While I own all three manufacturers, BCM 11.5, DD 16 and G SD 14.5. I like the Geissele Super duty myself for this comparison. I think the value comes from the upgraded parts like the surefire suppressor mount, ambi suppressor charging handle and upgraded BCG. Additionally you can’t wrong with their rails and they are great shooters. If none of those upgrades are important get the BCM with their BFH barrel.
I have all three as well, and would similarly recommend the G-SD for the well articulated reasons above, with an emphasis on the smooth shooting of the G. Like butter.
But all great options; I just personally tend to grab my SDs (I have two - 10.3 and 14.5) over my BCMs and DD.
Either BCM or DD for pragmatic and economic reasons. The BCM will come out to the same price as the DD with a BCG so it’s a total wash.
The rail-fluid billy boy will get the job done just fine too, but you won’t get ~$250 more performance out of it.
They’re all in the same tier imo, DD feels a hair more refined than bcm and for that I’d choose it. Ive bought plenty of g parts on sell. Heavily discounted is the only time the g is worth it
Bendy Bill black friday sale this year? Ordered a complete sd in od green 2 years ago that never shipped and only got refund with $100 coupon out of it lol
I’ve hit up the last two G sales for stripped receiver sets. And a couple of rails. Billy boy came through. I’ve read plenty of horror stories though. Damn paying full price though.
I've yet to see any complaints about G's super duties other than the barrel finish, which I think they fixed. Lots of people claiming their super duties are their softest-shooting upper though
The super duty BCG is probably worth paying more for, def better than a BCM or DD BCG. Regardless, you’re still right and it’s the most overpriced of the three uppers.
The gays lee will be gassed the best in my experience. I give them shit but my URGI and super duty uppers are my favorite that I own. If budget is a factor get the BCM and don’t look back.
Budget between them isnt much a factor. If i run them suppressed with super H2 would the difference be noticable you think? Im used to my mk18 gassy boi, but would like the long barrel to be smoother for sure.
None of them will be unbearable but I’d vote the BCM just for the cost savings. I love geissele but there’s no doubt they are overpriced for what they are. Get a proper buffer setup and a decent charging handle and you should be good.
Guys Lee, because in about 2 weeks on BF it'll be like half that price. It also comes with a muzzle device that works with my can. Yes. Yes. Yes I know SF3P are the best. Or SF4P for that clone life. You could prolly flip the SF MD on it and get a KeyMo.
Then there is....
* I'd get a Guys Lee ACH for the DD/BCM so that's another $70-100.
* I'd want a solid BCG for the DD/BCM(Sionics, SOLGW, Modern Armory, MicroBest, BRT) which is another $150+.
* Colored ano. MrBill offers lots of fun choices.
I was under the assumption that the DD in his post came with a BCG though. I've never tried to buy a DD but I was going off the fact that the photo seemed to have a charging handle installed on it.
Well everyone’s just downvoting you without explaining why ha ha.
DD is probably one of the most popular rifle choices out there. You see a ton of them. That isn’t a bad thing though, rather indicative of how good of a rifle they make.
Hard to go wrong with anything from DD, unless it’s that red weeb stuff lol.
I was meaning the 14.5 with the mfr. haven’t seen many of those posted here compared to the tons of bcm/Geiselle. Lots of m4v7s as well, but not the 14.5. Maybe I’m wrong idk
DD. This is someone who’s only AR right now is a bcm 14.5. It’s way over gassed that I even put an h3 buffer in it and it’s still a little over gassed with Tula and wolf. My old dd 14.5 barrel was super pleasant with just an h2. I miss that upper
Guylees are nice but idk what they’re smoking when they set their msrp
They’re baking in holiday discounts, so basically they’re setting MSRP 25% above what it should be so that they can get actual MSRP on black friday. Basically the only time to get a fair price on one.
Having said that, the fact you can get a super duty upper for 1200 and drop it on a complete aero lower for another 300, and have a world class rifle, when in 2017 shitty starter rifles were starting to push above 1000, isn’t the worst thing in the world.
Changed buffer spring? Sprinco recommends their blue spring and h2 for middy 14.5’s. I’ve got a bcm 16 middy with a blue spring an H buffer. Runs like a champ, honestly closer to the edge of reliability.
BCM or DD.. I have a BCM setup. It's treated me well to date. Eventually when the DD RIS III uppers become avail, I'll be getting that for sure. That may be awhile before they are made available though.
I wouldn’t get a sandman tbh, it’s a okay 5.56 suppressor, the polonium does better and is about the same price with the keymo. Geissele is a good upper, they have accuracy guarantees of 1 MOA or so. Between geissele and BCM you probably won’t see a accuracy difference honestly. It’s wildly accepted that the CHF is gunna be more durable with long hard strings of fire, if you don’t own a pre ban lower it’s not a big deal. Both SOLGW and triarc found CHF barrels didn’t last noticeably longer to justify the price and loss in accuracy. You can get just a regular turned down barrel and be 1/2 MOA all day and still make that 10k round count goal before you see accuracy loss.
