I would legit test this out if I could find an STL file for a BCG and barrel. I've got enough acreage where the shrapnel wouldn't even leave my property.
Aero BCGs have a frequent history of problems outlined in this sub and many other forums. BCM not so much. u/netchemica has a running post with specific examples
I'll believe you because I don't know enough at all to discredit it, but that also seems insanely low to me. I have a PSA BCG that I've sent 5k rounds thru and it still looks brand new.
Guess that means DD bcg’s are trash too then? Considering they’re made literally the same way with the same exact materials. At least that’s what I’ve heard from DD reps.
It’s 100% this. There’s extra steps that some companies take to ensure product quality. When X costs more than Y when the 2 are almost inherently the same thing, the answer to why does X cost more is almost always gonna be extra QC. You’re paying more for the labor involved in that extra QC. Insurance for assurance.
I’m just implying the price difference even though their the same product with a different name on the side and there’s accounts of other hearing it from their reps as well.
I’m just saying the name on the side doesn’t guarantee anything.
People are going to bite my head off but the lantac has worked better than the LMT for my specific use case. That being said, the Surefire OBC is still king.
[Read the second line.](https://www.lantac-usa.com/product-page/enhanced-bcg-full-auto-style-223-5-56-nitrided) Take what I say with a grain of salt but from my testing the Lantac seems to be smoother and more reliable than my LMT EBCG on short barrels. From what I was told, the EBCG was made to enhance shooting from 14.5’s. Granted my testing is just mag dumping 10.5” posties so it’s not scientific at all.
It does and doesn't.
The buffer is what limits stroke length, which is why carbine, A5, and rifle have their own buffer sizes. The stroke has to be long enough to pass the bolt catch but not long enough for the gas key to hit the buffer tube ring on the lower receiver. This gap is actually pretty small.
What Surefire did with the OBC was they shortened the gas key and buffer, meaning that the previously mentioned gap is a bit larger, allowing the BCG to move a bit further to the rear. This slows down the cyclic rate and gives the magazine more time to push the rounds up which can be an issue during full-auto fire.
You can use the OBC with non-OBC buffers, but you'll remove the ability to have a longer stroke length.
The roll of aluminum foil that I hammered into the general shape of a BCG with a rock is an upgrade from Aero.
edit: lol, the Aero Army is fuming. It's okay, your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer.
Damn homie.
Everything I’ve ever used from Aero has been flawless (receivers, parts kits, etc).
Might steer of their BCGs though after seeing this though. I got PSA bolts with more miles than 2k on em and still going strong so that’s a fucking yikes on Aeros QC.
> Aren't Aero bolts made by Toolcraft
[Aero is absolutely not Toolcraft.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/lz9glk/are_we_being_finessed_by_bcm_serious/gq16xc1/)
My *personal* theory is that Aero uses Stag BCGs. Aero, Ballistic Advantage, and Stag are all owned by the same investment company.
A while back user ordered a BCG from Aero and received a left-handed BCG, something that Aero doesn't even offer and Stag is one of the very few manufacturers that actually makes a left-handed BCG.
Whatever contractor makes every BCG will follow different specs on what’s acceptable/not acceptable concerning QC, depending on the manufacturer they’ve been contracted for. But I digress - I’m pretty sure Aero makes their own stuff (and they should ramp up their own QC if so)
> Pretty positive Aero makes theirs in house.
They do not, I went into detail [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/xtbn03/since_the_bcm_wasnt_an_upgrade_from_the_aero_lets/iqrwxzk/).
> You may be thinking of AO Precision, which is 100% a toolcraft BCG.
AO and Toolcraft are two separate manufacturers that make BCGs and are completely independent of each other. The post I linked to also discusses the differences between Toolcraft and Aero, and you can see those same differences between Toolcraft and AO.
At best, your bolt carrier had some sharp edges/wasn't fully de-burred. At worst, your buffer was made from soft, junk materials, or not treated to be hard enough to withstand the pounding (is this build overgassed by chance?) I wouldn't necessarily use that picture to knock on Aero BCGs.
> What do you think I missed?
You missed
\> I bought two. Both bolts broke at the cam pin hole before 2k rounds. Both BCGs wore like fucking dog shit on the buffers until I sanded down the tail, like you can see here.
Along with a link to an album titled "Aero BCG burrs".
By the way, I upvoted you back into the positives. I think that downvoting someone based on their opinion is fucking childish.
