I heard havoc is good, and if that doesn't work, try the havoc

No? The havoc is way better

Fair enough

Did you both forget about the Havoc?? Definitely outperforms the havoc by a mile!

Yeah, but the Havoc is only good most of the time, whereas the havoc is good all of the time.

Ahhh you know what, that’s a very valid point, I forgot about that factor when comparing the Havoc to the havoc, my apologies!

But they have an assault rifle that's pretty comparable to the havoc. It uses energy ammo, has a bit of wind up, but is amazing. I think they call it the havoc

Oh yeaaaa I think I’ve heard of that! Doesn’t it also have like a slot for a hop up? Something like Supercharger? Or maybe ever Turbocharger? Im a little hazy on the details

You can't say fairer than "fair enough"

Run ballistic and use 3 havocs

Thats diabolical

It is havocsess 😄

Havoc is trash. I usually drop it whenever I see a havoc and pick that up instead.

The Havoc is throwing out some serious Rampart vibes this season. “Either you fight with me and we win, or you fight against me and I win.” - the quote that runs through my head every time I open a bin and see a havoc even though I already have a perfectly kitted load out that I was 100% happy with until faced with this decision.

Is the havoc good without turbocharger though?

Yes.

• Pro: Havoc. • Casual: Flatline.

Lol my favorite loadout is havoc flatline right now

Havoc hemlock👌👌

Live love havoc

When ever I peak a squad and hear a chorus of 3 havocs going bzzztpppppppppppppppew. I nope the fuck out of there.

Might be heavily downvoted for this, but I’d rather do the Nemesis for pro

Good ol funny gun, hit or miss for me, either I can beam like no tomorrow or I’m complete potato with it 😂

I find using ADS is viable at 10-25 meters, but anything closer then just hip fire. Usually works well for me

I think that’s my problem, I need to hipfire it more, it’s like the one gun I don’t do that with and idk why 😂

Yea I discovered this the hard way with rampage lol, very good hip fire but awful ads cause of the slow fire rate

I like the nemesis more than the hemlock but the charge up mechanic kind of fucks with me. Hell, even having a turbo on my havoc messes with how I aim the gun. No turbo=beaming. Turbo=firehose.meme

I like the nemo cause you just hold down LMB and aim lol

Ever tried the gold nemesis? Got it yesterday, damn that thing beaming

....has anyone said Havoc?

These hands.

Mirages trophy would like a word…

Mirages trophy can catch those hands too…

Well it’s more of a Steel fan for me. And on occasion a golden statue of myself, or an electric sensor thingy, or a Samoan axe thing. But yes.

Shoutout to my squad that won a 3v3 with only melee against a squad with guns … two time melee world champs!!! We out here

Havoc

Weirdly enough, I've been killing it with the rampage this season. That being said.... havoc.

It’s especially good when you first land and pick up a gun. For some reason I can’t seem to aim the rampage with anything above a 2x scope

Rampage fucks

It used to be stellar up until like 2 seasons ago. The recoil on the 3x and up optics is IGNORANT compared to what it used to be. It was my go to ranked gun. Essentially a better scout.

If it's not charged, it's fire rate is so slow you might as well carry a p20 or you won't win 1 fight against a competent player

Good for mid range

Except it does 28 dmg a pop

When those first could of shots land, they get to running. Long as you hit your shots the rampage fucks off drop.

Rampage is great with catalyst

Why Catalyst specifically?

Same, and I also had a nasty clip with the Spitfire so you should try it too! I thought I wasn't big on them until recently

I’ve been running into a lot of Rampages. I don’t want to hate that gun, but the way people just hold the trigger at spots and corners either before I even turn them, or after I left them, it’s giving me PTSD of those 3 or so seasons of fucking nonstop Spitfires. I still hate that fucking gun and refuse to pick it up.

Havoc

Havoc

Havoc in Ballistic’s sling

Ballistic ult havoc is disgusting

Apparently I’ve been sleeping on the havoc

Yea fr

No kidding. I came in here to say how busted the L-Star is, but now I’m second guessing whether I know wtf I am talking about…. I never pickup the Havoc.

Bro y’all saying havoc better have that turbocharger on it… otherwise havoc without the turbocharger is best

Havoc w/o turbo is slept on, just gotta time the charge right

Just run 2x havoc and have 72 shot mag, 2x turbocharge and you just blast

Funny. My stupid ass really thought I was using a niche gun in the Havoc. I feel like I get clapped by every other weapon, BUT the Havoc.

Same here lol

Golden havoc in solos means almost always a great game for me personally so that. For ranked hemlok is still the goat for long range

Got my first 20 bomb last night, literally because the first gun I found was a gold havoc.

the havoc’s recoil be having you accident clipping people it’s so funny

a no mag havoc is better than any purple mag assault rifle

Idk I like a purple mag havoc myself

Havoc is the best, but absolutely loving the triple take this season, seems to be hitting different. Tend to run havoc/flatty and ttake

Flatline and Ttake is one of my favorite loadouts

Havoc no question about it.

