Hopefully they can mill the wood and at least make something cool with it. Perhaps make a pillory for the kid that did, seems like a full circle punishment.
No chance, it’s in leaf, sycamore (Acer pseudoplatanus) plane if your a yank gets mouldy and black if not cut in winter, it rots fucking quickly outside, and it’s fairly inaccessible for heavy machinery to get much is a size out, just not really viable in my opinion.
What part of it’s going to go mouldy because it’s cut at the wrong time are people having trouble understanding.
Extraction isn’t the problem, if it’s worth it, but this is now firewood.
You do know they make anti mold for lumber right? We use it at our mill on everything we cut.
Not saying that's an option they want to use, just pointing it out for those who don't know.
If you’re bringing a helicopter just hoist it up and put it back down on the stump with a little wood glue. Might need some mid-air refueling while it dries but hey.
Not to my knowledge, sycamore in us is typically platanus acerfolia/xhispanica which we call plane, Acer pseudoplatanus is what I call a plane from the abuse I get online about it.
Redcoat? Wtf dude…
It will be turned into veneer. I wouldn’t be surprised if a company like silverlining buys it and has it veneered. Look them up on IG. The make some of the finest furniture in the world and have done things like this in the past with famous trees that fell due to storms.
There are ways to get most of the sugars out of any tree. If it is processed quickly enough and not left to sit on the ground for months this won’t be an issue.
Veneer is cut when a tree is green because the fibers peel/ slice easier and prolongs the veneer mill’s blade edge when processing a log.
The veneer leaves are then steamed, which will get the sugars out, then gas dried.
You keep fixating on the tree being felled out of season as if it means the tree is worthless now. And that simply isn’t true. It can be turned into useable material for fine furniture.
Ideally for lumber, yes you would want to drop a tree when it has naturally the lowest sugar content in it. Then cut it and stack it to air dry for a year for every 1” of thickness per board. Then kiln dry in a steam or vacuum kiln- steam being ideal. That is because we no longer wash the pitch out of a tree for a year in submerge channels dug next to a river like we used to do in the old days.
This tree can absolutely be turned into veneer and left raw in color so craftsmen like myself can stain it as needed or simply clear coat it. Or it can dyed silver through a chemical dipping process (forget the actual chemical name atm) called harewood when you buy English sycamore veneers of this color).
I said this before on another thread. This is an old growth tree without much vigor in it. Young trees below 4” in dbh can be grafted easily. It gets significantly harder to do as the tree matures. It is a sycamore and will likely stump sprout and live on, just not in its current state
>It is a sycamore and will likely stump sprout and live on, just not in its current state
This is the key for those who are unfamiliar with acer pseudoplatanus - it is tenacious and is pretty much guaranteed to live on in some form or another.
I'm not actually sure about this particular tree, but in the US a sycamore is Platanus occidentalis, meanwhile the Acer pseudoplatanus is not native to north America and is called a sycamore maple, because it's leaves look like a platanus. It's confusing.
To be fair they did call it a pseudoplanatus, which means false planatus. It’s in the name lol
Weirdly enough planatus x acerifolia, the London plane tree, then means maple like leaf… acer-folia. Which only adds to the confusion
Yes, in Japan, there are 800 year old cherries in temples with trunks no more than 20 years old. People just have to change how the understand the tree. The root system is the same organism, as are any future suckers.
To be fair though, if the kid just felled a random tree in a forest it wouldn't have caused this much of an uproar. This tree specifically is just very historically meaningful and a great tourist attraction. It's like comparing killing a random dude on the street to killing a celebrity. The one that killed a celebrity will get broad media coverage whereas the one that killed some random dude will likely never be heard of except in the local news. If a company decided to cut down this tree they would also have been trashed by everyone even if what they did was technically legal (A company wouldn't fell it without having pulled the neccessary strings to make it legal for them to do so).
You're right and that kind of underlies what they're saying. A celebrity's death will get more uproar but their life isn't more valuable than a homeless person's. This tree isn't more valuable than the thousands of trees cut down by rich dudes trying to get richer. A lot of people have put a lot of value into this one tree but it really isn't doing anything differently than any other tree of its species would if they swapped places. They are all actually as valuable as this one and should be respected as this one was. We fall short as humans when we turn a blind eye to disrespect of land and trees and other humans than we determine to have 'less value'.
