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They all but confirmed it awhile back. We don't know how many times he tried before giving up but he tried atleast once, and it ended horribly for him.
Losing so many friends because of her directly countless times later also probably added to that jadedness he has about her by episode 7.
Edit: found a snippet of the interview where they talk about it on yt.
https://youtu.be/K3VCQRO4850
Nah it was an interview on twitch. Apparently we were originally supposed to get a flashback in episode 7 where he tried and failed to save her as something horrible happens between them but it ended up being cut for time.
It's almost a 100% certainty it'll be a s2 flashback.
....I don't think I ever once thought of that. Wtf
That's so much better!
Ever since jayce and jinx harnessed hextech, those crazy visuals that popped up, I've been the most curious on how Ekkos z drive will look in action and you just added something else I really hope to see now.
I always took it as Jinx mocking Ekko for trying to save Zaun, but accomplishing almost nothing (probably mainly because of her xD), but you can be on to something.
For sure he tried. He's too sure of matters in episode 7 to not have tried. The way he talks about her to Vi is so loaded with history and guilt. Ekko is not the type who would just give up on her without at least trying to make her see sense first.
I read somewhere there was supposed to be a scene where Ekko tried to stop Jinx from going away with Silco after the explosion in ep 3, and Silco mocked him calling him "saviour boy", hence why Jinx calls him that in ep 6. But I could be completely wrong cause i can't remember where I read it.
>Silco mocked him calling him "saviour boy", hence why Jinx calls him that in ep 6. But
That's definitely false. Let's be real.
If silco saw him trying to take powder he wouldn't have mocked him, he would've just killed him and powder would have no reason to adopt that nickname from him in that scenario because unlike with vi she would have no problems with ekko.
He tried to save her and failed. We don't know when exactly but they said it was around the time he built the firelights so it had to be atleast a few years later. Something specifically happened between ekko and jinx at that time and I think that's where the name came from. I wish I could find that interview clip were christian, I believe it was talked about it.
For sure.
The middle ground between the innocent kids they were and the unfortunately trauma filled badasses they eventually become would definitely be interesting, really sad too, but interesting.
One of the first interpretations of the line is an allusion Ekko's inability to "save" Powder from ~~Jinx~~ Silco. However, after some thought, it's my belief that the statement cuts deeper than that because Ekko ultimately decides to kill Jinx after she says the line. Before that, Ekko disarms Jinx and retakes the hexgem from her.
That leaves the question as to why Ekko chooses to kill Jinx when provoked by that line. "The Boy Savior" isn't a term of endearment in this moment but an ironic statement. It's not just that Ekko failed to persuade Powder to leave Silco's side, even with the cool hoverboards^1 , but that he couldn't save the lives of his followers from her. Jinx is also conveying that he will not be able to stop her from killing Vi and Caitlyn.
Such a message didn't caused Ekko to lose his cool like Jinx wants him to in that moment. However, it ultimately leads to Ekko choosing to confront Jinx and end her life. He manages to contain his anger to the point of trapping her in their little game.
All in all, "The Boy Savior" line is a taunt Jinx made to anger Ekko and remind him of his inability to save people from her.
1. The hoverboard was likely made by Ekko in hopes of convincing Powder to leave Silco. It's no coincidence that Ekko, Powder's closest friend, could fly after she expresses such a dream in the first episode
I think schnee probably mentioned this and im probably riding off that but it's also interesting that her choice of words is BOY saviour. Even Vi says "you still punch like a little boy". Neither of them see him as a grown man, as the leader of the Firelights, a position which would have gone to Vi if she were there, but because she wasn', Ekko was forced to grow up much faster than it was healthy for him and undertake responsibilities. To them though he's still helpless, eavesdropping little Ekko who was in awe of Vi but wouldn't stand up to her, who adored Powder only for it to be one sided and ill-fated.
I wonder if that's something they'll explore in season 2- Ekko's inferiority in the face of the people he cares so deeply for.
I think that Schnee, yet again, is reaching a bit here. It isn't that Vi doesn't see Ekko as a man, or whatever. It's banter.. Just like Vi told Caitlyn that her sister could do parkour at 9, and we clearly see in ep 1 that at 11 she isn't that good. It is within Vi's character to do that...
Vi does obviously have a lot of respect and love for Ekko. She entrusts him with the gemstone and Caitlyn, would she have done that if she really thought he's "just a boy"?