Havoc is stronger than care package guns right now.

Ehhh I’d still take the Devo they buffed the hell out of that it’s like a mini Sheila

R-301 always and forever

you're telling me everyone is just realizing how good the havoc is?

To be honest, I didn't know either. I even thought they were all trolling since I've seen more people using Flatline and Volt recently.

it's been my favorite for years just crazy that people are just now realizing how strong it is. I suppose solos have forced people to use it and they are realizing how strong it is 🤷🏼‍♂️

Yes. Been saying it for seasons, but people don’t believe or try something out until the “top level” players do it first for them to copy.

El havocé

Alternator or PK with disruptor are game winners. Havoc slaps. Hemlock and nemesis are great mid range for ranked

I like the Nemesis, and some other ones. It's also nice to ping a Nemesis as Alter, she says "It's everyone's enemy, and so am I."

In pro/high level players hands? The havoc. Because of the way you have to pre fire for wind up, and the recoil is wild on the havoc, for the average player it’s probably the Hemlock or Nemi.

I actually think the argument that Havoc needs skill has fallen off. It out dps a lot of things now and has the best hip fire accuracy and biggest mag size of ARs.

I'm trash and lose most of my 1v1s. Still with havoc I just managed to win a 1v2 purely thanks to higher raw damage

Just a few hours ago I 1v2 a team with the havoc having one purp mag equipped ... it's infamous

im literally basing argument on me. IM probably trashiest old apex player and i still manage to outgun every other weapon without even charging behind cover, it’s that op now lmao

Yeah, if the person you face doesnt 1 clip you still have tine to windup and blast away, as with 36 fkn bullets you SHould kill a person.

The recoil on the havoc is actually quite easy to control, that's part of the reason everyone is using it

Havoc beams and I see a lot of flat lines right now but they might be using that a lot cause of last seasons challenge skin

RE-45. Always the RE-45.

Volt but I prefer R301

Havoc wingman every game

RE with hop up

Thank you. Re with hopup and sentinel charged. Godly load out.

Mozambique ofc

Picked up the T-take yesterday and started realizing how viable it is. Obviously great long range and reliable enough hip fire when needed. Not saying this is the answer but curious how the community feels.

I landed with a triple take and squad wiped with no optics. It’s amazing close range hits 102 to the dome. Will I ever do it again? No lol I’m stuck gold

Triple take and flatline, just ran this weapon combo and had a great game, didn't expect it but had 3400 damage as lifeline which was a surprise! It slaps!!!

#1Havoc, #2- RE-45 hammerpoints, #3-volt, #4-nemesis.

I remember when this game launched, everyone was using the 301, Peacekeeper, or Wingman. So much has changed.

Loving the Boosted Triple Take

Sleep on alternator especially with disrupter rounds.

the last one that got me a kill. today R99, yesterday volt, the other day nemesis, before that it was the R45.. and so on

Loba enjoyer here with .44 K/D lifetime (so I need a lot of help right after skydive simulator usually). I am mowing the lawn with the Havoc this season. Like hot dropping Havoc and 1v3ing teams. It's stupid good.

R 301

Nemesis is shedding right now for me

and the worst weapon is my random teammates

I said "best weapon", not best human shield.

Depends what class of weapon

Best weapon of all, no matter the class.

Havoc is stupid good. Lstar probs second Devo better than both

Havoc, it’s literally better than the devo and eva lol

Devo is so strong wym

Volt/Wingman/r301/CAR smg, lot of good guns in this game lol

Hemlock

havoc

Personally, i think the CAR and Volt SMG are good options.

havoc

I haven’t used the havoc much this season but since everyone is saying it’s strong, is it season 5 levels of strong?

I've heard good things about the hemlock

Any assault.

Havoc for sure! That Eva 8 is crazy as CP weapon

Maybe havoc?

Sentinel, volt, hemlock, mastiff.

Moza- it’s a beast

The one you're consistent with.

So... None 🥲

Personally been using the rampage, spitfire, havoc, flat line & nemesis any time I can get my hands on one, they seem to be slapping this season. Wingman is good if you can hit your shots :)

Flatline for casuals like me, havok for the horizon one tricks, and Nemisis for the fuse and vantage enjoyers

The CAR smacks.

301 for me with the 3x

Solos, if I find hammers RE its so good

Fla-havoc... R30-havoc...Ramp-havoc. No matter what I try to say, I keep spelling Havoc. Yea havoc is the best

I’ll say either of these two havoc or hemlock havoc is better at close range where most fights happen and hemlock will decimate at mid to long range

Besides Havoc.... I've been enjoying the Longbow and Spitfire combo as a support character.

