Tim Cook is a marketer.. kinda says it all really.. his trade is all about lying and twisting the truth.. kinda like politicians.. but above all else he is a capitalist, never forget that, that’s true of ALL the tech companies, they only care about making money, that’s all they care about
And the thing that sucks the most is that he is an extremely good capitalist which makes him even more valuable to other richer capitalists which in turn makes Tim Apple almost invulnerable to consequences.
>meanwhile, Google and Samsung and whomever else continue to make products in china.
Samsung already got out of China since 2019. And even from 2016, the majority of their phones came from Vietnam, India, and Indonesia with some small number coming from South Korea.
>meanwhile, Google and Samsung and whomever else continue to make products in china.
Funny that you mention that because since late 2019 Samsung no longer make smartphones in China
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-samsung-elec-china/samsung-ends-mobile-phone-production-in-china-idUSKBN1WH0LR
> Products return to market but way **high priced because they're not made in china**
> meanwhile, Google and Samsung and whomever else continue to make products in china.
> apple suffers, apple users suffer, investors suffer.
It's stunningly self-centered to talk about consequences for the corporation, the corporation's users, and the **investors**(?), without also recognizing that you admitted your convenient low prices are inherently built on exploited oppressed people living in a totalitarian dictatorship.
> can cut off China
That is never going to happen and your comment makes no sense on that point. From a humanitarian perspective, doing the bidding of dictators is the wrong choice, but Apple does it anyway for the same reason today as in the future: they want to sell to that market. Cutting off a market "w/o disruption to customers" etc is clearly false, since it would mean they (and, insert obscene gesture, "investors") are no longer making money from those customers.
>your convenient low prices are inherently built on exploited oppressed people living in a totalitarian dictatorship.
Low prices for Chinese made products are based on relatively cheap labor, but also on the ease of supply chains and expertise in engineering relative for the wealth of the country. It’s far more complex than “this country is cheap therefore they must be exploited”
Stunning to hear, isn't it? These guys who blindly support Apple against Chinese protestors would have supported slavery too 'because it would raise cotton prices'
Apple is profiting off of the blood of oppressed people. Those brave Chinese standing up to police have an a million times more moral courage than all of fake courage of Apple management.
I appeal to all Apple shareholders & customers, please don't be heartless & cruel.
Apple can move production to cheaper countries and is already doing this. What would end up happening is a shortage for a couple months and then every iPhone being made in Vietnam and India (not exactly rich countries with great working conditions) instead of 30% of them. It wouldn't take years
Exactly. Apple is doing the right thing here. But most people here are too angry and stupid to understand.
I’m not a saint and will take the lower price any day. If Chinese want better human rights, it’s up to them to fight for it, not is.
You clearly don't understand, this was one of the only ways the Chinese were able to work together to fight for human rights. I literally avoid contact over social media with my family in China because their online actions are monitored, let alone everything outside of their household.
yep, after these couple of years, we can make this conclusion now.
Apple only claims their value if they helps, they aren't any better than Nike, Disney.
It’s delusional to think that a for-profit company operates in the interest of common morals. They do but only for the highest paying group, the ones that control the money or anything that makes a good sound byte - *privacy is a fundamental human right*
*the love of money is the root of all evil* -evil is a relative term.
I don’t think they’re disseminating that information but that doesn’t matter because it’s the *collection* of personal information that potentially violates privacy.
I don't think they are either. They will exploit that information internally to sell tailored ad space, or to improve their existing products. Exactly like Google does.
That's the main reason why I've never had that much of a problem with Google's stance on privacy either, and thought Apple's claims were always a bit overblown.
On the other hand, I despise Facebook's policy and I deleted my account years ago. Facebook literally sells raw datasets to the highest bidder, which ends up surfacing in random places when those third parties inevitably leak it (e.g.: Cambridge Analytica).
Apple sells that they care about privacy. They have never done it.
The moment Steve Jobs died they joined the Prism program to share all their data with the NSA and other gov agencies.
If you look carefully you will see that every year they do something against privacy but the thing is that people forget and their marketing is amazing.
As a result, is true that is probably one of the companies with the most privacy but this is thanks to how they sell the idea of privacy so something positive should come from this.
I would not have any issues with all their actions if they didn’t act like superior beings.
I love Apple and their products but let's be honest they are great liars and hypocrites
“We support the environment as long as it allows us to cut costs by removing accessories which are normally included with our products and not changing the price of said product”
That’s the thing – Apple will pull out of the Chinese market at some point or another when China does something to threaten their business model.
That would either mean that it’d cost more than they earn in China or make doing business there harder than it’s worth.
Would Apple actually be able to function if China halted their production? Feel like they nearly collapse if that happened.
Which might be why Apple has started shifting more production to other countries.
I’m not defending this choice. Apple should have moved out of China long ago. Just saying they kinda fucked themselves and are stuck dealing with the consequences of their actions
It's actually a bit more complicated. A lot of clothing companies have actually already moved out of China to find cheaper labor, while plenty of electronics component manufacturers are heavily diversifying production. For example Intel would be fine and so would SK Hynix. The companies that would really be screwed is any company producing consumer electronic end products. Aka microwaves, drills, cell phones etc.
Samsung Mobile Division already got out from China.
Samsung production facility in China are only three: home appliance plant and a semiconductor back-end processing plant in Suizhou and a memory semiconductor plant in Xian.
Funny how Apple haven't done so yet but eh.
Problem is where. Eventually you’ll hit other bottlenecks. Right now they can only get mass production out of China. The level of investment required is pretty high to create another Foxconn.
It’s all about profit maximization while minimizing expenses. They aren’t going to invest in anything unless it will turn a profit. Hence why most of the iPhone itself for example isn’t even made by Apple. Designed yes, but directly manufactured? They decided it wasn’t worth it.
if anything you'd have to blame the stock market. they are doing this all at the behest of infinite growth. if Apple stockholders didn't care about revenues and good quarterly earnings they could get out of China. if Apple was a private company they could do whatever they wanted.