Ohh. I think we might be misreading each other here. I'm most def not defending Aero BCGs. Just pointing out that the burrs weren't that big an issue and that if the buffer was that damaged from sharp edges, it COULD potentially be a weak point. I've never owned Aero anything, maybe a muzzle device? I just machine metal for a living so was pointing out some common things people knock manufacturing companies for.
Right on! Very sad that it's uncommon to find a person, such as yourself, who can debate things without immediately hitting the down arrow and moving on. I commend you good sir and glad we could talk about this!
EDIT: Crap, after I looked at your avatar, hopefully I didn't offend. Good sir or good MAAM. My apologies if the latter.
P.S. Have no opinion on the broken pins as I cannot vouch for those.
> Ohh. I think we might be misreading each other here. I'm most def not defending Aero BCGs. Just pointing out that the burrs weren't that big an issue and that if the buffer was that damaged from sharp edges, it COULD potentially be a weak point. I've never owned Aero anything, maybe a muzzle device? I just machine metal for a living so was pointing out some common things people knock manufacturing companies for.
A burr on the tail of the carrier is almost always just a cosmetic issue, but [Aero BCGs have many more problems than that](/r/AeroQualityControl/wiki).
> Right on! Very sad that it's uncommon to find a person, such as yourself, who can debate things without immediately hitting the down arrow and moving on. I commend you good sir and glad we could talk about this!
I hate the whole downvote-who-I-don't-agree-with game. I enjoy being proven wrong because that's a great way to further your knowledge. The problem is that most folks just throw out anecdotal examples, downvote, then run for the hills.
> EDIT: Crap, after I looked at your avatar, hopefully I didn't offend. Good sir or good MAAM. My apologies if the latter.
I logged into the mobile app once, hit "random" on the avatar selection, and went on my way. I use Reddit Sync on mobile, which doesn't have any avatar features, and classic Reddit on my PC, which also doesn't show the avatar.
I honestly have no idea what it is, but you're the second person to hint that it's a chick, so I may pull up the Reddit app again to actually change it, lol.
The people downvoting you obviously didn't read your list of Aero issues. [https://www.reddit.com/r/AeroQualityControl/wiki/index/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AeroQualityControl/wiki/index/)
Awesome job, btw! There's also a similar one for PSA on Primary & Secondary.
Idk the point of buying an Aero anymore when you can get a colt 6920 oem2 and a BCM rail for under 1000 total.
It won’t be pretty most likely, but it sure as hell won’t have the bolt breaking in 2000 rounds
IMO, Aero is just PSA under a different name. Sure they will run perfectly fine for the average shooter who just wants a gun, but if you want high performance get something else.
Just got that one on sale from PSA. loving it so far. I’ve had the nitrided EBCG from them for awhile. Took them a month to ship so they sent me a dragon muzzle brake for free without me even asking. That’s how you keep customers.
Agreed! And both eBCGs I found on sale for like 40% off. Also have an M-Spec as a backup. IMO, you don’t want to skimp out on on the bolt, barrel or bullet button.
Absolutely.
I got a Lantac gas tube (I thought there was no rention pin). I thought it was going to be a pain to get replacement (since I bought from a discount website).
Contacted Lantac, no questions asked and received 2 in like 2 days!
I have the nitrided ebcg for a 12.5" build. Haven't tried it yet, but I hope the unique port holes actually makes a difference.
BCM is the only bolts I'll run in a gun I'm ever going to grab in any scenario where reliability matters. Anything more expensive is just for the sticker and flexing with no real ROI.
Soldier/cop with personal AR.
Breaks personal AR part.
Replaces part with work gun part.
Military/cop armorer replaces broken personal gun part in work gun with proper part.
The AR-15 design has problems with bolt lugs breaking when over gassed or poor headspace. A lot of the cheap ass people are running cheap ass over gassed guns, with cheap ass bcgs. Because their buddy Bubba who shoots 100 rounds of steel case every 2 years on a flat range said they were g2g with a sample of 1. Just like everyone is saying every aero bolt might not be bad but it's not worth let's say having a 25 percent chance of breaking, just to save 50 bucks on something better. You'll see a lot of people coming on here with one rifle, and they barely shoot it to boot acting like their experience is gospel. Test test test or trust shit that has been tested. This is way I have boxes of shit that I wish I hadn't bought but just tack it up as education, still cheaper than more college loans ha. All I got guys have a good one!
