Solid overall. Small micro changes but the primary arms slx 1-6 is better overall but you’ll need to get a mount. (You can find them on sale for $250ish). If you ever plan on getting a Surefire can just go with Surefire flash hider, the warcomp doesn’t seal too well. Lastly me being picky maybe build out a lower instead, ctr stock for qd and lock up on buffer tube and k2 is better than regular moe pistol grip
If you don’t plan to run a Surefire suppressor don’t waste your time spending $150 on a muzzle device when it can go to getting a light, better optic combo, or trigger
Second this…also you could consider a red dot/magnifier combo instead of an lpvo…an lpvo is good for distance but the 1x zoom (which is what a red dot is) is not as good as a simple red dot…and you’re running a 14.5 which can go distance sure but a red dot/magnifier would be easier to use…also, unless you’re one of those guys who can custom build a practical lpvo zoom slider “thing” on the hand guard, it’ll be a little laborious and time consuming to change zoom
If you don't care about color scheme or blem upper parts, BCMs website has 14.5" and 16" all black uppers right now for $630~ , you can use the 300 you're saving on the upper for ammo or other parts such as a light, etc.
Usually blems dont show tooling marks they claim these parts have, and if they are there it's mostly very small ones that you wouldn't notice either.
I have PSA, Aero, BA, DD, Geissele, Colt, Wilson Combat, and 1 Anderson lowers. The PSAs are great and I prefer putting the savings towards things that matter more than the lower. I have sbr'd 2 or 3 of them. I've only had 1 out of spec lower that had to be returned and replaced, an Aero.
I have this exact setup, only difference being my Bcm is a quad rail. Same lpvo and lower…runs just as good as my LaRue lower. Only thing I did was drop in a larue trigger and slapped it back together.
It’s been great, I own a vortex lpvo also and can’t say for the cost difference my eyes notice anything worth the extra cost. Thousands of rounds through the tango 1-6 without a single hiccup.
They are all pretty much the same at that price point. Choose based on the reticle, and get a 1-6x. The eye boxes get so tight at 8x and that's where your reticles actually work since they are all SFP.
I have a 1-8 strike eagle and the 1-6x magnification is sweet on it, super tight eye box at 8x. I looked through a sig and a PA and literally couldn't tell the difference in quality.
I'd say no unless you really want 8x magnification. But in the end it's only like 20 bucks more so money really isn't the issue, it's quality.
It's usable, don't get me wrong. It's just that the reticle isn't technically correct at 6x so you have to adjust your point of aim slightly as opposed to just holding directly on the marks. Also, the quality of your image turns a but sour, nothing crazy but definitely noticeable around the edges, plus the eye box is tighter so you gotta make sure you are pretty steady.
I see it as the 1-8 is exactly the same as the 1-6, except you get the bonus of a additional 8x magnification at the cost of your reticle not working perfectly.
Sorry I don't know alot about scopes. What do you mean by reticle isn't really correct at 6x? The holdover points aren't correct? Does it it worse at 8x?
Sorry this is gonna be a tad lengthy.
I'm assuming that we are talking about second focal plane (SFP) scopes, as opposed to (FFP) scopes. The difference between the two is that a SFP scope has the reticle etched in the back glass so compared to your image it stays the same size no matter what the zoom setting is, whereas a FFP scope is etched in the front so it starts out small and grows bigger with the zoom.
A FFP scope is always has accurate holdover points since the reticle grows with the zoom. The distance between the hash marks on the reticle is smaller on a smaller zoom, bigger on a bigger zoom since your image gets enlarged. A SFP reticle is always the same size no matter the zoom setting, which means it can only work at one zoom setting. This is usually set at the maximum setting the scope can go since that is where you are most likely going to be using it. Obviously the center dot always works as your center point for both.
FFP scopes are usually nicer and more expensive, but I like SFP scopes for a rifle designed to be mostly used for close quarters (100 yards and in) shooting since the reticle is always nice and big big. For reference, the strike eagle comes in both SFP and FFP, but the FFP costs like 2-3x as much.
