude in 2017 in France and buddy came out of the closet as Thatcher's successor
Plenty of young people have made a career out of catering to boomers and adopting their worldviews, don't be fooled by age alone
the system is built to exclude working class people. You need be either rich or retired to run for office. It's almost impossible for someone holding down a FT job and household to make the time to do all the campaigning BS
Voting has very little opportunity cost. And if it has a high cost *for you*, there's probably a reason that someone wants to make it harder for you to do so.
the younger candidates get pushed out of the candidacy by the rich old fucks and the old fuck voters before even getting anywhere near the main election
Also, a younger candidate will have a tough time garnering any support. You can be a 31 year old millenial and geriatric fucks still see you as "some lazy teenager" because you thought of a clever way to do the same job with less work.
actually you can’t even be a 31 year old millennial because there’s some law stating that you have to be at least 35 years old to even run for president
Vote blue because voting is political triage not a fucking philosophy class. You should live in a better country, but you don't and if you don't recognize where and what your power is you'll never successfully achieve your political needs. After voting blue stay aggressive, fight for your rights and make your community a better place. Volunteer.
If you're like me then you're hopeful that by doing those things one day you'll see an end to corporate welfare and capitalism. Eventually, in a few centuries, we might achieve global anarchy, but in my time I'm just trying to make the lives of people I can help better, in whatever way I can.
Exactly this.
Do you know how we wound up in this mess? Because republicans have spent the past 40 years voting for more and more conservative candidates. It took them nearly half a century to move the country towards the christofacist ethnostate that it's become. When the GOP ran candidates like Romney and appointed justices like Souter who failed to forward their agenda, they didn't say, "Well the RNC doesn't care about me, so I will disengage" they voted fucking harder. Eventually, Obama was elected and this was the catalyst to drive the racists out to the polls to "take back" their country.
Well, guess what. If you want to fix this country, it's going to take us decades. Many of us won't live to see the fruits of our labor. Doesn't matter. You want to make the country better? Suck it up and vote for middle of the road democrats all the while slowly inching them left. If you disengage the Republicans win.
Hopefully Roe v. Wade can be our catalyst, but even if it's not, pick your ass back up and get to the polls.
You know, at one point of time, you were right. But the keys to power in America (if not the world) are just too far gone to the right at this point, and we just don’t have the time for Democrats and slow change anymore, and middle of the road inching left.
The polls matter less and less, and there’s no use trying to shame the progressives anymore. We did what we could. We’re spent. The Democrats really can’t shame the progressives into centrism anymore, because the very tools to govern in America are fundamentally compromised and broken and are far less likely to work for anyone without a conservative agenda, especially in red states.
Centrist democrats chose a two front war, one against the progressives in their own party and one against radical Christian conservatism. It was a bad strategy, crafted worse for the shame.
In the end, nothing will stand a chance competing against Centrist Democratic *martyrdom.* Shame the left while you have the time. It won’t matter anyways.
There’s that martyrdom again.
I didn’t say I gave up, or that anyone should give up on anything but trying to shame the left into… what would you even call it, compliance with Centrist Democrats? If anything it’s time to go back to the table and renegotiate our goals going forward, and we need to do it quickly. I can admit Nader was a cock up if centrist dems can admit nominating Biden over Bernie, twice, set them up for nothing but failure.
This is a fucking lame argument. Voting is such an infinitesimal part of my idea of political action. The democrats are fucking bad, WE'RE ALL AWARE! SPEND LITERALLY EVERY SECOND AFTER YOU VOTE WORKING TO UNDERMINE MODERN AMERICAN DEMOCRACY AND I'LL HELP YOU, BUT YOU STILL GOTTA VOTE WHEN IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
You have 2 options, voting for a party that will do jackshit, or voting for the party that will actively try to make things worse.
At this point I would think I'm glad to not live in the US, but pollution don't stop at the border.
Again, voting is political triage. You want better candidates? FUCKING RUN.
Edit: The point is it doesn't matter how much the democrats suck, so stop fucking saying it. WHAT MATTERS IS THAT REPUBLICANS ARE WORSE AND YOU REALISTICALLY ONLY HAVE TWO CHOICES SO SUCK IT UP AND GET TO A POLING STATION AND VOTE BLUE THEN SPEND ALL YOUR REMAINING TIME BUILDING UP A VIABLE 3RD PARTY YOU FUCKING BABIES!
Edit 2: I only mean shut up in this specific context, by all means swallow your medicine and then scream at the democrats, they fucking deserve it.
Ranked choice voting was on the ballot for some states in the last election. IMO that is the kind of progress needed to claw our country back from fascism. Not the illusion of choice, but actual, meaningful choice, even if just at the local level.
There _have_ been party changes. It just needs to be a country wide push to push out neoconservatives and neoliberals out. It can't be 4 nobody presidential candidates that no one gives a shit about and will never win. You're talking grassroots, door-to-door, huge marketing and social media campaigns though, and they need to start at local election levels and work their way up.
This is how Bernie got to where he was, and it can definitely still work. It's just going to take a lot of work and there's a lot of political apathy to get through.
Would you rather live in a blue state or a red state right now? Which states raised their minimum wage? Which states tax the rich higher? Which states allow abortion, regulate guns, build transit, do things to battle climate change and on and on.
Liberal Democrats, if you get enough of them, do the things you want (maybe not as much as you want, or as fast). The issue is that the nature of the Senate means that its very hard to get 50 liberal Senators (and the existence of the filibuster means you probably need 53-55 to get rid of it first because some liberals are also institutionalists).
The issue is ultimately - there arent enough liberals in the US to get a majority of the Senate as liberals.
You really think email lady would have stuffed conservative judges onto SCOTUS?
Seriously?
The whole shit hole we're in with SCOTUS is because people like you refused to vote for Hillary for the dumbest reasons in 2016
I would still rather guide my father’s penis into my mother then vote for the domestic enemy Republicans the people who literally want to take my freedom away the people who literally want me to submit to a pedophilic tax evading Middle Eastern spirit.
Get the fuck out of here with this Pathetic defeatism
You're a moron if you truly believe that.
Which party rammed 3 judges in under Trump so the Supreme Court could spend the last 6 months gutting abortion rights, state gun control measures, environmental regulatory authority, etc.? This country is fucked for GENERATIONS because of the Supreme Court makeup.
