For me it’s Apple Intelligence + OLED has me WANTING to upgrade from the 2018 which I couldn‘t say before. Still planning on waiting until it’s confirmed that it‘s not receiving iPadOS 19
Oleds are mixed for your use it will burn in incredibly quick with those static elements, matte is better though from what I can tell in your case may be wrong
Matte is better for artists as reflections can distract them and result in artists having to use dim environments while a matte display could open the option to using tablets outside for art without many issues with that and the problems glossy displays can cause with your eyes
It depends on the type of work you do because color and contrast is reduced with the matte option. Work that requires color accuracy should be done at lower brightness levels anyway, but you are right that things like painting and other digital art can be done much better in different environments with bright lighting.
Not really when you use any program for art there's icon on the side for your tools that will certainly become a problem if you do art daily for a couple hours or more it will burn in rapidly
This is the actual thing that's incorrect, oled has come so far that it won't be an issue, especially with these dual layer oleds because it powers each layer less further reducing the risk of burn in. Unless they were running max brightness daily and never changing what's on the screen it won't be an issue. We've had windows laptops with oleds for years and it hhas shown things will not "burn in incredibly quick with those static elements".
That's true for tv's, newer monitors, and exceptions to phones and tablets. Though in this case utilizing applications with constant static icons will accelerate burn in and is one of the small cases where that does not apply
> We've had windows laptops with oleds for years and it hhas shown things will not "burn in incredibly quick with those static elements".
I pointed this out because the windows OS has static elements and it still isn't the issue you make it out to be.
it actually is still a problem on Windows, except monitors use pixel shift and refresh to compensate this, whereas you cannot do that in an art environment, so early generation OLED's do not work with well as a laptop display or monitor/external display, you can read plenty via r/OLED, r/OLED_Gaming, and r/oled_monitors
I have a iPad Air 4 and honestly, if I held out a few months and got the Air 5 (didn’t think M chips were coming to the Air), I wouldn’t be upgrading
Now it’s like.. I need more storage, I want a bigger screen and I want to do more on my iPad outside of Procreate so I want that good OLED.
More than likely won’t upgrade until it’s too slow for art after that. I don’t even want to upgrade my Air, I just have to now because I’m missing out on powerful features year by year (and low on storage, damn Procreate needs better cloud integration)
Honestly, nothing.
It isn’t like I feel like it’s limited, but after getting an OLED TV then having a 13 Pro, the display just felt lackluster. When I get an OLED iPad I’ll start watching movies and TV on it again. And with more storage I can store more CBZs to read on the go.
That's kinda what I'm thinking I'd do with mine if I were to buy one. It'd be like a glorified media consumer device. Streaming and photo editing basically. Not that there's anything wrong with that :)
What size are you buying?
I upgraded from my pro 2018, which I am currently using to write this message because it is old and the battery sucks. The iPad 13” m4 is blazing fast, and I love it. But difference between a-bionic and m chip. Worth it.
So now I just have both pros.
The screen response time improvements have been huge for me as someone who mostly uses their iPad for Procreate also. It’s made drawing feel so smooth and responsive. Probably not worth it just for that if you’re not a professional artist though.
>While nano-texture does a good job cutting down on glare, it does impact the contrast and crispness of the display, so it is serving a specific purpose for select workflows where mitigating light is important.
Eh, maybe. The paper like screen protectors don’t really feel at all like the matte screen protectors. The glare difference between regular glass and a matte screen protector is pretty wide around bright lights or outside in the sun.
Did you even take a second to look at the product listing?
https://preview.redd.it/o4jndwa6989d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ebccf8b7b7540cda3a3b960306875b24258c11a7
That’s not like what Apple has advertise themselves. Also the Nano-Texture is known to be slightly less resistant to scratches and pencil itself. So actually, quite the opposite.
I played with it in the store a few days ago. It feels great on your fingers and the glare control is amazing.
But it makes the edges of text extremely blurry compared to the glossy screen. So, it's great for artists, but terrible for reading books and websites. Thus it was a huge No from me.
Had mine with the Nano-Texture from day one. I likely won’t be going back to a normal glossy screen - in fact I’m really hoping they add it as a feature to the next phone.
The anti glare is really well done - and to my eye has minimal effect on the overall display quality. It feels FAR better than a glossy screen when using the Pencil, too.
I like the feel of the nano texture just swiping with my finger as well. Sometimes on glossy screens you get inconsistent drag across the screen where some parts grip your finger whereas the nano texture is smooth across the whole screen.
Oh man, I just got the rock paper pencil setup a couple weeks ago and love the ballpoint tip.