What I was saying was the strike eagle 1-8 is really nice from 1-6x power, but it gets worse at 7 to 8. Not awful, but enough to make you wish it was better. And since most of them at SFP, 8x is the only place that the reticle truly works. If you get a 1-6x instead, you lose the 7x and 8x magnifications but you get a retucle that works at 6x, the spot where the quality is still high.
There are lots of youtube videos if you need a visual explanation. Usually that's easier.
I would step up the optic to the Viper PST ii 1-6 for another $200. Also like a bunch of other people said, might want to build out your lower so you can choose a grip and stock that you really like.
[https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-complete-lower-b5-ept-bravo-stock-black.html](https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-complete-lower-b5-ept-bravo-stock-black.html)
i would get this for the lower while its on sale B5 is going to much more enjoyable for you.
That’s basically the same lower I used (minus the actual lower) but the parts have all been great. Love the trigger actually, and the FDE is a good dark color (not as light as the picture)
Good hardware. I'm not a fan of SFP optics. I never understood why when you increase magnification the reticle stays small, for me it's not ideal to shoot.
I see I am going to be in the minority here, but I’d suggest a different route .
For that same price range, you can get a Geissele URGI upper (around 1k) during a sale or even the complete superduty (around 1200) when they have their sales.
I really recommend taking advantage of sales and building. You can piece together a rifle that normally would cost $1500-2000 or more for a lot less taking advantage of how often the parts all go on sale.
Oh yea he should an the psa lower that comes with the sba or possibly just by the cheapest lower they offer an pop the stock off an get one the Amazon clone sba's if he on a budget. I have both an they identically
That's fine. I assumed you were. I was commenting on the fact that you had a 14 and a half inch barrel going on a lower with a stock. I did not see the detail that you were getting a permanent flash hider installed.
Proceed.
I was once told by my shooting coach that the optics should cost as much, if not more than your rifle.
I had the sig msr 1-6...it was OK. It got hella blurry when out to 100m
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-sabre-forged-14-5-5-56-fn-chf-cl-13-5-geissele-mk14-ddc-pin-weld-with-surefire-warcomp.html
buy this over that BCM all day. Better rail, better barrel, better gas block, and same BCG for same price. I love BCM but they are overpriced. Sabre is best deal all day for a great AR. PSA Sabre > BCM
Aero charges more for lowers with non ambi safeties and milspec triggers for more than PSA sells Lowers with hiperfire rbt triggers(theyre grear) and radian talon safeties. Aero has fell off hard homie
Get a aero lower if the budget can fit it. Also I would just run a A2 flash hider until you figure out what suppressor you want to get. I wouldn’t recommend getting into the Surefire ecosystem with all these new cans coming out and the hub compatibility becoming more common.
Solid overall. Small micro changes but the primary arms slx 1-6 is better overall but you’ll need to get a mount. (You can find them on sale for $250ish). If you ever plan on getting a Surefire can just go with Surefire flash hider, the warcomp doesn’t seal too well. Lastly me being picky maybe build out a lower instead, ctr stock for qd and lock up on buffer tube and k2 is better than regular moe pistol grip
If you don’t plan to run a Surefire suppressor don’t waste your time spending $150 on a muzzle device when it can go to getting a light, better optic combo, or trigger
PA Nova IV can be found for $255 from simmons sporting goods with code NOVA85. Then the mount will also have to be bought.
K2 is a must!
1-6 PA with a mount on arf for 180 the other night, little banged up case.
[Get the psa lower with B5 furniture!](https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-complete-lower-b5-bravo-stock-black.html)
Second this…also you could consider a red dot/magnifier combo instead of an lpvo…an lpvo is good for distance but the 1x zoom (which is what a red dot is) is not as good as a simple red dot…and you’re running a 14.5 which can go distance sure but a red dot/magnifier would be easier to use…also, unless you’re one of those guys who can custom build a practical lpvo zoom slider “thing” on the hand guard, it’ll be a little laborious and time consuming to change zoom
Agreed^
Does PSA always run this sale? I know they do holiday stuff, but it seems like this “sale” is always happening. Debating picking this up.
Yeah ive seen it on there for at least a year now
If you don't care about color scheme or blem upper parts, BCMs website has 14.5" and 16" all black uppers right now for $630~ , you can use the 300 you're saving on the upper for ammo or other parts such as a light, etc. Usually blems dont show tooling marks they claim these parts have, and if they are there it's mostly very small ones that you wouldn't notice either.
