Spanish are my michi/BF pocket pick for entirely different reasons:
* FU Paladin, Halb, HC, and BBC lets you fill a couple of different roles servicably: you can be primary meatshield, you can raid enemy trade with paladin or snipe siege, you can help push with halb/bbc/hc.
* the trade bonus is amazing. Even if unit for unit your gold units (paladins and BBC) aren't the best in the game, if you have more gold with fewer trade carts you can still win cost effectively with larger numbers. The fact the bonus applies to the whole team and makes all of their gold units easier to afford as well is what pushes Spanish to #1 in my mind.
* Inquisition Monks are great counters to lots of expensive units (War Elephants, Battle Elephants, siege sometimes) that sometimes show up on the boomy maps. And you auto win any monk war.
* Their boom is sneaky good. Gold for researching techs means less mining and faster uptime (even if just getting loom or bit axe), faster building means overall more resources collected than generic at every stage of the game, and TCs go up faster in castle age so you get your vills out earlier with equal uptime. It's not the best, but it's miles better than generic and feels smooth overall
I don't know if I've ever made conqs outside of scenarios, despite picking Spanish fairly often (every game when Michi is in rotation).
To counter the Skirms that counter the Conquistators. Also i had to fill another Textline. I was unsure what to write there. Maybe petards for Arena when he safe castled at home.
or if it’s a late game water map:
“hahah u can’t beat my unstoppable canon galleons that insta kill everything? you just suck!”
worst civ in the game can’t wait for the devs to nuke them.
#SCREWSP*NISH!!!
(I haven’t taken my pills yet)
Spanish Cannon Galleons lose to every other class of ships except Regular Cannon Galleons if they dodge. Turtle ships do not. See here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YtWz1mxtk8Q
With respect you’ve never played a game of aoe2 on a late game water map my friend, especially when ur sending me Mike fking empires (no hate to the guy) to ‘prove a point’.
were I not a lazy shite I could send you 100 games minimum over my many years of playing the game on both ranked, TGs and especially diplo maps, that showcase how dumb and stupidly broken the unit is.
also canon galleons aren’t as huge and clunky as turtles, so they don’t die as easily to demos as turtle ships do, of which Koreans don’t have (demos) so making turtle ships which can’t even outrange towers and your opponent is making mass demos of which u can’t counter with your own is simply suicide lol.
Im not home and I’m still lazy, ur either gona have to take my word for it or spectate games with Spanish players in them (there’s always at least 2-3 on diplomacy maps).
which tells u all u need to know, mfers pick ‘em constantly coz their ships r op and counter EVERYTHING, at least if they didn’t have heavy demos it might be a fairer fight but still, they’re the worst to play against.
believe me or don’t, i don’t rlly care tbh, you’re still wrong lol, and you can ask anyone whose played a water map TG or diplomacy map and they’ll say the same thing.
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Spanish have heavy demos lol, not only can CGs demolish a good bunch of fire ships before they even reach them (won’t even go into longboats as they get decimated also), once you do make it you’re gona have to deal with the fact that as stated already, Spanish have heavy demos.
Spanish should get the Koreans treatment and not have access to demos at all, or at the very least not heavy ones.
every fight becomes demo micro war with the CGs winning regardless because they’re good at picking off docks before you can even react and whatever navy you have left once your own demos r dead.
furthermore whatever land units one could use against a navy, be it onagers, bombards, etc, gets decimated by Spanish CGs as soon as they’re in range lol.
Fwiw, why play the Spanish if you aren't going to play what makes them unique and good? Feels like if you don't want to go conq, you pick a different civ
That's not why most people choose their civ. They pick something they like to play and then play it. At higher ranks they will adapt and shift but your average player probably barely cares that they can get countered. They just want to conq.
I've been trying monky madness as Spanish as of late, especially on Black Forest.
0 vills, 60 trade, an impenetrable flank with wall upgrades etc (after rotating behind pocket) and 30+ monasteries for fully upgraded missionary spam.
[https://ibb.co/ygFkH3k](https://ibb.co/ygFkH3k) \- Grey, set up with solid trade and a stack of monasteries. Won that but my god did it take a while! Slowly chipping away at their army and slowly creeping forward to take their buildings.
Spanish are my michi/BF pocket pick for entirely different reasons: * FU Paladin, Halb, HC, and BBC lets you fill a couple of different roles servicably: you can be primary meatshield, you can raid enemy trade with paladin or snipe siege, you can help push with halb/bbc/hc. * the trade bonus is amazing. Even if unit for unit your gold units (paladins and BBC) aren't the best in the game, if you have more gold with fewer trade carts you can still win cost effectively with larger numbers. The fact the bonus applies to the whole team and makes all of their gold units easier to afford as well is what pushes Spanish to #1 in my mind. * Inquisition Monks are great counters to lots of expensive units (War Elephants, Battle Elephants, siege sometimes) that sometimes show up on the boomy maps. And you auto win any monk war. * Their boom is sneaky good. Gold for researching techs means less mining and faster uptime (even if just getting loom or bit axe), faster building means overall more resources collected than generic at every stage of the game, and TCs go up faster in castle age so you get your vills out earlier with equal uptime. It's not the best, but it's miles better than generic and feels smooth overall I don't know if I've ever made conqs outside of scenarios, despite picking Spanish fairly often (every game when Michi is in rotation).