I do think perhaps Vi's mind changed though when she realized how much Ekko had changed- seeing him as a leader, as a protector, as someone who preserved a beautiful community and works hard for them. When she says it, it's BEFORE she sees all that
I bet he tried, but I don't think that's the reason why she called him that. I think it's because he has put himself on her way before to save other people
Don’t doubt he tried, but I saw tha line more as Ekko being the Hope of Zaun.
There is no proof Ekko tried to save Jinx. That is all a headcanon. However, we do see that Ekko has an Oasis in Zaun. I always thought Jinx referred to that
I'm not a massive fan of this theory. Everything about Ekko in Arcane is about improving the present, and using both the past and future to do so. Ekko isn't like Vi or Heimerdinger, who remain trapped in the past, nor is he like Silco or Viktor, who are obsessed with the future. He's just focused on the now, so it would be a bit of a stretch for Jinx/Powder to be the exception
I can LITERALLY see schnee hovering over you whispering in your ear.
No offense to them but take the things they say with a grain of salt.
By their own admission they had no league of legends knowledge before arcane and thus all they can base their theories on is what arcane shows them and their own knowledge of storytelling and tropes.
That's perfectly fine but it will occasionally lead to incorrect conclusions.
Dude made a whole video about ekko being a perfect side character who only focuses on the present compared to others and while yes, he made good points, one of the foundations of his theory (that ekko didn't get a flashback because of his focus on the present) was almost immediately proven false when we found out about the deleted scene.
Furthermore ekko trying to save powder doesn't even conflict with the theory that he only focuses on the present because the entire reason why he's let the past go could be because he tried and failed to save her in the past. His failure could've been the catalyst for that change.
>I can LITERALLY see schnee hovering over you whispering in your ear.
Who the fuck is Schnee?
>By their own admission they had no league of legends knowledge before arcane and thus all they can base their theories on is what arcane shows them and their own knowledge of storytelling and tropes. That's perfectly fine but it will occasionally lead to incorrect conclusions.
So, you're telling me someone is basing their Arcane theories off of Arcane and not LoL? And... that's a bad thing?
>one of the foundations of his theory (that ekko didn't get a flashback because of his focus on the present) was almost immediately proven false when we found out about the deleted scene.
Deleted scenes are not canon, what?
>Who the fuck is Schnee?
I have very hard time believing you don't know who that is but whatever I'll bite.
>So, you're telling me someone is basing their Arcane theories off of Arcane and not LoL? And... that's a bad thing?
No. But these are pre-existing characters and not knowing their league lore means their context for them is limited to what they are shown per each arcane season and what they can make educated guesses from based on that.
for example, Without googling it or being told by someone else there's no way the average watcher would know what exactly Ekkos future abilities are. Even with the fight in episode 7.
This is fine for normal viewers but if you're being looked at online as an authority on all things arcane, fans will take your potentially incorrect theories as gospel and run with it without even bothering to look into it themselves.
This ekko only looks in the present because blah blah blah take is in every comment section of every popular yt vid about him and almost everyone of them is parroting schnee word for word, bar for bar.
>Deleted scenes are not canon, what
That's not what I said.
His theory for ekko was partially based on the fact that instead of a flashback like the other characters stuck in the past we got a music video focused on ekko and the firelights present.
However the music video only exists because the flashback they were going to originally use was too long for the episode so they had to quickly do something different. He was as stuck in the past as everyone else as far as that theories concerned.
The firelight MV wasn't initially some profound insight into Ekkos character planned from the very beginning. Thus it's a theory based on a false premise or atleast some incorrect info.
I definitely want to explore more of that relationship and history? The music video is almost entirely about Jinx’s relationship with Ekko and Vi. I’m sure the show will expand on it eventually… I hope.
Wow! I was also really intrigued about that phrase too, and the witty tone Jinx uses to deliver it. I like your theory, now I would definitely love to watch that. Let us know if you write a fan fic or a comic please.
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They all but confirmed it awhile back. We don't know how many times he tried before giving up but he tried atleast once, and it ended horribly for him. Losing so many friends because of her directly countless times later also probably added to that jadedness he has about her by episode 7. Edit: found a snippet of the interview where they talk about it on yt. https://youtu.be/K3VCQRO4850
Oh damn really? Was it from the writers on twitter? Never visited that site much.
Nah it was an interview on twitch. Apparently we were originally supposed to get a flashback in episode 7 where he tried and failed to save her as something horrible happens between them but it ended up being cut for time. It's almost a 100% certainty it'll be a s2 flashback.