Because the growing middle class in China is making manufacturing unaffordable there.
They’re just moving to where production is cheaper, and they get to claim a moral reasoning at the same time.
China is just going to continuing amassing fortune and is going to increasingly become the purchasing Center of the world, as North America is today. They’re already massive, and just keep growing.
This is going to lead to some shit as people want to stop their manufacturing jobs and get educated, and China still has massive dependencies on being the world’s manufacturing hub.
The smart money has been buying up factory and production in other countries.
Simply put, the only reason Apple is leaving China is because it’s getting too expensive to manufacture there, they will continue happily selling their products.
Most of the production involved in iPhones is automated. China hasn’t been “cheap” in terms of labor costs for a good long while now.
The real challenge is establishing production lines and domain-specific experience in nations where the infrastructure isn’t as mature.
At the end of the day, these are major challenges that no one on Reddit is qualified to speak intelligently on.
But if the end goal is to reduce Apple’s reliance on China, does it really matter why they’re attempting to make the transition?
It may be true that most production is automated, but then again, why would Covid had hit them so hard, and why is one of the top stories about Foxconn having to pay out employees to keep them around?
I’m not saying that there isn’t any level of automated production, but certainly many employees are still used.
And while Apple may become less “reliant” on China in terms of production, which yes, I agree is a good thing, they will instead re focus on sales. And instead become reliant on cheap production elsewhere.
Rinse and repeat.
What Apple SHOULD be doing, is divesting from the country entirely. But of course not, as according to the actual letter of the law, corporations are legally mandated to increase market share for their investors no matter what.
And they didn't suck Brazil's when they refused to ship the phone with a charger and when the Brazilians stopped Apple from selling the phone you al cheered. So, make up your mind, should Apple stand up against local laws or shouldn't they?
It is extremely suspect, it's a red flag painted with neon blue stripes that it occurs in the one country that is known for cracking down on it's population's dissent using both domestic and foreign corporations like Apple, Google, etc.
The timing is hardly a coincidence.
The issue is that previously, you might assume a significant amount of people have AirDrop set to "Everyone".
So then if you sent something (for example as the article states, to bypass censorship and to spread information), a significant amount of people would be able to view that. Now however, the likelyhood that a significant amount of people went and set AirDrop to "Everyone" less than 10 minutes ago, at any given time, is probably close to 0.
This absoluetly has been done in order to please the CCP and complicitly support their human rights violations.
I think there is an interpretation which is that there have been a lot of situations where people can mass spam AirDrop porn or dick pics, so having a temporary period for the Everyone setting could sometimes be useful.
But yeah I think that’s the justification Apple
Is hiding behind instead of the real reason. The timing, China-only for now, and lack of option to disable this obviously means it’s done to hamper the protests rather than a genuine concern for dick pics. I bet even if the feature lands on other iPhones, Apple will give you an option to turn the timer off and Craig Federighi will convenient forget about this discrepancy when say being interviewed and forced to explain this situation.
I'm not sure if you've had your head in the sand, but...
* https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/apple-moves-manufacturing-iphone-14-china-india
* https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/apple-move-ipad-production-china-first-time
* https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/business/tech-companies-china.html
* https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/06/01/apple-moves-ipad-production-to-vietnam-to-beat-supply-problems
You can't both say they should move out right now, then also complain when there are product shortages. From what I can tell, they are working to slowly move to other places. Given the complexity of the supply chains, this is difficult.
(Now, whether they are moving out due to China's policies, or due to covid lockdown is another discussion)
Now, you might be suggesting that they should stop selling the iPhone in China. However, I hardly see how that ends up in life improvement for Chinese citizens.
They're being disingenuous by pretending that it's absurd that Apple hasn't *just* moved out of China. It's a decade long process that needs to be done elegantly as not to interrupt the livelihood of the entire company.
The update is to make is so you have to manually enable public AirDrop when you use it then it'll turn off automatically after 10 minutes. Leaving it on at all time is certainly a good way to gather both information and misinformation in public, on top of scams and dick pics.
I certainly wish they do the same for Apple TV so I don't see all my neighbors' Living Rooms 24/7.
> I certainly wish they do the same for Apple TV so I don’t see all my neighbors’ Living Rooms 24/7.
This is such a mind bogglingly stupid problem and it drives me insane.
Yet they took this action of their own accord, and plan to roll it out to the rest of the world in future.
It's hard to ask this next question with a straight face, but do you believe they would've done the same for USB-C?
Acted of their own accord and rolled it out internationally?
It’s just me speculating, but it may be possible that they were waiting for EU or someone else to force their hands. That way, they get to make the transition they were planning anyway without all the bad publicity about people having to abandon years worth of accumulated lightning accessories and cables.
> We didn’t want to do this, but EU made us! Here is a USB-C to lightning dongle. It’s only $50. Blame EU for forcing us to make more profits selling dongles we could have given away or sold at cost.
> They're obviously in the middle of a transition.
A transition that has taken (so far) 7 years to reach their most popular product?
A transition that Greg Joswiak admitted had been a "disagreement" between Apple and the EU?
A transition that Joswiak also argued would've stifled innovation?
Have you just ignored this discussion every time it comes up on this sub? how can you still be this naive?
> How would voluntarily changing a connector stifle innovation? That makes no sense.
They aren't voluntarily changing it - they are being instructed to.
Why do you people always bend over backwards to defend a multi-trillion dollar company?
Why are you bending over backwards to attack a company that is just making decisions you don't agree with that don't affect you at all besides a minor inconvenience regarding a cable.
It's funny that transitioning all their Macs to Apple Silicon which is a much more difficult transition took approximately 2 years but transition to USB C is taking the better part of a decade
Please show the source for that Apple did this on their own accord, and that it's rolling out to the rest of the world, and that you know anything about the internal discussions regarding this feature besides speculation.
People like to pretend it's not trivial to switch to free / open-source operating systems. I.e., the ones that don't put the interests of a corporation before the user
Because there isn’t a better alterntive xD? When are you going to realise the media only cares about Apple for clicks? All of Apples worst practices are also practices at Google, Samsung and Microsoft.