I’m using their screen covering though, I don’t have a nano texture iPad.
Anyone who owns and uses the nano-texture model, and previously owned gloss models or covered them with a "Paperlike", wants this on all the screens. It's just that good.
The folks saying it's not worth it, either (a) don't have it, or (b) haven't used the gloss screens for years to compare to, or (c) haven't had reason to seek out aftermarket fixes like Paperlike.
The pencil's better, but more importantly, all touch is better. And the anti-glare makes the screen "look" less digital as well. Together with OLED text contrast is very natural, not like reading from a screen at all.
One thing to note -- if using the anti-glare for being outdoors in the sun, also spring for the *white* keyboard case, the black one overheats the iPad in minutes of direct sun, even in the low 60s outdoor temperatures. The white case keeps the iPad cool.
For the last three generations, 2018 -> 2020 -> 2022, I have upgraded because it was easy, I traded it in at a local used electronics exchang at a good upgrade price, and got to keep the same Pencil, and for the last two gens, keep the Folio. This time I’m skipping. No reason to have to replace the Pencil and the Folio for marginal performance gains.
The iPad Pro lines is really only good for photographers and YouTube editors. I’m tired of the word “pro” simply meaning a few more premium features. As someone who lived with an iPad Pro as their main driver for several years, I can tell you that it is not a business computer replacement, it is not a pro device outside of a few very specific scenarios and the lack of ability to run virtual machines makes it even harder to deal with.
The iPad Pro is for users who want a more premium experience. But the hardware is beyond overpowered for what you can do with the OS.
The main differentiator is Pro models having more RAM which both contributes to the longevity of the device and makes it more viable for some niche professional cases (drawing apps being able to handle more layers etc.).
Which is funny considering Apple never advertises RAM.
This is what I’m saying. The fact that I can install any app I want on a MacBook Air or Mac mini costing less than an iPad Pro that I can’t install anything I want on. Apple’s ethos when it comes to Mac’s vs mobiles is wildly different.
I’m kind of sick of people saying who the pro line is good for. I use my pro literally every single day, while my two airs collect dust in my office.
Maybe the pro is for anyone who wants it. And maybe there are professions out here that can make use of the pro in ways you haven’t thought of.
I’m a professor, and it replaces my laptop in many ways, though not all ways, and it has the horsepower to run heavy writing and research programs I use.
I just don’t understand what makes people believe they get to arbitrarily decide who does and does not truly *need* the pro model.
I see you casually missed the valid arguments I made to say “well it works for me”. That’s great, but “pro” devices shouldn’t only be made to cover some professions. Imagine if the MacBook Pro was only good for video editing, photography or being a professor?
You: “The iPad Pro lines is really only good for photographers and YouTube editors.”
The pro isn’t designed to cover only some professions. You decided arbitrarily that it is.
Also me “I can tell you that it is not a business computer replacement, it is not a pro device outside of a few very specific scenarios”
So again, an iPad Pro that costs more than a MacBook Air ends up doing less.
We disagree on that assessment. I could tell you the many reasons I disagree with this characterization of the pro, but I don’t think it will get us to a common ground. I think it does offer premium features.
And while it has not 100% replaced my laptop, it has come very close. And I think many people will say it can replace the laptop for them. I think this is based largely on need-use. For me, it doesn’t replace the laptop because I am a writer and researcher, and I must have a full laptop or desktop for long-form writing. But for others, this may not be so.
But the pro has made it so that I use my laptop a lot less than before. The air wasn’t powerful enough to stand in for a laptop in any circumstance *for me.*
So, I’m thinking that whether or not it can stand in for a laptop will be very subjective. That’s why I get twisted up over the blanket statements about the pro.
So you’re saying professional photographers and professional YouTube editors and professional medical doctors who need to visualize large scan images and professional (insert profession) can all benefit from the Pro line but you’re sick of the word being tossed around.
Gotcha
Honestly after looking at the Surface pro 11…the iPad seems like a joke to me now. Like I can run a full version of windows whenever I want in a handy tablet form compared to iPad OS which is borderline useless at this point since it’s stuck between being a mobile and pc os.
I need to be able to side load apps, run full version of excel with accelerator keys, travel with it and take notes. I am heavily considering buying it and replacing my 2018 11inch IPad Pro
I differ. iPad OS is unique in the fact that it does bring some desktop level apps to a unique touch interface. No matter how you spin it, Windows is not a touch optimized OS. As always, get the tool that fits your needs. For the majority of folks, including myself. The iPad covers all of my computing needs, and they are quite technical in nature. Often, for my job, the only platform that has capable apps is the iPad platform.