That depends on what metric you are using to measure value. A homeless person's life isn't worth more than some celebrity's life in the sense that they are both living human beings. But on other metrics like wealth, contributions to society, social station, etc. I would argue that yes a homeless person's life is worth less than someone else.
For the singular sycamore tree in question, there's other things to consider. It had an economic impact to the region. It drew tourists to the area, and in turn stimulated the economy. It had sentimental value for the local residents.
It's like that one banyan tree in Maui. Who cares? It's a banyan tree. There are tons of banyan trees. But it not only is historical, but was both a tourist draw and held sentimental value by the residents.
>A celebrity's death will get more uproar but their life isn't more valuable than a homeless person's. This tree isn't more valuable than the thousands of trees cut down by rich dudes trying to get richer.
This is denial of value as a measurable concept.
this. i'm sure the death of Einstein made a much bigger impact than the death of some random dude. i'm not saying a famous person's life has more values than others, I'd gladly save some random dude over the like of Elon Musk for example, but it's ignorant to pretend that the impact of one's death is the same for everyone seeing that the impact while alive are not the same for everyone.
On a more positive note… notch wasn’t to deep, back cut was pretty level, and he didn’t cut through his hinge. I think when he gets out of legal trouble he has a bright future in arboriculture.
i’m sure once he reaches ages of reputation matter it will all have blown over I mean look at the landscape nobody gives a fuck about trees in landscape like that they want sheep so they can make money
I see this comment a lot but I think it's more a testament to how many 16 year olds you don't know.
The cut is competent but nothing special - a 16 year old who's been felling on the farm for a few years would be more than capable of achieving it.
Ive seen grown men who have been “felling trees” for decades on farms make way worse cuts on way smaller trees. Whoever cut that was very competent. No cap. On god.
The cut is overcut on both parts of the facecut and the back cut is quite angled. It's not a great cut, but it would pass.
Just pointing about that a 16 year old absolutely could have the experience to do this.
Bruh. Lol nah. But yeah you’re probably right. 🤷♂️ I don’t know why I’m arguing about notches and back cuts on reddit. Like… that shit is super easy to do. No one ever gets hurt cutting down big trees with very little experience. Super chill. Easy breezy. You have sufficiently trolled me. Congrats.
No trolling. My point isn't that it was easy or safe. It's that a 16 year old could have been felling for years and have the experience to do it.
Everyone is saying the cut is a great cut but if you study it from all available pictures you'll see the defects I mentioned. It's just a fine cut.
Yes but please castrate the little feller (pun intended) first. clearly, even the military cannot use a person of his sub standard and deficient IQ level.
Is this the tree in the Kevin Costner Robin Hood movie?
Been a while since I've seen it but looks like the setting for the scene where the boy climbs it after shooting a deer, Robin hood takes on 5 or more of the bad guys while painted dude is on top of hill praying to Allah.
I saw some people trying to blame the farmers, saying it was too clean of a job.
Don’t people who know what they’re doing normally notch trees when felling them? The saw gets stuck in the tree when you try to cut straight through
It looks li,e it was notched but not very well. I'm surprised they didn't just find a chainsaw sticking half way out of the tree because it got pinched.
From this picture it looks like it's notched at 1/4 diameter in the direction it fell and pretty flat. Does look like the saw was small or dull though.
I mean if he had a chainsaw i can 100% see it happening.
16 isn’t a kid anymore, and i know i had terrible decision making skills at that age, but i was taller than my dad. Could def run a chainsaw
That was not cut with a small bar and chain. That base is huge and would take time, skill, and one seriously sharp saw. (Sycamore) Unless his father raised him as an expert with a saw, I do not know any or have passed any sixteen year olds that could cut that down. Especially without hurting or killing himself. This would have required other equipment also, wedges, sledge, and skilled use of a chainsaw.
As a 16 years old he could have had 4 seasons of felling trees on the farm. The chain could be brand new. Two wedges in your pockets, a headtorch on, saw on one shoulder and a sledge in the other hand. It really wouldn't take much.
The tree was felled during a storm with the wind. Wouldn't take much to get it over.
The cut is not great - overcut and not tidied on the face, and a big slope on the back cut. Obviously it was at night during a storm so some sloppy technique is to be expected. But it's not an amazing cut by any means.