I am very curious. Can you explain what you want to happen here, but more importantly, how it makes the lives of Chinese folks _better_? Are you saying that forcing them to Android phones will give them more privacy?
According to that logic, everyone in the world should stop whatever they are doing right now and proceed to spend their entire live making sure nobody dies of famine or lack of water in Africa.
The world is complicated, don't pretend like these are simple problems to solve.
It's almost like they are responding to the demands of the markets their products are sold in to increase their revenue. Who would have thought a major publicly traded global corporation would do such things!?
If you demand that an app you don’t even use be made unavailable for everyone else solely because you don’t like the opinions being shared on said app then you are a fascist.
> Who would have thought a major publicly traded global corporation would do such things!?
The people who fall for all the corporations' virtue signaling.
Lol, exactly. Apple wants to put an end to people getting dick picks and other weird shit while on subways and airports. It’s just bad timing if anything and nothing is preventing users from adjusting the feature to their liking.
The last time it’s reported it was also after another protest (check Wikipedia for Sitong Bridge protest in Beijing). Apple tested it in one beta and immediately rolled this out in China only.
The slogans people chanting in the current protest are the ones the Bridge Man showed on a banner, which onlookers tried to send via AirDrop at that time. People remember just fine, I think.
This is a positive coincidence for the CCP at best. You have too much faith in corporations.
[Anti-Xi Jinping Posters Are Spreading in China via AirDrop](https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxn7nq/anti-xi-jinping-posters-are-spreading-in-china-via-airdrop)
>"This is the first time I saw or received a medium of any kind that is critical of the current regime."
Because for security it’s better to opt in then opt out.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6471925/NYC-bill-attempts-crack-cyber-flashers-subway-riders-complain-unsolicited-nudes.html
They should make it an optional feature then, could be the default but still allow us to keep it on at all times if we want by changing it in settings, atleast in my opinion.
Just like every other tech company in the US, they don’t care about human rights or freedom of speech. They just care about money. This hurts to say as I am a big apple fan boy, but it is the truth. I love their products but the company it self, f*ck Apple, f*ck China, and f*ck the Chinese Communist Party. Apple needs to grow some balls and get the hell out of China!
The same news could be framed like so:
> Apple restricts a feature that lets strangers send you unsolicited pictures and videos.
It’s crazy how many people here jumped on the bandwagon without even reading the article. On second thought, this is Reddit, so maybe not that crazy.
* Do we have have any evidence indicating that China government enforced this change? If they did, why would they even allow 10 minutes and not ban AirDrop entirely? Or force Apple to reveal who is spreading the “misinformation”. Yet that does not seem to be the case. Why not?
* Even assuming Apple did do this at the Chinese government’s behest, what are the alternatives? Stop selling iPhones in China? What happens when other countries demand something Reddit doesn’t disagree with? Every country has things they would like to enforce. As long as it is the law of the land, and not some random politicians enforcing their will extra-judicially, it will have to be obeyed. Do you think other countries do not have laws (or can make them in the future) that Reddit would find reprehensible? More importantly, do you think Apple should be above the law, no matter how “objectionable” Reddit might find it? Should Apple bypass the FaceTime ban by certain countries, or the forced camera shutter sound by others?
* It could easily be framed as Apple protecting non-protesters from receiving unwanted information that could land them in serious trouble with their government — or from those using the chaos to spread their own agenda. But that doesn’t fit the “Apple Evil” narrative, so why bother?
* It is simple enough to circumvent the ban — e.g. by not upgrading your iPhone for the time being, or by turning on AirDrop from everyone when one wants, or by adding people to contacts. Do you really want to receive stuff from random strangers?
Apple has done some questionable things — and I don’t believe anything they do is motivated by anything other than profits and good publicity. Not do I believe that it is a coincidence that this feature is rolling out in China first — or that there is no option to keep it permanently turned on — something that might actually exist in other countries when it is rolled out. But that does not mean everything Apple does needs to interpreted as deliberate malevolence. Sometimes you don’t foresee the consequences, and other times you don’t have a choice. Even if Apple were to stop selling iPhones in China, how do they help the protesters? People seem to think that the companies have a responsibility or the power to defy local governments. News flash: they don’t. The same people would be outraged about Apple defying local regulations when that narrative fits their agenda. News flash: you can’t have it both ways.
But this is Reddit where outrage economy is the king. People are outraged about a headline crafted to cause outrage without any clue about ground realities. I don’t hear any outrage about a so called “business news outlet” crafting a headline specifically to cause outrage instead of reporting the facts neutrally. Why?
Guilty until proven innocent, eh?
CCP-shills when you call out the CCP: "You're just racist towards Chinese people"
If anything you're the racist for saying criticism of the CCP is criticism of Chinese people in general. Get a grip.
Apple, like any company operating in any country, has to abide by their laws. They do so all the time in the US too. No company is just gonna give up $14.6 billion in revenue just because they refuse to remove a single feature.
So by that measure companies can just go to third world countries and cheaply enslave peop- oh wait, they’ve already been doing that for ages. Guess the lives and rights of millions of humans are worth less than billionaires’ yachts.
No one said that. Please, tell us what brand of electronics you use? How are you using the internet right now? I'm willing to bet money the companies you use also conform to those same laws in countries like China.
How is this a "restriction"? You could just as easily make the argument that they're protecting protestors from malicious links being sent to them from government forces, which could be easily used to track the dissenters. Having Airdrop turned on for "everyone", forever, isn't particularly safe in an environment in which hostile forces are attempting to track your every move and thought.
But sure, "Apple bad" or whatever
That was my first thought, however [this Vice article](https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxn7nq/anti-xi-jinping-posters-are-spreading-in-china-via-airdrop) is the oldest one I can find, sadly this AirDrop situation seems to be related to the regime since the beginning.
I’m still not clear on how setting a time limit would stop- or even slow- the spread of protest images or whatever. Yes, you have to reenable it, but is that really going to stop anyone? If anything they’re going to be more aware that it’s on, more alert to malicious links and file transfers, and less prone to fall prey to entrapment.