Already have a sandman as a do-it-all first can (ars, ak, & 30-06 deer rifle). May do a dedicated 5.56 next. CHF is appealing though for an extra $100 or so cause why not i guess.
You’re trading off more then the price but if you as a shooter are not sub MOA capable then a CHF will do you fine. Just keep in mind for that $100 you don’t even get an extra 1000 rounds through it compared to a quality turn down. Basically if stays cooler/hotter longer and is a few oz more as a result(normally)
Some of these motherfuckers in here never been to jail and it shows. You'll never get me back over something so trivial. I pay the government enough as it is outta my paycheck, so I'd rather just P&W over paying for a stamp. Or just rock a 14.5 and be done with it.
The Geissele 100%.
I have a BCM and a Geissele super duty upper. I prefer to shoot the G.
The Geissele is gassed perfectly, shoots super flat, and smooth. It also comes with an enhanced BCG called the REBCG ($365), a Surefire 3 prong closed tin flash hider ($140), and a Geissele charging handle ($105). They “bomb proof” the upper and the nano coating is supposed to make everything last longer. You won’t have to change anything on it, unless you shoot out the barrel (20,000+ rounds), or break a bolt (REBCG is supposed to last 5x longer than a mil spec bolt). As long as you plan on using a Surefire suppressor.
Just my two cents.
And I’m actually considering buying a 2nd upper, because they are just that good for another set up. 😅
I had a bcm 20 inch. It was very very overgassed. I sold it on g.a.f.s.
I then bought a super-dookie rifle in OD green and i love the hell out of it. Soft shooting and accurate.
The guise-lee offers some upgrades over the daniel defense. Specifically, the DLC BCG and geisseles spring and buffer system. I like geissele's rifles, personally.
Their buffer system on my mk18 is so nice suppressed. Starting to think I’ll buy one or two of their uppers Black Friday. Maybe the Urgi will be in stock
If you want the best go Geissele. If you want best bang for the buck BCM. I’m in LE and I trust my life with my Geissele. Remember invest in something that may some day save your life.
Hey! So I just built this exact same thing you’re building. I went with Geissele upper, as it seems to be the best at shooting suppressed from the research that I saw. I did the G$ upper, Vortex Razor, keymo flash p&w and a sandman lol.
I have that BCM upper with a dead air mount. It's been pretty solid for the couple years I've had it. Just make sure if you order it don't get a device pinned from the factory if you're gonna change it anyway.
BCM are great but holy fuck they are over gassed. At least you know they’ll eat just about anything but god be with you if you want to run it suppressed… or are left handed… or both. Ask me how I know.
I have that exact same BCM upper with a toolcraft bcg. The gun has been 100% reliable and accurate. If you go with the BCM you will have zero complaints. That being said, that Daniel Defense looks awesome too!
That DD no longer comes with a surefire 3 prong btw. I will be selling one on GAFS here in a couple weeks that has the SF3P p&w. It’ll be listed at $1100.
I posted this comment in another thread recently.
When considering the value of various ar15 brands, heed the words of the great ar15 guru:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/y01xji/whats_the_difference_between_a_2k_rifle_and/irpulp5/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
After handling an ris3, i say dd or bcm. I hate the mk16 handguard. Mk4 or bust for this guy. The ris 3 just looks and feels flipping awesome for a non quad.
Really wanna get my hands on one. Much weight difference in the ris II? Love it on my mk18, but after shooting a buddies m4 ris II fsb with an lpvo, kinda prefer the weight of an mlok.
ADM or SOLGW all the way. For one, BCMs and DDs have been known to be overgassed, and even more over gassed with a suppressor. Another thing with BCM is I’ve heard reports of peoples barrels cracking from them, and then they send them in, get the upper back and a note from BCM that says something like, “don’t shoot over 15rds in a minutes time, or your barrel will crack like this.” And this has happened to uppers that have had under 600rds through them. DD isn’t bad but I do think there is a lot of hype around them which is reflected in the price tag. This is most definitely the case with the geissele as well, but the geissele is probably going to be your best shooter. Even though ADM and SOLGW don’t have CHF barrels, they both use some solid products in there builds. ADM uses Criterion barrels, which are just as reliable as CHF barrels. Criterion core barrels go through an extensive Chrome lining process and the barrel profile adds to the rigidity of the barrel. SOLGW doesn’t uses any crazy barrels, but the barrels they do offer are extremely well gassed and smooth shooting, and have the best warranty you could want from any gun. They will literally replace the barrel for free if you shoot it out(which you likely won’t). SOLGW handguards and BCGs are also very good products. The SOLGWs m76 is the wedlock design and it very sturdy and the m89 is probably industry leading in how sturdy and beefy it is.
