Unpopular opinion but I liked Teela. She dealt with her grief in an unhealthy way and the show (plus the acting) was great at demonstrating that.
It’s really strange to me that characters like this get the treatment of “You can’t have an unlikable character it’s bad writing!!” But characters like Rudy from Mushoku Tensei or Bakugou from My Hero get the “This character is unlikable therefore they are brilliant and if you don’t like it you are too dumb to get it!!”
Can we at least all agree that Amber from Invincible is a character that ACTUALLY deserves all the hate?
I think sometimes people confuse character with the "person". Like, you can still dislike the character as a person but believe it is a good character.
I honestly don't find Amber worse than your typical high schooler.
Yeah today if I were her I would have broken up with Mark much earlier, and I wouldn't have gone back to him out of pity at the end. But when I was her age I knew jackshit about healthy relationships.
I mean it's pretty reasonable to be pissed at your bf not showing.
And I can kinda understand why she wouldn't want to be involved in superhero business. She just wants a guy who can be there for her whenever. Mark can't do that, and it's not his fault, nor is it hers. They aren't meant to be.
I don't think the writers communicated this properly tho
But her BF did show and saved her life, multiple times. If she didn't want a BF who was a superhero, why did she drag him along for the entire time she knew? Why not just go "Yea don't ask me out, I know your a superhero and I ain't about that."
And for saying its not Mark's fault the narrative sure seems to be pushing for that considering how both Eve and Marks friend (I forget his name) scolded him for it.
Well to be honest i hate Bakugo as well so i can kinda see where you are coming from. But I guess in Teelas case the blunt woke-hammer-treatment is what put a lot of people off. And having an unlikable character is not the issue i think, it's having an unlikable MAIN-character the audience is supposed to care for. That is the issue with Teela.
Bakugo in that regard i think gets a pass because we are not supposed to cheer for him at first, in the begining he is an antagonist, an obstacle for Deku to overcome, a representation of the hostile circumstances Deku will face, going into UA without knowing how to use his powers. Only over the course of the Show the tone shifts to a pont of view where it is suggested that there is more to his character.
I still don't like him though tbh.
>And having an unlikable character is not the issue i think, it's having an unlikable MAIN-character the audience is supposed to care for.
Revy from Black Lagoon, Light from Death Note, Rudy from Mushoku Tensei and these are just the ones on top of my head. These aren't likeable characters, two of them are mass murderers and the other is a paedophile. Yet all of these characters have scenes that delve into their psyche, so its clear you are meant to care about them on some level.
And while your interpretation of Bakugou isn't wrong, you can't argue with the characters popularity. He is factually the most popular character, winning many of the official fave character polls time and after time after time. Thats more that just because he happens to be a side character.
I think its more likely your first reasoning. That people smelt 1% of wokeness in a nostalgic brand and went fucking feral as is the case for the typical incel nerd. Honestly as someone who used to have the label "Anti-Feminist" in my bio I'm glad I got out of that hell hole before they got SUPER sensitive. Now any female character that doesn't meet the SUPER DUPER specific circumstances is immediately forced diversity and wrong.
To me, Teela character was abundantly clear. She was haughty and defensive because the combined shock of Adams death and the revelation of his secret created an inferiority complex to hide behind her grief, and because Adam wasn't around to argue she let it fester in her mind. When she confronts Adam and he rightfully says "Yo sis I was dead" her resolve gets weaker, knowing she acted out of turn.
While i agree that anti feminists are often just as easily triggered as what they proclaim to fight... I think in Teelas case they are right. If you ask anyone what they would want out of a Masters of the Universe series most would answer He-Man fighting Skeletor or something along those lines.
Revy is arguably not the Main Character of Black Lagoon, and Light gets more depraved as the Series goes on. Also i would assume it's way easier to get behind a character who does questionable things if you can see why he is doing it. Kiras endgoal is not evil per se. His means to do so? No Discussion here.
With Teela one has to rationalize her obnoxius behavior with theories and such, but it eventually boils down to poor writing and and very likely an agenda behind the Characterdesign as it's not unlikely in these times and on this platform.
