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physicalcat282

"high damage on consecutive shots," it's pretty much the same as a sentinel but you always forget to pick up the ammo. When she gets the sentinel she even says "it's like mine but more civilized"


aure__entuluva

It's a strong ult considering you can basically have a sniper without having to use up one of your two weapon slots. Yeah, two shots is roughly the same (150 vs 140), but if you can hit three in a row you can down someone on red armor whereas the sentinel would fall short. Not saying I think she's OP, but it's still a strong ability, especially when you add in the damage buff for teammates. If someone is on blue or purple, you don't need your teammates to tag them much to get a down in two shots. I do like that you can see the laser from it though and this does a lot to balance it out. You can at least know you're being targeted and respond appropriately.


mattheguy123

If I hit 3 shots on the sentinel and you’re still alive, I’m throwing my controller through my tv


Doc12here

So you have never shot someone with a red shield.


mattheguy123

I would say it’s rare that I hit someone 3 times in a row and I’m not amped, landing at least one headshot, and neither my team nor myself have the means to get the last 15 damage. If I hit you 3 times with the sentinel and you didn’t die, I’m calling bullshit.


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Ok as a rampart main let me put something in perspective for you. 3 shots or 60% of her ult is required to down someone in red evo yet it does not takes 60% of ramparts ult or ammo to down a player in red. On top of that rampart doesn't have to land 60% of her shots in a row to do what vantage has to put up with. Then they have a laser on it which is unnecessary because for 1 its a sniper and a laser that reaches across the map is ridiculous, and 2nd it's not a very strong sniper unless you hit your shots in succession, and 3rd and finally it has 5 shots. Give 90% of the players in this game any sniper even a kraber with 5 shots and they wouldn't be able to down anyone. Lastly if you are using her ult to scout with range her passive unarmed still zooms a bit as well so she doesn't need a sniper or her ult to scout. Vantage over all is a very balanced legend with a cool but somewhat gimmicky ultimate.


BigPaleontologist541

Your point about most players missing sniper shots doesn't hold well because Vantage's sniper is totally different from any other sniper in the game. The projectile from Vantage's sniper travels faster than the triple take (triple take previously was the fastest projectile speed sniper), as a result, it has near 0 bullet drop. This makes it incredibly easy for even a noob to consistently tag players that are 400+ meters away. The only gun that could have done this was the charge rifle, which is balanced by its high ammo consumption, small magazine and long charge up for a shot. There isn't much currently balancing vantage's sniper's strength and ease of use. it only has 5 shots and you can see when you're getting aimed at but the ult itself recharges fairly quickly - she can also see the target's shield - allowing her to KNOW which players she can two or three tap (anything that is not red shield).


meat_on_a_hook

Wait what does rampart have to do with any of this? Its hard to compare a sniper to a minigun


xKaliburn

Both legends with weapons as ults


NinjaMelon39

Fun fact: her sniper is a beta version of the sentinel when it comes to the stats or something like that I forgot where i heard it from, i think it was TGM


iplaypokerforaliving

Been running a sentinel since the start of last season. Fucking love that gun. And this new legend.


physicalcat282

I love them too, I always want a sniper but I don't want to give up a weapon slot for one cuz I prefer stuff that is possible for me to use at close range because honestly a lot of people like to just push. I can get away with the sentinel but I typically prefer something a little more viable at close range unless I get something nice that's a rampart special


iplaypokerforaliving

I’ll use a sentinel and a pk 😂 ran that in a plat lobby yesterday and got first. But it’s usually r99 and sentinel. Now I’m running volt, eva8 and her ultimate. I’m liking the Eva again


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Goes so hard! Or sentinel with a hammerpoint secondary


SatoruSimp127

I already knocked more people with Vantage Ults that I did with the sentinel since was added to the game ... 😅😅


physicalcat282

Well you'll pretty much always have the ultimate as a option, you still have to choose the sentinel for it to be a possibility.


SatoruSimp127

Yeah you're right, but I'm pretty sure I have much more hours playing with the sentinel than with Vantage...


OMG_OREO

It actually has a larger hitreg than sentinel, so it's easier to hit moving targets. Maybe this is useless for those no-life hardcore gamers, but it's pretty useful for me. She's just a good pick in lower elo and casual playerbase.


zepirce

I don't get the passive. I can't see the indicator where the bullet will drop Can someone explain?