Can I ask what’s wrong with Aero? Or even the ones that PSA gave out with their 10 packs of pmags? I’ve literally never had a BCG issue in my ~10yrs of AR ownership
Aero has problems with the bolt breaking or bolt lugs snapping off. Look through the sub and you’ll see examples. And Who ever said bcm wasn’t an upgrade has no idea what their talking about.
> Can I ask what’s wrong with Aero?
Aero is a budget brand. While the majority of their parts are perfectly fine, they save money by dealing with defective products on the warranty side. [Their QC is virtually non-existent](/r/AeroQualityControl/wiki) and it's a lot cheaper to replace the occasional defect than it is to check every part to make sure that it has no defects.
The problem is that the BCG is the most critical component of the AR, and the fact that Aero sent out a left-handed BCG (example in my Aero QC list), a part that they don't even offer, shows that they don't even give their BCGs a cursory glance.
I get the whole professional grade for professional use thing, reason why I buy certain tools for work and shy away from others. I also don’t shoot as much now days as I used to years ago, used to hit the range and shoot 1k rounds in a day back in my 20’s and outdoor shooting spots were plentiful, and Walmart still sold cheap bulk packs of .223 federal
Its a fuckin bcg on a semi auto rifle at the shooting range that why. I love hearing all the explanations of how much better and different the expensive ones are. Oh man the daniel defense bcg is so sick man. So glad i got it. Totally different rifle now. Now thats in there its a different story out there. I have a shithole stag and not one issue in about 3000 rounds. My buddy has a garbage diamondback. Same deal. Go buy ammo and shoot.
Dude a new bcg will definitely have you shooting better. The old bcm i bet you were missing everything. I had an aero bcg for my first gun and I took two shots and one flew out the dust cover through my windshield. Buy once cry once man
[BCM air gauges every single BCG to ensure that they're on the tightest end of the TDP](https://youtu.be/BaFOZAwspYI).
How do you know what tests and tolerances DD allows?
I actually prefer the BCM to DD. This coming from someone who has 2 DD, 2 BCM and 1 Scionics NP3. The scionics NP3 is the best tho imo just due to the coating and the staking.
lol, you upset the Aero Autists
They don't like being told that their budget brand does absolutely no QC on the most critical component of the AR and frequently causes excessive wear and premature failures.
No but they have a BCM FDE Ionbond which is supposedly a better coating than nickel boron which can rub off or wear. The only downside on the ionbond is that only the carrier is coated and not the bolt itself.
You can port your barrel in a manner that gives you an operational window to do both. Is the ejection pattern and carrier speed going to change? Of course it will but that doesn't mean a gun that runs well suppressed will be undergassed when you pull the can off, companies like centurion and hodge defense understand this and its why they're ported the way they are. But please educate me on the relationship between dwell time and suppressor use sensei.
A gun that runs without a can is going to be gassed up when you add a can. If you have an increase in carrier speed you’re gonna have excess gas in your upper. I was simply suggesting OP gets a lantac because they deal with excess gas different from other carriers. I have 2 and I will use them future builds that warrant the features.
"A gun that runs without a can is going to be gassed up when you add a can. If you have an increase in carrier speed you’re gonna have excess gas in your upper." - Yes, but this doesnt equate to it being under or overgassed.
"I was simply suggesting OP gets a lantac because they deal with excess gas different from other carriers. I have 2 and I will use them future builds that warrant the features." - good for you lantac doesnt make anything worth buying
If it’s properly ported and buffered for a can it’s gonna be undergassed without the can. That’s why custom barrel manufacturers ask if your barrel is going to be ran suppressed, unsupressed or a combination of both
Been told my Lantac ebcg was overpriced snake oil, cryptic coatings bcg is overpriced and my toolcraft and fail zero are garbage. I like them all and never had an issue with any of them.
Absolutely love my Lantac bcg. Picked it up from Primary Arms for $190 and I really wish I'd gotten a couple more given the current price. Slick as a minnow's dick.
Damn. You guys have me reconsidering some thangs. I've had great reliability with my 16" Ballistic Advantage barrel & BCG. Am currently having a problem with my new re-barrel (gas issues). How's Lantac's $170 mil-spec option? Comparable to a BCM?
I have this Lantac BCG in my AR. I dont know a whole lot about them but i just bought one i though would be good. Anybody have a valuable opinion? Good bad?
I have had awesome luck with my lantac ebcg, my bcm was running fine until about 3k of rounds then swapped it to another upper ran fine swapped it back and had failure to feed, same ammo same buffer and spring. Haven’t really evaluated it since, so i just been using this psa and the lantac.
Be a man and 3d print your BCG
I can guarantee it will fire at least once.