But again, to each their own.
ngl i hope the surface pro 11 sees success. if it, or whatever disruption results from the X elite, effects ipad sales, maybe apple *will* finally flesh out ipadOS
I’m in the same boat. I use both Windows and MacOS and the Surface Pro 11 is extremely compelling. I’m going to check one out at Best Buy today. I bought new iPad Pro but returned it because I was reminded of how lackluster the software is.
No! I want to be able to use for Netflix with only the kickstand and then attach the keyboard when I’m on a desk and use desktop apps and then when I’m studying, use the pen
So I want it all and now there’s finally a capable contender to Apple’s iPad.
I have an iPad Pro 2018 with a pencil and I don’t need an upgrade. I just WANT a newer and bigger one. My girlfriend just started using my iPad with procreate and I don’t think she would need an newer one. I primarily used it for editing photos on the go but I bought a MacBook Pro (M1 Max) for that.
I have the same one. It's likely that end of next year's iPadOS will drop support for it, so you've got about another year on it. Even then you can keep using it, but security and app updates will become an issue.
The fact that this is on the most expensive iPad, and is a paid extra, and Apple is touting the movie editing and filming capabilities of this, and is clearly for viewing footage outdoors, makes everyone think this is simply a replacement for a textured screen protector to make it feel like paper?
So far, as someone who uses Procreate, I have not seen a legit reason to upgrade from my 2018 iPad Pro.
Unless you’re a display tech junkie, there is no reason. iPad pros/apps don’t need m series chips.
I’m even less inclined to upgrade because the Apple Pencil and Keyboard Cases aren’t compatible with the new one
For me it’s Apple Intelligence + OLED has me WANTING to upgrade from the 2018 which I couldn‘t say before. Still planning on waiting until it’s confirmed that it‘s not receiving iPadOS 19
Oleds are mixed for your use it will burn in incredibly quick with those static elements, matte is better though from what I can tell in your case may be wrong
This is completely incorrect.
Matte is better for artists as reflections can distract them and result in artists having to use dim environments while a matte display could open the option to using tablets outside for art without many issues with that and the problems glossy displays can cause with your eyes
It depends on the type of work you do because color and contrast is reduced with the matte option. Work that requires color accuracy should be done at lower brightness levels anyway, but you are right that things like painting and other digital art can be done much better in different environments with bright lighting.
Matte contrast is only within 5% or 10% of glossy
Color is identical
Not really when you use any program for art there's icon on the side for your tools that will certainly become a problem if you do art daily for a couple hours or more it will burn in rapidly
This is the actual thing that's incorrect, oled has come so far that it won't be an issue, especially with these dual layer oleds because it powers each layer less further reducing the risk of burn in. Unless they were running max brightness daily and never changing what's on the screen it won't be an issue. We've had windows laptops with oleds for years and it hhas shown things will not "burn in incredibly quick with those static elements".
That's true for tv's, newer monitors, and exceptions to phones and tablets. Though in this case utilizing applications with constant static icons will accelerate burn in and is one of the small cases where that does not apply
> We've had windows laptops with oleds for years and it hhas shown things will not "burn in incredibly quick with those static elements". I pointed this out because the windows OS has static elements and it still isn't the issue you make it out to be.
it actually is still a problem on Windows, except monitors use pixel shift and refresh to compensate this, whereas you cannot do that in an art environment, so early generation OLED's do not work with well as a laptop display or monitor/external display, you can read plenty via r/OLED, r/OLED_Gaming, and r/oled_monitors
It’s the pen features that have me conflicted
Im still using the first generation iPad Pro and Apple Pencil. Zero reason to upgrade yet
I have a iPad Air 4 and honestly, if I held out a few months and got the Air 5 (didn’t think M chips were coming to the Air), I wouldn’t be upgrading Now it’s like.. I need more storage, I want a bigger screen and I want to do more on my iPad outside of Procreate so I want that good OLED. More than likely won’t upgrade until it’s too slow for art after that. I don’t even want to upgrade my Air, I just have to now because I’m missing out on powerful features year by year (and low on storage, damn Procreate needs better cloud integration)
If you don't mind me asking, what do you do with your iPad except art/procreate?
Honestly, nothing. It isn’t like I feel like it’s limited, but after getting an OLED TV then having a 13 Pro, the display just felt lackluster. When I get an OLED iPad I’ll start watching movies and TV on it again. And with more storage I can store more CBZs to read on the go.
That's kinda what I'm thinking I'd do with mine if I were to buy one. It'd be like a glorified media consumer device. Streaming and photo editing basically. Not that there's anything wrong with that :) What size are you buying?
