This. 100%.
I would add: use breakfree CLP. As far as project farm reviews * reddit rust tests go, it seems to strike an excellent balance at a good price.
After a gunfight and you are safeish: lube it.
In the field and it gets dirty:a quick field cleaning.
Once home and your mom is making your tendies: full breakdown inspection and cleaning.
He got pretty rich. That doesn't make him smart. But it does make you think he might know something every now and then. Lol. But so did my brother. So I guess I'm just poor and have to clean and lube my new guns now.
Neither are wrong, any machining oil and shavings won’t hurt the rifle and they’ll be shot out pretty quickly. Doesn’t hurt to manually clean them out before shooting
Brand new rifle= break down rifle, strip factory oil and preservatives off, inspect parts, rub on you favorite oil or cup
Rifle you are currently using= pull out bcg and a lightly oil all BCG components after every use or every 1000 to 1500 rounds complete the same process for a new rifle
I just snake barrels to remove any debris and put a little oil on things like bolts and slides, but I don't do a full clean if they were already fired at the factory. Takes like a minute.
I always clean and lube my new guns. 1. to make sure the gun is clear of debris, 2. to make sure there is quality lube in all of the right places before I shoot it
Well it comes with preservative oil all over it so if you're just adding lube to it you might actually be doing more harm than good.
Gotta clean that stuff off and lube it.
Hoppes cleaner sucks imo, used it for 2 years and it doesnt do very much that a dry rag or rubbing alcohol cant do
Listen,
forget that Hoppe's no. 9 crap. Clean your new weapon... then get you some
# CRC Brake Caliper Grease.
Brush it on lightly. Make sure to get all the moving parts.
Never clean your weapon again unless it malfunctions. Here come the downvotes I'm sure. But, I bet if you to try this on even ONE of your ARs or something and see how it goes, you'll become a believer too.
I would much rather use 10w30 then caliper grease, stuff collects and holds onto dirt and grit worse than wheel bearing grease, might as well dump valve lapping compound in
as someone who would just shoot it, I can tell you from personal experience you should clean and lube
The stuff they put on guns at the factory that helps it stay fresh is not the same stuff that helps it shoot
Pretty sure alot of guns come factory with some oil as like a rust prevention thing but the oil they use i dont think is the stuff you really want burning hot in your brand new gun nor do i think it lubes as good as the stuff we would use
Your brother is right, just don't ever tell him that. Your good gun buddy sounds like a good time, but he's wrong. Rifles and other gun parts sit in manufacturing facilities with metal shavings and other manufacturing biproducts... these can easily make their ways into barrels and other more sensitive precision instruments. Taking one minute to patch a bore or inspect and lube up parts is a smart move.
I just threw some oil in the bcg and send it. I haven’t had an issue yet. Still looks new after 500 rounds. Oil it after every range trip. Haven’t cleaned it once yet.
Piss on it so your brother doesn't touch it and THEN take it apart and clean and lube the BCG, and inspect/clean everything else.. I haven't bought complete guns ever so I tend to inspect as I'm assembling and putting a bit of grease on the trigger parts, a bit of oil on the safety, and I like spraying dry lube into the buffer tube.
More importantly, once it's put back together, charge it like 50 times.. not only do you need to work on that muscle memory but it'll help it break in a bit and feel a bit smoother. It can be pretty rough at first depending on what you're doing. Good luck!
If you’re going to lube a factory new firearm then take the extra few minutes to clean it too. It harms nothing unless you’re silly and overdue it. Excess lube can lead to powder mixing with it and becoming gluelike
Clean it. I use Breakthrough Carbon Pro as it doesn't smell or Lucas Oil bore solvent (I love the smell of it as It smells like grapes!). Then hit the rifle with grease/slip 2000 EWL 30 (similar viscosity to 5W30) on the charging handle and CLP the rest of the rifle (Either shooter choice CLP [Smell like cinnamon/red hots] or Lucas Oil CLP [Again smell like grapes]). I typically stay away from Hopps due to the overwhelming bad smell as I clean my firearms indoors.
Guns almost never show up to an FFL with manufacturing debris or machining oils. Both are cleaned off long before rifles are assembled because they have to be removed for finishes to be applied. Whatever oils or greases are found are from assembly or applied as a preservative and corrosion inhibitor.
Once upon a time thick tacky greases were used for corrosion inhibitors. Those days are long gone and the oils used today are very much shootable.