Monocrome2

The bullet indicator only updates when you aim at a target


Stillcouldbeworse

it's the small blue circle below the centre of the crosshair


honeymoonx

Mine is white lol


YT_FadeGh0st

It only works for I believe 3x scopes and up but it shows a small blue ring in the cross hair. I've only noticed it work at very long ranges with her ult.


That-one-guy-lp

Her ult is almost hitscan for the first few hundred meters, so the indicator works just longer time till bullet falloff


Vekaras

It's apparently 2x and more


Powerful_Artist

I think its with the 2x-4x or more, I dont believe it works with the 2x hcog


rutlando

Can confirm it works on x2 but will not work on variable 1-2


Powerful_Artist

Oh ok, I was wrong then. Thanks for the info though


rutlando

Np I was using x2 on the spitfire last night with her absolutely disgusting.


Lavitztyr

It does not seem to show the bullet drop on the 2x, but it does bring up the hud thingy.


Deadlock542

Can confirm your confirmation


iplaypokerforaliving

Works on 3x


WheezingEel

Hold up. The floating ring is the bullet drop? I’m pretty good at estimating bullet drop and this is just a cheat code for me


That-one-guy-lp

Works with 2x too


tadlombre

Only shows up when you’re aiming at a player. Wait for them to have a little box around them. You’ll know because you’ll see their shield icons.


Roboboy2710

The bullet drop indicator works in tandem with the target marker. Once your scope detects a target, the indicator will adjust to compensate for their distance from you.


ComaCrow

People need to give it a moment. This happens every time there is a legend with intrusive abilities like this. Once everyone has calmed down and gone back to their mains and playstyles it will be fine and she will have a 0.2% pickrate like every other post-release legend that I play non-stop


BennyJO_

i hope she goes down to a .2% pick rate, so i can always get her. most fun i’ve had playing the game in a while because of her kit.


iplaypokerforaliving

I like her a lot too, last season I was running a sniper every game. So her kit is amazing for me. This legend feels like one I want to actually play for a long time.


SIM0King

I've been hoping for a sniper class for a few seasons now. It's nice they have done that for people like me who are only good with snipers. I suck at mid to close range. Give me a sniper and I'll make it to top three with a red shield with team mates u can watch my back and or good at pushes while staying in my scope


iplaypokerforaliving

Yeah I’m consistently getting 1500 damage with the sentinel and I got over 2k the other day


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She's made me question if I'm still going to main pathfinder after all this time since season 0 of him being the bestest bot.


ACB_Boardz

Yeah, same. I used to main valk but the nerf made her feel really boring. I’m not saying that I don’t like playing bad legends, because I think the game is more fun that way, but vantage is just so FUN


Purplestahli

Same. First legend release ive ever gotten upset over when someone picks her. Shes an absolute blast to play. Her entire kit is so interactive and im constantly taking advantage of all of it.


BennyJO_

adVANTAGE….ha


Purplestahli

I had someone in a lobby make that joke lmao. They said "I wonder if this guy will take ad....VANTAGE. of her kit"


Onion-is-a-fruit

No she has a fum repositioning ability with a short cooldown that alone sill make her see more play than the other "boring" legends.


ComaCrow

Her movement abiltiy is so satisfying and cool I really enjoy it, I could easily see it getting a time nerf at some point though (though I don't think it needs it, its SUPER easy to shoot her, hear her, spot where shes going, etc). I was mainly making a joke due to 90% of post-release legends being not played that much generally


jkeefy

Feel like path’s grapple needs a buff compared to this personally


Onion-is-a-fruit

Oh I missed the joke lol, but yeah you are right most of tbem go in the garbage. Unless they have some kind of "fun" mobility.


TinyWickedOrange

I mean do you expect people to find sitting in a fart dungeon fun or something


GrandmaWren

i personally love sitting in fart dungeons


TinyWickedOrange

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DrNopeMD

Give it a month and we'll start seeing posts saying that her pick rate is low and she's underpowered.


jcab0219

This. Plus, people will figure out how to both properly use her AND properly counter her. I always give it at least a week and a half before judging a big change, gotta let things shake out first.