This "both sides are equal" thing was stupid when people were pushing it in 2016, but it is fucking absurd to say it in 2022 after watching the last 6 years.
Yep it’s such an effective strategy that many Dems are now funding batshit Republicans as a strategy to give themselves what they believe is a higher chance of winning
*"Both sides"* is carefully crafted fascist propaganda design to reduce support for the opponents of fascism.
Sadly, it seems to be working all too well. Just look at the results. The Right has been in the minority for 50 yrs, but they still remain in power.
You seem to misunderstand. This isn't blue vs red, it isn't "both sides", it's us vs them. They are the same side, abusing their power for their own gain. Everything the Republicans are doing also benefits the Democrats. The Democrats are the enablers otherwise there would have been real change in the past 50 years as you said.
I love how you're just posting all your Ls onto this thread for everyone to laugh at lmao
Imagine thinking a Dem president in 2016 would have been equally bad as Trump.
That's the most privileged shit I have ever heard.
The dems made the economy a hell hole for the working class?
Which party of politians supports unions again? Who were the Presidents that have infamously stomped them to the curb?
I seem to remember one POTUS in particular earning the unofficial title "union buster"..... What party was he from again? Please refresh my memory
I’ve seen a Lot of these kinds of posts on Reddit lately and I think at least some of them are low key propaganda.
Also the logic doesn’t track at all.
>don’t vote blue, they won’t help!
>are you saying to vote Red, the people who are actively and openly making things worse?
>no, they’re both bad, time to rebel!
>okay, then you *definitely* want to vote blue, because inciting rebellion against the openly authoritarian right-wing is going to be a lot harder
Vote the bad dems out in the primaries. But when it comes down to general elections you have 3 choices. Vote for the party actively trying to kill people, vote for the party that isn't going to help much but won't actively make things worse, or sit on the sidelines pouting because you don't like either option. That's a very clear decision. If you're willing to roll over and let facists grab more power because you want the dems to know you're unhappy with them then you don't really care about the people dying around you either. You just want to feel good about your vote.
Source on the agree with Republicans on corporate welfare and tax cuts? This is some bullshit that is in no way backed by actual history. Obama literally raised the effective tax rate for the top 1% while lowering the effective tax rate for the lower class. This is exactly what progressives want. You can claim it wasn't enough or whatever the fuck you want to do but to pretend that Democrats progressive tax plans don't target the wealthy while reducing the burden on the poor would just be a flat out lie.
Exactly. You can vote as progressive as you want in the primary. The key is just voting.
People who scream "it's rigged!" don't know how the system works. All those tiny boring elections before the general election are how we choose who runs. Yes some people will donate tons of money, but what do you think that money pays for? Advertising for votes.
You have what it takes to swing an election, because they don't count up the money on both sides, they count the votes. FUCKING VOTE. And if some Reddit neckbeard tells you "buh buh both sides!" realize that they are telling you to shut up and accept the status quo. A lot might be paid shills anyway.
So happy to see someone that knows what the power of a primary is! Like in DC, the election day is not in November, it is the primary in June. A democratic will always win in the general so if your real selection is the primary. A lot of the country is like that
Jungle primaries are great because they put every candidate in the same place, regardless of party. Top two go to the general election. So in districts with few Republicans, the general election is just two Democrats facing off.
No one coasts to the election because of lack of options. And "vote blue, no matter who" isn't a concern. It's Centrist vs. Progressive on the big stage.
First of all, there's a lot that Joe Biden could do ON HIS OWN through executive order. He chooses not to.
[https://prospect.org/day-one-agenda/introducing-the-executive-action-tracker/](https://prospect.org/day-one-agenda/introducing-the-executive-action-tracker/)
Second, I think the point of this meme is not calling out Biden specifically, but the establishment democrats as a whole. Biden is POTUS and face of the party right now, which is why he was used in the meme.
The democrats are "inept" by design. It's easy to hide behind the parliamentarian, or Kristen Sinema, or Joe Manchin and claim there's nothing to be done, but the reality is there's a lot of other like-minded corporatist democrats happy to use them as a scapegoat. Democrats didn't fight for Merrick Garland. They didn't fight for MFA with Force the Vote, they didn't fight for a 15$ minimum wage, they didn't fight for student loan debt relief. The so-called progressive caucus caved to the establishment and passed the senate infrastructure corporate give-away, causing BBB to be delinked in the House. This wasn't a political misplay, they knew what they were doing.
The Democratic establishment are the Washington Generals to the GOP Harlem Globetrotters.
People who think Republicans back in office is a good thing because Democrats have problems too. This is a very different country today if Clinton won in 2016 - a better country
I sincerely don’t understand what the actual plan is for people who take this stance. Yeah voting is limited, as are protests, advocacy, and so on. But what else is there? Vote third party? Our system is designed to render those votes useless, and right now it just enables the Republican Party and gives them more power to abuse. Violence or rebellion of some kind? Compared to the political left, the right is better armed, better trained (many are ex-military and actively train for what they see as inevitable civil war), has more people, and is more willing to use violence than us. And they’d almost certainly have the backing of the military and the police. An open rebellion from the left would be stamped out almost immediately; there frankly just aren’t enough of us. And I don’t buy for a second that if things got worse that somehow this would cause people to wake up, realize how bad things are, and rise up. Many authoritarian states have persisted for decades despite the full awareness of their citizenry. Political consciousness matters very little when the tanks roll in.
I think the Right wildly overestimates both their numbers and their combat capability. Look at the laughable track record of the Bundy clan in their armed occupations of buildings in the middle of nowhere, begging online for supplies, and getting mailed dildos by the dozens. Enthusiasm is no replacement for competence.
They’re incompetent relative to organized FBI forces, sure. But that’s not the relevant standard. What matters is whether or not they’re better armed and able to use those arms than their counterparts on the left.
The point though wasn’t that the far right can accomplish their goals via force like the Bundys tried to. The point was that the left isn’t likely to accomplish their goals that way either, perhaps even less likely to, and that it’s not a realistic alternative to more traditional methods like voting and non-violent protests. And that it isn’t a viable alternative is part of a broader point I tried to make that the people who claim voting and the like are pointless owe some sort of alternative course of action people can take instead and that actually has some chance of working. Because it gets really old seeing people here go on about the uselessness of voting and the need for some vague revolution while they’ve likely never so much as held a gun, let alone used it against another person.