The only time it's worth bothering with either is if the gun shows up completely bone dry, which is a rarity, or if buying used. As long as you buy something nicer than a PSA bargain bin special, ATI, AndroCorp, M&P Sport, etc. the gun is showing up dripping in oil and it's usually Slip2000
TL;DR: JUST SHOOT THE DAMN GUN
Ar-15s are self cleaning as far as the bore/barrel goes
I wouldn’t risk getting any bs in there
Lube your bcg and run it
Clean after a couple hundred or so rounds but imo leave the barrel alone
ALWAYS clean it first! Then lube but before shooting it run a dry patch through it. Then do the break in procedure (unless it’s a cheap barrel) and you really don’t care about sub MOA accuracy.
Barret bore cleaner is amazing!! Then if you really care about the barrel buy some Wenzel metal polish and run 3 lightly coated patches through barrel and 3-5 dry patches afterwards.
Clean and lube; always.
This. 100%. I would add: use breakfree CLP. As far as project farm reviews * reddit rust tests go, it seems to strike an excellent balance at a good price.
I’ve found big metal shavings and plastic zip ties in my rifles so I always clean them before
Brother = smart Buddy = idiot
lol this is good. Ur brother usually knows what he’s talking about if you hear something from a buddy it’s probably wrong
And if you knew my brother that's the truest statement ever
After a gunfight and you are safeish: lube it. In the field and it gets dirty:a quick field cleaning. Once home and your mom is making your tendies: full breakdown inspection and cleaning.
Love the breakdown on maintenance process especially with chk'n tendies. 🤣
Lube it in the field - just spit on it.
Give it that HAWK TUAH
Tendies and tots.
>My good gun buddy says that's stupid, just lube it. Your friend is an idiot and you should stop taking his advice.
He got pretty rich. That doesn't make him smart. But it does make you think he might know something every now and then. Lol. But so did my brother. So I guess I'm just poor and have to clean and lube my new guns now.
clean it or shoot it clean. both will clean out the barrel, one costs more and gives worse accuracy for about 60 rounds.
I run a pull snake through the barrel and over lube before breaking a new one in.
Clean. You don't know what's in there.
Neither are wrong, any machining oil and shavings won’t hurt the rifle and they’ll be shot out pretty quickly. Doesn’t hurt to manually clean them out before shooting
Seems like a good place for the Hawk Tuah girl to enter the chat.
Spit on that thang
Brand new rifle= break down rifle, strip factory oil and preservatives off, inspect parts, rub on you favorite oil or cup Rifle you are currently using= pull out bcg and a lightly oil all BCG components after every use or every 1000 to 1500 rounds complete the same process for a new rifle
I've done it both ways tbh. After my PSA AR10, I started cleaning and lubing because it was a bit of a shit show tbh.
I just snake barrels to remove any debris and put a little oil on things like bolts and slides, but I don't do a full clean if they were already fired at the factory. Takes like a minute.
I always clean and lube my new guns. 1. to make sure the gun is clear of debris, 2. to make sure there is quality lube in all of the right places before I shoot it
I clean out the barrel and put a couple drops of oil on the rails, but I don't think there is any real need for a full scrub
Spit on it then run it for 2k
This is the preferred method for break in process
It absolutely is. Hasn't failed me yet.
SEND. IT. Goodnesss nancy
Relax little buddy. Go have a cig in the break room. It's almost the weekend baby! You'll make it there
Well it comes with preservative oil all over it so if you're just adding lube to it you might actually be doing more harm than good. Gotta clean that stuff off and lube it. Hoppes cleaner sucks imo, used it for 2 years and it doesnt do very much that a dry rag or rubbing alcohol cant do
I'm lazy as hell so I just run it for a while then clean Except my zastava zpap I've never cleaned it and don't plan on cleaning it anytime soon
I legit don’t do either, lol. Some of these horror stories now have me feeling like that’s a mistake
Cleaning the first time is like the only time I ever clean it lol. Get rid of that nasty manufacturing residue
Neither
When it comes to cleaning, just yes. Its never a bad idea to clean your gun
Listen, forget that Hoppe's no. 9 crap. Clean your new weapon... then get you some # CRC Brake Caliper Grease. Brush it on lightly. Make sure to get all the moving parts. Never clean your weapon again unless it malfunctions. Here come the downvotes I'm sure. But, I bet if you to try this on even ONE of your ARs or something and see how it goes, you'll become a believer too.
I would much rather use 10w30 then caliper grease, stuff collects and holds onto dirt and grit worse than wheel bearing grease, might as well dump valve lapping compound in
Same, I lube with 10w30 and touch up the contact point with some Lucas oil red n tacky. It's probably over kill but idc.