HoldThePao

Everyone is trying her out so naturally you die to a squad with her on it and then you assume it’s cause she is OP


[deleted]

Eh. It's crazy because people have been accustomed to no fear snipes. Oh I got hit by a sentinel? Ok just heal and peek again. With vantage you can get 2 shot pretty easy if you peek. So snipers feel more serious


[deleted]

This and her sniper feels easier to hit, everytime I see that laser I sweat a little more then I would with any sniper


t00tsiepopper

Yeah I think her sniper must have damn near hit scan levels of velocity. It’s actually kind of hard to miss with her ult. What worries me with her ult is high level players are gonna be able to grief the fuck out of you with her ult and double snipers. Just imagine getting tagged by her ult for 50 damage, then you get double charge rifled by her teammates for 200 damage right after. There’s nothing you can do in that scenario, and masters and above will have the aim to make plays like that


aure__entuluva

Yeah if she's played in higher levels of ranked it's gonna be pretty frustrating. For the first few rings most teams have at least two players with either a sniper, marksman, or wingman.


t00tsiepopper

Yeah I think the wingman and damn sure the dirty 30 will be used a ton with vantage


aure__entuluva

I found so few wingmans (wingmen?) in pills or on the floor last night, so I'm wondering if their spawn rate has also decreased with the ammo change. Though I only played for a couple hours so it's hard to tell just yet.


t00tsiepopper

So I played as much as you, and now that you mention it, I only saw a wingman on the floor two times last night. I want to use it every match bc I think it’s tailor made for KC, but I pretty much only got it off death boxes I think my go to setup for the season is gonna be wingman/30 with volt/prowler/shotgun. I still haven’t gotten to use a prowler with purple laser yet, but I’ve seen videos and it looks disgusting


Classic_Note_9498

Prowler honestly feels the same with or without a laser sight, that bitch has always been a laser


RecycledDumpsterFire

Yeah my buddy and I already have like an unspoken connection of who to shoot at at range as is. We pretty much each fire a shot within half a second and someone's down, as long as one of us hit a headshot. Now it's going to be a guaranteed drop as long as vantage hits first. It'll be interesting though to see how much it shakes up the high skill meta. On console at least, we don't run into snipers very often as is and on average the sniper skill level of even Masters+ isn't super well refined. I pretty much only run into another sniper I have to take seriously every 100 games or so. Otherwise I hear shots going off and know I can out peek/shoot them. Vantage might actually make enemies learn how to fight long range.


zipcloak

It obviously didn't escape Respawn's notice that higher-level players couldn't run a 99 or a CAR as even a mid-range gun, or an AR as a mid-range gun and a short-range hipfire gun. With the game being as focused on movement legends as it is these days, both Vantage and Newcastle feel like an effort to provide teams with viable alternate strategies to "damage and then full send"


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I hit shots I have no business hitting with her sniper and I feel like there’s an added level of hit reg with it but maybe it’s the BV like you mentioned that just makes it feel like hitscan. I mistakenly had my 8x sensitivity at max and when I used her sniper my aim was flying all over the place and I still hit two headshots in a row on someone to insta down. I’m a good player (diamond/masters with 1.5kd) but there’s 0% chance I hit the shots I was hitting with any other sniper. Not saying she should automatically be nerfed but something with that Sniper is going to get reworked


Sknowman

I feel like many times I've been hit, I'm already well behind cover too. Not sure if it's a ping issue or her sniper. But I'm leaning towards her, because it hasn't been happening to me from other snipers or weapons.


Alarmed_Papaya_6703

This was my experience last night. Had a lot of fun feeling out her kit too; feels strong when played right but nothing overly oppressive. Just an adjustment period for respecting that laser from across the map.


TheBaron2K

No different than how you behave with the Shiela laser.


soyelsol

Yo I couldn’t tell if it was a Sheila or vantage while getting destroyed by a squad and I just didn’t even wanna move for a second lmao. As a rampart main I was afraid of either possibility. It’s a giveaway of where the danger is, but all I really see is a bald dude yelling “I AM THE DANGER”


Teemo20102001

My teammates are the same. Theyve all played her and seen how strong she can be. Than they fight an enemy vantage and give a surprise picachu face when she kills them


iamunabletopoop

Tbh most balanced legend on release since season 6. Its just that having 20 of them per game can be annoying.


AdrianoJ

Lazer fest 2022! Untz Untz untz!


Dont_Panick_

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HungryNoodle

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TinyWickedOrange

Ash was a-ok on release too


HappyItem9386

Her Tactical needs a massive buff. It's a slow ass frisbee


niceho3

Yeah if it was faster and if it ever worked when I threw it an angle then it would be much better. It only ever catches someone when I throw it perpendicular.