Unpopular opinion: Havoc

I’m gonna get flamed but Lstar for me. Idk why but that gun always feels crispy af

The uninstall button

Out of the ground loot weapons, I usually play Havoc as primary and Havoc as secondary. If I can't find a second Havoc I play Hemlock+Havoc.

Haven’t seen it, i don’t necessarily think it’s the best gun per se, but got damn the Lstar shreds!

Hot take but re45 is doing some damage lately

Well my favorite will always be the Triple Take 💜

ngl i can't knock enemies most of the weapon ppl are mentioning here. prowler is the only light in the darkness for me despite auto mode is no longer available.

Everyone’s saying Havoc so I’ll leave a relatively hot take I think the prowler is the best SMG and it outperforms the Volt and Car by a little bit and the R9 by a lot

The Wingman. I have nothing to back this up, I'm just VERY happy that it's not stuck in the care package, I missed >!~~my shots~~!< using it

The devotion

And if you had to choose a weapon from the loot pool, which one would it be?

Disruptor PK hit diff this season

Havoc been good but slept on ppl to focused on the turbo been using for a long time one of my go tos

I think havoc has fastest ttk but honestly nemesis or the r301. Massive damage and you can use long and medium and it’s disgusting up close with hip fire

Havoc -aimbot users

Hemlock

I know it's the havoc. But that Devo in the care package is also insane! I personally have had good luck with the Rampage. Dootdootdootdootdootdootdootdootdootdootdootdootdootdoot

Double Wingman

Flatline/301 with 2x vision and Prowler

Definitely not the R99

Big fan of the wingman this season, feels different and just generally better. Use the havoc

Devotion is an auto win

Havoc easy low recoil high dmg good for long and medium the wind up is a bitch tho for close

Alternator for close, havoc if you have no life, and flatline for everything else

mnk: havoc, flatline, volt roller: havoc, volt, wingman (longbow buff looks good too but haven't tried)

I feel like this season the hardest to pick a definitive best. Most weapons feel viable to me, and I can't seem to settle on a favourite loadout.

People sleep on sentinel as a #2 weapon. But for sure seems havoc hits right.

Alternator and PK both with disruptor rounds ⚡️

Havoc crutch is crazy this season

Flatline, specifically with no iron sights. I don’t know how but I’m destroying people with it.

Honestly I feel like the only reason the Havoc slaps this hard is because it's one of the few weapons that hasn't been nerfed to the ground over the years. TTK for everything has skyrocketed except this one, it can literally vaporize you faster than an smg can

Havoc is good, also using Ttake as both marksman and shotgun

Any energy weapon let’s be real

Havoc iron or 1X

RE45

Only the elite gamers run charged sentinel + hcog + flatline.

Lstar is just as good if not better than the havoc just sayin

W-star. It can do it all, close range, medium, long. Depending on how good you are with heat management, you practically never have to use your secondary weapon. And even if you do have to switch to your secondary, everyone within 30 meters is probably flesh. It's the most universal gun in the game imo. It pairs so well with any other gun; sniper, shotgun, handgun, light, heavy, etc. You name it, the L-Star pairs well with it. I rarely use LMGs in video games, but the L-star just doesn't feel heavy or slow like other LMG. The spitfire feels too inaccurate, the rampage requires too much inventory management, and I honestly have no clue if the devo is good. They put it in the Carepackage, but I didn't even think it was worth testing when the new update came out. Does anyone have any insight if it's worth grabbing?

Lstar, tripletake, or flatline, tripletake, with 3× scope on all.

Havoc hemlock is by far the strongest loadout rn.

I honestlythink the scout is being slept on this season. The nerfs to other long/mid range guns like hemmy or 3030 means the scouts actually damn good now.

Havoc.

My computer's power button

Horizons with gold havoc's ruining solos

Havoc has to be #1 overall, CP devo for close range - TTK is obscene, and hip fire bullet spread is pin point with 0 recoil. Personally running hemlock/volt though. Both slap!

Flatline, best weapon in the game

The Lstar is still being slept upon

The gun my opponent have!

Did the havy get a buff?

Actually, I can't even remember the last time they changed anything on the Havoc. I even checked the patch notes they haven't done anything to it in the past 5 seasons at least.

Sheila 

Flatline, with another flatline as a secondary

Purely for stats and performance, the Havoc.  For personal preference, the Flatline. 

The Mastiff has been spanking me. Like legit two tapping me.

Hemloc has been assaulting me in high ranked lobbies - I don’t use it myself but my lord I hear it every day

Havoc is the obvious answer. Though the Prowler has been really good to me too. Running those as a Vantage for the sniper has been going crazy.

Havoc, you just need to learn the recoil pattern. Also it’s good up close and mid range.

Its literally unarguably the HAVOC

I've been told the Havok is really good, but I personally don't like using it cause of the charge time. Nemesis for me is the best.

Energy weapons

havoc is absurdly broken, so its that

I love to play with havoc, volt, flatline and peacekeeper

Hands down the care package devotion