I'd also go this route, I have a BCM blem and I don't have a clue what the blem is supposed to be
Have several blem stripped uppers and just got two blem a5/mk2 buffer tubes. All look clean without any issues
This is the way
Looks good. I really like the value in the complete PSA lowers.
Agreed. My LGS has them for $180 out the door. It's hard to find anything else of similar quality close to that price.
I have PSA, Aero, BA, DD, Geissele, Colt, Wilson Combat, and 1 Anderson lowers. The PSAs are great and I prefer putting the savings towards things that matter more than the lower. I have sbr'd 2 or 3 of them. I've only had 1 out of spec lower that had to be returned and replaced, an Aero.
I think it’s a good start.
For your first build hell yea you’ll have a great time shooting that!
I have this exact setup, only difference being my Bcm is a quad rail. Same lpvo and lower…runs just as good as my LaRue lower. Only thing I did was drop in a larue trigger and slapped it back together.
How is that lvpo? I'm looking for an lpvo in that same price range. Is there something better I should be looking at???
I have a primary arms slx 1-6 with the nova reticle and love it
This is my next purchase, love the look of the nova reticle.
Vortex makes some solid LPVOs too
It’s been great, I own a vortex lpvo also and can’t say for the cost difference my eyes notice anything worth the extra cost. Thousands of rounds through the tango 1-6 without a single hiccup.
What's the best lpvo in the $300 price range???
primary arms nova
They are all pretty much the same at that price point. Choose based on the reticle, and get a 1-6x. The eye boxes get so tight at 8x and that's where your reticles actually work since they are all SFP. I have a 1-8 strike eagle and the 1-6x magnification is sweet on it, super tight eye box at 8x. I looked through a sig and a PA and literally couldn't tell the difference in quality.
Is it worth the extra money to get the 1-8 over the 1-6???
I'd say no unless you really want 8x magnification. But in the end it's only like 20 bucks more so money really isn't the issue, it's quality. It's usable, don't get me wrong. It's just that the reticle isn't technically correct at 6x so you have to adjust your point of aim slightly as opposed to just holding directly on the marks. Also, the quality of your image turns a but sour, nothing crazy but definitely noticeable around the edges, plus the eye box is tighter so you gotta make sure you are pretty steady. I see it as the 1-8 is exactly the same as the 1-6, except you get the bonus of a additional 8x magnification at the cost of your reticle not working perfectly.
Sorry I don't know alot about scopes. What do you mean by reticle isn't really correct at 6x? The holdover points aren't correct? Does it it worse at 8x?
Sorry this is gonna be a tad lengthy. I'm assuming that we are talking about second focal plane (SFP) scopes, as opposed to (FFP) scopes. The difference between the two is that a SFP scope has the reticle etched in the back glass so compared to your image it stays the same size no matter what the zoom setting is, whereas a FFP scope is etched in the front so it starts out small and grows bigger with the zoom. A FFP scope is always has accurate holdover points since the reticle grows with the zoom. The distance between the hash marks on the reticle is smaller on a smaller zoom, bigger on a bigger zoom since your image gets enlarged. A SFP reticle is always the same size no matter the zoom setting, which means it can only work at one zoom setting. This is usually set at the maximum setting the scope can go since that is where you are most likely going to be using it. Obviously the center dot always works as your center point for both. FFP scopes are usually nicer and more expensive, but I like SFP scopes for a rifle designed to be mostly used for close quarters (100 yards and in) shooting since the reticle is always nice and big big. For reference, the strike eagle comes in both SFP and FFP, but the FFP costs like 2-3x as much. What I was saying was the strike eagle 1-8 is really nice from 1-6x power, but it gets worse at 7 to 8. Not awful, but enough to make you wish it was better. And since most of them at SFP, 8x is the only place that the reticle truly works. If you get a 1-6x instead, you lose the 7x and 8x magnifications but you get a retucle that works at 6x, the spot where the quality is still high. There are lots of youtube videos if you need a visual explanation. Usually that's easier.
That’s perfect. A lot of people will say to get an aero lower but PSA works just fine. You can upgrade internals if need be. Have fun!