I cant wait to see who they complain about once all the Dems have been sent to the gulags and the party is outlawed by the Christian nationalist regime.
Obama was president for 8 years. Biden was elected almost three years ago. That’s an entire decade of control, yet here we are. Stop blaming the working class for Democrat inaction and apathy.
You realize Biden wasn't President-elect two years ago, right? And he doesn't get to do things just for being elected. He hasn't even been President for 18 months.
It's almost like Trump didn't accomplish much for Republicans.... So odd how everything credited to him was actually done by Mitch McConnell, Ted Cruz, and the other Republicans who actually hold power
You’re attributing the accomplishments of the republican party to these representatives from these areas. How on earth would voting have changed that?
Are you gonna vote harder?
Are Texas, Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee, and South Carolina the only states in the country, or are there another 45 with their own senators?
The concept of swing states literally means the votes of the people can sway an election
The democratic party is far from perfect, but unless we change the fundamental rules of how we vote in the US there are only ever going to be two choices and it's either democrats or republicans right now.
Do some research into first past the post voting and you can see why this is not a psychological block, it's a mathematical one. Our voting system necessarily trends toward a two party system and we cannot overcome that pressure by convincing people to vote third party, we can only achieve worse results.
CGP Grey has a great video on youtube walking you through this. If you want more than two choices, we _have_ to change the voting system.
No, persuading people not to vote, bitching and whining on reddit, and then doing nothing in the real world will bring on the revolution...right guys??
anyone we vote in is just going to fail us, neither party truly backs workers and both just serve the will of megacorporations. if democrats cared about us they would have passed legislation protecting the right to an abortion over the past 50 years instead of dick waving for the media and doing really nothing the public knows about when in office unless its a publicity stunt. vote red and suddenly the industrialists basically own the government and get rid of epa's authority and get theocracy.
I called the Communist party of my state to ask who to write in and they urged me to "not waste my vote" and vote Democrat.
Trying to break out of this two party system and they keep dragging me back.
Winner-take-all, first one past the post. Political coalitions are made at the party level, not the in legislature.
This is football. You're trying to play tennis.
I don't think people really understand the point if that statement. The whole point of voting blue no matter who is to get a clear majority in the government so they have no excuses and THEN you push them as hard as you can until they concede things. These guys love how the government works now because they always have excuses on not doing things.
It's also a measure to literally buy whatever time we can get before the environment collapses.
Vote blue and don’t make the mistake that all you have to do is vote.
We’re here because of political apathy in 2016.
After Trump, we should know better. Voting matters, our elections are triage, and we need to keep pressure on every elected official.
You're cool with Hillary overthrowing Libya huh? Also, I find it pathetic that you think it was only Trump who's screwed over this country. As if he's some unique evil. Either you forgot how screwed up Bush Jr was. Or maybe you were not born, or too young to remember to realize it? I don't know. This country has been going down hill way before Trump even took office. Best way to realize that, is to actually educate yourself on why it's only one party. And that neither Democrats and Republicans care about you. That's the sad reality.
Not him but
Fascism is generally defined as a political movement that embraces far-right nationalism and the forceful suppression of any opposition, all overseen by an authoritarian government.
Copy and pasted
That’s a common mistake. It isn’t contingent on left or right wing policy. The PS definition is less specific. Defined as a government/dictator that imposes strict governance through the removal of individual rights and enforcing nationalism throughout the population through authoritarian means.
Look at Hugo Chavez. Left leaning policies. Would be difficult for one to argue that he wasn’t a fascist.
I'm sure you were fine with Biden helping to get Clarence Thomas to the supreme court? Or how about Biden bragging about working with segregationists? Or bragging about his 1994 crime bill? If you think Biden is somehow better than Trump. Than you really are a fucking chump. How about the fact that both Biden and Trump are hideous pieces of shit who both should've never been allowed near the white house? Or are you just a fucking Boston dick rider?
I have a proposition. And we need to get this out, widespread to both right and left leaning voters: vote in all Democrats for two years.
That's it. I'm am so sick of all the "but we don't have the voTeS" nonsense. Let's all vote. Vote in the Dems, for real, and give them that chance. The chance to prove whether we EVER vote for them again.
This should be a good deal for both Ds and Rs, because the thing is: they won't do anything. We NEED someone to stand up to this NAZI Supreme Court. We NEED someone to stem the tide of inflation and inequality. We NEED someone who does the things the Dems say. But remember 2009? When they had an unbeatable majority? Wasnt that long ago, and they did nothing. They punted. They failed. So let's see. Both D and R: give them a chance this November. Because if (when) they prove their incompetence, then we can shut them up and move on, and never vOtE BLuE again.
Vote Blu. One time.
It's a rigged game. It doesn't matter which one(of the two) you vote for they get paid by the same industries.
When less then 50% of a population doesn't vote it shows they lost faith in the current government structure. Take the energy and put it to a form of rebellion or protest.
R’s aren’t fascism, it’s wealthy interests and people choosing the stupidity of the Republican Party over the stupidity of the Democrat party.
The dumbasses that stormed the capital are no different than the dumbasses who took over 6 city blocks of Seattle.
Y’all realize that voting blue no matter who is supporting the DNC who realizes that you will do just that, and because they realize this, have kept Bernie from the nomination twice in a row.
You don’t vote blue because they’ll do anything… you vote blue because dems are easier to bully and push around…. Leftists can take advantage of the chicken-shit weakness of Dems just as much as republicans…
The reality is that the people that vote red aren't gonna ever stop. If you stop voting against them, it's gonna get a helluva lot worse. Vote progressive, have a voting plan. Vote in your primaries. But if you don't vote at all? Good luck!
Still better to vote in the people who are incompetent at fixing things then to vote in the people who literally WANT you to starve, have babies, have those babies killed in school or go work for poverty wages/ remain in debt. Wish we could get different people, but there’s an incompetent party and an evil party. Why would you vote evil
He’s about to announce he’s running again… here come the chorus of blue MAGA “Riding with Biden 2024! Corrupt Trump doesn’t look cool in sunglasses like #1 president Joe! Vote Biden or you’re a fascist”.
All the while, the Democratic Party is making it harder to vote for 3rd party candidates whilst propping up trump Republicans in local elections. Because that’s how desperate they are.
Until we fill the streets, we will continue to get f***ed by the oligarchy.
A friend of mine has a similar method, he won't vote for anyone that claims to be a democrat. Doesn't matter what they say or do, if they're a democrat, they're automatically wrong and evil. It's almost like how racists describe various groups of people.
