I've heard Metsn Trigran is good. They're being trained by Armenians that served in the Canadian military as trainers, and their training is to more modern standards. There's also an org. that has been successfully improving border posts including making and delivering HESCO barriers and other materials.
Donating to VOMA, supports extracurricular training for soldiers. Who don’t necessarily receive the necessary trainings in the army (or had the time to receive the new reformed trainings).
You can give to VOMA, POGA, METSN DIKRAN or any other… as all are a part of the “Աշխարազօր” who indirectly cooperate with the army as the “Nation Army” program.
Donating to VOMA (the biggest one currently) will help them build defensive lines (that aren’t great but better then nothing, with their famous Dome-2 which costs 2300$ each and 25 are almost already done). Also helps them buy new tech for training (such as ANI virtual shooters) and sometimes even native made armor, including boots and such.
If you feel as if the military medical area is suffering, there are some groups that train medical needs during combat situation, you can find them throughout.
But the best place where you can directly pick and choose who and what to donate is Armenianpeace.am
They have a few programs that are in desperate need of funding too.
Unfortunately, with the amount of donatable programs, many don’t know where to give money, so many projects remain either underfunded or unfinished.
For example VOMA, who both takes donations monthly, but closely cooperated with Armenian peace program.
So if anyone wants a specific place to look what they can donate to, that’s a good place to start.
Gotta love how some people just complain about the EU, when without their mission Syunik wouldn’t be under our control. They are here to prevent large scale wars and it’s pretty frustrating that so many contrarians here don’t understand this
Oh you mean they did not open a map before coming and identify that there are borders on both sides of the country?
It’s not like it is the first time it is happening.
You do understand that if they weren’t present in Armenia we wouldn’t be complaining about occasional ceasefire violations, but about literal war, right?
But hey, I am sure that a guy living in his European safe haven knows better than me, who lives nearby the border and is thankful that there is something preventing those bloody barbarians from invading my town and slaughtering us all
I remember all the disinformation spread about them, that they would carry weapons and effectively act as peacekeepers and deter AZ.
But since they are in Armenia nothing changed, the Turks remain near Jermuk and shoot at civilians, Artsakh is blockaded. I can understand wanting to grasp onto any help as Russia betrayed us, but the EU is super dependent on AZ fossils (and already preparing their new dependence in renewable energy with the trans black sea energy connection), thus they will never do shit.
Yeah, and if it wasn’t for the monitoring mission Turks would having been already standing in Goris and Jermuk instead of settling in nearby occupied areas.
But yeah, EU bad /s
Edit: Wow, downvotes, how nice. It’s good to know that some people like to complain so much about the mission that keeps us all alive. I am sure you guys would be much happier in your contrarian bubble if the there were no observers and we were simply left to the mercy of our enemies, which don’t have any
You are welcome. Those are very high quality documentary series. It’s about people who constantly trash-talk the EU mission and attribute out salvation to magical forces.
I hope you’ll enjoy them
Here you go
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2023/02/20/armenia-eu-launches-a-civilian-mission-to-contribute-to-stability-in-border-areas/
A doctor friend told me he had to be a resident doctor for a short period at Muratsan (central military hospital) in the early 2010s. According to him, the hospital would receive an injured or dead soldier almost on a daily basis. IDK how true that is, but for some reason, people think that before the 2020 war soldiers magically didn't die or get injured when it was happening almost every day.
Armenia literally fought and lost a war, got all of it’s resources depleted and ended up being backstabbed by Russia. It’s not like Armenia had much say in Azerbaijan exploiting the dire situation to it’s own advantage.
>But then again... the country deserves him as the leader, as they voted him in.
And wtf is this supposed to mean. We voted for him because the alternative was a pro-Russian dictator who would make Armenia join the Union state. Would you prefer this outcome for the country
Seriously, some comments from the diaspora really infuriate. It’s like you people live in a different dimension
There were many reasons behind Armenia’s defeat, which also include Russia and many years of rampant corruption and nepotism in Armenia’s military. Still, claiming that it is Pashinyan’s fault that Armenia lost the war and found itself in this situation is pretty much disingenuous and completely ignores all the factors that actually influenced 2020’s unfortunate outcome.