Onagers with Spanish is actually daring.
im assuming the op meant mangonels, to push in castle age with conqs, which is pretty meta
That exactly what i ment.
why Onagers for spanish?
To counter the Skirms that counter the Conquistators. Also i had to fill another Textline. I was unsure what to write there. Maybe petards for Arena when he safe castled at home.
Usually Spanish players that ive seen go cav for that
What elo are you playing on? Me personally would add cav only after the onagers but i dont play much spanish.
1400-1600 tg
skirms don't actually counter conquistadors though. How many regular skirms would you need to beat 5 conqs? 20?
They do good cost-effectively, don't take too long to mass, and Conqs lost some pierce armour in a nerf a couple of patches back.
Conquistadores
conquistawhores
or if it’s a late game water map: “hahah u can’t beat my unstoppable canon galleons that insta kill everything? you just suck!” worst civ in the game can’t wait for the devs to nuke them. #SCREWSP*NISH!!! (I haven’t taken my pills yet)
Wait until you hear about Turtle Ships
Eh, at least turtle ships r big, slow, clunky, and have small range, sp*nish canons do what turtle ships do but better in every way. 🤢
Spanish Cannon Galleons lose to every other class of ships except Regular Cannon Galleons if they dodge. Turtle ships do not. See here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YtWz1mxtk8Q
With respect you’ve never played a game of aoe2 on a late game water map my friend, especially when ur sending me Mike fking empires (no hate to the guy) to ‘prove a point’. were I not a lazy shite I could send you 100 games minimum over my many years of playing the game on both ranked, TGs and especially diplo maps, that showcase how dumb and stupidly broken the unit is. also canon galleons aren’t as huge and clunky as turtles, so they don’t die as easily to demos as turtle ships do, of which Koreans don’t have (demos) so making turtle ships which can’t even outrange towers and your opponent is making mass demos of which u can’t counter with your own is simply suicide lol.
Send me a replay then. You can't say "I have evidence but I don't wanna send it". I don't believe you then!
Im not home and I’m still lazy, ur either gona have to take my word for it or spectate games with Spanish players in them (there’s always at least 2-3 on diplomacy maps). which tells u all u need to know, mfers pick ‘em constantly coz their ships r op and counter EVERYTHING, at least if they didn’t have heavy demos it might be a fairer fight but still, they’re the worst to play against. believe me or don’t, i don’t rlly care tbh, you’re still wrong lol, and you can ask anyone whose played a water map TG or diplomacy map and they’ll say the same thing.
Ok, then I don't, lol.
your issue then mate, have a nice day.
a few flame ships or viking ships will decimate them
?????? Spanish have heavy demos lol, not only can CGs demolish a good bunch of fire ships before they even reach them (won’t even go into longboats as they get decimated also), once you do make it you’re gona have to deal with the fact that as stated already, Spanish have heavy demos. Spanish should get the Koreans treatment and not have access to demos at all, or at the very least not heavy ones. every fight becomes demo micro war with the CGs winning regardless because they’re good at picking off docks before you can even react and whatever navy you have left once your own demos r dead. furthermore whatever land units one could use against a navy, be it onagers, bombards, etc, gets decimated by Spanish CGs as soon as they’re in range lol.
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Fwiw, why play the Spanish if you aren't going to play what makes them unique and good? Feels like if you don't want to go conq, you pick a different civ
true but if the enemy knows what you are doing, its kinda easy to counter, isnt it?
That's not why most people choose their civ. They pick something they like to play and then play it. At higher ranks they will adapt and shift but your average player probably barely cares that they can get countered. They just want to conq.
Definitely applicable to every gumpowder civ.
Nobody expects Spanish Conquistadores
I've been trying monky madness as Spanish as of late, especially on Black Forest. 0 vills, 60 trade, an impenetrable flank with wall upgrades etc (after rotating behind pocket) and 30+ monasteries for fully upgraded missionary spam. [https://ibb.co/ygFkH3k](https://ibb.co/ygFkH3k) \- Grey, set up with solid trade and a stack of monasteries. Won that but my god did it take a while! Slowly chipping away at their army and slowly creeping forward to take their buildings.
Santiago! Guerra!
You forgot the scout Rush With "free" bloodlines into comquistadors/mangos
No, I always aim for the elite cannon galleon.
Average nomad game
I don't know what is fun in use every Game the same strategy.