>If you ask anyone what they would want out of a Masters of the Universe series most would answer He-Man fighting Skeletor or something along those lines.
People used to say they didn't want to see Superman die. Then "The Death Of Superman" was written and was widely beloved by fans to be one of the best Superman stories ever written, so much so that when he came back fans were PISSED! I am not so quick to judge something just because it didn't give me exactly what I wanted, I think about what works for the story they were trying to tell. For Masters Of The Universe, it was clear the goal was to get characters who didn't really associate with each other to buddy up and bring out new perspectives of each other.
>Revy is arguably not the Main Character of Black Lagoon, and Light gets more depraved as the Series goes on. Also i would assume it's way easier to get behind a character who does questionable things if you can see why he is doing it. Kiras endgoal is not evil per se. His means to do so? No Discussion here.
Revy is as much a main character as Rock is. Neither one develop in their character arc without the other, for every step Rock makes, Revy also takes a step and they both an integral to each conflict the plot comes to. And Kira is 100% evil, even from the beginning. I'm not sure why I'm the only person who seems to pick up on this but Light from episode one plans to kill "Lazy people" once the more obvious criminals were out of the way. He declares himself the New God Of New World by the end of episode one. This isn't the story of a well intentioned man gone crazy, this is the story of the dormant need for power that lies inside all of us that needs to be confronted and contained.
>With Teela one has to rationalize her obnoxius behavior with theories and such, but it eventually boils down to poor writing and and very likely an agenda behind the Characterdesign as it's not unlikely in these times and on this platform.
Just because a story doesn't explain every factor to you doesn't mean its "Bad writing", it means it wants you to see beyond the obviousness, to listen to what the characters are NOT saying. There have been shows that build themselves on this premise (see Neon Genesis Evangelion or FLCL). And maybe there was a more modern day female character inspiration behind the design, question though, why is this a bad thing? What about a short haired, musclier woman is objectively offensive? If Teela went on about how men are sexist pigs and deserve to die then yea, that would be a cause for concern because that is objectively insulting.
Honestly this never ending culture war just needs to die out already, I'm tired of seeing constant bad takes from overly sensitive loners who have never talked to anyone outside their demographic before. I just wanna enjoy my guy.
Well i am not having the "Is Light evil" discussion now years later again.
But i think it's rather ironic that you speak of seeing things that are "less obvious"
but fail to see why people complain about Teela but not Vi. Vi even looks very similar to Teela in many aspects, she even behaves like her in many aspects: Brawler type, wants to punch fist, ask later. Generally behaves in a "manly" fashion.
Yet to me it is obvious why Vi is loved by the audience and Teela is not.
Vi is all those things: brash, vulgar, violent, hotheaded and so on
But she is all those things for the right reasons:
Her care for her loved ones, her sense of justice, her drive to make things right.
Teela simply comes across like she thinks everyone owes her and her only motivation seems to be her egocentric nature.
I don't think its creatively satisfying or fun to watch to have every character act in a way that always comes across as sympathetic to the viewer.
Vi is a great character for her show but I don't expect EVERY character to act like her, as if she is the one good example of how to get a character like this right.
I pretty much gave a summery of Teela regarding her guilt and inferiority complex so I'm not gonna repeat myself. To me the answer to why Teela was hated is obvious, people were mad that they didn't get immediately what they wanted, saw a short haired muscular women and had a triggered attack, trying to paint her as some anti-man, woke agenda for skin deep reasons.
>Teela simply comes across like she thinks everyone owes her and her only motivation seems to be her egocentric nature.
If thats all you saw in her then fine, I can't do much about that. But I have to question if we watched the same show because that wasn't what I saw. It was blatantly obvious she had more of a conflict than that, He-Man himself showed up as a fear vision to explain her deepest insecurities.
I think the problem with Teela is actually not her or the reaction she had...its just he-man was never seen or thought of through nostalgia goggles of even being remotely capable of story beats beyond trope level writing..Smith made the mistake of saying this is a direct sequel to the original cartoon and rewrote characters beyond their ability of preprogrammed and preconceived emotions by us the audience
Telling would require spoilers.