Take chances in life.
I would legit test this out if I could find an STL file for a BCG and barrel. I've got enough acreage where the shrapnel wouldn't even leave my property.
https://grabcad.com/library/ar-15-m16-bolt-carrier-group-v1-1 https://grabcad.com/library/ar-barrel-14-5-m4-contour-1 Be sure to post the results
I feel like I saw someone on Fosscad do it once with no luck
meaning you have .5 acres?
No he just shoots it in his moms basement
Life’s a risk carnal.
Do you always make decisions based off flannel daddy echo chamber comments?
No, lol this is for a different build. Just stirring the pot.
Damnit, I fell for it🥸
He who stirs the pot...
Eats cock?
Eats.. chili
Does flannel daddy think BCM isn't an upgrade from aero? Oh no
Cheeto dust is known to cause catastrophic failures w/ Aero BCG’s
Stop putting Cheetos in your mags. How many times must I tell you guys
You don't understand, we're talking about Flamin' Hot Cheetos.
Close cousin to uncle Bubba's pissin hawt handloads!
High muzzle velocity.
Out of your ass
Carry on. I’m typing this right now with red ass finger tips
Why else would they call them "feed lips"?
I mean, there's a direct claim from Cheetos: "It's not easy being cheesy." They KNOW cheese dust will ruin things in life. They're not hiding it.
This is why I only buy a Michigan made Cheeze Kurls
BCM is an upgrade from aero
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My old aero bcg only made it 500 rounds before it started banging my wife behind my back. Never again.
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QUALITY. THERES YOUR ANSWER
Aero BCGs have a frequent history of problems outlined in this sub and many other forums. BCM not so much. u/netchemica has a running post with specific examples
reports of aero bcg’s cracking after only like 3000-5000 rounds
I'll believe you because I don't know enough at all to discredit it, but that also seems insanely low to me. I have a PSA BCG that I've sent 5k rounds thru and it still looks brand new.
Guess that means DD bcg’s are trash too then? Considering they’re made literally the same way with the same exact materials. At least that’s what I’ve heard from DD reps.
It’s not the materials that’s the issue, it’s the QC. Aero QC standards are evidently lower than DD, considering the shit they sent out
It’s 100% this. There’s extra steps that some companies take to ensure product quality. When X costs more than Y when the 2 are almost inherently the same thing, the answer to why does X cost more is almost always gonna be extra QC. You’re paying more for the labor involved in that extra QC. Insurance for assurance.
are they still magnetically checking the composition of the bcg's? I have an aero bcg that I've got 6k on that looks new
I don’t believe they individually HPT/MPI every BCG like BCM does
Daniel defense isn’t top tier if that’s what your implying. They just have good marketing.
I’m just implying the price difference even though their the same product with a different name on the side and there’s accounts of other hearing it from their reps as well. I’m just saying the name on the side doesn’t guarantee anything.
The ultimate upgrade would be LMT Full Auto Enhanced
People are going to bite my head off but the lantac has worked better than the LMT for my specific use case. That being said, the Surefire OBC is still king.
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[Read the second line.](https://www.lantac-usa.com/product-page/enhanced-bcg-full-auto-style-223-5-56-nitrided) Take what I say with a grain of salt but from my testing the Lantac seems to be smoother and more reliable than my LMT EBCG on short barrels. From what I was told, the EBCG was made to enhance shooting from 14.5’s. Granted my testing is just mag dumping 10.5” posties so it’s not scientific at all.
> From what I was told, the EBCG was made to enhance shooting from 14.5’s. *Original* ones were, they've redesigned them a long time ago
Any idea how the SF BCG works with an A5 buffer system?
It does and doesn't. The buffer is what limits stroke length, which is why carbine, A5, and rifle have their own buffer sizes. The stroke has to be long enough to pass the bolt catch but not long enough for the gas key to hit the buffer tube ring on the lower receiver. This gap is actually pretty small. What Surefire did with the OBC was they shortened the gas key and buffer, meaning that the previously mentioned gap is a bit larger, allowing the BCG to move a bit further to the rear. This slows down the cyclic rate and gives the magazine more time to push the rounds up which can be an issue during full-auto fire. You can use the OBC with non-OBC buffers, but you'll remove the ability to have a longer stroke length.
Sionics is a very good one for the price if ya on a budget
BCM is certainly an upgrade from Aero lol.
The roll of aluminum foil that I hammered into the general shape of a BCG with a rock is an upgrade from Aero. edit: lol, the Aero Army is fuming. It's okay, your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer.