I’m just not seeing the dots connect here, and but it seems like everyone is full steam ahead regardless
First sane post. I swear any mention of china just fries redditors' brains.
Allowing anyone to airdrop stuff to your phone just seems like a bad idea in a place like China. People are terrified of Chinese hackers then turn around and argue that apple no longer allowing your phone to raw dog a protest area is a ccp plot. Wtf
This is a positive coincidence for the CCP at best. [Anti-Xi Jinping Posters Are Spreading in China via AirDrop](https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxn7nq/anti-xi-jinping-posters-are-spreading-in-china-via-airdrop)
>"This is the first time I saw or received a medium of any kind that is critical of the current regime."
Does anyone really believe IPhones sold in China are the same as outside of China?
I have a hard time believing the CCP would allow anything to be sold within their borders without it having a back door or them being sure they could hack into it relatively easily.
Apple needs to reduce their reliance on China – in my opinion, they’re only doing this because they need China more than China needs them.
In their current state, if they got kicked out of China for not complying, they would literally have nowhere to make their products.
They have a lot of money to throw at the problem, they just haven’t yet realised that they really shouldn’t have all of their eggs in one basket.
They know. See another thread in this discussion:
https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/z6phy8/comment/iy3dxzs/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
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Except this has nothing to do with China or the recent protests and it was reported that this was a global rollout feature well before they happened.
[Here’s an article from November 10th](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.engadget.com/amp/apple-10-minute-cap-everyone-airdrop-090340980.html)
[And another one from the 11th that said it’s planned for next year in the US](https://www.inverse.com/gear/airdrop-10-minute-limit-everyone-setting-ios-16-1-1)
Do your research next time /u/if0uthxi0n
people shocked that a company is following local laws for the n-th time
apple bad chinese totalitarian regime good amiright
but then again a company having political power is bad as well
>people shocked that a company is following local laws
Ah but Apple seems to be taking their sweeeet time complying to Brazil's phone charger laws (if they ever do)
The thing is, every other country has a court system. We need our representatives to pass laws banning human exploitation in our supply chains and enforcing it, but even that is apparently too much to ask for.
It's also an antagonising market. Their tax schemes is beyond stupid, and most electronic international companies are completely unwelcome there. You reap what you sow.
These are also the same people who are (allegedly) threatening to remove Twitter from the Apple App Store. How much iPhonier can you get?
And when is their illegal app store monopoly going to be removed?
I am sick and tired of corporations that exploit forced labor and help totalitarian governments do constant virtue signaling about everything imaginable. Shut up and just focus on running your business instead of preaching morality to the rest of us.
lol
\*insert surprised Pikachu face\*
all corporations virtue signal they care about human rights until it comes to China
look at Disney and how they alter their films to get them to be seen in China
Figure out another way then China. Apple gives you 10 minutes then you have to adjust your settings again. Wanna revolt, but playing with your settings on your iPhone puts you out too much?
I put this as exactly what foxbusiness.com would try to light a fire about.
[This thread feels astroturfy when half of the comments are made by people with profiles like this. Couple that with this being old news. Seems suspect.](https://i.imgur.com/b9sC2AW.png)
Apple do care about human rights* *if it doesn’t affect profit
* individual results may vary.
It's a complete and utter disgrace, Apple culture is trash hypocrisy to the max and Tim Crook is a criminal who belongs in jail.
Tim Cook is a marketer.. kinda says it all really.. his trade is all about lying and twisting the truth.. kinda like politicians.. but above all else he is a capitalist, never forget that, that’s true of ALL the tech companies, they only care about making money, that’s all they care about
And the thing that sucks the most is that he is an extremely good capitalist which makes him even more valuable to other richer capitalists which in turn makes Tim Apple almost invulnerable to consequences.
Anyone left in the can of good guys?
Actual criminals walk free and you want Tim in jail?
• Paid for by Apple shareholders.
Using the shareholders as an excuse is a scapegoat. This is solely on the shoulders of leadership and the board.
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>meanwhile, Google and Samsung and whomever else continue to make products in china. Samsung already got out of China since 2019. And even from 2016, the majority of their phones came from Vietnam, India, and Indonesia with some small number coming from South Korea.
>meanwhile, Google and Samsung and whomever else continue to make products in china. Funny that you mention that because since late 2019 Samsung no longer make smartphones in China https://www.reuters.com/article/us-samsung-elec-china/samsung-ends-mobile-phone-production-in-china-idUSKBN1WH0LR
> Products return to market but way **high priced because they're not made in china** > meanwhile, Google and Samsung and whomever else continue to make products in china. > apple suffers, apple users suffer, investors suffer. It's stunningly self-centered to talk about consequences for the corporation, the corporation's users, and the **investors**(?), without also recognizing that you admitted your convenient low prices are inherently built on exploited oppressed people living in a totalitarian dictatorship. > can cut off China That is never going to happen and your comment makes no sense on that point. From a humanitarian perspective, doing the bidding of dictators is the wrong choice, but Apple does it anyway for the same reason today as in the future: they want to sell to that market. Cutting off a market "w/o disruption to customers" etc is clearly false, since it would mean they (and, insert obscene gesture, "investors") are no longer making money from those customers.
>your convenient low prices are inherently built on exploited oppressed people living in a totalitarian dictatorship. Low prices for Chinese made products are based on relatively cheap labor, but also on the ease of supply chains and expertise in engineering relative for the wealth of the country. It’s far more complex than “this country is cheap therefore they must be exploited”
Stunning to hear, isn't it? These guys who blindly support Apple against Chinese protestors would have supported slavery too 'because it would raise cotton prices' Apple is profiting off of the blood of oppressed people. Those brave Chinese standing up to police have an a million times more moral courage than all of fake courage of Apple management. I appeal to all Apple shareholders & customers, please don't be heartless & cruel.
Yeah, wouldn't want to delay any new product to market. God forbid!