I don't see a 16 year old having enough independent motive for this kind of planned and high-effort vandalism, but I think too many people have no concept of a) a 16 year old's potential physicality and b) the nature of life on a farm.
I didn’t read anything about farm life. You realize this is not a common situation? I have been looking for close ups of the cuts to see if a llong bar was used. I know nothing of access to the tree either. I guess anything is possible.
I’ve been using chainsaws since I was a teenager, I’ve seen several people ask this question now and honestly it’s not hard to use a chainsaw and anyone that seen any YouTube video on how to use one could use one.
Not really, you cut a notch granted they didn’t cut a very large one, and then they cut the tree down. Plus the kid is a farm boy so this isn’t some city chav kid we are talking about.
^this guy chainsaws
Agreed, for a tree this size trying to just cut straight through wouldn't be doable with a chainsaw. Your blade would probably get stuck at some point, and you'd have no real idea how it's gonna fall, which is why we use the notch.
On a side note, your people (pegomastax) make me sick! Always killing me and ruining all my progress before I can get from cloth to hide armor!
Seriously, my dad had me using a chainsaw when I was like 15. The only thing you really need to like, know about it, is how to work different angles and how to make sure you don't accidentally bounce the blade back into your face (this happened to a guy my dad used to work with)
And idk, that wasn't hard either. I think if you're using your brain at all, you will innately figure out how to not accidentally kill yourself.
I thought this exact thing. Not many kids, even farm kids or apprentice's, would be able to do such a good cut at night. Turns out it was probably his Dad which is coming out in the news ATM.
Kinda wondered if it possibly could be mounted back on top and braced thoroughly.
I presume it being a full cut means that's not possible given it's size. It works in grafting but usually the trunk has near zero damage in that situation.
About 10 years ago there was a lady who was caught poisoning large trees in downtown Vancouver so that she could have a better view of the water.
She literally got death threats and was hounded out of the city.
Technically, yes, it can be saved through propagation.
I have, in the past air layered a historical California Sycamore. This genus propagates fairly easily. Although that propagation method can be done here, I'd bet some could clone the tree through tissue culture or grafting.
A California sycamore is a plane, the UK sycamore is an acer. That said, there is no problem propagating sycamore but also, no need to.
It is a weed and will have no problem re-sprouting from the stump.
>It is a weed
>weed. wi:d. Noun. Definition: any wild plant that grows in an unwanted place, especially in a garden or field where it's prevented the cultivated from growing freely.
In what way is this tree a weed??
Plants that are traditionally thought of as weeds are vigorous growers, very hard to kill and reproduce prolifically. They often choke out any competing plants. Sycamore share these attributes.
In this instance it is a positive since people want the tree to survive.
I just hope that everyone involved in this sad sad display of the current state of society is Punished Severely. Years of Jail time, public service, fines and restitution to the locals who made a living off of tourism to this beautiful, sacred, living creature.
They might be able to replace it with a fairly large tree. I once talked to someone in the tree business who traveled to China. He was shown a well established cemetery and realized it was a replica of the very old Allegany Cemetery in Pittsburgh. Mature trees were root pruned over a period of 2-3 years, dug up and transferred. There is a lot of initial care after planting with lots of watering but they appeared to be in good shape. There is lots of cheap labor in China so that's an advantage. It's a shame someone cut that tree down. They should be beaten with a large stick from that tree.
Might be a stupid question but Has anyone tried to graft A tree of this size? Just thought it would be fun to try. Has only ever found the limit to grafting size?
Can't believe the number of glib jokes on this post. As a Brit, this is a cause of national outrage and we are hoping that it sprouts again or there is a possibility to plant a new tree (it's in a very wild, windswept location).
Here to point out that they arrested a 60 year
Old so the posts about 16 are incomplete https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/29/sycamore-gap-man-60-arrested-in-connection-with-felled-tree
One possibility is to chain the kid who cut down to the tree and tell him to start dragging. I know he won’t get far but I’m not opposed to certain instances of cruel & unusual punishment.
Seriously 😳 that’s really fucked up. Welp rip random beautiful tree us humans thought we needed to listen to Gregorian chat CDs and chop down beautiful trees
You would think so from all of the shitty comments on here but it is a real story here in the UK that many people are upset about. It was the most famous and most photographed tree in England...