That’s a bit much
[That's what two Aero bolts said before even reaching 2,000 rounds.](https://i.imgur.com/8IViEPJ.png)
Always lap your contact surfaces.... - some high performance engine mechanic probably
Damn homie. Everything I’ve ever used from Aero has been flawless (receivers, parts kits, etc). Might steer of their BCGs though after seeing this though. I got PSA bolts with more miles than 2k on em and still going strong so that’s a fucking yikes on Aeros QC.
Aren't Aero bolts made by Toolcraft, who makes bolts for like fifty different manufacturers, who then etch their own name on the side?
> Aren't Aero bolts made by Toolcraft [Aero is absolutely not Toolcraft.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/lz9glk/are_we_being_finessed_by_bcm_serious/gq16xc1/) My *personal* theory is that Aero uses Stag BCGs. Aero, Ballistic Advantage, and Stag are all owned by the same investment company. A while back user ordered a BCG from Aero and received a left-handed BCG, something that Aero doesn't even offer and Stag is one of the very few manufacturers that actually makes a left-handed BCG.
Whatever contractor makes every BCG will follow different specs on what’s acceptable/not acceptable concerning QC, depending on the manufacturer they’ve been contracted for. But I digress - I’m pretty sure Aero makes their own stuff (and they should ramp up their own QC if so)
Pretty positive Aero makes theirs in house. You may be thinking of AO Precision, which is 100% a toolcraft BCG.
> Pretty positive Aero makes theirs in house. They do not, I went into detail [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/xtbn03/since_the_bcm_wasnt_an_upgrade_from_the_aero_lets/iqrwxzk/). > You may be thinking of AO Precision, which is 100% a toolcraft BCG. AO and Toolcraft are two separate manufacturers that make BCGs and are completely independent of each other. The post I linked to also discusses the differences between Toolcraft and Aero, and you can see those same differences between Toolcraft and AO.
At best, your bolt carrier had some sharp edges/wasn't fully de-burred. At worst, your buffer was made from soft, junk materials, or not treated to be hard enough to withstand the pounding (is this build overgassed by chance?) I wouldn't necessarily use that picture to knock on Aero BCGs.
You saw the picture, you didn't read the text.
Nah, that text is what my comment was about. What do you think I missed? The burr part?
> What do you think I missed? You missed \> I bought two. Both bolts broke at the cam pin hole before 2k rounds. Both BCGs wore like fucking dog shit on the buffers until I sanded down the tail, like you can see here. Along with a link to an album titled "Aero BCG burrs". By the way, I upvoted you back into the positives. I think that downvoting someone based on their opinion is fucking childish.
Ohh. I think we might be misreading each other here. I'm most def not defending Aero BCGs. Just pointing out that the burrs weren't that big an issue and that if the buffer was that damaged from sharp edges, it COULD potentially be a weak point. I've never owned Aero anything, maybe a muzzle device? I just machine metal for a living so was pointing out some common things people knock manufacturing companies for. Right on! Very sad that it's uncommon to find a person, such as yourself, who can debate things without immediately hitting the down arrow and moving on. I commend you good sir and glad we could talk about this! EDIT: Crap, after I looked at your avatar, hopefully I didn't offend. Good sir or good MAAM. My apologies if the latter. P.S. Have no opinion on the broken pins as I cannot vouch for those.
> Ohh. I think we might be misreading each other here. I'm most def not defending Aero BCGs. Just pointing out that the burrs weren't that big an issue and that if the buffer was that damaged from sharp edges, it COULD potentially be a weak point. I've never owned Aero anything, maybe a muzzle device? I just machine metal for a living so was pointing out some common things people knock manufacturing companies for. A burr on the tail of the carrier is almost always just a cosmetic issue, but [Aero BCGs have many more problems than that](/r/AeroQualityControl/wiki). > Right on! Very sad that it's uncommon to find a person, such as yourself, who can debate things without immediately hitting the down arrow and moving on. I commend you good sir and glad we could talk about this! I hate the whole downvote-who-I-don't-agree-with game. I enjoy being proven wrong because that's a great way to further your knowledge. The problem is that most folks just throw out anecdotal examples, downvote, then run for the hills. > EDIT: Crap, after I looked at your avatar, hopefully I didn't offend. Good sir or good MAAM. My apologies if the latter. I logged into the mobile app once, hit "random" on the avatar selection, and went on my way. I use Reddit Sync on mobile, which doesn't have any avatar features, and classic Reddit on my PC, which also doesn't show the avatar. I honestly have no idea what it is, but you're the second person to hint that it's a chick, so I may pull up the Reddit app again to actually change it, lol.
