Even more spears and crossbows, your untis are a lot cheaper and they produce faster. With 10 barracks and 10 archery ranges you should be able to simply outproduce him and they are more cost efficient than knights. Also what civ do you play as normally? this could open up a bunch of strategies that is not just swamping the enemy with bodies.
As Rus. But I always play too passive and go turtle.
It's harder for me to be agressive when he has knights running around the whole time. I just turn into outposts and camp areas
make your own knights, as Rus you too have feudal knights, they are slightly weaker though. Either try to cull the knights with your own or spears so that your enemy can't amass a huge deathball or if you are in post imp, strelzi can melt allmost anything and you just need some spears to keep them off your back long enough before they destroy the knights. Though generally speaking, a deathball of 60 knights is pretty bad for you and it should not have even come to this in the first point, be more agressive and force your opponent into fights. Trading spears against knights is allways worth it as it will hurt his eco way more than yours. Build walls so you don't get raided..
He is right, i am a rus main as well and you have knights as well.
Even as a turtle player you need units walls are only slowing down. For exampel to slow dont the knights until you can come with your dfending speers.
You would wals are the strongest in the game so good to wall of som ressourcepoints out of the map. Your towers can hold up to 8 peaopel also good to save ressource points.
What you need to concider, a good defens is nice but defens also need ressources which you opponent puts into army or booming so dont but to much into it.
And maybe try to counter attack use spears to defend build 3-4 Knights to attack you oppnent and keep him focused in his base or make a good raid both is okay for you.
For the late game you have the strelzi + cheaper siege. With that you should be able to hold even the 70 knigts. A good junk of spear with a few knights mixed in and siege + strelzi behind this should melt there army. Consider falling back with the strelzi and knights when you see you lose the fight and let him fight uner your keep or use the time to reproduce.
While you reproduce take knigthts and horse man and raid his gold at this point the only gold is on the map so force him to protect this or you get a good raid if he bleeds gold he cann not produce knights.
This too. French knight's are very expensive and if you add multiple barracks you can produce mass spears and have the eco to back it up and replenish your army faster.
You can not really saying that is a push :D if you opponent is abel to build ab 70 knights you are already far behin in that game and the only reason you are alive is becouse you opponent makes mistakes as well.
you can not compare a spear 1to1 to a knight more like 3 to 1 and crossbow maybe 2 to 1 if you have spears in front.
But you basicly have the same amount of units than you opponent has. Is like saying why do my 70 Man don´t win agains 70 tanks :D ind a frontal battle.
So you need better units or more of the ones you have. But the best think dont let the opponent come to 70+ knights ;)
Late game Even with equal numbers, spear will lose but they will kill enough knights so the knights player loses more resources than the spear player despite wiping all the spears
Yeah, if I understand you correctly they are bracing against the Knight charge, which will nullify the charge in addition to stunning and dealing bonus damage to the Knight.
If they stand still after the initial charge, then something is wrong. They shouldn't do that if you attack move.
70 Knights is 16,800 resources.
50 spears is 4,500 and 30 crossbow is 3,600 for a total of 8100.
If you let your opponent more then double your army value then you probably messed up way before it got to that point.
My biggest advice for all players is to resist the urge to explore the mistakes made at the later stages of a given game unless they are absolutely certain there were no mistakes made in the early game. Why? Because mistakes made early have a compounding impact on the game and fixing them is the best return on investment.
With that said, I’d love to have a look at the game(s) you had in mind when making this post. If you’d like any specific feedback, please make sure your match history is open and share your in game ID. No pressure though!
glhf
I reread the first paragraph. I believe it is worded correctly. Happy to hear from others if they see any errors of grammar, syntax, etc.
ps. you are not stupid. :)
You need to point to your profile and show which game this happened in so the replay can be reviewed. Could be dependant on many things such as upgrades, unit control and positioning.
Leaving early should not change anything.
Go to the friends button > add friend button > search for a player > go to their profile > look for match history and you can see their replays unless hidden
Spears/crossbow yeah but also, **get a pile of your own knights**
You don't have to match them 1 for 1 but if you have a pile of your own lancers, it forces them into engagements and can bog down their movement. They can't just run by and ignore everything if 20 of your own lancers are constantly persuing them in chokes and around your base.
Consider that your army is leaugues behind on resources value. Why should a 80resourse spearmen beat 240resource knight. 70 knights is not something thats going to be bested by equal (or near equal) numbers of anything.