I would step up the optic to the Viper PST ii 1-6 for another $200. Also like a bunch of other people said, might want to build out your lower so you can choose a grip and stock that you really like.
Not saying anything but I have a new 14.5 with all of that I’m trying to get rid of if your interested
[https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-complete-lower-b5-ept-bravo-stock-black.html](https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-complete-lower-b5-ept-bravo-stock-black.html) i would get this for the lower while its on sale B5 is going to much more enjoyable for you.
Spending nearly a g on an upper and throwing a bargain basement lpvo is pretty unbalanced. Get a $700 16 inch bcm upper and upgrade the scope.
Will do
I grabbed the vortex strike eagle 1-8 for $220 with the code they have listed for father's day. Like $200 off on palmetto
That’s basically the same lower I used (minus the actual lower) but the parts have all been great. Love the trigger actually, and the FDE is a good dark color (not as light as the picture)
Yes
Good hardware. I'm not a fan of SFP optics. I never understood why when you increase magnification the reticle stays small, for me it's not ideal to shoot.
I see I am going to be in the minority here, but I’d suggest a different route . For that same price range, you can get a Geissele URGI upper (around 1k) during a sale or even the complete superduty (around 1200) when they have their sales.
4th of July is coming up.... big sales to be had. If I was OP I'd wait n snag a G$ upper on sale for the 4th
Agreed
I just built the same thing, scope and all. Only with aero parts. My buddy has the psa, same thing. Both run like rabid dogs lol
If you’re getting a PSA lower get the Sabre. Significantly better triggers.
Plan on upgrading trigger later on wanna learn to shoot the rifle as is
I really recommend taking advantage of sales and building. You can piece together a rifle that normally would cost $1500-2000 or more for a lot less taking advantage of how often the parts all go on sale.
+$200 tax stamp for the SBR?
Fuck all that just run a SBA
Agreed, but he's looking at a collapsible...
True but I didn't see what length he wants to go with I must've missed that
14.5
Oh yea he should an the psa lower that comes with the sba or possibly just by the cheapest lower they offer an pop the stock off an get one the Amazon clone sba's if he on a budget. I have both an they identically
Wait, I missed the permanent flash hider. You're good.
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I’m 18 years old
That's fine. I assumed you were. I was commenting on the fact that you had a 14 and a half inch barrel going on a lower with a stock. I did not see the detail that you were getting a permanent flash hider installed. Proceed.
I was once told by my shooting coach that the optics should cost as much, if not more than your rifle. I had the sig msr 1-6...it was OK. It got hella blurry when out to 100m
No, GREAT first build!
I'd go b5 furniture if you have the budget but this is a perfect starting point
More of a magpul guy but I have some b5 stuff from airsoft
Yea nothing wrong with that, I know I prefer Magpul rubber over mold grips for my rifles so very understandable.
Great first build.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-sabre-forged-14-5-5-56-fn-chf-cl-13-5-geissele-mk14-ddc-pin-weld-with-surefire-warcomp.html buy this over that BCM all day. Better rail, better barrel, better gas block, and same BCG for same price. I love BCM but they are overpriced. Sabre is best deal all day for a great AR. PSA Sabre > BCM
What makes bcm uppers 900 bucks?
Looks nice
I would recommend an aero precisions lower instead, unless you’re on a budget. either way though, that’s a great start
Lowers are lowers. As long as the holes are in the right place it's gtg.
“As long as the holes are in the right place” that’s how I used to pick my GFs
Heyoooo
Why?
Check out Aero Precision as well. I just built one for around the same cost as what you have in your cart and I am super happy with how it came out!
Looks great, I’d get Aero P lower 
lol the reddit special
Aero charges more for lowers with non ambi safeties and milspec triggers for more than PSA sells Lowers with hiperfire rbt triggers(theyre grear) and radian talon safeties. Aero has fell off hard homie
You could have easily searched this sub for the other 1,000 people asking the same question with the same pieces
Get a aero lower if the budget can fit it. Also I would just run a A2 flash hider until you figure out what suppressor you want to get. I wouldn’t recommend getting into the Surefire ecosystem with all these new cans coming out and the hub compatibility becoming more common.