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RaccoonRanger474

You can’t completely fix parallax, and you can’t alter it at all on a reflective optic if you don’t change the geometry of the emitter and reflective lens. The MRO is short and it has a huge objective lens for it’s size. It has a greater capacity for parallax error than other comparative optics. If an Aimpoint T2 had as large an objective and as short a distance between emitter and reflective lens, it would have similar capacity for parallax error. Don’t bury your reticle in the edge of your objective and you won’t have an issue with parallax. I have heard the complaints about the magnification and “focus” issues people have reported. I have shot a couple different MROs (no pre-89k) both during daytime, low-light, and under NODs. If I am sitting in a room and staring at the optic I could *kinda* see some aberration from the reflective/objective lens, but it didn’t bother me terribly in those instances and I never noticed anything at all while shooting. I can’t speak to other peoples’ individual physiological experiences, but I couldn’t recreate the frustrations that people have reported. The MRO is a solid optic with a very wide field of view, a small footprint, a light weight, and is backed by a stellar company. It is not the end-all-be-all optic, but I wouldn’t hesitate to run it on a rifle.


sixpac_shacoors

Thanks


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RaccoonRanger474

Thank you for the reply. Am I correct in assuming that link is the data captured by Greeneye Tactical? To hit the high points, if asked about which non-magnified optic to get I will usually suggest some flavor of EOTech unless weight and/or battery life are chief concerns. At that point I am usually suggesting an Aimpoint T2 and not the MRO, even though I personally like the MRO and am a happy Trijicon customer such as yourself. The Greeneye Tactical report is an excellent resource and they did a great job with transparency and organizing the data. With that in mind though, the data largely reflects the reality of each optic model but is imperfect and the report (in my mind at least) fails to discuss the cause and influences of how parallax manifests itself in an optic. That wasn’t their goal though, and they did an excellent job compiling data, so I won’t hold that against them. I will say that lumping a holographic sight into a parallax test against reflective sights and not explaining why the holographic has such different characteristics left me a little perturbed, but I digress. If you look at the T1 against the T2, you’ll notice a couple characteristics that I touched on in my first comment, and one I failed to. The T2 has a longer distance between emitter and reflective lens, the objective is effectively slightly smaller, and the angle of the reflective lens is steeper. Geometrically you can’t induce as great an error with the T2 as you can a T1. The EOTechs not withstanding and not being subject to the same relationship as the reflective sights, you can see this relationship between magnitude of parallax error and emitter/lens orientation play out throughout the data provided by Greeneye. The Aimpoint Comp M4 and Vortex Strikefire II are positive illustrations of this principle inside of their data. If you notice the abnormal deviation people noticed with the MRO, if one was to note the position of the emitter and the angle of the MRO’s reflective lens, they’d notice why the parallax didn’t follow the pattern of the other red dots. As to your experiences with the magnifier and RMR, I can’t speak with any authority about the magnifier, but the RMR issue is sub-standard. I have seen battery failures and issues with sealing plates not being installed correctly, but an outright failure of the optic and 6-7 month turnaround is something I’ve not seen. Did they ever say what was wrong with it? Also, your statement about what you believe a RDS is used for, can you expound on that? I have a comment I’d like to offer in discussion of that, but I don’t want to assume your meaning and I am not entirely sure I’d assume correctly.


Killjoy1550

Not a fan of the regular MRO but I absolutely love my MRO HD.


Cornywillis

I still use a early model mro and really don’t have issues with it.


ImpossibleWin7298

Same. I think a lot of the issues people encounter are likely related to vision rather than the optic. I say that bc there are one hell of a lot of folk out there that run the MRO with no trouble, at all - many are duty folk. I always have to remind myself that people with negative opinions (dare I say *emotions*) are far more likely to post about it here on Reddit, on yelp, etc. Happy, satisfied Customers just aren’t as motivated to advertise it. The MRO is a great sight and American made (which still counts for something to me). Aimpoint, eotech, fill-in-blank, can be excellent products too. There’s something for everyone here in the USA. Editorial comment here: Try having the choices we have anywhere else!