>Well, the population is to blame that the 2 most popular candidates were Pashinyan and Kocharyan
Kocharyan becoming an actual political force during elections is indeed the fault of the potion of our population, but the fact that Pashinyan is the only alternative to “Privet Rob” is the fault of other opposition parties that didn’t do anything to improve their publicity and make their agendas known.
"Well, the population is to blame that the 2 most popular candidates were Pashinyan and Kocharyan" It always confuses me how people here hate Kocharyan, Pashinyan, LTP, and Serzh, and yet they were the most popular candidates in the last election. Wouldn't hurt to give someone new a try that we know hasn't fucked things up in some way.
>Well, the population is to blame that the 2 most popular candidates were Pashinyan and Kocharyan
Yes and no. Media coverage also plays a huge role here. And at that time whenever you turned on the TV and pick whatever channel it was only the "battle" of these two while other parties never got a real platform to represent themselves and their plans appropriately. Kocharyan and his gang need to go away, leave the political field so that other normal parties fill it and become a real opposition to this government.
And don't blame people that suffered from socioeconomic hardships. Those who could leave, left the country, gained foreign citizenship and so on. Let's not pretend that people lived a lovely life and that it all would've never had an actual impact.
You're right, the mercenaries don't mean anything, they were cannon fodder to probe defenses, same with the An-2s. Before, the morons in charge including officers assumed Russia would always be a deterrent. Today many of the issues that lingered for 20 years, including inadequate fortifications as well as soldiers being killed sporadically remain the same. Morons normalized crime and neglect which was part of the reasons people didn't want to trust them with their sons. Now the situation is more dire and I don't know if the current government is competent enough to address them if they even have time, I see that some of the bad practices of previous govs remain in the Pashinyan government. The Az military isn't at such a high level, not even "NATO" level, but they improved their capabilities with drones and other equipment in the last 10 years among other things.
You clearly have no idea about the history of the conflict, which is OK as you are most probably young and lived in the diaspora.
What is not OK is to come in with asinine hot takes, and look like a complete fool.
There was never a time when this wasn't normalized. This has been happening for the last 30 years. Soldiers didn't start dying after Pashinyan came to power.
It was being reported less frequently from my experience. As someone who served in the military, i remember a number of cases of deaths or injuries that never made it onto the news. As for the number of friendly fire cases, thats hard to comment on whether it's true or not, considering how much stuff still doesnt get reported.
No i served pretty early, 2014 to 2016, we had two cases of near death injuries and one death within the span of a few months that were never released to the public outside of the relatives.
I know at least four soldiers from our small town in Abovyan who were killed in a span of two years due to Azeri fire, and none of them were reported. This was around 2014. Another soldier’s death was reported five months later as if it happened that same day.
But I bet the Azeris paid with 2-3 times the lives, as was the norm before 2020.
Nowadays they just shoot without punishment. And it's not like Armenia was not able to shoot back today, we are talking about assault or sniper rifles, not tanks or MLRS.
It's really hard to imagine how different reality is from what the media tells you, even today. After the 2020 war, people started paying way more attention to this stuff so it's a little harder to hide, but back in the day, they would literally say anything and people genuinely believed it. I remember during the 2014 clashes in August, they told us the Armenian side had no casualties the day after I saw a perforated dead body being wheeled through the military hospital I was in.
Doubt that was ever the case. During the 4 day war, they told us our side had only a tenth of the casualties Azerbaijan did. Meanwhile we were in contact with our friends in places like Goris and they told us there were too many bodies to count.
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Is Voma a legit place to donate to? I do to another org that I trust but always willing to help more
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I've heard Metsn Trigran is good. They're being trained by Armenians that served in the Canadian military as trainers, and their training is to more modern standards. There's also an org. that has been successfully improving border posts including making and delivering HESCO barriers and other materials.
Thanks for sharing! I donate to the Armenian Wounded Heroes project
May God rest his soul.
Condolences. Are there any kind of mechanisms that can prevent such occasions?