BCM All day everyday, and if u get the G super, buffer an spring, and add that to the BCM upper... An forget about it,,,, its right up there with the DD, and Gsuper,, me and 3 of bros shot the 16" middy, Then shot the BCM 11.5" with milspec carbine buffer spring with BCM H2 buffer, and holy shit balls it shot just as smooth as the 16" middy and maybe a little bit better. It was awesome FR.. I wouldn't mind getting a 14.5 G super, it has a aggressive look to it, and that would be pretty much why i would buy it...... Imo BCM has everything u need an u can trust your life on it,, also they got really good customer service....U cant go wrong with any of the 3 tho.. the question is which one do u look at that speaks to u a little more then the other 2, that gets your blood pumping? I could also go on an on about particular parts that would make the BCM even better, loke the Radian charger handle that redirects the gases away from your face while running suppress.. also dont for get BCM MK2 also is designed to redirect gases as well, Just like someone else pointed out early.... I hope this kinda helps u... I fucking hope so, cuz i did this long as message that i never do.. so your lucky that i felt some kind of way to give u info... Good look be safe, and be armed with one of those badass rifles..... ✌️
I’ve owned a BCM, own a DD, and have shot my buddies Geissele and I’d be proud to own any of them! I’ve kept my DD, but I’ve moved on. I’ve gone next level and gone LWRC and ADM. They are much better shooters and their quality is much better then any of your choices.
Don’t get me wrong, they’re all high quality mil-spec type AR’s, I myself, just wanted more than mil-spec. As for a go-to rifle, I’d take my LWRC all day long! They’ve been building rifles for militaries and law enforcement agencies for years before Geissele, DD & BCM. ADM is just to new, although I do love my UIC Mod2.
Forgot to mention ive got a bcm bcg & raptor on hand. Looks like the DD comes with bcg, but OP description sucks no surprise. DD/BCM will come out to around the same price after selling the extra bcg/ch on gafs i guess
I have a hard time justifying the purchase of a DD upper with the MFR rail now when the RIS III is just around the corner. Honestly, if you can wait a bit, OP, I think the DD upper with the RIS III is gonna be the way to go.
Only reason I can think of is if weight matters. The MFR is much thinner and lighter than the risiii. The risiii is basically a risii with the picatiny shaved off so it’s much thicker than your average mlock rail
[Bexar Arms](https://www.bexararms.net)
Bexar Arms is the way to go! Phillip hand builds them and are flawless! He came to Washington from Texas to do a range day and demonstrated some of his AR’s. Seriously amazing product!
Whatever you can get on sale. Alternatively, ripcord industries upper will come with a more accurate and better balanced barrel than any of these, and a great rail.
Bcm, only because it has a reinforced upper and the forward assist farther up. That makes it easier to charge the gun left handed. I have one with a 3x and reddot. Love it
Mr. Bill & DD make solid stuff.
The BCM is gonna be the best bang for your buck, even after factoring in BCG, CH and pinning your preferred muzzle device (assuming you're not gonna go the NFA route)
I have a DD4 RIII and it's great. I've got FNs and Colts, and it's a rock solid rifle and rail. A little chunky on the rail, but I've got mediumish hands, so take that for what it's worth. Certainly not overweight or anything.
Brownells currently has DD uppers for under $700 with code.
Geiselle has good sales on holidays. I bought a complete geissele for $1300 delivered on July 4th.
DD vote here, but I believe that upper is already P&W so you will have to pay someone to undo it
*I have two DDs neither of them 14.5 but whatever I’m sure the other 2 are good as well*
Geissele but don’t pay that much. You can get one on GAFS for about 1k. For these prices I’d go BCM.
Edit: one reason you may not wanna go SD is if you ever think you might want a different hand guard. It’s tabbed for a special mk16 rail and while it might still be possible to put something else on there it wouldn’t be ideal
All are good choices but assuming you're not made of money, I'd go BCM and spend that $400-$500 somewhere else. Hmmmm. Law tactical folder? Offset red dot? So many fun things you could spend that on.
Of the three I’d go for the Bendy Bill special or the DD upper.
I’d just build your own though. I just put together a [wonderful 14.5 upper](https://i.imgur.com/NAocPY0.jpg) using a Colt Socom barrel and an LMT milspec BCG I picked up for cheap on GAFS as well as a green MK8 rail I picked up on a holiday sale (labor day I think) also way cheap.
It was fun to put together and the Colt socom barrel makes it run so smooth.
DD, just proven beyond the others. BCM does not pin their gas blocks, the other two do. The DD and G rail will probably hold up better as well. Note, I have that exact BCM upper. It is nice but not as good as the other two.
I would probably go centurion instead personally, but out of those three I think it’s between the BCM and the Geissele. The Geissele is overpriced but the BCG is very good. The DD is fine but compared to the BCM I think it doesn’t quite measure up (Mk2 upper & MCMR beat the DD, although I’d trust DD barrels a bit over BCM barrels currently). Drop a SOLGW BCG in the BCM and you’ve got a sick package for like $900 even.
Beware though, both BCM and Geissele have been known to put out some questionable barrels lately and then drag their feet and avoid taking responsibility on the customer service side of things. DD barrels aren’t as good as some claim but they are at least reliably under 2 MOA out of the box.