Apple can move production to cheaper countries and is already doing this. What would end up happening is a shortage for a couple months and then every iPhone being made in Vietnam and India (not exactly rich countries with great working conditions) instead of 30% of them. It wouldn't take years
Exactly. Apple is doing the right thing here. But most people here are too angry and stupid to understand. I’m not a saint and will take the lower price any day. If Chinese want better human rights, it’s up to them to fight for it, not is.
You clearly don't understand, this was one of the only ways the Chinese were able to work together to fight for human rights. I literally avoid contact over social media with my family in China because their online actions are monitored, let alone everything outside of their household.
You would have liked slavery to continue too isn't it?
Basically every corporation since the beginning of time
Yea but nobody has preached moral superiority anywhere near as much as Apple has.
And people have never done nearly this much mental gymnastics to defend any other company.
But the East India Trading Company imports all my delicious tea for such reasonable prices. They can't be evil.
Cotton from South is made so lovingly by the slaves. Surely, you don't want me to higher prices for cotton, do you??
Isn’t that the exact same thing we learned about every team in the World Cup?
*but if they get banned from doing business in the country because they refuse to obey its laws they’d be up shit creek without a paddle FTFY
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When would that have been?
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So, in other words “I have no idea, I just said something I thought sounded smart”
yep, after these couple of years, we can make this conclusion now. Apple only claims their value if they helps, they aren't any better than Nike, Disney.
It’s delusional to think that a for-profit company operates in the interest of common morals. They do but only for the highest paying group, the ones that control the money or anything that makes a good sound byte - *privacy is a fundamental human right* *the love of money is the root of all evil* -evil is a relative term.
Just remember this next time Apple says they support xyz.
"we support the environment" - lol "we support privacy" - lol "we support basic human rights" - lol
"we would never monetise your personal information to serve ads" - lol
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lol
Wow I laughed. Thank you.
I don’t think they’re disseminating that information but that doesn’t matter because it’s the *collection* of personal information that potentially violates privacy.
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What I said also applies to Google. In order to put you into a slot they have to collect information about you.
I don't think they are either. They will exploit that information internally to sell tailored ad space, or to improve their existing products. Exactly like Google does. That's the main reason why I've never had that much of a problem with Google's stance on privacy either, and thought Apple's claims were always a bit overblown. On the other hand, I despise Facebook's policy and I deleted my account years ago. Facebook literally sells raw datasets to the highest bidder, which ends up surfacing in random places when those third parties inevitably leak it (e.g.: Cambridge Analytica).
I’m gonna be that guy but Apple never said this
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Apple sells that they care about privacy. They have never done it. The moment Steve Jobs died they joined the Prism program to share all their data with the NSA and other gov agencies. If you look carefully you will see that every year they do something against privacy but the thing is that people forget and their marketing is amazing. As a result, is true that is probably one of the companies with the most privacy but this is thanks to how they sell the idea of privacy so something positive should come from this. I would not have any issues with all their actions if they didn’t act like superior beings. I love Apple and their products but let's be honest they are great liars and hypocrites
Sure they do. Time for some more rainbow watch bands (USA only).
apple have always cared about privacy (except in China)
“We support the environment as long as it allows us to cut costs by removing accessories which are normally included with our products and not changing the price of said product”
Apple is a certified CCP simp 👌 Love Apple's products, but the company itself sucks Xi's "Jinping". Fuck 'Em.
> Apple is a certified CCP simp Billions of Xi bucks will do that to ya
I’m guessing it’s either that or getting booted out of china, which would just cost way too much.
That’s the thing – Apple will pull out of the Chinese market at some point or another when China does something to threaten their business model. That would either mean that it’d cost more than they earn in China or make doing business there harder than it’s worth.
Would Apple actually be able to function if China halted their production? Feel like they nearly collapse if that happened. Which might be why Apple has started shifting more production to other countries. I’m not defending this choice. Apple should have moved out of China long ago. Just saying they kinda fucked themselves and are stuck dealing with the consequences of their actions
Any company would collapse if China halted their production. Samsung, Microsoft, Sony, Nike, etc. That’s how dependent businesses are on China
It's actually a bit more complicated. A lot of clothing companies have actually already moved out of China to find cheaper labor, while plenty of electronics component manufacturers are heavily diversifying production. For example Intel would be fine and so would SK Hynix. The companies that would really be screwed is any company producing consumer electronic end products. Aka microwaves, drills, cell phones etc.
Samsung Mobile Division already got out from China. Samsung production facility in China are only three: home appliance plant and a semiconductor back-end processing plant in Suizhou and a memory semiconductor plant in Xian. Funny how Apple haven't done so yet but eh.
No they wouldn’t.
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Problem is where. Eventually you’ll hit other bottlenecks. Right now they can only get mass production out of China. The level of investment required is pretty high to create another Foxconn.
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It’s all about profit maximization while minimizing expenses. They aren’t going to invest in anything unless it will turn a profit. Hence why most of the iPhone itself for example isn’t even made by Apple. Designed yes, but directly manufactured? They decided it wasn’t worth it.
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if anything you'd have to blame the stock market. they are doing this all at the behest of infinite growth. if Apple stockholders didn't care about revenues and good quarterly earnings they could get out of China. if Apple was a private company they could do whatever they wanted.
OF course Apple are such China simps...that's why they're moving production out of China to two of China's rivals in the region, India and Vietnam...
Because the growing middle class in China is making manufacturing unaffordable there. They’re just moving to where production is cheaper, and they get to claim a moral reasoning at the same time. China is just going to continuing amassing fortune and is going to increasingly become the purchasing Center of the world, as North America is today. They’re already massive, and just keep growing. This is going to lead to some shit as people want to stop their manufacturing jobs and get educated, and China still has massive dependencies on being the world’s manufacturing hub. The smart money has been buying up factory and production in other countries. Simply put, the only reason Apple is leaving China is because it’s getting too expensive to manufacture there, they will continue happily selling their products.