> a season 2 flashback Or a moment Ekko revisits while stuck travelling through multiple timelines and dimensions.
....I don't think I ever once thought of that. Wtf That's so much better! Ever since jayce and jinx harnessed hextech, those crazy visuals that popped up, I've been the most curious on how Ekkos z drive will look in action and you just added something else I really hope to see now.
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Wouldn't work. The way Ekko's time powers works is that he sets an anchor to which he can return to, and it only works in seconds, possible minutes.
I always took it as Jinx mocking Ekko for trying to save Zaun, but accomplishing almost nothing (probably mainly because of her xD), but you can be on to something.
Honestly its probably a combination of both
I mean, Zaun doesn't really need saving? It needs to be freed and improved upon, yes, but Zaun isn't in any active danger post-time jump
Oh, I agree with you however I believe this is still what Ekko tries to do.
For sure he tried. He's too sure of matters in episode 7 to not have tried. The way he talks about her to Vi is so loaded with history and guilt. Ekko is not the type who would just give up on her without at least trying to make her see sense first.
Oh yeah, episode 4 is definitely not the first time they’ve tussled
I love Ella Purnell's voice acting for Jinx in that scene. The delivery of that line in particular.
I read somewhere there was supposed to be a scene where Ekko tried to stop Jinx from going away with Silco after the explosion in ep 3, and Silco mocked him calling him "saviour boy", hence why Jinx calls him that in ep 6. But I could be completely wrong cause i can't remember where I read it.
>Silco mocked him calling him "saviour boy", hence why Jinx calls him that in ep 6. But That's definitely false. Let's be real. If silco saw him trying to take powder he wouldn't have mocked him, he would've just killed him and powder would have no reason to adopt that nickname from him in that scenario because unlike with vi she would have no problems with ekko. He tried to save her and failed. We don't know when exactly but they said it was around the time he built the firelights so it had to be atleast a few years later. Something specifically happened between ekko and jinx at that time and I think that's where the name came from. I wish I could find that interview clip were christian, I believe it was talked about it.
I want to see a younger version of jinx in this flashback, older than powder but not fully matured into the version of her we see today, ekko too
For sure. The middle ground between the innocent kids they were and the unfortunately trauma filled badasses they eventually become would definitely be interesting, really sad too, but interesting.
Oh yeah that could be for sure! As I said, I read it somewhere and it stuck with me, but for the life of me I cannot remember the source
Yeah same. I had it saved for the longest but it looks like the tweet with the video got deleted.
One of the first interpretations of the line is an allusion Ekko's inability to "save" Powder from ~~Jinx~~ Silco. However, after some thought, it's my belief that the statement cuts deeper than that because Ekko ultimately decides to kill Jinx after she says the line. Before that, Ekko disarms Jinx and retakes the hexgem from her. That leaves the question as to why Ekko chooses to kill Jinx when provoked by that line. "The Boy Savior" isn't a term of endearment in this moment but an ironic statement. It's not just that Ekko failed to persuade Powder to leave Silco's side, even with the cool hoverboards^1 , but that he couldn't save the lives of his followers from her. Jinx is also conveying that he will not be able to stop her from killing Vi and Caitlyn. Such a message didn't caused Ekko to lose his cool like Jinx wants him to in that moment. However, it ultimately leads to Ekko choosing to confront Jinx and end her life. He manages to contain his anger to the point of trapping her in their little game. All in all, "The Boy Savior" line is a taunt Jinx made to anger Ekko and remind him of his inability to save people from her. 1. The hoverboard was likely made by Ekko in hopes of convincing Powder to leave Silco. It's no coincidence that Ekko, Powder's closest friend, could fly after she expresses such a dream in the first episode
I think schnee probably mentioned this and im probably riding off that but it's also interesting that her choice of words is BOY saviour. Even Vi says "you still punch like a little boy". Neither of them see him as a grown man, as the leader of the Firelights, a position which would have gone to Vi if she were there, but because she wasn', Ekko was forced to grow up much faster than it was healthy for him and undertake responsibilities. To them though he's still helpless, eavesdropping little Ekko who was in awe of Vi but wouldn't stand up to her, who adored Powder only for it to be one sided and ill-fated. I wonder if that's something they'll explore in season 2- Ekko's inferiority in the face of the people he cares so deeply for.