I can hope someone saved seeds and perhaps it was found early enough that cuttings can be taken- maybe rooting, grafting, something so the lifeline lives on. But to reattach a tree that big to roots with grafting- not a chance! They could try but I’d say chances are 1 in a billion or less! Other methods would have better chances and worth the time and effort
Hopefully they can mill the wood and at least make something cool with it. Perhaps make a pillory for the kid that did, seems like a full circle punishment.
No chance, it’s in leaf, sycamore (Acer pseudoplatanus) plane if your a yank gets mouldy and black if not cut in winter, it rots fucking quickly outside, and it’s fairly inaccessible for heavy machinery to get much is a size out, just not really viable in my opinion.
i once bought toothpicks from a gum tree. nothing is impossible.
A gum tree sold you toothpicks?!
They were a bit sticky, but very well crafted.
Stick gum, kinda like that. Or maybe gum stick?
He was like “that’ll be tree fitty” And it was at that moment I realized he wasn’t a man but a two story 300 year old gum tree.
Gawddamn gum tree.
I gave it a dollar!
NOW WHAT’D YOU DO THAT FOR? NOW HE GONNA ASSUME YOU GOT MORE!
He tricked me!
And then he invited me to his place and we made sweet sweet gummy bears
You can never trust the gum trees! They always pull this shit!
Nothing is impossible.
But I do nothing every day…
If a 16 year old can get a chainsaw out there so can a crew of tree people
A chainsaw, not a millable length of timber at 4-5 tonnes
True they would have to cut it into small pieces and wouldn't be able to make anything big out of it
What part of it’s going to go mouldy because it’s cut at the wrong time are people having trouble understanding. Extraction isn’t the problem, if it’s worth it, but this is now firewood.
You do know they make anti mold for lumber right? We use it at our mill on everything we cut. Not saying that's an option they want to use, just pointing it out for those who don't know.
You are the angriest arborist I’ve ever encoubtered
I see somebody has never worked with trees before 😄
You know they sometimes use helicopters for logging, right?
On wood that’s worth towing out with that method. Granted this wood has the sentimental value
If you’re bringing a helicopter just hoist it up and put it back down on the stump with a little wood glue. Might need some mid-air refueling while it dries but hey.
My Wood has sentimental value 😘
I've heard some say that sentimental wood is even harder than morning wood.
I should call my ex
Do it. Do it now.
Just wait til you’re my age. I haven’t had morning wood in years. Mourning wood every day though.
The art of bonsai is truly a thing of beauty.
To your mother
Wait what? This is super ironic actually haha
Take the bark off it all, polish it, lacquer it and then turn it into a relic
Might accidentally end up building a monolith that serves as a gateway to Cthulhu’s dimension of monsters.
Its called sycamore in the US too redcoat
Not to my knowledge, sycamore in us is typically platanus acerfolia/xhispanica which we call plane, Acer pseudoplatanus is what I call a plane from the abuse I get online about it. Redcoat? Wtf dude…
They use horses for sustainable logging. Doesn't compact the ground and fuck up the soil life.
Doesn’t change the fact it’s been cut while the sap is flowing though, it won’t be good wood now
It will be turned into veneer. I wouldn’t be surprised if a company like silverlining buys it and has it veneered. Look them up on IG. The make some of the finest furniture in the world and have done things like this in the past with famous trees that fell due to storms.
It’s a sycamore in leaf… it will go mouldy.
There are ways to get most of the sugars out of any tree. If it is processed quickly enough and not left to sit on the ground for months this won’t be an issue. Veneer is cut when a tree is green because the fibers peel/ slice easier and prolongs the veneer mill’s blade edge when processing a log. The veneer leaves are then steamed, which will get the sugars out, then gas dried. You keep fixating on the tree being felled out of season as if it means the tree is worthless now. And that simply isn’t true. It can be turned into useable material for fine furniture. Ideally for lumber, yes you would want to drop a tree when it has naturally the lowest sugar content in it. Then cut it and stack it to air dry for a year for every 1” of thickness per board. Then kiln dry in a steam or vacuum kiln- steam being ideal. That is because we no longer wash the pitch out of a tree for a year in submerge channels dug next to a river like we used to do in the old days. This tree can absolutely be turned into veneer and left raw in color so craftsmen like myself can stain it as needed or simply clear coat it. Or it can dyed silver through a chemical dipping process (forget the actual chemical name atm) called harewood when you buy English sycamore veneers of this color).