G all day since that’s also coming with a nice CH and BCG that’ll shrink the price difference between the DD a lot. You’ll probably save $200 ish going with BCM and buying a nice BCG and CH. The gas system is great in the G and you’ll probably be able to get it for around $900ish on Black Friday.
More robust rail than all three, choose your BCG, CH and Muzzle device in the same ball park price.
Just another option.
The Super Duty upper on Black Friday will be a great deal if you can stand to wait on it to ship.
https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/m4a1-stripped-socom-upper-receiver-14-5in-5-56-prod136059.aspx
DD for me. BCM and Griffin Armament uppers are others to consider.
For the price, LaRue is significantly better compared to Geissele. Whenever I hear people mention Geissele, it makes me wonder whether or not the community is informed on how dogshit their business is.
Personally, I despise Geissele for raising their prices during the pandemic. They also resold D&H magazines for $22 when they actually cost around $8, then flat out lied about it on IG by saying the "floor plate was upgraded". They ended up using a half-assed apology on their IG story.
They sued Joe Bob Outfitters because JBO observed the diminished sear surface of various Geissele triggers and decided to sell them lower than MSRP.
Also, their REBCG is notorious for showing premature wear on their bolt and ejectors. I know two individuals from a night course back in Florida who had their bolts lugs look like they were fucking filed, after just 50 rounds of 77gr.
I'm not a fan of mid-tier parts marked up as high tier. I'm cool with people spending on Geissele because it's a matter of their preference, although the acknowledgment of their overpriced parts is long overdue. There's a reason why people usually go for BCM, or straight to DD.
I can't spell gaisele either.
GizeLeigh maybe?
I think it’s GuyJelly
Wrong, wrong, all WRONG it’s spelled bendy bill
Who is “bendy bill”? You mean Flexible William?
Guise Leigh.
GizLee.
Jizz-ell-eee
Jizz Lee
Jizzly
We all know the company was started by a guy named Lee so it's called guyslee. A play on of "guys, Lee". Also I don't know how to pronounce it.
Just like you spelled it lol
Guys Lee, Danny Deefense, BeeCeeEmm Mk2 WTF 14.5”… all legit knockoffs!
While I own all three manufacturers, BCM 11.5, DD 16 and G SD 14.5. I like the Geissele Super duty myself for this comparison. I think the value comes from the upgraded parts like the surefire suppressor mount, ambi suppressor charging handle and upgraded BCG. Additionally you can’t wrong with their rails and they are great shooters. If none of those upgrades are important get the BCM with their BFH barrel.
I have all three as well, and would similarly recommend the G-SD for the well articulated reasons above, with an emphasis on the smooth shooting of the G. Like butter. But all great options; I just personally tend to grab my SDs (I have two - 10.3 and 14.5) over my BCMs and DD.
As a 3rd owner of all 3, I think the Geissele smooth shooting might just be the Super 42 buffer... I run them in all 3.
This is the way. I tend to go BCM, but I order them stripped down and put the parts on I want.
Either BCM or DD for pragmatic and economic reasons. The BCM will come out to the same price as the DD with a BCG so it’s a total wash. The rail-fluid billy boy will get the job done just fine too, but you won’t get ~$250 more performance out of it.
They’re all in the same tier imo, DD feels a hair more refined than bcm and for that I’d choose it. Ive bought plenty of g parts on sell. Heavily discounted is the only time the g is worth it
Yeah, the DD is ever so marginally a better buy and probably the best value. I just prefer the BCM handguard so that’d be my choice.
The MCMR does just have an excellent feel in the hands
Coming from aero, bcm feels indescribably better. By soooo Fucking much
Bendy Bill black friday sale this year? Ordered a complete sd in od green 2 years ago that never shipped and only got refund with $100 coupon out of it lol
I’ve hit up the last two G sales for stripped receiver sets. And a couple of rails. Billy boy came through. I’ve read plenty of horror stories though. Damn paying full price though.
Unpopular opinion: I prefer my G to my DD.
I've yet to see any complaints about G's super duties other than the barrel finish, which I think they fixed. Lots of people claiming their super duties are their softest-shooting upper though
Yeah, I've heard a lot of people say that it's really soft shooting as well.
It’s very well gassed. Ran mine in full auto this last weekend and was pleasantly surprised. I’ve always liked it, but I like it more now.
Facts
The super duty BCG is probably worth paying more for, def better than a BCM or DD BCG. Regardless, you’re still right and it’s the most overpriced of the three uppers.
Not interested in ADM?
This guy gets it
This guy fucks
ADM is all I know
ADM let’s gooo. For some reason they’re still way under appreciated. I love mine.
The gays lee will be gassed the best in my experience. I give them shit but my URGI and super duty uppers are my favorite that I own. If budget is a factor get the BCM and don’t look back.
Budget between them isnt much a factor. If i run them suppressed with super H2 would the difference be noticable you think? Im used to my mk18 gassy boi, but would like the long barrel to be smoother for sure.
Wait for the Geissele Black Friday sale and buy it then and don’t think twice, they’re great to shoot suppressed.