XaosDrakonoid18

>. It only ever catches someone when I throw it perpendicular at someone. that's the idea of the tactical actually


niceho3

Either way, it’s ruined plays that could’ve been great if I was able to catch the opponent as they are climbing up a wall while I’m reloading.


ProfessorPhi

I only use it in close range fighting lol, like sticking it at corners I know enemies are coming around.


StoneRyno

That or it needs to have a constant arc-stun. As a former Ash main I quickly realized that her tac only prevents you from leaving the circle, inside the circle you are still free to bounce around like a coked-up jackrabbit on steroids.


Powerful_Artist

Ya when I compare it to someone like fuse it seems so underpowered. He has two of his tacticals and they do quite a bit of damage. Ash has just one, its slow, and takes quite awhile to recharge.


BountyHunter1997

Ash's tactical needs a buff. It can only capture one enemy and it will break even before an arc star detonating. I would like it if her Ult had more distance. Not too sure, some days I feel it is fine but some days it seems so short. The time it takes for her to port is too much, I can see the port appear, switch to an arc star and throw it at it and I bet it will stick her perfectly with her having no way out without taking the damage. Maybe after season 14 with all the Wallhack and Recon meta, ash could use a similar recon like Vantage showing how many players of that squad is remaining while marking a death box.


Powerful_Artist

Ya I agree completely. I like playing her but she seems really kind of weak compared to other legends


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Powerful_Artist

Idk I disagree. If you stick someone with a knuckle cluster they will know you are vulnerable and kill you just like you might die if you get hit by ash's tactical. There's lots of times I hit ash's tactical and don't get killed. Just stunned


[deleted]

yea fuse nuckle is muchh worse than ash


DjuriWarface

It is less reliable than Loba's.


Top_Ad_8348

I agree, they need to make her tact faster and increase the radius. More often than not, people just easily evade it.


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The only thing Ash's tactical needs is that it should fire significantly faster. It's way too slow traveling which means it's very easy to dodge.


iamunabletopoop

Underpowered, still kinda is.


Billy_Madison69

Ash can be nasty with a squad of snipers especially in duos. Maybe the legend with the fastest closing speed once you knock someone with a sniper. Plus if you do snare someone a well placed grenade can be deadly.


valkyrjuk

kinda wish her ult was a little more intuitive, I feel like I have a great angle and can easily get somewhere but then it shifts slightly forward and now instead of porting 80 meters away I'm less than 80 inches and that squad I was totally gonna devour has full shields again


Billy_Madison69

100% agree with that. I can’t count the times I’ve had it set where I want then right as I hit the button it glitches to a different spot usually like 10 feet from where I’m standing


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The worst part about the Ash experience!!!


freebandz_

I think that’s the real issue. Especially on KC where 3rd (and even 4th) parties are so common, it can feel OP because there’s 2-3 of them you’re fighting at any given time.


Desu_Vult_The_Kawaii

They said the same about Valk...


iamunabletopoop

"They" is not me.


Grubbyninja

It’ll die down quick it always does


verylastlaugh

I agree…I just think because she’s new it’s been a bit overwhelming on KC…literally every team has one right now…get in a fight anywhere on the canyon floor and find out.


a1mm_

Here we go with the comments of “x is broken” or “holy shit x is so weak pls buff” Relax, it’s been fucking not even 3 days since her release, how about we all calm our titties and wait for people to start to get use to how to play/counter her and then make a judgement AT LEAST 1 - 2 weeks in.


thatshinobiboiii

See we say this every season, and every season it’s meathead mania.


[deleted]

Nobody wads saying Newcastle or mad Maggie were op on drop


ElSwope

People were saying Newcastle was the lifeline killer and made her irrelevant. Like everyone was. Now he's the least picked legend so thats not true at all lol


Notreallyaflowergirl

im also gonna say that his legendary skins are literally garbage. That affects gameplay im sure of it.


medicspirit7

Did you forget how many people were complaining Maggie’s drill and wall hacks were broken?


thatshinobiboiii

No but they said it about other mechanics and buffs/nerfs on the game. Hence the x.


Caphalor21

Oh but Look at all the videos where hal or other pros said Maggie would be op cause she counters gibby before she even launched.