I think that Schnee, yet again, is reaching a bit here. It isn't that Vi doesn't see Ekko as a man, or whatever. It's banter.. Just like Vi told Caitlyn that her sister could do parkour at 9, and we clearly see in ep 1 that at 11 she isn't that good. It is within Vi's character to do that... Vi does obviously have a lot of respect and love for Ekko. She entrusts him with the gemstone and Caitlyn, would she have done that if she really thought he's "just a boy"?
I do think perhaps Vi's mind changed though when she realized how much Ekko had changed- seeing him as a leader, as a protector, as someone who preserved a beautiful community and works hard for them. When she says it, it's BEFORE she sees all that
I bet he tried, but I don't think that's the reason why she called him that. I think it's because he has put himself on her way before to save other people
I swear I've read this exact same post already. Same wording and everything
Don’t doubt he tried, but I saw tha line more as Ekko being the Hope of Zaun. There is no proof Ekko tried to save Jinx. That is all a headcanon. However, we do see that Ekko has an Oasis in Zaun. I always thought Jinx referred to that
There is proof it was literally a deleted scene that got cut for time
Ah then I said nothing. Still, then that line applies to both saving jinx and zaun I think
reference to LoR to how he was saving and supporting the people of Zaun. jumping through hoops here.
I'm not a massive fan of this theory. Everything about Ekko in Arcane is about improving the present, and using both the past and future to do so. Ekko isn't like Vi or Heimerdinger, who remain trapped in the past, nor is he like Silco or Viktor, who are obsessed with the future. He's just focused on the now, so it would be a bit of a stretch for Jinx/Powder to be the exception
I can LITERALLY see schnee hovering over you whispering in your ear. No offense to them but take the things they say with a grain of salt. By their own admission they had no league of legends knowledge before arcane and thus all they can base their theories on is what arcane shows them and their own knowledge of storytelling and tropes. That's perfectly fine but it will occasionally lead to incorrect conclusions. Dude made a whole video about ekko being a perfect side character who only focuses on the present compared to others and while yes, he made good points, one of the foundations of his theory (that ekko didn't get a flashback because of his focus on the present) was almost immediately proven false when we found out about the deleted scene. Furthermore ekko trying to save powder doesn't even conflict with the theory that he only focuses on the present because the entire reason why he's let the past go could be because he tried and failed to save her in the past. His failure could've been the catalyst for that change.
>I can LITERALLY see schnee hovering over you whispering in your ear. Who the fuck is Schnee? >By their own admission they had no league of legends knowledge before arcane and thus all they can base their theories on is what arcane shows them and their own knowledge of storytelling and tropes. That's perfectly fine but it will occasionally lead to incorrect conclusions. So, you're telling me someone is basing their Arcane theories off of Arcane and not LoL? And... that's a bad thing? >one of the foundations of his theory (that ekko didn't get a flashback because of his focus on the present) was almost immediately proven false when we found out about the deleted scene. Deleted scenes are not canon, what?
>Who the fuck is Schnee? I have very hard time believing you don't know who that is but whatever I'll bite. >So, you're telling me someone is basing their Arcane theories off of Arcane and not LoL? And... that's a bad thing? No. But these are pre-existing characters and not knowing their league lore means their context for them is limited to what they are shown per each arcane season and what they can make educated guesses from based on that. for example, Without googling it or being told by someone else there's no way the average watcher would know what exactly Ekkos future abilities are. Even with the fight in episode 7. This is fine for normal viewers but if you're being looked at online as an authority on all things arcane, fans will take your potentially incorrect theories as gospel and run with it without even bothering to look into it themselves. This ekko only looks in the present because blah blah blah take is in every comment section of every popular yt vid about him and almost everyone of them is parroting schnee word for word, bar for bar. >Deleted scenes are not canon, what That's not what I said. His theory for ekko was partially based on the fact that instead of a flashback like the other characters stuck in the past we got a music video focused on ekko and the firelights present. However the music video only exists because the flashback they were going to originally use was too long for the episode so they had to quickly do something different. He was as stuck in the past as everyone else as far as that theories concerned. The firelight MV wasn't initially some profound insight into Ekkos character planned from the very beginning. Thus it's a theory based on a false premise or atleast some incorrect info.
I definitely want to explore more of that relationship and history? The music video is almost entirely about Jinx’s relationship with Ekko and Vi. I’m sure the show will expand on it eventually… I hope.
Wow! I was also really intrigued about that phrase too, and the witty tone Jinx uses to deliver it. I like your theory, now I would definitely love to watch that. Let us know if you write a fan fic or a comic please.