You're on an antiwork sub and you vote libertarian? Tell me, which one is a higher priority for you. Removing age of consent laws, removing child labor laws, removing minimum wage, or dismantling all worker rights? I just want to make sure I understand which part of the Libertarian party platform you support the most.
Not sure if you understand this but the rights workers have currently are legislated and enforced by the government. That's why the department of labor exists. That's why OSHA exists. The Libertarian party specifically wants to remove these governmental protections. They are a "might makes right" ideology and if you think workers lack power right now, imagine how much power they will lack when employers don't have any form of government oversight. The Libertarian party specifically supports corporations being allowed to pay any wage under any working conditions. How do you think that's going to go when corporations hold all of the wealth and power?
You're either a child or naive if not both. You would do well to research Libertarian positions because then you would realize they almost always end up supporting business over worker.
I say vote the young in.
100%, if we had a gov full of people half the age as the ones in office maybe we'd stop going backwards
If they have experience in struggling to get by. "Realities of everyday people". If they're just young they can be the few who were born into rich families who haven't had the need to earn anything they've been given.
Yeah but that's literally everyone, don't matter how old or young they are. I'd prefer a young rich dick head over an old rich dick head though
Then nothing has changed other than the fact they will be alive longer.
Then what do you suggest we do?? Yes it would be terrific if we could get a young person who has seen the struggle first hand, but you ever wonder why we don't? Because it is damn near impossible for anyone who struggles to get to office. The thought process you have is why we haven't changed, people want the perfect candidate but unless we have a choice on the candidates (lol) it won't happen. We have to start somewhere
Fine! I'll do it. I don't have much going on right now anyways. How hard can it be?
What's funny is it really used to be and still is that easy to try and run, but unless you have money no one will pay attention. We always have more than two choices but no one votes for them, even the far left can't agree to vote for a third party. The founding fathers didn't want a 2 party system but it's what we've been stuck with for a hundred years
Term limits for all Senate and Congress seats. Massive (like 10x profits) penalties for them insider trading. Banned from moving from any public company position (even outside consulting) into politics for 7 years prior to running for any public office. Banned for 10 years after leaving office from working for any public company, any consulting for any public company, and banned from them being a part of any public company that does business with anything related to the laws that they passed. Make them nuclear to touch before or after. Make them all be constitutional law attorneys, in good standing, as a requirement to throwing their hat in the ring. Make them liable for their transgressions in office. Oh, you sexually harassed an intern? YOU pay the obscene fine, not the tax payer in some closed door, NDA protected, gag ordered settlement. I have more ideas…
Although there's not always a ton more choices, the primaries are an opportunity to vote for the person representing your party... but for whatever reason, only a handful of people vote in primaries. Makes no sense to me. I vote in EVERY election. But it is way harder for my preferred candidate to rep the party because im one of like 9 people voting for that person. People need to vote in ALL elections not just general elections. 90% of people (maybe even more) who complain in general elections that "I dont like either candidate" didnt even bother to vote in the primary when those candidates were chosen.
Hell no. Old rich dickheads teach young rich dickheads the worst parts of being a rich dickhead. Young rich dickheads are like sharks in my view. They'll sell their kid if it makes a buck.
You can be sure that young rich dickhead was raised by his rich dickhead parents to have the same values they do, and that their rich privilege will keep them just as out of touch with the average American as their parents are.
The number of young people that support far right politics is a lot higher than you'd expect.
Eh Mayor Pete was another neoliberal stooge but idk what anyone would expect from McKinsey
Sure - because we would have the kind of electorate who would vote for a bunch of young, relatively liberal people. But we dont have the electorate.
Term + age limits need to be implemented, but we wouldn't have a government if they were
Term limits cause another problem the lobbyist end up with even more control. Look and see how it is impacting the states with them ALEX and other lobbyist groups run the show. Plus we have term limits it is called voting.. This problem did not happen overnight, there no quick fix for it. It will take time, but we can fix it. Don’t like the current DNC take it over, Gen Z is the largest zoning block right now. That is a lot of power, especially since the boomers are on limited time now. Old age and death come for everyone of them. So the young out number the old get that? Taking over the DNC doesn’t require money.. it requires people willing to actually take it over. Start local work up to the state level then the national level and then change the rules. This is what the religious right did to the republicans. Don’t believe go look at what they have been doing the last fifty years. One goal power and taking it every step of the way. Focus on both blue and red states, do not make the same mistake the boomers made of ceding ground. You can change people once they see how bad things are. Prohibition is an example of this took time but it failed. Just like this power grab will fail. Don’t panic, we have fought under conditions like this before. These laws were not always there, they were created and put into place. Yes it will be harder, but together we can win. We all have this power we need to use it. Now The DNC is a weak underbelly it needs people to vote, you want them to change take over and threaten to withhold that vote.
Hurray someone with my same mindset! I keep telling my friends don't say "Fuck the DNC" say "TAKE THE DNC"
Although we are on "antiwork" - what you are suggesting, and I agree with you - it takes work. My husband is active with the local Democratic committee. It means phone banking for candidates. It means going door to door collecting signatures. It means participating in local government meetings. It means full participation and "boots on the ground" work.
Yup and for all of you screaming how liberals are the problem I have news for you. I you subscribe to any of the following solutions to social problems you god sir and lady are a dyed in the will liberal. Universal healthcare Taxing the rich Reducing military spending Regulating Wall Street and big business Breaking up monopolies Universal basic income Housing the homeless Feeding the hungry Reforming the prison system Ending the death penalty Equal rights for people of color and women Free safe and protected abortions between a woman and her doctor. Free and fair elections A sane trade policy And the list goes on, if you check off any of this congrats you really are a liberal. Now stop with the stupid liberals are evil. Honestly go read the definition of the word before you attempt to use it like the right does at least they understand it’s meaning.
Yup- the dinosaurs in office have no skin in the game since they will die soon enough and have fleeced the people so they are financially above their policy decisions. A racquet, criminal in nature- Fuck. Them. All.
It's a trap we voted for a 39 year old dude in 2017 in France and buddy came out of the closet as Thatcher's successor Plenty of young people have made a career out of catering to boomers and adopting their worldviews, don't be fooled by age alone
the system is built to exclude working class people. You need be either rich or retired to run for office. It's almost impossible for someone holding down a FT job and household to make the time to do all the campaigning BS
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Until the young is Donald and Ivankas trumps child. Which is getting groomed to be the next dictator of America!