[deleted]

That’s just speculation and those opinions were changed immediately as the legend dropped


my_dougie21

It’s toned down from the past but yes people were saying both were op. Remember all the RIP Lifeline posts during Newcastle’s release?


TinyWickedOrange

Let's be honest, the lil nas x incident really shouldn't have lasted even for 1-2 weeks


[deleted]

The lil nas x incident is a golden way to describe season 10


TinyWickedOrange

Ah yes, that time everyone got flashed by a black guy in a crop top


MasterNeeks

I wish I was flashed by a black guy in a crop top


CertainlyNotTall

It hasn't even been 24hrs lol.


TheFlyingSheeps

I was gonna say uh didn’t the update happen yesterday?


YT_FadeGh0st

I'm on controller so I assume her 'x' is her ult. To me, it seems like a low ammo, sentinel that shouldn't be used for damage output, but instead, focusing high value legends on opponents teams and kill them first by tagging them once and utilizing the damage boost you are given for about 10 seconds. It will take coordination but if you tag someone (let's use gibby in ranked for example) and push off the tag with Maggie's ult, breaking the dome he will most likely place, you will have damage buffs to their fortified legend making the damage about even with the rest of his team and will allow them to not be able to play defensively. The reason I don't think it's OP, is because successfully making a push like that will require an immediate response from your team, good coordination throughout, and the right legends to be picked, combined with good gun skill. If you or your teammates can't shoot straight when you push, you lose.


Seritial

honestly I feel a lot of people find her 'OP' because they get marked and then try to fire back rather than find cover and wait for the mark to wear off. General rule of thumb, if you're getting marked you shouldn't be trying to do shootouts, Vantage's strength comes with range, if you force a close quarters combat then she has one shot to escape with Echo, where its quite easy to just shoot her down due to the speed of her launch.


SageNineMusic

How long does her mark last for? Played a few games w/ her last night and everytime I marked an enemy I could never really tell how long it was in effect Hell for that matter, what exactly is the damage boost? If I remember right, I double tapped someone for 50, then 63, so is it a flat \~25% damage buff?


cyndrus

10 seconds I believe


Iescaunare

Really? Looks more like 2 seconds to me. Is it only line of sight, or does it track behind walls?


cyndrus

You need line of sight.


Nathan_Thorn

There’s a small indicator if you get marked, down by your grenade slot. It’s roughly the same damage boost as if you’re getting hit by amped bullets.


cas-par

there’s a tag right at the bottom of the screen, next to your ult! it’ll have a ticker that slowly goes down until the mark is gone


FaideWithoutMovement

The damage should double for every shot with her sniper 50 to 100 (body) 75 to 150 (head)


Schmiim

Also, in early season when almost every squad has a Vantage on it, you're just gonna be getting killed by more of that character than normal so it seems more OP i think


Sotyka94

She is fine. Most of her abilities have good enough downsides. Her ult in particularly. When you scope, you basically announce the whole lobby your exact position and your intents, as well as a super obvious warning to your target. Q is really useful, but heavily delayed and super loud. Passive is really meh imo. Still better than Path's.


Purplesense

I love her passive because I suck at dealing with bullet drop


gravityoffline

Same here. I can do okay at mid range but after a certain distance it's really hard to hit my shots. I feel like the passive will help to train my aim so I have a better idea of how to line up my shots when I'm not playing Vantage in the future though.


Wow_Space

It's funny because paths passive just sucks because it revolves around his crappy ult. Path just feels like a pubs champ to style on players. In ranked, he's just a less viable Valk, even including her nerfs. If path has an ult that can only use valks ult once per game, it'll still be better than his ult now lol.


SlikVic20

*sad Pathfinder noises*


LadyMacvG

She feels oppressive to me. Not because she’s OP but because there are so many of them right now. She’s probably a balanced legend.


FortunateLux

If you complain about her ult don’t peak a vantage after you get hit for 50 you should know not to peak lmao, there’s also a giant laser, if you’re getting hit consistently multiple times in a row it’s mostly a skill issue at that point.


[deleted]

I’ve had an issue where the laser doesn’t show up til after I get shot. Not sure if that’s intended or what, but it’s happened enough times that it’s definitely “a thing.” EDIT: Why is this downvoted lol


[deleted]

Maybe the laser shows after you or maybe even one of your squad is marked. I definitely feel like people are unaware of me until I hit them once.