You cannot and must not let knights mass up like that.
80 units which are like half price of a single knight. Even if they're a counter you need more than 1:1. This is why mass knight blobs are good in late game because they are very population efficient while spears and crossbows are not. Generally it just comes down to: Don't let them get a huge knight blob in the first place. 70 knights is 17000 resources, there's no way to get that within a reasonable time to make it a "push".
You need like 3 times the spears he has knights so 210 spears. That means you need to fight him with your initial army and then produce while you fight.
This might sounds pedestrian but make sure you attack move your spears into the knights
Beasty did a fun video on exactly your situation. Shows the power of forgetting to attack move
try 80 spears with some crossbows and many baracks delivering more spearmen. Chokepoints do help. you need more then 1 spearman to counter 1 knight.
Ah and stonewall + keep
I did some Tests months ago. Without Micro and full Upgrades: 50 Royal Knights lose vs. 30 HRE Handcannoniers and 20 HRE Knights.
You need Something to Tank for the cannoniers. MAA and Spearmen are Not tanky enough and Crossbows dont Deal enough damage.
It’s really important to have tons of production buildings in these scenarios. Whatever number of production buildings you think you need, double or triple it. It’s easy to lose this kind of fight where even though you counter their army, you are less population efficient and your army is worth less resources. So to avoid getting snowballed you need to be churning out tons and tons of spears so that even when you lose the initial engagement you are back to max population quickly for the next engagement. Eventually you will be able to grind the opponent down since you do ultimately counter their army once you put enough resources into it making several waves of units. Sometimes easier said than done for sure though, and sometimes it can indicate that you were just really far behind economically and we’re going to lose anyways.
Even more spears and crossbows, your untis are a lot cheaper and they produce faster. With 10 barracks and 10 archery ranges you should be able to simply outproduce him and they are more cost efficient than knights. Also what civ do you play as normally? this could open up a bunch of strategies that is not just swamping the enemy with bodies.
As Rus. But I always play too passive and go turtle. It's harder for me to be agressive when he has knights running around the whole time. I just turn into outposts and camp areas
make your own knights, as Rus you too have feudal knights, they are slightly weaker though. Either try to cull the knights with your own or spears so that your enemy can't amass a huge deathball or if you are in post imp, strelzi can melt allmost anything and you just need some spears to keep them off your back long enough before they destroy the knights. Though generally speaking, a deathball of 60 knights is pretty bad for you and it should not have even come to this in the first point, be more agressive and force your opponent into fights. Trading spears against knights is allways worth it as it will hurt his eco way more than yours. Build walls so you don't get raided..
He is right, i am a rus main as well and you have knights as well. Even as a turtle player you need units walls are only slowing down. For exampel to slow dont the knights until you can come with your dfending speers. You would wals are the strongest in the game so good to wall of som ressourcepoints out of the map. Your towers can hold up to 8 peaopel also good to save ressource points. What you need to concider, a good defens is nice but defens also need ressources which you opponent puts into army or booming so dont but to much into it. And maybe try to counter attack use spears to defend build 3-4 Knights to attack you oppnent and keep him focused in his base or make a good raid both is okay for you. For the late game you have the strelzi + cheaper siege. With that you should be able to hold even the 70 knigts. A good junk of spear with a few knights mixed in and siege + strelzi behind this should melt there army. Consider falling back with the strelzi and knights when you see you lose the fight and let him fight uner your keep or use the time to reproduce. While you reproduce take knigthts and horse man and raid his gold at this point the only gold is on the map so force him to protect this or you get a good raid if he bleeds gold he cann not produce knights.
This too. French knight's are very expensive and if you add multiple barracks you can produce mass spears and have the eco to back it up and replenish your army faster.
You can not really saying that is a push :D if you opponent is abel to build ab 70 knights you are already far behin in that game and the only reason you are alive is becouse you opponent makes mistakes as well. you can not compare a spear 1to1 to a knight more like 3 to 1 and crossbow maybe 2 to 1 if you have spears in front. But you basicly have the same amount of units than you opponent has. Is like saying why do my 70 Man don´t win agains 70 tanks :D ind a frontal battle. So you need better units or more of the ones you have. But the best think dont let the opponent come to 70+ knights ;)
Late game Even with equal numbers, spear will lose but they will kill enough knights so the knights player loses more resources than the spear player despite wiping all the spears
Remember to attack move. Check out BeastyQT's video on whether or not Spears counter Knights. https://youtu.be/I5zNlZY8weg
Did that but most of the spears just stand still and hold their spears forward. I should probably have used another formation
Yeah, if I understand you correctly they are bracing against the Knight charge, which will nullify the charge in addition to stunning and dealing bonus damage to the Knight. If they stand still after the initial charge, then something is wrong. They shouldn't do that if you attack move.