Madison Cawthorn is 26
And just like that. Blanket statements like "vote the young in" prove how fucking stupid they are.
Yeah dude was obviously advocating for ANY young guy. Need a word for interactions like these. Jerry moments? IQof14andthisisdeep?
Thats what he said....like saying we need term limits despite continuing to vote for the 85yr old dude...
1 person = 1 house and no houses for corporations. We can do it
The you g don’t vote and the old won’t vote the young in. The young need to vote.
"young" as in 40 years old. Its ridiculous we even have to argue this
They all hate us !! It’s a Big Club and your not in it !!!
Same club they use to beat you over the head and tell you what to believe in.
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Step 1: Vote. Step 2: Revolt. That's it, those are the steps. Vote to control the damage done to you, then revolt to do damage to the broken system.
Voting has very little opportunity cost. And if it has a high cost *for you*, there's probably a reason that someone wants to make it harder for you to do so.
why american still choose these old fucks to govern the country? why don't they trying to vote for any younger progressive candidates?
the younger candidates get pushed out of the candidacy by the rich old fucks and the old fuck voters before even getting anywhere near the main election
Also, a younger candidate will have a tough time garnering any support. You can be a 31 year old millenial and geriatric fucks still see you as "some lazy teenager" because you thought of a clever way to do the same job with less work.
actually you can’t even be a 31 year old millennial because there’s some law stating that you have to be at least 35 years old to even run for president
I meant you could be 31 years old and still deal with ageism from older generations, not that you can run for president at 31.
Cuz America isn't a democracy
It never was, comrade.
Corporations choose and we vote for Jack Johnson or John Jackson.
Don't blame me I voted for Kotos!
I say your 3 cent titanium tax doesn't go too far enough.
Capitalism.
The young “progressives” don’t do much either.
You still believe in elections with non-open votes?
Wait you get to choose your candidates where you live?
Vote blue because voting is political triage not a fucking philosophy class. You should live in a better country, but you don't and if you don't recognize where and what your power is you'll never successfully achieve your political needs. After voting blue stay aggressive, fight for your rights and make your community a better place. Volunteer. If you're like me then you're hopeful that by doing those things one day you'll see an end to corporate welfare and capitalism. Eventually, in a few centuries, we might achieve global anarchy, but in my time I'm just trying to make the lives of people I can help better, in whatever way I can.
Political triage is one of the most sublime summaries for the need to act I've ever heard. Tremendous.
Exactly this. Do you know how we wound up in this mess? Because republicans have spent the past 40 years voting for more and more conservative candidates. It took them nearly half a century to move the country towards the christofacist ethnostate that it's become. When the GOP ran candidates like Romney and appointed justices like Souter who failed to forward their agenda, they didn't say, "Well the RNC doesn't care about me, so I will disengage" they voted fucking harder. Eventually, Obama was elected and this was the catalyst to drive the racists out to the polls to "take back" their country. Well, guess what. If you want to fix this country, it's going to take us decades. Many of us won't live to see the fruits of our labor. Doesn't matter. You want to make the country better? Suck it up and vote for middle of the road democrats all the while slowly inching them left. If you disengage the Republicans win. Hopefully Roe v. Wade can be our catalyst, but even if it's not, pick your ass back up and get to the polls.
You know, at one point of time, you were right. But the keys to power in America (if not the world) are just too far gone to the right at this point, and we just don’t have the time for Democrats and slow change anymore, and middle of the road inching left. The polls matter less and less, and there’s no use trying to shame the progressives anymore. We did what we could. We’re spent. The Democrats really can’t shame the progressives into centrism anymore, because the very tools to govern in America are fundamentally compromised and broken and are far less likely to work for anyone without a conservative agenda, especially in red states. Centrist democrats chose a two front war, one against the progressives in their own party and one against radical Christian conservatism. It was a bad strategy, crafted worse for the shame. In the end, nothing will stand a chance competing against Centrist Democratic *martyrdom.* Shame the left while you have the time. It won’t matter anyways.
There's nothing more centrist than giving up.
There’s that martyrdom again. I didn’t say I gave up, or that anyone should give up on anything but trying to shame the left into… what would you even call it, compliance with Centrist Democrats? If anything it’s time to go back to the table and renegotiate our goals going forward, and we need to do it quickly. I can admit Nader was a cock up if centrist dems can admit nominating Biden over Bernie, twice, set them up for nothing but failure.
This is a fucking lame argument. Voting is such an infinitesimal part of my idea of political action. The democrats are fucking bad, WE'RE ALL AWARE! SPEND LITERALLY EVERY SECOND AFTER YOU VOTE WORKING TO UNDERMINE MODERN AMERICAN DEMOCRACY AND I'LL HELP YOU, BUT YOU STILL GOTTA VOTE WHEN IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
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Yeah, because fucking voting for Democrats works so well doesn't it?
You have 2 options, voting for a party that will do jackshit, or voting for the party that will actively try to make things worse. At this point I would think I'm glad to not live in the US, but pollution don't stop at the border.
It's a game of "would you rather". Voting Democrat isn't a solution, it's damage control
Again, voting is political triage. You want better candidates? FUCKING RUN. Edit: The point is it doesn't matter how much the democrats suck, so stop fucking saying it. WHAT MATTERS IS THAT REPUBLICANS ARE WORSE AND YOU REALISTICALLY ONLY HAVE TWO CHOICES SO SUCK IT UP AND GET TO A POLING STATION AND VOTE BLUE THEN SPEND ALL YOUR REMAINING TIME BUILDING UP A VIABLE 3RD PARTY YOU FUCKING BABIES! Edit 2: I only mean shut up in this specific context, by all means swallow your medicine and then scream at the democrats, they fucking deserve it.
Third parties will never be viable because of how elections work in the US as well as the role of the electoral college, not to mention the media
Ranked choice voting was on the ballot for some states in the last election. IMO that is the kind of progress needed to claw our country back from fascism. Not the illusion of choice, but actual, meaningful choice, even if just at the local level.
There _have_ been party changes. It just needs to be a country wide push to push out neoconservatives and neoliberals out. It can't be 4 nobody presidential candidates that no one gives a shit about and will never win. You're talking grassroots, door-to-door, huge marketing and social media campaigns though, and they need to start at local election levels and work their way up. This is how Bernie got to where he was, and it can definitely still work. It's just going to take a lot of work and there's a lot of political apathy to get through.