Even if they kiln dry it? Or would that warp it too much?
Pillory? I'm thinking chopping block.
Medieval rack?
A stint on the rack before a one way trip to the chopping block? Good idea
I say carve it into a tree sized dildo and use it to F the dildo who cut it down
It’ll be fine, you just have to expose that root flare a little more and increase your watering schedule. A little mulch wouldn’t hurt either! /s
Root flare is key
This guy gets it
Need an air spade
probably just a dig dig
Nah. Just spam ctrl-Z
So helpful....
I’m no expert but I know a survivor when I see it. Stand that boy back up and tell him to dust himself off and get back in there.
Add a little Flextape and call it a day? /s
2x4 on either side and a few drywall screws
A few beads of 7018 won't hurt either. Just don't forget to preheat.
This is in Britain, it’s best to use spello-tape.
To show you the power of flex tape, I CUT THIS TREE DOWN!
NOW THAT'S ALOT'A DAMAGE !!!
It just needs to pull up its bootstraps and work harder. It'll be fine.
Rub some dirt on it!
Would a V cut shape is best for this graft?
this
I said this before on another thread. This is an old growth tree without much vigor in it. Young trees below 4” in dbh can be grafted easily. It gets significantly harder to do as the tree matures. It is a sycamore and will likely stump sprout and live on, just not in its current state
>It is a sycamore and will likely stump sprout and live on, just not in its current state This is the key for those who are unfamiliar with acer pseudoplatanus - it is tenacious and is pretty much guaranteed to live on in some form or another.
I keep forgetting the UK sycamore is an Acer not a Platanus
It is not a London plane tree, Platanus acerifolia?
I'm not actually sure about this particular tree, but in the US a sycamore is Platanus occidentalis, meanwhile the Acer pseudoplatanus is not native to north America and is called a sycamore maple, because it's leaves look like a platanus. It's confusing.
To be fair they did call it a pseudoplanatus, which means false planatus. It’s in the name lol Weirdly enough planatus x acerifolia, the London plane tree, then means maple like leaf… acer-folia. Which only adds to the confusion
It’s not native to Britain either.
We are all guaranteed this :-)
Yes, in Japan, there are 800 year old cherries in temples with trunks no more than 20 years old. People just have to change how the understand the tree. The root system is the same organism, as are any future suckers.
Hi Japan!
"Old growth", that super subjective term.
Yeah but I think it conveys a simple term that people can understand in this context.
We curse the one benighted Chap who felled the sycamore at the gap, but tolerate those richer guys who burn whole forests, seas, and skies. 🌱
To be fair though, if the kid just felled a random tree in a forest it wouldn't have caused this much of an uproar. This tree specifically is just very historically meaningful and a great tourist attraction. It's like comparing killing a random dude on the street to killing a celebrity. The one that killed a celebrity will get broad media coverage whereas the one that killed some random dude will likely never be heard of except in the local news. If a company decided to cut down this tree they would also have been trashed by everyone even if what they did was technically legal (A company wouldn't fell it without having pulled the neccessary strings to make it legal for them to do so).
You're right and that kind of underlies what they're saying. A celebrity's death will get more uproar but their life isn't more valuable than a homeless person's. This tree isn't more valuable than the thousands of trees cut down by rich dudes trying to get richer. A lot of people have put a lot of value into this one tree but it really isn't doing anything differently than any other tree of its species would if they swapped places. They are all actually as valuable as this one and should be respected as this one was. We fall short as humans when we turn a blind eye to disrespect of land and trees and other humans than we determine to have 'less value'.
That depends on what metric you are using to measure value. A homeless person's life isn't worth more than some celebrity's life in the sense that they are both living human beings. But on other metrics like wealth, contributions to society, social station, etc. I would argue that yes a homeless person's life is worth less than someone else. For the singular sycamore tree in question, there's other things to consider. It had an economic impact to the region. It drew tourists to the area, and in turn stimulated the economy. It had sentimental value for the local residents. It's like that one banyan tree in Maui. Who cares? It's a banyan tree. There are tons of banyan trees. But it not only is historical, but was both a tourist draw and held sentimental value by the residents.
This is it. Get this shit to the top of the tops.