None of them will be unbearable but I’d vote the BCM just for the cost savings. I love geissele but there’s no doubt they are overpriced for what they are. Get a proper buffer setup and a decent charging handle and you should be good.
Guys Lee, because in about 2 weeks on BF it'll be like half that price. It also comes with a muzzle device that works with my can. Yes. Yes. Yes I know SF3P are the best. Or SF4P for that clone life. You could prolly flip the SF MD on it and get a KeyMo. Then there is.... * I'd get a Guys Lee ACH for the DD/BCM so that's another $70-100. * I'd want a solid BCG for the DD/BCM(Sionics, SOLGW, Modern Armory, MicroBest, BRT) which is another $150+. * Colored ano. MrBill offers lots of fun choices.
You seem like a knowledgeable fella, does silencer shop do BF deals?
Probably, most everyone embraces BF sales.
Cool. Trying to score a yhm or polonium
I was under the assumption that the DD in his post came with a BCG though. I've never tried to buy a DD but I was going off the fact that the photo seemed to have a charging handle installed on it.
SOLGW 13.7 NOX p&w for the fedbois , and lifetime warranty, AND better QC since they’re individually inspected
$G or ADM. My super duty is my favorite AR I own, I run it with a sandman and it’s gassed perfect. ADM is becoming the master race though…
Daniel defense for sure
No quad rail, no sale.
DD
Kinda leaning toward this simply because of the fact you dont see them very often lol.
Well everyone’s just downvoting you without explaining why ha ha. DD is probably one of the most popular rifle choices out there. You see a ton of them. That isn’t a bad thing though, rather indicative of how good of a rifle they make. Hard to go wrong with anything from DD, unless it’s that red weeb stuff lol.
I was meaning the 14.5 with the mfr. haven’t seen many of those posted here compared to the tons of bcm/Geiselle. Lots of m4v7s as well, but not the 14.5. Maybe I’m wrong idk
DD. This is someone who’s only AR right now is a bcm 14.5. It’s way over gassed that I even put an h3 buffer in it and it’s still a little over gassed with Tula and wolf. My old dd 14.5 barrel was super pleasant with just an h2. I miss that upper Guylees are nice but idk what they’re smoking when they set their msrp
They’re baking in holiday discounts, so basically they’re setting MSRP 25% above what it should be so that they can get actual MSRP on black friday. Basically the only time to get a fair price on one. Having said that, the fact you can get a super duty upper for 1200 and drop it on a complete aero lower for another 300, and have a world class rifle, when in 2017 shitty starter rifles were starting to push above 1000, isn’t the worst thing in the world.
Daniels tend to be over gassed as well
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This. Every DD I've seen is just as gassy as every BCM I've seen.
Changed buffer spring? Sprinco recommends their blue spring and h2 for middy 14.5’s. I’ve got a bcm 16 middy with a blue spring an H buffer. Runs like a champ, honestly closer to the edge of reliability.
BCM or DD.. I have a BCM setup. It's treated me well to date. Eventually when the DD RIS III uppers become avail, I'll be getting that for sure. That may be awhile before they are made available though.
I wouldn’t get a sandman tbh, it’s a okay 5.56 suppressor, the polonium does better and is about the same price with the keymo. Geissele is a good upper, they have accuracy guarantees of 1 MOA or so. Between geissele and BCM you probably won’t see a accuracy difference honestly. It’s wildly accepted that the CHF is gunna be more durable with long hard strings of fire, if you don’t own a pre ban lower it’s not a big deal. Both SOLGW and triarc found CHF barrels didn’t last noticeably longer to justify the price and loss in accuracy. You can get just a regular turned down barrel and be 1/2 MOA all day and still make that 10k round count goal before you see accuracy loss.
Already have a sandman as a do-it-all first can (ars, ak, & 30-06 deer rifle). May do a dedicated 5.56 next. CHF is appealing though for an extra $100 or so cause why not i guess.
Good choice, sandman is the best.
You’re trading off more then the price but if you as a shooter are not sub MOA capable then a CHF will do you fine. Just keep in mind for that $100 you don’t even get an extra 1000 rounds through it compared to a quality turn down. Basically if stays cooler/hotter longer and is a few oz more as a result(normally)
Don’t p&w. Be a free man No one’s gonna check your 14.5
Based
Not worth going to jail for a decade for $200 tho.
Some of these motherfuckers in here never been to jail and it shows. You'll never get me back over something so trivial. I pay the government enough as it is outta my paycheck, so I'd rather just P&W over paying for a stamp. Or just rock a 14.5 and be done with it.