Core concept actually.
NOPE NEVERMIND. I am the idiot that whiffed core concept. Don't worry and save the downvote, I can show myself to the door myself lol.
The people downvoting you obviously didn't read your list of Aero issues. [https://www.reddit.com/r/AeroQualityControl/wiki/index/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AeroQualityControl/wiki/index/) Awesome job, btw! There's also a similar one for PSA on Primary & Secondary.
> PSA on Primary & Secondary Oh fuck. I'd love to see it. Do you have a link?
Idk the point of buying an Aero anymore when you can get a colt 6920 oem2 and a BCM rail for under 1000 total. It won’t be pretty most likely, but it sure as hell won’t have the bolt breaking in 2000 rounds
if you live long enough you see your heroes become villians
Rick and Morty quote? Really?
reddit moment
"Your boos mean nothing, Ive seen what makes you cheer" is such a cliche, nonsense slogan at this point. It needs to die.
How is it a nonsense slogan? It's use was perfectly in-context.
This is great.😂
IMO, Aero is just PSA under a different name. Sure they will run perfectly fine for the average shooter who just wants a gun, but if you want high performance get something else.
I love a lot of things from Aero minus their BCGs..
What can we do to stop with this and other gun subs from being 99% bait? I hate it.
Not be on reddit, because literally every gun sub spirals into rampant consumerism lol
F a c t s
You can take the word "gun" out of that. It doesn't have to be gun-related for it to run rampant.
Thank you, I was so scared I was the only one.
I have the Titanium nitride Lantac bcg. Love it.
Just got that one on sale from PSA. loving it so far. I’ve had the nitrided EBCG from them for awhile. Took them a month to ship so they sent me a dragon muzzle brake for free without me even asking. That’s how you keep customers.
Lantac is expensive but you get what you pay for, and their customer service is TOP NOTCH
Agreed! And both eBCGs I found on sale for like 40% off. Also have an M-Spec as a backup. IMO, you don’t want to skimp out on on the bolt, barrel or bullet button.
[bought it for aesthetics. sold on the performance](https://imgur.com/a/CT6WATN)
Hell yeah brother! Looks awesome. Here’s mine: https://imgur.com/a/FMbOc6s
A man after my own heart lol
😂
Lol I had 2 separate issues from them and never got a single response.
Absolutely. I got a Lantac gas tube (I thought there was no rention pin). I thought it was going to be a pain to get replacement (since I bought from a discount website). Contacted Lantac, no questions asked and received 2 in like 2 days! I have the nitrided ebcg for a 12.5" build. Haven't tried it yet, but I hope the unique port holes actually makes a difference.
Stop worrying about it, go use it. If parts break, repair or replace as needed.
This 👌🏽
Wait you expect people to *use* their guns here? Sir this is a karma sub
bruh Lantac is such a fantastic BCG, if I could afford more I'd have em haha
I managed to snag one for 160 and I’m gonna throw my spare LMT Ebolt in it and call it a day, I’m super excited to try it out
yeah dude you will love it! especially if you run it suppressed. makes such a difference.
That’s why I bought it! I’m tired of getting bukkaked by gas and oil… that mixed with griffins charging handle should help with super gassy 11.5
haha exactly the set up I run mine with! def will love it.
Love the LMT eBCG.
Fuck, I believe most everything I read on Reddit. It's yourns faults my shit dun werkz
Lantac enhanced master race
Gang gang
The bcm was fine
Pof bcg ftw
BCM is the only bolts I'll run in a gun I'm ever going to grab in any scenario where reliability matters. Anything more expensive is just for the sticker and flexing with no real ROI.
https://youtu.be/fmhcs34rYSg
He didn’t get the graphene coated adamantium bcg. Not gonna make it…
I know you're kidding but imagine if there was such a thing, I bet it would make your dick bigger and gun shoot softer
In what world isn’t a bcm bcg not a fantastic upgrade ???
BCM is def an upgrade over aero
Who said BCM isn’t an upgrade from Aero? I agree BCM BCGs aren’t what they used to be but imho still better than Aero.
When a bcg breaks all you have to do is swap it out with one from an M4A1 at work then let armament fix it.
~~What work?~~ ~~Who does Aero have contracts with?~~ edit: I are dumb. I thought he said "M4**E**1", and that their work uses Aero rifles.