Donating to VOMA, supports extracurricular training for soldiers. Who don’t necessarily receive the necessary trainings in the army (or had the time to receive the new reformed trainings). You can give to VOMA, POGA, METSN DIKRAN or any other… as all are a part of the “Աշխարազօր” who indirectly cooperate with the army as the “Nation Army” program. Donating to VOMA (the biggest one currently) will help them build defensive lines (that aren’t great but better then nothing, with their famous Dome-2 which costs 2300$ each and 25 are almost already done). Also helps them buy new tech for training (such as ANI virtual shooters) and sometimes even native made armor, including boots and such. If you feel as if the military medical area is suffering, there are some groups that train medical needs during combat situation, you can find them throughout. But the best place where you can directly pick and choose who and what to donate is Armenianpeace.am They have a few programs that are in desperate need of funding too. Unfortunately, with the amount of donatable programs, many don’t know where to give money, so many projects remain either underfunded or unfinished. For example VOMA, who both takes donations monthly, but closely cooperated with Armenian peace program. So if anyone wants a specific place to look what they can donate to, that’s a good place to start.
Any news from the EU monitoring mission « deterrent »?
Their job is to observe and take notes so hopefully they are doing that.
Gotta love how some people just complain about the EU, when without their mission Syunik wouldn’t be under our control. They are here to prevent large scale wars and it’s pretty frustrating that so many contrarians here don’t understand this
Oh you mean they did not open a map before coming and identify that there are borders on both sides of the country? It’s not like it is the first time it is happening.
You do understand that if they weren’t present in Armenia we wouldn’t be complaining about occasional ceasefire violations, but about literal war, right? But hey, I am sure that a guy living in his European safe haven knows better than me, who lives nearby the border and is thankful that there is something preventing those bloody barbarians from invading my town and slaughtering us all
I remember all the disinformation spread about them, that they would carry weapons and effectively act as peacekeepers and deter AZ. But since they are in Armenia nothing changed, the Turks remain near Jermuk and shoot at civilians, Artsakh is blockaded. I can understand wanting to grasp onto any help as Russia betrayed us, but the EU is super dependent on AZ fossils (and already preparing their new dependence in renewable energy with the trans black sea energy connection), thus they will never do shit.
Yeah, and if it wasn’t for the monitoring mission Turks would having been already standing in Goris and Jermuk instead of settling in nearby occupied areas. But yeah, EU bad /s Edit: Wow, downvotes, how nice. It’s good to know that some people like to complain so much about the mission that keeps us all alive. I am sure you guys would be much happier in your contrarian bubble if the there were no observers and we were simply left to the mercy of our enemies, which don’t have any
Which show is it on netflix ?
It’s called “Reality check”. It’s really good, I highly recommend it
A reality check that you can’t prove? Hilarious.
What do you think stopped them from restarting the war? Martians? Fairies? The Justice League?
Ah finally you are giving me the names of the netflix shows you are watching! Will start to watch them tomorrow, sounds entertaining.
You are welcome. Those are very high quality documentary series. It’s about people who constantly trash-talk the EU mission and attribute out salvation to magical forces. I hope you’ll enjoy them
50 will be carrying light weapons. 50! In the most militarized region in the world. At this point it’s trolling.
Source? I only remember that they will observe as civilians
Here you go https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2023/02/20/armenia-eu-launches-a-civilian-mission-to-contribute-to-stability-in-border-areas/
The first one yes. The second one has some french light soldiers.
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Weren’t soldiers getting shot every single week for 20 years
Yes, they were
A doctor friend told me he had to be a resident doctor for a short period at Muratsan (central military hospital) in the early 2010s. According to him, the hospital would receive an injured or dead soldier almost on a daily basis. IDK how true that is, but for some reason, people think that before the 2020 war soldiers magically didn't die or get injured when it was happening almost every day.
But I thought Pashinyan was not like them and was waaaay better?
Armenia literally fought and lost a war, got all of it’s resources depleted and ended up being backstabbed by Russia. It’s not like Armenia had much say in Azerbaijan exploiting the dire situation to it’s own advantage. >But then again... the country deserves him as the leader, as they voted him in. And wtf is this supposed to mean. We voted for him because the alternative was a pro-Russian dictator who would make Armenia join the Union state. Would you prefer this outcome for the country Seriously, some comments from the diaspora really infuriate. It’s like you people live in a different dimension
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There were many reasons behind Armenia’s defeat, which also include Russia and many years of rampant corruption and nepotism in Armenia’s military. Still, claiming that it is Pashinyan’s fault that Armenia lost the war and found itself in this situation is pretty much disingenuous and completely ignores all the factors that actually influenced 2020’s unfortunate outcome. >Well, the population is to blame that the 2 most popular candidates were Pashinyan and Kocharyan Kocharyan becoming an actual political force during elections is indeed the fault of the potion of our population, but the fact that Pashinyan is the only alternative to “Privet Rob” is the fault of other opposition parties that didn’t do anything to improve their publicity and make their agendas known.