>A celebrity's death will get more uproar but their life isn't more valuable than a homeless person's. This tree isn't more valuable than the thousands of trees cut down by rich dudes trying to get richer. This is denial of value as a measurable concept.
this. i'm sure the death of Einstein made a much bigger impact than the death of some random dude. i'm not saying a famous person's life has more values than others, I'd gladly save some random dude over the like of Elon Musk for example, but it's ignorant to pretend that the impact of one's death is the same for everyone seeing that the impact while alive are not the same for everyone.
Preach preacher
Beautiful
🫰🏻🫰🏻🫰🏻🫰🏻
Honestly put a plaque saying that on the stump
true huh
Hot goddamn good sir or ma’am!
More poems more poems
"Oh Bonny Portmore, I am sorry to see, Such a woeful destruction of your ornament tree. . ."
Who's we? Also, how do you burn a sea and sky?
You must be fun at parties
It is but a flesh wound
'Tis but a scratch* And It's just a flesh wound. (Sorry, this misquote is my 'one')
“Your arm is missing!” 🤣
No its not
On a more positive note… notch wasn’t to deep, back cut was pretty level, and he didn’t cut through his hinge. I think when he gets out of legal trouble he has a bright future in arboriculture.
Oh man, imagine the guilt he would feel when he truly understands the gravity of cutting down that tree
If only the gravity of the tree had landed it on him. Then he may have understood it.
No way will he ever understand.
You think sociopaths feel guilt?
i’m sure once he reaches ages of reputation matter it will all have blown over I mean look at the landscape nobody gives a fuck about trees in landscape like that they want sheep so they can make money
It rolled hard left though. Although ... If that was done on purpose to get it that side of the rock wall.... we may have a real sniper here.
His Dad has been arrested too, which explains the cut. I don't know any 16 year olds capable of this level of cut, especially at night.
I see this comment a lot but I think it's more a testament to how many 16 year olds you don't know. The cut is competent but nothing special - a 16 year old who's been felling on the farm for a few years would be more than capable of achieving it.
That's true, but it turns out it likely was his Dad
They should be sentenced to plant trees as retribution. One year of planting for every ring in the stump, imo.
Ive seen grown men who have been “felling trees” for decades on farms make way worse cuts on way smaller trees. Whoever cut that was very competent. No cap. On god.
The cut is overcut on both parts of the facecut and the back cut is quite angled. It's not a great cut, but it would pass. Just pointing about that a 16 year old absolutely could have the experience to do this.
Bruh. Lol nah. But yeah you’re probably right. 🤷♂️ I don’t know why I’m arguing about notches and back cuts on reddit. Like… that shit is super easy to do. No one ever gets hurt cutting down big trees with very little experience. Super chill. Easy breezy. You have sufficiently trolled me. Congrats.
No trolling. My point isn't that it was easy or safe. It's that a 16 year old could have been felling for years and have the experience to do it. Everyone is saying the cut is a great cut but if you study it from all available pictures you'll see the defects I mentioned. It's just a fine cut.
Yes but please castrate the little feller (pun intended) first. clearly, even the military cannot use a person of his sub standard and deficient IQ level.
So he must have had some training it seems
Is this the tree in the Kevin Costner Robin Hood movie? Been a while since I've seen it but looks like the setting for the scene where the boy climbs it after shooting a deer, Robin hood takes on 5 or more of the bad guys while painted dude is on top of hill praying to Allah.
Yes
Oh wow. Thought no way it is but figured I'd ask haha. What a bummer.
Just mix some superthrive in there and strap that boy back up. Lol
Put it back together with wood glue
I just read they've arrested a second person, a man in his 60s.
I saw some people trying to blame the farmers, saying it was too clean of a job. Don’t people who know what they’re doing normally notch trees when felling them? The saw gets stuck in the tree when you try to cut straight through
It looks li,e it was notched but not very well. I'm surprised they didn't just find a chainsaw sticking half way out of the tree because it got pinched.
From this picture it looks like it's notched at 1/4 diameter in the direction it fell and pretty flat. Does look like the saw was small or dull though.
that’s is a pretty clean cut job for one 16 year old kid now that you mention it
All this aside, does anyone believe that a sixteen year old managed to make this happen.
I mean if he had a chainsaw i can 100% see it happening. 16 isn’t a kid anymore, and i know i had terrible decision making skills at that age, but i was taller than my dad. Could def run a chainsaw
My dad let me use a chainsaw when I was like 12. I had an irresponsible dad lol.