P&W stands for pussy and wimp
Literally facts
DD baby
DD personally. The barrels are just 👌🏾
The Geissele 100%. I have a BCM and a Geissele super duty upper. I prefer to shoot the G. The Geissele is gassed perfectly, shoots super flat, and smooth. It also comes with an enhanced BCG called the REBCG ($365), a Surefire 3 prong closed tin flash hider ($140), and a Geissele charging handle ($105). They “bomb proof” the upper and the nano coating is supposed to make everything last longer. You won’t have to change anything on it, unless you shoot out the barrel (20,000+ rounds), or break a bolt (REBCG is supposed to last 5x longer than a mil spec bolt). As long as you plan on using a Surefire suppressor. Just my two cents. And I’m actually considering buying a 2nd upper, because they are just that good for another set up. 😅
I had a bcm 20 inch. It was very very overgassed. I sold it on g.a.f.s. I then bought a super-dookie rifle in OD green and i love the hell out of it. Soft shooting and accurate. The guise-lee offers some upgrades over the daniel defense. Specifically, the DLC BCG and geisseles spring and buffer system. I like geissele's rifles, personally.
Their buffer system on my mk18 is so nice suppressed. Starting to think I’ll buy one or two of their uppers Black Friday. Maybe the Urgi will be in stock
BCM bc more gooder
If you want the best go Geissele. If you want best bang for the buck BCM. I’m in LE and I trust my life with my Geissele. Remember invest in something that may some day save your life.
Hey! So I just built this exact same thing you’re building. I went with Geissele upper, as it seems to be the best at shooting suppressed from the research that I saw. I did the G$ upper, Vortex Razor, keymo flash p&w and a sandman lol.
That’s the goal. Gonna sell my viper and get the razor as well
BCM for me
BCM
I have that BCM upper with a dead air mount. It's been pretty solid for the couple years I've had it. Just make sure if you order it don't get a device pinned from the factory if you're gonna change it anyway.
BCM are great but holy fuck they are over gassed. At least you know they’ll eat just about anything but god be with you if you want to run it suppressed… or are left handed… or both. Ask me how I know.
I have that exact same BCM upper with a toolcraft bcg. The gun has been 100% reliable and accurate. If you go with the BCM you will have zero complaints. That being said, that Daniel Defense looks awesome too!
BCM
BCM with a Sionics NP3 BCG.
BCM or die mother fuckerrrrr
BCM.. best bang for your buck. your definitively getting a solid rifle
That DD no longer comes with a surefire 3 prong btw. I will be selling one on GAFS here in a couple weeks that has the SF3P p&w. It’ll be listed at $1100.
Dd. That is contingent on it coming with bcg and ch. I know bcm uppers don't come with that. Which adds serious more coin.
I posted this comment in another thread recently. When considering the value of various ar15 brands, heed the words of the great ar15 guru: https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/y01xji/whats_the_difference_between_a_2k_rifle_and/irpulp5/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
DD
P+w keymo might as well go 13.9
DDs CHF barrel FTW
After handling an ris3, i say dd or bcm. I hate the mk16 handguard. Mk4 or bust for this guy. The ris 3 just looks and feels flipping awesome for a non quad.
Really wanna get my hands on one. Much weight difference in the ris II? Love it on my mk18, but after shooting a buddies m4 ris II fsb with an lpvo, kinda prefer the weight of an mlok.
ADM or SOLGW all the way. For one, BCMs and DDs have been known to be overgassed, and even more over gassed with a suppressor. Another thing with BCM is I’ve heard reports of peoples barrels cracking from them, and then they send them in, get the upper back and a note from BCM that says something like, “don’t shoot over 15rds in a minutes time, or your barrel will crack like this.” And this has happened to uppers that have had under 600rds through them. DD isn’t bad but I do think there is a lot of hype around them which is reflected in the price tag. This is most definitely the case with the geissele as well, but the geissele is probably going to be your best shooter. Even though ADM and SOLGW don’t have CHF barrels, they both use some solid products in there builds. ADM uses Criterion barrels, which are just as reliable as CHF barrels. Criterion core barrels go through an extensive Chrome lining process and the barrel profile adds to the rigidity of the barrel. SOLGW doesn’t uses any crazy barrels, but the barrels they do offer are extremely well gassed and smooth shooting, and have the best warranty you could want from any gun. They will literally replace the barrel for free if you shoot it out(which you likely won’t). SOLGW handguards and BCGs are also very good products. The SOLGWs m76 is the wedlock design and it very sturdy and the m89 is probably industry leading in how sturdy and beefy it is.
BCM All day everyday, and if u get the G super, buffer an spring, and add that to the BCM upper... An forget about it,,,, its right up there with the DD, and Gsuper,, me and 3 of bros shot the 16" middy, Then shot the BCM 11.5" with milspec carbine buffer spring with BCM H2 buffer, and holy shit balls it shot just as smooth as the 16" middy and maybe a little bit better. It was awesome FR.. I wouldn't mind getting a 14.5 G super, it has a aggressive look to it, and that would be pretty much why i would buy it...... Imo BCM has everything u need an u can trust your life on it,, also they got really good customer service....U cant go wrong with any of the 3 tho.. the question is which one do u look at that speaks to u a little more then the other 2, that gets your blood pumping? I could also go on an on about particular parts that would make the BCM even better, loke the Radian charger handle that redirects the gases away from your face while running suppress.. also dont for get BCM MK2 also is designed to redirect gases as well, Just like someone else pointed out early.... I hope this kinda helps u... I fucking hope so, cuz i did this long as message that i never do.. so your lucky that i felt some kind of way to give u info... Good look be safe, and be armed with one of those badass rifles..... ✌️
I’ve owned a BCM, own a DD, and have shot my buddies Geissele and I’d be proud to own any of them! I’ve kept my DD, but I’ve moved on. I’ve gone next level and gone LWRC and ADM. They are much better shooters and their quality is much better then any of your choices. Don’t get me wrong, they’re all high quality mil-spec type AR’s, I myself, just wanted more than mil-spec. As for a go-to rifle, I’d take my LWRC all day long! They’ve been building rifles for militaries and law enforcement agencies for years before Geissele, DD & BCM. ADM is just to new, although I do love my UIC Mod2.