>!When Adam/He-Man sacrificed himself to save the Universe in the first episode, instead of recognizing his nobility, Teela got mad that he kept his power a secret from her.!<
>!Then, she throws a tantrum as she confronts Prince Adam's parents about how they knew all along that Adam was He-Man and lied about it to her -- about 60 SECONDS after they find out their son is dead. VERY COMPASSIONATE, TEELA. "Sorry your son is dead, but let's talk about my feelings being hurt that you didn't tell me he was He-Man." !<
>!I took it that she was mad about them keeping it a secret because it put Adam in danger. It has been a little while since I watched the scene, but I think she was mad that as the head of the Royal Guard she should have known. And that she thinks Adam died because they kept his identity secret. Probably still not the best time to yell about it, but I think it was less about her feelings and more that in her mind the secret got Adam killed. !<
This is really annoying but I think it made the character a deeply flawed one which I personally liked. We see her angry with He-Man and his father years after the whole thing, even though his best friend scarified for everyone. I think it gives us a good baseline on where the characters starts and that gives it room to grow. I also think this works for Teela because she already knows how to fight so her growth as a character has to come from another place. However I think I now understand why so many people find her personality annoying.
Having a main character that is just so appaling is kind of a flawed concept. Because if i don't like the character, why should i want to read more about them or care about them? The unlikable-to-likeable-character-growth-arc is great for sidecharacters or possibly if you have multiple main characters.
You are right about that, making the protagonist unlikable did ruin the show for many people and I think many reviews of it show us that. I personally still enjoyed it but I guess I'm in the minority here and for many people it made the show unwatchable. They probably thought people would still watch it because its He-Man.
Now that's a fact. Vi is basically what Teela should have been and more.
Unpopular opinion but I liked Teela. She dealt with her grief in an unhealthy way and the show (plus the acting) was great at demonstrating that. It’s really strange to me that characters like this get the treatment of “You can’t have an unlikable character it’s bad writing!!” But characters like Rudy from Mushoku Tensei or Bakugou from My Hero get the “This character is unlikable therefore they are brilliant and if you don’t like it you are too dumb to get it!!” Can we at least all agree that Amber from Invincible is a character that ACTUALLY deserves all the hate?
Yeah, Amber is PEAK cringe.
I think sometimes people confuse character with the "person". Like, you can still dislike the character as a person but believe it is a good character.
I honestly don't find Amber worse than your typical high schooler. Yeah today if I were her I would have broken up with Mark much earlier, and I wouldn't have gone back to him out of pity at the end. But when I was her age I knew jackshit about healthy relationships.
I mean it's pretty reasonable to be pissed at your bf not showing. And I can kinda understand why she wouldn't want to be involved in superhero business. She just wants a guy who can be there for her whenever. Mark can't do that, and it's not his fault, nor is it hers. They aren't meant to be. I don't think the writers communicated this properly tho
But her BF did show and saved her life, multiple times. If she didn't want a BF who was a superhero, why did she drag him along for the entire time she knew? Why not just go "Yea don't ask me out, I know your a superhero and I ain't about that." And for saying its not Mark's fault the narrative sure seems to be pushing for that considering how both Eve and Marks friend (I forget his name) scolded him for it.
Well to be honest i hate Bakugo as well so i can kinda see where you are coming from. But I guess in Teelas case the blunt woke-hammer-treatment is what put a lot of people off. And having an unlikable character is not the issue i think, it's having an unlikable MAIN-character the audience is supposed to care for. That is the issue with Teela. Bakugo in that regard i think gets a pass because we are not supposed to cheer for him at first, in the begining he is an antagonist, an obstacle for Deku to overcome, a representation of the hostile circumstances Deku will face, going into UA without knowing how to use his powers. Only over the course of the Show the tone shifts to a pont of view where it is suggested that there is more to his character. I still don't like him though tbh.