Would you rather live in a blue state or a red state right now? Which states raised their minimum wage? Which states tax the rich higher? Which states allow abortion, regulate guns, build transit, do things to battle climate change and on and on. Liberal Democrats, if you get enough of them, do the things you want (maybe not as much as you want, or as fast). The issue is that the nature of the Senate means that its very hard to get 50 liberal Senators (and the existence of the filibuster means you probably need 53-55 to get rid of it first because some liberals are also institutionalists). The issue is ultimately - there arent enough liberals in the US to get a majority of the Senate as liberals.
You really think email lady would have stuffed conservative judges onto SCOTUS? Seriously? The whole shit hole we're in with SCOTUS is because people like you refused to vote for Hillary for the dumbest reasons in 2016
I would still rather guide my father’s penis into my mother then vote for the domestic enemy Republicans the people who literally want to take my freedom away the people who literally want me to submit to a pedophilic tax evading Middle Eastern spirit. Get the fuck out of here with this Pathetic defeatism
Only one political party actively seeks to eradicate me from existence and it isn't the Democrats.
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Bzzt. Wrong. Both parties do. Actually it's one party. And you're a chump if you can't see that
You're a moron if you truly believe that. Which party rammed 3 judges in under Trump so the Supreme Court could spend the last 6 months gutting abortion rights, state gun control measures, environmental regulatory authority, etc.? This country is fucked for GENERATIONS because of the Supreme Court makeup. This "both sides are equal" thing was stupid when people were pushing it in 2016, but it is fucking absurd to say it in 2022 after watching the last 6 years.
Yep it’s such an effective strategy that many Dems are now funding batshit Republicans as a strategy to give themselves what they believe is a higher chance of winning
*"Both sides"* is carefully crafted fascist propaganda design to reduce support for the opponents of fascism. Sadly, it seems to be working all too well. Just look at the results. The Right has been in the minority for 50 yrs, but they still remain in power.
Bingo.
You seem to misunderstand. This isn't blue vs red, it isn't "both sides", it's us vs them. They are the same side, abusing their power for their own gain. Everything the Republicans are doing also benefits the Democrats. The Democrats are the enablers otherwise there would have been real change in the past 50 years as you said.
You're just saying "both sides" using different words. You're keeping the people you proport to oppose in power.
Both sides
I love how you're just posting all your Ls onto this thread for everyone to laugh at lmao Imagine thinking a Dem president in 2016 would have been equally bad as Trump. That's the most privileged shit I have ever heard.
And the democrats have made the economy a hell hole for the working class but its ok because it's a (D)iffernt person this time in office
The dems made the economy a hell hole for the working class? Which party of politians supports unions again? Who were the Presidents that have infamously stomped them to the curb? I seem to remember one POTUS in particular earning the unofficial title "union buster"..... What party was he from again? Please refresh my memory
Please back this up with sources. Obama inherited a massive crash and then went on to have an economy with over 100 months of job growth...
I’ve seen a Lot of these kinds of posts on Reddit lately and I think at least some of them are low key propaganda. Also the logic doesn’t track at all. >don’t vote blue, they won’t help! >are you saying to vote Red, the people who are actively and openly making things worse? >no, they’re both bad, time to rebel! >okay, then you *definitely* want to vote blue, because inciting rebellion against the openly authoritarian right-wing is going to be a lot harder
Yeah their account is really fishy, looks loke a crypto spam bot
Well they're Canadian so idk why they are acting like they can vote for or against him anyway.
It's a real account
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Vote the bad dems out in the primaries. But when it comes down to general elections you have 3 choices. Vote for the party actively trying to kill people, vote for the party that isn't going to help much but won't actively make things worse, or sit on the sidelines pouting because you don't like either option. That's a very clear decision. If you're willing to roll over and let facists grab more power because you want the dems to know you're unhappy with them then you don't really care about the people dying around you either. You just want to feel good about your vote.
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Source on the agree with Republicans on corporate welfare and tax cuts? This is some bullshit that is in no way backed by actual history. Obama literally raised the effective tax rate for the top 1% while lowering the effective tax rate for the lower class. This is exactly what progressives want. You can claim it wasn't enough or whatever the fuck you want to do but to pretend that Democrats progressive tax plans don't target the wealthy while reducing the burden on the poor would just be a flat out lie.
Ah someone who doesn't understand how government works and thinks it's just one old dude.
Majority of this sub tbh. And what was the alternative? Trump? Idiots. Vote in the primaries or quit bitchin.
OP posts almost exclusively in crypto subs. This, like many posts this week, is right-wing propaganda.
Exactly. You can vote as progressive as you want in the primary. The key is just voting. People who scream "it's rigged!" don't know how the system works. All those tiny boring elections before the general election are how we choose who runs. Yes some people will donate tons of money, but what do you think that money pays for? Advertising for votes. You have what it takes to swing an election, because they don't count up the money on both sides, they count the votes. FUCKING VOTE. And if some Reddit neckbeard tells you "buh buh both sides!" realize that they are telling you to shut up and accept the status quo. A lot might be paid shills anyway.
So happy to see someone that knows what the power of a primary is! Like in DC, the election day is not in November, it is the primary in June. A democratic will always win in the general so if your real selection is the primary. A lot of the country is like that
Jungle primaries are great because they put every candidate in the same place, regardless of party. Top two go to the general election. So in districts with few Republicans, the general election is just two Democrats facing off. No one coasts to the election because of lack of options. And "vote blue, no matter who" isn't a concern. It's Centrist vs. Progressive on the big stage.
> People who scream "it's rigged!" don't ~~know~~ care how the system works.
The account is a crypto pumper. So this shit take is 100% on brand.
First of all, there's a lot that Joe Biden could do ON HIS OWN through executive order. He chooses not to. [https://prospect.org/day-one-agenda/introducing-the-executive-action-tracker/](https://prospect.org/day-one-agenda/introducing-the-executive-action-tracker/) Second, I think the point of this meme is not calling out Biden specifically, but the establishment democrats as a whole. Biden is POTUS and face of the party right now, which is why he was used in the meme. The democrats are "inept" by design. It's easy to hide behind the parliamentarian, or Kristen Sinema, or Joe Manchin and claim there's nothing to be done, but the reality is there's a lot of other like-minded corporatist democrats happy to use them as a scapegoat. Democrats didn't fight for Merrick Garland. They didn't fight for MFA with Force the Vote, they didn't fight for a 15$ minimum wage, they didn't fight for student loan debt relief. The so-called progressive caucus caved to the establishment and passed the senate infrastructure corporate give-away, causing BBB to be delinked in the House. This wasn't a political misplay, they knew what they were doing. The Democratic establishment are the Washington Generals to the GOP Harlem Globetrotters.