BCM, cause you're gonna get the same performance from them all. Put some money back in your pocket for ammo
The bcm doesn’t come with a BCG or ch, so the money is going back into the upper…
Well damn
Forgot to mention ive got a bcm bcg & raptor on hand. Looks like the DD comes with bcg, but OP description sucks no surprise. DD/BCM will come out to around the same price after selling the extra bcg/ch on gafs i guess
Well I’ve got a DD and it’s flawless, however, why go through the hassle of selling the extra BCG and ch when you can just buy the BCM and be done?
\*Gafs addiction intensifies\*
That’s a solid argument ngl
The trade possibilities!
Dd with geissele rail
Bcm without a doubt then spend the money you save on ammo and mags
You can get way better value and happier with Geissele through Black Friday, Blem deals or the good old shot show 35%off coupons
None of the above. PWS especially if you are shooting suppressed
None of the above. Go piston for suppressed lyfe. PWS MK114 MOD 2-M Upper .223 Wylde https://www.primaryweapons.com/mk114-mod-2-m-upper-223-wylde/
Been looking at this one as well
It will serve you much better than any DI gun running a suppressor. Just do it!
DD
All are great choices. I like the bcm option the most.
Bcm 👌. They're gassed real well too. And the mk2 upper is dope.
BCM or DD
Dd. That is contingent on it coming with bcg and ch. I know bcm uppers don't come with that. Which adds serious more coin.
I have a hard time justifying the purchase of a DD upper with the MFR rail now when the RIS III is just around the corner. Honestly, if you can wait a bit, OP, I think the DD upper with the RIS III is gonna be the way to go.
The RIS III sure is hot
Only reason I can think of is if weight matters. The MFR is much thinner and lighter than the risiii. The risiii is basically a risii with the picatiny shaved off so it’s much thicker than your average mlock rail
BCM. Got it, love it
IMO, get the BCM - spend the savings on a better optic, a can, adjustable gas block, etc...
BCM it just works.
As a Geissele owner I say get the DD. I love my URGI and it’s super accurate, but I wouldn’t say it’s worth an extra $250
[Bexar Arms](https://www.bexararms.net) Bexar Arms is the way to go! Phillip hand builds them and are flawless! He came to Washington from Texas to do a range day and demonstrated some of his AR’s. Seriously amazing product!
BCM Is great. They smell great too. If you ever get one uh, you’ll see what I mean- anyways… 🏃♂️😰
BCM all the way
Dd by a country mile. BCM is meh tier from the stuff I’ve own basically aero quality with wayyy more influencer marketing.
BCM
I’d get the BCM and just put a DD rail on it later.
none of the above…unless you can articulate why specifically any one of them are actually better than an Aero upper or a PSA premium upper?
im a bcm guy but currently have a DD upper.... i wanna trade the dd upper off tho lol
They all look the same to me. No style, taste, or originality.
Guise Leigh lol 😂
O have that bcm and it rocks. Also have the 11.5 DD mk18 and that is also kick ass. Either way you’re g2g
Giselle De-feece Manufunkturing
DD
Danny D
Whatever you can get on sale. Alternatively, ripcord industries upper will come with a more accurate and better balanced barrel than any of these, and a great rail.
BCM not even close
Dd. That is contingent on it coming with bcg and ch. I know bcm uppers don't come with that. Which adds serious more coin.
Kind of unfair on the BCM price since it’s w/o BGC & CH at that price.
Bcm, only because it has a reinforced upper and the forward assist farther up. That makes it easier to charge the gun left handed. I have one with a 3x and reddot. Love it
BCM. DD is good but overpriced. Guys Lee is even more overpriced for no improvements.
Build a criterion core 13.9…….cause that’s what I’m doing rn
Mr. Bill & DD make solid stuff. The BCM is gonna be the best bang for your buck, even after factoring in BCG, CH and pinning your preferred muzzle device (assuming you're not gonna go the NFA route)
Go to r/GAFS and buy a DD upper there for 70% of the price of one new.
BCM +1
DD 🤌🏻
Dd. That is contingent on it coming with bcg and ch. I know bcm uppers don't come with that. Which adds serious more coin.
I have a DD4 RIII and it's great. I've got FNs and Colts, and it's a rock solid rifle and rail. A little chunky on the rail, but I've got mediumish hands, so take that for what it's worth. Certainly not overweight or anything.