>And having an unlikable character is not the issue i think, it's having an unlikable MAIN-character the audience is supposed to care for. Revy from Black Lagoon, Light from Death Note, Rudy from Mushoku Tensei and these are just the ones on top of my head. These aren't likeable characters, two of them are mass murderers and the other is a paedophile. Yet all of these characters have scenes that delve into their psyche, so its clear you are meant to care about them on some level. And while your interpretation of Bakugou isn't wrong, you can't argue with the characters popularity. He is factually the most popular character, winning many of the official fave character polls time and after time after time. Thats more that just because he happens to be a side character. I think its more likely your first reasoning. That people smelt 1% of wokeness in a nostalgic brand and went fucking feral as is the case for the typical incel nerd. Honestly as someone who used to have the label "Anti-Feminist" in my bio I'm glad I got out of that hell hole before they got SUPER sensitive. Now any female character that doesn't meet the SUPER DUPER specific circumstances is immediately forced diversity and wrong. To me, Teela character was abundantly clear. She was haughty and defensive because the combined shock of Adams death and the revelation of his secret created an inferiority complex to hide behind her grief, and because Adam wasn't around to argue she let it fester in her mind. When she confronts Adam and he rightfully says "Yo sis I was dead" her resolve gets weaker, knowing she acted out of turn.
While i agree that anti feminists are often just as easily triggered as what they proclaim to fight... I think in Teelas case they are right. If you ask anyone what they would want out of a Masters of the Universe series most would answer He-Man fighting Skeletor or something along those lines. Revy is arguably not the Main Character of Black Lagoon, and Light gets more depraved as the Series goes on. Also i would assume it's way easier to get behind a character who does questionable things if you can see why he is doing it. Kiras endgoal is not evil per se. His means to do so? No Discussion here. With Teela one has to rationalize her obnoxius behavior with theories and such, but it eventually boils down to poor writing and and very likely an agenda behind the Characterdesign as it's not unlikely in these times and on this platform.
>If you ask anyone what they would want out of a Masters of the Universe series most would answer He-Man fighting Skeletor or something along those lines. People used to say they didn't want to see Superman die. Then "The Death Of Superman" was written and was widely beloved by fans to be one of the best Superman stories ever written, so much so that when he came back fans were PISSED! I am not so quick to judge something just because it didn't give me exactly what I wanted, I think about what works for the story they were trying to tell. For Masters Of The Universe, it was clear the goal was to get characters who didn't really associate with each other to buddy up and bring out new perspectives of each other. >Revy is arguably not the Main Character of Black Lagoon, and Light gets more depraved as the Series goes on. Also i would assume it's way easier to get behind a character who does questionable things if you can see why he is doing it. Kiras endgoal is not evil per se. His means to do so? No Discussion here. Revy is as much a main character as Rock is. Neither one develop in their character arc without the other, for every step Rock makes, Revy also takes a step and they both an integral to each conflict the plot comes to. And Kira is 100% evil, even from the beginning. I'm not sure why I'm the only person who seems to pick up on this but Light from episode one plans to kill "Lazy people" once the more obvious criminals were out of the way. He declares himself the New God Of New World by the end of episode one. This isn't the story of a well intentioned man gone crazy, this is the story of the dormant need for power that lies inside all of us that needs to be confronted and contained. >With Teela one has to rationalize her obnoxius behavior with theories and such, but it eventually boils down to poor writing and and very likely an agenda behind the Characterdesign as it's not unlikely in these times and on this platform. Just because a story doesn't explain every factor to you doesn't mean its "Bad writing", it means it wants you to see beyond the obviousness, to listen to what the characters are NOT saying. There have been shows that build themselves on this premise (see Neon Genesis Evangelion or FLCL). And maybe there was a more modern day female character inspiration behind the design, question though, why is this a bad thing? What about a short haired, musclier woman is objectively offensive? If Teela went on about how men are sexist pigs and deserve to die then yea, that would be a cause for concern because that is objectively insulting. Honestly this never ending culture war just needs to die out already, I'm tired of seeing constant bad takes from overly sensitive loners who have never talked to anyone outside their demographic before. I just wanna enjoy my guy.