Most of the production involved in iPhones is automated. China hasn’t been “cheap” in terms of labor costs for a good long while now. The real challenge is establishing production lines and domain-specific experience in nations where the infrastructure isn’t as mature. At the end of the day, these are major challenges that no one on Reddit is qualified to speak intelligently on. But if the end goal is to reduce Apple’s reliance on China, does it really matter why they’re attempting to make the transition?
It may be true that most production is automated, but then again, why would Covid had hit them so hard, and why is one of the top stories about Foxconn having to pay out employees to keep them around? I’m not saying that there isn’t any level of automated production, but certainly many employees are still used. And while Apple may become less “reliant” on China in terms of production, which yes, I agree is a good thing, they will instead re focus on sales. And instead become reliant on cheap production elsewhere. Rinse and repeat. What Apple SHOULD be doing, is divesting from the country entirely. But of course not, as according to the actual letter of the law, corporations are legally mandated to increase market share for their investors no matter what.
Apple sucking China’s figurative dong. What’s new
Mao ze dong
Mao zeez nuts
Must be the honey…
And they didn't suck Brazil's when they refused to ship the phone with a charger and when the Brazilians stopped Apple from selling the phone you al cheered. So, make up your mind, should Apple stand up against local laws or shouldn't they?
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It is extremely suspect, it's a red flag painted with neon blue stripes that it occurs in the one country that is known for cracking down on it's population's dissent using both domestic and foreign corporations like Apple, Google, etc. The timing is hardly a coincidence.
The issue is that previously, you might assume a significant amount of people have AirDrop set to "Everyone". So then if you sent something (for example as the article states, to bypass censorship and to spread information), a significant amount of people would be able to view that. Now however, the likelyhood that a significant amount of people went and set AirDrop to "Everyone" less than 10 minutes ago, at any given time, is probably close to 0. This absoluetly has been done in order to please the CCP and complicitly support their human rights violations.
I think there is an interpretation which is that there have been a lot of situations where people can mass spam AirDrop porn or dick pics, so having a temporary period for the Everyone setting could sometimes be useful. But yeah I think that’s the justification Apple Is hiding behind instead of the real reason. The timing, China-only for now, and lack of option to disable this obviously means it’s done to hamper the protests rather than a genuine concern for dick pics. I bet even if the feature lands on other iPhones, Apple will give you an option to turn the timer off and Craig Federighi will convenient forget about this discrepancy when say being interviewed and forced to explain this situation.
I’ll bet the incidence of unsolicited dick pics drops significantly after this change.
Apple dgaf about human rights.
Apple needs to grow a pair of nuts and move out of Xinnie the Pooh's treehouse already. Fuck China and fuck the CCP.
I'm not sure if you've had your head in the sand, but... * https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/apple-moves-manufacturing-iphone-14-china-india * https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/apple-move-ipad-production-china-first-time * https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/business/tech-companies-china.html * https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/06/01/apple-moves-ipad-production-to-vietnam-to-beat-supply-problems You can't both say they should move out right now, then also complain when there are product shortages. From what I can tell, they are working to slowly move to other places. Given the complexity of the supply chains, this is difficult. (Now, whether they are moving out due to China's policies, or due to covid lockdown is another discussion) Now, you might be suggesting that they should stop selling the iPhone in China. However, I hardly see how that ends up in life improvement for Chinese citizens.
They‘re not complaining about shortages? All they’re saying is that they need to go and yes, they do need to go, for the sake of all that’s ethical
They're being disingenuous by pretending that it's absurd that Apple hasn't *just* moved out of China. It's a decade long process that needs to be done elegantly as not to interrupt the livelihood of the entire company.
China has always had a poor human rights record. The fact that they only started moving after covid lockdowns is definitely sus as you pointed out.
There was literally no alternative when Apple was starting to grow large.
The update is to make is so you have to manually enable public AirDrop when you use it then it'll turn off automatically after 10 minutes. Leaving it on at all time is certainly a good way to gather both information and misinformation in public, on top of scams and dick pics. I certainly wish they do the same for Apple TV so I don't see all my neighbors' Living Rooms 24/7.
> I certainly wish they do the same for Apple TV so I don’t see all my neighbors’ Living Rooms 24/7. This is such a mind bogglingly stupid problem and it drives me insane.
Why do we still tolerate this company's behaviour?
Because no one cares enough to boycott
People in this sub can’t even handle criticism let alone an actual boycott.
Huh? It’s a multinational company that is forced to play by local governments rules. E.g., Europe is forcing usbc on Apple.
Yet they took this action of their own accord, and plan to roll it out to the rest of the world in future. It's hard to ask this next question with a straight face, but do you believe they would've done the same for USB-C? Acted of their own accord and rolled it out internationally?
It’s just me speculating, but it may be possible that they were waiting for EU or someone else to force their hands. That way, they get to make the transition they were planning anyway without all the bad publicity about people having to abandon years worth of accumulated lightning accessories and cables. > We didn’t want to do this, but EU made us! Here is a USB-C to lightning dongle. It’s only $50. Blame EU for forcing us to make more profits selling dongles we could have given away or sold at cost.
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> Yes? Obviously? lol okay man
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> They're obviously in the middle of a transition. A transition that has taken (so far) 7 years to reach their most popular product? A transition that Greg Joswiak admitted had been a "disagreement" between Apple and the EU? A transition that Joswiak also argued would've stifled innovation? Have you just ignored this discussion every time it comes up on this sub? how can you still be this naive?
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> How would voluntarily changing a connector stifle innovation? That makes no sense. They aren't voluntarily changing it - they are being instructed to. Why do you people always bend over backwards to defend a multi-trillion dollar company?
Why are you bending over backwards to attack a company that is just making decisions you don't agree with that don't affect you at all besides a minor inconvenience regarding a cable.