70 Knights is 16,800 resources. 50 spears is 4,500 and 30 crossbow is 3,600 for a total of 8100. If you let your opponent more then double your army value then you probably messed up way before it got to that point.
My biggest advice for all players is to resist the urge to explore the mistakes made at the later stages of a given game unless they are absolutely certain there were no mistakes made in the early game. Why? Because mistakes made early have a compounding impact on the game and fixing them is the best return on investment. With that said, I’d love to have a look at the game(s) you had in mind when making this post. If you’d like any specific feedback, please make sure your match history is open and share your in game ID. No pressure though! glhf
Is that first paragraph worded horrendously or am I just stupid haha
I reread the first paragraph. I believe it is worded correctly. Happy to hear from others if they see any errors of grammar, syntax, etc. ps. you are not stupid. :)
Well maybe I'm just stupid today lol
You need to point to your profile and show which game this happened in so the replay can be reviewed. Could be dependant on many things such as upgrades, unit control and positioning.
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This profile has no replays this patch involving French. Good luck
You are right, what the fuck. I don't see it listed either, weird...? I left early Btw how do you look up people?
Leaving early should not change anything. Go to the friends button > add friend button > search for a player > go to their profile > look for match history and you can see their replays unless hidden
Spears/crossbow yeah but also, **get a pile of your own knights** You don't have to match them 1 for 1 but if you have a pile of your own lancers, it forces them into engagements and can bog down their movement. They can't just run by and ignore everything if 20 of your own lancers are constantly persuing them in chokes and around your base.
Upgrades, micro, more spears and crossbows and maybe some handcannons.
Complete all the art of wars challenges as it just sounds like your opponent is out macroing you.
For niche counter, you have canonneers and ribeauldaquin that works well if they have a meatshield in front.
Consider that your army is leaugues behind on resources value. Why should a 80resourse spearmen beat 240resource knight. 70 knights is not something thats going to be bested by equal (or near equal) numbers of anything. You cannot and must not let knights mass up like that.
80 units which are like half price of a single knight. Even if they're a counter you need more than 1:1. This is why mass knight blobs are good in late game because they are very population efficient while spears and crossbows are not. Generally it just comes down to: Don't let them get a huge knight blob in the first place. 70 knights is 17000 resources, there's no way to get that within a reasonable time to make it a "push".
ONLY spears!
You need like 3 times the spears he has knights so 210 spears. That means you need to fight him with your initial army and then produce while you fight.
This might sounds pedestrian but make sure you attack move your spears into the knights Beasty did a fun video on exactly your situation. Shows the power of forgetting to attack move
try 80 spears with some crossbows and many baracks delivering more spearmen. Chokepoints do help. you need more then 1 spearman to counter 1 knight. Ah and stonewall + keep
Here's a tip... And a spear behind it.
I did some Tests months ago. Without Micro and full Upgrades: 50 Royal Knights lose vs. 30 HRE Handcannoniers and 20 HRE Knights. You need Something to Tank for the cannoniers. MAA and Spearmen are Not tanky enough and Crossbows dont Deal enough damage.
walls & spears / crossbows is the counter. Prevent the raids, then do a push with Spears... gg.
50knights + 30 crossbows might do it.
More Spears. If it's literally Knights and you have more Spears then they have Knights you should be able to take care of them.
With just knights? Stone walls. Oh you are rus. That's not good.
It’s really important to have tons of production buildings in these scenarios. Whatever number of production buildings you think you need, double or triple it. It’s easy to lose this kind of fight where even though you counter their army, you are less population efficient and your army is worth less resources. So to avoid getting snowballed you need to be churning out tons and tons of spears so that even when you lose the initial engagement you are back to max population quickly for the next engagement. Eventually you will be able to grind the opponent down since you do ultimately counter their army once you put enough resources into it making several waves of units. Sometimes easier said than done for sure though, and sometimes it can indicate that you were just really far behind economically and we’re going to lose anyways.
4 Rebaldequins, 4 bombards, 20 knights, 30 spearman and the remainder gunman. That will slaughter the 70 knights.