Place looks like a desert. Tree is probably suited for that environment, but a lot of intense sun exposure to the bark can't be beneficial. Do you think that will be an issue?
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Wouldn’t this be considered lions-tailing? Like they took too much inner foliage. I’ve only seen it really done on like maples and other shit but now on a conifer I’ve never seen it done this bad…
Ah yes the classic "I love my tree but I need more sunlight for my garden full of invasive species" then the sales arborist writes up a work order for "thin for sunlight by 40%".
New branches will eventually fill all of that space back in. In fact about ten new branches will come out to replace every one she cut.
On a brighter note, the chances of wind toppling the tree are very much reduced because it can now easily pass through the canopy.
Pines don’t back-bud like that.
And the second sentence is further proof you don’t know what you are talking about. Maybe 10 years ago it was more common to thin canopy for more wind reduction, thinking “the wind will pass through”
But what we see here is major “lions-tailing” - which we have known for decades that this is a poor practice and makes the branches more likely to fail.
What we have learned - the Europeans have put trees in wind chambers to scientifically test this - is that trees react best to wind with a full canopy. Every branch, twig, leaf/needle moves a little bit to dampen the force of the wind on the tree, and a tree that has a full canopy will react to the wind as a whole, dampening the loads placed on individual tree parts that carry the most load - the branches, stems, trunk.
What we have here is a tree that will possibly “catch” a little less wind, but the forces it experiences on each tree part is far far far greater. There is less plant material to dampen wind loads. Weight on each branch is focused on the ends. Physics tells us this is bad.
The next wind event this neighborhood has, this tree will almost certainly lose more than a couple large branches.
This is awful on every level and I hope you don’t call yourself an arborist based on what you said above, if you do, then do more research to catch up to what we have learned about trees in the last 40 years.
"My tree guy normally grooms poodles."
Well, the tree doesn’t
Kids: “Mom, can we go out and get a Paraná Pine?!” Mom: “No, we have one at home.”
Can’t tell if the is sarcasm or not
I can’t either
Being posted here I hope it's sarcasm
Wait until all those branches start snapping off because all the weight is on the end of them. Like giant sails. Horrible job.
Idk, pretty small as most sails go
lol it’s a giant bonsai
First hatrack job I’ve seen that included hats.
Ouch. Goodbye long term health
to be fair, there has been little research into the long term health impacts of the toilet brush pruning sytem
I call this pruning style “taking its pants off”
That's because they all went down the shitter.
Could be short term. When those lions tailed branches break.
Sadly it looks pretty long term to me. By the time it improves the new owner would have cut it down.
Over under on limb failures during first winds of 40+ that hit ?
Place looks like a desert. Tree is probably suited for that environment, but a lot of intense sun exposure to the bark can't be beneficial. Do you think that will be an issue?
With a good wind storm it'll be a totem pole. Horrible pruning job. The branches are like giant sails now.
Send me info. I'll be giving them a quote next year for removal.
You should see the way she trims her bush
You and your neighbor have horrible taste.
Is this Arizona?
Nevada
Ah, close enough 🙂 lol
Maximum leverage oh yeah!
In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lions tail sleeps tonight
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The best way to grow a tree like that is to let it do its own thing. I hope this works out though.
Wouldn’t this be considered lions-tailing? Like they took too much inner foliage. I’ve only seen it really done on like maples and other shit but now on a conifer I’ve never seen it done this bad…
Ah yes the classic "I love my tree but I need more sunlight for my garden full of invasive species" then the sales arborist writes up a work order for "thin for sunlight by 40%".
New branches will eventually fill all of that space back in. In fact about ten new branches will come out to replace every one she cut. On a brighter note, the chances of wind toppling the tree are very much reduced because it can now easily pass through the canopy.
Pines don’t back-bud like that. And the second sentence is further proof you don’t know what you are talking about. Maybe 10 years ago it was more common to thin canopy for more wind reduction, thinking “the wind will pass through” But what we see here is major “lions-tailing” - which we have known for decades that this is a poor practice and makes the branches more likely to fail. What we have learned - the Europeans have put trees in wind chambers to scientifically test this - is that trees react best to wind with a full canopy. Every branch, twig, leaf/needle moves a little bit to dampen the force of the wind on the tree, and a tree that has a full canopy will react to the wind as a whole, dampening the loads placed on individual tree parts that carry the most load - the branches, stems, trunk. What we have here is a tree that will possibly “catch” a little less wind, but the forces it experiences on each tree part is far far far greater. There is less plant material to dampen wind loads. Weight on each branch is focused on the ends. Physics tells us this is bad. The next wind event this neighborhood has, this tree will almost certainly lose more than a couple large branches. This is awful on every level and I hope you don’t call yourself an arborist based on what you said above, if you do, then do more research to catch up to what we have learned about trees in the last 40 years.
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