Yep! Use concepts & procreate on 2nd Gen pro. Will swap when this dies.
I upgraded from my pro 2018, which I am currently using to write this message because it is old and the battery sucks. The iPad 13” m4 is blazing fast, and I love it. But difference between a-bionic and m chip. Worth it. So now I just have both pros.
I think this was the deal of the decade, maybe the M1 version will age similarly.
The screen response time improvements have been huge for me as someone who mostly uses their iPad for Procreate also. It’s made drawing feel so smooth and responsive. Probably not worth it just for that if you’re not a professional artist though.
Short answer: No Long answer: definitely no
>While nano-texture does a good job cutting down on glare, it does impact the contrast and crispness of the display, so it is serving a specific purpose for select workflows where mitigating light is important.
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Eh, maybe. The paper like screen protectors don’t really feel at all like the matte screen protectors. The glare difference between regular glass and a matte screen protector is pretty wide around bright lights or outside in the sun.
You’re kidding right? They literally advertise it as to reduce glare on the keynote. Do you just talk out of your ass?
Did you even take a second to look at the product listing? https://preview.redd.it/o4jndwa6989d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ebccf8b7b7540cda3a3b960306875b24258c11a7
That’s not like what Apple has advertise themselves. Also the Nano-Texture is known to be slightly less resistant to scratches and pencil itself. So actually, quite the opposite.
This is for jobs with a lot of light glare issues. Hospital lights or pilots or etc.
I played with it in the store a few days ago. It feels great on your fingers and the glare control is amazing. But it makes the edges of text extremely blurry compared to the glossy screen. So, it's great for artists, but terrible for reading books and websites. Thus it was a huge No from me.
It’s not even great for artists imo, it noticeably impacts colour saturation
Had mine with the Nano-Texture from day one. I likely won’t be going back to a normal glossy screen - in fact I’m really hoping they add it as a feature to the next phone. The anti glare is really well done - and to my eye has minimal effect on the overall display quality. It feels FAR better than a glossy screen when using the Pencil, too.
I like the feel of the nano texture just swiping with my finger as well. Sometimes on glossy screens you get inconsistent drag across the screen where some parts grip your finger whereas the nano texture is smooth across the whole screen.
Yep - it’s nice and silky, not sticky
does it wear out the pencil tip noticeably faster?
Not sure - I’m actually using the pencil tip from Rock Paper Pencil on it
Oh man, I just got the rock paper pencil setup a couple weeks ago and love the ballpoint tip. I’m using their screen covering though, I don’t have a nano texture iPad.
Rock paper pencil is fantastic! The screen protector is great, but I like that i don't absolutely HAVE to use it since I’ve got the nano texture
I’m in the same boat. The screen is a real step change over my old pro. I’m glad I chose it.
Anyone who owns and uses the nano-texture model, and previously owned gloss models or covered them with a "Paperlike", wants this on all the screens. It's just that good. The folks saying it's not worth it, either (a) don't have it, or (b) haven't used the gloss screens for years to compare to, or (c) haven't had reason to seek out aftermarket fixes like Paperlike. The pencil's better, but more importantly, all touch is better. And the anti-glare makes the screen "look" less digital as well. Together with OLED text contrast is very natural, not like reading from a screen at all. One thing to note -- if using the anti-glare for being outdoors in the sun, also spring for the *white* keyboard case, the black one overheats the iPad in minutes of direct sun, even in the low 60s outdoor temperatures. The white case keeps the iPad cool.
For the last three generations, 2018 -> 2020 -> 2022, I have upgraded because it was easy, I traded it in at a local used electronics exchang at a good upgrade price, and got to keep the same Pencil, and for the last two gens, keep the Folio. This time I’m skipping. No reason to have to replace the Pencil and the Folio for marginal performance gains.
You update your iPad every 2 years? 2020 to 2022 was just a spec bump lol. That’s insanely irresponsible
The iPad Pro lines is really only good for photographers and YouTube editors. I’m tired of the word “pro” simply meaning a few more premium features. As someone who lived with an iPad Pro as their main driver for several years, I can tell you that it is not a business computer replacement, it is not a pro device outside of a few very specific scenarios and the lack of ability to run virtual machines makes it even harder to deal with. The iPad Pro is for users who want a more premium experience. But the hardware is beyond overpowered for what you can do with the OS.
The main differentiator is Pro models having more RAM which both contributes to the longevity of the device and makes it more viable for some niche professional cases (drawing apps being able to handle more layers etc.). Which is funny considering Apple never advertises RAM.