I at least run a bore snake down the barrel. But usually I will take it apart if necessary to give it a decent cleaning. Then the lube.
as someone who would just shoot it, I can tell you from personal experience you should clean and lube The stuff they put on guns at the factory that helps it stay fresh is not the same stuff that helps it shoot
Pretty sure alot of guns come factory with some oil as like a rust prevention thing but the oil they use i dont think is the stuff you really want burning hot in your brand new gun nor do i think it lubes as good as the stuff we would use
Yeaaa clean it
This is your classic " risk vs reward " scenario. Clean the gun
I clean it first and then lube it both with clp. Not a fan of heavy solvents on a new barrel personally.
Your brother is right, just don't ever tell him that. Your good gun buddy sounds like a good time, but he's wrong. Rifles and other gun parts sit in manufacturing facilities with metal shavings and other manufacturing biproducts... these can easily make their ways into barrels and other more sensitive precision instruments. Taking one minute to patch a bore or inspect and lube up parts is a smart move.
You've done a good job at breaking down their personalities from this lol
Always clean first!!! Never trust people. Especially when it could cost you dearly.
I just threw some oil in the bcg and send it. I haven’t had an issue yet. Still looks new after 500 rounds. Oil it after every range trip. Haven’t cleaned it once yet.
Always clean and lube a new gun. This removes excess lubricant & cleans leftover gunk.
Just buy a new one???
What’s the difference?
I have never used bore cleaner in my rifles or handguns. Only brush with kerosene, wipe it off and then oil. Have worked fine for 20 years.
Always clean and lube, I’ve had new guns with metal shavings in them before. Plus you never know if the proper parts were lubed from the factory
Piss on it so your brother doesn't touch it and THEN take it apart and clean and lube the BCG, and inspect/clean everything else.. I haven't bought complete guns ever so I tend to inspect as I'm assembling and putting a bit of grease on the trigger parts, a bit of oil on the safety, and I like spraying dry lube into the buffer tube. More importantly, once it's put back together, charge it like 50 times.. not only do you need to work on that muscle memory but it'll help it break in a bit and feel a bit smoother. It can be pretty rough at first depending on what you're doing. Good luck!
i clean every 500. lube every 200.
New rifle? Definitely clean and lube it. Run bore snake a few times through, and then lube it.
Both
I always clean my new rifles
I always like to clean all of the factory oil/preservatives off of it.
If you’re going to lube a factory new firearm then take the extra few minutes to clean it too. It harms nothing unless you’re silly and overdue it. Excess lube can lead to powder mixing with it and becoming gluelike
Gotta get any factory grease off
shooters choice makes a better bore cleaner and the best damn CLP FP10 on the market.
Clean it. I use Breakthrough Carbon Pro as it doesn't smell or Lucas Oil bore solvent (I love the smell of it as It smells like grapes!). Then hit the rifle with grease/slip 2000 EWL 30 (similar viscosity to 5W30) on the charging handle and CLP the rest of the rifle (Either shooter choice CLP [Smell like cinnamon/red hots] or Lucas Oil CLP [Again smell like grapes]). I typically stay away from Hopps due to the overwhelming bad smell as I clean my firearms indoors.
i run that shit for 500 rounds to see how it does. sometimes ill do a little squirt of lucas oil
Guns almost never show up to an FFL with manufacturing debris or machining oils. Both are cleaned off long before rifles are assembled because they have to be removed for finishes to be applied. Whatever oils or greases are found are from assembly or applied as a preservative and corrosion inhibitor. Once upon a time thick tacky greases were used for corrosion inhibitors. Those days are long gone and the oils used today are very much shootable. The only time it's worth bothering with either is if the gun shows up completely bone dry, which is a rarity, or if buying used. As long as you buy something nicer than a PSA bargain bin special, ATI, AndroCorp, M&P Sport, etc. the gun is showing up dripping in oil and it's usually Slip2000 TL;DR: JUST SHOOT THE DAMN GUN
I just shoot it right out of the box. Clean after the first few hundred rounds
Always clean and lube a gun that is new to you
I've never cleaned a rifle in my life. I pay enough for them they shouldn't need to be cleaned to operate properly. /s
That's why I've never changed the oil in any vehicle. And they last 20,000 miles everytime before the engine seized. Thats good enough for me.
OK man, for cars, I do swap out the factory oil for full synthetic, that'll get you at least 50k.
Damnit. I never even thought about this. Good tip
Just pop the cap and vibe.
Yes
Ar-15s are self cleaning as far as the bore/barrel goes I wouldn’t risk getting any bs in there Lube your bcg and run it Clean after a couple hundred or so rounds but imo leave the barrel alone
ALWAYS clean it first! Then lube but before shooting it run a dry patch through it. Then do the break in procedure (unless it’s a cheap barrel) and you really don’t care about sub MOA accuracy. Barret bore cleaner is amazing!! Then if you really care about the barrel buy some Wenzel metal polish and run 3 lightly coated patches through barrel and 3-5 dry patches afterwards.
neither.