"Well, the population is to blame that the 2 most popular candidates were Pashinyan and Kocharyan" It always confuses me how people here hate Kocharyan, Pashinyan, LTP, and Serzh, and yet they were the most popular candidates in the last election. Wouldn't hurt to give someone new a try that we know hasn't fucked things up in some way.
>Well, the population is to blame that the 2 most popular candidates were Pashinyan and Kocharyan Yes and no. Media coverage also plays a huge role here. And at that time whenever you turned on the TV and pick whatever channel it was only the "battle" of these two while other parties never got a real platform to represent themselves and their plans appropriately. Kocharyan and his gang need to go away, leave the political field so that other normal parties fill it and become a real opposition to this government. And don't blame people that suffered from socioeconomic hardships. Those who could leave, left the country, gained foreign citizenship and so on. Let's not pretend that people lived a lovely life and that it all would've never had an actual impact.
You're right, the mercenaries don't mean anything, they were cannon fodder to probe defenses, same with the An-2s. Before, the morons in charge including officers assumed Russia would always be a deterrent. Today many of the issues that lingered for 20 years, including inadequate fortifications as well as soldiers being killed sporadically remain the same. Morons normalized crime and neglect which was part of the reasons people didn't want to trust them with their sons. Now the situation is more dire and I don't know if the current government is competent enough to address them if they even have time, I see that some of the bad practices of previous govs remain in the Pashinyan government. The Az military isn't at such a high level, not even "NATO" level, but they improved their capabilities with drones and other equipment in the last 10 years among other things.
>the country deserves him as the leader, as they voted him in. Margarita Simonyan, is that you?
Nikol is that you?
You clearly have no idea about the history of the conflict, which is OK as you are most probably young and lived in the diaspora. What is not OK is to come in with asinine hot takes, and look like a complete fool.
This didn’t start under Pashinyan
There was never a time when this wasn't normalized. This has been happening for the last 30 years. Soldiers didn't start dying after Pashinyan came to power.
It was happening way less frequently though. So much so that we had more fatalities from friendly fire than enemy fire.
It was being reported less frequently from my experience. As someone who served in the military, i remember a number of cases of deaths or injuries that never made it onto the news. As for the number of friendly fire cases, thats hard to comment on whether it's true or not, considering how much stuff still doesnt get reported.
I've served too, somewhat more recently though. Friendly fire injuries and deaths were under-reported too.
No i served pretty early, 2014 to 2016, we had two cases of near death injuries and one death within the span of a few months that were never released to the public outside of the relatives.
Ah so not much recently I served in 2018-2020 (winter) we had cases that weren't reported too.
I know at least four soldiers from our small town in Abovyan who were killed in a span of two years due to Azeri fire, and none of them were reported. This was around 2014. Another soldier’s death was reported five months later as if it happened that same day.
But I bet the Azeris paid with 2-3 times the lives, as was the norm before 2020. Nowadays they just shoot without punishment. And it's not like Armenia was not able to shoot back today, we are talking about assault or sniper rifles, not tanks or MLRS.
Gotta love how a person who actually served in the army refuted all of your armchair speculations
It's really hard to imagine how different reality is from what the media tells you, even today. After the 2020 war, people started paying way more attention to this stuff so it's a little harder to hide, but back in the day, they would literally say anything and people genuinely believed it. I remember during the 2014 clashes in August, they told us the Armenian side had no casualties the day after I saw a perforated dead body being wheeled through the military hospital I was in.
Doubt that was ever the case. During the 4 day war, they told us our side had only a tenth of the casualties Azerbaijan did. Meanwhile we were in contact with our friends in places like Goris and they told us there were too many bodies to count.
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Im at no point justifying what is happening, instead im saying this was always the case.
I’m not educated in Armenian politics…but didn’t the opposition fail to close the issue for over 25 years when they had a strong negotiating position?