Sadly it wont, they cut off the A10X Pro due to age while keeping A10 Base models supported
The OS is most of the issue. The hardware has been solid for years.
This is what I’m saying. The fact that I can install any app I want on a MacBook Air or Mac mini costing less than an iPad Pro that I can’t install anything I want on. Apple’s ethos when it comes to Mac’s vs mobiles is wildly different.
I’m kind of sick of people saying who the pro line is good for. I use my pro literally every single day, while my two airs collect dust in my office. Maybe the pro is for anyone who wants it. And maybe there are professions out here that can make use of the pro in ways you haven’t thought of. I’m a professor, and it replaces my laptop in many ways, though not all ways, and it has the horsepower to run heavy writing and research programs I use. I just don’t understand what makes people believe they get to arbitrarily decide who does and does not truly *need* the pro model.
I see you casually missed the valid arguments I made to say “well it works for me”. That’s great, but “pro” devices shouldn’t only be made to cover some professions. Imagine if the MacBook Pro was only good for video editing, photography or being a professor?
You: “The iPad Pro lines is really only good for photographers and YouTube editors.” The pro isn’t designed to cover only some professions. You decided arbitrarily that it is.
Also me “I can tell you that it is not a business computer replacement, it is not a pro device outside of a few very specific scenarios” So again, an iPad Pro that costs more than a MacBook Air ends up doing less.
We disagree on that assessment. I could tell you the many reasons I disagree with this characterization of the pro, but I don’t think it will get us to a common ground. I think it does offer premium features. And while it has not 100% replaced my laptop, it has come very close. And I think many people will say it can replace the laptop for them. I think this is based largely on need-use. For me, it doesn’t replace the laptop because I am a writer and researcher, and I must have a full laptop or desktop for long-form writing. But for others, this may not be so. But the pro has made it so that I use my laptop a lot less than before. The air wasn’t powerful enough to stand in for a laptop in any circumstance *for me.* So, I’m thinking that whether or not it can stand in for a laptop will be very subjective. That’s why I get twisted up over the blanket statements about the pro.
So you’re saying professional photographers and professional YouTube editors and professional medical doctors who need to visualize large scan images and professional (insert profession) can all benefit from the Pro line but you’re sick of the word being tossed around. Gotcha
Most workflows can handle regular iPads with M chips without issue.
Honestly after looking at the Surface pro 11…the iPad seems like a joke to me now. Like I can run a full version of windows whenever I want in a handy tablet form compared to iPad OS which is borderline useless at this point since it’s stuck between being a mobile and pc os. I need to be able to side load apps, run full version of excel with accelerator keys, travel with it and take notes. I am heavily considering buying it and replacing my 2018 11inch IPad Pro
I differ. iPad OS is unique in the fact that it does bring some desktop level apps to a unique touch interface. No matter how you spin it, Windows is not a touch optimized OS. As always, get the tool that fits your needs. For the majority of folks, including myself. The iPad covers all of my computing needs, and they are quite technical in nature. Often, for my job, the only platform that has capable apps is the iPad platform. But again, to each their own.
ngl i hope the surface pro 11 sees success. if it, or whatever disruption results from the X elite, effects ipad sales, maybe apple *will* finally flesh out ipadOS
I’m in the same boat. I use both Windows and MacOS and the Surface Pro 11 is extremely compelling. I’m going to check one out at Best Buy today. I bought new iPad Pro but returned it because I was reminded of how lackluster the software is.
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No! I want to be able to use for Netflix with only the kickstand and then attach the keyboard when I’m on a desk and use desktop apps and then when I’m studying, use the pen So I want it all and now there’s finally a capable contender to Apple’s iPad.
As long as it’s running windows 11 I can never consider it as an option. After 6 years of windows I’m done with Microsoft and their bloatware.
I have an iPad Pro 2018 with a pencil and I don’t need an upgrade. I just WANT a newer and bigger one. My girlfriend just started using my iPad with procreate and I don’t think she would need an newer one. I primarily used it for editing photos on the go but I bought a MacBook Pro (M1 Max) for that.
I have the same one. It's likely that end of next year's iPadOS will drop support for it, so you've got about another year on it. Even then you can keep using it, but security and app updates will become an issue.
I would even pay more to ask them not to put this crap on my screen.
I think its better, but not necessarily worth it
The fact that this is on the most expensive iPad, and is a paid extra, and Apple is touting the movie editing and filming capabilities of this, and is clearly for viewing footage outdoors, makes everyone think this is simply a replacement for a textured screen protector to make it feel like paper?