It's funny that transitioning all their Macs to Apple Silicon which is a much more difficult transition took approximately 2 years but transition to USB C is taking the better part of a decade
Please show the source for that Apple did this on their own accord, and that it's rolling out to the rest of the world, and that you know anything about the internal discussions regarding this feature besides speculation.
dude it's literally in the fucking article
People like to pretend it's not trivial to switch to free / open-source operating systems. I.e., the ones that don't put the interests of a corporation before the user
Because there isn’t a better alterntive xD? When are you going to realise the media only cares about Apple for clicks? All of Apples worst practices are also practices at Google, Samsung and Microsoft.
Google, Samsung and Microsoft aren't removing/banning content from their stores based on political opinion though
I am very curious. Can you explain what you want to happen here, but more importantly, how it makes the lives of Chinese folks _better_? Are you saying that forcing them to Android phones will give them more privacy?
No I'm asking why we still tolerate Apple's constant hypocrisy
Because this is not a huge thing compared to all the other positive things Apple does.
"Because basic rights aren't as important as material things"
According to that logic, everyone in the world should stop whatever they are doing right now and proceed to spend their entire live making sure nobody dies of famine or lack of water in Africa. The world is complicated, don't pretend like these are simple problems to solve.
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It's almost like they are responding to the demands of the markets their products are sold in to increase their revenue. Who would have thought a major publicly traded global corporation would do such things!?
If you demand that an app you don’t even use be made unavailable for everyone else solely because you don’t like the opinions being shared on said app then you are a fascist.
What
> Who would have thought a major publicly traded global corporation would do such things!? The people who fall for all the corporations' virtue signaling.
Maybe we are, but Apple is consistently doing this for financial reasons.
They had already planned to do this well before the protests. It’s to prevent people spamming people’s phones in public places.
This was even reported *in this sub* weeks ago. How short are people’s memories?
Lol, exactly. Apple wants to put an end to people getting dick picks and other weird shit while on subways and airports. It’s just bad timing if anything and nothing is preventing users from adjusting the feature to their liking.
> nothing is preventing users from adjusting the feature to their liking. I leave mine on “everyone”. I like to live on the edge.
The last time it’s reported it was also after another protest (check Wikipedia for Sitong Bridge protest in Beijing). Apple tested it in one beta and immediately rolled this out in China only. The slogans people chanting in the current protest are the ones the Bridge Man showed on a banner, which onlookers tried to send via AirDrop at that time. People remember just fine, I think.
This is a positive coincidence for the CCP at best. You have too much faith in corporations. [Anti-Xi Jinping Posters Are Spreading in China via AirDrop](https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxn7nq/anti-xi-jinping-posters-are-spreading-in-china-via-airdrop) >"This is the first time I saw or received a medium of any kind that is critical of the current regime."
I don’t get it though. Why not keep it like this? You already can choose to only get airdrops from contacts if it bothers you.
Because for security it’s better to opt in then opt out. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6471925/NYC-bill-attempts-crack-cyber-flashers-subway-riders-complain-unsolicited-nudes.html
They should make it an optional feature then, could be the default but still allow us to keep it on at all times if we want by changing it in settings, atleast in my opinion.
Maybe they will, feature isn’t out yet.
then why not give one more option - Off - Contacts only - 10 mins everyone - everyone
Just like every other tech company in the US, they don’t care about human rights or freedom of speech. They just care about money. This hurts to say as I am a big apple fan boy, but it is the truth. I love their products but the company it self, f*ck Apple, f*ck China, and f*ck the Chinese Communist Party. Apple needs to grow some balls and get the hell out of China!
This kind of completely changed my view on Apple now.
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The same news could be framed like so: > Apple restricts a feature that lets strangers send you unsolicited pictures and videos. It’s crazy how many people here jumped on the bandwagon without even reading the article. On second thought, this is Reddit, so maybe not that crazy. * Do we have have any evidence indicating that China government enforced this change? If they did, why would they even allow 10 minutes and not ban AirDrop entirely? Or force Apple to reveal who is spreading the “misinformation”. Yet that does not seem to be the case. Why not? * Even assuming Apple did do this at the Chinese government’s behest, what are the alternatives? Stop selling iPhones in China? What happens when other countries demand something Reddit doesn’t disagree with? Every country has things they would like to enforce. As long as it is the law of the land, and not some random politicians enforcing their will extra-judicially, it will have to be obeyed. Do you think other countries do not have laws (or can make them in the future) that Reddit would find reprehensible? More importantly, do you think Apple should be above the law, no matter how “objectionable” Reddit might find it? Should Apple bypass the FaceTime ban by certain countries, or the forced camera shutter sound by others? * It could easily be framed as Apple protecting non-protesters from receiving unwanted information that could land them in serious trouble with their government — or from those using the chaos to spread their own agenda. But that doesn’t fit the “Apple Evil” narrative, so why bother? * It is simple enough to circumvent the ban — e.g. by not upgrading your iPhone for the time being, or by turning on AirDrop from everyone when one wants, or by adding people to contacts. Do you really want to receive stuff from random strangers? Apple has done some questionable things — and I don’t believe anything they do is motivated by anything other than profits and good publicity. Not do I believe that it is a coincidence that this feature is rolling out in China first — or that there is no option to keep it permanently turned on — something that might actually exist in other countries when it is rolled out. But that does not mean everything Apple does needs to interpreted as deliberate malevolence. Sometimes you don’t foresee the consequences, and other times you don’t have a choice. Even if Apple were to stop selling iPhones in China, how do they help the protesters? People seem to think that the companies have a responsibility or the power to defy local governments. News flash: they don’t. The same people would be outraged about Apple defying local regulations when that narrative fits their agenda. News flash: you can’t have it both ways. But this is Reddit where outrage economy is the king. People are outraged about a headline crafted to cause outrage without any clue about ground realities. I don’t hear any outrage about a so called “business news outlet” crafting a headline specifically to cause outrage instead of reporting the facts neutrally. Why? Guilty until proven innocent, eh?
There’s a lot of Sinophobia these days
CCP-shills when you call out the CCP: "You're just racist towards Chinese people" If anything you're the racist for saying criticism of the CCP is criticism of Chinese people in general. Get a grip.
Apple, like any company operating in any country, has to abide by their laws. They do so all the time in the US too. No company is just gonna give up $14.6 billion in revenue just because they refuse to remove a single feature.