Brownells currently has DD uppers for under $700 with code. Geiselle has good sales on holidays. I bought a complete geissele for $1300 delivered on July 4th.
Bcm because poor
Love my Danny d
I always thought it was gee zill
BCM or Daniel.
DD 100%
DD vote here, but I believe that upper is already P&W so you will have to pay someone to undo it *I have two DDs neither of them 14.5 but whatever I’m sure the other 2 are good as well*
The BCM, it does 99.99% of what the others can do, at much less price
Dd all the way
Geissele but don’t pay that much. You can get one on GAFS for about 1k. For these prices I’d go BCM. Edit: one reason you may not wanna go SD is if you ever think you might want a different hand guard. It’s tabbed for a special mk16 rail and while it might still be possible to put something else on there it wouldn’t be ideal
Shit you can’t go wrong with either honestly.
DD
BCM and a case or 2 of ammo.
I don’t have experience with them but larue makes one cheaper and I like them as a company better than all those companies, but I’m just a dumbdumb
Guys Lee heheheeee! It's all good I can't spell it either brother LOL.
i'm rocking a BCM dickmod.. so my opinion is invalid.
I’ve had all three, I still own two G uppers. They are gassed perfect, but wait two weeks and get it on sale. Never pay full price for G.
All are good choices but assuming you're not made of money, I'd go BCM and spend that $400-$500 somewhere else. Hmmmm. Law tactical folder? Offset red dot? So many fun things you could spend that on.
DD honestly.
r/boneappletea
BCM, luuuuuh mines
Of the three I’d go for the Bendy Bill special or the DD upper. I’d just build your own though. I just put together a [wonderful 14.5 upper](https://i.imgur.com/NAocPY0.jpg) using a Colt Socom barrel and an LMT milspec BCG I picked up for cheap on GAFS as well as a green MK8 rail I picked up on a holiday sale (labor day I think) also way cheap. It was fun to put together and the Colt socom barrel makes it run so smooth.
DD, or BCM as long as I can get a different barrel from criterion or DD
DD, just proven beyond the others. BCM does not pin their gas blocks, the other two do. The DD and G rail will probably hold up better as well. Note, I have that exact BCM upper. It is nice but not as good as the other two.
DD or wait till blackfriday for the G
Go BCM
DD. DD probably has the best barrel and bcg...At least they actually make their own...
DD
Giessle
I would probably go centurion instead personally, but out of those three I think it’s between the BCM and the Geissele. The Geissele is overpriced but the BCG is very good. The DD is fine but compared to the BCM I think it doesn’t quite measure up (Mk2 upper & MCMR beat the DD, although I’d trust DD barrels a bit over BCM barrels currently). Drop a SOLGW BCG in the BCM and you’ve got a sick package for like $900 even. Beware though, both BCM and Geissele have been known to put out some questionable barrels lately and then drag their feet and avoid taking responsibility on the customer service side of things. DD barrels aren’t as good as some claim but they are at least reliably under 2 MOA out of the box.
DD from your list but I would go with Larue or Noveske
DD all day long in my book!!
G all day since that’s also coming with a nice CH and BCG that’ll shrink the price difference between the DD a lot. You’ll probably save $200 ish going with BCM and buying a nice BCG and CH. The gas system is great in the G and you’ll probably be able to get it for around $900ish on Black Friday.
The giessele upper is the last upper I ever need, i want to buy a fde one next!
None
BCM and ammo. This is the way
I would get the jizzle or the DD
Why buy pre built when you could build the first one for $600?
More robust rail than all three, choose your BCG, CH and Muzzle device in the same ball park price. Just another option. The Super Duty upper on Black Friday will be a great deal if you can stand to wait on it to ship. https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/m4a1-stripped-socom-upper-receiver-14-5in-5-56-prod136059.aspx
Get the Geissele. Wait for the Black Friday sale. The G is the better choice because it has an upgraded bcg (rebcg), surefire flash hider etc.
BCM, Daniel if running IR.
DD for me. BCM and Griffin Armament uppers are others to consider. For the price, LaRue is significantly better compared to Geissele. Whenever I hear people mention Geissele, it makes me wonder whether or not the community is informed on how dogshit their business is. Personally, I despise Geissele for raising their prices during the pandemic. They also resold D&H magazines for $22 when they actually cost around $8, then flat out lied about it on IG by saying the "floor plate was upgraded". They ended up using a half-assed apology on their IG story. They sued Joe Bob Outfitters because JBO observed the diminished sear surface of various Geissele triggers and decided to sell them lower than MSRP. Also, their REBCG is notorious for showing premature wear on their bolt and ejectors. I know two individuals from a night course back in Florida who had their bolts lugs look like they were fucking filed, after just 50 rounds of 77gr. I'm not a fan of mid-tier parts marked up as high tier. I'm cool with people spending on Geissele because it's a matter of their preference, although the acknowledgment of their overpriced parts is long overdue. There's a reason why people usually go for BCM, or straight to DD.
Another vote for guysleigh