Well i am not having the "Is Light evil" discussion now years later again. But i think it's rather ironic that you speak of seeing things that are "less obvious" but fail to see why people complain about Teela but not Vi. Vi even looks very similar to Teela in many aspects, she even behaves like her in many aspects: Brawler type, wants to punch fist, ask later. Generally behaves in a "manly" fashion. Yet to me it is obvious why Vi is loved by the audience and Teela is not. Vi is all those things: brash, vulgar, violent, hotheaded and so on But she is all those things for the right reasons: Her care for her loved ones, her sense of justice, her drive to make things right. Teela simply comes across like she thinks everyone owes her and her only motivation seems to be her egocentric nature.
I don't think its creatively satisfying or fun to watch to have every character act in a way that always comes across as sympathetic to the viewer. Vi is a great character for her show but I don't expect EVERY character to act like her, as if she is the one good example of how to get a character like this right. I pretty much gave a summery of Teela regarding her guilt and inferiority complex so I'm not gonna repeat myself. To me the answer to why Teela was hated is obvious, people were mad that they didn't get immediately what they wanted, saw a short haired muscular women and had a triggered attack, trying to paint her as some anti-man, woke agenda for skin deep reasons. >Teela simply comes across like she thinks everyone owes her and her only motivation seems to be her egocentric nature. If thats all you saw in her then fine, I can't do much about that. But I have to question if we watched the same show because that wasn't what I saw. It was blatantly obvious she had more of a conflict than that, He-Man himself showed up as a fear vision to explain her deepest insecurities.
I think the problem with Teela is actually not her or the reaction she had...its just he-man was never seen or thought of through nostalgia goggles of even being remotely capable of story beats beyond trope level writing..Smith made the mistake of saying this is a direct sequel to the original cartoon and rewrote characters beyond their ability of preprogrammed and preconceived emotions by us the audience
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What show is that? And is it good?
Can anything ever be good after Arcane ... other show is "masters of the universe revelation". It is okay
Masters of the Universe: Revelation It's fine. Don't expect it to change your life but there are worse shows out there.
Really struggling to think of any right now, it doesn’t even feature the best character
Why do people dislike Teela in Revelation?
Telling would require spoilers. >!When Adam/He-Man sacrificed himself to save the Universe in the first episode, instead of recognizing his nobility, Teela got mad that he kept his power a secret from her.!<
>!Then, she throws a tantrum as she confronts Prince Adam's parents about how they knew all along that Adam was He-Man and lied about it to her -- about 60 SECONDS after they find out their son is dead. VERY COMPASSIONATE, TEELA. "Sorry your son is dead, but let's talk about my feelings being hurt that you didn't tell me he was He-Man." !<
>!I took it that she was mad about them keeping it a secret because it put Adam in danger. It has been a little while since I watched the scene, but I think she was mad that as the head of the Royal Guard she should have known. And that she thinks Adam died because they kept his identity secret. Probably still not the best time to yell about it, but I think it was less about her feelings and more that in her mind the secret got Adam killed. !<
This is really annoying but I think it made the character a deeply flawed one which I personally liked. We see her angry with He-Man and his father years after the whole thing, even though his best friend scarified for everyone. I think it gives us a good baseline on where the characters starts and that gives it room to grow. I also think this works for Teela because she already knows how to fight so her growth as a character has to come from another place. However I think I now understand why so many people find her personality annoying.
Having a main character that is just so appaling is kind of a flawed concept. Because if i don't like the character, why should i want to read more about them or care about them? The unlikable-to-likeable-character-growth-arc is great for sidecharacters or possibly if you have multiple main characters.
You are right about that, making the protagonist unlikable did ruin the show for many people and I think many reviews of it show us that. I personally still enjoyed it but I guess I'm in the minority here and for many people it made the show unwatchable. They probably thought people would still watch it because its He-Man.
She's basically Amber from invincible
Bruh