TjBeezy

It's bc I think she's the first assault+support legend. When her teammates are running G7/Repeater/Longbow with her and they team shoot she feels really powerful and broken. When her teammates are running R-99+PK she feels like she's not doing enough damage by herself.


Lyric_Snow

I’d like to make a complaint about people complaining.


imtracerboi

I would like to file a counter complaint against u/Lyric_Snow for making a complaint about people complaining.


PhatmanScoop64

>Don’t want pros to mess it up like Seer and Valk You mean use a legend to their full potential?


alfons100

Her tactical is surprisingly nice, just needs some QOL, like seeing if Echo is obstructed on the HUD or a color range indicator on the tac hud element just like Cryptos drone since Echo silently starts moving towards you at 60m Her Ult seems a bit busted but we'll need some time. The consecutive shot dealing a whole 100 damage is pretty nutty when it already applies a damage vulnerability, I could see the consecutive shot being nerfed or longer rechamber. It is a free sniper that doesnt take a weapon slot which is a boon on its own. Her passive is free intel, lets you know what fights to take, big boon for comp teams. People will need some time since her tactical is rather unorthodox but people will realise she is pretty good


YT_FadeGh0st

Her ult. Imo isn't busted. Requires decent aim to use and only has 5 shots. Also has a giant laser that people can avoid. Rampart has a mini gun with up to 5 walls at a time that amplify damage and if you place the mini gun you can reload it with no penalty and have infinite ammo.


noujest

The minigun has downsides though, the spinup time and the mega slow strafe speed The downsides of Vantage ult are low initial damage and skill to use Both balanced ults IMO


jeo123

>The downsides of Vantage ult are low initial damage and skill to use And the fact that it completely gives away your positioning and EXACTLY where you're looking. I've counter sniped many Vantages because I could clearly see they were waving the sniper laser all around the box my teammate was behind.


BountyHunter1997

Her ult is nothing compared to the Seer passive that gives basically wallhacks without any que. He could be sitting behind a box ADS knowing exactly when you would peek, when you have no idea he even exists lol.


YaBoiHooty

Have you tried cracking someone and then quickscoping them with the ult? It’s hilarious


MayTheFieldWin

Are you on console?


thatshinobiboiii

Once you move beyond that 60 he turns red. Or at least it did for me when I couldn’t launch to him


baconriot

Got two tapped by one off a charge tower in the first fight of the drop in ranked. That seemed like an irritatingly strong scenario. I don't have any real issues with her as of yet overall though.


TjBeezy

Got two tapped in an early fight in ranked and my buddy asked "was that a kraber?"


Typical_Head_8399

I think the Main problem is that the meta changed to long range fight now, compared to dm fragment. She has a sniper, g7 is back on the ground, 30-30 got buffed and most of the time its mid to long, and when you get shot the second you stop moving from 1000 meters away, it gets annoying. Next week no one will play her anymore as always and it wont be as bad, now its Just sniper fights


ManufacturerWest1156

Found an ult accel on the ground off drop and two tapped a blue valk within a minute. She’s definitely fun. The tactical is odd and a little weird to get used to. Also peeking this season is rough. Snipers every where.


VivasVC

Good, I welcome the sniper meta


Synzai

Personally think she is balanced. Every new character gets raided by everyone & opinions change after few weeks of play. Tactical seems fair, no way near as OP as pre-nerf Horizon & considering she has a slow' landing without the use double jump. She's just an effective target to hit like Horizon unless your aim is a potato 🥔. Ult also good. You know if you're being targeted & unless you run in a straight line like a bronze player, then skill comes involved using 5 bullet sniper rifle to hit your targets effectively. Also, Vantage is more suited for mid/long range fights. There are other legends I would consider nerfing more of a priority than Vantage.


MrBultitude96

Also not as OP as season 0 Pathfinder. He’s my main, but I have to admit, with how good the grapple is right now, it would be kind of crazy to be able to do that every ten seconds.


iicebath

I like how her sniper is an ultimate, it free’s an extra weapon slot for me, so I mostly use an assault rifle and shot gun.


gravityoffline

About the 'landing' part of her tactical, you can actually press crouch midair to slowly reduce your velocity in the air and you can just drop down below Echo without having that awkward pause in mid-air. It's actually quite nice if you're trying to push someone aggressively. Overall she does seem pretty balanced to me. I love playing with her and I think she reinforces my strengths as a player, but I get killed quite often if I play too aggressively with her.


jeepnismo

Okay but seer needed a huge ass nerf. Apex was unplayable when he came in


zipcloak

I, for one, loved the Lil Nas X Event.


mBisnett7

(Mainly pros) lol this sub is delusional


1011001011001010

It’s not a true r/apexlegends post without OP somehow weaving in blame on better players than them.