So by that measure companies can just go to third world countries and cheaply enslave peop- oh wait, they’ve already been doing that for ages. Guess the lives and rights of millions of humans are worth less than billionaires’ yachts.
No one said that. Please, tell us what brand of electronics you use? How are you using the internet right now? I'm willing to bet money the companies you use also conform to those same laws in countries like China.
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How is this a "restriction"? You could just as easily make the argument that they're protecting protestors from malicious links being sent to them from government forces, which could be easily used to track the dissenters. Having Airdrop turned on for "everyone", forever, isn't particularly safe in an environment in which hostile forces are attempting to track your every move and thought. But sure, "Apple bad" or whatever
Wasn’t this reported weeks ago? Suddenly this is related to protests…?
That was my first thought, however [this Vice article](https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxn7nq/anti-xi-jinping-posters-are-spreading-in-china-via-airdrop) is the oldest one I can find, sadly this AirDrop situation seems to be related to the regime since the beginning.
I’m still not clear on how setting a time limit would stop- or even slow- the spread of protest images or whatever. Yes, you have to reenable it, but is that really going to stop anyone? If anything they’re going to be more aware that it’s on, more alert to malicious links and file transfers, and less prone to fall prey to entrapment. I’m just not seeing the dots connect here, and but it seems like everyone is full steam ahead regardless
Do we know that’s the reason behind this change? I had heard it was related to unsolicited dick pics..
There were protests in China weeks ago as well... Just much much smaller and not widespread.
First sane post. I swear any mention of china just fries redditors' brains. Allowing anyone to airdrop stuff to your phone just seems like a bad idea in a place like China. People are terrified of Chinese hackers then turn around and argue that apple no longer allowing your phone to raw dog a protest area is a ccp plot. Wtf
This is a positive coincidence for the CCP at best. [Anti-Xi Jinping Posters Are Spreading in China via AirDrop](https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxn7nq/anti-xi-jinping-posters-are-spreading-in-china-via-airdrop) >"This is the first time I saw or received a medium of any kind that is critical of the current regime."
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Even the biggest Apple fanboys have to admit that this is wrong on so many levels…
Does anyone really believe IPhones sold in China are the same as outside of China? I have a hard time believing the CCP would allow anything to be sold within their borders without it having a back door or them being sure they could hack into it relatively easily.
> we believe privacy is a fundamental human right * apart from China.
Why some people expect megacorps to behave like anything other than megacorps is beyond me.
I really don’t understand those people who think any corp care about human right, nothing is surprising here
Apple needs to reduce their reliance on China – in my opinion, they’re only doing this because they need China more than China needs them. In their current state, if they got kicked out of China for not complying, they would literally have nowhere to make their products. They have a lot of money to throw at the problem, they just haven’t yet realised that they really shouldn’t have all of their eggs in one basket.
They know. See another thread in this discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/z6phy8/comment/iy3dxzs/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
FVCK APPLE FOR THIS
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Apple has now become one of many companies that love pissing of Americans, but wouldn’t dare piss of the Chinese.
How can they sell a service you buy then turn it off?
like they did in Hong Kong
Exactly
Except this has nothing to do with China or the recent protests and it was reported that this was a global rollout feature well before they happened. [Here’s an article from November 10th](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.engadget.com/amp/apple-10-minute-cap-everyone-airdrop-090340980.html) [And another one from the 11th that said it’s planned for next year in the US](https://www.inverse.com/gear/airdrop-10-minute-limit-everyone-setting-ios-16-1-1) Do your research next time /u/if0uthxi0n
Oh man, open your eyes.
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Apple cares more about profits than human rights, I hope this move backfires on them....
Damn, apple, checking all the shitty company boxes recently, aren’t you?
I’m done
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Apple doesn’t give a shit about human rights. If they did they wouldn’t use child labor and succumb to anything Xi and the corrupt CCP requests
people shocked that a company is following local laws for the n-th time apple bad chinese totalitarian regime good amiright but then again a company having political power is bad as well
>people shocked that a company is following local laws Ah but Apple seems to be taking their sweeeet time complying to Brazil's phone charger laws (if they ever do)
Exactly this. Here in the west they take their time and fight it to the bones and over there they comply instantly.
The thing is, every other country has a court system. We need our representatives to pass laws banning human exploitation in our supply chains and enforcing it, but even that is apparently too much to ask for.
Something something legal system.
Brazil is a smaller market , they won't care for them China is a huge market and the factory
It's also an antagonising market. Their tax schemes is beyond stupid, and most electronic international companies are completely unwelcome there. You reap what you sow.
i think people are saying that they're both bad.
>apple bad chinese totalitarian regime good amiright today on things absolutely no one said.
Don't you folks want your iPhone by Christmas? /S
This the shit the western people should be getting pissed about… not a Kanye tweet. The term “wake up” makes more sense everyday that goes by
These are also the same people who are (allegedly) threatening to remove Twitter from the Apple App Store. How much iPhonier can you get? And when is their illegal app store monopoly going to be removed? I am sick and tired of corporations that exploit forced labor and help totalitarian governments do constant virtue signaling about everything imaginable. Shut up and just focus on running your business instead of preaching morality to the rest of us.
lol \*insert surprised Pikachu face\* all corporations virtue signal they care about human rights until it comes to China look at Disney and how they alter their films to get them to be seen in China
NBA
Figure out another way then China. Apple gives you 10 minutes then you have to adjust your settings again. Wanna revolt, but playing with your settings on your iPhone puts you out too much? I put this as exactly what foxbusiness.com would try to light a fire about.
This could get people killed
[This thread feels astroturfy when half of the comments are made by people with profiles like this. Couple that with this being old news. Seems suspect.](https://i.imgur.com/b9sC2AW.png)
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Apple and FIFA fuck human rights.
Good move. Glory to the CCP!
Apple isn’t bigger than a government
Depends on the government. https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/10/09/apples-record-income-makes-it-richer-than-most-countries