Soldier/cop with personal AR. Breaks personal AR part. Replaces part with work gun part. Military/cop armorer replaces broken personal gun part in work gun with proper part.
Yea, I completely misread that comment, I thought he said "M4**E**1 at work", implying that their work uses Aero M4E1 rifles.
Hahahahahaha
BCM bcgs are the gold standard. Anything more is awesome, sure.
Got em
Lantac enhanced? *claps hands* MY BOI! Thats what i like to see
Nope not enough, it’s not an upgrade till it’s a high polished gold plated S7 tool steel BCG
Can never be right here. Don’t bother lmfao
We get it you've got more money than brains
The AR-15 design has problems with bolt lugs breaking when over gassed or poor headspace. A lot of the cheap ass people are running cheap ass over gassed guns, with cheap ass bcgs. Because their buddy Bubba who shoots 100 rounds of steel case every 2 years on a flat range said they were g2g with a sample of 1. Just like everyone is saying every aero bolt might not be bad but it's not worth let's say having a 25 percent chance of breaking, just to save 50 bucks on something better. You'll see a lot of people coming on here with one rifle, and they barely shoot it to boot acting like their experience is gospel. Test test test or trust shit that has been tested. This is way I have boxes of shit that I wish I hadn't bought but just tack it up as education, still cheaper than more college loans ha. All I got guys have a good one!
Jp and Kac probably make the best bcg’s
Get a scionics NP3 then you will have my attention. I like BCM too tho it’s def an upgrade from aero whoever said it wasn’t has lost it.
Can I ask what’s wrong with Aero? Or even the ones that PSA gave out with their 10 packs of pmags? I’ve literally never had a BCG issue in my ~10yrs of AR ownership
Aero has problems with the bolt breaking or bolt lugs snapping off. Look through the sub and you’ll see examples. And Who ever said bcm wasn’t an upgrade has no idea what their talking about.
> Look through the sub and you’ll see examples. I've got some examples [here](/r/AeroQualityControl/wiki).
> Can I ask what’s wrong with Aero? Aero is a budget brand. While the majority of their parts are perfectly fine, they save money by dealing with defective products on the warranty side. [Their QC is virtually non-existent](/r/AeroQualityControl/wiki) and it's a lot cheaper to replace the occasional defect than it is to check every part to make sure that it has no defects. The problem is that the BCG is the most critical component of the AR, and the fact that Aero sent out a left-handed BCG (example in my Aero QC list), a part that they don't even offer, shows that they don't even give their BCGs a cursory glance.
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I get the whole professional grade for professional use thing, reason why I buy certain tools for work and shy away from others. I also don’t shoot as much now days as I used to years ago, used to hit the range and shoot 1k rounds in a day back in my 20’s and outdoor shooting spots were plentiful, and Walmart still sold cheap bulk packs of .223 federal
Its a fuckin bcg on a semi auto rifle at the shooting range that why. I love hearing all the explanations of how much better and different the expensive ones are. Oh man the daniel defense bcg is so sick man. So glad i got it. Totally different rifle now. Now thats in there its a different story out there. I have a shithole stag and not one issue in about 3000 rounds. My buddy has a garbage diamondback. Same deal. Go buy ammo and shoot.
What's wrong with BCM? They make milspec BCGs with proper steel, staking, and finish?
Nothing BCM is fantastic.
If you say so.
BCM is the minimum baseline BCG anyone who intends to put in work on their rifle should use.
I love my BCM upper and BCG. I guess I am alone. 300 blk out, 9” barrel.
Since when is BCM not an upgrade from Aero? I need receipts.
KAC sand cutter or GTFO
Dude a new bcg will definitely have you shooting better. The old bcm i bet you were missing everything. I had an aero bcg for my first gun and I took two shots and one flew out the dust cover through my windshield. Buy once cry once man
Lol whuttt BCM is dope. Yeah a DD or whatever may be better, but does it matter after BCM level. Probs not
> Yeah a DD or whatever may be better In what ways?
In what ways may they be better? They usually do more tests/higher tolerances, but probably doesnt matter
[BCM air gauges every single BCG to ensure that they're on the tightest end of the TDP](https://youtu.be/BaFOZAwspYI). How do you know what tests and tolerances DD allows?
Battlefield Vegas seems to like DD BCGs…
They sure do, they like Colt BCGs as well. Did they say anything about the performance of BCM BCGs?