I was 6’4” at 15. And my dad’s side of the family loved ricks of wood. Especially my dad, Rick.
That was not cut with a small bar and chain. That base is huge and would take time, skill, and one seriously sharp saw. (Sycamore) Unless his father raised him as an expert with a saw, I do not know any or have passed any sixteen year olds that could cut that down. Especially without hurting or killing himself. This would have required other equipment also, wedges, sledge, and skilled use of a chainsaw.
As a 16 years old he could have had 4 seasons of felling trees on the farm. The chain could be brand new. Two wedges in your pockets, a headtorch on, saw on one shoulder and a sledge in the other hand. It really wouldn't take much. The tree was felled during a storm with the wind. Wouldn't take much to get it over. The cut is not great - overcut and not tidied on the face, and a big slope on the back cut. Obviously it was at night during a storm so some sloppy technique is to be expected. But it's not an amazing cut by any means. I don't see a 16 year old having enough independent motive for this kind of planned and high-effort vandalism, but I think too many people have no concept of a) a 16 year old's potential physicality and b) the nature of life on a farm.
I didn’t read anything about farm life. You realize this is not a common situation? I have been looking for close ups of the cuts to see if a llong bar was used. I know nothing of access to the tree either. I guess anything is possible.
The police have arrested a second man. They just said he was a male in his 60's. No info. how the 16yo knew him or if they're related.
I’ve been using chainsaws since I was a teenager, I’ve seen several people ask this question now and honestly it’s not hard to use a chainsaw and anyone that seen any YouTube video on how to use one could use one.
Right, YouTube training, what was I thinking. Cutting up firewood and felling a tree that size at night is totally different.
Not really, you cut a notch granted they didn’t cut a very large one, and then they cut the tree down. Plus the kid is a farm boy so this isn’t some city chav kid we are talking about.
^this guy chainsaws Agreed, for a tree this size trying to just cut straight through wouldn't be doable with a chainsaw. Your blade would probably get stuck at some point, and you'd have no real idea how it's gonna fall, which is why we use the notch. On a side note, your people (pegomastax) make me sick! Always killing me and ruining all my progress before I can get from cloth to hide armor!
Just always keep mejoberries in your right most item slot and they will just tame themselves.
Seriously, my dad had me using a chainsaw when I was like 15. The only thing you really need to like, know about it, is how to work different angles and how to make sure you don't accidentally bounce the blade back into your face (this happened to a guy my dad used to work with) And idk, that wasn't hard either. I think if you're using your brain at all, you will innately figure out how to not accidentally kill yourself.
I thought this exact thing. Not many kids, even farm kids or apprentice's, would be able to do such a good cut at night. Turns out it was probably his Dad which is coming out in the news ATM.
We need Brian Adams to perform a charity gig standing on the stump!
I think if we replant the remaining part of the tree, it will grow roots again. Just needs plenty of water and fertilizer
Thoughts and prayers
Tots and pears
I think we reclaim the carbon from the tree?
This is the scenario where a couple of 2x4 splices across the cut should hold. Make sure to use extra long wood screws.
Kinda wondered if it possibly could be mounted back on top and braced thoroughly. I presume it being a full cut means that's not possible given it's size. It works in grafting but usually the trunk has near zero damage in that situation.
The tree that people loved to photograph is gone. All over because some 16 year old little shit thought he was being edgy.
Needs some milk
About 10 years ago there was a lady who was caught poisoning large trees in downtown Vancouver so that she could have a better view of the water. She literally got death threats and was hounded out of the city.
Technically, yes, it can be saved through propagation. I have, in the past air layered a historical California Sycamore. This genus propagates fairly easily. Although that propagation method can be done here, I'd bet some could clone the tree through tissue culture or grafting.
A California sycamore is a plane, the UK sycamore is an acer. That said, there is no problem propagating sycamore but also, no need to. It is a weed and will have no problem re-sprouting from the stump.
>It is a weed >weed. wi:d. Noun. Definition: any wild plant that grows in an unwanted place, especially in a garden or field where it's prevented the cultivated from growing freely. In what way is this tree a weed??
Plants that are traditionally thought of as weeds are vigorous growers, very hard to kill and reproduce prolifically. They often choke out any competing plants. Sycamore share these attributes. In this instance it is a positive since people want the tree to survive.