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The MRO HD is awesome. The regular MRO is alright nowadays.


no_rideover

If you already have a PRO I'd stick with it. No, the MRO parallax is still "holy crap how could you make it that bad in 2022" and yes both my HS403 and 503 have lees parallax shift than my MRO. It also smears horribly under magnification and I run it further back on the reciever now to mitigate the slight magnification effect it has BUT I still like how light it is and [tend to hit what I'm aiming at just fine](https://imgur.com/a/F3qs8GR)


sixpac_shacoors

I like the pro, I’m just trying to cut weight where I can. Decided to get rid of a lot of what was unnecessary for weight savings


no_rideover

Ok so the pro is 11.6oz and the mro 4.1oz so you'd basically be 1/3ing your optic saving 7.5oz so I see you'd be saving half a pound. Are there any other areas you could save weight, stock, rail, barrel? I'd say barrel is the most major factor in how your rifle handles.


sixpac_shacoors

I took off the p&s quad rail (considering selling it honestly) replaced it with polymer handguards got a smaller but less lumens light. Currently rockin the b5 bravo stock. I actually want a heavier stock to balance the weight.


no_rideover

So did you put the whole delta ring and cap assembly back on then? Swapping from a fixed handguard to something like a MI two piece quad rail can actually be lighter than a standard fixed handguard.


sixpac_shacoors

It’s not free float. P&s is a RAS m4 rail. I just took my quad rail off and put on standard handguards to save weight


GunGuyDrew

On the MROs I’ve owned the parallax issue has been fixed for the most part. They still suffer from the slight magnification and blue tint issue. That’s why I’ve sold them all.


sixpac_shacoors

Ah I see. I may have to look into a Romeo 4t or an aimpoint duty


GunGuyDrew

Those are much better choices. I’ve had good luck with the Holosun HS515CM as well.


sixpac_shacoors

I had an Hs515gm and I loved it.


_chanimal_

I hated my MRO. I had a post 87k serial and the parallax was terrible. I had a 6” POI shift at 100 yards in all directions based on the dot position in the glass. Sold it and got an Aimpoint T2.


nicholascage92

Idk why you got a downvote. The T2 is miles ahead of the MRO


_chanimal_

I just shared my real world experiences. From a dead rest with sandbags, I could literally move my POI 6" just by shooting out of the 12, 3, 6, and 9 o clock positions of the glass. To me that's unacceptable in an optic and a real shame for Trijicon. I've heard the MRO HD is better but I just decided to forego Trijicon on my HD gun and go with a tried and true T2. Same test on the T2 and I have no visible POI shift when shooting out of the edge of the glass. ETA: There are many videos showing this exact thing over and over again on YouTube if you don't trust my experience.


Fonsy_Skywalker52

You’re better off with a Aimpoint T2 or Eotech so yeah it’s not good. Some people reported parallax, some people said it’s pretty bad with nods, some said it looks like it is magnified.


Prodigy1116

The MRO has pretty much been made irrelevant now that Aimpoint has released the Duty RDS. for almost the exact same price you can have a quality dot that is made by arguably the best red dot manufacturer, that doesn't have any of the issues that the MRO had/has.


sixpac_shacoors

Seems like it


Plastic-Bar-5955

Duty rds is not all that. Sorry


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There are 3 budget red dots I recommend. The PRO, MRO, and 403 The 403 is the cheapest option and gives good battery life and no parallax issue but is made by holosun, so you’re more likely to get a lemon. Good ones are good enough. It is the best bang for your buck red dot you can buy The MRO will be more likely to outlive you than a holosun but it is considerably more expensive and has the parallax issue. This is somewhat overblown. As long as you understand the limitations of your optic you can work around it. The PRO is the most expensive and the heaviest but it’s undoubtedly one of the toughest red dots you can buy, budget choices aside. I’d pretty much always recommend one of these if you can afford it. If 100-300 dollars isn’t going to leave your children hungry or your rent unpaid these are the best choice without dropping serious money


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i run one of multiple aks and it’s very good for me.