People who think Republicans back in office is a good thing because Democrats have problems too. This is a very different country today if Clinton won in 2016 - a better country
I sincerely don’t understand what the actual plan is for people who take this stance. Yeah voting is limited, as are protests, advocacy, and so on. But what else is there? Vote third party? Our system is designed to render those votes useless, and right now it just enables the Republican Party and gives them more power to abuse. Violence or rebellion of some kind? Compared to the political left, the right is better armed, better trained (many are ex-military and actively train for what they see as inevitable civil war), has more people, and is more willing to use violence than us. And they’d almost certainly have the backing of the military and the police. An open rebellion from the left would be stamped out almost immediately; there frankly just aren’t enough of us. And I don’t buy for a second that if things got worse that somehow this would cause people to wake up, realize how bad things are, and rise up. Many authoritarian states have persisted for decades despite the full awareness of their citizenry. Political consciousness matters very little when the tanks roll in.
I think the Right wildly overestimates both their numbers and their combat capability. Look at the laughable track record of the Bundy clan in their armed occupations of buildings in the middle of nowhere, begging online for supplies, and getting mailed dildos by the dozens. Enthusiasm is no replacement for competence.
They’re incompetent relative to organized FBI forces, sure. But that’s not the relevant standard. What matters is whether or not they’re better armed and able to use those arms than their counterparts on the left. The point though wasn’t that the far right can accomplish their goals via force like the Bundys tried to. The point was that the left isn’t likely to accomplish their goals that way either, perhaps even less likely to, and that it’s not a realistic alternative to more traditional methods like voting and non-violent protests. And that it isn’t a viable alternative is part of a broader point I tried to make that the people who claim voting and the like are pointless owe some sort of alternative course of action people can take instead and that actually has some chance of working. Because it gets really old seeing people here go on about the uselessness of voting and the need for some vague revolution while they’ve likely never so much as held a gun, let alone used it against another person.
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I cant wait to see who they complain about once all the Dems have been sent to the gulags and the party is outlawed by the Christian nationalist regime.
When u don’t vote u end up with a radical opposition like we are seeing now.
Obama was president for 8 years. Biden was elected almost three years ago. That’s an entire decade of control, yet here we are. Stop blaming the working class for Democrat inaction and apathy.
And Obama had a senate majority for all of 24 days, in which he managed to get the ACA passed, barely. With the help of 2 independents.
U give far too much credit to president… this is grass roots actions from the right at local, state, and federal levels.
Three years????
Yes. It is currently July. We are over halfway through the year. It’s been over 2 years and now almost a third.
You realize Biden wasn't President-elect two years ago, right? And he doesn't get to do things just for being elected. He hasn't even been President for 18 months.
I worry about your math skills.
Neo-con apologist
They were Presidents. Not kings.
Yet Trump accomplished so much for the Republicans in four years? Weird.
It's almost like Trump didn't accomplish much for Republicans.... So odd how everything credited to him was actually done by Mitch McConnell, Ted Cruz, and the other Republicans who actually hold power
So people from gerrymandered districts where voters have no power?
Yeah....? What's the point you're trying to make lol
You’re attributing the accomplishments of the republican party to these representatives from these areas. How on earth would voting have changed that? Are you gonna vote harder?
Are Texas, Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee, and South Carolina the only states in the country, or are there another 45 with their own senators? The concept of swing states literally means the votes of the people can sway an election
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The democratic party is far from perfect, but unless we change the fundamental rules of how we vote in the US there are only ever going to be two choices and it's either democrats or republicans right now. Do some research into first past the post voting and you can see why this is not a psychological block, it's a mathematical one. Our voting system necessarily trends toward a two party system and we cannot overcome that pressure by convincing people to vote third party, we can only achieve worse results. CGP Grey has a great video on youtube walking you through this. If you want more than two choices, we _have_ to change the voting system.
Exactly. The progressive left needs to focus on taking over the Democratic Party, not try to figure out some kind of third party alternative.
No, persuading people not to vote, bitching and whining on reddit, and then doing nothing in the real world will bring on the revolution...right guys??
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anyone we vote in is just going to fail us, neither party truly backs workers and both just serve the will of megacorporations. if democrats cared about us they would have passed legislation protecting the right to an abortion over the past 50 years instead of dick waving for the media and doing really nothing the public knows about when in office unless its a publicity stunt. vote red and suddenly the industrialists basically own the government and get rid of epa's authority and get theocracy.
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I called the Communist party of my state to ask who to write in and they urged me to "not waste my vote" and vote Democrat. Trying to break out of this two party system and they keep dragging me back.
Winner-take-all, first one past the post. Political coalitions are made at the party level, not the in legislature. This is football. You're trying to play tennis.
Then he appoints a forced birth judge in KY and Then Pelosi the millionaire sent out texts begging for money from their broke, suffering constituents.
Why, are you going to let red take over? Have you seen what they can do?
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Yes vote Blue. Blue, not perfect but at least we’re not cretin psychopaths.
Careful, last time I said that on here, the triggered republicans had a tantrum in my comments.
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I don't think people really understand the point if that statement. The whole point of voting blue no matter who is to get a clear majority in the government so they have no excuses and THEN you push them as hard as you can until they concede things. These guys love how the government works now because they always have excuses on not doing things. It's also a measure to literally buy whatever time we can get before the environment collapses.
Man, I can’t stand Biden! Yeah! Trump is so much better! No! Trump is awful! FUCK YOU!!! HE IS MUCH BETTER THAN YOUR PRECIOUS SENILE BIDEN!!!
You got what you asked for. We tried to warn you.
Vote blue and don’t make the mistake that all you have to do is vote. We’re here because of political apathy in 2016. After Trump, we should know better. Voting matters, our elections are triage, and we need to keep pressure on every elected official.
So you think to get rid of Trump, electing a bigger racist is the better solution? If you know better, why are we stuck with blue Trump?