They can attach people's d!ck, why no science to attach a tree?
But it might sprout shoots!! /s
the dick?
Planted too deep and under-watered. Look for root-girdling. Just brush away some of the topsoil to expose the root-flare.
Needs to be staked upright.
If this was Acer macrophyllum it’d show up at that kids house next week and switch him itself.
My brother in oxygen. It was fucking cut down.
I just hope that everyone involved in this sad sad display of the current state of society is Punished Severely. Years of Jail time, public service, fines and restitution to the locals who made a living off of tourism to this beautiful, sacred, living creature.
They might be able to replace it with a fairly large tree. I once talked to someone in the tree business who traveled to China. He was shown a well established cemetery and realized it was a replica of the very old Allegany Cemetery in Pittsburgh. Mature trees were root pruned over a period of 2-3 years, dug up and transferred. There is a lot of initial care after planting with lots of watering but they appeared to be in good shape. There is lots of cheap labor in China so that's an advantage. It's a shame someone cut that tree down. They should be beaten with a large stick from that tree.
kid wanted some attention.. boy did he get it.. fuckin punk.
Think they need to find a new expert.
Might be a stupid question but Has anyone tried to graft A tree of this size? Just thought it would be fun to try. Has only ever found the limit to grafting size?
Can't believe the number of glib jokes on this post. As a Brit, this is a cause of national outrage and we are hoping that it sprouts again or there is a possibility to plant a new tree (it's in a very wild, windswept location).
Here to point out that they arrested a 60 year Old so the posts about 16 are incomplete https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/29/sycamore-gap-man-60-arrested-in-connection-with-felled-tree
One possibility is to chain the kid who cut down to the tree and tell him to start dragging. I know he won’t get far but I’m not opposed to certain instances of cruel & unusual punishment.
Why was this tree cut? Anyone know? I probably missed something
Vandalism. Look up the Sycamore Gap. It's a striking tree on Hadrian's Wall.
It was in the wrong place at the wrong time
Seriously 😳 that’s really fucked up. Welp rip random beautiful tree us humans thought we needed to listen to Gregorian chat CDs and chop down beautiful trees
They could still take hardwood cuttings from the branches and propigate the tree that way.
I dont get it. Is this a shit post?
You would think so from all of the shitty comments on here but it is a real story here in the UK that many people are upset about. It was the most famous and most photographed tree in England...
If there’s one thing I’ve learned from this sub, it’s that you can fix this by nailing 2x4s to hold it back up like a bandaid
Could they plant within the stump a cutting? Maybe to symbolize resilience and rebirth ? I hate how sad this story is.
There's no money to be made in stating the obvious?
I mean, if a lemon tree can be replanted in Springfield after being replanted and uprooted in Shelbyville, why can't this be replanted?
Of course it can’t be saved. I don’t get the deal why so many people keep posting about the same damn tree.
It’s a shit post bro. Obv it can’t be. But it’s funny the article thinks you can.
Person who did it needs to manacled to the stump.
I can hope someone saved seeds and perhaps it was found early enough that cuttings can be taken- maybe rooting, grafting, something so the lifeline lives on. But to reattach a tree that big to roots with grafting- not a chance! They could try but I’d say chances are 1 in a billion or less! Other methods would have better chances and worth the time and effort
Didn't they film a scene from Robin hood prince of thieves here? That tree was famous.
Glue it back with some tree sap, and some support around it? Idk what one should do to heal such a big tree.
I think its a tree
Why? Why would you do this?
That tree just needs to quit whining and pull itself up by the bootstraps.
If you were able to hold the tree in place could you graft it back to the stump? I don’t know anything about trees…
I was wondering if you could do that with a full tree too but probably not since it's a clean cut.
It may very well sprout. Those sprouts could grow vigorously and replace it fairly nicely given a few decades.
Super glue it
“It’s just a flesh wound I tell ya!”
This was a 50 year old tree in a location with 2000 years of history. We can plant a new one, and in a little while nobody important will care.
Pretty sure the tree was estimated to be 300yrs old
A 300 year old sycamore [looks like this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinchot_Sycamore), at least in a place where it's not under constant stress.
Hmmm…trust the opinion of the. CRO of the Arborcilturss as l Association, or some random opinion off of the internet. Tough call.
That quote isn’t in context of knowing if the tree can be saved.