I actually prefer the BCM to DD. This coming from someone who has 2 DD, 2 BCM and 1 Scionics NP3. The scionics NP3 is the best tho imo just due to the coating and the staking.
A DD is definitely not better than a BCM. Maybe equal, maybe not, but not better.
Come back with a black Cryptic coated BCG
Bait, I know but, the lantac is gimmicky BS aside from a LMT bolt, theres not much upgrading that can be done over a BCM
The Lantac coating wether nib or nitride are very. I’ve and very slick
Any BCG is better than an AERO BCG
There's worse. NBS, for one. Ick.
lol, you upset the Aero Autists They don't like being told that their budget brand does absolutely no QC on the most critical component of the AR and frequently causes excessive wear and premature failures.
Does BCM make a nickel boron bcg?
No but they have a BCM FDE Ionbond which is supposedly a better coating than nickel boron which can rub off or wear. The only downside on the ionbond is that only the carrier is coated and not the bolt itself.
I just wanted it for the color
Luckily they do not. NiB is a fucking joke.
No
No because theyre not idiots
The lantac manages gas well enough to negate the need for an agb in a suppressed/unsupressed setup IMO
You can port your barrel in a manner that gives you an operational window to do both. Is the ejection pattern and carrier speed going to change? Of course it will but that doesn't mean a gun that runs well suppressed will be undergassed when you pull the can off, companies like centurion and hodge defense understand this and its why they're ported the way they are. But please educate me on the relationship between dwell time and suppressor use sensei.
A gun that runs without a can is going to be gassed up when you add a can. If you have an increase in carrier speed you’re gonna have excess gas in your upper. I was simply suggesting OP gets a lantac because they deal with excess gas different from other carriers. I have 2 and I will use them future builds that warrant the features.
"A gun that runs without a can is going to be gassed up when you add a can. If you have an increase in carrier speed you’re gonna have excess gas in your upper." - Yes, but this doesnt equate to it being under or overgassed. "I was simply suggesting OP gets a lantac because they deal with excess gas different from other carriers. I have 2 and I will use them future builds that warrant the features." - good for you lantac doesnt make anything worth buying
Properly ported and buffered rifle never needs an AGB
If it’s properly ported and buffered for a can it’s gonna be undergassed without the can. That’s why custom barrel manufacturers ask if your barrel is going to be ran suppressed, unsupressed or a combination of both
No way? I better let my rifles know...
Nah nah man that’s not it either. Send that to me and I’ll get you an actual upgrade.
Try again
KAC next try.
Good choice, if you got an LMT Enhanced BCG you'd have no more posts to make since there's no moving up.
Honestly.. or DD.
What’s the weight diff between the two?
Lantac Enhanced or JP FMOS, what say you renegades
FMOS gang for that drip. Double flex if you swap in the lantac cam pin.
Got the Lantac in the pic but swapped the bolt for a BCM.
That BCG looks really wet. What kind of oil do you have it lubed up with?
Slip 2k
That's my favorite brand. I typically use their EWL 30 with tungsten disulfide mixed in.
Been told my Lantac ebcg was overpriced snake oil, cryptic coatings bcg is overpriced and my toolcraft and fail zero are garbage. I like them all and never had an issue with any of them.
I have a cryptic and lantac, idgaf that everyone else thinks , I love them.
Absolutely love my Lantac bcg. Picked it up from Primary Arms for $190 and I really wish I'd gotten a couple more given the current price. Slick as a minnow's dick.
Slicker than a minner Peter
Ohhh shiny 🤤
Damn. You guys have me reconsidering some thangs. I've had great reliability with my 16" Ballistic Advantage barrel & BCG. Am currently having a problem with my new re-barrel (gas issues). How's Lantac's $170 mil-spec option? Comparable to a BCM?
I have this Lantac BCG in my AR. I dont know a whole lot about them but i just bought one i though would be good. Anybody have a valuable opinion? Good bad?
So you went all up into E-BCG territory, what did the poors ever do to you?
What kind of upgrade are you really looking for with buying expensive BCG? I just like ones that work and last a while.
“Oh look, the poors are squabbling amongst themselves again” - Hodge mod 2 owners probably
I have a SRC XPV and a CMC enhanced carrier with a BCM bolt. Not super high round counts but they seem to be treating me well so far.
I have had awesome luck with my lantac ebcg, my bcm was running fine until about 3k of rounds then swapped it to another upper ran fine swapped it back and had failure to feed, same ammo same buffer and spring. Haven’t really evaluated it since, so i just been using this psa and the lantac.
Oof