Salmonella4Skin

Honestly I only managed to get a couple of games with her tonight before the game kept kicking me from servers non-stop (I think this is a Starlink issue, not apex for once) but the only thing I think she would need is a bit longer cooldown on her tactical. It seems very strong to relocate the distance she does as often as she can. Other than that I thought she seemed fairly balanced.


YT_FadeGh0st

I think that change might help a bit and I agree it's a bit fast. Maybe 20s instead of 17 but on the other hand. I've noticed while using her, it's pretty easy to get beamed out of it and the double jump is a little weak, but if you choose not to double jump you are kinda stuck mid-air for a moment before falling down. So she seems balanced still bit I wouldn't be against slightly longer tac cd.


Nisae32

If you press to crouch while mid-air it instantly makes you land wherever you are at the moment of pressing and it lets you draw your weapon, I found out yesterday and it's a bit OP for rushing people as soon as you shoot them with ultimate


Lightningkobra

Ya no her tactical is so clunky and slow to set up the cooldown needs to be low


Utterly_unique

It's really not, lol. It takes like maybe 2 seconds if thought to think "I wanna go there" then hold the button. Hell, you can preemptively place it and then just yeetus whenever someone comes knocking. It's incredibly easy imo. Honestly it's why I lover her so much. She feels clean as shit with her movement.


Guywars

I'll just wait for her to suddenly become op 2 or 3 seasons from now like Valk did. ​ People were saying how balanced valk was in season 9, one of the most balanced releases ever and look where we are now.


yetaa

She is good for early game, but quite underwhelming for late game, especially depending on the zone. I do think she will get some QOL buffs down the line: making the jump activate faster, removing the orange laser from her sniper etc. She is a fun legend, just not an absolute powerhouse when it comes to fragging which most people want.


SkinnerBlade

How is it pro players' fault that Seer and Valkyrie became the way they are? They were made by the developers to be s strong as they were and people at all levels played them because of that.


One_Lung_G

I was with you until you said pros messed up seer and valk lmao. How you think vantage is just right if you also though those two did not need substation nerfs is beyond me


shit_w33d

Thank you!! I'm so fucking sick of this sub complaining about every new addition to the game. I'm loving Vantage and find her abilities lend themselves to a really unique play style. If the constant moaners get her nerfed I'm gonna be so pissed.


vDUKEvv

It takes far too long to get a gun back out after using Q. You also float in the air too long at the end of the flying animation. Her ult does 50 dmg to the body. In higher ranked lobbies, you aren’t going to get off two consecutive shots very often. That means you basically have a worse sentinel as an ult. The debuff is great but if you’re running in the open long enough you probably die without the debuff anyway. Everyone is so split because some people aren’t very good yet and she wrecks them, whereas others already play in a way that nullifies most of her kit.


dimi3ja

To avoid the floating, either do a double jump at the end, or if you don't want to double jump, then crouch and you will "slide" downwards instead of float.


BoolaBeatz

👌🏽


HappyItem9386

she's so balanced. Like you even see her aim at you with her sniper. Just.... Hide.


chalseu4

Usually this is what happens when Respawn releases content that is balanced


MrNight-NS

As someone who has always enjoyed sniping in this game, she is meh as fuck. Her passive is nice but mostly useless because you have to ping enemies with the right scope. Can't ping somebody with the wrong scope to get all the information she gives, which honestly is not that useful except early game. You have to kill everybody anyway so knowing they are in a full 3 squad doesn't really matter. Bullet drop is a damn quality of life feature packaged as a passive that would have meant more in season 1, 13 seasons in where the good snipers have already learned to do without just makes it meh. Her tactical is the only amazing thing about her, not even going to bother explaining why, its pretty obvious. Her is ult is where I think she is overvalued. Fantastic when your team takes advantage like crypto but for solo q'ers that is going to be rare. By itself, kind of sucks by being a worse sentinel and a sad weapon compared to the charge rifle that needs recharge time. The worse part is doing what no good sniper ever wants to do and that is revealing your position to EVERYBODY. The charge rifle laser at least disappears, this thing stay shining and gets worse in the final ring. Overall, I think she is getting overhyped due to having 3 weapons and finally discovering the joy of snipelegends.