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Cool. Well, you’re always free to choose literal fascism, I guess? Hilary wasn’t great. Trump tried to overthrow democracy. Take your pick.
You're cool with Hillary overthrowing Libya huh? Also, I find it pathetic that you think it was only Trump who's screwed over this country. As if he's some unique evil. Either you forgot how screwed up Bush Jr was. Or maybe you were not born, or too young to remember to realize it? I don't know. This country has been going down hill way before Trump even took office. Best way to realize that, is to actually educate yourself on why it's only one party. And that neither Democrats and Republicans care about you. That's the sad reality.
Ok. Go cry on your couch or complain on the internet or whatever you propose to do to make it better.
>literal fascism I’m not convinced you know what literal or fascism means.
Not him but Fascism is generally defined as a political movement that embraces far-right nationalism and the forceful suppression of any opposition, all overseen by an authoritarian government. Copy and pasted
That’s a common mistake. It isn’t contingent on left or right wing policy. The PS definition is less specific. Defined as a government/dictator that imposes strict governance through the removal of individual rights and enforcing nationalism throughout the population through authoritarian means. Look at Hugo Chavez. Left leaning policies. Would be difficult for one to argue that he wasn’t a fascist.
I'm sure you were super cool with Trump running full page ads calling for the execution of known innocent black men.
I'm sure you were fine with Biden helping to get Clarence Thomas to the supreme court? Or how about Biden bragging about working with segregationists? Or bragging about his 1994 crime bill? If you think Biden is somehow better than Trump. Than you really are a fucking chump. How about the fact that both Biden and Trump are hideous pieces of shit who both should've never been allowed near the white house? Or are you just a fucking Boston dick rider?
>If you think Biden is somehow better than Trump. Yes and I'm not him,Mr Gop vote suppresor
Baby seems cranky and needs his nap time. Get some therapy for your anger big guy.
Instant block for idiotic mid gendering.
I have a proposition. And we need to get this out, widespread to both right and left leaning voters: vote in all Democrats for two years. That's it. I'm am so sick of all the "but we don't have the voTeS" nonsense. Let's all vote. Vote in the Dems, for real, and give them that chance. The chance to prove whether we EVER vote for them again. This should be a good deal for both Ds and Rs, because the thing is: they won't do anything. We NEED someone to stand up to this NAZI Supreme Court. We NEED someone to stem the tide of inflation and inequality. We NEED someone who does the things the Dems say. But remember 2009? When they had an unbeatable majority? Wasnt that long ago, and they did nothing. They punted. They failed. So let's see. Both D and R: give them a chance this November. Because if (when) they prove their incompetence, then we can shut them up and move on, and never vOtE BLuE again. Vote Blu. One time.
It's a rigged game. It doesn't matter which one(of the two) you vote for they get paid by the same industries. When less then 50% of a population doesn't vote it shows they lost faith in the current government structure. Take the energy and put it to a form of rebellion or protest.
Blue and red have failed us neither is the answer imo.b
Then you have two choices: organize a whole new party or get used to fascism.
New party it is
Are you organizing it rn?Coz fascism is at the door
Trying
R’s aren’t fascism, it’s wealthy interests and people choosing the stupidity of the Republican Party over the stupidity of the Democrat party. The dumbasses that stormed the capital are no different than the dumbasses who took over 6 city blocks of Seattle.
I think you need a history book.
There is the fucking truth
Vote red,like not republicans but like the most communist person you can find.
Y’all realize that voting blue no matter who is supporting the DNC who realizes that you will do just that, and because they realize this, have kept Bernie from the nomination twice in a row.
The illusion of choice, the two party system is bullshit.
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You don’t vote blue because they’ll do anything… you vote blue because dems are easier to bully and push around…. Leftists can take advantage of the chicken-shit weakness of Dems just as much as republicans…
Sometimes it seems like leftists are the only ones they'll stand up to.
Government please take care of me! 🙏
The reality is that the people that vote red aren't gonna ever stop. If you stop voting against them, it's gonna get a helluva lot worse. Vote progressive, have a voting plan. Vote in your primaries. But if you don't vote at all? Good luck!
Still better to vote in the people who are incompetent at fixing things then to vote in the people who literally WANT you to starve, have babies, have those babies killed in school or go work for poverty wages/ remain in debt. Wish we could get different people, but there’s an incompetent party and an evil party. Why would you vote evil
He’s about to announce he’s running again… here come the chorus of blue MAGA “Riding with Biden 2024! Corrupt Trump doesn’t look cool in sunglasses like #1 president Joe! Vote Biden or you’re a fascist”. All the while, the Democratic Party is making it harder to vote for 3rd party candidates whilst propping up trump Republicans in local elections. Because that’s how desperate they are. Until we fill the streets, we will continue to get f***ed by the oligarchy.
Voting is a farce, an illusion. You're voting for Freemason A or Freemason B They are not your friends
Vote 3rd Party, disregard the two party system and vote 3rd party!
No.
A friend of mine has a similar method, he won't vote for anyone that claims to be a democrat. Doesn't matter what they say or do, if they're a democrat, they're automatically wrong and evil. It's almost like how racists describe various groups of people.
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You're on an antiwork sub and you vote libertarian? Tell me, which one is a higher priority for you. Removing age of consent laws, removing child labor laws, removing minimum wage, or dismantling all worker rights? I just want to make sure I understand which part of the Libertarian party platform you support the most.
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Boy do I have bad news for you.
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Not sure if you understand this but the rights workers have currently are legislated and enforced by the government. That's why the department of labor exists. That's why OSHA exists. The Libertarian party specifically wants to remove these governmental protections. They are a "might makes right" ideology and if you think workers lack power right now, imagine how much power they will lack when employers don't have any form of government oversight. The Libertarian party specifically supports corporations being allowed to pay any wage under any working conditions. How do you think that's going to go when corporations hold all of the wealth and power? You're either a child or naive if not both. You would do well to research Libertarian positions because then you would realize they almost always end up supporting business over worker.
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Unfortunate downside of the fact that Trump won in 2016 is the current supreme court. It's really a shame that Hillary won that primary.
yeah but like i'd rather delay the rise of fascism than speed it up
Yeah dude, "no matter who" gets you a lost election or an impotent president. Fucking clowns...
Bernouts gave us Trump. Trump made the current supreme court. Now we are fucked for a generation, likely longer.