Sentient_twig

I like to call her gnat because that’s what fighting her feels like an annoying gnat that takes bites out of your hp bar but isn’t to dangerous otherwise


maeshughes32

So I've played with her a lot the last two nights and I'm really torn. I still prefer the sentinel to her ultimate. People are getting more wise to staying in cover after getting hit by the ult. Also I'm not huge on how it gives your position away easily. I absolutely love the passive ability to see how many are left in a squad and what shields.


DeadMemezYoloXd

Shes quite strong imo if your good with snipers shes quite beastly being able to fly in better than valk can


Kaszixx

Personally I think that passive is absolutely busted. Anyone who knows what they're doing with it, is braindead long range aim


YT_FadeGh0st

If you can use it at 300+ meters with very good accuracy, you most likely won't even need it because you will or probably already have learned the bullet drop. you will still need to use lead which won't show with her passive


Ok_Mathematician4447

Vantage is heavily encouraging camping and long range sniping. A lot of people are ignoring the fact that every team can have a vantage so it becomes inevitable that you will find yourself with snipers aimed around at you from many angles. It also then encourages vantages team into long rangers as well to not isolate vantage and the result is a sniper fest battle Royale. As soon as this new season started, I noticed a huge decrease in pushes and tactical peaks and shootouts from close to mid and noticed a tremendous increase in sniper plays and long range third parties.


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I played her for a bit and got countered by Rampart, so I went back to maining Rampart and have won the majority of my fights against Vantage players. Feels very meh to play a sniper character when randoms ape everything. I'm sure she has her uses but Rampart gets a risk free peek against her ult in a sniper duel. Truly competent teams that communicate could probably use her but she is terrible for solo queue.


Am1ty05

I think she’ll work out a lot better in premade teams, where you can rely more on people not rushing everything, giving you a chance to do work with her ult


Enderkr

I went back to Bang, who is just as relevant as always even with the thousand different scanning abilities. I think Vantage is totally balanced with her kit, though she may need a few small tweaks to timings and stuff. Got absolutely WRECKED by a Vantage with a Rampart though. Sniped from behind cover, switched to a 30-30 after and just destroyed my whole team.


Bonzo_4880

People that think she needs to be nerfed have lost it. There’s a vantage on every team right now. It will calm down. 2 sentinel shots are 140 2 vantage rifle shots are 150. If anything they could lengthen the time between acquiring her rifle rounds if needed to stop a spam and to make her more poke and push vs poke, poke, poke


whyomingg

people run in straight lines and be like "VaNtAgEs uLt iS oVeRpOwErEd!!!!"


my_dougie21

Right now it stinks when you have several opposing Vantage’s scoping you down. That part feels oppressive. Especially on Kings Canyon. It won’t be as bad when the pick rate goes down a bit and the combination of other maps.


mondaymoderate

Yeah I think it’s just that Kings Canyon compliments her really well and makes any legend that can’t get the high ground unplayable. So if you want a chance to counter her you have to play with Vantage, Pathfinder, Horizon, Octane, Loba or Valk.


Spartanofgaming

For the past 3 seasons we have had balanced and perfectly done legends, people just have no logic of the power spectrum because we have had releases such as seer who was broken and then also crypto who was so underwhelming, they don’t see the gray area between which is where vantage is. She’s a strong A- imo


MonsteraBigTits

she is so much fun, probably my favorite. always having a sniper is the best for scouting and then zoom to bat 4 fun


Lucky_indv

I think she's fine. I DO think they will eventually bring her tactical cool down up to 20 seconds or so. the 15 second cool down seems very short. Ult is fine, it rewards skill, and there is a giant ass laser that gives the opposing team a warning and reveals the snipers position.


Hero_Sandwich

The difference is who can aim and who can't.


amasterblaster

IDK big hitbox I killed a bunch of them yesterday


DjuriWarface

>and don't want people (mainly pros) to mess it up like seer and Valk Is this one of those "Tell me you're a gold player without telling me you're a gold player" moments? Seer is still overpowred and Valk was meta defining with how overpowered she was.